REPORT: ‘The Next Few Months’ On Iraq That Never End
REPORT: ‘The Next Few Months’ On Iraq That Never End
The Bush administration and its supporters have pledged to Americans time and again during the past four years that the “next few months” in Iraq will be the “decisive, critical period” of the war.
The implication has always been that U.S. forces just need to hold on a little while longer for things to get better. Using an interactive timeline tool, the Center for American Progress has catalogued the broken record of false claims we’ve been hearing. Some examples:
TOM FRIEDMAN: It might be over in a week, it might be over in a month, it might be over in six months, but what’s the rush? Can we let this play out, please?” [NPR, 6/3/04]
DICK CHENEY: I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency. [Larry King Live, 5/30/05]
JOE LIEBERMAN (I-CT): By the end of this year, we will begin to draw down significant numbers of American troops. [Washington Post, 7/7/06]
JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): If you talk to most military experts, we’re in a critical and crucial time. We’re either going to lose this thing or win this thing within the next several months.” [Meet The Press, 11/12/06]
ZALMAY KHALILZAD: Iraq Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki “has a window of a couple months. … If the perception is that this unity government is not able to deal with this issue, then a big opportunity would have been lost.” [Washington Post, 9/30/06]
Four years later, Iraq is still plagued with violence and political instability. Since the beginning of the invasion, 3,679 U.S. soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have died. “August has begun with a wave of U.S. troop deaths,” and Iraq’s unity government remains in disarray.
The United States has no good options given the strategic and tactical mistakes made in Iraq since 2002, but simply staying the course with an indefinite military presence is not advancing U.S. interests.
For a progressive strategy on the way forward in Iraq, read “Strategic Reset,” the Center for American Progress’s plan for reclaiming control of U.S. security in the Middle East.
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I am expecting in October the slight bump in Bush’s popularity will sink quicker then the titanic, when it becomes obvious that the “wait until September” crowd are still afflicted with head in the ass syndrome.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“A Friedman, a Friedman, there’s going to be a Friedman - and then we’ll have the Oral S*x”
August 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWhy on earth do citizens not get outraged by all this? I mean, what exactly has the Bush administration done RIGHT - besides ruining the country and increasing the wealth of a few friends? Why are there not streets full of protesters demanding answers and performance? It boggles the mind to think we still take the abuse 6 yrs later. We are such pansies.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmFriedman/Freidman?
August 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmStalling tactics that never end for the Iraq nightmare of US occupation
get out you are the problem
August 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pmGeez, these clowns have perfected the rolling Friedman.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pmTom - your right more protests needed
the more protests and the bigger the better outlook for America
August 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Tom — August 8, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Well the Freidman is a carefully calibrated number: about as long as a season of Desperate Housewives, or 24 or American Idol. Americans aren’t smart enough to see that each season is really just like the one before….. ‘it’s ALL NEW!’ and they believe it
August 8th, 2007 at 1:33 pm#3 Comment by Tom — August 8, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Yes!! Where is the outrage?
I guess it’s hard to maintain after 6 years of slow bleed. Slow bleed on troop deaths, slow bleed on stolen liberties, slow bleed on scandals…
August 8th, 2007 at 1:35 pmMaybe we should start counting the months in dead Americans.
1 months = Approx 75 Dead Americans.
So the real question is how many more dead Americans should we wait?
August 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“Well the Freidman is a carefully calibrated number: about as long as a season of Desperate Housewives, or 24 or American Idol. Americans aren’t smart enough to see that each season is really just like the one before….. ‘it’s ALL NEW!’ and they believe it
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — August 8, 2007 @ 1:33 pm”
Absolutely. Americans are to easy to distract.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI’ve seen this movie before. It sucked in Vietnam, now the Apocalypse Redux remake is worse than the original. In Vietnam, Westmoreland always wanted more troops, more time, and more time, more troops. It is being repeated in Iraq…just like Vietnam. “scuse me while I leave the theater before the end of the film.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:38 pmI can see it now:
August 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pmBush: “I meant September of 2008.”
Same tactic used by the tobacco industry.
Same tactic used by global warming deniers.
Same tactic used by pathological liars.
Same tactic used by cults.
Same tactic used for mind control.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pmGood timeline. Yes, this is Vietnam all over again. Difference? The enemy knew that we lost Vietnam, and why, and the Republicans didn’t.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:42 pmTom Friedman is the major pundit culprit here. Why anyone listens to him (or has ever listened to him) boggles the mind.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmscuse me while I leave the theater before the end of the film.
Comment by Uncle Ho
don’t let the door hit you on the way out
August 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“scuse me while I leave the theater before the end of the film.
Comment by Uncle Ho
Okay, you skanky Ho.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmInterview with Iraqi translator:
MJT: What will happen if the Americans leave next year?
Hammer: Rivers of blood everywhere. Syria and Iran will take pieces of Iraq. Anti-American governments will laugh. You will be a joke of a country that no one will take seriously.
I will kill myself if it happens. I am completely serious. The militias will hunt down and kill me and my family. I will beat them to it by killing myself.
I worked for the U.S. government for four years. Everyone who works as an interpreter for four years and gets a signature from a General or a Senator gets a Green Card. My hope is to get this somehow. I will do anything for this.
I am doing this for my son. Everything for my son. I don’t want my son living here getting into religion and militias and Al Qaeda. I want my son to be free, to have a girlfriend, to get married, and to be a good citizen.
http://www.michaeltotten.com/
August 8th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWho knows, the Shadow knows: That this thing will be over in the next couple of months! No, I mean the next 6 months. What I really meant to say was, this will be over in the next year. I’ve never said this would be over quickly. This will be over in the next 10 years. It will probably take 20 years to win in Iraq. If we obtain victory in Iraq in 40 years, it will be worth it. Why are we in such a hurry in win the war? Who needs to win a war when you can just fight forever?
The above quotes will come from the usual suspects at some point in the next 50 years. I can see Sen. Liebermann saying things like this as he kisses more Republican butt.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThe Bush administration and its supporters have pledged to Americans time and again during the past four years that the “next few months†in Iraq will be the “decisive, critical period†of the war.
Well, once they get the #2 bad guy, then it will truly be only a few months.
How many #2’s are there, anyway?
August 8th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhen will the dems defund and get us out like they said they would?
August 8th, 2007 at 1:51 pm“#19 Comment by Ringo — August 8, 2007 @ 1:46 pm”
Yes, it’s quite a mess you guys have created.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pmMy favorite is from Caldwell - June 2006 - “We have a window of five months……maybe seven. ”
No “six months” for him.
I just realized something. From the start of this war till now there are chirldren who were born and are getting ready for their first day of school.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI’ll leave the debate on the rationale for invading to someone else. Right now I want serious discussions on the dollar amount spent and how this administration intends to pay for it. 5 years of supplementals from the party of fiscal responsibility. The time is now for any politician to bring this to the forefront.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pmhelina
August 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI don’t want my son living here getting into religion and militias and Al Qaeda. I want my son to be free, to have a girlfriend, to get married, and to be a good citizen.
Comment by Ringo’s Bingo — August 8, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
An Iraqi, who believes in Islam and follows the Quran, doesn’t want his son to “get into religion”, but wants him to “have a girlfriend”?
Sorry, I gotta call BS on this one! Sounds more like something a doctor from Malibu Beach would say!
August 8th, 2007 at 1:54 pmhelina, ~
August 8th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThey’re just going to leave the massive debt they’ve piled up for the next administration, knowing it’s going to be a democratic majority for the next decade or so. That’ll be just about enough time to undo the fiscal, moral and political damage done to the nation and the world.
Yes, it’s quite a mess you guys have created.
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
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We didn’t create it… Allah, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis did.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:56 pmBeing a conservative means never having to admit you’re wrong.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:57 pmRight now I want serious discussions on the dollar amount spent and how this administration intends to pay for it.
umm….
You’re a lib.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmBeing a conservative means never having to admit you’re wrong.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 8, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
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Why admit you’re wrong, when y’ ain’t?!?!
Only libs to that!!!
August 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWhere is the thread about Bush’s polls going up?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ gallup/ 2007/ 08/ a-hint-of-more-.html
Every time they go down you people start a thread or two. Pelosi’s congress does not seem to be doing as well. ROTFL.
Hmmm. At least you don’t talk about Paris Hilton anymore.
August 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmYO Ringo,
So how will this not happen? It’s either next fall, or next summer, or five or ten years, but you republicans have so completly screwed up every aspect of your occupation that there will never be a viable, resonable democracy in Iraq where your masked american wannabe will be safe. The longer we stay the more american lives will be lost and ruined, the more american families will be destroyed by death and dismemberment, and ptsd, and the more Iraqis will be klled, and terrorists spawned and trained, and armed, and the more hatred there will be for our country. You people just want to run out the clock, get a democrat in the Whitehouse who you can blame for your screw ups.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pmBeing a conservative means never having to admit you’re wrong.
Comment by VerbalKint
…by claiming “God” is on your side, and in your ‘heart’…
How CHRISTIAN of them .
August 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pmRingo,
So you’re okay with Iraqi’s coming here? So you’re okay with Mexicans coming here too?
You know those Mexican parents want their children to have a nicer life too.
I really fad bad for the Iraqi’s perhaps it wouldn’t be such a mess if most the GOP supporters weren’t chickenhawks. But then again once the Iraqi people figured we were their for their oil, and not WMD or Saddam they started getting a little pissed.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThey don’t call it endless war for no reason!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:01 pmWhy admit you’re wrong, when y’ ain’t?!?!
Only libs to that!!!
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We didn’t create it… Allah, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis did.
Comment by Gregory of Nasalpuss — August 8, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Well Allah is a name for God.
And I don’t recall Saddamn or the Iraqis inviting us into their country, so I guess that would make you wrong.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:01 pm# 3. The reason citizens dont get outraged by this is simple. More people get their “news” from Faux Noise than any other television outlet. Rush Limbaugh is heard by more than 20 million people a day on over 600 radio stations. Bill O’Lielly is the most popular person on TV and 7 million people a day listen to Michael Savage’s “Savage World”. The educated among us get this news and become enraged. The majority of us watch Faux. No wonder they aren’t enraged. They are probably still getting nonstop coverage of Anna Nicole Smith’s funeral.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWell Allah is a name for God.
Not the True GOD!!!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“Where ever ExxonMobil goes, the US Military will be there”
Why can’t they just admit it? Chickenhawk/Neocon/GOPers love the idea of killing for stealing oil, so they’d still support it??
August 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pmHmmm. At least you don’t talk about Paris Hilton anymore.
Comment by Happy Dude— August 8, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
so sayeth the dude who links to a story about Barry Bonds.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pmBushco is going to keep spending as much time, treasure and lives as it takes until those Iraqis settle down and realize we’re not leaving without their oil. Or maybe they’ll all kill each other with the weapons we’re giving both sides. If Iraq comes apart and Iran takes over the part with most of the oil, we’ll fix their wagon too. It’s our oil until someone can make us say it’s not, and Bushie is stayin’ the course (from his air-conditioned “ranch” in Texas).
August 8th, 2007 at 2:04 pmYes, it’s quite a mess you guys have created.
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
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We didn’t create it… Allah, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis did.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
They created a comparatively small mess, that wasn’t our problem. We made it our problem and then made it a much, MUCH bigger mess. And now our illustrious leaders don’t know how to get us out. Great! Thanks alot for that!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:04 pmHappy Guy,
Pretty pathetic that you’re happy about a 34% approval rating, but then again 34 was the year you lost your virginity, okay so it was with your mom. And the only reason that rating has gone up is the media’s silence on Iraq, the deaths, the walkout of the Sunni’s and what it means for their already troubled demokkkracy.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBecause of the military success now coming out of Iraq, Bush’s approval has gotten a bump up, and the Dems have gotten a bump down to 14%.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmre #33
bush’s poll numbers start to go up, just as he goes on vacation… what could that possibly mean…could it be that he does a better job when he isn’t doing anything?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmNot the True GOD!!!
Comment by Gregory of NAZIanzus
You mean the one in my toilet every morning?
I love that guy.
I call him, “Baby-doo-doo-Jezus.”
August 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmAn Iraqi, who believes in Islam and follows the Quran, doesn’t want his son to “get into religionâ€, but wants him to “have a girlfriendâ€?
Sorry, I gotta call BS on this one!…
Comment by DRxJ
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Of course you do, it doesn’t fit your racist stereotype of an Arab.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmNot the True GOD!!!
Comment by Gregory of NICEanus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
ummmm, you do know Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God, dontcha?
GEd is not always a bad thing, m’ boy!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhere is the thread about Bush’s polls going up?
Comment by Happy Guy — August 8, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Go ahead, celebrate 34%. Open a bottle of champagne.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmChickenhawk/Neocon/GOPers
Comment by Not Canadian
56% of the military are Republican. Only 12% are Dem.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:06 pmNot the True GOD!!!
Comment by Gregory of NAZIanzus
Until I saw the signature I thought Mr Pee was morphing into Daryll>?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pmOf course you do, it doesn’t fit your racist stereotype of an Arab.
Comment by Ringo’s Tinkles — August 8, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
ummm, an Iraqi is an Arab?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pmGo ahead, celebrate 34%. Open a bottle of champagne.
Comment by VerbalKint
I doubt you will be popping any corks for the Dems approval of 14%.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pmringo,
August 8th, 2007 at 2:07 pmever the optimist….
“After all, a job approval rating of 34% only looks good when it is compared to a declining job approval rating of 29%. And having 31% of Americans saying that the surge is making things better in Iraq is still far from a majority. “
bush’s poll numbers start to go up, just as he goes on vacation… what could that possibly mean…could it be that he does a better job when he isn’t doing anything?
Comment by bobwurst
No, it means his numbers are going up with the positive news about Iraq.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:08 pm“After all, a job approval rating of 34% only looks good when it is compared to a declining job approval rating of 29%.
Comment by dim wit
It looks really good compared to a 14% approval rating of the Dems. The dems only have a 3% approval rating on Iraq.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:09 pmRingo’s Tinkles,
August 8th, 2007 at 2:10 pmYou do know Christians can be Arabs too, dontcha?
No, it means his numbers are going up with the positive news about Iraq.
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
What specifically is this “positive news”?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:10 pm56% of the military are Republican. Only 12% are Dem.
More outright lies from the wingnuts. Besides, when Bushco gets done with the military, the survivors won’t want anything to do with the Republican party.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:11 pmTruthiness,
“So you’re okay with Iraqi’s coming here? So you’re okay with Mexicans coming here too?”
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I’m okay with this Iraqi coming here.
I’m all for legal immigration.
My wife is an immigrant. I helped her family immigrate here as well…five of them.
I’ve also helped my Mexican house keeper get here greencard and eventually become an American citizen. She’s a good woman and will make a fine American…..better than most of the people who post here.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:11 pmNo, it means his numbers are going up with the positive news about Iraq.
Comment by Len
True, higher ratings, even based on lies and the troops blood, are all that matters to the bush crime family.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:11 pmummm, an Iraqi is an Arab?
Comment by DRxJ
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Yes.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmWhat specifically is this “positive news�
Comment by LibStl
Read the NYT op/ed all about it, kiddo. Two libs from Brookings giving the surge positive marks.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmIt looks really good compared to a 14% approval rating of the Dems
Comment by Lentles — August 8, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Please provide a link that supports this ridiculous comment. Please provide the study that shows a 14% approval rating for just the dems, not both parties in Congress.
Also, provide papers that you’re a college graduate.
(me thinks all 3 will go unprovided)
August 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmre #58
which good news from Iraq? That the coalition government is now devoid of Sunnis? that the death toll of American servicemen is now on the upswing, again? that all the quality of life indicators for Iraqis are all down? Maybe you’re referring to Haliburton’s quarterly report, that must be the “good news” from Iraq that you’re so impressed with.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmRingo’s Tinkles,
You do know Christians can be Arabs too, dontcha?
Comment by DRxJ
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Yes.
My neighbor is an Assyrian Christian.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:13 pmLen,
You’re a liar…
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=28324
Bush = 34
Dems in Congress = 37
GOP in congress = 29
You must be so proud to be the biggest loser of losers!
Much like when you brought home D’s on your report cards and your parents celebrated.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:15 pmre #58
which good news from Iraq?
Comment by bobwurst
I’m referencing mostly the NYT op/ed from the guys from Brookings outlining the successes in Iraq.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pmCynicon; F*ck you!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pmRead the NYT op/ed all about it, kiddo. Two libs from Brookings giving the surge positive marks.
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
The “two libs” you refer to have been proponents of this disaster from the beginning, so they are hardly credible, kiddo. The latest news I saw coming out of Iraq is that 4 more servicemembers have been killed, the Sunnis have completely pulled out of the government, and 19 American servicemembers have already died since the beginning of August. Again, what is this “positive news”?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmYou do know Christians can be Arabs too, dontcha?
I thought everyone knew that. You seem to have just found out.
Study up, libs, before you ask more ignorant questions.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“56% of the military are Republican. Only 12% are Dem.”
Assuming that this is true, which I doubt, explain the following link”
http://www.atimes.com/ atimes/ Middle_East/ HC02Ak01.html
August 8th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’d like to see any evidence that the “two libs” have written anything critical of this administration.
People say they have been but I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest so. I could use this same logic and say since ringo hasn’t written anything positive about Bush he must be critical of him.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmRead the NYT op/ed all about it, kiddo. Two libs from Brookings giving the surge positive marks.
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
HAHA two NEOCONS, who never left the GreenZone..
Tell me do you believe in virgin births too?
HAHAHA YOU stupid ass GOP’ers are soooo easy to fool.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWe didn’t create it… Allah, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis did.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus
Sadly, ~29% of people still believe this crap. It must help them get through the days when their ‘dear leader’ is having a bad time. If you truly believe this - and you are not a troll - then you are as unpatriotic as any traitor ever was. Your devotion to the imbecile in OUR WH makes me sick. I only hope you were kidding - but I don’t think so.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmtest
August 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmComment by hellinabucket — August 8, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Agreed. How can anyone justify calling those two “liberals?”
August 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmGreat Job, Trolls.
KKKarl will be pleased.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pm————
(Len, your “test” came through)
HAHA two NEOCONS, who never left the GreenZone..
Comment by Truthiness
Brookings is a liberal thinktank, not in the habit of employing “neocons.”
August 8th, 2007 at 2:25 pmre # 63
We’ve learned some important things about Ringo today:
1-He hired an illegal alien to be his housecleaner then helped her get a greencard.
2-He is an elitist who likes having servants he can yell at.
3-He has a mail order bride.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI’d like to see any evidence that the “two libs†have written anything critical of this administration.
Comment by hellinabucket
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR all labeled them as harsh critics of the war.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmYour devotion to the imbecile in OUR WH makes me sick. I only hope you were kidding - but I don’t think so.
Comment by Tom
You must be a 14%er, one of the last few who approve of the Democrat congress.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmre # 84
links lenny, links, or lies, your choice.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmCNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR all labeled them as harsh critics of the war.
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Oh gosh! So sorry. That must mean it’s true then.
/sarcasm off
August 8th, 2007 at 2:28 pmComment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Thanks, man. I thought I got banned.
Did you see Frank J got one of his posts here in the NY Daily News?
KKKarl is getting his money’s worth!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:29 pmComment by bobwurst — August 8, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
4-Ringo is an American Patriot, and he should be Proud!!!
unlike you dem/libs… you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pmTruthiness and Not Canadian…best laughs of the day!!!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pmDid you see Frank J got one of his posts here in the NY Daily News?
KKKarl is getting his money’s worth!
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
No, I didn’t.
Which one?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWe didn’t create it… Allah, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis did.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus
I think you left out Ronnie and Donnie, the siamieses in the circus when I was about five.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmNot the True GOD!!!
Comment by Gregory of NAZIanzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
The are all creations of the human social groups. How can any be better then any other?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:32 pmNo, I didn’t.
Which one?
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/ blogs/ dailypolitics/ 2007/ 08/ spitzer_humbled_some_dont_buy.html
August 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmsiamieses in the circus
That’s racism… you’re a racist.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Thanks, I’m going to read it now!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“4-Ringo is an American Patriot, and he should be Proud!!!
unlike you dem/libs… you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus”
Ringo should be proud he employed an illegal alien, or that he bought a wife from a third world country? help me out here. And since you’re going to bring up the subject of patriotism, greg, why aren’t you over in Iraq fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here? You’re just another republican coward, like your boss Karl, and your AWOL leader shrub.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmJust give us forever … we will get it right! No plans? Sure we got plans. We are going to do stuff. Until it works! What stuff? Well… I guess send in the troops! They signed up for it after all.. ya thats it send in the troops! … You already sent in the troops like 12 times… Well we did say give us forever…
August 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmCNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR all labeled them as harsh critics of the war.
Comment by Len — August 8, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Then I challenge you to provide links to their criticism of the past…
Waiting……
August 8th, 2007 at 2:36 pmRingo,
I know you are, but what am I?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThe are all creations of the human social groups. How can any be better then any other?
Comment by dbadass
Well, I would go with IO the greater god of dragons. Or to win the argument, I would go with AO, the overgod of humans.
THis is from 10 years of playing almost everyday AD&D in high school through university. Yes, we were a bunch of virgins. :]
August 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pmGood to see mr p/len is back talking to itself again. Must get awfully lonely in the basement with nothing but a signed poster of Ann Coultergeist to keep it company.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHey, what happened to Ringo’s response to my comments about his wife and maid? It wasn’t offensive, certainly not as offensive as my initial comments. Now I feel bad.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmThen I challenge you to provide links to their criticism of the past…
Waiting……
Comment by Truthiness
Don’t hold your breath, mr. p/len doesn’t do links that don’t come right from the rover.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmFrank J had the most informed, articulate comments on that thread. He, more than any of these dumbass libs, deserves to be featured in the article.
Can you believe what that moron, bilbobaggins, said?!?!
Sometimes these libs crack me up!
Thanks for the link, Len, I’ll make sure Frank J sees it.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:40 pm4-Ringo is an American Patriot, and he should be Proud!!!
unlike you dem/libs… you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
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“I just realized something. From the start of this war till now there are chirldren who were born and are getting ready for their first day of school.
Comment by dlet “
I assume you are referring to children in this country. I don’t think many children in Iraq actually go to school.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHey, what happened to Ringo’s response to my comments about his wife and maid? It wasn’t offensive, certainly not as offensive as my initial comments. Now I feel bad.
Comment by Bobwurst — August 8, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
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You should. You support the Totalitarian/anti-Freedom/anti-America Party.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThen I challenge you to provide links to their criticism of the past…
Waiting……
Comment by Truthiness
I’m still waiting for his “positive news” from Iraq too. The Brooking’s bobsey twins won’t cut it.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI don’t think many children in Iraq actually go to school.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I was just trying to put the “forever six months” into a real life example. As far as schools in Iraq, there is going to be a whole generation of Iraqis affected by this occupation by lack of an education. Wonder what sort of situation that will create for the “emerging democracy”. Uneducated, poor with no hope of a better future……mmmmmm…I wonder who will try to recruit them….
August 8th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI’m still waiting for his “positive news†from Iraq too. The Brooking’s bobsey twins won’t cut it.
Comment by LibStl — August 8, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
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Don’t forget that Cordesman’s report was positive too!!!
Did you actually read it?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:48 pmGregthenazi:
when are you going to go and fight in your republcan war you chickenhawk repbuplicker? Mayber you’re too busy sucking off other republicans while they’re sleeping?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:48 pmwhen are you going to go and fight in your republcan war
What “Republican” war?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:50 pmRe diet,
My daughter is starting kindergarten this fall. I’d be willing to bet that there are kids who are just starting kindergarten who lost a parent in the republican occupation, some who never even met that parent. good job you family values hypocrites.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:51 pmyour occupation of Iraq. unless you can produce those weapons of mass destruction, that war had nothing to do with the GWOT and everything to do with republican politics.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by dlet
Well, actually the problem started back in 1991, when heavy sanctions were laid upon the general population of Iraq, and as any economic sanctions it only affects the population, not the members of the govt. I would bet that Saddam didnt have a problem eating 3 times a day…pretty much like Cuba.
Economic sanctions have only one goal: to mobilize the people against its government. Thats how you change a regime without invading a country. It happened in NIcaragua, Chile, etc. It hasnt been effective in Cuba and it wasnt very efficient in Iraq. Then you invade.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:53 pmDon’t forget that Cordesman’s report was positive too!!!
Did you actually read it?
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Did you?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:54 pmwhen are you going to go and fight in your republcan war you chickenhawk repbuplicker? Mayber you’re too busy sucking off other republicans while they’re sleeping?
Comment by Bobwurst
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Didn’t make the high school debating team did ya?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:54 pmI’d be willing to bet that there are kids who are just starting kindergarten who lost a parent
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boo-hoo-hooo
WHAAAAA!!!!!! WHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
August 8th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou’re back Ringo!
I was on the football, wrestling, and track teams. How was the AV club?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDo not pay attention to trolls.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI assume you are referring to children in this country. I don’t think many children in Iraq actually go to school.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 8, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
They do, but some of them don’t make it home afterwards, what with all the abductions and violence.
August 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pmGregthenazi
So, when are you going to sacrifice anything, pussy?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDid you?
Comment by LibStl — August 8, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
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I sho’ did:
“Cordesman distances himself O’Hanlon/Pollackâ€
No he doesn’t. He merely builds off of their argument:
O’H & P say
Cordesman uses this premise as a starting point, and continues to say:
Basically, the O’Hanlon/Pollack piece was used to get people to see the progress made (militarily) in Iraq. This Cordesman piece is saying that, even though the surge was a success militarily, the Iraqis still need to step their game up before we can leave.
Comment by Nicholas of Cusa (That’s me) — August 8, 2007 @ 2:38 am
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Did you?
August 8th, 2007 at 2:57 pmBut, you know what? I really, really believe that in six months we will turn a corner. Yep.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:00 pmBut, you know what? I really, really believe that in six months we will turn a corner. Yep.
Comment by Juan C — August 8, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
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Sure, but there is more than one corner that needs to be turned.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:00 pmgreg is a coward.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:04 pmGreg, are you related to Mitt Rommney? Military service doesn’t run in his family either.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:04 pmComment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
And all this “positive news” in Iraq is worth how many more American and Iraqi lives? How much longer do we wait for this “positive trend” to take hold and actually start to negate all the negative (broken infrastructure, death, disease, fear, no operational government)? Six months? Six years? This Administration f****ed this invasion from the beginning, and a “positive trend” militarily 4 years into it doesn’t convince me to stay one more minute.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:04 pmComment by Bobwurst — August 8, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
You can’t deal with the facts, most libs can’t, so start the personal attacks…
we all know that means trolls win.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:05 pmHow much longer do we wait for this “positive trend†to take hold and actually start to negate all the negative (broken infrastructure, death, disease, fear, no operational government)?
Your wait is over. The surge has worked!
August 8th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYour wait is over. The surge has worked!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
So we can leave?? We won?? What did we win?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIt recognizes that strategic patience is a high risk strategy, but it also describes positive trends in the fighting, and hints of future political progress.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Only the most brilliant neocon strategist could spin the administration’s lack of a plan for Iraq as “strategic patience.”
August 8th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWhat “facts” are you refering to greg?
You haven’t stated any “facts” all day. The “fact” is that once someone stoops to your level you start snivling about personal attacks. I guess you’re not serving because you’re a crybaby.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHere’s a question for the posters here other than trolls. Would you still post here if there were not trolls for you to play with?
I am beginning to see a trend where may of the “regular” posters here spend 75% of their time playing with trolls and 25% of their time actually contributing to discourse.
Don’t you see that contributing to the trolls just gives them a victory? Here’s another thread that is dominated by trolls and troll players.
Has this site always been like this or is it a recent phenomenon?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSo we can leave?? We won?? What did we win?
Comment by Truthiness — August 8, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
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No.
Yes.
The opportunity to let the Iraqis get themselves together.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pmYour wait is over. The surge has worked!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
So are you saying that Iraq has a functional government, electricity, running water every day, and 19 Americans haven’t been killed this month? Your statement fails to make any sense.
Then again, according to you, there is no reason for us to stay. So, you are supporting the withdrawl of US troops?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI guess you’re not serving because you’re a crybaby.
Comment by Bobwurst — August 8, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
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No. I’m not serving because I don’t wanna.
It has nothing to do with my being a crybaby.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by LibStl — August 8, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
See:
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
August 8th, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by bilbobaggins — August 8, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
What’s wrong with debate?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:14 pmRe 138,
Greg, you’re a typical republican. let someone else fight the war you pretend is crucial to preserving your way of life, but do it on borrowed money so you won’t have to pay for it. All so you can sit in your mom’s basement and post on liberal websites.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
If we’ve already won, why can’t we leave?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“Here’s a question for the posters here other than trolls. Would you still post here if there were not trolls for you to play with?
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 8, 2007 @ 3:09″
I would still post if there weren’t trolls. I do prefer having people with an apposing view in the discussions though.
I just wish our trolls were a little smarter and better at putting together thoughful and meaningful posts, rather than just spewing tired and worn conservative talking points.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:17 pmOoooh, ooooh, I have one, too…..
William Kristol says we’re winning, too!
…and Brit Hume and Sean Hannity and on and on.
How many more American soldiers have to die before the warmongering Republicans are satisfied?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:21 pmNo.
Yes.
The opportunity to let the Iraqis get themselves together.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Sorry we haven’t won, we never will as the Iraqis are not going to give up their oil to the American corporate war machine.
You can keep fooling yourself, and ignoring facts.. The rest of the world, and 70% of America see Iraq for what it is.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:22 pmAnd I’m not trying to imply that conservatives are stupid. When I was on Redstate.com (before I got banned for letting on that I didn’t support the war), I got into some very interesting debates with some very intelligent and thoughtful people.
Sadly, our trolls are not any of those people.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:23 pmSorry we haven’t won, we never will
Well, Defeatists, like yourself, have never won anything.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI just wish our trolls were a little smarter and better at putting together thoughful and meaningful posts, rather than just spewing tired and worn conservative talking points.
Comment by DigDug
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The worst “talking point” is the Democrat talking point of constantly referring to every opposing argument as a “Republican talking point”.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:25 pmSorry we haven’t won, we never will
Well, Defeatists, like yourself, have never won anything.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:24 pm”
Boy, that’s original…
August 8th, 2007 at 3:25 pmRedstate = a leftist blog.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSorry we haven’t won, we never will
Well, Defeatists, like yourself, have never won anything.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:24 pmâ€
Boy, that’s original…
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
How so?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI just wish our trolls were a little smarter and better at putting together thoughful and meaningful posts, rather than just spewing tired and worn conservative talking points.
Comment by DigDug
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The worst “talking point†is the Democrat talking point of constantly referring to every opposing argument as a “Republican talking pointâ€.
Comment by Ringo — August 8, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Read what I said in post #147
August 8th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThe worst “talking point†is the Democrat talking point of constantly referring to every opposing argument as a “Republican talking pointâ€.
Comment by Ringo — August 8, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
That’s why I’ve started calling them “Republican al-Qa’ida talking points,” since they’re not representative of ALL Republicans, just the Republican al-Qa’ida.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“Redstate = a leftist blog.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:26 pm”
Umm….. have you ever been there? I don’t think you know what you are talking about at all.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“The worst “talking point†is the Democrat talking point of constantly referring to every opposing argument as a “Republican talking pointâ€.
Comment by Ringo”
I know you are, but what am I?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:30 pmUmm….. have you ever been there? I don’t think you know what you are talking about at all.
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
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Yes.
And you are wrong.
I’m a CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!er
So if you are to the left of me, then I call you left.
Redstate = Leftist.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThey only need another Friedman unit before their spin doctors are able to persuade the masses that the “surge” is working, and we need to “stay the course.”
August 8th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“Friedman unit”
Saying things like that is why no one takes you lefties seriously.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWhen I was a child, I hated going to bed at the time my parents felt I should. I became a master of “just five minutes more!”, and “I need a drink of water!”, and “just let me finish reading this chapter!”
Eventually (and it usually didn’t take long), all my stalling failed to work, and my mother would not tolerate any more excuses. Off to bed I had to go, and lights out.
As I look at the stalling tactics listed above, I think I know how my parents felt.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“I’m a CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!er
So if you are to the left of me, then I call you left.
Redstate = Leftist.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:31 pm”
So you support Tancredo’s idea to bomb Mecca?
I must say I’m finding it difficult to take you seriously. I’m starting to doubt that you are for real.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:35 pmNo. I’m not serving because I don’t wanna.
It has nothing to do with my being a crybaby.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
boo-hoo-hooo
WHAAAAA!!!!!! WHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
August 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pmSaying things like that is why no one takes you lefties seriously.
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
And saying things like “CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008″ is why none of us take you Republican al-Qa’ida members seriously.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“I’m a CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!er”
Please let this be the republican ticket, please! Even these guys would beat that ticket.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_Never_Heil_Again
August 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pmComment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
That’s because you’re a lib.
Open your eyes!!!
If the Islamists know that we won’t attack their holy sites, then they know where to hide!
I want them to realize that if they fuk with the USA, nothing is sacred!
August 8th, 2007 at 3:42 pmCHENEY/Tancredo - Mr. Burns meets the KKK. Brilliant.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“Republican al-Qa’ida” - toasterhead
Hello!!!
Is there anybody in there?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pmre 161
Yeah, and his “boo-hoo-hoo” post was in response to the subject of orphaned kids of US servicemen. People he pretends to support, most likely by having a ribbon magnet on his car.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:44 pmBobwurst,
“I know you are, but what am I?”
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You stand out as an exceptionally stupid individual, even by the low standards of ThinkProgress.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:45 pmboo-hoo-hooo
WHAAAAA!!!!!! WHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianus — August 8, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
August 8th, 2007 at 3:46 pm“I them to realize that if they fuk with the USA, nothing is sacred!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus ”
They did fuk with the USA, moron, and your buddy bush let them escape at ToraBora and then proceeded to attack a different country that had nothing to do with 9-11, moron. The result is that Al Queda is stronger now than pre 9-11, and we have less freedoms, and more debt, and less security, moron.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“If the Islamists know that we won’t attack their holy sites,” . . . now there’s a piece of racist hatred.
Yeah, we’re all behind that . . .
August 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“Bobwurst,
“I know you are, but what am I?â€
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You stand out as an exceptionally stupid individual, even by the low standards of ThinkProgress.
Comment by Ringo”
I know you are, but what am I?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:48 pm“They did fuk with the USAâ€
I know. That’s why I say:
CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!”
So how is having a president who gets so drunk he mistakes a lawyer for a tame mourning dove going to deter terrorists?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:50 pm“Republican al-Qa’ida†- toasterhead
Hello!!!
Is there anybody in there?
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
What’s wrong? I’m just substituting the Arabic word for “base” when talking about the Republican base. I think it has a nice ring to it, don’t you?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:51 pmRingo,
So how much does a bride cost these days?
August 8th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe worst “talking point†is the Democrat talking point of constantly referring to every opposing argument as a “Republican talking pointâ€.
Comment by Ringo — August 8, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
The best way to avoid being accused of issuing tired talking points is to come up with something original. (This is not exclusively directed at you, Ringo — it’s to all trolls who can only get their arguments from Rush or some other talking head)
We have people who post in here who raise reasonably intelligent arguments from a conservative point of view, and these people are worth responding to with lively but respectful debate.
How to know the difference? Here’s a partial list of things I am getting VERY tired of seeing:
1) “Congress’ 14% approval rating”
2) “Democrat-controlled Congress” (as the blame for every ill in the world)
3) “Clinton did it, too”
4) “taxed to death” (usually used as an argument against UHC)
5) “Hussein Obama” (that one was tired before it even left the starting gate)
6) “Clinton lied”
7) “What about Vince Foster?” (ruled a suicide — move on)
8) “We have to fight them there to avoid fighting them here” (that one has NEVER been adequately explained)
9) “Libs want to surrender” (or cut ‘n run, or wimp out, or whatever)
10) “You don’t have the balls to impeach!” (impeachment is a serious matter and should never be a “balls” contest)
This is but a partial list. I’m sure others can add to it.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:52 pmGreg the Nazi; Because of Bush/Cheney, the world now says
GOD CURSE AMERIKA!
August 8th, 2007 at 3:54 pmYeah, I’ll sacrifice all of my Constitutional rights, the inalienable rights for which my forefathers lost their lives so Tancredo, Bush, Rummy et al can deprive a nation (ours, Iraq’s, Iran’s and who know what) can inflict “democracy” upon them. No freedom of speech, no freedom of religion, no freedom of association but OIL, OIL, OIL! Whoopee.) If you ain’t makin’ a seven figure paycheck, you don’t figure in the equation.
If you’re wearing a burka, you’re screwed.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“I want them to realize that if they fuk with the USA, nothing is sacred!
Comment by Gregory of Nazianzus — August 8, 2007 @ 3:42 pm”
You realize Mecca is a city in an allied country that is full of innocent people?
Seems to me like you’re advocating terrorism.
August 8th, 2007 at 3:57 pmYou realize Mecca is a city in an allied country that is full of innocent people?
Seems to me like you’re advocating terrorism.
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
And yet he objects when I call him part of the Republican al-Qa’ida. Go figure!
August 8th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAnd yet he objects when I call him part of the Republican al-Qa’ida. Go figure!
Comment by toasterhead — August 8, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Yes, I’ve believed that these war-hawks and al-Qaida are cut from the same cloth. You only have to look at how much power Bin Laden’s attacks gave bush, and how much power the Iraq war has given to al-Qaida. They really seem to feed of each other’s actions.
August 8th, 2007 at 4:03 pmMaliki is in Iran seeking help.
August 8th, 2007 at 4:04 pm“You realize Mecca is a city in an allied country that is full of innocent people?
Seems to me like you’re advocating terrorism.
Comment by DigDug”
Well, the problem is that for the republican trolls, what’s right or wrong, isn’t based on a system of morality, it’s based on political affiliation.
August 8th, 2007 at 4:11 pmYou realize Mecca is a city in an allied country that is full of innocent people?
Comment by DigDug — August 8, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
No, he doesn’t. I doubt he can find Mecca in a map.
Plus, he enjoys killing brown people anyway. They all look the same to him.
August 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm