Conservative Blogs, Newspapers Spin Durbin’s ‘Very Discouraging’ Iraq Assessment
Conservative Blogs, Newspapers Spin Durbin’s ‘Very Discouraging’ Iraq Assessment
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) recently returned from a trip to Iraq and reported that, while he sees some signs of quietude in select areas, the larger mission is doomed because political reconciliation is “coming apart”:
There were two important parts of this story, the military part as Senator [Bob] Casey said, where men and women were doing their best and making real progress. [...]
But I have to tell you there’s another side to this story…As we are seeing military progress, the political scene is very discouraging. We are seeing this al Maliki government, which was once branded the government of unity, coming apart. We see Shia’s leaving, Sunnis walking out. It’s not the kind of promise that we want in terms of bringing stability to this country.
Watch it:
Durbin explained further on NPR: “I think we’re making some measurable progress but it’s slow-going. And the fact that as our troops show some progress towards security, the government of this nation is moving in the opposite direction. This is really unsustainable with the American people.”
But, the conservative blogosphere, desperate to maintain Bush’s escalation, have spun and distorted Durbin’s claims. Rather than recognize what Durbin actually said — that the escalation lacks a political solution — conservatives conveniently noted only one of “the two important parts of this story”:
Red State: “Well, lo and behold, Democratic Senators Durbin (the #2 ranking Democrat in the Senate) and Casey, after actually visiting Iraq, now admit that the surge is, in fact, making precisely the military progress that Senator Reid declared to be impossible.”
Power Line: Some Democrats have noticed that the “surge” is producing results on the ground in Iraq
National Review: Dick Durbin says the surge is “making real progress”
Even some newspapers such as the D.C. Examiner and the New York Sun echoed the conservative spin, giving false impressions about Durbin’s assessment:
New York Sun: Durbin “is conceding that the surge of American troops has led to military progress in Iraq. [Durbin] could open the door for the majority party in Congress to pivot away from its insistence on a deadline for an American retreat.”
DC Examiner: The U.S. military surge…is working. Even as vocal a war critic as Deputy Senate Majority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill., has now acknowledged as much, telling CNN that the U.S. military is “making real progress.”
In fact, as General Wesley Clark said at the YearlyKos conference last week, military “progress” alone in the escalation cannot forge a sustainable peace in Iraq.
“We can’t succeed in Iraq with the numbers of troops, no matter how good they are,” Clark said, “because you can’t succeed in this war just by killing people or intimidating the opposition. Dave Petraeus would be the first one to tell you that. The military’s part of the solution. It’s not the answer. The answer’s the politics.”
UPDATE: Carpetbagger has more.
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The surge has worked!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:12 pmSo what’s the plan for political success??
August 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pm“We can’t succeed in Iraq with the numbers of troops, no matter how good they are,†Clark said, “because you can’t succeed in this war just by killing people or intimidating the opposition.
Aw, man… what a downer. You mean we just can’t keep killing people wholesale? That’s no fun!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWe will win this War.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:17 pmDid he also say that the sky is blue in Iraq too? He did? Hey Durbin admits that the sky over Iraq is blue…glory days. See. The surge is working.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI blame Durbin for phrasing his comments in such a way that it could be taken out of context and fed to Republican al-Qa’ida members with their three-word attention span.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI think the wingnuts don’t understand that there needs to be an Iraqi government to take over at some point. But I concede that Bushco will have 50 years to create one, because that’s how long it’ll take for Bushco to steal their oil.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:21 pmAll of a sudden the right wing retards believe what a democrat says.
A democrat is right if they say the surge works, but they are a terorist sympathizer if they say it is failing. Uh huh.
Stupid fu*king republicans.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmComment by ConservativeWhiteRepublicanMaleEvangelicalChristian
Which war? Drugs? Terror? Illiteracy? Some other nebulous term of the day?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAs Bill Maher said:
“We will bring democracy to the Iraqis even if we have to kill every last one of them”
August 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pmLike or not, Demlibs, but we are showing clear signs of progress in Iraq!!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pmTo give a little balance, and to pre-empt any trolls: Anthony Cordesman from the Center for Strategic Studies just gave a presser. Stating his opinion (he’s just returned from Iraq) that the situation in Iraq can be stabilized if the Sunnis are brought into the political mix and the de-Baathification of the government ended, his cautious optimism is caveated with too many unmeasureable qualifiers to be of aid to rightwing commentators’s rhetoric.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:25 pmthere is no good way to talk to these types…
they hear what they want to hear, spin the rest to fit their meme…
there is just no way to get the facts out there…
August 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmit’s all subject to manipulation…
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Like or not, Demlibs, but we are showing clear signs of progress in Iraq!!!!
Comment by Habalaarz
What’s with this “we” crap? Are you in Iraq?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:26 pmEven if the war was a mistake (I don’t feel that it was), now that we are in, doesn’t it make sense to press for military progress and press for political solutions that will help stabilize the region instead of abandoning the region to all out genocidal civil war?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAnd, I might add, since the Sunnis have withdrawn from the Iraqi parliament, chances are slimmer still that the situation can be stabilized by US forces.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:27 pmDave Petraeus would be the first one to tell you that.
I couldn’t disagree more; Petraeus will say whatever his master (Cheney) tells him to say.
And another thing:
Where are ALL the Iraqi police and/or security forces that Petraeus was supposedly building up a few years ago with such great fanfare.
Who cares what he say’s. He is a puppet, and a failure.
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August 9th, 2007 at 12:28 pmComment by paul
We heard the same stuff during Vietnam. You guys care more about looking like losers than solving the problem.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pmAs a Bushbot we cannot abandon Iraq. Bush has the vision and is a solid leader.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:29 pmStupid fu*king republicans.
Do you think this lends credibility to your arguments?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmNo.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThat isn’t an argument. It is a fact.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:33 pmDo you think this lends credibility to your arguments?
You have to leave spudge alone, picking on him tends to derail his constant false claim that he is a veteran.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:35 pmPress who for political solutions, Paul. Close the Cheetohs bag for a second and listen: Bushco’s handpicked Iraqi government is falling apart. It’s melting away. The cops are Shiite militiament, the Interior Ministry is Shiite death squads, most of the Sunni bloc has abandoned the government, and every ministry is riddled with hopeless corruption. Why are American troops getting killed to control a situation if there’s no one to hand the situation over to?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:36 pmYawn.
Is that all you got? Stupid fu*king republican turd.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBush is responsible for everything from hurricanes to your toilet overflowing. Its important that we proper leftists continue our decades-long attempt to malign the troops as the baby-killing fascists that they are.
Long live Ahmadinejad!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:39 pmIs that all you got? Stupid fu*king republican turd.
I never said I was a republican you child-chasing coward.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pmYeah that’s true, you are much worse. You are a neocon.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:41 pmYeah that’s true, you are much worse. You are a neocon.
Make up your mind, runty Sybil.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:43 pmYou guys care more about looking like losers than solving the problem.
Comment by barfly — August 9, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
It’s either that or we are concerned about leaving a region of the world to fester in Islamic intolerance that increasingly threatens the liberty of the rest of the world. But, it could be the loser thing, too, I guess.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:46 pmYesterday I let loose my worldly multicultural side by actually talking to a black person in a seedy neighborhood (through the slightly open window of my Beemer) and telling them to vote democrat.
Then I went home and had a latte and congratulated myself for really really understanding the issues facing the poor.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI never said I was a republican you child-chasing coward.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 9, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…
On topic, the wingnuts are grasping at others straws now, in an attempt to stave off stomach churning levels of defeat. I guess we can start returning to sanity Feb. 20, 2009
August 9th, 2007 at 12:47 pmLong live Ahmadinejad!
Comment by LiberalHeterogenousDemocratTransgenderAtheistDhimmi — August 9, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
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Hey! Fuk you, traitor.
The USA will kill Amajihad!!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmLiberalHeterogenousDemocratTransgenderAtheistDhimmi —
The neocon scum have literally maligned our troops far more. From Coulters debasing paraplegic vets to Bush using them to make money for halliberton. Look at what they have done to shensiki, mccain, haggel, taguba, bob and john kerry, and on and on. Using the troops as a unmoral prop to further neocon gaols is dispicable.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmMake up your mind, runty Sybil. -Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
I hear Baghdad’s nice this time of year…you should go help out.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTheir is no military solution in Iraq. -Gen. David Patreaus
August 9th, 2007 at 12:51 pmI predict nobody else will go to Iraq unless they are a bona fide certified water carrier. Otherwise our poor conservative bloggers will run out of ways to spin reports of “the horse is dead” into “it twitches when you beat it enough”.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:52 pmDo you know the story of Sybil? I have always posted under the same exact name unlike your little punk a$$. GO read a book you fu*king retarded a$$ wipe.
August 9th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIt’s either that or we are concerned about leaving a region of the world to fester in Islamic intolerance that increasingly threatens the liberty of the rest of the world. But, it could be the loser thing, too, I guess.
Comment by paul — August 9, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
So we’re invading Saudi Arabia, then?
August 9th, 2007 at 12:58 pmDo you know the story of Sybil? I have always posted under the same exact name unlike your little punk a$$. GO read a book you fu*king retarded a$$ wipe.
Uhhh, yes I do which is why I called you “runty Sybil” you retard assgoblin. Are you simply too stupid to understand that?
Now get back under the sink!
August 9th, 2007 at 12:59 pmLike or not, Demlibs, but we are showing clear signs of progress in Iraq!!!!
Comment by Habalaarz — August 9, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
I hear this all the time from the rah rah Iraq crowd — “clear signs of progress”, “measureable progress”, “making real progress”, etc.
Would it be too much to ask what, exactly, this progress is? Some data indicating that insurgent attacks are down? That more square yardage has been secured and is safe to walk around in? Some specifics would be nice.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:00 pmThe USA will kill Amajihad!!!!
Comment by Habalaarz — August 9, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Pity about that presidential directive declaring assassinations of heads of state illegal, or does the law mean anything to you?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBreaking: Canadian security officials believed the United States might send the Syrian-born Canadian to a foreign country to be questioned under torture.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:01 pmhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/ backgroun…ar_inquiry.html
Attack the messenger if he doesn’t say what you want him to. You right wing republicans are out of touch with reality. Purge all Republicans from office!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:02 pmGo fu*k yourself. Just because you just got back handed your going to make up a new term? Uh huh. All normal people know what the fu*k Sybil refers to. You don’t so you act like a third grader and make up your own private meaning for what Sybil refers to. Yeah okay. Fu*king loony.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmpress for political solutions Paul
How many years and how many lives would you like to press for???
August 9th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#21
So you agree with that idiot Ron Paul?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:04 pmAnd the ‘framing’ of Iran continues….
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/195593
Hey, but most of the ex-pat insurgents in Iraq are from…. wait for it…. Saudi Arabia. When do the B2s impose the ‘with us or against us’ solution on Riyadh?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20070808/wl_mcclatchy/20070808bcusiraqsuicidebombers_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop;_ylt=Au.J6XpHVejJmunKhQy8IJWs0NUE
August 9th, 2007 at 1:05 pmPerhaps the real surge should involve US troops rounding up all members of parliament, herding them into a room, then shooting them one by one until they come to an agreement on stuff.
That’s a political plan!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI agree with myself. You fu*king idiots got us into a fiasco. A fiasco WE said would be a fiasco before the fiasco was even started. But you people said we were unpatriotic for not supporting your fiasco. The biggest part of this fiasco is that none of you chicken sh!ts will sign up for the fiasco you started, so the fiasco that WE said would be a fiasco goes on until this day. It didn’t take that smart of a person to figure out that you fiasco would be a fiasco. That would mean that you people would have to be incredibly dumb to support the fiasco your fiasco-in-chief started.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pm(I-Ill.) ???
August 9th, 2007 at 1:15 pmJabberwocky!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:17 pmClinton said it first.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:18 pmYou tell em Spudger!!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pmNone of us supported this FIA$CO from the start, what, over FOUR EFFING years ago!
I’ve stepped in a cow-pie, and I can’t step out of it because I might track cow crap all over the field. Guess I’ll just stand here until I die.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pmIraq critics concede military progress
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_attitudes
WASHINGTON – Even some critics of President Bush’s Iraq war policies are conceding there is evidence of recent improvements from a military standpoint. But Bush supporters and critics alike agree that these have not been matched by any noticeable progress on the political front.
Despite U.S. pressure, Iraq’s parliament went on vacation for a month after failing to pass either legislation to share the nation’s oil wealth or to reconcile differences among the factions. And nearly all Sunni representatives in the government have quit, undermining the legitimacy of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pmDurbin explained further on NPR: “I think we’re making some measurable progress but it’s slow-going. And the fact that as our troops show some progress towards security, the government of this nation is moving in the opposite direction. This is really unsustainable with the American people.â€
Translation: “Even though we are making progress, I desperately want the American people to give up on this because my party has bet the ranch on this failing.”
Way to put party politics above the best interests of our troops and the country, Dick!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:21 pmCoukld you pleae repost this comment in iambic pantameter?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:22 pmMA, after a while Paul begins to enjoy the warmth of the cow pie.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:22 pmUnfortunately, after four years or so, the cow pie solidifies into an unmovable anchor.
Even if the war was a mistake (I don’t feel that it was), now that we are in, doesn’t it make sense to press for military progress and press for political solutions that will help stabilize the region instead of abandoning the region to all out genocidal civil war?
Comment by paul — August 9, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
In theory, it makes sense to fix what we broke. But are we “fixing” anything? We might be holding back full scale genocide, but we are also inflaming anti-American sentiment, ticking off the Iraqi citizens who resent our occupation, and acting as a marketing tool for Al Qaeda recruitment. All this at a cost of billions and billions of dollars, plus American lives. What we have been doing has been working about as well as trying to extinguish a forest fire with a bellows, and declaring “we’re making progress!” every time we manage to save a seedling from incineration.
Those of us who have said from the start that Bush and Cheney made a mistake going in have been vindicated now that most of the country agrees with us. But that’s not going to get us out now that the damage has been done. Bush and Cheney should clean up this mess before they leave, but that doesn’t look likely, either. It will fall upon the next resident of the White House to come up with a solution for a situation with no good solution available.
All Americans can really do at this point is to make sure the next batch of people we elect won’t lie to get us into another mess like this one.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pmMoving backward more slowly is the new moving forward.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#50
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 9, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
“I agree with myself.”
Does yourself say that we should just pull out and go home and leave the situation to twist in the wind?
“You fu*king idiots got us into a fiasco.”
What’s this us stuff? You aren’t serving in the military.
“But you people said we were unpatriotic for not supporting your fiasco.”
I never said anything like that. I think it’s total BS to call someone unpatriotic for not supporting the Iraq war.
“The biggest part of this fiasco is that none of you chicken sh!ts will sign up for the fiasco you started”
There are hundreds of thousand of chicken shits that signed up and are fighting right now because they support your so called “fiasco”. So are all of those soldiers in Iraq right now, that have re-enlisted since the invasion began, sill cowards like you say they are? Or do you just think like Kerry and think they are dumb for doing so?
“That would mean that you people would have to be incredibly dumb to support the fiasco your fiasco-in-chief started”
Your apparent idea of packing up and going home would make the current situation in Iraq look like tea party. Talk about dumb ideas.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pmPiano Assembly
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThis shows how a specific Piano was to be assembled by the customer. It shows the principles for assembly for Piano 5, 7 and 9. You will be advised to assemble the Piano first, then install flip units. Download flip instructions separately. If you are assembling Piano 10, 14, 18, 20, the procedure is similar, like 2 Pianos joined at the wide side.
Comment by m12 — August 9, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
That’s right, it’s time to blame the victim.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 9, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Translation: strawman.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmAll Americans can really do at this point is to make sure the next batch of people we elect won’t lie to get us into another mess like this one.
Comment by missmolly
Well, good luck with that missmolly. Looks like Hillary is going to get the nod on the Dem side — and she is a proven liar.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pmfiasco
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 9, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Somebody got a new Word-of the-Day calendar.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:32 pmUnlike your chicken sh!t ass, I have already served. I was there when smart Bush’s secretary of defense (Dick Cheney) said 600,000 coalition troops wouldn’t be enough.
Stop lose is not re-enlistment. Get your facts straight.
John Kerry’s comment was directed at Bush and yes it was stupid for Bush to take us there with 145,000 troops. But that is what happens when you allow somebody with NO military experience to start a war.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:32 pmNope, just didn’t want my comment to get trapped in the fu*k filter.
Fiasco, boondoggle, quagmire, complete fu*k up, utter failure. All define Bush failed attack on a country that wasn’t threatening us.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWhich of the Repug candidates isn’t a proven liar?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:42 pmFiasco, boondoggle, quagmire, complete fu*k up, utter failure. All define Bush failed attack on a country that wasn’t threatening us.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 9, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
A new Word-of-the-Day calendar and a Thesaurus! It must be your birthday.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pmHas this thread been shut down, none of the posts have gone through.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:51 pmOlbermann put it exactly right the other day… Republicans don’t read, they SKIM.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmThe Reality Rewrite machine of the Repugs is just starting to gear up and they will be in full swing with the MSM, just look at what happened to Pearl Jam by AT&T, a major supporter of the illegal wiretapping information as well as not being able to see caskets or wounded on TV or in print media.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCome on, you can do better than this. This is very weak. I expect more from my enemy.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:23 pmMA, after a while…
Comment by RUCerious — August 9, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
ya know,RU, if marcus were familiar with a certain despised troll
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmoften referred to as “MA”, instead of the complete moniker,
he surely would be offended… don’t you think?
i know you mean no offense…
just sayin’…
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Sen. Durbin, isn’t it exasperating when your words get ’spun’. A critique of anything best begins with a summary of the conclusion, such as:
August 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pm‘The Surge is NOT Working’. Then go on to summarize your points. We are way past the point where ambiguity is anyway acceptable. Cut the politics and bring our troops home with responsible wording.
fiasco
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 9, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Somebody got a new Word-of the-Day calendar.
Comment by r — August 9, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
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You got that right, r!
- M r P
August 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pm#67
“Stop lose is not re-enlistment. Get your facts straight.”
There are thousands that DID re-enlist. You need to get your facts straights and stop lying and tying to tell everyone here that the majority the troops in Iraq are stop loss victims….unless you can provide a link that states your assertion. You can’t possibly be suggesting that the majority of soldiers in Iraq have had stop loss orders given to them. BTW What about the thousands of new recruits that have joined since the start of the invasion?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-05-army-troops_x.htm
“Although the orders cover all the approximately 160,000 returning troops, the Army said it estimates only about 7,000 of the returnees will have their time in the service involuntarily extended. Most deployed soldiers are not affected because they have service obligations that extend beyond their current deployments, Army Col. Elton Manske, chief of the Army’s Enlisted Division, said Monday.”
AGAIN, or do you just think like Kerry and think they are dumb for doing so? Here is less complicated revision to the same question for you: Do you think that our soliders that did and have re-enlisted since the 2003 invasion were dumb for doing so?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:47 pmDo you suppose the little boy who noted that “The Emperor has no clothes” had this much trouble making the grown-ups listen?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:55 pmfootsore
He admitted twice that the military situation is improving. Think Communist panics and tries to find a negative spin in the story. Too chicken to admit they are wrong so they try to explain that the political situation is bad.
It would kill George Soros to admit that we are indeed improving. Improvement equals kiss of death for Soros and extreme libs so they are in a panic. They would ignite civil strife themselves if they have to do go and show the Iraqis how to do it. Classic display as to why Libs are despised in America. You can change the name to Progressives but defeatists are defeatists by any name.
August 9th, 2007 at 3:07 pmthere is no good way to talk to these types…
they hear what they want to hear, spin the rest to fit their meme…
there is just no way to get the facts out there…
it’s all subject to manipulation…
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Comment by katy — August 9, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
On both sides Katy. You only hear what you want to hear. If Bush says the world is getting better, you will say it’s getting worse. If Bush says…oh forget it!!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWell, good luck with that missmolly. Looks like Hillary is going to get the nod on the Dem side — and she is a proven liar.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 9, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
I wasn’t talking about Hillary. We are still early enough in the game that we can choose anyone we want to be our president. All we have to do is wake up and declare that we aren’t going to allow political fundraising machines to determine who we vote for. Too many Americans are willing to roll over and meekly accept that we have to choose between Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani just because they are ahead in the polls right now. And the first primaries and caucuses are still months away. Not one person has cast a vote for either one of them yet.
Even though I’m not a rabid fan of Hillary, your post raises a question. What are these “proven lies” you claim Hillary has told? Please provide some specifics.
And a second question — which candidate in the rather wide field currently do you trust most to tell the truth? I would be interested to know your choice, and why.
August 9th, 2007 at 4:12 pmBDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) is epidemic in TP.
August 9th, 2007 at 4:13 pmSpudgeboy were you in the military? Where? Paper pusher in Iraq right?
August 9th, 2007 at 4:17 pmThanks for your service.
The surge has clearly failed. We can no longer win militarily in Iraq. Giving the surge 6 more months will change nothing. No political progress has been made. Maliki is incapable of it.
August 9th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe surge was supposed to allow Maliki to make political progress. But no political progress has been made thus the surge has failed.
August 9th, 2007 at 5:04 pm…What are these “proven lies†you claim Hillary has told? Please provide some specifics.
And a second question — which candidate in the rather wide field currently do you trust most to tell the truth? I would be interested to know your choice, and why.
Comment by missmolly — August 9, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
me too… and yet…
August 9th, 2007 at 8:58 pm— crickets —
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The war in Iraq is going well, at least according to the people that matter most…the Iraqis. Here’s what they think in the latest poll conducted last month
September 14th, 2007 at 10:08 amhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/10_09_07_iraqpoll.pdf