Bush On Torture Report: ‘Haven’t Seen It, We Don’t Torture’
Bush On Torture Report: ‘Haven’t Seen It, We Don’t Torture’
During President Bush’s press conference this morning, The Washington Post’s Peter Baker asked him if he “had read” a highly confidential report by the International Committee of the Red Cross that “has found an interrogation program in CIA detention facilities, [that] used interrogation techniques that were ‘tantamount to torture.’” Details of the Red Cross report were revealed recently by the New Yorker.
“Haven’t seen it; we don’t torture,” Bush bluntly responded before moving on to another question. Watch it:
Bush’s ignorant denial of torture is hardly convincing, considering he is apparently unaware of the allegations coming from the Red Cross, “which is known for its credibility and caution.” The report alleges “that American officials responsible for the abusive treatment” at CIA “black sites” may have committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions:
One of the sources said that the Red Cross described the agency’s detention and interrogation methods as tantamount to torture, and declared that American officials responsible for the abusive treatment could have committed serious crimes. The source said the report warned that these officials may have committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions, and may have violated the U.S. Torture Act, which Congress passed in 1994. The conclusions of the Red Cross, which is known for its credibility and caution, could have potentially devastating legal ramifications.
Though Bush claims to have not “seen” the report, others in his administration have. According to the New Yorker, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Rice’s legal adviser John Bellinger III, CIA director Michael Hayden and his acting general counsel John Rizzo are all “believed to have seen it.”
Given the documented abuses at Abu Ghraib, President Bush would be wise to actually read reports like the Red Cross’s before definitively declaring “we don’t torture.”
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Canadian security officials believed the United States might send the Syrian-born Canadian to a foreign country to be questioned under torture.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:23 pmhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/ backgroun…ar_inquiry.html
Who cares what the Red Cross thinks is torture? Waterboarding isn’t torture by any reasonable stretch of the word!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:25 pmTell that to Donald Vance.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:25 pmNow see, heh, tantamount.. heh, heh, gotta love that word. Duznt mean real torture, just tanta mount, kinda like the Lone Ranger’s sidekick, you know Tonto mount, get it…Heh.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmWe don’t torture! We just caress the evildoers until they “arrive” at an acceptable position.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmGeorge W. Bush sez, “ ” I see NO evil, hear NO evil, speak NO evil.”
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI can see this Administration spending time in the Hague!!!!!
One can only hope!!!!
But if the Congress does nothing before then, well our standing in the world will be shot! To think that our own did nothing and it took the world to make things right.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:26 pmIt provides that the torture denial is definitional and not factual. “We don’t torture” because he’s defined torture to be something he doesn’t do.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by m12 — August 9, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
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We considered waterboarding to be torture when it was done to our troops in Vietnam.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pmI never listen to him. He lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies…
He the energizer bunny of lies.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:27 pmPlease ignore the trolls.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pm“Who cares what the Red Cross thinks is torture? Waterboarding isn’t torture by any reasonable stretch of the word!
Comment by m12 — August 9, 2007 @ 1:25 pm”
Lets waterboard m12, JUST FOR FUN!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:28 pmtime to smear the red cross!!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOnly the 25% bottom feeding suckers are going to lap that liquid BullSh!t up
August 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pmComment by m12 — August 9, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Your stupidity is exceeded only by your ignorance.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pmBut I can tell you, anyhow, I’d rather see, than be one.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOver 500 detainees were originally processed into Guantanamo Bay. 86% of them were captured by Pakistani forces. 9% of them were Christian. More than 200 have since been released with a pat on the back and a “good luck”.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmHe doesnt need facts to know things… like invading countries based on facts is completely unnecessary when you are being told to do things by invisible people in your head.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pmNotice how the president always says “we don’t torture.”–never “we don’t do anything that might be construed as torture to civilized people”? It’s because anything that we do is automatically considered “not torture” by Gonzo’s twisted legal reading of war powers and the unitary executive. If we do it in thee course of fighting the “GWOT”, it’s not torture by definition.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWho cares what the Red Cross thinks is torture? Waterboarding isn’t torture by any reasonable stretch of the word!
Comment by m12
I remember when growing up somewhere in school in a book I saw a picture of people dressed up in old pre-victorian dress with a person straped to a board over a large wooden “bucket” as they were being dunked in…
I believe it was a story about the torture of people during the christian “INQUISITIONS”…
August 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmBush would have to do some hard soul searching if he would listen or read reports his own administration put out.
He repeats the same words over and over as if that will make it true.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmLets waterboard m12, JUST FOR FUN!
Comment by Publicus
We can make it like a frat initiation. I’ll bring the battery cables and a keg.
-Ray-
August 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pmConcerning detainees at Guantanamo Bay:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that, in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a large majority - 60% - are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners, a nexus to any terrorist group is not identified by the Government.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies.
5. Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants - mostly Uighers - are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to be enemy combatants.
Many people say that if we release these people, certain things will happen. However, we have already released over 200 of them after holding them for a couple years and realizing we had no reason to be holding them.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmAbu Ghraib shows that torture was committed by the US. To say we don’t doesn’t clarifying we didn’t.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:35 pmWe considered waterboarding to be torture when it was done to our troops in Vietnam.
Comment by Chris L — August 9, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Misclassification, that has now been fixed.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm“Notice how the president always says “we don’t torture.â€â€“”
Comment by Menehune
Yes, I have noticed, it is a simple phrase, easy to memorize and program… it becomes the automatic response, whenever the subject comes up.
Next?
(:))
August 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYes, it’s so clear that was he means is “I don’t define anything we tell people to do as torture.”
August 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pm“Waterboarding isn’t torture by any reasonable stretch of the word!
Comment by m12″
Funny, it was torture when those dirty Vietmanese did it to our boys. It was torture when it was used as evidence against Japanese officers in warcrimes trials after WWII. I guess it’s only torture when “they” do it to “us”.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:36 pmOh, and I kind of like the acronym “GWOT”
August 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThink it has any chance of becoming a mainstream term?
(I’ll help any way I can …)
As a child growing up during the cold war, I remember hearing stories about the evil USSR. They had secret prisons where people were taken without a trial, held for long periods of time, and tortured. Initially, the US was only doing this with foreign nationals, but have since done this with three US citizens. Welcome to the top of the slippery slope.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:39 pmRules of Bush Torture Club:
August 9th, 2007 at 1:40 pm1. We do not torture, it at least we do not call it torture.
2. You do not use the word torture
3. If someone calls it torture, you deny it
4. Only Evil Doers torture.
5. Anyone who is against torture is a pussy.
if you were President, wouldnt you WANT to read the report…& wouldnt you be ashamed to admit that you HADNT????
August 9th, 2007 at 1:40 pmm12 wouldn’t last 5 seconds under the waterboard and he would be crying for MOM and the Red Cross! Typical CHickenhawk response, hiding in the basement behind his M79 keyborad.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWell, the haven’t seen it line isn’t an excuse. He saw the report titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States” and that didn’t spur him into action.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmIt wasn’t torture when the subject lunged repeatedly against my boot and then threw his head over and over onto my fist.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:41 pmYou can always count on supporters of George W. Bush to rush to their keyboards in defense of torture. What the hell is wrong with these people?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:42 pmHave him read his own general’s report on abu graihb. By General Taguba.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:43 pmWe don’t torture. I can’t read. I like picture books. Pet goats suck.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:43 pmWe are witnessing the slow Nazification/Baathication of America. The Bush supporters will stop at nothing to support Bush and will give him whatever authority he demands.
They will gladly give up all of their civil rights and shout at the top of their lungs “If you aren’t guilty, why worry?”
They will tolerate torture, but they will simply call it something else, although they would call it torture if it were applied to them.
America is getting to a point where it may be too late. We may be past the point of departure on that slippery slope.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pmHere is a video of a former US Special Forces undergoing a waterboarding session: http://www.current.tv/video/?id=13462474
Watch it.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pmSome how, I think “we don’t torture” isn’t going to work as an effective defensse if George Bush ever finds himself standing in the docket at the World Court.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pmWe have–ahem–”talked” General Taguba into “clarifying” his position. We are now all agreed that Abu Ghraib was just hijinks and a couple of pillow fights.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pmMy Daddy said waterboarding was an event in the X Games.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI’d rather not watch it, Ringo. Japanese officers were put in jail or executed for it after WWII, and, being as I am a decent person, I’d rather not watch it. I don’t watch snuff films either.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:46 pm“America is getting to a point where it may be too late. We may be past the point of departure on that slippery slope.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 9, 2007 @ 1:44 pm”
It’s not a question in my mind!!!
We went beyond that many years ago!
I really thought that Americans would put Country above party, but I was wrong!!!!
Now it’s totally based on party, and if you are not a cult follower then you are Un-American…..
I realized it when people started questioning Bush and were call TRAITORS. This told me that we were done as the country formally known as America.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:47 pmhere’s the thing everyone is missing
gonzales re defined torture to mean nothing is torture unless you die or loose a limb
given THAT definition we don’t torture
obviously that definitition is depraved but that is how the president claims ‘we don’t torture”
it’s a lie that he’s given himself some kind of escape clause
August 9th, 2007 at 1:47 pmHow is the Bush administration going to keep it’s torture techniques secret. Those who have been tortured know well what has been done to them and once released are free to tell whoever will listen.
The question is, will anyone who has been tortured be released in the foreseeable future, even if they are innocent or only committed minor crimes? There are only two ways I can think of to keep them quiet. Having been tortured may be the sole justification for a lifetime of incarceration.
Of course, the CIAs techniques don’t leave any signs of physical harm, but the design is to break minds not bones so instead of leaving physical cripples behind, they drive people absolutely insane with mental scars that may last a lifetime. Maybe they believe that these people will have little credibility once released because, after all they’re just a bunch of crazy ex-terrorists.
I wonder how many innocent people have been tortured. Imagine the horror of being tortured and having nothing to say because you’re innocent. Eventually you would confess to anything just to stop the torture. That’s why witch hunts always found witches.
Ironically, the Red Cross, having talked to these detainees, knows more about the CIAs techniques than Congress or the American people. If any detainees who have been tortured, have been released, then I’m sure the CIAs techniques are no secret to terrorists. How can the Bush administration claim that their techniques are secret when they are certainly known to every detainee at Guantanimo either through experience or by word of mouth, unless they know that those detainees will never talk..
August 9th, 2007 at 1:48 pmYou all seem pretty sure that the US routinely tortures captives at Guantanamo Bay and other secret facilities….Can you prove it?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:49 pmYes we do torture. We torture logic, the Constitution, the truth and most of all everyone else when we constantly deny torturing people.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:49 pmRingo, are you telling me you’re all about needing proof before believing things now? Good grief.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pmOf course we don’t torture — we engage in “enhanced interrogation”. Didn’t the Red Cross get the memo?
Seriously though — Bush isn’t fooling anyone. He is either lying or he is woefully unaware of what his administration is doing and authorizing. Neither scenario is acceptable.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:51 pmDoes anyone else think how strange it is that when Bush is confronted with a situation that he has lied about he utters the same phrase over and over instead of answering a question. I guess that used to work with questioners but thank God the public is getting wiser and noting his evasivness.
He commented Libby does not have to be accountable because he paid the price, which would be what?
Gonzalez isn’t accountable because he did nothing wrong, really politizing a justice system is not wrong?
Do you suppose he plugs his ears and shuts his eyes to avoid the truth?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmRingo, are you telling me you’re all about needing proof before believing things now? Good grief.
Comment by Vice President Bush
Shorter VP Bush: I don’t have any proof, because I’m making it up.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:52 pmBush is either an idiot or a compulsive liar. Either way, not good qualities for the president of our country. I am seriously counting the days until he is gone (if the country can survive that long).
August 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHey ringo, go look at these pictures:
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
you want to talk about waterboarding, go ahead. Didn’t see a single waterboarding issue in any of the torture pictures I’m providing.
You are wrong.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI’d rather not watch it, Ringo. Japanese officers were put in jail or executed for it after WWII, and, being as I am a decent person, I’d rather not watch it. I don’t watch snuff films either.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
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It’s not as bad as you imagine. The man who undergoes the waterboarding does so voluntarily to show the average American exactly what waterboarding is and when it, if ever, it might be useful.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI agree with missmolly….He’s lying……
August 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHaving been through S.E.R.E. training, I can testify personally that waterboarding is torture, not fun at all.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHaven’t seen it, we don’t torture, LALALALALALA-STAY-THE-COURSE-LALALALA
August 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmhttp://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2005/ 04/ 28/ 60minutes/ main691602.shtml
CBS says so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp#Prisoner_complaints
The Tipton Three and other inmates say so:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2004/ 11/ 30/ politics/ 30gitmo.html?ex=1259470800&en=825f1aa04c65241f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt
The Red Cross say so:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4718724.stm
And so does the UN:
August 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmBush is either an idiot or a compulsive liar. Either way, not good qualities for the president of our country. I am seriously counting the days until he is gone (if the country can survive that long).
Comment by JG
As Chris Dodd said in the recent debates… if this was a parliamentary system in America bush would be gone by tonight.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmMaybe Bush’s Lyme disease is kicking back up. It does effect the mind. Just ask ringo.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“You all seem pretty sure that the US routinely tortures captives at Guantanamo Bay and other secret facilities….Can you prove it?
Comment by Ringo — August 9, 2007 @ 1:49 pm”
David Hicks, Jose Padillia are just two off the tops of my head. There was also that Canadian man that was taken away for about 6 months to a year. Then there was German people who have come forward with similar stories……
They all have signs of torcher on their bodies…..
WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIt’s not as bad as you imagine. The man who undergoes the waterboarding does so voluntarily to show the average American exactly what waterboarding is and when it, if ever, it might be useful.
Comment by Ringo
Why should we believe a video made by torturers to show how nice torture is? Really?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:55 pmRingo: “You all seem pretty sure that the US routinely tortures captives at Guantanamo Bay and other secret facilities….Can you prove it?”
Just last year on the floor of congress, Dick Durbin read a report by an FBI agent regarding Gitmo. In it, the FBI agent complained of torture tactics being committed at Gitmo and compared the tactics to those used by Nazis.
Conservatives responded by hysterically accusing Durbin of comparing our troops to Nazis. Remember?
The Canadian government issued a formal complaint against our government over the torture of an innocent Canadian citizen who was detained while on route to his home. He was taken to a secret location and tortured for about a year before the Canadians were able to secure his release. Remember?
Do you have a memory problem?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:56 pmOh waterboarding isn’t torture. That’s why it was a favored technique of Tomas de Torquemada and the Khmer Rouge.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI guess if he doesn’t read the report, then he can say he hasn’t read the report… then later when he’s being tried for war crimes he can say he never saw any reports about torture… it’s his way of covering his own rear end.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWaterboarding was one of the Khmer Rouge’s favorite tortures, and they could (and did) anything they want to people. So Bingo, it’s not torture if the Khmer Rouge do it? Also, I noted that this guy’s feet weren’t above his head; sure they were doing it correctly? U.S. torturers say most people last less than five seconds.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmGerald Gibson - we could only wish for such a government…as it is there are 530 days left as of today. Way too much time.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIt’s not as bad as you imagine. The man who undergoes the waterboarding does so voluntarily to show the average American exactly what waterboarding is and when it, if ever, it might be useful.
Comment by Ringo
Obviously you missed the text at the beginning that states explicitly that waterboarding is considered torture by the Geneva convention.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:58 pmRingo, you go look at any of the above links about torture yet?
August 9th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe man who undergoes the waterboarding does so voluntarily to show the average American exactly what waterboarding is and when it, if ever, it might be useful.
Comment by Ringo
That’s the point. If you don’t volunteer to be there and you don’t know if you are going top actully die or not…..then it becomes torture. If someone wants to stick metal hooks in their skin and hang from them, they can no problem but once you make someone do it against their will it’s torture.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:59 pmOnly if you drop your drawers and bend over.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:00 pm“it’s his way of covering his own rear end.
Comment by Dave — August 9, 2007 @ 1:57 pm”
In the world court that won’t fly……
Failing to read a report provided by your own community will be laughed at and will further make him look even more complicit in the acts.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:00 pmOf course, before you can wash your dog, you have to get him or her into the tub or sink. Lift your dog into the tub if necessary, but do so with a gentle, soothing voice and calm manner. Likewise, use careful, gentle movements throughout the bath, and try to be positively involved in the process, making your dog think this is fun or pleasant.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmBush is a pathological liar.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:02 pmPresident Bush would be wise to actually read reports like the Red Cross’s before definitively declaring “we don’t torture.â€
Bush, read?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThassa right, Dave. And, do you really think the boy chimp reads anything more than a paragraph long? I doubt it.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWe give you all the tools to make your dog sparkle or at least smell great! It allows you to have a hands-on experience with your dog and leave the mess here.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThe Bush Regime membership believes they are above the law, but nobody in the Congress is stopping them.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pmHellinabucket: “Ringo, you go look at any of the above links about torture yet?”
To an intellectually dishonest person with a dishonest agenda, asking for proof is a form of obfuscation, not an attempt to gain more insight or information. These authoritarian, proto-fascist cultists aren’t interested in anything but protecting their cult leader.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:06 pm“it’s his way of covering his own rear end.
Comment by Dave — August 9, 2007 @ 1:57 pmâ€
In the world court that won’t fly……
Failing to read a report provided by your own community will be laughed at and will further make him look even more complicit in the acts.
Comment by RemoveBush — August 9, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
and, something about “ignorance of the law… no defense”…
August 9th, 2007 at 2:07 pmmaybe?
…
secret facilities….Can you prove it?
Comment by Ringo — August 9, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
secret, ringo. how do you remember to breathe, being as stupid as you are?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:09 pm1.) Bush can’t read
August 9th, 2007 at 2:10 pm2.) Bush and Cheney both need to be waterboarded
Come on Waxman
These authoritarian, proto-fascist cultists aren’t interested in anything but protecting their cult leader.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 9, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
Oooooooh - SNAP!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:11 pmJust pointing it out again Col. Ringo has no interest in finding out the truth. He is happy being spoon fed and watching the shadows.
I’ll still point it out to the phlegm ball.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:12 pmMaybe Bush’s Lyme disease is kicking back up. It does effect the mind. Just ask ringo.
Comment by hellinabucket
Ringo, when a lib resorts to personal insults it means they have lost the argument. Good job, man!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThe worlds media is lying , Bush is tellin the truth ,
Thats basically it, do you think were all stupid
August 9th, 2007 at 2:12 pm“To an intellectually dishonest person with a dishonest agenda, asking for proof is a form of obfuscation, not an attempt to gain more insight or information. These authoritarian, proto-fascist cultists aren’t interested in anything but protecting their cult leader.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 9, 200″
Given the circumstances, they will be applying this same logic to the same kind of actions and abuse to be used on Americans. They will offer the same excuses, the same circular logic the same up is down mantras.
America had better realize that these people will never stop no matter what they have to do.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 2:13 pmRingo, when a lib resorts to personal insults it means they have lost the argument. Good job, man!
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Particularly ironic from the ball-licker without a single fact at his command. Do you lick Ringo’s balls before or after your own?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pm1.) Bush can’t read
2.) Bush and Cheney both need to be waterboarded
Come on Waxman
Comment by Al Munoz
I’d like to waterboard you by putting your head in the toilet and flushing, numbskull.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pmRonjazz is a troll. Ingore him.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:14 pmThe photos of Abu Gharaib were manufactured by foreign media … BUSH says they were not real
You got us there Bush ,,,,WE ARE ALL STUPID PEOPLE SO SORRY YOUR EMPORER HIGHNESS BUSH
August 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pmHellinabucket,
“Ringo, you go look at any of the above links about torture yet?â€
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Yes.
The 60 Minutes link is the most compelling, although the “torture” described all psychological or merely discomfort.
The Tipton Three have every reason to lie and cannot be trusted.
The wiki-link simply refers to the Tipton Three and a few other who hae good reason to lie.
The Red Cross link does not mention torture, it simply descibes imprisonment at Guantanamo as “inhumane” and demands that all prisoners be released or put on trial, which is something that has never been done in any other war while the conflict was ongoing.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:15 pmRingo’s Tinkles, when a lib resorts to personal insults it means they have lost the argument. Good job, man!
Comment by Dr. DoggyStylus — August 9, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Rogaine! Now available without a prescription!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pm“Haven’t seen it; we don’t torture,†Bush bluntly responded before moving on to another question.
POTUS is a lying sack of sh@t! He tortures America every time he opens his stupid mouth. OUR PRESIDENT IS AN IDIOT!!! Not even children believe the crap he’s trying to sell.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president.”
-T. ROOSEVELT
I clearly do not stand by this lying sack of Cheney!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:16 pmHey, ball-licker, good luck with that one. Your lies and cowardice are indicative of your hate of America, and your fact-free bullsh*t shows your 4th-grade education.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:17 pmDRxJ is a troll. Ignore him.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWhen you are alone, sit down on the couch with your partner. Hold his hands and tell him you want to romance him. Ask him to be patient with you as you try a few romantic ideas you have and ask her to not be shy about expressing appreciation and encouraging you in your romantic efforts.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pmOUR PRESIDENT IS AN IDIOT!!! Not even children believe the crap he’s trying to sell.
Comment by a patriot acting
He defeated the best two candidates you lame brains could offer, Gore and Kerry.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pmI just love how m12 and Dr. Dog and Ringo jump to their Dear Leader’s defense anytime he’s accused of wrong doing. So, m12, Dr. Dog, and Ringo? What would it take for you to stop coming to Bush’s defense? Kiling and eating a kitten on live TV? Having sex with a live boy or dead girl on the lawn of the whitehouse? Or walking out in hot pink speedoes, carrying the constitution and a lighter, dropping the speedoes, taking a dump on the constitution, then lighting the constitution while whirling his hoohah like a helicopter, again, on national TV?
Is there nothing this man can do that would lose the support of the trolls?
I mean, ‘proof we torture?’ Abu Graib wasn’t enough? Of course not. We could have the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff dressed in BDSM gear on national TV saying ‘F*ck yeah, we torture those ragheads!’ and the trolls would be too destracted by the hot man in BDSM gear to notice that he just admitted to torture. Something like Abu Graib doesn’t phase these posers at all– they get off on torturing ragheads, yaknow?
They’ll follow Dubya into the pits of hell. I just wish they’d put the United States back where they found it first, then make that journey.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pmMarcus Aurelius is a troll. Ignore him.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:18 pmComment by Al Munoz
I’d like to waterboard you by putting your head in the toilet and flushing, numbskull.
Comment by Dr. Dogbreath — August 9, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Al, when a not so bright rightwing troll resorts to personal insults it means they have lost the argument. Good job, man!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI don’t understand the logic used by those who say “Waterboarding isn’t so bad” If it isn’t so bad, why would they bother using it to induce a confession or acquire information? If it wasn’t so bad, they would drop it from their repertoire. The guy who went through it voluntarily had the advantage of knowing that he wouldn’t drown, and that when he said stop, they would stop.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmThe use of punishment products may be more appropriate and more effective, since they are less likely to be associated with the guardian, and are more specific and immediate than guardian intervention, whether verbal or physical.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmYou know….. If we EVER put America back to the way it was before Bush, we should use that NAS Illegal spying program to trackdown all these people who support torcher.
Then contact the Russians and ask them if they would help us with demonstrating to these people just how “harmless” these techniques are that they support. Let them have to endure them for 6 months to a year just like they were really prisoners.
Then let them come back and see if they still sing the same tune……
August 9th, 2007 at 2:19 pmAre you talking about Jim Webb, or Paul Casey, or Diane Feinstein or Harry Reid?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI just love how m12 and Dr. Dog and Ringo jump to their Dear Leader’s defense anytime he’s accused of wrong doing.
Comment by Jeremy
There are more conservatives here than just that.
I just jumped on this thread because it was the top one.
By while we’re at it, no the US does not torture.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmNo. 100. “He defeated the best two candidates you lame brains could offer, Gore and Kerry.” We can debate whether they were the “best” the Dems could offer. But, there is no debate. He didn’t beat Gore. And, he likely didn’t beat Kerry either in Ohio. Nope, he stole both. Believe it had something to do with that love of karl’s life, voter fraud. See how things just keep flowing.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmLet’s waterboard the trolls and see how they like it.
Don’t worry if you kill one or two off the Repukes.
We’re indemnified by Chimpy.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBooby traps are a way of teaching your partner to avoid the area, or the behavior itself.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBall-licker thinks that stealing elections is the same as winning. Like I said, no pride in America, no facts, all lies, all the time, like any good Republican Rovot. True patriots know that Bush is a phony and a charlatan. Only the braindead fools of the 20% still believe any of his horsesh*t.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“He defeated the best two candidates you lame brains could offer, Gore and Kerry.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:18 pm”
NO!!!!!
He was APPOINTED in 2000 by the Supreme Court and Rigged the 2004 elections by GAGING and flipping votes with those electronic voting machines.
My god….. Are you people really this stupid, or are you just playing one???
August 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAs if the resident Puppy Proctologist here is an authority on anything.
Ringo, haven’t heard from you yet. Look at the pictures provided? It’s acts of torture committed by the US. To ignore that is turning your back on the truth.
You have no argument if you ignore the facts. The facts expose Bush as lying about torture. The Red Cross and others have stated torture has been committed elsewhere by the US.
Bush’s record of truth telling is as thin as his grin is disturbing. Bush is lying and the American people aren’t standing for it.
You have lost this argument.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWill if the conduct of many of the current crop of GOPerverts is an indicator. Bush having sex with a boy would be cause for excitement, not anger.
The rogues gallery of GOPerverts is getting long and ugly.
The Foley Party indeed.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI don’t understand the logic used by those who say “Waterboarding isn’t so badâ€
Comment by Carmikl
It causes no harm and it is really effective. Kalid Shiek Mohammad buckled when he was waterboarded. It probably prevented more attacks.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI heartily agree! More muffins for everyone!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pmwaterboarding reichwing trolls is not torture :)
I’ll pull up a chair and watch :)
August 9th, 2007 at 2:23 pmNope, he stole both.
Comment by po
Did Clinton steal it in 92 and 96? Your answer will tell if you are intellectially honest or not.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm“Is there nothing this man can do that would lose the support of the trolls?”
Comment by Jeremy
Actually, there is one thing he could that would cause him to lose the support of the trolls,
….and that would be to function as a sane and resonable leader who looks at his position as an elected representative of the citizens of a democracy.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pmComment by expat — August 9, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
ooh, you’re upset that i didn’t include you, but since you only repeated 2nd grade 7 times, i had to leave you out. Moron.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm‘Haven’t Seen It, We Don’t Torture’
Thank you, M r P ! ! ! !
August 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pmJeremy,
” Ringo? What would it take for you to stop coming to Bush’s defense? ”
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To be honest, I don’t even like President Bush very much. I think he has messed up the occupation in Iraq, he’s wrong on immigration reform and he spends money like a drunken Democrat.
The only reason I post here is because you folks are crazy, rotten fruitcakes who need to be slapped around.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmLet’s waterboard the trolls and see how they like it.
Don’t worry if you kill one or two off the Repukes.
We’re indemnified by Chimpy.
Comment by Tom3
You would use waterboarding on Rebublicans but not members of al qaeda. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmYou have lovely eyes! And, oooooh - that cologne! To die for!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmMarcus Aurelius is a troll. Ignore him.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
You got that right
- Konservo
August 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIt causes no harm and it is really effective. Kalid Shiek Mohammad buckled when he was waterboarded. It probably prevented more attacks.
Comment by Not a Dr. Dog, But I play one on TV — August 9, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
That, or the threat of torturing and murdering his children, led Kalid to give out false information
August 9th, 2007 at 2:25 pmfalse information = buckled and prevented more attacts?
What planet do you live on?
“Ringo, when a lib resorts to personal insults it means they have lost the argument. Good job, man!
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007″
But when Ann Coulter insults someone it is important to look at the point she is making and not what the insult was.
Also, when Republicans use cruel words and insults it is just political hard ball and liberals who complain just want to be politically correct, but when the reverse happens Dildo Bill O’Reilly and David Whore-owtiz scream about the mean, nasty evil liberals.
Funny stuff.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmrotten fruitcakes who need to be slapped around.
Comment by Ringo — August 9, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
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That’s a sad, but true fact. It’s hard to believe that we share a country with these moonbats!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThe only reason I post here is because you folks are crazy, rotten fruitcakes who need to be slapped around.
Comment by Dingo — August 9, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Yea? When are you gonna start doing that?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:27 pmYou got that right
- Konservo
Comment by Habalaarz
Hey Konservo, what’s up, man?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:27 pmMy great-aunt Lilly did that to her husband. It really didn’t make him any better as a person, but the neighbors sure did notice!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“waterboarding”
Is that like a cross between waterskiing and skateboarding???
August 9th, 2007 at 2:27 pmApparently you missed the rest of the sentence. “We do not torture ourselves… over what other people think about us, what the laws might be, or whether there’s a chance we could be wrong about anything.”
August 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pm“The only reason I post here is because you folks are crazy, rotten fruitcakes who need to be slapped around.”
August 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pm-this from a punch drunk troll,, bwhahahahahaa
It’s not as bad as you imagine. The man who undergoes the waterboarding does so voluntarily to show the average American exactly what waterboarding is and when it, if ever, it might be useful.
Comment by Ringo
Ringo, if it’s “not so bad,” then why don’t you lie on the board for a while? No, let me guess–You haven’t done anything wrong, just served as a water boy for Dubya & Co. as they waterboard people, shout down the opposition as “traitors,” and take our fourth amendment rights away from us. Only one person–Chimpy–can now send you or anyone in America away as an “illegal combatant,” and torture them until they die. Chimpy is not required to justify his actions to anyone–no court, no review panel. If this doesn’t trouble you, think about how it WILL trouble you when President (Hillary) Clinton has the power to do so to YOU in 2009.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmHow much did Ringo pay for his mail order bride?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhy do you think Mr Bush bought property in Paraguay? I don’t believe we have an extradition treaty with them. That means even if someone could bring charges against him - he simply splits to So. America. Is that something which makes the usual trolls around here (marcus, ringo, etc) proud of their ‘dear leader’? Bush is so strong and resolute - but will split the moment he has to save his own skin. The man is a coward - always has been. failed at pretty much everything he has done, and then had to go ‘christian’ as a last resort. All hat and no cattle. Really trolls. Are you proud of what this preznit represents? Really?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIn all seriousness: You guys are pussies. Wanna’ dance?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmComment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
Not much, Dr. Dog!
I see that the libtrolls are swarming today!
The Dims are throwing their sh!t everywhere!!!
It’s disgusting.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“Did Clinton steal it in 92 and 96? Your answer will tell if you are intellectially honest or not.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:24 pm”
No he did not!!!!
Did the Dems CAGE voters???
The Republicans have been caught 2x’s before and “promissed” not to do it again…..
This is the THIRD time that they have been caught, and there is PROOF as the caging lists have been turned over to the Congres……
There were 3 MILLION votes challenged by the CAGING and 1 MILLION that were not accepted……
Do you really think that if those 1 MILLION votes were allowed that we would have Bush in office???/
AND NO, before you say “they were from criminals anyway”…… They were LARGELY from MILITARY people, who were black serving in Iraq or Afganistan….
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmI say we Waterboard Ball Licker and y’know…..see what happens.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBut when Ann Coulter insults someone it is important to look at the point she is making and not what the insult was.
Comment by GSD
Liberals make personal insults without making any point whatsoever. There is a distiction, which shows that they lost the argument.
Ringo had hellinabucket check mated. Hellin got frustrated and lashed out. He lost.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFunny Bush and the all Republican Congress spent money like drunken Republicans.
I wonder if they also spent money in rest area bathrooms by offering $ to men for oral sex like the McCain campaign chair in Florida?
Or if they raped young Republican women like the Michigan GOPervert who spoke at the GOPervert convention in 1992?
Or performed oral sex on a sleeping GOP-er like the GOPervert in Indiana?
Not to mention the whoremongering of GOPervert Sen. David Diapers Vitter.
What a pack of degenerates.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBush On Torture Report: ‘Haven’t Seen It, We Don’t Torture and we’ll waterboard anyone who says we do”
August 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThat’s a sad, but true fact. It’s hard to believe that we share a country with these moonbats!
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August 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI say we Waterboard Ball Licker and y’know…..see what happens.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 9, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
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What’s “Waterboard Ball Licker”???
A new Lefty dance???
August 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmYou would use waterboarding on Rebublicans but not members of al qaeda. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
there is no difference between them, except Al Qaeda members seem to have some courage.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmDemented people think that Ann Coulter has a point when she complains about how slow the genocide in Darfur is going.
Or when she calls John Edwards a faggot.
Lot’s of brilliant political points.
No wonder she is 50 and single.
-GSD
August 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pm# 138 Tom
What do you mean by “pretty much” ??????
Of course, if Shrub says we don’t torture, don’t illegally wiretap, etc. Of course I believe in fairies. I do! I do! I do!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:32 pmI’ve had enough fun here for now.
Please continue seething and raging against the machine without me.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThe International Red Cross?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/ editorial/ feature.html?id=110006725
August 9th, 2007 at 2:33 pmI say we Waterboard Habalaarz and y’know….see what happens.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“I never listen to him. He lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies”
He does? Give us an example?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmOf course, we have no idea if anything Kalid Shiek Mohammad said was the truth. We also have no idea how many detainees have been waterboarded who were absolutely innocent.
Just because there was no physical harm doesn’t mean there wasn’t psychological harm. Ask anyone who has come close to drowning how quickly they get over the experience. How many miners who have been trapped underground go back underground after they’ve been rescued?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmNo he did not!!!!
Did the Dems CAGE voters???
Comment by RemoveBush
The Clintons enticed illegal aliens to vote for them in the 92 and 96 elections. There was also massive vote fraud by the liberal group Acorn. The Clintons stole it in 92 and 96, and they will try to do so again in 08.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWasn’t there something in the Bible about “do unto others…”? I guess Bush read a different version. Or maybe there’s an exception if you simply deny the doing.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmJim Wolf359 is a troll. Ignore him.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pmRingo, are you telling me you’re all about needing proof before believing things now?
Comment by Vice President Bush
Or invading countries?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pmHe does? Give us an example?
Comment by michael the stalker — August 9, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
How so?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“he spends money like a drunken Democrat.â€
Comment by Ringo — August 9, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Hey! I resemble that remark!
- Ted Kennedy
August 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmI say hunt down Ringo and Dr. Dogcrap and waterboard them, & then and we’ll settle this argument.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmyes, michael, the international Red Cross compared the USA’s practice of torture to Nazi Germany’s. Only a rightwing rag like the WSJ would defend that horrible practice. the WSJ’s editorial page has been antiAmerican for many years, and would have been one of Hitler’s biggest supporters, like the Bush family was. You are a typical wingnut: party before country, every time. I call that reason, and you a traitor.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmDRxJ, those posts are hilarious!!!
August 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmHe does? Give us an example?
Comment by michael
Last three words of the present thread´s headline. Next.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe Clintons stole it in 92 and 96, and they will try to do so again in 08.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Liar. Go lick your balls.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHow to know when your dealing with someone really…REALLY stupid?
The Clintons enticed illegal aliens to vote for them in the 92 and 96 elections.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmComment by Dr. Do Me Doggie Style — August 9, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Or when she calls John Edwards a faggot.
Lot’s of brilliant political points.
No wonder she is 50 and single.
-GSD
Comment by GSD
She is merely stating a fact about John Edwards.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI say we Waterboard Habalaarz and y’know….see what happens.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 9, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
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Is that a personal threat? I’m pretty sure that is against TP’s Terms of Use. Hold on, let me check.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmthere is no difference between them, except Al Qaeda members seem to have some courage.
Comment by ronjazz — August 9, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
So true.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmor maybe I’m thinking of “whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me.” Ring a bell, anyone? Or do the Republicans simply choose to ignore those teachings of Jesus?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmOh, my interest is piqued, just how did Mr. Clinton steal / rig / fix the 92 or 96 elections? My memory is that in 92 he was the out, out, out, outsider for quite some time. Don’t think the establishment was solidly behind him. 96, he was loved, as that was before Lewinsky. So, come on now, do me some edjumikatin’ so that I can get in touch with my intellectual honesty (I was a little busy in that time period getting a MA in US history and a JD so I might have missed something). How’d he steal those from 41 (no new taxes except this one) and who were those opponents again, I can’t even remember.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHey, There’s a dude in my town who calls himself Dr. Dogcrap. He’ll clean your yard of dog waste for a fee. Raining today Dr. Dog?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:40 pmsay hunt down Ringo and Dr. Dogcrap and waterboard them, & then and we’ll settle this argument.
Comment by headchopper
I’ll waterboard you in my toilet bowl.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmBush lies? it would take a large book to publish them all. sad spectacle of citizens following the lies of a deserter, but not surprising when their ratwing Repukes.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmKinda gives credence to Bill Clinton’s observations about the Edditorial Page of the Murdoch Journal. Not that we didn’t know that. Thanks for the info Mikey.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI’ll waterboard you in my toilet bowl.
Comment by Dr. Doggy Doo — August 9, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
This one time, at band camp…
August 9th, 2007 at 2:42 pmBrittany Hume is a troll. Ignore it.
August 9th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI’ll waterboard you in my toilet bowl.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 9, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Where’s your mom gonna drink from then?
August 9th, 2007 at 2:42 pm