Giuliani ‘Clarifies’ 9/11 Comments: ‘I Was Saying…I’m There With You’
Giuliani ‘Clarifies’ 9/11 Comments: ‘I Was Saying…I’m There With You’
Yesterday, former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani claimed he “was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers…in that sense, I’m one of them.” Election Central obtained video of the comments. Watch it:
After receiving harsh criticism from 9/11 rescue workers, Giuliani attempted to clarify his comments today on conservative Mike Gallagher’s radio show:
“I think I could have said it better,” he told nationally syndicated radio host Mike Gallagher. “You know, what I was saying was, ‘I’m there with you.’” […]
“What I was trying to say yesterday is that I empathize with them, because I feel like I have that same risk,” he said.
“There were people there less than me, people on my staff, who already have had serious health consequences, and they weren’t there as often as I was,” Giuliani said, “but I wasn’t trying to suggest a competition of any kind, which is the way it come across.”
Giuliani’s attempt at mollifying the outrage over his attempt to tie himself to 9/11 rescue workers didn’t satisfy many of his critics:
“He is such a liar, because the only time he was down there was for photo ops with celebrities, with politicians, with diplomats,” said deputy fire chief Jimmy Riches, who spent months digging for his firefighter son.
“On 9/11 all he did was run. He got that soot on him, and I don’t think he’s taken a shower since.”
UPDATE: The Politicker has the audio of Rudy’s radio appearance.
UPDATE II: Watch 9/11 rescue workers John Graham and Reggie Cervantes criticize Giuliani. Both of them appeared in Michael Moore’s SiCKO. For his part, Moore will be hosting a fundraiser for 9/11 rescue workers tomorrow.
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Keep digging Rudy.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe whole country was with them in, in spirit anyway. I know I was, and I live on the west coast. Rudy is starting to self destruct it looks like. I think his presidential chances are heading downhill.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:35 pmRudy Giuliani, America’s Mayor.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“Don’t be upset baby, I’m there for you.”
August 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmGod Bless you, Rudy!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmSpin it however you want, Rudy. The fact is, the real people who worked to find victims’ remains and evidence THINK YOU’RE FULL OF SH*T.
Maybe time to slip into a frilly dress and have a drink with your ex-wife/cousin.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThey’d better move the primaries up…the whole Republican field will implode if they don’t vote soon.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:45 pmKeep talking Rudy, don’t be afraid, you’re doing great. In one week two Republican candidates have written their own negative campaign commercials. Keep up the good work boys.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pmMore smear campaigns waged against America’s mayor.
Lefties will slander anything and anyone who shows promise, for their gutter-trash way of life.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGod Bless you, Rudy!!!
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
You just say that because you like him in a dress…
August 10th, 2007 at 4:48 pmYes he was there with the workers at ground zero, the same way all the chickenhawks are with the troops in Iraq, the way GB feels more pain than anyone else at the death of soldiers.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pmI’m all for God Blessing Rudy. Just don’t make this one trick pony the president.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI’m a male liberal Democrat and I admit that I don’t have any balls.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmIf only the Islamofascists were armed with squeegees–then he would truly be the man to lead.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:53 pmKeep talking Rudy, don’t be afraid, you’re doing great. In one week two Republican candidates have written their own negative campaign commercials. Keep up the good work boys.
Comment by shane — August 10, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Every time that I observe Rudy on TV, in a newspaper or on the internet, I immediately realize that his opponents do not need to resort to negative ads. He makes them on his own. The Dems’ greatest fear is that he could fail to get the top of the Republic ticket.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“What I was trying to say yesterday is that I empathize with them, because I feel like I have that same risk,†he said.”
So, Rudy, are you trying to tell us that you were in there 6-8 hours a day working side by side with the workers breathing the foul air? Or were you there for maybe a 10 minute “meet & greet”? I’m betting on the last one.
Rudy really doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut. He has milked 911 for all it’s worth and he has seriously pissed off the rescue workers, fire fighters and family members of the dead. Spouting off something like this trying to make himself “one of the guys” was a seriously bad move on his part.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI’m a male liberal Democrat and I admit that I don’t have any balls.
Comment by issi12 — August 10, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Oh, Oh, rudy is in drag again! Yet another twisted feared of their own feminized state - republican - projecting his own insecurity! How sad, pathetic and funny - to laugh at!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 4:56 pmPhony JulieAnnie, chalk up another pathetic attempt at posing as a hero.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:57 pmDon’t hurt yourself backpedaling, Rudy…
August 10th, 2007 at 4:58 pm“More smear campaigns waged against America’s mayor.
Lefties will slander anything and anyone who shows promise, for their gutter-trash way of life.”
Yep, those damn lefties will slander Republicans by repeating what they said. How rude of them.
We don’t need to have a smear campaign for these candidates. They are doing the job for us. They are smearing themselves right and left.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmissi12, good for you. come out of the closet. Not like the latest republican leaders getting into trouble looking for balls.
August 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmOh, Oh, rudy is in drag again! Yet another twisted feared of their own feminized state - republican - projecting his own insecurity! How sad, pathetic and funny - to laugh at!!!
Comment by M12IsAntiAmerican — August 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Project much?
August 10th, 2007 at 4:59 pmRudy’s got my vote.
I already have a bumper-sticker on my truck.
Giuliani / Thompson ‘08!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:00 pm“I already have a bumper-sticker on my truck.”
Anyone want to bet his mud flaps have naked ladies on them?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:01 pmS T E P b y S T E P…..S L O W L Y, RUDEE is marching his way into oblivion.
When you get the brave Police and fire men and women against you, you are about one step from “Rudee who?”
August 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pm“They’d better move the primaries up…the whole Republican field will implode if they don’t vote soon.” - Menehune
Too late…
August 10th, 2007 at 5:02 pmEvery time that I observe Rudy on TV, in a newspaper or on the internet, I immediately realize that his opponents do not need to resort to negative ads. He makes them on his own. The Dems’ greatest fear is that he could fail to get the top of the Republic ticket.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 10, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Yes — if the Repubs nominated somebody remotely qualified for the job, we’d actually have to work for the election.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmProject much?
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
He’s your hero in a skirt. So once again, as usual, we have to ask the republican - project much?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI already have a bumper-sticker on my truck.
Giuliani / Thompson ‘08!
Comment by Ringo
Why am I not surprised? A semi-Catholic, crossdressing flip-flopper and a lazy bad B-movie actor. Now that would be a pair to draw to.
And on your truck, too. Got it next to your Dale E. and NRA stickers?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“I already have a bumper-sticker on my truck.” - Ringo
Covering the rust holes?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pmMore smear campaigns waged against America’s mayor.
Lefties will slander anything and anyone who shows promise, for their gutter-trash way of life.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
You take a rather shotgun approach to posting, don’t you? Throw in enough words like “smear”, “slander”, etc. and hope some of it hits the target. You really need to be more focused.
First, reporting VERBATIM what “America’s Mayor” said is not a smear, nor is it slander. Rudy’s looking this bad all on his own.
Second, if you are going to accuse lefties of a “gutter-trash” way of life, please A) back up that accusation with some specifics, and B) explain how it ties into the topic at hand.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“Anyone want to bet his mud flaps have naked ladies on them?” - bilbobaggins
Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo. You feeding those trolls again? :)
p.s. I’ll take your bet. I think his flaps have naked Giulianis on them.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm…and a lazy bad B-movie actor. Now that would be a pair to draw to.
Comment by upside00 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I am pretty sure the corpse of Ronald Reagan isn’t running for president.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pmAnd on your truck, too. Got it next to your Dale E. and NRA stickers?
Comment by upside00
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Never watched a NAScar event in my life….I do have an NRA sticker though, on my wife’s Ford Escape Hybrid.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmLeave Rudy alone! He hasn’t been the same since Donna got his prostrate in the settlement.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“I am pretty sure the corpse of Ronald Reagan isn’t running for president.” - Krazny
Right. The corpse of Ronald Reagan was only allowed to run twice.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmNever watched a NAScar event in my life….I do have an NRA sticker though, on my wife’s Ford Escape Hybrid.
Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Yet you prefer a couple of fakes like Guiliani and Thompson?
BAHAHA, well, you 23%ers are called wingnuts for a reason!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:12 pmDamn.
:|
Maybe we should all just do like the trolls say and shut up for a while and let the republicans keep hanging themselves.
That was one dumbf##$ing thing to say.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:13 pmLeave Rudy alone! He hasn’t been the same since Donna got his prostrate in the settlement.
Comment by Judy Nathan — August 10, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Who got the dress collection?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:13 pmHere we’ve been trying for the last 6 years to help make the neocons look stupid, and now it turns out they don’t need our help.
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August 10th, 2007 at 5:15 pmYet you prefer a couple of fakes like Guiliani and Thompson?
BAHAHA, well, you 23%ers are called wingnuts for a reason!
Comment by MrPIsAClosetCase
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You vote for yor guy (Kucinich?) and I’ll vote for mine.
May the best man win……Yes, I know Hillary’s not a man.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:15 pm“Here we’ve been trying for the last 6 years to help make the neocons look stupid, and now it turns out they don’t need our help.” - BARTLEBEE
I don’t think Rudy’s a neocon, but he is indeed stupid. What’s really telling is he’s probably the strongest candidate the tards have available.
Wow.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:15 pm““Anyone want to bet his mud flaps have naked ladies on them?†- bilbobaggins
Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo. You feeding those trolls again? :)”
I know, I know…it’s just that every once in a while I just can’t resist. But you do have to admit that I rarely indulge.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHe was with the rescue workers before he was against them.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pm“I am pretty sure the corpse of Ronald Reagan isn’t running for president.†- Krazny
Right. The corpse of Ronald Reagan was only allowed to run twice.
Comment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
the corpse only ran once, he was still alive for most of his first term. They pulled a Weekend at Bernies after that
August 10th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYou vote for yor guy (Kucinich?) and I’ll vote for mine.
May the best man win……Yes, I know Hillary’s not a man.
Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
You can belittle the big K all you want, but he doesn’t wear dresses to formal events - nor does he claim to be pro-life while making a fortune lobbying for abortion groups. Nor does he lecture on ‘values’ while cheating on his wife, and being a leader in divorces. He’s a man of principles - more than you can say for any of your GOP losers.
As for your comment about Hillary not being a man. True. But she has a lot bigger ‘b@lls’ than either of the losers you favor!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pmin a round about sort of not really way.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI don’t think Rudy’s a neocon, but he is indeed stupid. What’s really telling is he’s probably the strongest candidate the tards have available.
Wow.
Comment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
And what’s amazing is that the top guy on the Repub polls is a guy who is on his third wife, has committed adultery, and entertained his mistress in his house when his wife and kids were there. I guess the GOP just isn’t into “family values” the way it used to be.
Meanwhile the top three Dems are all still on their first spouses. Whoda thunk it?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:20 pm“Meanwhile the top three Dems are all still on their first spouses.” - missmolly
Sometimes several times a day.
Dems are, after all, the party of passion.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmYou can belittle the big K all you want, but he doesn’t wear dresses to formal events - nor does he claim to be pro-life while making a fortune lobbying for abortion groups. Nor does he lecture on ‘values’ while cheating on his wife, and being a leader in divorces. He’s a man of principles - more than you can say for any of your GOP losers.
Comment by MrPIsAClosetCase
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I didn’t belittle Kucinich….He’s the real thing. I may disagree with him, but I respect him. He seems like a nice guy too - nutty as a snickers bar - but nice.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAnd what’s amazing is that the top guy on the Repub polls is a guy who is on his third wife, has committed adultery, and entertained his mistress in his house when his wife and kids were there.
Comment by missmolly — August 10, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
See Gorn?
I thought those were pre-requisites for being a neocon.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThank goodness there are other candidates from the republican party who stand for true american values.
*cough*Ron Paul*cough*
August 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSometimes several times a day.
Dems are, after all, the party of passion.
Comment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
HAHAHAHA — good one!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:25 pmOh wait. You’re right Gorn. She said he entertained his mistress “while his kids were there”, not “with his kids”.
Ok, maybe he’s not.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmYes — if the Repubs nominated somebody remotely qualified for the job, we’d actually have to work for the election.
Comment by missmolly — August 10, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
If they were remotely qualified they’d be Democrats. Republicans are the pols who can only get elected with lies and deception by the inbred, shit-kicking, bible thumpers.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:26 pmMeanwhile the top three Dems are all still on their first spouses. Whoda thunk it?
Comment by missmolly
Why, missmolly — that’s unfair! Hillary my still be on her first spouse, but her spouse is on everyone else.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmYes — if the Repubs nominated somebody remotely qualified for the job, we’d actually have to work for the election.
Comment by missmolly
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You mean like 2004?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pmRepublicans are the pols who can only get elected with lies and deception by the inbred, shit-kicking, bible thumpers.
Comment by shane — August 10, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
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You got the shit-kicking part right.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:29 pmNever watched a NAScar event in my life….I do have an NRA sticker though, on my wife’s Ford Escape Hybrid.
Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
I always wondered about the identity of the idiot who bought the only Ford Escape Hybrid sold in the US. One could wallpaper the White House with the recall notices.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:30 pmand a lazy bad B-movie actor. Now that would be a pair to draw to.
Comment by upside00 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I am pretty sure the corpse of Ronald Reagan isn’t running for president.
Comment by Krazny — August 10, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Really, has Fred been in any “movies”? Isn’t he just a bad TV actor with recurring guest roles. He’s not even a principal on any of these shows. He’s probably only threatening to run for President in the hopes that he’ll get enough press for somebody to give him a part in a movie. What a loser.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmWow, that’s an awfully questionable ellipses there TP. What he actually said was “I was exposed to exactly the same things that they were exposed to, in that sense, I’m one of them.”
He’s saying he was EXPOSED as much as they were. Not that he was doing the work that they were.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYou got the shit-kicking part right.
Comment by Bingo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
That was a typo. He meant to say shit-eating.
Not kicking.
Eating.
:D
August 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe republican strategy in 2008 will not be to vote for their candidate.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pmTheir strategy will be to Vote AGAINST the Democrat…and they have their Smear Machine loaded, and pointed right at Hillary.
Shit-shovelling works well too.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:32 pm“You got the shit-kicking part right.” - Ringo
Fortunately yours is protected by your skull.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmThere are no qualified Republicans running. Until the Sen. from N. Dakota enters. Hagel could clean up the party of irrational reaction. That’s the GOP for you CT.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmOne could wallpaper the White House with the recall notices.
Comment by WaltTheMan
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I’ve received no recall…..The car drives great, gets 40MPG on city streets.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:33 pmLeave Rudy alone! He hasn’t been the same since Donna got his prostrate in the settlement.
Comment by Judy Nathan — August 10, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Who got the dress collection?
Comment by MrPIsAClosetCase — August 10, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Duh, he gave up the prostrate so he could keep the dresses.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmand they have their Smear Machine loaded, and pointed right at Hillary.
Comment by Badger — August 10, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Good.
Since she won’t be the nominee they’ll be off target.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmWhy, missmolly — that’s unfair! Hillary my still be on her first spouse, but her spouse is on everyone else.
Comment by Judy Nathan — August 10, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
You have a point. Whoda thunk the Repubs would be looking like Bill Clinton?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmFortunately yours is protected by your skull.
Comment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
:D
August 10th, 2007 at 5:34 pmYou have a point. Whoda thunk the Repubs would be looking like Bill Clinton?
Comment by missmolly — August 10, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Clinton got laid a lot by lots of different women.
That doesn’t equate to Juliani’s prostitutes.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThe rescue workers of 9-11 are heroes due to their selfless acts of courage. Guliani tried to portray himself as a hero. He is no hero. He is a desperate politician who will say anything to win. He crossed the line.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pm#62: He’s saying he was EXPOSED as much as they were. Not that he was doing the work that they were.
So Rudy Giuliani, who only went down to Ground Zero for photo-ops designed to exploit 9-11 for political gain, had the same exposure as workers who spent a year sifting through the debris? You think that’s an accurate statement?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by hellinabucket — August 10, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
I can’t accept the same demmy assessment of electoral prospects, when the same one was used in 2004.
Americans may be tired of GW Bush, but they aren’t tired of Republicans.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmHe’s saying he was EXPOSED as much as they were. Not that he was doing the work that they were.
Comment by EvilCornbread — August 10, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
He wasn’t even exposed as much as they were. Not unless he put in as many hours as they did and toted as much debris.
He’s just claiming that he was “exposed” to the “same” stuff. Pretty lame comparison, I’d say. Big difference between brief exposure for the cameras and constant exposure day in and day out.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:39 pmIts typical republican hubris Probus (ow).
Bush talks about war and how tough it is for him while others are doing the dying.
Bush takes office in a squeaker and calls it a mandate.
Its HUBRIS. Right wingnut hubris.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmSince she won’t be the nominee they’ll be off target.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
I agree they’ll be off target. The Republicans expect And WANT Hillary. I’m not so sure she won’t get the nomination. It’s her’s to lose.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIf she stumbles, a lot of Republican lightnening rod ammunition is out the window.
Right. The corpse of Ronald Reagan was only allowed to run twice.
Comment by gorn by any other name
HILARIOUS!! Aren’t these the guys who hate “Hollywood types.” Yet, we got 8 years of incompetent Ronnie and now they’re all in love with Fred Thompson??
August 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThat doesn’t equate to Juliani’s prostitutes.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Does Rudy pay the prostitutes or does he play the prostitute?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#67: Until the Sen. from N. Dakota enters. Hagel could clean up the party of irrational reaction.
Senator Hagel is from Nebraska. And he is every bit as spineless as the rest of the corrupt, immoral Republican Party.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmAmericans may be tired of GW Bush, but they aren’t tired of Republicans. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Sure they are. Read a poll sometime.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:41 pmClinton got laid a lot by lots of different women.
That doesn’t equate to Juliani’s prostitutes.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Excellent point — as far as we know, Bill never had to pay for it. Furthermore, Bill never pontificated to the Bible Belt about marital fidelity, nor did he condemn anyone else for the same sins he was committing (yes, Newt — your ears should be burning).
August 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThis week alone, we’ve had two prime examples of that Hubris.
First Mitt Romney compares his sons campaign work to serving in the hell that is Iraq.
Now we’ve got Quasimoto here, telling us he spent more time at ground zero than the rescue workers who dug through the rubble and muck 18 hours a day 7 days a week.
Hubris beyond belief.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmRudy will be a has-been within 3 months. His only platform is his status as the “hero of 911″, which is a total fabrication. It’s fun watching his “hero” persona come unravelled so quickly!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Laura Bush once said that she thought her husband suffered just as much as the soldiers on the ground in Iraq. That he felt their pain. Her comments were offensive.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmBill also never married his cousin. How’d that work out for Guiliani??
August 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIf it comes down to Giuliani / Thompson vs any of the current Dems, the Democrats will be crushed.
Gore may be your only hope.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIf it comes down to Giuliani / Thompson vs any of the current Dems, the Democrats will be crushed.
Gore may be your only hope.
Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
BAHAHAHA, that isn’t a crystal ball you’re look at, it’s Glenn Murphy’s!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmEven if Hilary were to get the nomination, she’d cream anyone on the right wing ticket.
Can you imagine one of those rubes in a debate with her?
She’d murder em.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pm#76: Americans may be tired of GW Bush, but they aren’t tired of Republicans.
That’s not what the polls say. According to a June 2007 poll, by a 52% to 31% margin, Americans say they want Democrats to win the presidency next year.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by MrPIsAClosetCase — August 10, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Sure they’re not. Try sleeping with Saddam’s corpse less often.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pmRingo must be looking at “The Math.” Didn’t work too well for you in 2006 either.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhy do lefties want to make voting decisions for the people?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pmHilary may be many things but shes got something that the right wing scarecrows can only long for.
Brains.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
I agree they’ll be off target. The Republicans expect And WANT Hillary. I’m not so sure she won’t get the nomination. It’s her’s to lose.
If she stumbles, a lot of Republican lightnening rod ammunition is out the window.
Comment by Badger — August 10, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Hillary should lose, her campaign manager seems to use the KKKarl Rove play book. He makes stuff up and keeps repeating it until people start to believe it. Hillary is a Republican who married a Democrat. She is no Bill Clinton, she’s just taken some of his campaign wisdom to use as her own.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Where did you find that poll?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:48 pmAmericans may be tired of GW Bush, but they aren’t tired of Republicans.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
I agree that they aren’t necessarily tired of Republicans, but they’re tired of the current batch, and they are VERY tired of the Iraq war.
Yet the GOP contestants vying for the crown at the moment are all hawkish on the war and attempting to convince Americans that “if we don’t win in Iraq, we will have terrorists on Main Street USA” — and nobody is buying that anymore.
I’m surprised Ron Paul isn’t doing better. He’s a staunch libertarian, against the war, and for fiscal responsibility. He represents what the GOP used to be.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:48 pmAccording to a June 2007 poll, by a 52% to 31% margin, Americans say they want Democrats to win the presidency next year.
Comment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
That’s probably even enough to beat the unbalanced Electoral College — a system that favors the smaller states, which traditionally vote GOP.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pm#89: If it comes down to Giuliani / Thompson vs any of the current Dems, the Democrats will be crushed.
That’s not what the polls say. Giuliani runs about even with Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. Thompson runs about even with Clinton, and loses handily to either Obama or Edwards.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI agree that they aren’t necessarily tired of Republicans
Comment by missmolly — August 10, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I agree too.
Americans are not necessarily tired of Republicans.
They’re FED UP with them.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#98: Where did you find that poll?
Here.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWe’ll see.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWhy do lefties want to make voting decisions for the people?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
Because we’re a democracy, and there are more of us than you?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#95: Why do lefties want to make voting decisions for the people?
You want to clarify this ridiculous, straw-man question?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pmI’m tired of the Republicans too….but I’m completely disgusted by the Democrats.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:54 pm“If it comes down to Giuliani / Thompson vs any of the current Dems, the Democrats will be crushed.” - Ringo
Really?
Wall Street Journal poll, 7/30/07
Clinton 47%
Giuliani 41%
Financial Dynamics poll, 7/22/07
Democratic candidate 51%
Republican candidate 27%
Fox News poll, 7/17
Clinton 46%
Giuliani 41%
or
Clinton 47%
Thomson 38%
GW University poll, 7/18
Democtratic candidate 49%
Republican candidate 38%
Gore may be your only hope.
CBS/NYT, 7/17
Democtratic candidate 47%
Republican candidate 32%
Zogby, 7/14
Clinton 47%
Giuliani 41%
or
Clinton 48%
Thomson 41%
I’m getting tired of typing. Pick your poison, Ringo.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI’m tired of the Republicans too….but I’m completely disgusted by the Democrats. Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
That’s just because you’re an immoral person, that hates good government. Why do you hate America so much? Was it the first Beatles tour?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmNo Dingo. We’v already seen.
Last election not ONE democrat lost his seat. Not ONE. And thats just the beginning. Sometimes Americans are a little slow to come around, but once they figure it out, look out bad guys. And they know now you’re the bad guys.
The time for honoring yourselves will soon be at an end.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:55 pmWhy do lefties want to make voting decisions for the people?
Comment by Cu#T_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
You mean like Katherine Harris? Or the RNC?
You mean like that?
August 10th, 2007 at 5:57 pmComment by MrPIsAClosetCase — August 10, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
You’re not “the people.” You are all America-hating foreign objects.
Nobody invited you to the club.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#99: I’m surprised Ron Paul isn’t doing better. He’s a staunch libertarian, against the war, and for fiscal responsibility. He represents what the GOP used to be.
You’re thinking too rationally. The modern Republican Party is not the same as the Republican Party of 30 years ago, or even 10 years ago. It is a frightened, cowardly, corrupt, angry party that has thrown away things that it once valued: civil liberties, integrity, and accountability in government. What it stands for now is the maintenance of its own power base, and little else. Someone like Ron Paul may have appealed to many Republicans 30 years ago, but he’s a fringe character in today’s Republican Party.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:58 pmSorry, in my post I left the text “Gore may be your only hope” in by accident of cut/paste.
However, to address the point, I’d much prefer Gore. I think plenty of people agree. Then, you’d be looking at a landslide rather than a mere a$$-whupping.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:58 pmYou mean like Katherine Harris? Or the RNC?
You mean like that?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Well said! Ohio 2004 comes to mind, too.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWe’ll see.
Comment by Dingo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
No, I’m afraid you’ll never see.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
You mean, like taking every voting decision to court because it doesn’t represent your hypothetical “New America” ?
I’m sure the lefties will boot up the lawyers office again in 2008 to try again to ensure their fixed results.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:59 pm“You are all America-hating foreign objects.” - CT v2
I think it’s time for a software upgrade. v2 seems to have some kind of viral infection resulting in spurious output.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by Vet — August 10, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
All invented scandals, which you lefties are degreed at compiling.
Nothing proven, no criminal charges filed, no rulings in your favor, nothing documented. So in the eyes of the law, you are all weak, rogue, and overzealous prosecutors.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#112: You’re not “the people.†You are all America-hating foreign objects.
Increasingly–and in no small part due to the hateful rhetoric of Republicans like you–Americans are turning away from the Republican Party and discovering that the Democratic Party represents their views, and their interests, better than the Republican Party does. Increasingly, the Democratic Party is “the people.” We don’t hate America; we ARE America.
Nobody invited you to the club.
Fortunately, we didn’t have to be invited. America is not a country club, thank God. That’s why I’m proud to be an American.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:03 pmDiebold has already been proven to be corrupted. I know this for a fact, as do hundreds of thousands of computer security experts in this country.
Which is why when Bush seized power by stealing the Floridian electoral votes, (helps when your brothers the Govenor of the deciding state, and the woman put in charge of the recount also happens to be the chairman of the commitee to elect you) one of his first orders of business was to order the indroduction of computerized voting for HIS upcoming re-election.
You serve a devil, and you’re more the devil for it.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:05 pmNothing proven, no criminal charges filed, no rulings in your favor, nothing documented.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Funny, I thought you were talking about proof of WMDS in Iraq.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#115: You mean like Katherine Harris? Or the RNC?
You mean like that? […]
Well said! Ohio 2004 comes to mind, too.
I would also add the tens of thousands of black voters in Florida purged from the voting rolls before the 2000 election on spurious charges that they were felons. All documented.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNothing proven, no criminal charges filed, no rulings in your favor, nothing documented. So in the eyes of the law, you are all weak, rogue, and overzealous prosecutors.
Comment by C$NT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
You ARE the law you feckless thug!
The REICH WING ARE THE COURTS! You’re like a Nazi, telling a Jew he got fair treatment. You hold the keys to power, then bemoan us when we expose your corruption because YOUR courts, which you STACKED, and ADMITTED YOU STACKED, refuse to rule against you.
We KNOW that the Florida State Police, which is controlled by the Govenor, who we know is the brother to the man running for President in 2000, set up roadblocks outside of broward county Florida, on ELECTION NIGHT, on the only road leading out of an ALL DEMOCRAT DISTRICT, keeping 16,000 DEMOCRAT Voters, who also happened to be Black, from VOTING.
We KNOW THIS.
Just because the NAZI PIGS you put into power won’t convict THEMSELVES, doesn’t mean judgements not coming.
Keep laughing skippy, because in the end, it always ends badly for guys like you.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:11 pmReal bad.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:12 pm“Nothing proven, no criminal charges filed, no rulings in your favor, nothing documented. So in the eyes of the law, you are all weak, rogue, and overzealous prosecutors.” - CT v2
Easy to do when you control the judiciary and the AG is a crony of the worst order.
Go for that upgrade before it’s too late.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“Funny, I thought you were talking about proof of WMDS in Iraq.” - Juan C
zzzzzzziiiiinggggggggggggggg!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe beginning of the Guiliani foot in mouth disease…
Can’t wait till he travels his road show to the deep south.
They will just LOVE him!!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRemember what the Jews did to the Kapo’s.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:17 pm#128: Can’t wait till he travels his road show to the deep south.
They will just LOVE him!!!!
Sadly, some of them will. Giuliani is pretty skilled at projecting that “real man” shtick that many angry white southerners love. Never mind that he is, in fact, a cowardly little boy who’ll need to torture detainees to make himself feel manly.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:20 pm#124: I’m not really buying the Republicans=Nazis thing. Too many differences for me to be comfortable with that comparison.
If you’d said that Republicans are fascists, however, I’d generally agree. Fascists believe in an authoritarian, centralized government in which political power and corporate power are one, and which usually features a bellligerent and fiercely nationalistic brand of patriotism. I’d say that fits today’s Republican Party to a tee.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:25 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Comment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Actually, the shape of the legal system in this country is fair, it is all in good shape. The judicial system is in fair condition.
Is the idea coming from you lefties always to mingle with the demographics when it doesn’t appeal to the few of you? Take a step back. You will not have prosecutions/convictions predetermined according to your lefty political agenda.
America’s fine just the way it is, thank you very much.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:27 pmActually, the shape of the legal system in this country is fair, it is all in good shape. The judicial system is in fair condition. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
No thinks to crazy wingnuts like you, and the recent partisan judicial activists you guys have appointed! You’ve done your best to shred the constitution - you totalitarianists!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:29 pmAmerica’s fine just the way it is, thank you very much.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Yet you wingnuts always whine about the moral decline, and how bad things suck. Bunch of schizophrenics!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:29 pmHey, Gorn, sorry about my comment a couple of days ago.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Oh, and it’s the right of any president to “stack the courts,” or choose any judicial nominee and subject that nominee to Senate approval.
When it comes down to it, you are insulting the American voter.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:30 pmActually, the shape of the legal system in this country is fair, it is all in good shape. The judicial system is in fair condition.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Three times the same idea in those 2 sentences. That seems you want to convince yourself.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#132: Is the idea coming from you lefties always to mingle with the demographics when it doesn’t appeal to the few of you? Take a step back. You will not have prosecutions/convictions predetermined according to your lefty political agenda.
That is totally incoherent.
America’s fine just the way it is, thank you very much.
You have an idea of what “America” is that bears little resemblance to what America actually is. Americans favor–by large margins–universal health care, a phased withdrawal from the Iraq quagmire, and accountability in government. That is the real America, and that is the America we’ll have when we boot the corrupt Republican dead-enders out of office.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by MrPIsAClosetCase — August 10, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Yeah, well some homes will have their unwelcome visitors. We’re taking care of that.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pm“America’s fine just the way it is, thank you very much.” - CT v2
It’s about as perfect as your current operational software. Time to upgrade, glitchboy.
Thanks for all those strawmen, but I think I’ll pass. Anyone who thinks its ok having an AGUS operating as the whore of the party in power is not worth a debate.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by Juan C — August 10, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Repeated all for emphasis, as it is true and fair.
The American voter selects the president, the president selects the nominees, and the nominees are subject to confirmation by the Senate, whos members are also selected by the American voter. Nothing corrupt there.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“Hey, Gorn, sorry about my comment a couple of days ago.” - Juan C
No apology needed, amigo. It was a mere misstatement.
We work together to slay the Beast!
August 10th, 2007 at 6:35 pm#136: Oh, and it’s the right of any president to “stack the courts,†or choose any judicial nominee and subject that nominee to Senate approval.
This is basically true. It is also true that Americans have–at least in theory–the right to vote out of office presidents who abuse this privilege. We’ll never know whether or not Americans exercised this right in the 2004 election, since we’ll never know whether or not their votes were counted fairly or accurately. The exit polls suggest that they were not.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:36 pmComment by gorn by any other name — August 10, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
You’ve been posting for all this time, yet you’ve said nothing whatsoever, just bursting out with cheap, unsubstantiated denial.
Thanks for coming.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#141: The American voter selects the president, the president selects the nominees, and the nominees are subject to confirmation by the Senate, whos members are also selected by the American voter. Nothing corrupt there.
All true, assuming that the electoral process is itself free from corruption. In the case of the 2000 and 2004 elections, this was not the case.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:37 pmYesterday Joe Biden introduced the idea of going after Bush and the rest of the Hole in the Head Gang, AFTER they are out of office. While many here are upset with that, as it seems to omit impeachment, I think Biden knows what he’s doing. Impeachment will come I think, but we’ve got to give the republican rats no where else to vote. And
Bush is a criminal. He surrounded himself with criminals. His own CHEIF POLICY ADVISOR was ARRESTED because he was the head of a SHOPLIFTING RING!
Gonzales was told by the Attorney General of the United States that his master spying program was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. A president is sworn to uphold the constitution, and failure to do so is impeachable.
And no, its not permissable to remove a sitting federal prosecutor to interfere with his prosecution of republicans. Don’t worry inbred C$nT.
All this will be explained to you shortly.
Just keep dancin.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:38 pmOne could wallpaper the White House with the recall notices.
Comment by WaltTheMan
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I’ve received no recall…..The car drives great, gets 40MPG on city streets.
Comment by Ringo — August 10, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
That is surprising! There have been 7 recall notices since the model was introduced (My sister-in-law has one and has to floor it in order to get through a fresh green-light.). If your wife gets 40 MPH, she must only coast downhill. The new EPA rating (On stickers in October.) for city is 31 MPG city, 38 MPG highway, 33 MPG overall.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:39 pmComment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
All hypothetical. And here’s a newsflash: that “progressive majority” report has been thoroughly debunked. It’s not groundbreaking, so I wouldn’t rely on that by measure of any political leaning.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#146: A president is sworn to uphold the constitution, and failure to do so is impeachable.
I agree. I think, in fact, that it would be a terrible mistake NOT to impeach Bush.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:41 pmOnce Bushs lawyer who was also his accomplice was told that his spying program was unconstitutional by the attorney general, and he CONTINUED, he was guilty of a CRIMINAL ACT.
A CRIME.
So Bush FIRED the Attorney General, and made his an accomplice Attorney General.
These aren’t leaders.
They’re Gangsters.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:42 pmComment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
I would need that proof from a fair judge, whom we certainly have at least a number of on the federal bench.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:44 pm#148: And here’s a newsflash: that “progressive majority†report has been thoroughly debunked.
By whom? The Heritage Foundation? If so, I’ll take my chances.
It’s not groundbreaking, so I wouldn’t rely on that by measure of any political leaning.
I wouldn’t, either. I rely on results, such as the 2006 election. And I rely on my observations of the people around me. My gut feeling is that a certain percentage of Republican voters–maybe 20% of the total electorate, including yourself–would stand by Bush and the Republican Party if they all ate live babies on national television at the RNC Convention, convinced that it was some sort of liberal conspiracy. The rest of the country, however–slowly, surely, inextricably–is moving away from the Republican Party because they are coming to see how corrupt and morally bankrupt it is. This gives me some hope, but I take nothing for granted. The 2008 election is far from a sure thing at this point, especially since the electoral system has not yet been protected from tampering.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#151: I would need that proof from a fair judge, whom we certainly have at least a number of on the federal bench.
So, you would take the judgment of a Bush political appointee over the sworn testimony of literally thousands of African-American voters in Florida, as well as countless other observers? Just checking to be sure I understand your perspective.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:49 pm“You’ve been posting for all this time, yet you’ve said nothing whatsoever, just bursting out with cheap, unsubstantiated denial.” - CV v2
That’s ok. I don’t pretend to be deep, unlike know it all gassbag trollbots.
Time for that upgrade, and maybe a little WD-40 under the hood while you’re at it…
August 10th, 2007 at 6:55 pmOne of the reasons Rudy was so prepared for 911 is because homeland security set up shop on 9/9 or 9/10. What’s up with that coincidence, Rudy??
August 10th, 2007 at 6:55 pm“Thanks for coming.” - CV v2
Not for you, or any other Republitard.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:57 pmSo, you would take the judgment of a Bush political appointee over the sworn testimony of literally thousands of African-American voters in Florida, as well as countless other observers? Just checking to be sure I understand your perspective.
Comment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
We don’t need a judge for that. Its a matter of public record. Florida state police set up a road block outside of broward county Florida, stopping traffic for miles, keeping 16,000 DEMOCRATS from reaching the polls.
The State Police are commanded by the GOVENOR.
The Govenor is the BROTHER of the man running for President.
The night of his BROTHERS ELECTION, the State Police set up a road block on the only road leading out of an ALL DEMOCRAT district.
16,000 DEMOCRAT VOTERS are KEPT FROM VOTING.
Then the Govenors brother wins the election by 537 VOTES!!!
FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN VOTES!!!!!
And the woman in charge of recount?
Why, they appointed the woman who was the CHAIRMAN of the COMITTEE to ELECT THE GOVENORS BROTHER!!!
The election was a SHAM. Worthy of a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
Anyone who says otherwise needs his head kicked in.
August 10th, 2007 at 6:58 pmAnd lets not forget who CALLED the election for Bush.
What famous news figure called the election for Bush? Dan Rather? Peter Jennings? Nope.
HIS COUSIN.
BUSH’S COUSIN called the election.
Worthy of a third world country.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#157: I agree with all of that, except the part about kicking their heads in.
Maybe we could repeatedly dunk their heads in the toilet, to give them the impression of drowning? After all, that isn’t torture, by their definition.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmAnd just to be clear, Bill O’Reilly, I don’t actually, literally, advocate dunking anyone’s head in the toilet.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:02 pmAnyone who thinks that Bush won in 2000 should tie a rope around the highest beam in their garage, and HANG THEMSELVES, like the traitors to America that they are.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI agree with all of that, except the part about kicking their heads in.
Maybe we could repeatedly dunk their heads in the toilet, to give them the impression of drowning? After all, that isn’t torture, by their definition.
Comment by Jim — August 10, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Well I was speaking figuratively Jim, of course, but I’d be down for the toilet dunking thingy.
It’d make great reality tv.
August 10th, 2007 at 7:04 pm#162: Well I was speaking figuratively Jim, of course[.]
I know. Sometimes, though, people pick up on a comment like that and assume progressives all want to kick Republicans’ heads in. I mean, sometimes I get frustrated and angry with them, but I’d never actually do that. And I know you wouldn’t, either.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI’d vote for a sanitation worker before I’d vote for this phoney. People arn’t as stupid as you, rudy.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pm#164: People arn’t as stupid as you, rudy.
I wish that were true. Fact is, a lot of very stupid people think that Rudy Giuliani is a real man, and therefore would make a good President.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:06 pmgod d@mn, what kind of unimaginable bs is this guy made of? i mean, really, saying he was there more then the workers?
and to #162, i totally agree. im all for going back to the high school methods of torture to beat sense into the reps heads. or just for fun, but then again, im a bit sadistic like that.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:10 pmOpportunist Scum.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pmRomney gave his own little soundbyte for us all to exploit.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:02 amRomney 2 months ago:
http://www.press-citizen.com/ apps/ pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/ 20070809/ NEWS01/ 708090322/ 1079
August 11th, 2007 at 1:04 amhttp://www.rockymountainnews.com/ drmn/ news_columnists/ article/ 0,1299,DRMN_86_5590783,00.html
Giuliani, Big on Terror, Not on Evidence
We Are Change
Thursday Aug 23, 2007
Rudy Giuliani attended a fund raiser in Brooklyn at a jewish community center. His speech was mainly focused on, you guessed it, the war on terror. He made fun of Michael Moore’s new movie “Sicko” and denounced it with Pro-American HealthCare sentiments. However he failed to mention what he would do for the 1st Responders who are dieing by the thousands.
His speech was big on terror, but when it came time to discuss the evidence like the recent member of his own administration who has gone public, Michael Haas, he was deaf. Mr. Haas describes explosions in the lower level of WTC Building 7 before the towers collapse. He said he was told to get out of the command center in building 7 and he didn’t make it down the stairwell soon enough when around the 8th floor the stairwell blew up. He witnessed the lobby area completely blown out and was told not to look at the dead bodies as he left.
Rudy also didn’t want to answer questions about evidence provided by NY FireFighter John Schroeder which completely shatters the official story. Rudy wasn’t the only politician who didn’t want to hear about evidence, NY State Senator Marty Golden was also in attendance. He also fled when we asked him about the recent video by John and the statements taken by Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen from 503 firefighters and paramedics from the FDNY. In total there are 12,000 pages of evidence that the 9/11 Commission just flat out ignored.
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These politicians are saying to the people who risked their lives on 9/11, we don’t care what you saw. We don’t care about the truth constituents. We don’t care about justice for the family members. Who cares if Osama Bin Laden is no longer wanted for the crimes of 9/11 (See his wanted poster on fbi.gov today).
History has now recorded these politicians and their staff for all time.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pm