‘War Czar’: Military draft is on the table.
In an interview with NPR, the White House’s “war czar” Gen. Doug Lute said that “it makes sense to certainly consider” a military draft. “I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table, but ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation’s security by one means or another.” Listen to it:
Center for American Progress analysts Lawrence Korb and Max Bergmann wrote recently, “Considering the current state of the Army, if the president wants to sustain a substantial number of U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the next 18 months, he should call for reinstating the draft. … Yet the president will never call for the draft. He knows the country would never support the level of sacrifice for this war that implementing a draft would demand.”
Listen to the full interview of Lute here.
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YAY Sign up Trolls!
August 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmQuestions for the trolls:
a) Do you support a universal draft?
b) If you answered no to the first question, then how do you suggest we win what you regard to be WWIII against the terrorists?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pm“Considering the current state of the Army, if the president wants to sustain a substantial number of U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the next 18 months, he should call for reinstating the draft. … Yet the president will never call for the draft.
Okay. So what’s the point of this thread?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:08 pmSo what’s the point of this thread?
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
I’m sure that no amount of explaining will ever make you understand what this thread is about.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:09 pmthis aint no war for us republicans to fight. Let the mis-fortunate do it.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:11 pmOkay. So what’s the point of this thread?
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
P, what you going to do if Dick is dumb enough to bomb Iran? Bombing means nothing without ground troops, and to me it looks like our forces are a days drive from say an Iranian retaliation. Personally I think those of you of draft age better seriously consider the stuff you cheer for. Even a big escalation of violence in Iraq, and they’re going to either have to withdraw, or start the draft.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIn an interview with NPR, the White House’s “war czar†Gen. Doug Lute said….
Oh yeah, War Czar, I remember that episode. Something about hiring some sap to take over as C in C but not, like, actually say so. Took ‘em a while to come up with anyone stupid enough to take the job. Boy he sure went from New Jesus to Nonentity fast didn’t he.
Please dear Patreus in heaven, we beseech Thee, rescue us from the utter collapse of credibility we have wrought upon ourselves. Surely You will hear our cries and come unto us with yet more Friedmans unto the end of time. For you are truly our New Jesus. For the moment.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIf the thugs in Washington go that route—instituting a draft to fight all the wars they need to fill their bloodlust—that would probably be the beginning of the end for them.
As long as most people can go about their daily lives, they can easily ignore the senseless blood and death. But PERSOANLIZE IT, and everything changes.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:15 pmThe American people support an all-volunteer military. That’s how an educated, well-prepared military is sustained.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pmIt’s about time they backed up their mission appropriately.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmThis will, if presented seriously, end the Bush Gang control of the Whitehouse and most of the Republicans in Congress. There is no way even the Red States will support a Draft (unless only registered Democrats are drafted).
Bush is already radioactive to all the Republican Presidential candidates and this will just force them, and Republican members of Congress, to call for an end to the war.
Go for it….
August 10th, 2007 at 8:22 pmComment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
Another good point. No amnesty, and citizenship is lost if you flee.
That wouldn’t make the lefties happy. They would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:22 pmThe American people support an all-volunteer military. That’s how an educated, well-prepared military is sustained.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
And when a country is at war, and serious about winning one, you have a draft, and even then sometimes as history shows, no matter how many of the enemy you kill, they keep coming.
An all volunteer army is great for small interventions, or part of a large multi-national force. Even many of the “Coalition” have left, or will be leaving soon. Now what ya gonna do? Recruitment is not even meeting it’s goals.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmNow this will get the masses into the streets… if not start the revolution.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmBut but but but–wait a sec. Isn’t this The Struggle of Our Generation? The War to End Evil? Yes, truly our very future hangs upon success in Iraq.
Institute a draft??? Whaddyou nuts??? That would blow the lid right off of this thing.
Criminy, the warmongers don’t even get out there and urge kids to voluntarily enlist, as a matter of patriotic duty. The elephant–hell, the blue whale–in the living room. If they really believed any of their own belicose b.s., they wouldn’t be just giving voice to lofty visions of 100 Years of Glorious War, they’d be out there urgently putting the case for enlistment and young men to join the Noble Enterprise. I’ve never heard anything remotely resembling such a call from the AWOL Codpiece or 5-Deferments Shotgun Boy. Let alone any of the warbloviators online. Christ, guys who turned up with 4-F deferments in WWII were subject to all kinds of (unfair, but real) ostracism. Being of age and not being in uniform was a matter of real, universal shame.
Should be the same now, if this really IS the Grand War To End All Badness that it’s hyped as. But it ain’t.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pmTrue, but if we are needed to provide our expertise for the military, and they request our input, I am more than willing to help out.
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Yah hiding & fear are two things you know a lot about! Somehow I think you’ll end up on the front lines with an M16, and maybe body armor.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pmToo many see through this profiteering over what the thugs want us to believe is war. No way are the masses going to take a draft from these liars… And Cheney is threatening Iran… INSANE…. It is the thugs and their children’s turn to waste their blood over this nonsense.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThey would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.
Comment by CT_Version 2
YAWN. The troll “pin your idiotic imagination on others game” is so lame, so old, so childish and so not effective.
When are you trollips going to get serious?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmRestart the draft? There will be massive civil protest by day, and riots by night, as 70% of America unleashes its fury at Boy-in-a-bubble Bush, for lying to them, to trick them into backing his endless, insanely expensive war.
OK by me.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pmI think that some of the commentors here see the instatement of a draft as a strategic move, secretly hoping that it will cause America to surrender. -P
I think your making a Freudian slip and are actually posting YOUR desire.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:29 pmComment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
That’s good, Mr. P.
On my part, I would never run off to hiding if called (e.g., Canada), and probably wouldn’t care to sift throught the deferment system, either. Therefore, I’d be up and ready to serve in any branch and in any capacity (preferably the Marines).
August 10th, 2007 at 8:30 pmWhen are you trollips going to get serious?
Comment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Somehow I don’t think until the bullets are flying over their heads, or they just watched their buddy bleed to death, or they just saw the results of some 500lb bomb maiming innocent people. Those being the ones theys keep telling us they’re trying to free. Oh they like to act all tough behind their keyboards, when in reality we all know they’re really the biggest cowards, and most un-Americans on the planet.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
If you’ve been on previous threads, there’s been plenty of talk of recruiting the Bush twins and other kids of rich of Republicans. Yet, lefties talk of an “apolitical government.”
*YAWN* I’m tired of repeating myself to slow people.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — Yeah — Comment by p
Stop talking to yourself, you psycho.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmFrom another thread about WHY people who want to discuss TROLL-FREE are leaving TP:
Geez… the Dems want to escape from reality so much that they are starting a secret club!!!
No, they want INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION on topics of GREAT IMPORTANCE, such as Bush being a TRAITOR to the USA, which he IS
and they are tired of people like yourself who diddle themselves to mental images of AWOL coward TRAITOR Bush in his aircraft-carrier flight suit…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
August 10th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThat wouldn’t make the lefties happy. They would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
No, we’d like to see children of Republicans SERVE. Jenna and not Jenna for starters, maybe a couple of Romneys. Why must the blood of the poor be spilled for this administration to bathe in? Reinstate the draft, let Mr. Pee serve and then we can argue about “friendly fire,” “murder,” or “justifiable homicide,” just like the Tillman case!
August 10th, 2007 at 8:36 pmRestart the draft? There will be massive civil protest by day, and riots by night, as 70% of America unleashes its fury at Boy-in-a-bubble Bush, for lying to them, to trick them into backing his endless, insanely expensive war.
OK by me.
Comment by Arthur C.
massive civil protest ???… we may see riots… people are pissed as it is and this may spark more than just protests… either way I am ready
August 10th, 2007 at 8:36 pm“CT_Version_2″
You would go, in your word - “honorably” (i.e, no exploiting the deferrement system) if drafted, but apparently no interest in volunteering right now …
Why the distinction?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:37 pmGeez… the Dems want to escape from reality so much that they are starting a secret club!!!
Idiot wingnut troll thinks an online forum = reality? No wonder right wingers can’t win wars!
August 10th, 2007 at 8:37 pm*YAWN* I’m tired of repeating myself to slow people.
Comment by CT_Version 2
The fact is many people dodge the draft thru college deferments putting the load of war on less fortunate persons shoulders.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:40 pm[Political idiotology aside]
Gen. Lute has NOT ruled out reinstating the draft. This is NOT because the military is easily meeting it’s recruiting goals. This is a recognition that our troops are being s t r e t c h e d to the point where military options are no longer options. The generals know this….our enemies know this. Bush has squandered our greatest military asset….The THREAT of Military Action.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmSurrender is a Republican frame which casts the occupation of Iraq as a battle situation; it is not. The battle ended a long time ago - “Mission Accomplished”. What we’re in now is an occupation in the middle of a civil war. A occupation ends with withdrawal not surrender, and it cannot end soon enough.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIf they reinstitute the draft, start with the five Romney boys. They can be this war’s version of the “Fighting Sullivans”.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:45 pmDoes p stand for a big p—y sounds like it
August 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pmAs I see it, the scenario is thus: goad Iran into war just as the Democrats take the White House, and voila — a draft is born.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:47 pmCan we PLEASE draft the Romney 5 first?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIf war profiteering was made illegal, and it should be, this so called war on terror would be over instantly.
How do these bastards get away with this?
How much profiteering will be enough for these greedy bastards?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:48 pmYeah, if I were called, I would want either the Army or the Marines.
Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
oh my… see how yung’n'dum you are…
if you’re “called”, you WILL be in the army…
and you just broke your mom’s heart…
August 10th, 2007 at 8:49 pmfool.
.
goad Iran into war just as the Democrats take the White House
I think that is a real danger. When has the Bush White House ever done anything for reasons that weren’t purely political?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:50 pmOK by me.
Comment by Arthur C.
massive civil protest ???… […] either way I am ready
Comment by had enough — August 10, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
see you at the barricades…
August 10th, 2007 at 8:50 pm…
#42 Peter C.,
You are right in your description and assessment of the situation.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:52 pm“Daddy, I won’t have to go, will I?
August 10th, 2007 at 8:55 pmDaddy?
DAAAAAAADDY!”
Rangle has a draft plan:
All, each and every one, no loop holes, no deferments, EVERYBODY would be drafted. If this were the case including no exemptions for going into war - if it could really be enforced, then bring it on… then we would see no more f’ing bs war on terror.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pmsee you at the barricades… Comment by katy
If it happens, it’ll be a lot different this time around. This time, the war hawks are miniscule in number and intellectually irrelevant.
August 10th, 2007 at 8:57 pmbeing arrogant; no doubt they will exempt those enrolled in college
August 10th, 2007 at 8:59 pm#48
Hi Katy,
I am still waiting for “p” the “Patton wanna-be” and “CT” the “MacArthur wanna-be” to respond to my question in #38 (or thereabouts if someone gets deleted).
Why wait for the draft?
The trollies are remarkably quiet on this particular thread …
August 10th, 2007 at 9:00 pm“I don’t want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster. ”
President Franklin Roosevelt on war profiteers during world war II.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:01 pmInitiate the draft but make ALL CHICKENHAWKS TROLLS/ YOUNG RETHUGLIANS and ROMNEYS BOYS go FIRST.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:02 pmdon’t hold your breath, beavis…
August 10th, 2007 at 9:02 pm.
Fastest way to end this illegal Clusterf@ck in Iraq! Maybe even get some of the Romney Boy Scout Mormon Tabernacle Choir into the fray. Afterall, he is the Senior Hawk in the Repug Chickenhawk Circle Jerk.
Go Selective Service!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 9:16 pm1) So Mr. Pee, the recruiter’s office is down the street. They’re waitin for ya. Take yer dumbass buddy ct with you. Oh wait! You’re re-PUB-licans! You work for Romney instead of fighting the “great war” of our generation. Cowards.
2) I was marching in the 60’s and I’ll be there again. This agression will not stand, man.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:18 pmCT already explained, and I reposted…
Re-posting your own messages? How tiresome.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:27 pmLute is a scapegoat not someone who formulates policy. He’s there to take the blame. He hasn’t said anything new in this interview about the draft; he was just asked a question that was beyond his approved talking points and said that “it wasn’t ruled out”.
If he had introduced the subject of a draft, this might have been interesting. As it is, it really only shows that he’s a toy dog with a very short leash.
The Republicans would never initiate a draft; they’d much prefer to swell the ranks of the military with the economically underpriveledged. They can achieve this more easily by continuing to destroy the middle class.
Once the permanent bases are finished, they will pull out the majority of the troops, leaving only those necessary to secure the oilfields. By then, the air war with Iran will have finished and the troops will be needed to protect Haliburton as they construct bases to protect the Iranian oil.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:29 pmsee you at the barricades… Comment by katy
The masses were in the streets over the so called war during the Nam years… I don’t believe it was a known fact that event was over lies until later. As we all know Iraq is one profiteering event over lies can you imagine the outrage this time around?
August 10th, 2007 at 9:30 pm“p” / “CT”
Your philosphy / philosophies re: the virtues of an all volunteer army is one thing. That is a policy discussion.
But BOTH of you not only support this war - but have hurled insults at those who are against it. You have even given thought to which branch you would serve in - if drafted.
Your decision to support the war, yet not get involved until when and if there is a draft - is a personal decision on your part.
But, given all of your “rah rah” - it begs an extremely obvious question …
Why wait.
I’m just looking for some clarity in that decision making process.
To try to shift it to a “policy” issue and then hide behind that is … pretty weak, frankly.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:36 pmp, Len, yellow-cur, michael, & other trolls; Getting drafted isn’t so bad. Me, been there, done that. Lookit at what u get. In addition to the pay, u get so travel at government expense around the world(Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran), expert training(on the use of hand grenades & M-16s), fullfilling your proclaimed patriotism, a chest full of medals, 30 days paid vacation/year, 3 meals a day-free, along with a free supply of clothes, government-paid health care. So sign up today.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pmBring up the draft and all marketing illusions about this “war” being some kind of WWIII crucial to our survival are simply blown away, because almost no one in this country really believes that. If they did we would see some serious volunteerism and shared sacrifice as in WW II. Bush and his cowardly facist supporters are only okay with this war when someone else is fighting it.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:41 pmIve been calling our senators and representatives once a week demanding they restart the draft or withdraw.
how many of you do the same?
August 10th, 2007 at 9:48 pmp and CT are trolls; they are fictional characters, so they can’t actually sign up to fight. Their author would never dream of being in the military. He, like Romney’s sons, is working on a much more critical mission - politics, and is much more interested in battling the real enemy - Democrats and progressives.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:51 pmLet the poor kids enlist and go fight…the military seems to be working quite well for them
August 10th, 2007 at 9:55 pmVerbalKint
August 10th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI agree.. if we were truly attacked, attacked that is by another nation, most would not hesitate to go to war for our country. But after all the lies and sham, how can we ever trust what is the truth?
#75 I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. Some of these trolls no doubt work for political outfits, hired to simply disrupt and vandalize progressive blogs. I picture college Republican types, maybe doing a volunteer or low pay internship for the RNC or Karl’s shop or whatever.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pm#75 You’re right Peter…these guys are paid to come in and fu(k up the conversation…piss a few of us off…then they run off like the pussy’s they are. At 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pmOld Hack
August 10th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI too call congress and I am always amazed how quickly I get in - which means there are not many of us calling.
The return of the draft would erase about 40 years of our nation’s moral progress. All of our progress occured during the hiatus of years 1977-1981 and 1993-2001. The remainding 28 years have been pure disaster.
August 10th, 2007 at 9:59 pmComment by Uncle Ho — August 10, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
Doc,
We all know this bunch of trolls aren’t up for that kind of commitment; they want more than what we had in Vietnam.
And besides, war is for the lower class to fight, they just want the spoils of war, no fuss no muss.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI’ve been advocating for at least a few months to totally ignore these trolls. But that would be like asking everyone to quit smoking to run the tobacco companies out of business huh?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:03 pm#77 I see it as a major problem that Americans will now become gun shy and isolationist in the wake of the Bush/Iraq debacle. We need a strong military, and we need to project power to a certain extent (without being a imperial bully, of course). At some point in the future it might be strongly in our interest to make war against another nation, but the bad experience of Iraq will make it more difficult to achieve consensus to do so. This is just one of many forms of damage wreaked by Bush the Destroyer that will haunt this country for decades to come.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:04 pmBush said he was against nation-building. He still is.
Nation-destroying, that’s his specialty.
The Iraqis, and ours.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:06 pmI see the megalomaniac Cheney’s bloody hands in this–he needs a draft to invade Iran! The brown shirts are coming out of mothballs!
August 10th, 2007 at 10:07 pmTrolls are a very clever construction; they are designed to prevent discussion in the public arena. They are intentionally unpleasant and abusive because they are meant to convince you that it is unsafe to discuss politics with your neighbors. They are incredibly unshakeable in their beliefs because they are meant to make you believe that it is not worthwhile talking to other citizens who might also prove to be closed-minded, unpleasant, and irrational. They are meant to limit our comfort-zone so that we will limit the spread of our ideas. If they can make it so unpleasant to talk politics in an anonymous forum, we will be less inclined to speak to our neighbors and thus learn that we are not lone voices of reason, but members of a large and refreshingly sane majority. Then, we will also begin to disbelieve the myth of a huge evangelical voting block which votes on touch-screen voting machines in numbers just large enough to win. Real people are not this irrational and disgusting; they would dissolve in their own bile.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:08 pmI think we should have a draft… and the children of members of Congress and any Presidential Candidate and the President have to have a mandatory service first before anyone else’s. And that includes Mitt Romney’s kids… especially Mitt Romney’s kids.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pm#75 You’re right Peter…these guys are paid to come in and fu(k up the conversation…piss a few of us off…then they run off like the pussy’s they are. At 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.
Comment by Pat
You hear them calling in on talk radio.. lying to the public how great the so called war is going. The host usually trips them up, asks questions they should know but do not. And these trolls have the same demeanor…
August 10th, 2007 at 10:10 pmAt 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.
Comment by Pat — August 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Pat, trust me when I say these idiots don’t smoke weed. Were they to do so, they would realize that much of what they believe about the world doesn’t actually make any sense. Most people have a mild reaction to this drug, but there is a small cohort that flips out, in some cases so badly they wind up in the emergency room. These trolls would fit into that cohort.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:13 pmOur beloved president should instate the draft in June of next year.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pmThat way the Repukelikin candidate will have to agree or repudiate his party’s leader. Bye Bye repukelikins…
It’s time to turn the page on garbage politics.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5326.html
It’s time for Obama. Black, white, female, male, whatever. We just need someone who can lead with a good head on his or her shoulders. Hillary’s too invested in this Iraq mess to the point where she’s lying or in denial about her wrong vote for the war. Enough already. Iraq is a side show to the real war against bin Ladin and al Qaeda in Pakistan. We need a leader who can disengage in Iraq and focus us on Pakistan.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWhat actually gets me is that I have visited more nations than W in my lifetime. What really amazes me is that my granddaughter learned Amerec (Did I get that right?) and was able to identify descrepancies in the audio vs. the creep-line rendition after one watch of “The Passion”. She has her father’s affinity for language.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:18 pmpossible draft?
Kucinich looks better all the time. He sees the war on terror for what it really is and has been very outspoken about bringing the troops home now.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI think Trolls are here to sew doubt in the minds of the silent readers. Trolls are inconvincible by design; if we engage with them, we will never win them over. It is our job to use them to highlight the deceptions of Karl Rove and thus arm the silent readers with knowledge of how the Republican Party and the mainstream media will try to deceive them.
If we all do this, trolling will become counterproductive and they might all go away. As the King from Princess Bride says, “Won’t that be nice!â€
August 10th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#90 Peter, I agree. There has been a lot of loudmouthed intimidation on the right (think of Limbaugh, Coulter, and O’Reilly) that is crafted to embolden the dittoheads to act like loudmouth jerks in public discourse. I noticed that after Bush was elected some Republicans got a lot louder about their foul politics, and started swaggering and mouthing off in inappropriate social settings. On the other hand, I am seeing a lot of sheepishness from these same people more recently. This is what hurts so much for many Republicans: not just to have been wrong, but to have been loudly, obnoxiously, unbearably wrong. A lot of these people are struggling psychologically to confront being wrong, and many simply can’t do it.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:22 pmWhat actually gets me is that I have visited more nations than W in my lifetime. What really amazes me is that my granddaughter learned Amerec (Did I get that right?)
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 10, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Aramaic is the name of the language.
I read that Bush didn’t even own a passport when he started campaigning for president. He doesn’t have to work for a living, he has millions in inherited money, and he never, ever travels internationally? This just goes to show how incurious our president is about the world around him.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI’ll bet p-brain doesn’t travel abroad, either.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:29 pmNo, the trolls aren’t paid by Karl Rove or the RNC or Richard Mellon Scaife or some other rightwing a-hole. It’s simpler than that, and in a way sadder.
The trolls are people who hate themselves and hate their lives. So they come here to try and make other people feel even worse than they themselves do. They’re self-loathing socioipaths.
That’s you, CT aka p aka Mr P… that “P” stands for “pathetic.”
August 10th, 2007 at 10:30 pm“Oh, I forgot to mention that neoconservatives WANT hard-working parents to lose their children in the war.”
Another HUGH conspiracy.
Comment by p
Nah, they just don’t care, if it doesn’t involve them personally.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:30 pmSounds GREAT to me. I’m all for a draft.
It’s about time that some of those big mouthed chickenhawks had a chance to put their money where their stupid mouths are.
“Bring it on”!!!
August 10th, 2007 at 10:31 pmIt’s not just a Post-Modern Liberal buzz word.
Comment by p
It’s been around far longer than I, and I’m twice your age…punk…
August 10th, 2007 at 10:33 pmComment by VerbalKint — August 10, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Thanks for the correction. I got my first passport when I was about two months old and it was Diplomatic.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:34 pmNot that I’m for a draft, but I’m guessing that would be the thing that would finally wake the sleeping and/or uncaring masses up. I bet the ranks of the IMPEACH NOW crowd would suddenly swell to the point of forcing Congress to act.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:34 pmOn my part, I would never run off to hiding if called (e.g., Canada), and probably wouldn’t care to sift throught the deferment system, either. Therefore, I’d be up and ready to serve in any branch and in any capacity (preferably the Marine
Y’know. If there was like, a draft ‘n’ stuff. Otherwise, I’m happy to sit on my ass. But if there was a draft, the Marines. Definitely.
What impressive resolve. What astonishing courage. What manifest faith in the Glorious GWOT and Dear Leader’s wisdom.
Dear christ do you really not have even a clue how utterly pathetic you sound?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:37 pm“William “The Bloody†Kristol WANTS working-class people to die in the war! I heard that one on a thread below!”
Comment by p
The big joke in conservative circles back in the 80’s was to sneer at military enlistees as “fodder units.”
August 10th, 2007 at 10:38 pmI’m all for a draft, as long as it comes from a tap.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:40 pmThe Draft?: Bring It On!!!!! lets bring this Sh!t to a head & pop this volcanic zit
August 10th, 2007 at 10:41 pmDraft horses.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:42 pmIt’s a HUGH conspiracy to trick the silent readers.
Comment by p
Your a detriment to your ‘team’ P and have not won anyone over to your HUGH [sic] conspiracy of idiotism. Your misinformation did not help your ‘team’ to win in 2006, it worked to help you lose.
But please, keep up your irrational bleating, pretty soon even you might believe it.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:42 pmI don’t get it. Is that satire?
Comment by p
I’m not surprised… It’s not satire - it’s toxically-cynical elitism.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:42 pm“I’m all for a draft, as long as it comes from a tap.”
jeez, you had to, now I’m thirsty and the fridge is empty
August 10th, 2007 at 10:43 pmIs that satire?
Are you satire?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:44 pmmeeting the demands of security will definitely involved not just prior to draft demands but surely, it’s all about prayers..
August 10th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWhat’s the matter, P? Can’t believe that conservatives actually regard soldiers as fodder for their wars of choice?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:46 pmmeeting the demands of security will definitely involved not just prior to draft demands but surely, it’s all about prayers..
Comment by ford rims — August 10, 2007
4 lug, or 5?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:46 pmp — Comment by p
That’s the most sensible thing you’ve said all day, CT. Good work! Coherence is just around the corner.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:48 pmis there a draft in here?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:48 pmif the draft gets re-instated, then not one person who approved it will get re-elected, because at this point, theres more support to get people OUT of iraq then to send more people INTO iraq. i wonder how hard it is to resist being drafted without hauling ass to another country? anyone know?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:49 pmHoly Christ, as a Vietnam veteran I haven’t been this excited since I got discharged in 1970. We all may be witnessing history here, like Ali reclaiming the heavyweight crown for the 3rd time. Yellow-bellied, no nuts Ted Nugent who boasted of urinating and defecating in his pants for an entire week (Detroit Free Press July 15, 1990) to avoid the draft to serve his country during the Vietnam War. It is highly possible that he may blow chips into his cowardly jockeys again to show Americans his true colors - YELLOW. Although, I don’t want to get my hopes up he’ll probably wear PAMPERS this time around to cover up his cowardly stench.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:50 pmI think the closer one gets to the truth, the more the Republicans will insist that such a thing would involve a ‘HUGH’ (or perhaps just a huge) conspiracy.
But, why would hiring a few smarmy College Republican-types to create fictional personas on liberal blogs take so many conspirators?
August 10th, 2007 at 10:53 pmRaven ~ Draft Beer!
August 10th, 2007 at 10:53 pmwow, thats nasty. a week? id probably skip town/the country before i did that. i mean, really, common sense goes a long way, and crapping in your pants for a week is NOT common sense.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Peter C — August 10, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
because as long as it looks like theres a lot of people backing them, they’ll scream and shout loud as they can, and hope people believe them. and if they can keep it up long enough, people WILL start to believe them, no matter how much bs they’re screaming.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:57 pmhow hard it is to resist being drafted without hauling ass to another country
Ask Dick Cheney. He got five deferments.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:57 pm“Well, I need some proff first.”
Comment by p
OFU = “One Fodder Unit.” Attributed to George H. W. Bush Sr., by Al Martin in his article: “The Ambassador Wilson Affair: The End of Karl Rove — And George Bush?” Published September 2, 2003, http://www.almartinraw.com/
August 10th, 2007 at 10:57 pmThat’s the most sensible thing you’ve said all day, CT. — Comment by Arthur C
sometimes my info gets deleted, so I need to refresh it with a quick post — Comment by p
So, Mr P. finally admits he’s CT.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:59 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
i would, but i dont want him to suck the soul out of my body.
August 10th, 2007 at 10:59 pmsometimes my info gets deleted, so I need to refresh it with a quick post. Comment by P
Okey Dokey….
Am I supposed to care?
August 10th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI dare them to start drafting people to die for the oil consortiums. That will be the end of the Republicans, no doubt about it.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:00 pmIts clear the reason the White House hasn’t reinstated the draf is because they know that no republican is going to get elected as long as there is a draft, and probably for sometime thereafter.
Bush is pushing soldiers to 3 and even 4 tours (I’ve heard of some doing 5) because he knows he’ll be out of office soon, and since they know a democrat is going to win next year, they will simply start a war with Iran and hand the next president a no win scenario, where he’ll be forced to reinstate the draft himself to meet with the military requirements necessitated by all the new enemies of America created by the Bush administration.
:|
Chances are, they most likely want a democrat to win, thus handing the new democratic President a massive global clusterf$#k and a no win scenario.
In other words we’re screwed.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:02 pmyou put it into words, bartlebee…
ugh.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:09 pm.
We should definitely get a draft. It would mean soldiers wouldn’t have to endure 5th and 6th deployments to Iraq.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:10 pmBut, why would hiring a few smarmy College Republican-types to create fictional personas on liberal blogs take so many conspirators?
Comment by Peter C
Mr P {Shirley Ardell Mason aka Sybil} here has multiple personalities and often converses with itself.
i would, but i dont want him to suck the soul out of my body.
Comment by astrocreep
That would require you to have a soul. I see nothing but darkness around you.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:10 pmComment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
haha you know me so well already. howd you know im surrounded by darkness? is it because im in a dark room??
August 10th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThe ‘conspiracy’ theme comes out when they have to deride because they cannot discredit. It’s a bullying tactic. You’ll catch BillO, Coulter and Limbaugh using it all the time (if your stomach is strong enough). The assault on the public forum is a key strategy of Karl Rove and the Republicans. Their unpleasantness is strategic and aimed at suppressing discussion among citizens in general and participation in elections in particular. This is why our troll infestation characters should not be engaged directly. A vicious shouting match serves their purposes very well.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:14 pmyou put it into words, bartlebee…
ugh.
.
Comment by katy — August 10, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
It pretty much sucks huh?
The truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up, and now are going to let Americans bleed and die in Iraq, sending them over and over again, until Bush is out of office, and then dump the whole kit and bamboozle into the democrats lap.
Suks a big one.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:16 pmPeter C, Amen.
Time to really pay attention and realize the corrosive power of cynicism that is fostered by the troll army.
Perhaps we should just get an enlsitment form and post it everytime a tickles the keys.
-GSD
August 10th, 2007 at 11:18 pmsorry lefties, you lose again!!!
Comment by pussee — August 10, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Nope.
The American soliders dying in Iraq are the ones who lose.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:18 pmBush and Cheney are enacting a slow bleed policy to drag the war out until 2009.
Why are they slow bleeding the military?
-GSD
August 10th, 2007 at 11:19 pmBARTLEBEE @ 150,
I fear you might be right about Iran.
This is why impeachment is so important. We can’t let the Administration have 18 more months to screw things up. We’ve got to get them out of office as quickly as possible.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:20 pmMr P. = CT = p is so ill-informed that he thought if he was drafted he’d get to pick which branch of the armed services he wanted to serve in. See posts 28 & 30.
Then he declined to state why, as a war hawk, he hasn’t enlisted even in the absence of a draft.
What worthless bag of dog snot he is.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThe truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up […]
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
yep… what i heard years ago on randi… “planned chaos”…
ugh.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:22 pm.
This is why our troll infestation characters should not be engaged directly. A vicious shouting match serves their purposes very well.
Comment by Peter C — August 10, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Thank you, Peter C.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:23 pmBush, Cheney, Rove and your porgeny must be the first to enlist. Those who choose to wage wars must be the first to enlist.
Washington, Eisenhower . . . these were leaders who knew the repercussions of war. If you’re not in for the fight, get out of the game.
What have we got? A bunch of drft dodgers calling for a draft to support an illegal war.
If we were to wage war on Iran in addition ot Iraq and Afghanastan, no doubt, we’d need more soldiers. Are the twins busy?
George W. Bush, you dishonor this country as well as the office of the Presidency.
Quit.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:23 pmI agree impeachment is critical, but what exactly can we do?
We have the votes in the House to impeach, but we don’t have the votes in the Senate to ratify. We have a 1 vote majority in the Senate. And even IF Joe Lieberman doesn’t live up to his promise to switch parties if impeachment comes before the Senate, and even IF we could convince 1 3rd of the republicans to vote to ratify it, we still have DEMOCRATS who aren’t on board with it.
I believe impeachment has to occur, and I think it will. I’m just afraid its going to take an ephiphany event or revelation for the democrats and enough republicans in the Senate, figure it out.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:25 pmvery good thoughts and insight, peter c…
August 10th, 2007 at 11:25 pm…
The amazing shifting enemy in Iraq.
*Saddam and his WMDs.
*Saddams sons.
*Baathist elements and dead enders.(Remember the deck of cards)
*Sunni insurgents.
*Al Qaeda in Iraq.
*Shiite militias.
*Iranian backed Shiite militias.
We are at war with Oceania.
-GSD
August 10th, 2007 at 11:27 pmwe still have DEMOCRATS who aren’t on board with it.
thats why, as far as politicians are concerned, democrats and republicans are essentially the same. they have their shouting matches, feign shock and disgust, but when it comes down to it, they’re all self serving materialistic bastards.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:28 pmI sometimes wonder if a unilateral (unprevoked or response to false flag attack) act of war on Iran WOULD be enough to get the chymp impeached.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:29 pmDems can’t accomplish impeachment on their own. To impeach, Republicans in the Senate have to be convinced that their own futures depend on eliminating Bush. Remember, it wasn’t the Dems who forced Nixon to resign: it was the GOP, desperately trying to save their own sorry asses.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:29 pmApparently, Laura has good aim with a car. Hook her up with a Humvee . . . hopefully, one with a little extra protection.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:31 pmMy pleasure, RoS,
It is difficult not responding, though; it is natural to see these comment forums as converations, because the regulars on the site do talk back and forth. But the troll personas are fiction. It helps to think of the author behind the character and see the reasons for their posts. That’s where the deception lies.
Luckily, these are bad authors and their characters are very poorly drawn. Real people just aren’t that pigheaded, as much as Rove would like us to think they are.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:35 pmis it now? then leave.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:35 pm#167
Doesn’t any one have leverage on Lieberman? The guy’s not golden. He’s got interests, he’s got flaws. He may even have a heart.
Surely dems are better policos than this.
He’s played dems too well. Get a clue. Fight back.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:36 pmWOW Pee! I’ve had my comments censored on this site. Yikes. I really must have been tragically out of line.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWell my comments are not appearing either.
So I don’t think its censoring unless they’re trying to shut down the whole site.
Most like a technical issue.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:39 pmI take it back. They let me post these comments, but my actual comment, which has NO profanity in it, and just talks about a related topic to the board, they won’t let me post for some reason.
Somethings, or someone is really screwed up.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:41 pmIts the Iran thing. They don’t want anyone talking about the administrations plans to invade Iran.
Thats PATHETIC.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmfound this on the SALI thread… check it out!
So p, and the other little trolls go to George Mason U in Northern Virginia. That’s all you need to know. Max Blumenthal did a great little film in July 2007 about a meeting of a group of college young republicans. You can find it on youtube and on Max’s website: http://maxblumenthal.com/archives/171.
Who knows maybe some of the small-minded trolls here have starring roles. Watch them squirm as they try to explain why they are not in the military. At the end is a sad scene in which a poor kid keeps trying to convince himself as to how gay he isn’t. Max has another great video about the christian right that is truly scary.
Comment by KayT — August 10, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
thanks KayT
August 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pm!
Doesn’t any one have leverage on Lieberman?
Nope. He’s in office for 6 years, and afterwards will retire to a cushy rightwing “think” tank. Lieberman answers to nothing but his crippled soul.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWhat has happened to Think Progress?
I’ve tried to post even very mild comments on the site, and for whatever reason, they don’t seem survive the censors.
Did Rupert Murdoch buy TP in the WSJ deal?
August 10th, 2007 at 11:44 pmBartlebee, they have their lame ass filters up again?
August 10th, 2007 at 11:45 pmcurmudgeon. I tried to do something about it last night. Apparantly, I failed.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHas TP been told by the Dark Side to tame down their sites to Faux Noose’s standards or risk being shut down forever?
It sure seems that way.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pmThey caved for 5 minutes…today they are back to their old ways. Attytood, here I come.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by curmudgeon
Shaddap, Mr P.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:47 pmBartlebee, they have their lame ass filters up again?
Comment by JPark — August 10, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
I don’t know J, but someones nuking almost ALL of my posts.
I just told the TP Censor to go F himself.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmAnybody that is totally sick of TP’s arbitrary BS…go to Attytood. Will Bunch told me we are welcome there.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmWHats the URL J?
August 10th, 2007 at 11:49 pmMARIO, I went absolutely ballistic last night and they dropped their filters. Apparently they had a meeting today and decided they are not fans of their regulars.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:50 pmDraft Young Repukes!!
Draft Chickenhawks!!
August 10th, 2007 at 11:51 pmhttp://www.attytood.com. They are based in Philly and are Phillycentric but it is a great site.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:51 pmWHats the URL J? — Comment by MARIO
Google it, dumbass.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:51 pmJ ,Its me, Bartlebee. I had to change handles to get anything through.
They are like blognazis or something.
I’m sick of it.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:52 pmGoogle it, dumbass.
Comment by Arthur C#nT. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Your mom already did google it for me.
Or was that gargle it for me?
:|
Oh well, whatever, she took care of it.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:53 pmTP dies not with a bang, but a wimper.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:54 pmArthur, gargle (or was it google) this, teabaggee.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:55 pmBARTLEBEE ,
My censored comments didn’t include any profanity either, they were apparently just not fit for human consumption.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:55 pmThe truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up, and now are going to let Americans bleed and die in Iraq, sending them over and over again, until Bush is out of office, and then dump the whole kit and bamboozle into the democrats lap.
Suks a big one.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! I believe you’ve summed it up in a nutshell.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWell if there is a draft, then all 5 of Romneys’ sons must be drafted.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:56 pmComment by MARIO — August 10, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
My mom’s dead. You must have snot for brains, what kind of moron can’t figure out to google “attytood”?
August 10th, 2007 at 11:56 pmComment by curmudgeon
Shaddap, Mr P.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
arthur - curmudgeon is a friendly… not mr.p…
…
all - i’ve had no troubles posting… just f.y.i. …
time to unfold and watch olberman, late edition…
g’nite…
August 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmWhat worthless bag of dog snot he is.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
Uh, Arthur, I don’t think that’s snot ….
August 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmIts definately some little prick censoring.
I just tried to post my original comment that they kept deleting, under this handle, and they STILL nuked it, so they’re clearly being wimps.
I think its time to stop supporting wimpy blogs.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmArthur C. Go Google yourself you little crap eater. Maybe not clever but appropriate.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:57 pmDisturbia, go to Attytood. He is going to have one popular blog.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:58 pmJPark? Blow me, doughbrain.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pmThey just won’t let me post this one comment.
All I am doing is predicting one possible scenario that may occur and its like they don’t want it printed for some reason. No profanity. Its loosely related to the thread topic.
But they just keep deleting it. I’ve tried to post it now about 12 times and they just keep nuking it.
August 10th, 2007 at 11:59 pmThe very idea of a standing army is antiAmerican in the extreme. The founders didn’t want it knowing full well that sociopaths like Bush would come along and use good, if misguided, young patriots to line the pockets of fatcat friends. They have been proven prescient and right over the years, much to America’s shame. A draft is a perfectly good way to fight justifiable wars, and in real wartime, is hardly needed, as all patriots understand the urgency of the cause. On the other hand, attacking and occupying innocent sovereign nations for financial and political benefit can only be done with a standing volunteer force, which is why there shiould be only the barest force needed for maintenance. The idea that we are in a war is laughable. The 19 that attacked us are already dead, and the supposed ringleader was freed by Bush, after Bush surrendered to all of his desires. Bush immediately lost the first and only battle, and then proceeded to take out his anger and frustration on the weakest country he could find. It was illegal, it was immoral, it was unnecessary, and it amounts to mass murder, war-profiteering and treason. Impeachment is the only solution, and those who don’t think there would be enough votes don’t understand what a trial would reveal. Bush would be convicted virtually unanimously, as anyone who voted against conviction would find his or her political career dead forever. the trolls are simpletons, tricked into disrupting boards like this by appeals to their lizard brains, and their false patriotism, which is really Nazi nationalism. There isn’t one among them who hasn’t proven to be a racist, a homophobe (in spite of their closetted status), a misogynist and a hypocrite. They’re playing a game, and most are not being paid for it, because they’re willing dupes of their fascist masters. This has been seen before, only 80 years ago or so. it doesn’t matter if we ignore or engage them, it’s just a game. the real fight is in the voting booths and on the streets, where you wiull never encounter any of these cowards. p’s meltdown earlier was easy to engineer, he melted down twice, just like a 2-year-old. i can accomplish it any time i want, but once done, it’s hardly fun any more, so ignoring his lies and propaganda becomes the next move in the game.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:01 amI agree with Bartlebee at 181; I think it’s just technical problems. Sure is fun to see Pee’s author get so ticked off in his paranoia, though. Some people think the world revolves around them.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:01 amBartlbee -
Bizarre, I really was just joking when I mentioned TP censorship . . . yet my response wasn’t posted.
Odd.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:01 amDraft Chickenhawks!!
August 11th, 2007 at 12:02 amArthur, I will pass. I don’t go for pity f^cks.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:02 amarthur - curmudgeon is a friendly… not mr.p
I apologize, curmudgeon. Thanks katy.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:03 amPeter C. No, it has been too long too be a “technical problem”.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:03 amAlright. Anyone who wants to see the comment that TP doesn’t want you to read, follow this link.
https://www.blogger.com/ comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442
If that link doesn’t work just go to
http://www.lydiacornell.com/blog.html and click the latest blog. You’ll see it posted at the bottom under my real handle, Bartlebee.
I’m gonna split for now, because this blog has become LAME.
Really, really LAME.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:03 ami need tp for my pee pee!!
tp!! pee pee!!
August 11th, 2007 at 12:04 amWe should only draft liberals to show them what it’s like to finally serve in the military.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:04 amChrist, pee-pee is right for once.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:05 amYeah Peter C, perhaps it’s my own paranoia, but I see no reason to believe that you are not the Pee, and now trying to sooth our soft dem psyches.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:05 amWe should only draft liberals to show them what it’s like to finally serve in the military.
Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 12:04 am
You should take a count of how many Dem congressmen have served vs repuke chickenhawks, sonnyboy. conservatives are cowards.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:07 amtp!! pee pee!!
seriously, you’re not going to actually take someone seriously when the ir nick is pee pee…and they’r e an obvious REPUKE troll.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:07 amI agree with Bartlebee at 181; I think it’s just technical problems. Sure is fun to see Pee’s author get so ticked off in his paranoia, though. Some people think the world revolves around them.
Comment by Peter C — August 11, 2007 @ 12:01 am
NO.
They ARE censoring.
I cannot post ONE PARTICULAR COMMENT.
I just posted a LINK to THAT COMMENT.
https://www.blogger.com/ comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442
There it is again.
Go read the ONE COMMENT TP WON’T LET ME POST IN HERE, and see if you can figure out why they are so afraid of this ONE COMMENT
I sure can’t.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:07 amNobody is going to Attytood. Nice job liberals. Maybe the right is right.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:08 amI thought the right were sheep.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:09 amWhat’s going on with this wibsite? Is it TP or something else?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:10 am