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‘War Czar’: Military draft is on the table.

In an interview with NPR, the White House’s “war czar” Gen. Doug Lute said that “it makes sense to certainly consider” a military draft. “I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table, but ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation’s security by one means or another.” Listen to it:

[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/lute.320.40.flv]

Center for American Progress analysts Lawrence Korb and Max Bergmann wrote recently, “Considering the current state of the Army, if the president wants to sustain a substantial number of U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the next 18 months, he should call for reinstating the draft. … Yet the president will never call for the draft. He knows the country would never support the level of sacrifice for this war that implementing a draft would demand.”

Listen to the full interview of Lute here.



548 Responses to “‘War Czar’: Military draft is on the table.”

  1. DittoHeads Suck says:

    YAY Sign up Trolls!


  2. VerbalKint says:

    Questions for the trolls:

    a) Do you support a universal draft?

    b) If you answered no to the first question, then how do you suggest we win what you regard to be WWIII against the terrorists?


  3. p says:

    “Considering the current state of the Army, if the president wants to sustain a substantial number of U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the next 18 months, he should call for reinstating the draft. … Yet the president will never call for the draft.

    Okay. So what’s the point of this thread?


  4. VerbalKint says:

    So what’s the point of this thread?
    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

    I’m sure that no amount of explaining will ever make you understand what this thread is about.


  5. rough redneck says:

    this aint no war for us republicans to fight. Let the mis-fortunate do it.


  6. DittoHeads Suck says:

    Okay. So what’s the point of this thread?

    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:08 pm

    P, what you going to do if Dick is dumb enough to bomb Iran? Bombing means nothing without ground troops, and to me it looks like our forces are a days drive from say an Iranian retaliation. Personally I think those of you of draft age better seriously consider the stuff you cheer for. Even a big escalation of violence in Iraq, and they’re going to either have to withdraw, or start the draft.


  7. DrBB says:

    In an interview with NPR, the White House’s “war czar” Gen. Doug Lute said….

    Oh yeah, War Czar, I remember that episode. Something about hiring some sap to take over as C in C but not, like, actually say so. Took ‘em a while to come up with anyone stupid enough to take the job. Boy he sure went from New Jesus to Nonentity fast didn’t he.

    Please dear Patreus in heaven, we beseech Thee, rescue us from the utter collapse of credibility we have wrought upon ourselves. Surely You will hear our cries and come unto us with yet more Friedmans unto the end of time. For you are truly our New Jesus. For the moment.


  8. Publicus says:

    If the thugs in Washington go that route—instituting a draft to fight all the wars they need to fill their bloodlust—that would probably be the beginning of the end for them.

    As long as most people can go about their daily lives, they can easily ignore the senseless blood and death. But PERSOANLIZE IT, and everything changes.


  9. CT_Version 2 says:

    The American people support an all-volunteer military. That’s how an educated, well-prepared military is sustained.


  10. Guido, Lover, OBGYN says:

    It’s about time they backed up their mission appropriately.


  11. sluggo says:

    This will, if presented seriously, end the Bush Gang control of the Whitehouse and most of the Republicans in Congress. There is no way even the Red States will support a Draft (unless only registered Democrats are drafted).

    Bush is already radioactive to all the Republican Presidential candidates and this will just force them, and Republican members of Congress, to call for an end to the war.

    Go for it….


  12. CT_Version 2 says:

    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:13 pm

    Another good point. No amnesty, and citizenship is lost if you flee.

    That wouldn’t make the lefties happy. They would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.


  13. DittoHeads Suck says:

    The American people support an all-volunteer military. That’s how an educated, well-prepared military is sustained.

    Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

    And when a country is at war, and serious about winning one, you have a draft, and even then sometimes as history shows, no matter how many of the enemy you kill, they keep coming.

    An all volunteer army is great for small interventions, or part of a large multi-national force. Even many of the “Coalition” have left, or will be leaving soon. Now what ya gonna do? Recruitment is not even meeting it’s goals.


  14. had enough says:

    Now this will get the masses into the streets… if not start the revolution.


  15. DrBB says:

    But but but but–wait a sec. Isn’t this The Struggle of Our Generation? The War to End Evil? Yes, truly our very future hangs upon success in Iraq.

    Institute a draft??? Whaddyou nuts??? That would blow the lid right off of this thing.

    Criminy, the warmongers don’t even get out there and urge kids to voluntarily enlist, as a matter of patriotic duty. The elephant–hell, the blue whale–in the living room. If they really believed any of their own belicose b.s., they wouldn’t be just giving voice to lofty visions of 100 Years of Glorious War, they’d be out there urgently putting the case for enlistment and young men to join the Noble Enterprise. I’ve never heard anything remotely resembling such a call from the AWOL Codpiece or 5-Deferments Shotgun Boy. Let alone any of the warbloviators online. Christ, guys who turned up with 4-F deferments in WWII were subject to all kinds of (unfair, but real) ostracism. Being of age and not being in uniform was a matter of real, universal shame.

    Should be the same now, if this really IS the Grand War To End All Badness that it’s hyped as. But it ain’t.


  16. DittoHeads Suck says:

    True, but if we are needed to provide our expertise for the military, and they request our input, I am more than willing to help out.

    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:19 pm

    Yah hiding & fear are two things you know a lot about! Somehow I think you’ll end up on the front lines with an M16, and maybe body armor.


  17. had enough says:

    Too many see through this profiteering over what the thugs want us to believe is war. No way are the masses going to take a draft from these liars… And Cheney is threatening Iran… INSANE…. It is the thugs and their children’s turn to waste their blood over this nonsense.


  18. Tau says:

    They would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.
    Comment by CT_Version 2

    YAWN. The troll “pin your idiotic imagination on others game” is so lame, so old, so childish and so not effective.

    When are you trollips going to get serious?


  19. Arthur C. says:

    Restart the draft? There will be massive civil protest by day, and riots by night, as 70% of America unleashes its fury at Boy-in-a-bubble Bush, for lying to them, to trick them into backing his endless, insanely expensive war.

    OK by me.


  20. Tau says:

    I think that some of the commentors here see the instatement of a draft as a strategic move, secretly hoping that it will cause America to surrender. -P

    I think your making a Freudian slip and are actually posting YOUR desire.


  21. CT_Version 2 says:

    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:19 pm

    That’s good, Mr. P.

    On my part, I would never run off to hiding if called (e.g., Canada), and probably wouldn’t care to sift throught the deferment system, either. Therefore, I’d be up and ready to serve in any branch and in any capacity (preferably the Marines).


  22. DittoHeads Suck says:

    When are you trollips going to get serious?

    Comment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 8:28 pm

    Somehow I don’t think until the bullets are flying over their heads, or they just watched their buddy bleed to death, or they just saw the results of some 500lb bomb maiming innocent people. Those being the ones theys keep telling us they’re trying to free. Oh they like to act all tough behind their keyboards, when in reality we all know they’re really the biggest cowards, and most un-Americans on the planet.


  23. CT_Version 2 says:

    Comment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 8:28 pm

    If you’ve been on previous threads, there’s been plenty of talk of recruiting the Bush twins and other kids of rich of Republicans. Yet, lefties talk of an “apolitical government.”

    *YAWN* I’m tired of repeating myself to slow people.


  24. Arthur C. says:

    Comment by CT_Version 2 — Yeah — Comment by p

    Stop talking to yourself, you psycho.


  25. Arn Gunnutes says:

    From another thread about WHY people who want to discuss TROLL-FREE are leaving TP:

    Geez… the Dems want to escape from reality so much that they are starting a secret club!!!

    No, they want INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION on topics of GREAT IMPORTANCE, such as Bush being a TRAITOR to the USA, which he IS

    and they are tired of people like yourself who diddle themselves to mental images of AWOL coward TRAITOR Bush in his aircraft-carrier flight suit…

    Comment by Arn Gunnutes


  26. robbez_92107 says:

    That wouldn’t make the lefties happy. They would like specifically the children of Republicans to be drafted.

    Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 10, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

    No, we’d like to see children of Republicans SERVE. Jenna and not Jenna for starters, maybe a couple of Romneys. Why must the blood of the poor be spilled for this administration to bathe in? Reinstate the draft, let Mr. Pee serve and then we can argue about “friendly fire,” “murder,” or “justifiable homicide,” just like the Tillman case!


  27. had enough says:

    Restart the draft? There will be massive civil protest by day, and riots by night, as 70% of America unleashes its fury at Boy-in-a-bubble Bush, for lying to them, to trick them into backing his endless, insanely expensive war.

    OK by me.

    Comment by Arthur C.

    massive civil protest ???… we may see riots… people are pissed as it is and this may spark more than just protests… either way I am ready


  28. beavis says:

    “CT_Version_2″

    You would go, in your word – “honorably” (i.e, no exploiting the deferrement system) if drafted, but apparently no interest in volunteering right now …

    Why the distinction?


  29. Arthur C. says:

    Geez… the Dems want to escape from reality so much that they are starting a secret club!!!

    Idiot wingnut troll thinks an online forum = reality? No wonder right wingers can’t win wars!


  30. Tau says:

    *YAWN* I’m tired of repeating myself to slow people.
    Comment by CT_Version 2

    The fact is many people dodge the draft thru college deferments putting the load of war on less fortunate persons shoulders.
    [Political idiotology aside]


  31. Badger says:

    Gen. Lute has NOT ruled out reinstating the draft. This is NOT because the military is easily meeting it’s recruiting goals. This is a recognition that our troops are being s t r e t c h e d to the point where military options are no longer options. The generals know this….our enemies know this. Bush has squandered our greatest military asset….The THREAT of Military Action.


  32. Peter C says:

    Surrender is a Republican frame which casts the occupation of Iraq as a battle situation; it is not. The battle ended a long time ago – “Mission Accomplished”. What we’re in now is an occupation in the middle of a civil war. A occupation ends with withdrawal not surrender, and it cannot end soon enough.


  33. eddiejoe says:

    If they reinstitute the draft, start with the five Romney boys. They can be this war’s version of the “Fighting Sullivans”.


  34. tpagy says:

    Does p stand for a big p—y sounds like it


  35. Apple says:

    As I see it, the scenario is thus: goad Iran into war just as the Democrats take the White House, and voila — a draft is born.


  36. Namtillaku says:

    Can we PLEASE draft the Romney 5 first?


  37. had enough says:

    If war profiteering was made illegal, and it should be, this so called war on terror would be over instantly.

    How do these bastards get away with this?

    How much profiteering will be enough for these greedy bastards?


  38. katy says:

    Yeah, if I were called, I would want either the Army or the Marines.
    Comment by p — August 10, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    oh my… see how yung’n'dum you are…
    if you’re “called”, you WILL be in the army…

    and you just broke your mom’s heart…
    fool.
    .


  39. Arthur C. says:

    goad Iran into war just as the Democrats take the White House

    I think that is a real danger. When has the Bush White House ever done anything for reasons that weren’t purely political?


  40. katy says:

    OK by me.
    Comment by Arthur C.

    massive civil protest ???… [...] either way I am ready
    Comment by had enough — August 10, 2007 @ 8:36 pm

    see you at the barricades…


  41. tarazan says:

    #42 Peter C.,

    You are right in your description and assessment of the situation.


  42. Jenna says:

    “Daddy, I won’t have to go, will I?
    Daddy?
    DAAAAAAADDY!”


  43. had enough says:

    Rangle has a draft plan:

    All, each and every one, no loop holes, no deferments, EVERYBODY would be drafted. If this were the case including no exemptions for going into war – if it could really be enforced, then bring it on… then we would see no more f’ing bs war on terror.


  44. Arthur C. says:

    see you at the barricades… Comment by katy

    If it happens, it’ll be a lot different this time around. This time, the war hawks are miniscule in number and intellectually irrelevant.


  45. JJ says:

    being arrogant; no doubt they will exempt those enrolled in college


  46. beavis says:

    #48

    Hi Katy,

    I am still waiting for “p” the “Patton wanna-be” and “CT” the “MacArthur wanna-be” to respond to my question in #38 (or thereabouts if someone gets deleted).

    Why wait for the draft?

    The trollies are remarkably quiet on this particular thread …


  47. Badger says:

    “I don’t want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this world disaster. ”

    President Franklin Roosevelt on war profiteers during world war II.


  48. Justice says:

    Initiate the draft but make ALL CHICKENHAWKS TROLLS/ YOUNG RETHUGLIANS and ROMNEYS BOYS go FIRST.


  49. katy says:

    don’t hold your breath, beavis…
    .


  50. upside00 says:

    Fastest way to end this illegal Clusterf@ck in Iraq! Maybe even get some of the Romney Boy Scout Mormon Tabernacle Choir into the fray. Afterall, he is the Senior Hawk in the Repug Chickenhawk Circle Jerk.

    Go Selective Service!!!


  51. Rujax! says:

    1) So Mr. Pee, the recruiter’s office is down the street. They’re waitin for ya. Take yer dumbass buddy ct with you. Oh wait! You’re re-PUB-licans! You work for Romney instead of fighting the “great war” of our generation. Cowards.

    2) I was marching in the 60’s and I’ll be there again. This agression will not stand, man.


  52. Arthur C. says:

    CT already explained, and I reposted…

    Re-posting your own messages? How tiresome.


  53. Peter C says:

    Lute is a scapegoat not someone who formulates policy. He’s there to take the blame. He hasn’t said anything new in this interview about the draft; he was just asked a question that was beyond his approved talking points and said that “it wasn’t ruled out”.

    If he had introduced the subject of a draft, this might have been interesting. As it is, it really only shows that he’s a toy dog with a very short leash.

    The Republicans would never initiate a draft; they’d much prefer to swell the ranks of the military with the economically underpriveledged. They can achieve this more easily by continuing to destroy the middle class.

    Once the permanent bases are finished, they will pull out the majority of the troops, leaving only those necessary to secure the oilfields. By then, the air war with Iran will have finished and the troops will be needed to protect Haliburton as they construct bases to protect the Iranian oil.


  54. had enough says:

    see you at the barricades… Comment by katy

    The masses were in the streets over the so called war during the Nam years… I don’t believe it was a known fact that event was over lies until later. As we all know Iraq is one profiteering event over lies can you imagine the outrage this time around?


  55. beavis says:

    “p” / “CT”

    Your philosphy / philosophies re: the virtues of an all volunteer army is one thing. That is a policy discussion.

    But BOTH of you not only support this war – but have hurled insults at those who are against it. You have even given thought to which branch you would serve in – if drafted.

    Your decision to support the war, yet not get involved until when and if there is a draft – is a personal decision on your part.

    But, given all of your “rah rah” – it begs an extremely obvious question …

    Why wait.

    I’m just looking for some clarity in that decision making process.

    To try to shift it to a “policy” issue and then hide behind that is … pretty weak, frankly.


  56. Uncle Ho says:

    p, Len, yellow-cur, michael, & other trolls; Getting drafted isn’t so bad. Me, been there, done that. Lookit at what u get. In addition to the pay, u get so travel at government expense around the world(Iraq/Afghanistan/Iran), expert training(on the use of hand grenades & M-16s), fullfilling your proclaimed patriotism, a chest full of medals, 30 days paid vacation/year, 3 meals a day-free, along with a free supply of clothes, government-paid health care. So sign up today.


  57. VerbalKint says:

    Bring up the draft and all marketing illusions about this “war” being some kind of WWIII crucial to our survival are simply blown away, because almost no one in this country really believes that. If they did we would see some serious volunteerism and shared sacrifice as in WW II. Bush and his cowardly facist supporters are only okay with this war when someone else is fighting it.


  58. Old Hack says:

    Ive been calling our senators and representatives once a week demanding they restart the draft or withdraw.

    how many of you do the same?


  59. Peter C says:

    p and CT are trolls; they are fictional characters, so they can’t actually sign up to fight. Their author would never dream of being in the military. He, like Romney’s sons, is working on a much more critical mission – politics, and is much more interested in battling the real enemy – Democrats and progressives.


  60. Mama Chimp says:

    Let the poor kids enlist and go fight…the military seems to be working quite well for them


  61. had enough says:

    VerbalKint
    I agree.. if we were truly attacked, attacked that is by another nation, most would not hesitate to go to war for our country. But after all the lies and sham, how can we ever trust what is the truth?


  62. VerbalKint says:

    #75 I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. Some of these trolls no doubt work for political outfits, hired to simply disrupt and vandalize progressive blogs. I picture college Republican types, maybe doing a volunteer or low pay internship for the RNC or Karl’s shop or whatever.


  63. Pat says:

    #75 You’re right Peter…these guys are paid to come in and fu(k up the conversation…piss a few of us off…then they run off like the pussy’s they are. At 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.


  64. had enough says:

    Old Hack
    I too call congress and I am always amazed how quickly I get in – which means there are not many of us calling.


  65. WaltTheMan says:

    The return of the draft would erase about 40 years of our nation’s moral progress. All of our progress occured during the hiatus of years 1977-1981 and 1993-2001. The remainding 28 years have been pure disaster.


  66. upside00 says:

    Comment by Uncle Ho — August 10, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

    Doc,

    We all know this bunch of trolls aren’t up for that kind of commitment; they want more than what we had in Vietnam.

    And besides, war is for the lower class to fight, they just want the spoils of war, no fuss no muss.


  67. Pat says:

    I’ve been advocating for at least a few months to totally ignore these trolls. But that would be like asking everyone to quit smoking to run the tobacco companies out of business huh?


  68. VerbalKint says:

    #77 I see it as a major problem that Americans will now become gun shy and isolationist in the wake of the Bush/Iraq debacle. We need a strong military, and we need to project power to a certain extent (without being a imperial bully, of course). At some point in the future it might be strongly in our interest to make war against another nation, but the bad experience of Iraq will make it more difficult to achieve consensus to do so. This is just one of many forms of damage wreaked by Bush the Destroyer that will haunt this country for decades to come.


  69. Arthur C. says:

    Bush said he was against nation-building. He still is.

    Nation-destroying, that’s his specialty.

    The Iraqis, and ours.


  70. Doc Rock says:

    I see the megalomaniac Cheney’s bloody hands in this–he needs a draft to invade Iran! The brown shirts are coming out of mothballs!


  71. Peter C says:

    Trolls are a very clever construction; they are designed to prevent discussion in the public arena. They are intentionally unpleasant and abusive because they are meant to convince you that it is unsafe to discuss politics with your neighbors. They are incredibly unshakeable in their beliefs because they are meant to make you believe that it is not worthwhile talking to other citizens who might also prove to be closed-minded, unpleasant, and irrational. They are meant to limit our comfort-zone so that we will limit the spread of our ideas. If they can make it so unpleasant to talk politics in an anonymous forum, we will be less inclined to speak to our neighbors and thus learn that we are not lone voices of reason, but members of a large and refreshingly sane majority. Then, we will also begin to disbelieve the myth of a huge evangelical voting block which votes on touch-screen voting machines in numbers just large enough to win. Real people are not this irrational and disgusting; they would dissolve in their own bile.


  72. LibertyLover says:

    I think we should have a draft… and the children of members of Congress and any Presidential Candidate and the President have to have a mandatory service first before anyone else’s. And that includes Mitt Romney’s kids… especially Mitt Romney’s kids.


  73. had enough says:

    #75 You’re right Peter…these guys are paid to come in and fu(k up the conversation…piss a few of us off…then they run off like the pussy’s they are. At 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.

    Comment by Pat

    You hear them calling in on talk radio.. lying to the public how great the so called war is going. The host usually trips them up, asks questions they should know but do not. And these trolls have the same demeanor…


  74. VerbalKint says:

    At 10 cents a word they make enough to keep them in weed and doritos.
    Comment by Pat — August 10, 2007 @ 9:58 pm

    Pat, trust me when I say these idiots don’t smoke weed. Were they to do so, they would realize that much of what they believe about the world doesn’t actually make any sense. Most people have a mild reaction to this drug, but there is a small cohort that flips out, in some cases so badly they wind up in the emergency room. These trolls would fit into that cohort.


  75. RUCerious says:

    Our beloved president should instate the draft in June of next year.
    That way the Repukelikin candidate will have to agree or repudiate his party’s leader. Bye Bye repukelikins…


  76. jd says:

    It’s time to turn the page on garbage politics.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0807/5326.html

    It’s time for Obama. Black, white, female, male, whatever. We just need someone who can lead with a good head on his or her shoulders. Hillary’s too invested in this Iraq mess to the point where she’s lying or in denial about her wrong vote for the war. Enough already. Iraq is a side show to the real war against bin Ladin and al Qaeda in Pakistan. We need a leader who can disengage in Iraq and focus us on Pakistan.


  77. WaltTheMan says:

    What actually gets me is that I have visited more nations than W in my lifetime. What really amazes me is that my granddaughter learned Amerec (Did I get that right?) and was able to identify descrepancies in the audio vs. the creep-line rendition after one watch of “The Passion”. She has her father’s affinity for language.


  78. had enough says:

    possible draft?

    Kucinich looks better all the time. He sees the war on terror for what it really is and has been very outspoken about bringing the troops home now.


  79. Peter C says:

    I think Trolls are here to sew doubt in the minds of the silent readers. Trolls are inconvincible by design; if we engage with them, we will never win them over. It is our job to use them to highlight the deceptions of Karl Rove and thus arm the silent readers with knowledge of how the Republican Party and the mainstream media will try to deceive them.

    If we all do this, trolling will become counterproductive and they might all go away. As the King from Princess Bride says, “Won’t that be nice!”


  80. VerbalKint says:

    #90 Peter, I agree. There has been a lot of loudmouthed intimidation on the right (think of Limbaugh, Coulter, and O’Reilly) that is crafted to embolden the dittoheads to act like loudmouth jerks in public discourse. I noticed that after Bush was elected some Republicans got a lot louder about their foul politics, and started swaggering and mouthing off in inappropriate social settings. On the other hand, I am seeing a lot of sheepishness from these same people more recently. This is what hurts so much for many Republicans: not just to have been wrong, but to have been loudly, obnoxiously, unbearably wrong. A lot of these people are struggling psychologically to confront being wrong, and many simply can’t do it.


  81. VerbalKint says:

    What actually gets me is that I have visited more nations than W in my lifetime. What really amazes me is that my granddaughter learned Amerec (Did I get that right?)
    Comment by WaltTheMan — August 10, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    Aramaic is the name of the language.

    I read that Bush didn’t even own a passport when he started campaigning for president. He doesn’t have to work for a living, he has millions in inherited money, and he never, ever travels internationally? This just goes to show how incurious our president is about the world around him.


  82. VerbalKint says:

    I’ll bet p-brain doesn’t travel abroad, either.


  83. Arthur C. says:

    No, the trolls aren’t paid by Karl Rove or the RNC or Richard Mellon Scaife or some other rightwing a-hole. It’s simpler than that, and in a way sadder.

    The trolls are people who hate themselves and hate their lives. So they come here to try and make other people feel even worse than they themselves do. They’re self-loathing socioipaths.

    That’s you, CT aka p aka Mr P… that “P” stands for “pathetic.”


  84. barfly says:

    “Oh, I forgot to mention that neoconservatives WANT hard-working parents to lose their children in the war.”

    Another HUGH conspiracy.

    Comment by p

    Nah, they just don’t care, if it doesn’t involve them personally.


  85. JPV says:

    Sounds GREAT to me. I’m all for a draft.

    It’s about time that some of those big mouthed chickenhawks had a chance to put their money where their stupid mouths are.

    “Bring it on”!!!


  86. Arius says:

    It’s not just a Post-Modern Liberal buzz word.

    Comment by p

    It’s been around far longer than I, and I’m twice your age…punk…


  87. WaltTheMan says:

    Comment by VerbalKint — August 10, 2007 @ 10:28 pm

    Thanks for the correction. I got my first passport when I was about two months old and it was Diplomatic.


  88. jen says:

    Not that I’m for a draft, but I’m guessing that would be the thing that would finally wake the sleeping and/or uncaring masses up. I bet the ranks of the IMPEACH NOW crowd would suddenly swell to the point of forcing Congress to act.


  89. DrBB says:

    On my part, I would never run off to hiding if called (e.g., Canada), and probably wouldn’t care to sift throught the deferment system, either. Therefore, I’d be up and ready to serve in any branch and in any capacity (preferably the Marine

    Y’know. If there was like, a draft ‘n’ stuff. Otherwise, I’m happy to sit on my ass. But if there was a draft, the Marines. Definitely.

    What impressive resolve. What astonishing courage. What manifest faith in the Glorious GWOT and Dear Leader’s wisdom.

    Dear christ do you really not have even a clue how utterly pathetic you sound?


  90. barfly says:

    “William “The Bloody” Kristol WANTS working-class people to die in the war! I heard that one on a thread below!”

    Comment by p

    The big joke in conservative circles back in the 80’s was to sneer at military enlistees as “fodder units.”


  91. WaltTheMan says:

    I’m all for a draft, as long as it comes from a tap.


  92. cletus says:

    The Draft?: Bring It On!!!!! lets bring this Sh!t to a head & pop this volcanic zit


  93. Raven says:

  94. Tau says:

    It’s a HUGH conspiracy to trick the silent readers.
    Comment by p

    Your a detriment to your ‘team’ P and have not won anyone over to your HUGH [sic] conspiracy of idiotism. Your misinformation did not help your ‘team’ to win in 2006, it worked to help you lose.

    But please, keep up your irrational bleating, pretty soon even you might believe it.


  95. barfly says:

    I don’t get it. Is that satire?

    Comment by p

    I’m not surprised… It’s not satire – it’s toxically-cynical elitism.


  96. cletus says:

    “I’m all for a draft, as long as it comes from a tap.”

    jeez, you had to, now I’m thirsty and the fridge is empty


  97. Arthur C. says:

    Is that satire?

    Are you satire?


  98. ford rims says:

    meeting the demands of security will definitely involved not just prior to draft demands but surely, it’s all about prayers..


  99. barfly says:

    What’s the matter, P? Can’t believe that conservatives actually regard soldiers as fodder for their wars of choice?


  100. Raven says:

    meeting the demands of security will definitely involved not just prior to draft demands but surely, it’s all about prayers..

    Comment by ford rims — August 10, 2007

    4 lug, or 5?


  101. Arthur C. says:

    p — Comment by p

    That’s the most sensible thing you’ve said all day, CT. Good work! Coherence is just around the corner.


  102. Raven says:

    is there a draft in here?


  103. astrocreep says:

    if the draft gets re-instated, then not one person who approved it will get re-elected, because at this point, theres more support to get people OUT of iraq then to send more people INTO iraq. i wonder how hard it is to resist being drafted without hauling ass to another country? anyone know?


  104. pitman says:

    Holy Christ, as a Vietnam veteran I haven’t been this excited since I got discharged in 1970. We all may be witnessing history here, like Ali reclaiming the heavyweight crown for the 3rd time. Yellow-bellied, no nuts Ted Nugent who boasted of urinating and defecating in his pants for an entire week (Detroit Free Press July 15, 1990) to avoid the draft to serve his country during the Vietnam War. It is highly possible that he may blow chips into his cowardly jockeys again to show Americans his true colors – YELLOW. Although, I don’t want to get my hopes up he’ll probably wear PAMPERS this time around to cover up his cowardly stench.


  105. Peter C says:

    I think the closer one gets to the truth, the more the Republicans will insist that such a thing would involve a ‘HUGH’ (or perhaps just a huge) conspiracy.

    But, why would hiring a few smarmy College Republican-types to create fictional personas on liberal blogs take so many conspirators?


  106. RUCerious says:

    Raven ~ Draft Beer!


  107. astrocreep says:

    wow, thats nasty. a week? id probably skip town/the country before i did that. i mean, really, common sense goes a long way, and crapping in your pants for a week is NOT common sense.


  108. astrocreep says:

    Comment by Peter C — August 10, 2007 @ 10:53 pm

    because as long as it looks like theres a lot of people backing them, they’ll scream and shout loud as they can, and hope people believe them. and if they can keep it up long enough, people WILL start to believe them, no matter how much bs they’re screaming.


  109. Arthur C. says:

    how hard it is to resist being drafted without hauling ass to another country

    Ask Dick Cheney. He got five deferments.


  110. barfly says:

    “Well, I need some proff first.”

    Comment by p

    OFU = “One Fodder Unit.” Attributed to George H. W. Bush Sr., by Al Martin in his article: “The Ambassador Wilson Affair: The End of Karl Rove — And George Bush?” Published September 2, 2003, http://www.almartinraw.com/


  111. Arthur C. says:

    That’s the most sensible thing you’ve said all day, CT. — Comment by Arthur C

    sometimes my info gets deleted, so I need to refresh it with a quick post — Comment by p

    So, Mr P. finally admits he’s CT.


  112. astrocreep says:

    Comment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 10:57 pm

    i would, but i dont want him to suck the soul out of my body.


  113. Tau says:

    sometimes my info gets deleted, so I need to refresh it with a quick post. Comment by P

    Okey Dokey….

    Am I supposed to care?


  114. teak says:

    I dare them to start drafting people to die for the oil consortiums. That will be the end of the Republicans, no doubt about it.


  115. BARTLEBEE says:

    Its clear the reason the White House hasn’t reinstated the draf is because they know that no republican is going to get elected as long as there is a draft, and probably for sometime thereafter.

    Bush is pushing soldiers to 3 and even 4 tours (I’ve heard of some doing 5) because he knows he’ll be out of office soon, and since they know a democrat is going to win next year, they will simply start a war with Iran and hand the next president a no win scenario, where he’ll be forced to reinstate the draft himself to meet with the military requirements necessitated by all the new enemies of America created by the Bush administration.

    :|

    Chances are, they most likely want a democrat to win, thus handing the new democratic President a massive global clusterf$#k and a no win scenario.

    In other words we’re screwed.


  116. katy says:

    you put it into words, bartlebee…

    ugh.
    .


  117. Probus says:

    We should definitely get a draft. It would mean soldiers wouldn’t have to endure 5th and 6th deployments to Iraq.


  118. Tau says:

    But, why would hiring a few smarmy College Republican-types to create fictional personas on liberal blogs take so many conspirators?
    Comment by Peter C

    Mr P {Shirley Ardell Mason aka Sybil} here has multiple personalities and often converses with itself.

    i would, but i dont want him to suck the soul out of my body.

    Comment by astrocreep

    That would require you to have a soul. I see nothing but darkness around you.


  119. astrocreep says:

    Comment by Tau — August 10, 2007 @ 11:10 pm

    haha you know me so well already. howd you know im surrounded by darkness? is it because im in a dark room??


  120. Peter C says:

    The ‘conspiracy’ theme comes out when they have to deride because they cannot discredit. It’s a bullying tactic. You’ll catch BillO, Coulter and Limbaugh using it all the time (if your stomach is strong enough). The assault on the public forum is a key strategy of Karl Rove and the Republicans. Their unpleasantness is strategic and aimed at suppressing discussion among citizens in general and participation in elections in particular. This is why our troll infestation characters should not be engaged directly. A vicious shouting match serves their purposes very well.


  121. BARTLEBEE says:

    you put it into words, bartlebee…

    ugh.
    .

    Comment by katy — August 10, 2007 @ 11:09 pm

    It pretty much sucks huh?

    The truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up, and now are going to let Americans bleed and die in Iraq, sending them over and over again, until Bush is out of office, and then dump the whole kit and bamboozle into the democrats lap.

    Suks a big one.


  122. GSD says:

    Peter C, Amen.

    Time to really pay attention and realize the corrosive power of cynicism that is fostered by the troll army.

    Perhaps we should just get an enlsitment form and post it everytime a tickles the keys.

    -GSD


  123. BARTLEBEE says:

    sorry lefties, you lose again!!!

    Comment by pussee — August 10, 2007 @ 11:13 pm

    Nope.

    The American soliders dying in Iraq are the ones who lose.


  124. GSD says:

    Bush and Cheney are enacting a slow bleed policy to drag the war out until 2009.

    Why are they slow bleeding the military?

    -GSD


  125. Peter C says:

    BARTLEBEE @ 150,

    I fear you might be right about Iran.

    This is why impeachment is so important. We can’t let the Administration have 18 more months to screw things up. We’ve got to get them out of office as quickly as possible.


  126. Arthur C. says:

    Mr P. = CT = p is so ill-informed that he thought if he was drafted he’d get to pick which branch of the armed services he wanted to serve in. See posts 28 & 30.

    Then he declined to state why, as a war hawk, he hasn’t enlisted even in the absence of a draft.

    What worthless bag of dog snot he is.


  127. katy says:

    The truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up [...]
    Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 11:16 pm

    yep… what i heard years ago on randi… “planned chaos”…

    ugh.
    .


  128. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    This is why our troll infestation characters should not be engaged directly. A vicious shouting match serves their purposes very well.

    Comment by Peter C — August 10, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

    Thank you, Peter C.


  129. rockyroad says:

    Bush, Cheney, Rove and your porgeny must be the first to enlist. Those who choose to wage wars must be the first to enlist.

    Washington, Eisenhower . . . these were leaders who knew the repercussions of war. If you’re not in for the fight, get out of the game.

    What have we got? A bunch of drft dodgers calling for a draft to support an illegal war.

    If we were to wage war on Iran in addition ot Iraq and Afghanastan, no doubt, we’d need more soldiers. Are the twins busy?

    George W. Bush, you dishonor this country as well as the office of the Presidency.

    Quit.


  130. BARTLEBEE says:

    I agree impeachment is critical, but what exactly can we do?

    We have the votes in the House to impeach, but we don’t have the votes in the Senate to ratify. We have a 1 vote majority in the Senate. And even IF Joe Lieberman doesn’t live up to his promise to switch parties if impeachment comes before the Senate, and even IF we could convince 1 3rd of the republicans to vote to ratify it, we still have DEMOCRATS who aren’t on board with it.

    I believe impeachment has to occur, and I think it will. I’m just afraid its going to take an ephiphany event or revelation for the democrats and enough republicans in the Senate, figure it out.


  131. katy says:

    very good thoughts and insight, peter c…


  132. GSD says:

    The amazing shifting enemy in Iraq.

    *Saddam and his WMDs.

    *Saddams sons.

    *Baathist elements and dead enders.(Remember the deck of cards)

    *Sunni insurgents.

    *Al Qaeda in Iraq.

    *Shiite militias.

    *Iranian backed Shiite militias.

    We are at war with Oceania.

    -GSD


  133. astrocreep says:

    we still have DEMOCRATS who aren’t on board with it.

    thats why, as far as politicians are concerned, democrats and republicans are essentially the same. they have their shouting matches, feign shock and disgust, but when it comes down to it, they’re all self serving materialistic bastards.


  134. RUCerious says:

    I sometimes wonder if a unilateral (unprevoked or response to false flag attack) act of war on Iran WOULD be enough to get the chymp impeached.


  135. Arthur C. says:

    Dems can’t accomplish impeachment on their own. To impeach, Republicans in the Senate have to be convinced that their own futures depend on eliminating Bush. Remember, it wasn’t the Dems who forced Nixon to resign: it was the GOP, desperately trying to save their own sorry asses.


  136. rockyroad says:

    Apparently, Laura has good aim with a car. Hook her up with a Humvee . . . hopefully, one with a little extra protection.


  137. Peter C says:

    My pleasure, RoS,
    It is difficult not responding, though; it is natural to see these comment forums as converations, because the regulars on the site do talk back and forth. But the troll personas are fiction. It helps to think of the author behind the character and see the reasons for their posts. That’s where the deception lies.

    Luckily, these are bad authors and their characters are very poorly drawn. Real people just aren’t that pigheaded, as much as Rove would like us to think they are.


  138. astrocreep says:

    is it now? then leave.


  139. rockyroad says:

    #167

    Doesn’t any one have leverage on Lieberman? The guy’s not golden. He’s got interests, he’s got flaws. He may even have a heart.

    Surely dems are better policos than this.

    He’s played dems too well. Get a clue. Fight back.


  140. rockyroad says:

    WOW Pee! I’ve had my comments censored on this site. Yikes. I really must have been tragically out of line.


  141. BARTLEBEE says:

    Well my comments are not appearing either.

    So I don’t think its censoring unless they’re trying to shut down the whole site.

    Most like a technical issue.


  142. BARTLEBEE says:

    I take it back. They let me post these comments, but my actual comment, which has NO profanity in it, and just talks about a related topic to the board, they won’t let me post for some reason.

    Somethings, or someone is really screwed up.


  143. BARTLEBEE says:

    Its the Iran thing. They don’t want anyone talking about the administrations plans to invade Iran.

    Thats PATHETIC.


  144. katy says:

    found this on the SALI thread… check it out!

    So p, and the other little trolls go to George Mason U in Northern Virginia. That’s all you need to know. Max Blumenthal did a great little film in July 2007 about a meeting of a group of college young republicans. You can find it on youtube and on Max’s website: http://maxblumenthal.com/archives/171.

    Who knows maybe some of the small-minded trolls here have starring roles. Watch them squirm as they try to explain why they are not in the military. At the end is a sad scene in which a poor kid keeps trying to convince himself as to how gay he isn’t. Max has another great video about the christian right that is truly scary.

    Comment by KayT — August 10, 2007 @ 6:03 pm

    thanks KayT
    !


  145. Arthur C. says:

    Doesn’t any one have leverage on Lieberman?

    Nope. He’s in office for 6 years, and afterwards will retire to a cushy rightwing “think” tank. Lieberman answers to nothing but his crippled soul.


  146. curmudgeon says:

    What has happened to Think Progress?

    I’ve tried to post even very mild comments on the site, and for whatever reason, they don’t seem survive the censors.

    Did Rupert Murdoch buy TP in the WSJ deal?


  147. JPark says:

    Bartlebee, they have their lame ass filters up again?


  148. JPark says:

    curmudgeon. I tried to do something about it last night. Apparantly, I failed.


  149. curmudgeon says:

    Has TP been told by the Dark Side to tame down their sites to Faux Noose’s standards or risk being shut down forever?

    It sure seems that way.


  150. JPark says:

    They caved for 5 minutes…today they are back to their old ways. Attytood, here I come.


  151. Arthur C. says:

    Comment by curmudgeon

    Shaddap, Mr P.


  152. MARIO says:

    Bartlebee, they have their lame ass filters up again?

    Comment by JPark — August 10, 2007 @ 11:45 pm

    I don’t know J, but someones nuking almost ALL of my posts.

    I just told the TP Censor to go F himself.


  153. JPark says:

    Anybody that is totally sick of TP’s arbitrary BS…go to Attytood. Will Bunch told me we are welcome there.


  154. MARIO says:

  155. JPark says:

    MARIO, I went absolutely ballistic last night and they dropped their filters. Apparently they had a meeting today and decided they are not fans of their regulars.


  156. Tom3 says:

    Draft Young Repukes!!

    Draft Chickenhawks!!


  157. JPark says:

    http://www.attytood.com. They are based in Philly and are Phillycentric but it is a great site.


  158. Arthur C. says:

    WHats the URL J? — Comment by MARIO

    Google it, dumbass.


  159. MARIO says:

    J ,Its me, Bartlebee. I had to change handles to get anything through.

    They are like blognazis or something.

    I’m sick of it.


  160. MARIO says:

    Google it, dumbass.

    Comment by Arthur C#nT. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

    Your mom already did google it for me.

    Or was that gargle it for me?

    :|

    Oh well, whatever, she took care of it.


  161. JPark says:

    TP dies not with a bang, but a wimper.


  162. JPark says:

    Arthur, gargle (or was it google) this, teabaggee.


  163. rockyroad says:

    BARTLEBEE ,

    My censored comments didn’t include any profanity either, they were apparently just not fit for human consumption.


  164. shane says:

    The truth is the republicans know exactly where they’re going with this. They screwed it up, and now are going to let Americans bleed and die in Iraq, sending them over and over again, until Bush is out of office, and then dump the whole kit and bamboozle into the democrats lap.

    Suks a big one.

    Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 10, 2007 @ 11:16 pm

    Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! I believe you’ve summed it up in a nutshell.


  165. Jay Randal says:

    Well if there is a draft, then all 5 of Romneys’ sons must be drafted.


  166. Arthur C. says:

    Comment by MARIO — August 10, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    My mom’s dead. You must have snot for brains, what kind of moron can’t figure out to google “attytood”?


  167. katy says:

    Comment by curmudgeon

    Shaddap, Mr P.
    Comment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

    arthur – curmudgeon is a friendly… not mr.p…

    all – i’ve had no troubles posting… just f.y.i. …

    time to unfold and watch olberman, late edition…

    g’nite…


  168. shane says:

    What worthless bag of dog snot he is.

    Comment by Arthur C. — August 10, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

    Uh, Arthur, I don’t think that’s snot ….


  169. DISTURBIA says:

    Its definately some little prick censoring.

    I just tried to post my original comment that they kept deleting, under this handle, and they STILL nuked it, so they’re clearly being wimps.

    I think its time to stop supporting wimpy blogs.


  170. JPark says:

    Arthur C. Go Google yourself you little crap eater. Maybe not clever but appropriate.


  171. JPark says:

    Disturbia, go to Attytood. He is going to have one popular blog.


  172. Arthur C. says:

    JPark? Blow me, doughbrain.


  173. DISTURBIA says:

    They just won’t let me post this one comment.

    All I am doing is predicting one possible scenario that may occur and its like they don’t want it printed for some reason. No profanity. Its loosely related to the thread topic.

    But they just keep deleting it. I’ve tried to post it now about 12 times and they just keep nuking it.


  174. ronjazz says:

    The very idea of a standing army is antiAmerican in the extreme. The founders didn’t want it knowing full well that sociopaths like Bush would come along and use good, if misguided, young patriots to line the pockets of fatcat friends. They have been proven prescient and right over the years, much to America’s shame. A draft is a perfectly good way to fight justifiable wars, and in real wartime, is hardly needed, as all patriots understand the urgency of the cause. On the other hand, attacking and occupying innocent sovereign nations for financial and political benefit can only be done with a standing volunteer force, which is why there shiould be only the barest force needed for maintenance. The idea that we are in a war is laughable. The 19 that attacked us are already dead, and the supposed ringleader was freed by Bush, after Bush surrendered to all of his desires. Bush immediately lost the first and only battle, and then proceeded to take out his anger and frustration on the weakest country he could find. It was illegal, it was immoral, it was unnecessary, and it amounts to mass murder, war-profiteering and treason. Impeachment is the only solution, and those who don’t think there would be enough votes don’t understand what a trial would reveal. Bush would be convicted virtually unanimously, as anyone who voted against conviction would find his or her political career dead forever. the trolls are simpletons, tricked into disrupting boards like this by appeals to their lizard brains, and their false patriotism, which is really Nazi nationalism. There isn’t one among them who hasn’t proven to be a racist, a homophobe (in spite of their closetted status), a misogynist and a hypocrite. They’re playing a game, and most are not being paid for it, because they’re willing dupes of their fascist masters. This has been seen before, only 80 years ago or so. it doesn’t matter if we ignore or engage them, it’s just a game. the real fight is in the voting booths and on the streets, where you wiull never encounter any of these cowards. p’s meltdown earlier was easy to engineer, he melted down twice, just like a 2-year-old. i can accomplish it any time i want, but once done, it’s hardly fun any more, so ignoring his lies and propaganda becomes the next move in the game.


  175. Peter C says:

    I agree with Bartlebee at 181; I think it’s just technical problems. Sure is fun to see Pee’s author get so ticked off in his paranoia, though. Some people think the world revolves around them.


  176. rockyroad says:

    Bartlbee -

    Bizarre, I really was just joking when I mentioned TP censorship . . . yet my response wasn’t posted.

    Odd.


  177. Tom3 says:

    Draft Chickenhawks!!


  178. JPark says:

    Arthur, I will pass. I don’t go for pity f^cks.


  179. Arthur C. says:

    arthur – curmudgeon is a friendly… not mr.p

    I apologize, curmudgeon. Thanks katy.


  180. JPark says:

    Peter C. No, it has been too long too be a “technical problem”.


  181. DISTURBIA says:

    Alright. Anyone who wants to see the comment that TP doesn’t want you to read, follow this link.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442

    If that link doesn’t work just go to

    http://www.lydiacornell.com/blog.html and click the latest blog. You’ll see it posted at the bottom under my real handle, Bartlebee.

    I’m gonna split for now, because this blog has become LAME.

    Really, really LAME.


  182. Tom3 says:

    i need tp for my pee pee!!

    tp!! pee pee!!


  183. Sonny Black says:

    We should only draft liberals to show them what it’s like to finally serve in the military.


  184. JPark says:

    Christ, pee-pee is right for once.


  185. rockyroad says:

    Yeah Peter C, perhaps it’s my own paranoia, but I see no reason to believe that you are not the Pee, and now trying to sooth our soft dem psyches.


  186. ronjazz says:

    We should only draft liberals to show them what it’s like to finally serve in the military.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 12:04 am

    You should take a count of how many Dem congressmen have served vs repuke chickenhawks, sonnyboy. conservatives are cowards.


  187. Tom3 says:

    tp!! pee pee!!

    seriously, you’re not going to actually take someone seriously when the ir nick is pee pee…and they’r e an obvious REPUKE troll.


  188. DISTURBIA says:

    I agree with Bartlebee at 181; I think it’s just technical problems. Sure is fun to see Pee’s author get so ticked off in his paranoia, though. Some people think the world revolves around them.

    Comment by Peter C — August 11, 2007 @ 12:01 am

    NO.

    They ARE censoring.

    I cannot post ONE PARTICULAR COMMENT.

    I just posted a LINK to THAT COMMENT.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442

    There it is again.

    Go read the ONE COMMENT TP WON’T LET ME POST IN HERE, and see if you can figure out why they are so afraid of this ONE COMMENT

    I sure can’t.


  189. JPark says:

    Nobody is going to Attytood. Nice job liberals. Maybe the right is right.


  190. JPark says:

    I thought the right were sheep.


  191. rockyroad says:

    What’s going on with this wibsite? Is it TP or something else?


  192. rockyroad says:

    TP, we’d really like an answer.


  193. Tom3 says:

    didn’t eric foreman do the streak, screaming “TP…Pee Pee!!”


  194. JPark says:

    It is no longer thinkprogress, rocky, it is thinkregress. They are banning and deleting long time posters.


  195. JPark says:

    Have I been banned, TP?


  196. JPark says:

    Not yet, I guess. Do you think you MIGHT want to change your ways? 80% of the liberals have serious questions for you. Do you really want to be KOS lite?


  197. Tom3 says:

    this will make you put skidmarks in your shorts.

    google “saddam dam”

    the shit is about to hit the fan.


  198. Sonny Black says:

    Why don’t liberals serve in the military?


  199. rockyroad says:

    JPark,

    The blogosphere my only be inhabited by middle-aged white men, but take it from a young, well-educated white woman, I will kick your ass. Not in the parking lot, but I’m pretty good. A proven product. You just keep on yapping, I’ll keep watching and . . . rodeo!

    Pee is invited to the party.


  200. Bill says:

    My son will be taken to Canada or anywhere else that this dick head can not get his hands on him!!!


  201. Egreggious says:

    In fact you are arguing that TP isn’t censoring, when it clearly is!!!

    Comment by pee-pee — August 11, 2007 @ 12:04 am

    C
    O
    N
    S
    P
    I
    R
    A
    C
    Y
    !


  202. JPark says:

    rocky road, what the f^ck are you talking about? Are you defending TP’s deleting and banning of liberals? If so, you are nothing but a worthless troll. Two, a woman? Kicking my ass?


  203. Arthur C. says:

    OK, as an experiment I just tried to post Bartlebee’s comment, and it failed to post. Go read it: I can’t conceive of a legitimate reason to suppress it.

    That really sucks.


  204. Sonny Black says:

    There should be a draft to give liberals the chance to finally serve in the military.


  205. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    ignoring his lies and propaganda becomes the next move in the game.

    Comment by ronjazz — August 11, 2007 @ 12:01 am

    It’s the only thing that’s going to work, guys.


  206. ronjazz says:

    Why should liberals serve in the military? why should they put their lives on the line for Bush’s oil profits? Why should anybody? Only the poor need to, and you conservative cowards count on that. We don’t need a standing army, and whenever we have one, it gets abused by rich white trash.


  207. JPark says:

    Mr. P., you have been deleted plenty.


  208. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    There should be a draft to give liberals the chance to finally serve in the military.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 12:19 am

    This is an irrational comment. Don’t reply to it.


  209. katy says:

    bartlebee… i did a copy/paste and tried to post your comment…

    no go…

    and now, i start having troubles…

    and onother thing, guys … jeesh! i leave for a few minutes
    and come back to see you all at each other’s throats!
    what the h*ll happened?!
    now be nice! -mom
    .


  210. JPark says:

  211. ronjazz says:

    It’s the only thing that’s going to work, guys.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 11, 2007 @ 12:20 am

    not quite, TRoS, p melted down through a combination of ignoring and pissing him off. That worked very well, indeed. now, nobody takes him seriously except his sock puppets. He has been neutralized.


  212. Sonny Black says:

    Liberals loath military service. That’s why there should be a draft, so they will see what it’s like to serve country.


  213. JPark says:

    Sorry, eater. You aren’t a dittohead? :)


  214. ronjazz says:

    There are virtually no conservatives in Congress who have served in the military. Do they hate America, or are conservatives just born cowards?


  215. JPark says:

    Sonny and his ilk will be the only ones posting when TP is done editing liberal comments.


  216. ronjazz says:

    conservatives loathe Americans. that’s one reason they don’t serve in Bush’s military. The fact that they’re cowards is another.


  217. JPark says:

    Things you can’t talk about on TP…liberal things and Israel.


  218. JPark says:

    And some things Mr. P likes.


  219. Sonny Black says:

    Mr. P,

    Ronjazz needs to learn some respect for the US. He needs to be drafted and shown what it’s like to serve country.


  220. JPark says:

    And apparently, whatever Bartlebee said (which, unless he spelled the swear word out, I don’t see why).


  221. JPark says:

    I know, P. They have become irrelevant over night. Ok, 3 nights.


  222. JPark says:

    Did Rupert buy out TP?


  223. Peter C says:

    I’ve had posts which didn’t go through, too. I just wrote a long response to RonJazz (214) about standing armies, declaring war, and the importance of reducing the power of the executive through impeachment. I don’t think it is censorship from TP, though. There is plenty of technology in between and complex computer systems have plenty of benign bugs.


  224. katy says:

    Sorry, eater. You aren’t a dittohead? :)
    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    that would be mr.p… you missed the clue…


  225. Dr. Dog says:

    I reported Bartlebee to TP. They are taking corrective action against him.


  226. JPark says:

    No, Petey, it is not censorship. All of a sudden, they are deleting posts by long time commenters with absolutely no explanation. Nope, not censorship.


  227. ronjazz says:

    Trolls who never served talking to each other about a draft. Too funny. i smell more sock puppets. Sonny is another of Sybil’s imaginary friends. another coward.


  228. Sonny Black says:

    Libs have their comments deleted because they are trolls.


  229. JPark says:

    katy, I didn’t miss anything. I know exactly who he is.


  230. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    The liberals here have become the trolls. I’ve been saying this for quite some time.


  231. ronjazz says:

    I don’t think a debate by someone self-named shiteater would be very productive, so piss off. Lots of ignorant paranoia around here from the rightards tonight.


  232. JPark says:

    Les Claypool is god.


  233. JPark says:

    Funny A$$mask, I have never seen your name. FU AND TP.


  234. Sonny Black says:

    Shiteater,

    Ronjazz is the propaganda unit for al qaeda.


  235. JPark says:

    ronjazz, are you reflexively defending TP?


  236. Egreggious says:

    TP and I agree on everything.

    I never get deleted.


  237. JPark says:

    Sonny, you are kinda dumb, no?


  238. Peter C says:

    262,

    Trolls spew bile and get through, but liberals are censored??? That wouldn’t explain pee’s meltdown. Did he get censored for criticizing Israel?? Not so likely, I think.

    I read too slowly to know the contents of the deleted posts whose holes I see occasionally. They seem to be especially vile, though, by the reactions that get posted.


  239. ronjazz says:

    I wonder why conservatives are such cowards? Is it because they are stupid, and prone to being manipulated? is it because they think that anyone values them in any way? that would be the height of egotism, to think that a conservative has any value in a liberal democracy. Perhaps it’s just that they’re born that way.


  240. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    You should have seen me around before, Jpunk. I’ve slapped around many of the liberal trolls here for fun.


  241. JPark says:

    LOL, Eggy. I used to only get deleted when I got out of line. No longer.


  242. Sonny Black says:

    Mr. P,

    When the libtards say that you melted down, what are they talking about?


  243. Egreggious says:

    Has anyone here been slapped around?


  244. JPark says:

    A$$mark, I have been around for years and have never seen you. What are you smoking? Or is it a new name? I think you are just full of it since you don’t claim to have “slapped me around”.


  245. Dr. Dog says:

    I reported Bartlebee and a lot of the libs to TP for TOS violations. It looks like it is starting to work.


  246. Jay Randal says:

    LOL I was busy surfing the news and then come back here to see a GOPer troll convention. You all need to go hang out on RedState.com.


  247. JPark says:

    Sonny, they meant he started acting like a moron…like you.


  248. curmudgeon says:

    For what it’s worth, I’ve saved comments before trying to post them on this site, and when they don’t appear here, have then pasted the same exact comments on competing websites, where there has been no problem.

    Could be that the extreme censorship issue is isolated to TP rather than the progressive blogosphere as a whole.

    Any other thoughts?


  249. katy says:

    jeesh… keith probably made a deal – you can run that segment
    when i go on vacation…
    countdown is running part of david gregory’s interview
    with tony snow… about ‘living with cancer’…
    touching…


  250. Arthur C. says:

    Peter C, have you read Bartlebee’s suppressed post? It’s on this page:

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442

    …near the end; find “bartlebee.”

    Why in heaven’s name was that censored? Copy it and try posting it yourself.


  251. bilbobaggins says:

    “If the thugs in Washington go that route—instituting a draft to fight all the wars they need to fill their bloodlust—that would probably be the beginning of the end for them.”

    They are not really in it to fill their bloodlust, they are in it to fill their pocket books with cash, you know, cash from us taxpayers.

    I think that there should be a requirement that every member of Congress must have at least one child in the military before they can vote on anything involving the military. And if they don’t have any eligible children, then they will have to choose a niece or nephew.

    Personally I think that at least one year of national service (i.e. the draft) should be mandatory for all citizens of this country. The service can be joining the military or working with non-profit groups to make life better for people. Maybe if our children learn to have a vested interest in their country, they might not be as willing to engage in vanity wars.


  252. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    JPunk…it is BrassMASK. Not BrassmaRk. I have been posting here for months. I’ve never seen you on before. Are you a new little troll?


  253. ronjazz says:

    Well, I’ve not been censored. I’m not defending TP, I have no problem at this point. To answer your second question, JPark, yes, Sonny is really dumb. He doesn’t even know that the liberals who have served outnumber the conservatives by a good 20 to 1 in Congress currently. He’s not as dumb as shiteater, though, and I dont even need to point out why. Suffice it to say that neither of these morons has donned the uniform of anything but a McDonalds.


  254. JPark says:

    Eggy, I have never been slapped around. I have not seen too much of the old troll slapping around the liberal thing.


  255. Egreggious says:

    They are probably talking about some debate that they think I lost.

    Comment by shiteater — August 11, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    Safe bet.


  256. JPark says:

    A$$munch, I don’t know you. And until recently only righty Rove-teabaggers were trolls (you).


  257. Sonny Black says:

    I have been following your career for a while now, Mr. P, and I have never seen you “melt down.” I’ve seen you deal a smack down, though. We need more like you.


  258. JPark says:

    ronjazz, I and several long time posters have been deleted for nothing. Go read Bartlebee’s post (on the link since it was deleted here).


  259. Arthur C. says:

    Mr. P, When the libtards say that you melted down, what are they talking about? — Comment by Sonny Black

    SB, I have no idea. They are probably talking about some debate that they think I lost. — Comment by shiteater

    Addressed to Mr. P, answered — in the first person — by shiteater. He/she’s grown very careless with his/her multiple nicks. It must be confusing, juggling all those phony identities.


  260. JPark says:

    Sonny, and you finally saw fit to post? Wait, I am not on your Buscemi list, am I???


  261. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    It’s an all new ballgame now, JPunk. The liberals are now the trolls here. Look at all the bile they post. It’s pure hate and their posts are getting deleted for it. We have won!


  262. JPark says:

    LOL, I have a rebuttal!!!! cons=stupid. This is awfully fulfilling!!!


  263. Egreggious says:

    So, since TP has dumbed down the blog, it seems I can only say:

    libs = stupid.

    Do you have a rebuttal?

    Comment by shiteater — August 11, 2007 @ 12:43 am

    Bring on the stupid!


  264. JPark says:

    You just might be right, Brassmask.


  265. Jay Randal says:

    Brassmask > lol you have won nothing. Get over yourself already.


  266. JPark says:

    I know that many of us don’t feel all that welcome here anymore. And who the hell would get rid of true and Zooey for f^cking A$$mask?


  267. Sonny Black says:

    Arthur you are a jackass if you don’t know who Mr. P is. He’s a legend here. His work is constantly praised on Redstate for going into the heart of the beast and sticking in his sword.


  268. Jay Randal says:

    JPark > Zooey has been banned from TP or she just got fed up?


  269. Egreggious says:

    The country whose name sounds like:

    eye + past tense of the word “run”

    is off limits (for me at least).

    Pathetic, TP.

    Comment by shiteater — August 11, 2007 @ 12:48 am

    You can still go there, as soon as Cheney decides it’s time.


  270. BARTLEBEE says:

    I read too slowly to know the contents of the deleted posts whose holes I see occasionally. They seem to be especially vile, though, by the reactions that get posted.

    Comment by Peter C — August 11, 2007 @ 12:36 am

    If you want to see the content of the post they wouldn’t let me post for some reason, go here.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9102706&postID=2143270141519648442

    Scroll down and read the next to last post by BARTLEBEE. Thats the comment I tried to post in here, but TP for some reason wouldn’t permit it.

    Maybe you can tell me whats wrong with it.


  271. Egreggious says:

    Zooey has been banned from TP or she just got fed up?

    Comment by Jay Randal — August 11, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    Jay, I think Zooey is just on the road right now. She e-mailed me earlier and said nothing about being banned.


  272. bilbobaggins says:

    “I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. Some of these trolls no doubt work for political outfits, hired to simply disrupt and vandalize progressive blogs. I picture college Republican types, maybe doing a volunteer or low pay internship for the RNC or Karl’s shop or whatever.
    Comment by VerbalKint”

    You are probably right in your assessment. And yet you encourage them. You play “whack a troll” daily, with your troll whacking posts far outnumbering any posts you make regarding the subject at hand.


  273. JPark says:

    Sonny, a legend? Are you stoned. I am one of the few (ok, maybe one) guy that likes him. Legend is WAY over the top.


  274. Jay Randal says:

    Mr. P is a legend on TP and praised on RedState blog???


  275. Dr. Dog says:

    I got Zooby banned. He made some horrible comments about my mother and I emailed them to TP. Zooby was taken care of.


  276. Arthur C. says:

    When you say “libtards” it’s like advertising that you have the mind of an 11 year old.


  277. rockyroad says:

    TP, if you’re going to censure, censor these guys: JPark and Sonny Blacl/

    Lord knows, they probably hail from an RNC website, block that one too.

    Kisses boys.


  278. JPark says:

    Jay, I think she was fed up because they were deleting her innocuous posts.


  279. Egreggious says:

    His work is constantly praised on Redstate for going into the heart of the beast and sticking in his sword.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    The beast is his puppy.


  280. JPark says:

    No, Eggy, it is not just a matter of her being on the road. When she left she was pretty pissed at good old TP. And I don’t blame her one bit.


  281. Sonny Black says:

    Mr. P is praised all the time on Redstate for coming in here and doing battle one against 10 liberal trolls. Some of the other conseravatives and I try to come and help him whenever we can. Mr. P really deserves a lot of respect.


  282. JPark says:

    Dr. Dog, you eat your own feces. Your comments are not needed.


  283. beavis says:

    #258

    Sonny is right.

    This is why I look – with admiration – to the military service of Dick Cheney.

    Dick Cheney … 5 years in the Navy – Purple Heart …

    … uh… I mean 5 deferments, chickenhawk …


  284. JPark says:

    Fine rocky. Go right to the Republican way of censoring.


  285. Sonny Black says:

    Egreggious it is comments like that that get deleted. It’s trollish.


  286. JPark says:

    You do realize I am a liberal, right rocky? And I am railing against TP for using right wing tactics?


  287. Sonny Black says:

    Beavis, Bill Clinton dodged the draft and started 3 wars while he was president.


  288. rockyroad says:

    Dr. Dog,

    Bartlbee is a babe. Why the heck would you have a problem with a smooch?

    Bad Dog.


  289. JPark says:

    No, P!!!! Rocky and I are soul mates!!! I hear “You are so beautiful to me” every time he appears!!!


  290. Sonny Black says:

    Jpark, it is hard to tell who is liberal and who is conservative at TP anymore. There is something going on.


  291. Arthur C. says:

    Mr. P is a legend? — Comment by Jay Randall

    Indeed, Jay, indeed. — Comment by shiteater

    Too funny… since we know Mr P. and shiteater are one and the same person. Posting under multiple nicks, praising himself, for what, to boost his battered ego? That’s… pathetic.


  292. Jay Randal says:

    So RedState people come onto TP just to cause trouble, and disrupt the threads, but if progressives go to that blog they get banned fast.


  293. Peter C says:

    Bartlebee @331,

    I tried what you suggested twice and had no luck. I have no explanation. I don’t see anything objectionable about your comment. I did notice that when I followed your link that my system had a message about secure and insecure items (or some such).

    I can’t think of an algorythm which would pick out any particular words in your comment, though.

    I think I’ve had trouble posting copied text occasionally, though.


  294. JPark says:

    Clinton was an ass but he was not a draft dodger, he was a conscientious objector. Bush dodged with the Champagne unit and Cheney dodged by going to school for 15 years.


  295. Egreggious says:

    Hillary Clinton is a woman.

    Too controversial?

    Conservative or liberal comment?


  296. JPark says:

    Arthur, I didn’t see shiteater praise Mr. P.


  297. Egreggious says:

    Pee has no time to visit RedState.


  298. JPark says:

    Jay, I am not sure that is TP’s biggest problem. They are hemorraghing liberal goodwill.


  299. Peter C says:

    Signing off now. ‘night.


  300. rockyroad says:

    JPark, no, really didn’t get that from you.. . . I’m not real happy with TP’s right wing ways but didn’t quite see it in your posts. . . . show me the way. . . I’d like a map out of this morass.


  301. Sonny Black says:

    Hillary Clinton doesn’t have much cleavage. She’s not sexy.

    Judith Giuliani and Jeri Thompson are knock outs.


  302. DISTURBIA says:

    I’m disturbed by this whole thing.

    :|

    Or maybe I’m just disturbed.


  303. JPark says:

    rocky, I have been here for years and I have never been anything close to a righty. You must have come on in the last couple of days. I have been really pissed at TP. They are DLC wimps now. I am surprised I haven’t been banned for being to liberal…yet.


  304. Jay Randal says:

    JPark > TP staff apparently want some trolls on here. For what purpose I have no idea, but perhaps to just to add more posts to each thread.


  305. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    The NY Daily News recently wrote an article about TP and included three blog comments from this site. Two of the three were from conservatives.


  306. katy says:


    i love “heart puppy” too… and borat…

    that’s all…

    well, it was a good conversation till around the 200 mark…

    g’nite all…


  307. JPark says:

    Sonny, to sink to your level, Kuciniches wife would wipe the floor with Rudy and Fred’s byatches.


  308. ronjazz says:

    Beavis, Bill Clinton dodged the draft and started 3 wars while he was president.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    Finished them too, with not a single American death. that’s what a president does. What Bush is doing is what an incompetent psycho does. Bush is losing three wars, simultaneously. And killing more Americans than Bin Laden. And deserted his unit in wartime. he’s a real piece of work, but it’s no wonder that rightards look up to him, he’s still more accomplished than they are. Wearing a McDonalds uniform isn’t quite the same, as you know.


  309. JPark says:

    “JPark > TP staff apparently want some trolls on here. For what purpose I have no idea, but perhaps to just to add more posts to each thread.”

    I am AOK with that. It adds some spice. But to delete liberal posts that are much less offensive is way over the top.


  310. Sonny Black says:

    TP at its heart is a DLC outfit. They were set up to support Hillary Clinton by Jon Pedesta. This should not be a shock to any of you. What they are doing is slowly weeding out the liberal trolls to invite in the DLC types like Harold Ford, Jr. They are not going to get any votes for Hillary with the bile being posted by liberal trolls now. That’s one of the reasons the deletions have begun.


  311. Anyone Here says:

    Does anyone here know why the NY Daily News finds my comments uninteresting?


  312. JPark says:

    Right on, ronjazz, imagine if a Republican could wage a war with no US deaths?


  313. ronjazz says:

    Judith Giuliani and Jeri Thompson are knock outs.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 1:01 am

    Too bad their husbands are such useless pieces of sh*t.


  314. rockyroad says:

    Back in the day, Ted Turner founded CNN . . . it was a good source of news. Today, the neo-cons have over taken that news outspost and, when when we tune in forCNN, we get a Fox-jaded version of reality. Unfortunately, for a considerable part of the population, they consume and digest what is broadcast to them as the truth.

    For us news junkies, we are horrified.

    Sorry to rant, but media consolidation is a problem that must be addressed. TP’s censorship plays into that paradigm.


  315. JPark says:

    P, honestly I thought of Bush when I saw he goes so far right he touches left.


  316. JPark says:

    Sonny, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. Banned.


  317. Jay Randal says:

    DLC cannot force Hillary Clinton down our throats, not on here, nor on Daily Kos.


  318. Harold Ford, Jr. says:

    Is it OK if I start posting here now?


  319. ronjazz says:

    The New York Daily news absorbs bird sh*t very well. Other than that, nothing but trash for the round file.


  320. Sonny Black says:

    Jpark, it’s not sinking to any level. Kucinich’s wife is a babe. He should be proud that he landed her. He also won the recent AFL debate too.

    But the knockers on Judith Giulani and Jeri Thompson are insane.


  321. Dr. Dog says:

    Just to keep you all in the loop, Wayne has not sent me that fax yet.


  322. ronjazz says:

    But the knockers on Judith Giulani and Jeri Thompson are insane.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 1:09 am

    anybody can buy them, even you. You werent properly weaned, were you? fixation on breasts is so mature. typical wingnut moron. valuing women for bags of fat.


  323. Egreggious says:

    Sonny Black = The Eck


  324. ronjazz says:

    Just to keep you all in the loop, Wayne has not sent me that fax yet.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 11, 2007 @ 1:11 am

    why don’t you tattle on him, ball-licker? that’s your strongest move, coward.


  325. JPark says:

    But Judith and Jeri are having sex with old Republicans. That is just sick.


  326. JPark says:

  327. ronjazz says:

    But Judith and Jeri are having sex with old Republicans. That is just sick.

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 1:12 amThey’re in it for the money, just Republican whores. Look at the way they dress. Cheap whores.


  328. Egreggious says:

    But Judith and Jeri are having sex with old Republicans. That is just sick.

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 1:12 am

    Are you saying Congressional pages are sick?


  329. TrollsSUK says:

    #

    TP IS A PROPAGANDA MACHINE!!! IT WILL CENSOR ANYTHING THAT DOESN’T CONFORM TO THE OFFICIAL TP IDEOLOGY!!!

    TP = STALINIST!!! TP = STALINIST!!! TP = STALINIST!!!

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by pee-pee — August 11, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    You might want to quit your meth habit Mr. Puss.


  330. Dr. Dog says:

    I also offered to box Wayne in any ring in the country and he cut and ran.


  331. ronjazz says:

    Are you saying Congressional pages are sick?

    Comment by Egreggious — August 11, 2007 @ 1:14 am

    sick of Republican homosexual rape, for sure.


  332. Sonny Black says:

    Judith and Jeri are both well acomplished women.

    But they are flat out hot. And it works to their advantage.


  333. ronjazz says:

    I also offered to box Wayne in any ring in the country and he cut and ran.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 11, 2007 @ 1:14 am

    Liar. You cried about being out of shape and whined for 6 month’s training.


  334. sam says:

    “Judith Giuliani and Jeri Thompson are knock outs.”

    You have some low standards. Dennis Kucinich’s wife, on the other hand, could be a swimsuit model. She is quite possibly the must attractive wife of a presidential hopeful ever.


  335. ronjazz says:

    judith and Jeri are accomplished high-priced call girls. that works to their advantage.


  336. Egreggious says:

    You cried about being out of shape and whined for 6 month’s training.

    Comment by ronjazz — August 11, 2007 @ 1:16 am

    What is it with Republicans always needing just another six months?


  337. rockyroad says:

    Sonny, here we were thinking that you were the black-suited, red tied, exemplary Christian representative of the Republican Administration . . . OH, NO, you’re a BOOB MAN. SONNY BLACK THE BOOB MAN! Who would of thunk? Who’s payroll are you on? Well, Boob man, you too can get a pair of monoliths for a mere $13,000. Got a doc here who will give you a pair of beauts for a baker’s dozen (times one thousand). You can have non stop fun for years.


  338. JPark says:

    TrollSUK, I agree with him. They DO censor anything that doesn’t conform to their ideology. They seem to have lifted the AIPAC ban since I threw my fit but what about the next thing? And why was Bartlebee deleted 3 times (submitted 3 different people)?


  339. ronjazz says:

    Sonny’s just a boob.


  340. JPark says:

    Chalk up another deleted post. Add to my hatred…please.


  341. Egreggious says:

    She is quite possibly the must attractive wife of a presidential hopeful ever.

    Comment by sam — August 11, 2007 @ 1:17 am

    Aaron Burr’s wife was hot.


  342. JPark says:

    Honestly, rocky, I thought he just liked breathing through his mouth.


  343. Dr. Dog says:

    Obvioiusly you missed my 6 month joke.

    I recently offered to box Wayne and so far he has refused to respond. I’ll either box him or recieve his fax, either way ball is in his court.


  344. Egreggious says:

    Was shiteater a Greek philosopher?


  345. JPark says:

    I don’t think so, P. She would probably have have seen me and not thought I was a troll.


  346. Sonny Black says:

    “OH, NO, you’re a BOOB MAN. SONNY BLACK THE BOOB MAN!” -rockyroad

    This is the quote of the day!


  347. sam says:

    “What is it with Republicans always needing just another six months?”

    and another six inches.


  348. rockyroad says:

    No shiteater, I am just shamelesslly myself.


  349. Egreggious says:

    and another six Congressional pages.


  350. Probus says:

    Our military is over stretched. Bush will never ask for a draft because he knows it will be an unpopular decision. But if Bush thinks this war is a struggle to save civilization, then a draft would be the right step. The absence of a draft puts the burden on those serving in Iraq. If republicans feel strongly about the Iraq war, then serving should be mandatory so rich kids like Romney’s don’t get to sit out wars their fathers support. Though as a rich kid Bush managed to avoid combat service in Vietnam.


  351. Brassmask from 3DHS says:

    Where the hell is McMetal? That liberal little flamer can flame back and forth for hours like a machine.


  352. Sonny Black says:

    Shiteater. hahaha

    Great handle Mr. P. You are the man!


  353. rockyroad says:

    #412. I have to laugh. You must be so proud. God bless any women in your life.


  354. JPark says:

    LOL, P, you do get off on right wing talking points sometimes. That is a bit of a turn off to liberal women.


  355. Egreggious says:

    W**t th* h*ll a*e y** t**k*ng ab**t?


  356. Sonny Red says:

    Yo, what’s up my brothers?


  357. JPark says:

    rocky, I don’t get it. What is with the hostility? You are harder on me than you are Republicans.


  358. sam says:

    6 months, 6 inches, 6 pages … It’s the sign of the devil!! Can I get a witness. Ramen.


  359. Egreggious says:

  360. JPark says:

    What is wrong with that comment, P? If someone feels so strongly about the Iraq war that they have to come and comment on a liberal (nominally and maybe not so nominally anymore) I think it is fair to ask them why the he!! they are not over there.


  361. Egreggious says:

    Cue Brassmask and Afghanistan…


  362. JPark+SonnyB=LOVE says:

    JPark and Sonny Black…Are these two still dating????


  363. Sonny Red says:

  364. JPark says:

    Afghanistan is so ‘03. Those days are over. And now the Taliban is happy we pulled out so they can take over their country again. Opium rocks!!!


  365. Sonny Black says:

    We have a love-hate relationship.


  366. Sonny Muslim says:

    Republicans are odorless.


  367. JPark says:

    Yes, because I am so like Sonny it makes you want to vomit. Dumbass.


  368. rockyroad says:

    So Mr S**teater, you are Mr. Pee.

    Nice.

    I’m still watching.


  369. JPark says:

    So, TP doesn’t ACTUALLY want debate? Shocking.


  370. Sonny Muslim says:

  371. JPark says:

    Sonny, because the only ones fighting are the poor, you moron.


  372. sam says:

    “Republicans are odorless.”

    In a Stepford kind of way.


  373. Sonny Muslim says:

    The only ones talking about imposing a draft are the Dems, like Charlie Rangle and John F. Kerry, III.

    Comment by Sonny Red — August 11, 2007 @ 1:35 am

    Did you read the article?


  374. JPark says:

    As soon as Senator Busybody’s kid has to go fight in this idiotic war…it is over.


  375. JPark says:

    Romper room wasn’t quite as fascist.


  376. sam says:

    Ann Coulter smells good? You can’t look at that bolemic transexual without thinking Old-Spice and vomit.


  377. rockyroad says:

    JPark, here you post something about Afghanistan that makes me want to tlke you, then you go compare yourself to Sonny.

    Work with me here.


  378. JPark says:

    Well, Mann smells like vomit and eaten away esophagi, that is a given.


  379. Sonny Muslim says:

    The only ones fighting are the truly brave.


  380. JPark says:

    rocky, you want to reread the posts?


  381. Egreggious says:

    Yes, Ann Coultier is a beautiful woman. Sam, you would bed her if you had the chance.

    Comment by Sonny Red — August 11, 2007 @ 1:40 am

    sam, trust me, sex with transsexuals isn’t that great.


  382. JPark says:

    I don’t believe I ever compared myself to Sonny. I have a weak stomach.


  383. sam says:

    Sonny Red. That’s sick.


  384. Jake D. says:

    ECHO.

    RUN, CINDY, RUN!!!


  385. JPark says:

    Bush went to Texas AND Alabama. What a hero!!!!


  386. JPark says:

    Oh, Buscemi is here. YAY!!!!


  387. rockyroad says:

    Creepy, don’t know what TP’s policy is acout posting prisoner’s cemments (frankly don’t even know my own), but “shiteater” is in the pen and he also goes by “mr. pee”. Maybe its just me, but I really have no interest in conversing with the “shiteater” or with “mr. pee.” If you’re censoring your website, block these names.


  388. JPark says:

    I guess I would rather go to Vietnam than Alabama, too.


  389. JPark says:

    Sonny, how about sticking to those who are pimping the war? Hmm?



  390. JPark says:

    Like you, chickenhawk.


  391. JPark says:

    Coulter is beautiful? What? If you are into necrophilia, sure!!!


  392. Jake D. says:

    If a draft is what it takes to git ‘er done . . .


  393. JPark says:

    Um, Bush claimed he didn’t dodge the draft but EVERYBODY knows that was a lie.


  394. JPark says:

    No, they are sending kids to die…just not their kids.


  395. rockyroad says:

    Wow, I really don’t deal well with felons. They creep me out and anxiety attacks. . . . my typing fails . . . . just time to take the dogs for a walk. If you’ve ever suffered a little PTSD, you’ll understand.


  396. sam says:

    “Coulter is a bit on the thin side, but she is still beautiful. ”

    Oh yeh I melt every time I see her Adam’s apple and here crypt-keeper grin.


  397. Jake D. says:

    DLC don’t like Cindy running against establishment candidates.


  398. JPark says:

    Honestly, P, your cameraderie with that f^ck, Jake, lowers my estimation of you by about 100.


  399. sam says:

    “Coulter is beautiful? What? If you are into necrophilia, sure!!!”

    I think it’s also called intercorpse.


  400. JPark says:

    Yeah, Sonny, he only sent them to die for nothing. Der.


  401. JPark says:

    Politics, Sonny? I thought she was a comedienne?


  402. JPark says:

    Are you stupid, Sonny? He had a Buscemi list. That is making libs look foolish? Ignoring everybody that owns you?


  403. JPark says:

  404. sam says:

    “Sam…you just don’t like her politics.”

    Oh thanks. I forgot to mention her polyps-n-ticks.


  405. JPark says:

    Christ, there are too many trolls around for me to rip on TP. That is harsh.


  406. rockyroad says:

    Time to call the FBI on the King.


  407. Sonny's lil weiner says:

    #

    Ann Coulter smells good? You can’t look at that bolemic transexual without thinking Old-Spice and vomit.

    Comment by sam — August 11, 2007 @ 1:38 am
    And she smells like smegma too.


  408. rockyroad says:

    Repeat. Time to call the FBI on the King.


  409. JPark says:

    No, Sonny, you are the one who wants our kids to die for nothing.


  410. old hack says:

    I too call congress and I am always amazed how quickly I get in – which means there are not many of us calling.

    Comment by had enough

    You Have to make them repeat the message back to you. first few times i called and didnt do it then when I did she hadnt written it down. You have to open up with “please take this down” then make sure your message is very elaborate.


  411. rockyroad says:

    TP. Sonny Red is threatening Jpark. Problem? Time to call the FBI. Sonny Red is Sonny Black is Pee is a felon.


  412. JPark says:

    Sonny, why exactly are you and Bush sending kids to die? Is it so they can fight them over there so you can go to the mall?


  413. Sonny Muslim says:

    Now there are 3 “Sonny”s

    But I think one is a libtroll.

    I was thinking the same thing.


  414. JPark says:

    A$$munch, do you think it was old hack that bumped you? Der.


  415. Jake D. says:

    Oh, please. Sonny didn’t threaten JPark. Stop whining!!!


  416. rockyroad says:

    Sorry Jpark,

    Play time’s over.


  417. sam says:

    Seriously now. The GOP is dead and all of you righty goose-stepping lemmings killed it. Congrats and good riddance.


  418. Sonny SideUp says:

    Is my name a play on “Egg”?


  419. JPark says:

    Sonny threatens the American way of life. I think it counts.


  420. Probus says:

    Conservatives are too quick to send everyone else’s kids to war but their own. They avoid combat service as much as they can. The list is long: Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Hastert, Rove, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, Boehner, Armey, Guiliani, Romney, and Chambliss etc. The list of those who have served in combat includes many democrats: Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Rangel, Cleland, Murtha, Skelton, Stolz, Patrick Murphy, Sestak and Rieckhoff.


  421. Sonny SideUp says:

    I’m going to head down to the bar and see if I can find something to “earmarK”.


  422. JPark says:

    Says Sonny, supporter of the Bridge to Nowhere.


  423. JPark says:

    I bet Sonny is one ugly SOB.


  424. Sonny SideUp says:

    My money is on Rangel.


  425. JPark says:

    Sonny, I really don’t think you get the concept of trollery.


  426. JPark says:

    Murtha is actually a bit conservative for me. Thanks.


  427. JPark says:

    You demonize Murtha but he is really one of you.


  428. JPark says:

    LOL, ain’t that the truth. 5 Sonny’s.


  429. Jake D. says:

    Actually, I think Sonny’s doing a bang up job so far — 540 posts and counting . . .


  430. JPark says:

    Congrats, Jake, he is almost coming up on your record for stupid comments. Great.


  431. Sonny Muslim says:

    All 5 of us are handsome, Jpark.

    Comment by Sonny Red — August 11, 2007 @ 2:04 am

    At least 3 of us are.


  432. Jake D. says:

    Every post not about the draft is a good post.


  433. JPark says:

    Don’t respond to me, by the way, Jake. The list, remember?


  434. Egreggious says:

    I have Buscemi-ed all of you.


  435. Jake D. says:

    We get to post #666 and that’s the signal . . .


  436. JPark says:

  437. JPark says:

    It doesn’t work that way, A$$munch.


  438. Egreggious says:

    I’m going to make a comment in 37 seconds. Please don’t post at the same time as me.


  439. Probus says:

    Murtha is actually a bit conservative for me. Thanks.

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 2:03 am

    Yes, Murtha is a conservative democrat. He is pro-life and supports gun owners’ rights. Which is why he makes a great leader against this war. I admire his outspokenness on the Iraq war. He’s been right about everything so far.


  440. Sonny SideUp says:

    Sonny Muslim is a lame handle.


  441. JPark says:

    He is right on the war. That is it.


  442. JPark says:

    …says Dr. Dog, the gimpy little wimp.


  443. Egreggious says:

    Who was the jerk that posted at the time I reserved?


  444. JPark says:

    Yeah, Murtha vs. Hoyer. Great choice. Conservative and Conservativerer. Pelosi has to go. Go Sheehan.


  445. Buck Fush says:

    The repukian troll scum will never support the war by signing up, what are you thinking, that they actually will support it if they personally have any investment, give me a break. They are the scum of the earth, lower than pond scum.


  446. Egreggious says:

    The Democrats in Congress need to be used as kindling for the Republican pyre.


  447. JPark says:

    Eggy, I think it was a Sonny. They posted at exactly the same time as you so obviously yours doesn’t show up :)


  448. Sonny Muslim says:

    Wayne is afraid of a guy who sits by his fax machine all night.

    (PS – My name is the coolest)


  449. JPark says:

    Brass, maybe you just had nothing to say.


  450. Egreggious says:

    Eggy, I think it was a Sonny. They posted at exactly the same time as you so obviously yours doesn’t show up :)

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 2:14 am

    I’m going to kick some Sonny a$$!


  451. JPark says:

    Which one, Eggy? The stupid one or the more stupid one?


  452. Buck Fush says:

    Hey King Shit head….guess I was right then.


  453. Egreggious says:

    Which one, Eggy? The stupid one or the more stupid one?

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 2:18 am

    Yes.


  454. JPark says:

    Dr. Dog, you are so tough. The girls on this blog could take your white, pasty a$$.


  455. JTitor says:

    Who said these words?

    “War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group who knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.”


  456. Egreggious says:

    The girls on this blog could take your white, pasty a$$.

    Comment by JPark — August 11, 2007 @ 2:19 am

    Not if he snuck up behind them with his fax machine.


  457. Egreggious says:

    Who said these words?

    “War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group who knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.”

    Comment by JTitor — August 11, 2007 @ 2:19 am

    One of the Teletubbies?


  458. Buck Fush says:

    Let the five deferments Cheney wanabes start their paper work


  459. JPark says:

  460. Egreggious says:

    TP is fascist now.

    Comment by THE KKKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 11, 2007 @ 2:21 am

    They always were. It’s just getting to be crunch time now.


  461. JPark says:

    Shocking, Sonny, just freaking shocking.


  462. Egreggious says:

    Jtitor is a liberal.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 11, 2007 @ 2:23 am

    Those are fighting words. Get out your fax machine.


  463. Probus says:

    If Bush really cared for the troops he would bring them home. He doesn’t.


  464. Egreggious says:

    Dr. Dog’s a$$ is like a misshapen pear.


  465. JPark says:

  466. Jake D. says:

    Post #666, here we come.


  467. Probus says:

    Petraeus wants to keep troops in Iraq for 9-10 years. Bush doesn’t care about the troops if he did he would bring them home to their families. The mess at Walter Reed happened on his watch.


  468. Egreggious says:

    Dr. Dog’s a$$ can be seen on Tuesday afternoons at the schoolyard.


  469. rockyroad says:

    How the admin can even consider a draft is laughable. The last draft dunk an admininistration and ultimately a war. Yeah, you go Bush go! Explain why your daughters, neices and nephews are not subject to you draft, and explain the body bags.

    You’re the champ.

    Chimpie.


  470. Egreggious says:

    I have a really good idea for a comment. Please, everyone, don’t post for a little bit so I can be sure my comment goes through.


  471. Probus says:

    Bush won’t add the draft. If he did Iraq would become Vietnam. We lost both wars. The surge has failed. Time to bring troops home.


  472. rockyroad says:

    That would be “sunk” not “dunk”.


  473. Egreggious says:

    Dr. Dog got his a$$ caught in the fax machine while corresponding with KKKarl.


  474. JTitor says:

    Hey P’ I mean KKKing, sand-monkey whatever your name is today? I see your being a pain in the ass again. Who the hell is Sonny Black — Some soul brotha from the 70’s?


  475. Egreggious says:

    Great! My comment made it through.


  476. rockyroad says:

    Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam. He seems hell bent on proving it. Is the man self destructive or does he have a box of rocks for a brain?


  477. JTitor says:

    Yah. The “The SURGE IS working!!!!!!!!!!!” up your ass P.


  478. Probus says:

    George W. Bush has finally found his Vietnam in Iraq. A war of choice he lost.


  479. Egreggious says:

    The SURGE IS working!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by THE KKKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 11, 2007 @ 2:32 am

    The Weekly Standard. You rock, Pee.


  480. rockyroad says:

    According to Chris Matthews, he has the most brilliant mind in the neo-con party . . . like a rock.


  481. Egreggious says:

    Is the man self destructive or does he have a box of rocks for a brain?

    Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007 @ 2:33 am

    I hate these either/or questions.


  482. Egreggious says:

    Chris Matthews doesn’t know about Pee.


  483. Probus says:

    If Bush had bothered to serve in Vietnam in combat he would know what it actually means to be a soldier.


  484. JTitor says:

    Who did you quote earlier? – Google it


  485. Egreggious says:

    You kids will have to make it to #666 without me.

    Good night.


  486. Tom3 says:

    Trolls are trying to hijack this site…

    Like Chimpy and the Repukes are trying to hijack our country.

    Screw the trolls. Keep the Internet FREE!!


  487. Probus says:

    Why didn’t Bush or Cheney serve in Vietnam? Scared.


  488. JTitor says:

    Yea no shit Sunny D’


  489. JTitor says:

    So P you gone to any good AiPAC meetings lately?


  490. Sonny Redd says:

    Probus is an idiotic parrot.

    He repeats things over and over because he’s stupid.


  491. Probus says:

    Bush chose to not give the troops a pay raise. Democrats fought for the troops. He sends them to Iraq over and over. He is responsible for the failures at Walter Reed Hospital.


  492. JTitor says:

    Even when Hillary speaks at AiPAC?


  493. Probus says:

    Democrats support the troops they want them out of Iraq’s civil war. Bush wants them to stay.


  494. barfly says:

    I would flee this God-forsaken country if they reinstate the draft. This country isn’t worth it.


  495. Probus says:

    Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 2:46 am

    You can rest easy. Bush will never do it. He will keep sending the same tired, worn out soldiers to fight his war of choice.


  496. JTitor says:

    P you gave it away. damn you! Shit shes W’s real dad.


  497. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    I would flee this Allah-forsaken country if they reinstate the draft.


  498. Anybody says:

  499. barfly says:

    You can rest easy. Bush will never do it. He will keep sending the same tired, worn out soldiers to fight his war of choice.

    Comment by Probus

    Bite it, you know nothing about the tired, worn out soldiers.


  500. Probus says:

    Does Bush have any medals from his service in Vietnam? Nope. He never went. He never served. Coward.


  501. barfly says:

    Bite it, you know nothing about the tired, worn out soldiers.

    Comment by barfly

    Hey Probus, that wasn’t me. There is a name-stealing troll lurking.

    Watch this, okay, fake barfly, what is your stance on Social Security?


  502. Anybody says:

  503. Probus says:

    Hey Probus, that wasn’t me. There is a name-stealing troll lurking.

    Watch this, okay, fake barfly, what is your stance on Social Security?

    Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 2:50 am

    No problem, my friend. Every conservative/republican must serve. If you support the surge go to Iraq.


  504. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    Zooey’s not going to like that.


  505. Probus says:

    Didn’t Cheney get a purple heart for his combat service? Nope. A bronze star? Nope. He got 5 deferments. He never served. Coward.


  506. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    I’m a gay man.

    Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 2:55 am

    No prob.

    Signed,
    Typical Defeatocrat


  507. Probus says:

    Did Rove ever serve in Vietnam? Nope. Spineless, gutless coward.


  508. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    Vietnam was not nearly as much fun as Iraq.


  509. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    Although, sometimes I thought that it was just one dude using 20 names.
    ______________

    I resemble that statement.


  510. sam says:

    The GOP is dead. The Christian Right killed it. Trade an undying support of a war criminal president for a chance to get a couple anti-choice supremes and what do you get? Nothing you hoped for. Suckers. Good riddance.


  511. Probus says:

    Comment by sam — August 11, 2007 @ 2:59 am

    The Iraq war killed the GOP.


  512. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    This is a duplicate post by sam. He posted this same thing an hour ago. Stupid liberal trolls.


  513. JTitor says:

    Comment by Probus — No Rove didn’t serve in the military. He was too busy blowing cows down on the farm.


  514. Probus says:

    Comment by JTitor — August 11, 2007 @ 3:01 am

    lol. The turd blossom.


  515. Tom3 says:

    Go ahead, Chimpy.

    Reinstitute the draft.

    You will have riots all over the country.

    And it will be the end of you, monkey butt.


  516. sam says:

    The Right is finished in the US. Thank you typical GOP supporter.


  517. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    I had gay love with Tom3.

    Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 3:04 am

    No prob.

    Signed,
    Typical Defeatocrat


  518. Probus says:

    Libby is a felon.


  519. Probus says:

  520. TomIII says:

    Anybody who says “Who the f*ck is Libby?…

    …IS a troll. An inbred, redneck Repuke troll.


  521. sam says:

    The purposefully incompetent GOP looked the other way as a housing catastrophe built up over four years like a slow motion train wreck. The wreck could have been averted but BushCo loves train wrecks and chaos. It is just soooo easy to steal amognst chaos. The economy is going to take a huge freaking hit and who do you think will be rightfully blamed. An unneccesary invasion and the worse f’n economy in 70 years. GOP RIP.


  522. JTitor says:

    Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — Like hell you win.


  523. Probus says:

    Bush lied soldiers died.


  524. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    I probe Jtitor nightly.

    Comment by Probus — August 11, 2007 @ 3:10 am

    No prob.

    Signed,
    Typical Defeatocrat


  525. sam says:

    Sonny

    Wasting your time by trying to be disruptive at Think Progress is going to accomplish what.? How deep are you going to dig your grave? Your mother must be soo proud.


  526. sam says:

    By 2008 there won’t be a republican party.


  527. Probus says:

    How long was Bush’s deployment to Vietnam? 0 days. The coward never served.


  528. RalphyFan says:

    Your punctuation-challenged self is showing, Mr. Pee.


  529. Probus says:

    The unpopularity of Iraq’s civil war will make sure no republican wins the White House in 2008.


  530. Probus says:

    This war president never served his country in a war? That makes him a hypocrite.


  531. Troll Hater says:

    By golly! The US will fight this war against its inner demons until it unconditionally surrenders to itself!! You will all see! America never gives up!!1


  532. Perry Logan says:

    Just saying the word “draft” has created 15 million new Democrats.

    Thank you Republicans.

    “Republicans in Congress currently have a lower approval rating than do Congressional Democrats, by a six-point margin.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/destroying-the-gops-cong_b_58382.html


  533. David B says:

    Yeah, bring on the draft, there won’t be a republican left standing. You idiots had it all and you screwed the pooch. The sooner you realize that KKKRove is more of a liability than an assest then you’ll start to make up some ground.


  534. Captain Video says:

    If there is going to be a draft, I hope they start by drafting Romney’s 5 sons.


  535. ronjazz says:

    Romney’s sissys will buy their way out, like the Bush boys did. The Deserter-In-Chief is their model.


  536. Tobey Tall says:

    Anybody need some white feathers I have plenty

    looks like jail for me at least i come out alive


  537. Tobey Tall says:

    NOBODY CAN MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING YOU DONT WANT TO DO


  538. Continuum says:

    Looks like the War Czar has had it with the kool-aid drinkers.

    By mentioning D.R.A.F.T he has earned himself the “You’re doin’ a heck of a job brownie” award from Bush.

    He must really want out of this admin bad.


  539. Tobey Tall says:

    Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country is doing for you……… NOTHING


  540. buckpasser says:

    Not only does the draft make sense, no exceptions, no sons serving america by helping daddy become presiedent, no college deferments, everybody 18-40 years old is on their way to fight to eliminate the threat of terrorism across the globe, we shouldn’t stop at Iraq, Iran, it’s on tho Africa and rid the Al Queda ties there also!

    We should also immediately institute a war tax of 10% for all income over $50,000 per year, no write offs, no exceptions, everybody pays for the right to use oil.


  541. root says:

    Does anyone believe that the children of the rich, especially the Neo-Cons are going to be drafted? Its going to be the very poor and poor (formerly known as the middle class) that are going to feed the Neo-Cons lust for Power, Money and Blood with their dead bodies.


  542. Thomas Mc says:

    Draft the College Republicans first. They campaigned for this damned war, they should have to die in it.


  543. J says:

    Finally, the Nazi party’s return to power is complete, but on the other side of the sea.


  544. Wendy says:

    Draft College Republicans


  545. rockyroad says:

    Wow! 778 posts . . this has got to be a good idea! Thank god I’m an old woman and can’t be drafted (old, but very hot).


  546. rockyroad says:

    College repuboicans” Although that sounds like a go start, why not start with the children of elected officials. You want this war ro end soon? Draft their children.

    Why wouldn’t they want to serve? That would be religious reasons (Mitt Romeny), we’re just too dam busy going to college (Cheney, Rove et at), Dad’s running for president, dubya and Mitt’s kids. Hell, call me a Jehovah’s Wiitness. This is a friggin” disadster and I ain’t goin”.

    Now, I’m a poor black man in Newark . . . you gonna give me $20,000 to sign up? Don’t care that I’m a Crip and have a couple of felony charges against me? Cool. Where do I sign?

    Thanks dubya. I want my daughter serving right next to this Crrip.

    PS Where the heck are the twins?


  547. rockyroad says:

    Change of topic . . . just because the topic just arose.

    Just yesterday, qestions were raised, on this website: Who is Karl Rove? What are his financial interests? What are his family’s financial interests? What are their criminal records? What are their holdings and liabilities?

    24 Hours later, he announces his resignation.

    ROVE RESIGNS>

    Coincidence? Possibly. One way or another good news. But anyone with the time and the resources . . . .investigate. You’ve got Westlaw, look up leans and creditors, look up criminal convictions and anything else your creative mind can imagine. For him, his wife, his kids, parents, siblings, yardman. He would do no less for you.

    Maybe he’s clean as a toothpick. No harm checking. Something stinks here.



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