Rev. Billy Graham on Iraq:
By on Aug 11th, 2007 at 10:00 am
Rev. Billy Graham on Iraq:
“I’m getting a little depressed about Iraq… Think of what it is doing to Bush. There doesn’t seem to be any way out.”
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Bush deserves everything coming to him
what does he expect 1 million dead for an arsehole
August 11th, 2007 at 10:03 amkill 1 your a murderer
kill 7 your a mass murderer
kill 1 million your a hero to 23% in America
August 11th, 2007 at 10:04 amLOL!!! This is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
Graham is just a senile old con artist that should have been put out to pasture years ago.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:06 amSadly, it’s not doing anything to Bush. He simply doesn’t care.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:08 amIt doesn’t bother Bush one bit Rev. Graham. He’s always joking, boating, bullying, talking about how it doesn’t affect him to the rightwing media.
-GSD
August 11th, 2007 at 10:11 amA little depressed……think how the families of the dead feel. But George W. Bush isn’t depressed, he’s energized, focused and sleeping like a baby. He’s just too damned tough to care about all the lives he destroyed and damaged. You have to have feelings to be depressed. You have to have a brain to think you should feel depressed. Bush only has an ego.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:13 amWell, that shows you what a good Christian the Reverend Graham is. He’s worried about how it is affecting Bush. Why doesn’t he worry about how it is affecting the families of the dead and wounded? Why doesn’t he worry about the citizens of the United States who have been terrorized by Bush and his vanity war for 5 years.
Yeah, the Reverend Graham has his priorities straight.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amNo mention of the Millions of Iraqi’s dead or exiled, just a poor little bush who happens to be responsible for it all? Not to mention the Thousands of Americans dead and wounded?
Bush is not suffering, he said he isn’t. It isn’t doing anything to him personally. He is incapable of feeling a shred of empathy. He is grinningly bushcentric.
For one who touts christianity as Billy does…that is a “curious” remark. I couldn’t think of a word to use other than curious..maybe unchristian? maybe ignorant? maybe sad? It depresses me.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:15 amIf Billy Graham spoke loudly against this war in Iraq, don’t be surprised to see some right wingers start calling him leftist, commie and supporter of the so called Islamofascist( A new invented term used only in USA and Israel).
August 11th, 2007 at 10:16 amI would imagine this is the first time Billy Graham has appeared on this thing. Hey! How about those ratings for that Olbermann lead debate? Worst ever…LOL
August 11th, 2007 at 10:19 am11. Frank,
What Olbermann ratings has to do with this story..?!
August 11th, 2007 at 10:23 am152,669 veterans filed disability claims after fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Of the more than 100,000 claims granted, Veterans Administration records show at least 1,502 veterans have been compensated as 100 percent disabled.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:24 amBilly Graham has more sympathy for the fact that Bush is suffering criticism than for the innocents we’ve killed in Iraq and the Americans who Bush has ordered to kill them.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:25 amAs many as 1 of every 10 soldiers from the war on terror evacuated to the Army’s biggest hospital in Europe was sent there for mental problems.
Between 8 and 10 percent of nearly 12,000 soldiers from the war on terror, mostly from Iraq, treated at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany had “psychiatric or behavioral health issues,” according to the commander of the hospital, Col. Rhonda Cornum.
That means about 1,000 soldiers were evacuated for mental problems.
The hospital has treated 11,754 soldiers from the war on terror, with 9,651 from Iraq and the rest from Afghanistan, according to data released by the hospital.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:25 amThat would be your let’s deflect the discussion to something else.
OT. Graham should realize that Bush doesn’t seem to care to much. Criticizem seems to bounce off of Bush like water off a duck. I don’t think he cares. Bush comes across as almost sociopathic at times.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:25 amWe really don’t care what it’s doing to Bush!!!
We really, really, really care what it’s doing to us, to the people of Iraq, to the rest of the world, to our children and grandchildren.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:30 am#17 Mr. Big,
But the topic of discussion is not about Olbermann, it is about Billy Graham…!!
August 11th, 2007 at 10:32 amMr. Big is a fictional character created to move the discussion away from the topic. In the mean time, his author seeks to belittle the issues discussed during the AFL-CIO debate by unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims about television ratings.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:36 am“Mr. Big is a fictional character created to move the discussion away from the topic. In the mean time, his author seeks to belittle the issues discussed during the AFL-CIO debate by unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims about television ratings.
Comment by Peter C — August 11, 2007″
Thanks Peter. It is just like the runs against the deathstar in Star Wars.
“Stay on target…..stay on target…..stay on target”……
-GSD
August 11th, 2007 at 10:40 amBush has a way out, pass it on to the next pres and blame him for it.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:54 amPlus Bush doesn’t care who dies, as long as him and his buddies profit from it.
“Stay on target…..stay on target…..stay on targetâ€â€¦â€¦
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 11, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Good luck, Peter C. It’s pretty easy to see thru someone like Frank J or Mr Big and stop them from gumming up a thread. The problem is the regular posters who think its cool to call someone a “Chimpy l*g-humper” or a “Nazi b*ll-licker”. Bunch of tough guys, huh?
Of late, TP has all the ambiance of a heavily used public restroom that hasn’t been cleaned in months.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:56 amGSD @ 21,
That voice from Star Wars has stuck with me for some reason too.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:57 amROS @ 23,
I think this site has a time-out feature on this comments section. Big posts often don’t get through. That contributes to the “public restroom” quality which you so aptly identify. While pithy one-liners make a quick point, the don’t add as much to the overall discussion.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:01 amMr. Big’s author is trying another diversionary tactic. Don’t engage.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:03 amI wonder which “Bu$h” Billy was referring to . . . Bu$h 41 who is depressed that he sired a bunch of complete idiots with a b*tch who looks like Winston Churchill with hair or GDumbya.
He certainly shouldn’t be worried about GDumbya because he’s an active alcoholic who doesn’t have a care in the world.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:10 amThis is typical of devoutly religious people – the BELIEVE whatever they wish to believe. If Billy Graham was objective he would be on the side of the majority of Americans who hate Bush, realize that Bush is an illegitimate president complements of injustice Scalia and know that Bush has squandered the health, wealth and security of our nation.
George W. Bush – the anti American.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:12 amBush and Graham… both losers….
August 11th, 2007 at 11:15 amAt lease Rev. Graham let us know who he’ s praying for. Maybe God will help protect the soldiers and the Iraqi people. Interesting to know that a Preacher who claims to be for the people is really just praying for his friends. All those years people followed Rev. Graham thinking he was praying for all the people only to find out it was just his friends. I noticed he did collect money from all those people he wasn’t praying for. Makes you wonder is there really a Minister who is really speaking the word of God or are they all fakes.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amI know. Poor Chimpy. Each day I worry how this Occupation wears on him. Oh, poor Chimpy.
(sarcasm off, now)
August 11th, 2007 at 11:20 amReligious people pray for their friends, Jackie. Get over it. Get over your hate of Christians.
Comment by Trophy Hunter
Yes, and they pray for their enemies, and are supposed to turn the other cheek. Religious people, (Bush), don’t torture people. Call me old fashioned but thats frowned upon.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:22 amI think Taegan Goddard and Political Wire, or Gibbs and Duffy may be more at fault here than Billy Graham. This link provides very little context to what Graham actually said. These snippets are not very helpful at moving the discussion forward.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:23 amBush is the biggest moron in the planet, voted by morons
August 11th, 2007 at 11:28 amIf Clinton endorsed torture, it was hardly on the same scale or did try to absolve himself of all future prosecutions for such crimes, as did bush. That said, two wrong never make a right and torture, dumb ass, does nothing to stop al qeade. Stop watching 24. Go ahead and attack me personally, doesn’t matter, but you have to live with the fact there is nothing Christian about this president.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:35 amGraham feels sorry for Bush? Maybe he really does have Alzheimer’s Disease — he seems to have forgotten about all the dead troops and Iraqi civilians.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:37 amit’s almost impressive…
the balancing act being performed here with 3 or 4 laptops…
a real trooll tag-team fest…
August 11th, 2007 at 11:37 am…
So torture is Christian? No, no matter who does it. Torture will not help us fight al qeade. Besides what ever torture Clinton may have o.ked, he never tried to institutionalise it, brag about it, or try to cover his ass by giving himself immunity.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:37 amRuss, you’re clearly wrong.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:39 amGod is a warmonger. Obviously.
And Jesus loooooves him some torture.
“Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me” wasn’t a complete quote. It actually ended “except for a-rabs”
I though my first post was lost, hence the second one. Not surprised the trolls attack me personally, being they can’t logically or ethically.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:40 am“In Jesus’s name, I waterboard thee!”
August 11th, 2007 at 11:41 amWilco,
I hope you’re being sarcastic.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:41 amI’m not Christian bashing, I’m actually offended by the fakes.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:41 amWhen Clinton tortured people, Russ was ok with it, right?
Comment by Mr. Big — August 11, 2007 @ 11:41 am
I answered that. Listen for once before you run off.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:43 am33/79 posts thus far are comments from trolls.
Any wonder why so many quality commentors have left this site?
August 11th, 2007 at 11:45 amI am so tired of getting lectures about morals by members of the party of Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley, David Vitter and Dick Cheney.
Lecture, lecture, lecture, finger-wag, finger-wag, finger-wag.
-GSD
August 11th, 2007 at 11:47 amItchy, you’re an idiot
August 11th, 2007 at 11:48 amI have no problem with Christianity
I do have one with people who claim to follow the teachings of Christ then defend their actions which are completely counter to those same teachings.
It’s hypocrisy.
Would Jesus torture someone?
How is someone still “Christlike” after doing that?
“And the next president is going to be a Republican.”
Comment by Good Looking Jack
You should see a doctor; you’re delusional.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:50 amThe trolls on ThinkProgress are particularly stupid.
I had heard this was an excellent progressive blog. Maybe it used to be so.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:50 amItchy, you’re 12, aren’t you?
August 11th, 2007 at 11:51 amYou offer no substance. None at all. Are you really this worthless?
Why isn’t the moderator doing his or her job? Is there a moderator?
This is insanity. Mostof these comments aren’t even on topic, just personal attacks.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:52 amRose, it used to be.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:53 amTrolls whose mothers should be ashamed of have all but taken over.
GOP-er are obsessed with poles. Male poles.
-GSD
August 11th, 2007 at 11:58 amToo bad the trolls are so scared of enlisting; their tough talk would sure intimidate those terrorists.
*snerk!*
August 11th, 2007 at 11:59 amTrolls = liberals, barfly.
Comment by Mr. Big —
Not here. Here, it is you who are the troll.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:01 pmTau @ 103
Thank you, Tau.
I would think TP would stick to their own Terms of Use, otherwise why have them?
I’ve seen where the liberal and progressive blogs are being attacked in the media. If I were TP, I wouldn’t want these threads to be taken over with such sickness. It doesn’t represent them well.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:02 pmPoor Billy Graham. All his life’s work, gone, and for what? To give comfort to a delusional kook like Bush, after he’s killed thousands with his bogus war. God’s got a hot seat planned for the “Rev.” Graham.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pmTrolls don’t enlist because 6th graders can’t sign up.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by Rose Tyler
I don’t come to this site a lot, but this thread is not typical, it is the worse I’ve seen on TP. There are a great many well informed, good natured people here as a rule.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMost of the quality commentors have left because of TP’s filter fairy.
Comment by Ugly Looking Joke — August 11, 2007 @ 11:49 am
That too.
But this site has the traffic the site owners want.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:07 pmThat’s why you are here and the grown ups are in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Comment by Mr. Big
And that’s also why you’re here. Is your last name Romney?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:08 pmSpeaking of political preachers…
Mitt Romney may have bought today’s Iowa Republican Straw Poll, but history mercifully shows that the winner rarely ends up in the White House.
For the details, see:
August 11th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“Flashback: Pat Robertson Wins 1987 Iowa Straw Poll.”
Limbaugh’s demographic
[…]
A neighbor said, “Every day he’s out there. He never goes into the house. He sleeps out there, he eats out there, he watches TV, he plays guitar…. Everything that you do in your house, he does out there.â€
Graham acknowledges that he spends most of his time in his car, but says there’s a reason.
An extension cord runs from the house to the car, providing power for a 13-inch TV that rests in the passenger seat, an oscillating fan and a radio.
“I get better reception there than I do in there,†he said, pointing at the house. “I listen to Rush (Limbaugh) every day just about.â€
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
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does rush broadcast on saturdays? not even a re-broadcast?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:08 pm…
barfly is attacking Christianity again. Bigot.
Comment by Itchy Fingers
No, I think all religions are batty. Including yours.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:09 pmBilly Graham has, over the years, shown himself to be a man with less-than-christian values in certain circumstances. He has, however, made quite a name for himself with his homilies, and his feel-good revival meetings, so much so that all presidents have gone to him for “spiritual advice.”
August 11th, 2007 at 12:09 pmTo give the devil his due, the man may be a decent person, but he is as flawed as the rest of us and it makes me angry and sad to see people bow before him as if he were the incarnation of god on earth.
Now he feels compassion for Bush – and I have to ask why? Bush has created misery, heartbreak, and sorrow for thousands upon thousands of Americans, not to mention people around the world (but Graham only feels compassion for christians).
Bush has “made his bed,” but apparently, he isn’t losing any sleep over his crimes and greed and mercilessness. He is not suffering, so why should anyone feel compassion for him?
In fact, even if he were suffering, he would be deserving.
Billy Graham is an old coot – a modern day Elmer Gantry – just like all the rest of the bible-thumping, self-righteous, vulchers who prey on human guilt for thoughts and deeds deemed as biblical “sins.”
He would have the rest of us feel sympathy for Bush, while Bush continues blithely on his way, unconcerned, remorseless, and defiant.
Go away.
Tau @ 123
They have been attacking them since before 2006 and still lost that year. Yet the dittoheads have no new game blame. Just the same elementary personal attacks and inane projectionism.
Comment by Tau
I’ve noticed. I wonder why they bother? It doesn’t seem their actually interested in the content on TP.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIs your’s?
Comment by Mr. Big
Oh! Now there’s a witty riposte, Mr. P.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:10 pmRuss @ 125
I don’t come to this site a lot, but this thread is not typical, it is the worse I’ve seen on TP. There are a great many well informed, good natured people here as a rule.
Comment by Russ — August 11, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
I wish they’d show up soon! I probably won’t come here as often as I thouht I might.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“He can listen on the internet any time he wants, troll.”
Uh, no. The cable doesn’t reach to the backseat…
August 11th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBigot.
Comment by Itchy Fingers
Atheist.
There’s a difference, but I trust you not to see it.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI think all religions are batty.
Anybody whobelieves in supernatural beings needs to get a better grip on reality; anybody who delegates decision-making to religious leaders needs to learn to think for themselves.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pm…
Uh, no. The cable doesn’t reach to the backseat…
Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
funny…
i was hoping to hear something like,
August 11th, 2007 at 12:15 pm“time for rush… gotta go…bye…”
no such luck…
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I used to respect Billy Graham, but his brand of “Christianity” is just a little to apocalyptic for me. At his last revival in NYC, he talked about how “the end is near”, putting him right up there with the other nutcases of the loony Religious Right. Of course Graham is concerned about George Bush, although there is scant evidence that the war has had the slightest impact on him. (Laura says it hurts them the most, poor thing.) As far as I am concerned, they are all delusional people.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmI agree with former president Bush. Athiests are not patriotic.
Guess what, dimbulb: screeching it doesn’t make it true.
Former President Bush is an ass.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:18 pmAthiests are not patriotic.
Comment by Itchy Fingers
And yet they serve. Odd, eh?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThis post should offend 85% of the population. Way to go, troll.
And I should care about that because…?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:19 pmItchy Fingers @ 150
That’s funny, because I was listening to Air America just yesterday.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThis post should offend 85% of the population. Way to go, troll.
Comment by Mr. Big
Would that include the snake handlers, polygamists, and babblers-in-tongues?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“This post should offend 85% of the population. Way to go, troll.”
Or would it be the ones who use religion as a tax-exempt scam? I know a few of those.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“Uh, no. The cable doesn’t reach to the backseat…”
Comment by barfly
“Wireless internet.”
Comment by Itchy Fingers
Tinfoil chappeau…
August 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pmStill wondering why it took four months for the dem controlled houses to fix the glaring gap in the FISA program which made it almost impossible to monitor terrorist conversations.
Demorats are bad for America.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pmChristopher Hitchens was dead wrong about invading Iraq, but he is right about religion: it’s primary function is to extract money from the believers for the benefit of the high priests. Its secondary function is social control, via the intrument of fear. Consoling the masses is tertiary, at best.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pmI truly doubt if 85% of Americans believe in any mythology, much less the silly one with virgin births and re-incarnation. Both of those cute fables, by the way were lifted from previous pagan religions.
There are 20% who believe the universe was created 6k years ago, and god created man just as he is. Funny, that 20% number, same number of fools who still lick Boy George’s sphincter.
One and the same group.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:28 pmDemorats are bad for America.
Comment by Utah Chip —
Are you forgetting that Republicans had control of both houses for years? The dems arn’t perfect but they can’t be saddled with that.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by Utah Chip, founding member of the Strawmen, a popular country/western/jingo singing group.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:30 pmComment by Utah Chip — August 11, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
FISA is broken and the George W. Bush broke it. Because Bush and his cronies pushed the exisiting law too far, they ended up losing a court case and severely damaged our ability to obtain intelligence. This was the result of sloppiness and a total disregard for the rule of law on the part of the Republicans.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#162
August 11th, 2007 at 12:39 pmI have never been a fan of Hitchens either, but he asks a good question about religion: ( I paraphrase)
Name something good that has been done by a believer in religion that cannot be done, or has not been done by a non-believer.
Now think of all the harm that has been done in the name of religion that would be condemned by all if it were not for religion.
That’s funny, because I was listening to Air America just yesterday.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 11, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
and i’m listening to it now…
it just occurred to me… i haven’t heard rush’s LIES in his own lying voice for some time, since franken isn’t there to play those clips…
and, gawd, i sure miss sam’s daily show…
but from 11am on, it’s AirAmericaRadio, non stop…
August 11th, 2007 at 12:40 pmkicking RATwing neoCON lying ash…
.
Marie and Arthur C
I agree completely. I don’t agree with Hitchens often, but his views on religion are on target. I’m wondering if the trolls on this site consider themselves to be religious?
August 11th, 2007 at 12:42 pmKaty @ 168
I don’t get to listen to it often, so it’s a real treat when I do. I don’t know the hosts very well, but I really enjoyed the Tom Hartman show. Randy Rhodes was very good, but she talks over her guests and callers. I find that frustrating.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:45 pmThe attack on September 11 was a Faith Based Initiative.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:49 pmNow think of all the harm that has been done in the name of religion that would be condemned by all if it were not for religion.
I’m not sure about this. One must separate those who hijack a religion, like bin laden, and use it for nefarious reasons. Most things done with religion as its cover had political things in mind. The men who went to war in 1940, did so, because they were mostly Christian and did so for a god cause.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:50 pmThe Dems have gotten themselves in a quagmire. The less they do, the lower their approval goes. They are down to 3% on Iraq now.
Comment by Itchy Fingers
Didn’t one of you hypocrites just accuse Democrats of being obsessed with Polls?
The Dems and the Republicans both voted for and gave Bush the power to use military force as seen in the UN/US resolution. Hello.
Comment by Ugly Looking Jack — August 11, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
lies. typical factless wingnut moron liar.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:53 pmThink of what it is doing to Bush.
What about the countless Iraqis who are losing life and limb? Or the plight of millions of Iraqis who are now without a home?
Should we feel sorry for the perpetrator, and not for the victims?
What an idiot Graham is…. sshheeshh….
August 11th, 2007 at 12:59 pmConsoling the masses is tertiary, at best.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 11, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
The real problem here is that posters won’t stop directing comments to the trolls directly. You are quite correct when you point that out. I’ve managed to take control of a thread by from trolls all by myself but when just one poster shows up and starts telling the trolls to go “F” themselves (such tough guys!) it just opens the door all over again.
The endless profanity accomplishes NOTHING. The trolls win every time. It’s not about civility. It’s about stopping trolls from taking over.
They WANT TP posters to insult them. Read that again.
They WANT TP posters to insult them. It’s how they take over the conversations here. You can come here and find ONE troll getting a dozen posters to do EXACTLY what that troll wants – insult after insult.
Too many of the reg posters are far too easy to manipulate. Once you realize a troll’s comment is meaningless, DON’T try to rebutt it. You cannot successfully rebutt an irrational statement.
The trolls aren’t interested in the truth or honest debate – not one red cent’s worth. You will never “beat” a troll in a debate or by insulting them. The yget waht they want every time you try. Even the smarter posters fall for it.
If you DO NOT address the troll directly, it cannot muscle its way into the convesration. If you start trading insults or debating an irrational position, you lose.
This site is rapidly becoming a joke and it’s not the trolls doing it. The trolls only win when you let them. The trolls aren’t stealing your lunch money, folks. You’re giving it to them.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:01 pmEvery time you insult the troll directly, the troll wins. You guys are just too F-ing dumb for your own good.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pmOne last thought, and then, like so many other posters, I’m gone!
The trolls are right – you guys are Surrender Monkeys.
But it just feels so good to call someone a “Chimpy l*g-humper” or a “Nazi b*ll-licker” doesn’t it?
This is what free speech is about? A level of meaningless obscenity that would make a sailor blush? Perhaps the 1st Amendment is a joke. You don’t need Bush to treat it like toilet paper. Ya’ll doin’ a fine job on your
own. Wipe away!!! Bad money always drives out good.
You guys WANT TO LOSE!
August 11th, 2007 at 1:14 pmNone of the Republicans I meet are even remotely as insane as these wingnut screechers here at TP. The Republicans I meet despise George Bush for lying to them and ruining this country for his delusions of grandeur.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:21 pmOne last thought, and then, like so many other posters, I’m gone!
The trolls are right – you guys are Surrender Monkeys.
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Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 11, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
WHO’s a “surrender monkey”???
hell, i was real proud of you when i read the previous comment,
then you went and blew it with THIS one…
listen at YOU, giving a lecture about trooll feeding…
…
there has to be PUSH BACK and clearing up the LIES…
August 11th, 2007 at 1:22 pmso not EVERY trooll post can be ignored, exactly…
but most can be stepped around, taken for the piles of crap they are…
…
oh! i meant to add:
i’m confident that all who are complaing are contacting TP
August 11th, 2007 at 1:23 pmusing the links above/right…
right?
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Yeah, poor bush, look what the war is doing to him.
Those damn troops in iraq are not getting the job done; why can’t they sacrifice more and work harder for their sovereign? Damn traitors.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:26 pmVery sorry I engaged your trolls.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:29 pmKaty is right. A big function of Blogs is to Correct erroneous comments and information. A lot of the so called “troll comments” are not that different from the thinking of average Americans who don’t follow the news closely, and are bombarded by right wing propaganda.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:30 pmAs a person who reads comments, I appreciate the well considered thoughts and information provided by posters …to dispute troll propaganda.
Please, barfly, keep posting anti-religious screeds.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:31 pmKaty and Badger,
Very well put.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:33 pmHehehehe. Yeah, poor Bush, sitting like a lifeless dumb doll licking his lips whereas planes were crashing in NY. Poor little boy.
August 11th, 2007 at 1:51 pmNone of the Republicans I meet are even remotely as insane as these wingnut screechers here at TP. The Republicans I meet despise George Bush for lying to them and ruining this country for his delusions of grandeur.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 11, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
So true. I have many conservative friends and universally they do not support Bush. Their feelings range from embarassment to outright hostility. Those who post here under the mantle of conservatism rarely are. Instead we are dealing with individuals desperate for attention. My experience her has shown that most of the regular posters are happy to hold respectful discussions with individuals whose opinions differ from their own. Problem is the idiots have gotten so out of control. It will pass
August 11th, 2007 at 1:56 pmRepublicans Can’t be happy about Bush dragging their once dominant party to an 18% deficit in generic Democrat vs. Republican polls….worst since watergate. Bush: the Un Reagan
August 11th, 2007 at 2:02 pm“Thin of what it is doing to Bush”
Who gives a $hit – what about the troops and thrie familes, and the Iraq people, and the stat of the world. I hope Bush has a miserable life.
August 11th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“Please, barfly, keep posting anti-religious screeds.”
Comment by Jake D. —
And the “list” has another gaping hole in it…
I thought you never responded to those on your petty little list?
For the record, religion has been a mixed bag for it’s followers, but the hypocrisy of today’s current crop of supposedly righteous people would make Christ puke His guts out.
August 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAnd the “list†has another gaping hole in it…
Comment by barfly
NIce job.
August 11th, 2007 at 2:37 pm“Think about what it’s doing to Bush.”
Screw that guy.
August 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pmGraham was worried about what the Iraq War was doing to Chimpy? Talk about perverted priorities.
What about the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in the Middle East, particularly by those who had no choice in this matter? Did they not deserve mention?
Death and destruction are not a burden for Chimpy, but rather a source of entertainment and sustenance, like that of blood to a vampire. If you doubt this, check out his record as the Executor in Chief during his reign in Texas and his comments just prior to the execution of Carla Faye Tucker.
The only potential defense for Graham’s statements is the possibility that age may have severely compromised his mental faculties.
August 11th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“1 million dead for an arsehole
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 11, 2007″
And just where did you get that figure? Michael Moore?
August 11th, 2007 at 4:02 pm“Bush has no conscience
Comment by Nancy Morgan — August 11, 2007″
And you know this how?
August 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe only potential defense for Graham’s statements is the possibility that age may have severely compromised his mental faculties.
Comment by curmudgeon
Either that or the statement was created by the rover and inserted into his hearing aid as he was being interviewed. After all, if you can illegaly wiretap, you can surely insert whatever “reality” you want anywhere you want in the Police State of America.
August 11th, 2007 at 4:50 pmBush doesn’t care for the troops. If he did he wouldn’t have sent them to Iraq a war of choice.
August 11th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#205 Bush doesn’t care for the troops. If he did he wouldn’t have sent them to Iraq a war of choice.
Comment by Probus — August 11, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
That was clear a long time ago, like when he went AWOL on his ANG unit during Vietnam, or when he extended their tours and has stop-lossed over 50% of some units’ personnel. And don’t forget his great concern for the care at Walter Reed, or wanting to cut educational funds for returning vets.
Whatta guy! Bet the Repugs get 90% of teh military votes in 08.
August 11th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI respectfully suggest that Think Progress change the format of comments. If the number of the comment is followed immediately by the name of the commenter, it will be much easier to skip entirely comments by the trolls of several different kinds who do in fact turn the comments sections into stinking, graffiti-besmirched public conveniences.
August 11th, 2007 at 5:39 pmRev. “Think how this is affecting Bush.”
Akk. Think how this is affecting thousands of Iraqis. They’ve lost their families, homes, secutiry . . . Think how this is affecting 3,000 dead soldiers’ families, moms, dads, parents, kids, friends. Think about handicapped, mentally traumatized patriots who sacrificed themselves for Chimpee’s misbegotten ego trip in Iraq. Think about the loss of American standing due to torture.
Good God Billy. How many people does this man have to kill before you see that he is evil.
August 11th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“the trolls of several different kinds who do in fact turn the comments sections into stinking, graffiti-besmirched public conveniences.
Comment by lynn Lightfoot — August 11, 2007″
Do you have anyone specific in mind?
August 11th, 2007 at 5:45 pm“Think about the loss of American standing due to torture.
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007″
What torture?
August 11th, 2007 at 5:46 pm“if you donj’t feed them
Comment by upside00 — August 11, 2007″
Does that mean you are going to stop posting here?
August 11th, 2007 at 5:56 pmComment by lynn Lightfoot
And it is easy to have a discussion if you just step around the troll fecal piles.
August 11th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“Last January, Illinois Governor George Ryan, a Republican, announced a moratorium on executions in the state. Since the death penalty was reinstated in Illinois in 1977, 13 condemned inmates have been taken off death row after they were exonerated by DNA evidence proving their innocence or the cases against them collapsed after new trials were ordered by appellate courts. Governor Ryan described the death penalty system in Illinois as “fraught with errors†and “broken,†and there is mounting evidence that the situation is similar in other states and at the federal level.”
August 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“And it is easy to have a discussion if you just step around the troll fecal piles.
Comment by upside00 — August 11, 2007″
Another lame liberal excuse to not back up their rhetoric?
August 11th, 2007 at 6:17 pmLet me think. Who was a justice on the Texas Supreme Court, overseeing death penalty cases during the Chimpee governorship of Texas? Why, that would be Gonzo!
August 11th, 2007 at 6:20 pmWhat is patriotism? (a rhetorical question)
Is patriotism waving a flag and killing the “other”?
Is patriotism support for fellow citizens, ideals, constitution and bill of rights?
Should people be patriotic to whatever country they live in…just because they were born there and live there ? Even if it is a fascist state or dictatorship?
Remember that patriotism, fear and hate were the tools used for facsist takeover in Germany by Hitler etc.
The problem of course is that patriotism is too often just an emotion and we forget to think about facts when in patriotic runamok.
People in power use our emotions (hate, fear, patriotism) to get what they want….like oil rights in Iraq and Iran. Their corporate media tells us ORANGE ALERT, You ARE UNDER ATTACK and stirs us to to an unthinking patriotic state. They use our emotional patriotism…they lie to us, and get us to kill and be killed. They use rousing music in the background and medals and manly comraderie to make it all fine.
We are not at war with any country. The “war” is an international corporate war for oil and we are being used along with the Iraqi people and the rest of this poor earth. There is nothing patriotic about destroying Iraq and our children for OIL.
August 11th, 2007 at 6:28 pm“The “war†is an international corporate war for oil
Comment by Evergreen — August 11, 2007″
That’s one of the stupidist comments you liberals have come up with in a long time! Congratulations, green? If it’s all about corporate control of oil, why didn’t we take over kuwait’s oil fields when we liberated them? If it’s all about corporate control of oil, why didn’t we take over Iraq’s oil fields during the first Iraqi invasion? It is about oil, the free flow of it to the rest of the world.
August 11th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“How many people does this man have to kill before you see that he is evil.”
Must be a lot more. The guy’s made killing people his life’s work.
August 11th, 2007 at 6:45 pmMichael,
You are truly a tool.
We didn’t need to take over those oil interests. We already own them. Why the heck do you think we went to war?
August 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pm“The “war†is an international corporate war for oil
Comment by Evergreen — August 11, 2007″
Exactly, Halliburton has received more defense contracts than any other firm. Cheney collects 1 million dollars in pension from them annually. This war has benefited him financially.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:27 pm“Cheney collects 1 million dollars in pension from them annually. This war has benefited him financially.
Comment by Probus — August 11, 2007″
And just how do you know this?
August 11th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“We already own them. Why the heck do you think we went to war?
Comment by Oily — August 11, 2007″
We do? Who owns them?
August 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pmGraham should do the right thing and tell Bush to bring our kids home from Iraq. Bush should be forced to attend the funeral of every dead soldier.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:35 pm“what does he expect 1 million dead
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 11, 2007″
Hey tobey, I’m still waiting for you to explain to all of us where you got your number? Can one of you liberals help tobey?
August 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pmGraham should tell Bush his war is lost. Bring the troops home to their families.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:37 pm“Graham should tell Bush his war is lost. Bring the troops home to their families.
Comment by Probus — August 11, 2007″
Really? We lost?
August 11th, 2007 at 7:43 pmBP, Sinopec, CNOOC, ELF, Exxon-Mobile, some Italian oil company I cant remember the name of, Texaco and Russia. All of theses companies trade on American exchanges. Jack Grynberg may be a loon, but he’s got the right targets in his sights.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:48 pm“Graham should tell Bush his war is lost. Bring the troops home to their families.”
Comment by Probus
Who’s to say he doesn’t still buy into that End Times scenario, and that’s why he’s loath to criticize his most famous convert? If Bush fails, it will reflect badly on Bush’s – and, by extension, Graham’s – religiously infallibile worldview. Will Grahan confess to the sin of pridefulness, for his (in)action in stopping the war? I ain’t holding my breath in anticipation.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:48 pm#230 Michael. Rocket scientist. Forgive the typos. This posting is aimed at you. May take a little research to sort it out, but I figure, you got time on your hands.
August 11th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThe moral thing would be to bring the troops home and unite them with their families. Graham won’t do that.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:00 pmComment by rockyroad
We were having a most enjoyable round of “Let’s Ignore Michael,” until you went and spoiled it.
Tag… You’re It :)
August 11th, 2007 at 8:03 pm“This posting is aimed at you. May take a little research to sort it out, but I figure, you got time on your hands.
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007″
You mean post 229? Those companies may buy from them but Iraq owns the oil fields.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pmMichael,
I’m just a tad “oily”. Speak to me in a language you know.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:33 pm“The moral thing would be to bring the troops home and unite them with their families.
Comment by Probus — August 11, 2007″
The moral thing for whom? You white flag waving cowards?
August 11th, 2007 at 8:33 pm“Speak to me in a language you know.
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007″
I am! It’s known as common sense something you loons on the left have very little of.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:37 pmI know that I’m supposed to ignore Michael, but he’s just such an easy target.
Laargest oil field discovered in the past centruy . . . Kazakhstan. Recall Borat.
I really don’t want to get ugly here. Russia has great oil reserves. Due to global warming, Artic reserves now appear to be worthy of exploration. Iran, not so much, particularly due to political instability. Saudi Arabia, depletion allowance, 10+ years. Norway, same.
Forget this war. Redeploy the military industrial complex to re-invent America’s energy resources. Lots of money there. Lots of jobs. All good.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:41 pm“Redeploy the military industrial complex to re-invent America’s energy resources. Lots of money there. Lots of jobs. All good.
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007″
That’s not what our military is trained to do. Global warming? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
August 11th, 2007 at 8:44 pm“I know that I’m supposed to ignore Michael, but he’s just such an easy target.
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007″
I am? Take your best shot? You haven’t been very effective thus far.
August 11th, 2007 at 8:46 pmBilly Graham,
Wonder how many of our troopes will die today?
Just praying because, “how does Bush feel?” Must suck.
Thank goodness, you are advising our leaders.
August 11th, 2007 at 9:14 pmMIchael, you appear to have lots of fime on your hands and ard honkered by the cause. . . . no need for a draft, with our hands in Michael, we’re bound to win.
Signing off.
August 11th, 2007 at 9:17 pmTypos gone horrific. Sorry.
August 11th, 2007 at 9:18 pmRedeploy the military industrial complex to re-invent America’s energy resources.[...]
Comment by rockyroad — August 11, 2007
That’s not what our military is trained to do. waaaaa!
too funny…
August 11th, 2007 at 9:46 pmor it would be, if it weren’t so sad… and deadly…
…
Katy,
I like your posts and am a bit dissapointed that you dismiss mine. To re-deploy the military industrial complex would not only be re re-invent the manner in which we use and produce energy, it would reconsider our infrastrusture. How are our bridges built and maintained, how are our electrical lines and steam pipes build and maintained? What threats to our cables that carry internet traffic managed?
These are critical questions.
We may be fighting a “war” in Iraq, but when the problem comes home . . . who’s watching the levees?
August 11th, 2007 at 10:03 pm•
Froomkin: Dick Cheney’s Secret Plan To Invade Iran
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/11/froomkin-dick-cheneys-secret-plan-to-invade-iran/
August 11th, 2007 at 10:04 pm.
no no no! rockyroad!
i did not mean to dismiss your post…
that was, i thought, a dismissal of the question-mark kid…
everything you say is spot on… i agree…
? got the military mixed up with the war profiteering complex…
August 11th, 2007 at 10:09 pm…
#248. We’re good.
August 11th, 2007 at 10:13 pmGraham is the only evangelist that I have had an ounce of respect for.
I would think he would be a bit more concerned about the killing of innocent children that is a result of Bush.
Killing kids doesn’t seem to Christian like to me but on the other hands have the shit they do, doesn’t make sense to me.
jack jett
August 11th, 2007 at 11:06 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
Eh? This is the logic behine killing people.
Lord help us all.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:12 pmActually Mr. Jett,
I misread and you do seem deeply trooubled by the Bush Administration’s killing of innocents. This is an admirable characteristic.
Killing children is never a good thing.
Thank you for sharing.
We appreciate your thoughts and kindness.
August 11th, 2007 at 11:21 pmHow about poor Poppy Bush who was quoted in the NYT as being upset about people criticizing his dear boy. He compared it to being the father of a little leaguer playing a bad game.
The shallowness and self absorption of this crowd is unbelievable.
W has destroyed, killed, and maimed countless people and his idiot of a father is upset because people criticize him. He’s not the slightest bit upset about the mess his son has made of the world.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:34 amFor the record, religion has been a mixed bag for it’s followers, but the hypocrisy of today’s current crop of supposedly righteous people would make Christ puke His guts out.
Comment by barfly — August 11, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
barfly- The authority on Jesus! ;)
August 12th, 2007 at 1:40 amJesus never existed. It was all invented around 70 A.D.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:44 amBelieve it if you want to.
Billy Graham is still alive? Talk about your holdover!
You know he is a liberal Democrat. He said so.
Poor…..POOOOOOOR, George Bush. He has no way out……..BOOOHOOOOBOOOHHOOOOOOO!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:52 am“Jesus never existed. It was all invented around 70 A.D.
Believe it if you want to.”
You’re mistaken, batty.
“Billy Graham is still alive? Talk about your holdover!
You know he is a liberal Democrat. He said so.”
Comment by batbird — August 12, 2007 @ 10:44 am
And a lot of people who have voted Republican in the last 10-20 years were Democrats. Secular progressives hijacked the party and moved it so far left, moderate and conservative Democrats had no choice but to vote Republican. Graham is, and always has been somewhat moderate to liberal except in areas of morality. On those issues, he is conservative. ;)
August 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmNot to say the deceased was a sinner for being gay, but aren’t church’s supposed to be “hospitals for sinners, not museums for saints�
My grandparents told me that a long time ago.
Comment by numfar — August 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Expecting a Christian church to hold a service celebrating a lifestyle choice that is anti-Christian? No problem with that? They would have held the service if the family wasn’t insistent on portraying homosexuality as being acceptable. Trying to force the church to compromise it’s principles maybe? ;)
August 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmAs they say, “Bring it on”. The draft will put a stop to war. It will no longer be a poor man’s war to fight and die by. That will stop it. Charlie Rangel already espoused that idea. He’s is dead on.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:05 pm