24 hours before it was to hold a memorial service for Navy vet Cecil Howard Sinclair, the High Point Church in Arlington, TX, canceled the ceremony after discovering that Sinclair was gay. “It’s a slap in the face. It’s like, ‘Oh, we’re sorry he died, but he’s gay so we can’t help you,’” said Sinclair’s sister, Kathleen Wright. High Point’s pastor, Rev. Gary Simons, claimed the church acted on “principle”:
“We did decline to host the service — not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle,” Simons told The Associated Press. “Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it — yes, we would have declined then. It’s not that we didn’t love the family.”
Jesus wept.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:32 amNot based on hatred. We love the family but hate the fact he was gay. Jesus weeps.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:33 am“We did decline to host the service — not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle.â€
August 12th, 2007 at 11:35 amA friend long ago told me that when someone said something was a matter of principle, to ask them to state exactly what the principle is. I wish the pastor would state the principle he’s referring to—in the words of his Savior, if possible.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:37 amMaybe the head of High Point Church is gay? And this is part of of self-hate routine?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:37 amThats some “principle”.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:38 amYup, the principle of hatred and discrimination. Disgusting.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:40 amIt’s not that we didn’t love the family.
Aren’t memorial services really for the family? The deceased really isn’t in a position to care much one way or the other. This is a sad commentary on this church and its pastor.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:40 amrecycling stories from C&L ???
you would be doing yourselves a HUGE favor, TP,
if you went to the gonzales thread and pitched everything
from at least the 800s on…
really really smelly over there…
August 12th, 2007 at 11:41 ama major embarrassment…
…
#7 Bob, I was going to say the same thing about principle of hatred, but you beat me to it.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:43 amYa gotta love these “holier-than-thou” so called “Christians” that claim to have “principles”. Strange how selective their “principles” are. I’m sure there’s more than one principle that they discriminate against but strange how the only one that gets enforced is homosexuality.
And as a side note on homosexuality, take a look at the pastor on their web page. I’m just saying…….
August 12th, 2007 at 11:44 amIf he were a gambler or an alchoholic or an adulterer the service would have been canceled too.
Comment by George — August 12, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Seriously? How do you know that? Does this church have a specific list of sins that forbid a memorial service?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:45 amrecycling stories from C&L ???
Comment by katy — August 12, 2007 @ 11:41 am
It was a story on Americablog a few days ago. C&L picked it up and now TP.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:46 amApparently Pastor Simons isn’t satisfied to hate “the gay” during life, the hate must go on even after death.
Oops, I mean….his principles must go on even after death.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:46 amTrizza-OMG!! I wonder if he know Rev. Haggard?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:47 am“It’s not that we didn’t love the family.â€
Ya, they loved them so much they were going to teach them a lesson about supporting the geh lifestyle..doing bait and switch over a dead loved one.
Nice people.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:48 amhow christ like……
August 12th, 2007 at 11:48 amIf I had Bill Gates’ money, I might be tempted to hire a squadron of private investigators and identify every single member of that church who has ever been involved in adultery. Such individuals would indeed be fortunate if they were merely let off with expulsion from the church, since the Biblical prescriptions were a little more severe, as the passages which will follow later will attest.
So, the question to anyone who wishes to speak for High Point — What would you have done in the following situation? Would your actions be consistent with the stance of your church with regard to canceling the service for the gay veteran? Please explain.
And here are the promised Biblical passages, taking note that the New Testament rules apparently exempt the man from any punishment (how convenient):
John 8:2-11 — 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.” — NIV
Leviticus 20:10 — 10 ” ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.– NIV
August 12th, 2007 at 11:49 amGood Morning ’s Katy,…..Sad post for the family….I guess this church is missing the main point’s like brotherly love, serving it’s member’s and most of all the teaching’s of their Bible……
What’s up with TP?, a real mess, I have been gone on purpose….Blessings
August 12th, 2007 at 11:51 amWhat can you say…they are supersitious primatives that still believe in the invisible, magical faerie in the sky. If they believe in that then they are too stupid to know any better.
Off topic: Thought I would post that before the trolls take over. The amount of trolls on TP has made it so I seldom come here for even reading the thread topics anymore, they are destroying your site on purpose. You respond to them and their numbers increase, it is just sad that TP does not ban most of them.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:51 amcan somebody explain why i am having so much freaking trouble opening the ‘thinkprogress’ website? there are no graphics and 9 times out of 10 a pop-up tells me i need to download some “document.” Looks like a virus. Anybody else got this? Is there a fix?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:53 amSince the High Point Church of Arlington, Texas seems to interpret the Bible literally, then surely the following must apply:
1) None of their members have ever sinned. But this can’t be true. The New Testament clearly states in Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” — English Standard Version
This then leads to Option #2:
2) Every member of the church is missing eyes, ears, tongues, brains (likely in many cases) and/or other assorted appendages.
(The Biblical reference appears at the end of this post). Does the church perform the necessary surgery as part of a religious ceremony? Does the altar double as a surgical suite? Their property was formerly a corporate site for Johnson & Johnson. Did they receive a sweetheart deal on bandages and other medical equipment?
Think this writer has lost his mind?
Once you’ve stopped laughing, please consider the following excerpt from the church’s own website:
“Our Statement of Faith:
We believe:
That the Bible is the inspired, infallible and authoritative written Word of God”
Since “all have sinned” and the Bible is infallible, then body parts which cause a person to sin are to be removed.
Still shaking your head in disbelief? Then check out the following passage from the New Testament (i.e., Matthew 5:27-30):
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.” — English Standard Version
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 ambanning+restriction of freedom of speech=unTP.
I have made friends with a few trolls, and if you laugh them off instead of getting defensive, they lose steam…
yes, I’ve flamed a couple of them myself, but the key is to flame(if you must) then ignore…
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 amJesus would not be proud. Sometimes I wonder how people can interpret His message this way. Jesus told us to love our neighbors as we did ourselves, even the sinners. There’s really no excuse for this.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 amoops
banning=restriction of freedom of speech
August 12th, 2007 at 11:55 amTIME TO HEAVILY TAX THESE MEGA HYPOCRITES, I MEAN CHURCHES!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou really have to love those religious hypocrites….
Here is another story about a pastor as well….
http://www.rawstory.com/ showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chron.com%2Fdisp%2Fstory.mpl%2Fmetropolitan%2F5045830.html
Pastor accused of dragging girl behind his van
“A San Antonio pastor and an employee of his Christian boot camp were arrested Friday on aggravated assault charges, accused of dragging a girl behind a van after she failed to keep up during a running exercise.”
August 12th, 2007 at 11:55 am……I wonder if he know Rev. Haggard?
Comment by whiteyfresh
I wouldn’t doubt if they both belong to the same bath house and have lockers next to each other. As a generality, those that complain the most, or “preach” to others about immorality tend to be the ones who are engaging in that very same immoral act.
As Shakespeare wrote…”The lady doth protest too much”. In this case it would be “The gentleman”.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:55 amemail these hypocrites and let them know how you feel:
http://www.churchunusual.com/
why is their url “chruch unusual”?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:56 amHypocritical bastards. So much for the “Support our Troops” mantra emanating from the right.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:02 pmStrange Fruit:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/ n/ nina+simone/ strange+fruit_20100706.html
August 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI went to this “church’s” website.
“Miracles Still Happen!”
Yes, it’s a miracle if that guy is straight….
August 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pmPerhaps High Point has their own unique interpretation of the meaning of Romans 14:3-10?
Any High Pointers out there care to elucidate?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pmIt was at the 2000 Repignican convention in Philadelphia that former congressman Tom “Bugboy” DeLay thunderously proclaimed that “we (the Repignicans) are the party of god”.
Funny how the “god” I studied in Lutheran confirmation classes ages ago was a loving all inclusive “god”. I wonder when he/she/it changed so radically?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWhat would they have done if he had at some point in his life committed adultery? That’s a choice, right? Can’t wait to see the trolls on this one…
August 12th, 2007 at 12:12 pmCareful curmudgeon, republicans don’t like having the fact that they don’t follow the religion they claim to follow, and break just about every law the Bible puts forth, brought to other people’s attention.
It makes them itchy.
:)
August 12th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWhat did the Wright woman expect from US Chritianist?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:19 pmI do not agree with the church refusing to hold a memorial service for the Navy Vet. They must hold services for sinners as well. This could be used as an opportunity to witness and coax non-believers into giving their lives to Christ. It is sad to hear that the Vet died because he could have given his life to Christ and diverted from his sinful ways before death. I hope others use his death as an example. I will continue to pray for the Vet’s family.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:20 pmIs there anything in the 10 Commandments regarding homosexuality?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:21 pmThe section entitled, “Our Statement of Faith” on the High Point Church website, includes absolutely no mention of forgiveness or accepting others who are not exactly like them.
Surely, they can’t be pleased that Jesus choose to spend quality time with tax collectors (the pariahs of the time), the poor, the infirm and horror of horrors, prostitutes. Would they have allowed Jesus’ funeral to be held in their sacred church?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:22 pmWhile I am not religious, I have read the book. These people are not Christian. Much of what they use to condemn homosexuality is either from the Old Testament or the Apostle Paul.
The Apostle Paul hated eveything! He was a misogynist. He was a homophobe. He did not know Christ. He claims conversion on the Damascus Road. He was alone.
So these present-day “Christians” actually are serving another master.
They are so fond of quoting John 3:16:
As usual, they conveniently forget the next verse:
If that church and its pastor does not believe that one of its members, Navy Vet Cecil Howard Sinclair, was saved, then they don’t believe God. To my way of thinking the church has a problem: According to what they say they believe, Cecil is in heaven and his accusers are condemned to hell.
To the family: Get out of that hate-filled church. Be comforted that Cecil is at rest. If there is life beyond the grave, be assured he heard the words: “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
August 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI am curious. If they can’t HOLD a service for a war hero who was gay, how can they let guys like Ted Haggard LEAD services?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:31 pmJesus HATED GAYS. Its a FACT. Its in the Bible don’t you know?
It is all there in writing, GODs WORD…
And Jesus said unto them, “I hate gays, and later in my holy meggachurches thow shalt not allowest them to pray there. I hate gays and on principle ye shall cast them from within the meggachurch.”
Just go to the Holy Bible…God’s word… Just like it says!!!
Amen brother, pass the offering plate.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:33 pmRose Tyler blows hard, she forfieted my beautiful name again.
And Sharon, just stay the hell away; will ya?
I’m the new Zooey in this town!
August 12th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThe High Point has a section on its website named “Ethnic Ministries”, but when you click onto it, it only says, “Coming Soon.” Surely, there must be some significant discussion on this area.
They do provide a number of affinity groups, however, one stop shopping for everything you might need in your life:
Sports - Softball
Writers & Authors
12 Step Christ Centered Recovery Program
HPC Open Air Ministry
Healing Hearts of Women
Stock Market Trends
Marriage Support
Motorcycles
Intercessory
Prison Ministry
Christian Parenting for Various Stages of Life
Basic Christian Growth
Arbrook Nursing Home
Health
Some of these groups may contribute to its parishioners’ spiritual growth, but “Sports-Softball”, “Stock Market Trends” and “Motorcycles”?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:36 pmThe Church pastor is a disgusting hypocrite and most likely a GOPer.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIt’s true that Rudy was there more often - in fact, he was there getting Ground Zero set up on 9/10 -what’s up with that picture?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Makes no difference. TP would no longer allow me to post as Zooey, so you can have it — you’ll go the same way soon.
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Jesus HATED GAYS. Its a FACT. Its in the Bible don’t you know?
It is all there in writing, GODs WORD…
And Jesus said unto them, “I hate gays, and later in my holy meggachurches thow shalt not allowest them to pray there. I hate gays and on principle ye shall cast them from within the meggachurch.â€
Just go to the Holy Bible…God’s word… Just like it says!!!
Amen brother, pass the offering plate.
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I guess there can never be enough hatred, death, and destruction in the world for Christ or his followers … ?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:39 pmComment by Administrator1 — August 12, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
just to be sure - sinclair was NOT a member of that “church”…
August 12th, 2007 at 12:39 pmas far as other family being members, the article only mentions
that a brother was a janitor at the church…
…
We love the family but hate the son.
Is that what good Christians are all about?
August 12th, 2007 at 12:49 pm“you would be doing yourselves a HUGE favor, TP,
if you went to the gonzales thread and pitched everything
from at least the 800s on…
really really smelly over there…
a major embarrassment…
Comment by katy “
Why would they do that. They can now go out in the world and brag that they had one thread that has 800 comments. Wow, what bragging rights that is.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:50 pmMakes no difference. TP would no longer allow me to post as Zooey, so you can have it — you’ll go the same way soon.
Comment by Rose Tyler
If you’d stop playing with the trolls balls, and stop the idle chit-chat, then TP. might deem you worthy of my beautiful name.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pmBTW., I thought you and falseblue and other crybabies were leaving for greener pastures. LOL
For an absolutely mind-bending experience, check out “Zeitgeist, The Movie” on one of the two major video sites.
if you haven’t seen it before or arent’ familiar with the material, your jaw will drop open in amazement and/or disbelief.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI thought you and falseblue and other crybabies were leaving for greener pastures. LOL
Comment by Zooey
Cuz your contribution here has been huge. Riiight.
August 12th, 2007 at 12:56 pmAnother personal fixation a-hole with some of the regular posters. Cant you just get a life?
Trolls are fixated on Bush’s crotch > they want to all be his pole smoker.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBTW., I thought you and falseblue and other crybabies were leaving for greener pastures. LOL
Comment by Poser Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Actually, I do what I please. And it pleases me to be here this morning with a lovely new name. *yawn*
August 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHi, Juan. :)
August 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI liked the old Zooey bettter this one is sort of tarded.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pmoops
banning=restriction of freedom of speech
Comment by whiteyfresh — August 12, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Try this one:
banning=/=restriction of freedom of speech
Freedom of speech applies to and from the government, not private entities.
Unless TP is a government run site, banning in no way impacts freedom of speech.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:06 pmReligion is hilarious. It’s like watching little kids play house and making up rules just for the sake of it. Get a real job, REVEREND
August 12th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHi, Juan. :)
Comment by Rose Tyler
Hey, friend. It was being gloomy without you here. :)
August 12th, 2007 at 1:11 pmUnless TP is a government run site, banning in no way impacts freedom of speech.
Comment by hacker bob
which is another reason to be against privatizations. Just sayin…
Nice to have you here, Bob.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHey, friend. It was being gloomy without you here. :)
Comment by Juan C — August 12, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
I’m only here for a bit — tired of waiting for the men to wake up. :)
August 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pmHi, Juan. :)
Comment by Rose Tyler
There you go again, pattin’ little Juanny on the head and drying his back.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pmAnd you wonder why TP. won’t let you post. No great loss.
Each time I read dumb sh*t like this I am reinforced my 50+ years as an athiest have been correct.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI liked the old Zooey {bettter} this one is sort of tarded.
Comment by dbadass
Me?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThere you go again, pattin’ little Juanny on the head and drying his back.
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
See my above response. I do what I please — and it pleases me to dry Juan’s back.
Go monitor your own life — if you have one.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:20 pmMe?
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Yes, you are retarded.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHey, friend. It was being gloomy without you here. :)
Comment by Juan C
Then why don’t you leave too.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:24 pmYour mammy’s callin’, now git!
Here’s the bio page for the ‘good’ pastor Simons.
http://www.churchunusual.com/pastor.html
You may first need to take your anti-nausea medication before reading.
Yikes.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:25 pmGo monitor your own life — if you have one.
Comment by Rose Tyler
Is it just me, or does this comment just drip with irony?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:27 pmIs it just me, or does this comment just drip with irony?
Comment by Poser Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
It’s just you.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:29 pmOn topic:
Hahahahhaha. Divine Hypocresy!!!
A friend told me this anecdote from the Church he used to sing in the chorus back when he was a teenager. And just some days before the leading guitar of the chorus was about to marry with a girl he met there, somebody found the priest and the guitarist making out like there was no tomorrow inside the confessionary room.
Guess, this giving your life to Christ kind of make you very close towards people of your own gender.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pm“Jesus wept.
Comment by Lynn Lightfoot — August 12, 2007″
Dry up! Some institutions believe homosexuality is WRONG! I applaud the church!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Juan C — August 12, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
At least they were already in confession — one stop shopping!!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pmoh! good morning, sharon!
sorry so late… i missed that @ 11:51…
have a good day hugging!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pmtoo hot here, for me, to do anything outdoors…
looking around, the puter is not the best use of my time either…
no energy yet… happy sunday - my lazy day…
…
Okay, I know I’m going to get slammed for this. Some of the people who complain about trolls, actually spend more time doing that than commenting on the story. How is that different from the trolls?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pm” Ya gotta love it.
Comment by Bill from Dover — August 12, 2007″
We know liberals don’t have much respect for principles. I respect the church’s decision.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:35 pmChris > that pastor has a block on printing out his bio. He looks gayish to me with his pencil line goatee and mustache.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:35 pm“I wish the pastor would state the principle he’s referring to—in the words of his Savior, if possible.
Comment by Leisureguy — August 12, 2007″
Simple! Homosexuality is immoral! Get it?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:36 pmgood story, juan…
so, was that engagement called off?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:36 pm.
Dry up! Some institutions believe homosexuality is WRONG! I applaud the church!
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Where do you stand on the Phelps program?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThere is nothing Christian about today’s mainstream Christian church.
This is exactly why I don’t attend church any more.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:37 pmComment by Administrator1 — August 12, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Sorry Admin, but at least I managed an on-topic comment or two.
Just sayin’
August 12th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“This is a sad commentary on this church and its pastor.
Comment by tom — August 12, 2007″
No it’s a sad commentary on how low liberal morals have declined!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:38 pmIf that pastor went to San Francisco, then he would be hit on by Gay men. Hmm I wonder if that is his problem?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:38 pm“Where do you stand on the Phelps program?
Comment by dbadass — August 12, 2007″
Which is?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:40 pm“Simple! Homosexuality is immoral! Get it?”
Comment by michael
So’s an unjust war.
Get it?
Good — now stop supporting this crooked regime.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSad really, great big megachurch and no Christians in it.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:41 pm“Where do you stand on the Phelps program?
Comment by dbadass — August 12, 2007″
Which is?
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
And you have the nerve to call Zooey stupid? Too funny.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:41 pmNo it’s a sad commentary on how low liberal morals have declined!
Comment by michael —
How so?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pmto comment 90: Interesting that someone so opinionated doesn’t know Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhich is?
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
try godhatesfags.com
August 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pm“So’s an unjust war.
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007″
Says who? You white flag waving, cut and run liberals?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by Administrator1 — August 12, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
It’s not a Church. It’s basically one extended family of weirdos
August 12th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“Interesting that someone so opinionated doesn’t know Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church.
Comment by Administrator1 — August 12, 2007″
And your point is?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:44 pmSays who? You white flag waving, cut and run liberals?
Comment by michael
Look up the definition of “just war” and you’ll learn something new.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:45 pmkaty:
August 12th, 2007 at 1:45 pmNobody gives a shit about you or your lazy day–get lost.
“How so?
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007″
Have you forgotten the topic of this thread so fast? Homosexuality, dunce!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“Nobody gives a shit about you or your lazy day–get lost.
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007″
Mommy let you out of your room?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:46 pmMichael wrote, ‘Simple! Homosexuality is immoral!’
You goof ball, MURDER is immoral. Homosexuality is simply the attraction one has for the same sex. How in the world can that be immoral? One is an act of violence the other is a feeling. Like so many nuts, you don’t know the difference between apple and oranges.
BUT, by the way, there’s also nothing wrong with actually having sex with someone of the same gender. Some day, maybe some day, you’ll learn that love doesn’t have boundaries. I suppose you still believe it’s wrong for a Black person to love a White person.
You also wrote, ‘Some institutions believe homosexuality is WRONG! I applaud the church!’
We’re angry not so much that they stopped the funeral, but because THEY’RE HYPOCRITS. They pick and chose which things from the bible they want to enforce. I wonder if they should murder people in their congregation who are ‘adulterers’ as the ‘Bible’ instructs.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAnd you have the nerve to call Zooey stupid? Too funny.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 12, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
The new one seems so but certainly not the prior gentlewoman
August 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm“Look up the definition of “just war†and you’ll learn something new.
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007″
Save me the trouble if you can?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pmmichael: You clearly love to provoke. Since you have expressed an opinion, back it up. It is not enough just to blame “liberals.” That’s a cop out. If you have a view regarding the church and homosexuality. then express it. Otherwise, you are just a troll. If that’s what you intend to be, then don’t expect to be taken seriously.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pmExactly what did “No it’s a sad commentary on how low liberal morals have declined!” have to do with the topic of the thread, silly goat?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pmMichael:
August 12th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHaving been brought up to speed with regard to the Phelps deal, what are your thoughts? Do you applaud their “principled” stance?
And you have the nerve to call Zooey stupid? Too funny.
Comment by Rose Tyler
Yet another example of your endless troll ball tickling.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pm“You goof ball, MURDER is immoral.
Comment by ChrisSEA — August 12, 2007″
This coming from the party who continues to support the torture and murder of 30 million unborn fetuses over the last 35 years? Don’t preach immorality to me jerk!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pmSave me the trouble if you can?
Comment by michael
Another lazy homeschooler.
Google “just war,” slacker.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pmPharisees were acting “on principle” too.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pm“Yet another example of your endless troll ball tickling.
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007″
Why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:51 pmDon’t preach immorality to me jerk!
Comment by michael
Why not? You seem to need a refresher course…
August 12th, 2007 at 1:52 pmComment by Zooey —
Mommy let you out of your room?
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
HILARIOUS!
August 12th, 2007 at 1:53 pmsorry… i couldn’t resist…
August 12th, 2007 at 1:53 pmDon’t preach immorality to me jerk!
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
So about those Phelps? Thumbs up or down?
August 12th, 2007 at 1:54 pmmichael, I’d like to know your answer to dbadass’ question also.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:55 pmWith Mike hovering around, I think we should all know how to spot a troll:
- Spending an inordinate amount of time where you’re not wanted;
- A slavish, dog-like obedience to authority;
- A willingness to mimic any talking point;
- A willingness to change any opinion you hold at the drop of the President’s hat;
- A contempt for those who challenge you on any point.
And, I might add, stealing others names in a pathetic attempt at getting attention, and derailing discussion.
August 12th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“Google “just war,†slacker.
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007″
Why, so I can get some dumb liberal’s explanation of why they want to cut and run?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:01 pm“Why, so I can get some dumb liberal’s explanation of why they want to cut and run?
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 2:01 pm”
So what is/was your rank in the military michael????
August 12th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThis is great. Michael must mean that Republicans are the party of human rights. Well, there’s something new to everyone here. Let’s see, it’s the Republicans (Bush et al) who are allowing thousands of Americans and many more Iraqi’s to be murdered. That’s just great. And if that ain’t enough, it’s the lovely Republican administration who condones torture.
I note Michael evades questions. Do you believe the Bible? Should people who commit adultery be murdered? Since this church believes the Bible is ‘infallible’ should women be allowed to talk in church? Or how about children who ‘curse’ their parents. Should they also be put to death as the Bible instructs? I could go on and on with the absurdity that is the Bible you and your party cling to.
So don’t lecture us on murder when in the name of your bible millions of BORN human beings have been murdered. Christianity and its history have been responsible for more atrocity and death than abortion ever has.
Now Michael, please go back to the first pew of Reverend Phelps church where you came from.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmHave you forgotten the topic of this thread so fast? Homosexuality, dunce!
Comment by michael — August 12, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
So about the on topic discussion of the Phelps inbreds and you stated opinion that you applaud churches which stand by their principles?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmdbadass, I don’t think you are going to get an answer.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:07 pmsorry… i couldn’t resist…
Comment by katy — August 12, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
It is amazing, isn’t it? :D
August 12th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLet me define ‘Cut and Run’ that Michael keeps spewing for everyone.
‘CUT AND RUN’ = ‘GETTING OUT OF A WAR BUSH LIED US INTO’
Ok, can we now shoot down the next silly Republican talking point?
So Michael what does your Bible say about deception and lying?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:10 pmA church whose doctrine is that homosexuality is immoral and will get you sent to hell is merely being consistent with its teachings in refusing to give a gay person a burial service. It would be hypocritical fpr tje, to provide a burial service for such a person.
If one believes that everything in the Bible is literally the word of God, it follows that one must believe that homosexuality is immoral because it is condemmed both in the Old Testament and the New Testament (by St. Paul).
Not all Christian Churches believe in such a literal reading of the Bible, and some of the more liberal protestant churches, that reject such literalism, do not condem homosexuality. The family clearly should have sought out such a church. Fortunately in the United States, where we (in spite of the best efforts of the fundamentalists) still have separation of church and state, people have a choice of many different churches with different doctrines, so that they can choose a church whose teachings are compatible with their beliefs.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCome on now Michael, we’ve given you plenty of time. That superior education of yours and superhero powers of debate should have yielded a response by now or have you been owned yet again?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:13 pmwelcom to the troll haven, rose…
will be looking forward to your insight and wit!
…
August 12th, 2007 at 2:13 pm“If one believes that everything in the Bible is literally the word of God, it follows that one must believe that homosexuality is immoral because it is condemmed both in the Old Testament and the New Testament (by St. Paul).”
And one must also own slaves - as it is also in the bible, and an exhortation from God…
August 12th, 2007 at 2:14 pmCaptain Video, I don’t disagree with you that the family maybe could have chosen a better congregation to belong to, but this is really about a more fundamental hypocrisy. The church is being quite hypocritic in its ‘adherence’ to its view of the Bible. Like I said before, unless it somehow follows the letter of this ‘inflallible’ document they’re being hypocrits.
It’s upon this deeper level of hypocrisy that riles our anger so much when so many Christian churches (and hence the Republican party) chooses to vilify we gay folks when they chose to ignore other Biblical edicts.
And by the way what did JESUS himself ever say about homosexuality, not one of his so-called followers?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:16 pm“And by the way what did JESUS himself ever say about homosexuality, not one of his so-called followers?”
Comment by ChrisSEA
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?
Love thy neighbor?
Do unto others?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:19 pmdbadass, I don’t think you are going to get an answer.
Comment by Administrator1 — August 12, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
It appears that “brave sir Michael” has chickened out and ran away. I can believe that such a powerful debater and highly educated fellow can be defeated by anyone whose education has all been through public institutions.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmi recall reading that the church OFFERED to perform the service,
because a brother was a janitor at the church…
the family was not part of the membership…
it was after the planning began that it was found he was gay,
and the church changed it’s mind…
really, really bad form, if nothing else…
August 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmmichael ran away embarrassed…
August 12th, 2007 at 2:24 pmhe’s trying to figure out how that happened…
such an idjit…
welcom to the troll haven, rose…
will be looking forward to your insight and wit!
Comment by katy
Oh sure, right, as if either of you idiots could even identify insight or wit.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:24 pmYeah, I guess Michael CUT AND RUN.
More hypocrisy from the Wrong.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI love it when so-called Christians, charlatans actually discuss Jesus hating someone. Jesus didn’t teach hate, Jesus didn’t teach anything but compassion and tolerance and understanding. But that would get in the way of the Nazi mentality. An Inconvenient truth so to speak.
Now, here we have a self professed devout Christian speaking on the subject. Being a true Christian is a tough business, far more so than 99% of the so-called born agains and self professed saved realize. It is altogether so childishly simple to steal their souls right out from uder their cross;
“May God Almighty give our work His blessing, strengthen our purpose, and endow us with wisdom and the trust of our people, for we are fighting not for ourselves but for Germany.”
speech delivered at Berlin, February 1, 1933
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”
Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
“Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”
Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
Just a few examples from one of the best charlatans of them all. Led an entire Nation of right wing-nuts to destruction proclaiming self righteousness and devine sanctity all the way.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:26 pmSo MrPEE, when did you chose to be straight? I’m assuming that post wasn’t mere humor.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIt appears that “brave sir Michael†has chickened out and ran away.
Comment by dbadass
Maybe Michael had other things to do.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:27 pmPerhaps you should try it sometime.
Great post Bruno.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:29 pmso, was that engagement called off?
Comment by katy
Hahahahaha. Nice question. I just asked what had happened with the priest. And he was removed to another Church…hehehe. Maybe to cure his gayness.
BTW, katy, I do care about you. (Take that, troll boy)
Z…I was lmao with that one. Yeah, guess that the confessionary room take you a step towards heaven… well, at least for them, it would have seemed.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:29 pmhey michael ya dipwad, until YOU have carried a fetus you have no right to even speak on the issue. PERIOD If you don’t have a uterus, you don’t HAVE A SAY on the issue.
The keyword in your drivel is UNBORN. Before a fetus is BORN it is not able to LIVE WITHOUT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER, so your concern for LIFE should rest with the MOTHER.
You moronic right to lifers need to open an orphanage and take care of all those babies you claim to have concern for and actually BACK UP your rhetoric or shut the hell up.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.â€
Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
Comment by Bruno Hauptmann
Where is that idiot troll that said that Nazis were atheists? hehehe.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:33 pmCant we have intelligent trolls for once?
Who are you to judge that church? If their beliefs are such that homosexuality (or other things #10 mentioned) are wrong, don’t they have the freedom to hold or not hold a service as their faith requires?
Your religious intolerance is showing.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pmJustice, I’ve noticed these right to lifers seem to lose all interest in all these unwanted fetuses after they’re born. Somehow it’s not immoral to raise an unwanted child in poverty and despair. What people like Michael fail to realize is that there are degrees of morality and letting a child be born into terrible circumstances may be more immoral than aborting the fetus.
A corollary to this is that these are the same people who would prevent loving gay couples from adopting unwanted children. The fact is these people have to have their shit together both mentally/emotionally as well as financially to do so. In other words, the very people who could truly provide for a child that would otherwise be unwanted (but as long as it’s born!) are the very people these so-called Christians would prevent from doing so.
Yet another reason why a megachurch like the one mentioned above is so creepy. They foster hypocrisy on so many levels.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pmYou’re right, because this doucher chose to be a *******!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LibTrOLLKKKiller!
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Figures you have KKK in your name, you low life piece of ****.
Religion, in the history of mankind, has slain 850 million people in it’s name….why do people still follow religion at all with the ignorances and hateds it breeds…….wake up humans!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 2:44 pmLibTrollkiller wrote, ‘Everyone is born straight, because that is how GOD intended it be, naturally.’
First, I note the loving tone that I’m sure Jesus would have used also. Where in the Beatitudes did Jesus use the term ‘NLY FAGGOTS CHOOSE TO BE GAYFAGS!’?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
Now, I myself was born gay. You may not like that homosexuality exists across animal species far and wide, but it’s the truth.
But thanks for sharing your special brand of Christian love. Where can I jump on more of that?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:45 pm“Everyone is born straight, because that is how GOD intended it be, naturally.
ONLY FAGGOTS CHOOSE TO BE GAYFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August”
Really????
Can you prove that????
I doubt your “assumption” is factual at all…..
If God did not want “gays” to be born that way then ANIMALS would not turn to the opposite sex as well….
Please provide the location that I can have a ONE ON ONE with god so that he can tell me that “gays” were not intended to be born that way…..
Until YOU can do that, YOU have no idea what the HELL you are talking about.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI find it rather odd that anyone within a Google search could make such an uninformed statement that the Nazi’s were atheists. The were infact, anything but. Nazi Germany was predominately Roman Catholic with a large minority of Protestant Christians. As if quotations from Hitler concerning his devotion to Christianity weren’t enough, there are thousands of photographs of the Nazi indulgance of, worship of, and committment to, Christianity.
One of my favority photographs is contained in the World at War Series, ( http://www.amazon.com/ World-War-30th-Anniversary/ dp/ B0002F6AH0 ), in which on one tape we travel to Berlin. It is 1942 at the height of the war. The camera pans over a very large crowd in downtown Berlin singing Oh Tanenbaum, festive, gay, and indulging the Christmas spirit the festivity is very much like that celebrated on the White House lawn every year. In the center is this huge Christmas tree all it up with decorations and lights and everyone is singing… The camera pans it’s way up the tree slowly revealing all the bright lights and ornaments slowly it arrives at the top, where in magic splendor the brightest lit object of all decorates the top of the Christmas tree. It is a Nazi Swastica in all its blazing glory. Good will towards men huh.
http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
August 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pmONLY FAGGOTS CHOOSE TO BE GAYFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We should ask Romney´s boys.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pmLou this is true. LibtrollKKKiller does indeed belong to a special brand of KKKristianity.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pm“Lou this is true. LibtrollKKKiller does indeed belong to a special brand of KKKristianity.”
Chances are that this “trollKKK” person is gay and in deep denial himself…that’s usually the norm with extremist….I got this story off of Bill Maher’s blog site….he makes the christians there seem much more rational….lol.
The KKK is a terrorist organization you know…
August 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWell I’m just surprised that MrPEEE and Michael have CUT AND RUN from the debate.
Cowards.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pmLibTroLLKKKiller: You’re not under the misperception that you are posting anonymously, are you? Your hate speech is being taken down.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pmCommentary on public figures is protected by the First Amendment. Your hate speech is another matter.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:06 pmSomebody here please read a history book.
“Nothing will prevent me from eradicating totally, root and branch, all Christianity in Germany.” - Adolf Hitler, April 7th, 1933.
This from the pro-Nazi German Faith Movement: “We have no point of connection with Martin Luther, for we have no sense of a relationship to the Bible as a godly holy book, nor to Christ as a Messiah-Savior.”
The Nazis were not Christian. They exterminated Christians along with the Jews. Hitler, like many of today’s Islamo-fascists, was out to kill Jews, Christians and leftists.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:11 pmChristianity is a dangerous, evil and hateful cult that appeals to the dumbest NASCAR types lumbering about the country who think they can visit a zoo and see a living dinosaur.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmNot to say the deceased was a sinner for being gay, but aren’t church’s supposed to be “hospitals for sinners, not museums for saints”?
My grandparents told me that a long time ago.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI think the trolls ran out of meds, they’ve gone batty again today. Poor poor sad pathetic losers, their entire GOP party is going down the crapper. And they are crying like a bunch of 13 year olds who’s mom took away the XBox.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmSee, even when presented with the photographic and historical truth, the right wing extremists cannot bring themselves to look at it. I suppose then all the photo’s, and there are hundreds of them, of the Nazi’s celebrating Christianity, and Christian festivities, Christmas, Mass, religious weddings, wearing crosses, placing crosses on their dead, placing crosses to God at National shrines, and so on and so on, were all a big left wing conspiracy. Yeah, that’s it. It’s all made up. All those photo’s are doctored, and all those quotations, not only from Hitler, but from most all of the Third Reich’s leaders, were misquotes. We somehow, misunderestimated them.
This is the basic fault of organized religion. It turns true Christians blind to the facts. They would rather believe in Santa Clause than admit the truth. Like the movie “Miracle on 34th Street”, in which the five and dime shrink talks about Chris Kringle and his delusion, and if his delusion were attached that he’d become violent, these blinded Christians actually do just that. They become the very terrorists that they claim they hate in the Middle-East. Which is precisely what happened to the Fundamentalist Muslims. Works the same under either God. You challenge their delusions and they crack. They put on their John Deere hats and go off and blow up some Federal building in Oklahoma, or Bagdad. They wave the flag, eat a hot dog, then run out and blow up a family couseling clinic, doctors and all and then try to hide under poor Jesus claiming their the Lords warriors or some other lunacy. Never knowing just what actual damnation awaits them when they themselves arrive at the Pearly Gates and try to quick talk the Almighty himself. They convienantly forget God’s warning concerning false prophets and charlatans, and the special punishments God has in store for them.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:38 pmNothing like a hot afternoon to bring out the obscurants. From both ends of the spectrum.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:39 pm#176 has not read a history book.
Please see post #168.
Are you trying to put your own spin on history? What part of the following is unclear to you?
“Nothing will prevent me from eradicating totally, root and branch, all Christianity in Germany.†- Adolf Hitler, April 7th, 1933.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pmAnd what would that “principle” be? That a gay man cannot be hero, because he is gay? That a gay man’s life is not worth celebrating, because he is gay? Or is this just another example of so-called people of faith exposing themselves for the hatemongers and hypocrites that they are. These are people of greed, not people of faith–afraid to offend all those “Christians” whose hatred of gays has been whipped up by the Evangelical mega churches to fill the pews and the church coffers. It’s these pastors and their flocks that are an abomination. What a bunch of self-righteous sickos.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmRe: #178
No, not at all. I don’t think you caught on. Hitler was not a Christian, he was a Charlatan. So were his Reich Marshals, and most leaders of the Nazi movement. They hijacked the Christian religion in Germans and rode it and it’s blinded member for their own agenda of hatred and vitrolic power.
Germany was intertwined with Christianity, and the Nazi’s used it like the right-wing in America uses it. To twist the teachings of true Christianity, that of love, compassion, understanding, reason, and tolerance, into a hate filled weapon of polarization, and even convienant excuse for murder. Like I said, not at all unlike the Fundamentalist Muslims who do the exact same thing.
Hang with me here, it gets deep. ;-)
August 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmIf he were a gambler or an alchoholic or an adulterer the service would have been canceled too.
Comment by George — August 12, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Seriously? How do you know that? Does this church have a specific list of sins that forbid a memorial service?
Comment by VerbalKint — August 12, 2007 @ 11:45 am
The church wouldn’t hold a funeral for an adulterer if the family insisted on celebrating and promoting that it was ok, which is what this family wanted. TP failed to mention that the church offered to pay for a service somewhere else when it became apparent that the family was insistent upon presenting his gay lifestyle as being ok.
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Not to say the deceased was a sinner for being gay, but aren’t church’s supposed to be “hospitals for sinners, not museums for saints�
My grandparents told me that a long time ago.
Comment by numfar — August 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
That is exactly what the church is. But not for unrepentant sinners. The family insisted on presenting the man’s gay lifestyle as being ok, which conflicts with the Bible and the church. ;)
August 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmYes, in post #168 the quote from Hitler is correct. As I just pointed out in post #180. Sorry for my spelling errors also.
The fact that Hitler spoke of his devotion to Christianity, and from the other side of his mouth spoke of his hatred for it, should prove the point. It was a smoke screen, a charlatan’s act, a fabrication.
The Nazi leadership feigned Christiandom in order to gain control over a predominate Christian nation. They intertwined their right wing agenda of hatred, murder, and agression, into the Christian faith. They themselves were not believers, they however figured out how to hoodwink a nation of Christian believers to go along for the ride. And ride they did. Adding the damnation of Christ and the Bible, the Pope, and God, all to their demented agenda.
That’s how you know a charatan when you see one. Someone speaking of hatred, killing, murder, torture, arrogant piety and self righteousness, can call themselves a follower of Christ, and because organized religion teaches one not to think, not to reason, rather to follow blindly what their told, the charlatans find easy pickings among the flock with which to build up their armies of hatred and go blow up a Federal building in Oklahoma, the Twin Towers, or something in between.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmRe: #186
I find it interesting that I didn’t say that, rather you did.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:08 pm“Off topic: Thought I would post that before the trolls take over. The amount of trolls on TP has made it so I seldom come here for even reading the thread topics anymore, they are destroying your site on purpose. You respond to them and their numbers increase, it is just sad that TP does not ban most of them.
Comment by Buck Fush — August 12, 2007 @ 11:51 am”
Interesting how many folks here cannot handle opposing viewpoints, and wish to ban them.
Free speech, anyone?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pm“You’re an idiot if you think that President Bush uses Christianity like the Islamo-Fascists use Islam.”
Anyone who still uses that term (Islamofascists) at this late date, might as well hang a sign around his virtual neck announcing his ignorance.
Oh… wait…
August 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmRE: #184
Now there’s an interesting quote:
“The Nazis were not Christian. They exterminated Christians along with the Jews. Hitler, like many of today’s Islamo-fascists, was out to kill Jews, Christians and leftists.”
Yes, the ultra-right-wing Germans (Nazi’s), were out to kill Jews, Christians to be sure, and oh gee, leftists!
Leftists. They wanted to kill the leftists. They hated them huh. Called them names when they couldn’t shoot them. Used mob rule to oust them. Sound familiar.
Which then makes the right-wing…what?
And then the good part. The right-wing nuts start calling me names. Oh my, lions and tigers and bears. Can’t win an argument, so then start calling names. Throw some stones, no better yet, build some camps and put those lefties in them and gas them and……
Oh my goodness, the right-wing sounds like…doh.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pmFree speech, anyone?
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Name-stealing trolls, anyone?
Have you seen the list of “signs that you might be a troll,” yet?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmConservative Christians hate our soldiers. They hate our troops. They have disrespected the sacrifice and patriotism of Cecil Sinclair.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pm“Conservative Christian” is an oxymoron, like “compassionate conservatism.”
August 12th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThe pastor canceled the ceremony probably because he is himself gay. Remember Ted Haggard?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAs I said, attack the right-wing delusions and they crack. After some flag waving, claiming the other side or lefties are anti-Reich or anti-American, they proceed onto their second favorite and childish tactic to either use mob rule and ignore facts, history, photographic evidence, and in general logic and reason, or resort to name calling and attempts to entirely derail the thread with posts of bolded crosses or some such, and other gibberish all aimed at being disruptive rather than communicate in a civil manner, and as we’ve all seen they then get further and further agitated, spewing forth all manner of hatred mixed with slogans of Christianity and Nationalistic pride…
This is too easy.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmOther people here are talking about adulterers think they’re being clever, but maybe people who don’t know anything about Christian theology should shut up before condemning a Christian church, especially in this case the hypocrisy is much larger than adultery.
People who actually know something about Christian beliefs know, literally, the most important premise that everyone falls short of God’s ideal and sins, thus the need for Jesus.
And thus every single person that church has ever memorialized, allowed to speak at a memorial service, allowed to join, and even preached there is a sinner that has fallen short of God’s glory. This idea, and the idea that Jesus fixed that problem, are literally the entire core of Christianity.
So, um, why are they picking on this gay guy?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by Bruno Hauptmann — August 12, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Conservatism has nothing to do with logic or reason. It is about forcing your views on others.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:43 pmHow about some Free speech with a side of Freedom of Religion?
You folks are awfully tolerant of Muslims who have professed to want to kill us, while you are pretty tough on the Christian who doesn’t want to celebrate the life of a homosexual.
The Christian Bible says that homosexuality is abomination. You can choose to believe it, or you can choose to not believe it. But it’s in there, look it up.
So this pastor chose to honor his religion and his Holy Scripture by cancelling a memorial service for a homosexual.
Let’s see: In five Muslim countries, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, and Yemen, homosexuals can be executed according to the law.
In several other Muslim countries, homosexuals can do jail time, pay fines, or suffer corporal punishment (most often whippings).
Iran has executed over 4000 homosexuals since it’s Islamic “revolution” (which, incidentally, freed the people from the “tyranny” of the West).
My guess is that most of those folks executed for homosexuality in Iran would have settled just fine for being allowed to live, in exchange for no memorial service upon their eventual death from some other cause.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pmRe: #194
“So, um, why are they picking on this gay guy?”
Another voice of reason.
I think we just looked into that. It has something to do with the ease at which charlatans can hijack religion (a tempting target of ready made followers who devoutly practice a disciplined organization), and use that religion for their own agenda of hatred and power.
Another question would be:
Why did the nation of Germany, a predominate Christian nation of Roman Catholics and Protestantism went whole heartedly and head long into a period where Christianity itself for a period of time, became Satan’s best friend and most useful tool.
One of the groups of people the Nazi’s hated the worst, I mean they put the blighters on the racks, shot them, court marshaled them, went after them good was…. Gays.
Go figure
August 12th, 2007 at 4:50 pmBy denying this memorial service this pastor disrespect the service of a soldier. He dishonored the sacrifice of a soldier.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmYou folks are awfully tolerant of Muslims who have professed to want to kill us, while you are pretty tough on the Christian who doesn’t want to celebrate the life of a homosexual.
The Christian Bible says that homosexuality is abomination. You can choose to believe it, or you can choose to not believe it. But it’s in there, look it up.
So this pastor chose to honor his religion and his Holy Scripture by cancelling a memorial service for a homosexual.
Let’s see: In five Muslim countries, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, and Yemen, homosexuals can be executed according to the law.
In several other Muslim countries, homosexuals can do jail time, pay fines, or suffer corporal punishment (most often whippings).
Iran has executed over 4000 homosexuals since it’s Islamic “revolution†(which, incidentally, freed the people from the “tyranny†of the West).
My guess is that most of those folks executed for homosexuality in Iran would have settled just fine for being allowed to live, in exchange for no memorial service upon their eventual death from some other cause.
No more tollerant of Muslims who want to kill us than Christians that want to kill them. Personally life would be better for all the non-extremists if you two war loving crowds would just meet your maker today. You sound like Rush Limbaugh.
The Bible also says all sorts of other things, and you don’t follow them, you know like working on a sunday.
Now you talk about Muslim countries putting gays to death, like you or your leader even cares about the gays here in the USA.
And you want to debate, you have nothing to debate. Liberals know there are crazy Islamics, just as we know there are just as crazy Christians. And one thing for sure, your *cough* Christian leader sure has pissed off a lot of Islamic people, that like you say “just wanted to be allowed to live”.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by Bruno Hauptmann — August 12, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Conservatives don’t like gays because so many of them are gays. They use religion to further a biased point of view that has nothing to do with religion. Discrimination is cloaked as religion to make it acceptable.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pm