O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’
O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’
In their now infamous New York Times op-ed, Brookings analysts Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack wrote that “[w]e are finally getting somewhere” in Iraq, based on their eight day trip to the war-torn country.
In the days following the op-ed, the media gushed over the analyst’s opinions, uncritically referring to them as “vocal war critics,” despite their long history of support for the war.
But in a recent interview, Glenn Greenwald elicits the inner details of the trip from O’Hanlon, confirming “rather conclusively what a fraud this Op-Ed was, and even more so, the deceitfulness of the intense news coverage it generated.” Some key points from the interview:
O’Hanlon admits he is a war supporter: “As you rightly reported,” O’Hanlon told Greenwald, “I was not a critic of this war. In the final analysis, I was a supporter.”
A rushed, cherry-picked trip: O’Hanlon admitted that they spent approximately “between 2-4 hours” in every area they visited outside Baghdad, “and much of that was taken up meeting U.S. military commanders, not inspecting the proverbial ‘conditions on the ground.’” “They spent every night ensconced in the Green Zone in Baghdad,” adds Greenwald.
Pentagon “choreographed” the trip: In the op-ed, the analysts boast, “We just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel.” But O’Hanlon admitted: “The predominant majority were people who we came into contact with through the itinerary the D.O.D. developed. … For the most part, the conversations were ones arranged by D.O.D”
Unrepresentative view of Iraq: “If someone wanted to argue that we were not getting a representative view of Iraqis because the ones we spoke with were provided by the military, I would agree that this would be a genuine concern,” said O’Hanlon. “By no means did all of the Iraqis agree with the view of progress in Iraq.”
As Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) told Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) last month, the trips to Iraq organized by the U.S. government are aptly characterized as “the dog and pony show” for the superficial, dressed-up view they provide. O’Hanlon and Pollack’s op-ed, however, made no mention of the extent of the Pentagon’s involvement. Nor did O’Hanlon make much mention of it to other media outlets, observes Greenwald.
With the superficiality of their trip revealed, O’Hanlon and Pollack’s op-ed can hardly be considered the “climate-changing” salvo that the right wing would like it to be.
Read the full interview HERE.
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support the troops get them home to their families and children ASAP
Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq
Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is struggling to cope with the crisis
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/ world/ story/ 0,,2147052,00.html
August 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAnd it is not only the soldiers that are worn out. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have led to the destruction, or wearing out, of 40 per cent of the US army’s equipment, totalling at a recent count $212bn (£105bn).
August 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm‘War tsar’ calls for return of the draft to take the strain
America’s ‘war tsar’ has called for the nation’s political leaders to consider bringing back the draft to help a military exhausted by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThey should be apologizing to both the dogs and the ponies.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat kind of schmuck thinks a couple of hours at each choreographed site is going to give them any kind of a picture of what’s going on.
Not journalism, just the most bleatant (sic) propagandizing!
The US soldiers are on their 5th tours while the Iraqi government is on vacation because it’s too hot to work in the summer. The only way to protect these soldiers from the fatigue that puts them in increased danger is to reinstitute the draft since new enlistees are way down. The soldiers who keep reenlisting are doing so out of loyalty to their brothers in arms. This is a cycle of desperation that needs to be interrupted.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmDemocrats Say Leaving Iraq May Take Years
John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, would keep troops in the region to intervene in an Iraqi genocide and be prepared for military action if violence spills into other countries. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would leave residual forces to fight terrorism and to stabilize the Kurdish region in the north. And Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.
These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief. Antiwar advocates have raised little challenge to such positions by Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 08/ 12/ us/ politics/ 12dems.html?ex=1344571200&en=ad4324c44c78bf95&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
August 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmUS Prepares to Plug Hole Left by Brits With Thousands More GIs to Iraq
UK Army Says Pullout Delay Will Increase Deaths
http://www.antiwar.com/
August 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe left can’t handle the truth.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIran, Iraq sign oil pipeline deal
Iran and Iraq signed an agreement to build pipelines for the transfer of Iraqi crude oil and oil products,
Under the deal, Iran would buy 100,000 barrels of Iraqi crude to be refined in the southern port of Bandar Abbas, then sell the product back to Iraq. The accord would have no upper limit on quantities.
TODAYS NEWS
August 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/ s/ afp/ 20070811/ wl_mideast_afp/ iraniraqeconomyoil
Sunday: 5 GIs, 57 Iraqis Killed; 37 Iraqis Wounded
August 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm+++
Three US Soldiers, Two Other NATO Solders, Killed in Afghanistan
O’ Hanlon admits he is a war supporter,and not a critic of the war, and that translates to ‘Surge’ supporter, and that’s what his trip was all about- to support the ’surge’.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAnd that shows that he was not objective,and that was reflected in his article.
After all the whole trip was arranged by the Administration.
The left can’t handle the truth.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
The left can’t handle the level of stupidity spewed form you right wing nuts. We could get more intellectucal discourse volunterring at a preschool and at least accomplish something. If your mission is to show us why people are Republican you have shown us that it is limited intelligence. If your goal is to shut down this site, well others will prosper when this one fails.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSurrender Is As Surrender Does
Surrender enthusiasts may finally be surrendering. Dem candidates say getting out of Iraq may take years:
John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, would keep troops in the region to intervene in an Iraqi genocide and be prepared for military action if violence spills into other countries. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would leave residual forces to fight terrorism and to stabilize the Kurdish region in the north. And Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.
This think piece from the NYT would appear to be part of the growing campaign to get on the right side of this war and support a Democratic congressional surrender in September. They have finally figured out they can’t pull the rug out from under the troops in the field, particularly when they are winning. Now, they need to make it look like it was their idea. They being the candidates, NYT, etc. There isn’t much time:
These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAnd to think, right-wingers still believe the New York Times is a radical liberal paper. That they would allow such blatant nonsense proves they have learned nothing from the fiasco that was Judith Miller and their coverage of the administration’s case for the invasion of Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThese positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict…
“My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.” –March 16, 2003
“I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.” — on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 -D Cheney
YOU MEAN THESE KINDS OF BUMPER-STICKER MESSAGES, FRANK?
— however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief.
“There – it’s – you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. I believe it.” - G Bush
WILL IT BE HARDER OR EASIER THAN THIS, FRANK?
As President of the United States, Dubya has accumulated more vacation credits than any of his recent predecessors. According to Dale McFeatters in a ScrippsNews editorial published last August, Bush “broke Ronald Reagan’s record of 335 days for America’s most vacationed president†on August 19, 2005, “and went on to take the longest presidential vacation in 36 years.†That was over 18% of Bush’s time since taking office (or about nine weeks in his average year) and there has been much vacation time since then for the wartime president. (For reference, the average vacation time in the U.S. is 12 days, Japan, 18; France, 25; Germany, 30.)
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
WILL THE NEXT “COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF TAKE MORE OR LESS VACATION DAYS, FRANK?
August 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIF YOU DON NOT LEARN TO FIGHT THE TROLLS CORECTLY, YOU WILL KEEP LOSING TO THEM.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmMaybe O’Hanlon was at the White House at the Blogger Meeting ???
August 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#25….
Nice attempt to define Liberalism…but unfortunately it did not sell,because it lacks logic . Liberalism is Liberal’s worst enemy !!!…that’s Rush Limbaugh talk..
August 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAs a result, you and only you who bought it.
This think piece from the NYT would appear to be part of the growing campaign to get on the right side of this war and support a Democratic congressional surrender in September.
You don’t agree that we should surrender Iraq to the Iraqis?
They have finally figured out they can’t pull the rug out from under the troops in the field, particularly when they are winning. Now, they need to make it look like it was their idea. They being the candidates, NYT, etc. There isn’t much time:
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
The plan is to redeploy troops outside of the country and if things got way out of hand in Iraq then some troops would be sent back in. Democrats believe the Iraqis should be the ones deciding their country’s future. We shouldn’t even play into the equation.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmYeah Shane,
“This is a cycle of desperation that needs to be interrupted.”
Comment by shane — August 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
End the war. Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzo. Hard to believe that any sane American would suggest a draft to end this “cycle of desparation.”
Along with waging war on Iran as a solution to the cycle, advocating a draft as a solution to a “disaster of choice” deserves ridicule.
Clown posse, save your sorry, oily asses, and GET OUT.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIts great to know that there is plenty of room in hell for these two.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Congrats, Nat… you charged the red flag. You’re giving this troll just what he wants. Nice work. You’re helping hand over control of TP to the trolls.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmCongrats, Nat… you charged the red flag. You’re giving this troll just what he wants. Nice work. You’re helping hand over control of TP to the trolls.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 12, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
He’s doing a great job by himself.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmOur forces are not fatigued…
Who are you gonna trust, troops who’ve been there, or some know-nothing wingnut blowhard?
“Troops polled say armed forces stretched too thin overseas”
“WASHINGTON — A solid majority of American soldiers returning from the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan say that U.S. armed forces are stretched too thin, according to a poll released yesterday by a veterans group.”
August 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pmThe new conservative (rational) direction of TP further leads to a newfound promise that the great heritage of our nation will remain intact.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
How so? This will ensure its destruction.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Nobody’s rounding up democrats. They all remain free, as this is a free country. You’re a little too paranoid, even for TP’s likes.
And no, Hillary has nothing new to offer. Only in comparison to the other lame demo candidates, she does.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pm#39…
[ We will force them to submit to our will……
We will make the Iraqi’s do what we say,and spread out from there.
Today,Baghdad. Tomorrow the entire Middle East.]
And how are you going to do this …by killing them,so they can do what you want.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnd then fight the entire Middle East.
If you love to fight in the whole Middle East as you suggested, then what are you doing sitting in front of your computer…go and try your beloved wars so people can submit to your will…go and fulfill your favorite war dreams…Go and try it..
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
You’re getting reported and banned.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHe’s doing a great job by himself.
Comment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
If he’s doing such a great job, why are you helping him?
The comment you tried to refute doesn’t make any sense. The troll doesn’t care about logic or truth. He just wants someone here to push back. You addressed your comment DIRECTLY to the troll, which means the troll can address one back directly to you.
The next comment coming back will be another irrational, unsupportable and therefore unrefutable position. You will push back, enraged that the troll will not respect your facts.
You 2 will end up spinning forever. In effect, the troll is getting you to do exactly what he wants. He has taken over the thread and you have helped him do it. Still feel so smart?
Go back over the last 10 or so comments on this thread. Notice anything, like an influx of trolls, all spouting nonsense? Gonna fight them all, Nat?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:28 pmAll you libs here are so F-ing dumb. You give the trolls what they want every time. You guys deserve to lose, and you are.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmNobody’s rounding up democrats. They all remain free, as this is a free country. You’re a little too paranoid, even for TP’s likes.
Like we would go freely if you guys even attempted to do something like that.
And no, Hillary has nothing new to offer. Only in comparison to the other lame demo candidates, she does.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
I think she does. We can all watch conservatives go insane when she becomes president.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmMy folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards. I’m with the troops in spirit though.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
What a cop out.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmRomney’s father said that when you visit Vietnam the military brainwashes you. That statement played a major role in finishing Romney seniors’ presidential campaign. Its deja vu all over again in Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmROS.
Perhaps letting them win is endlessly posting screaming rants at anyone who dares to engage them.
You’re tired of them. Ok. What do you want? A neo-nazi blog like Huffpost where only a few comments ever get through or past the censors?
You get up in the morning and only want to hear people who say the exact same things you say? This is TP man. The TP= Troll Pit.
I love ya bud but if you want a liberal utiopia then perhaps this isn’t the blog for you.
In here we hunt troll.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWe can all watch conservatives go insane when she becomes president.
Ha! They’re stark raving lunatics already. It must really suck to watch your Fearless F*ck-up-in-Chief destroying the GOP for the forseeable future. No wonder they’re spit-flecked and incoherent with rage.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAnd whats more distracting? A few self exposing posts by some right wing inbreds that make them look completely idiotic to the casual observers?
Or a left wing blogger, screaming at the top of his lungs calling everyone stupid for taking them on.
You’re tired, I understand that. But the battles here and calling for mommy and daddy to come in and chaparone isn’t going to win it.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmOKAY!!!
HERE IS ANOTHER PARANOID LIBTROLL!!!
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
I think you’re the one paranoid. Don’t look under your bed, Al Qaeda is under there.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI’ve got news for you ROS.
I come here BECAUSE of the trolls.
If there were no trolls in here, I’d be elsewhere.
As I imagine many of us would be.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmyou love to fight in the whole Middle East as you suggested, then what are you doing sitting in front of your computer…
Whay hasn’t CT enlisted?
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Then why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhay hasn’t CT enlisted?
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Actually someone must have asked and someone must have told.
:D
August 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmThen why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Because she’s your opponent, in your dreams.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThen why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Conservatives are always attacking her but yet they want her to be the nominee. I think it has to do with schizophrenia.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
What a lame repeat of lefty talking-points. No wonder lefties are on a path of self-destruction. There’s no destructive work for conservatives to do, as you fear. You lefties have got a grip on things.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
ok. Thank you, Farty Pee.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThe left can’t handle the truth.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Grasping at straws again, Frank? Perhaps you should Greenwald’s interview of O’Hanlon and learn how thoroughly O’Hanlon’s trip to Iraq was staged by military propagandists. Read it in O’Hanlon’s own words. Then come back here and make your smart remarks.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Hey, Sonny! You’re part of the new, refreshing conservative vibe here at TP!.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmWhat a lame repeat of lefty talking-points. No wonder lefties are on a path of self-destruction. There’s no destructive work for conservatives to do, as you fear. You lefties have got a grip on things.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
I was just about to write this regarding cons.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
What a lame repeat of lefty talking-points… by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
You indicated the post where I said you aren’t serving in the military because of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. In your fevered mind, that’s a lefty talking point? Boy, you are one dumb — and pathologically narcissistic — a-hole.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pmWhat the influx of conservatives is doing is bringing out the flaming liberals. The sensible ones are leaving the site, leaving the ones abusing meth to stay and take on the “trolls.â€
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
So TP has now been reduced to Meth heads vs. Coke heads.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmok. Thank you, Farty Pee.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
You’re welcome CunT.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI was wondering: did any other President lose two wars? Maybe there’s a US history buffs here who can answer that qustion.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHillary Clinton will be the Right Wing most NIGHTMARE !!! She will crash your
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmcandidates !!! !!! !!!
Liberals can’t distinguish friend from foe!
Comment by Frank Rizzo, Sr. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
One of your alter egos already said this.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIgnoring this particular psychotic troll won’t make it go away. But engaging it won’t make it go away either. The real choice is between ignoring AND tolerating it, or leaving this site. I can only suppose things wouldn’t have gotten this out of control during the work week. I hope that TP staff put their heads together tomorrow and try to figure out a way to purge this vermin from the site.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmWe’re the good guys remember???
It doesn’t matter what we do because we’re the good guys.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
One who decides to turn back your apparent lefty projection is somehow dumb? And look at this lefty, adhering to the lefty doctrine of constant personal attacks.
Explain. Show your work.
Thanks, Uhthur. I get the feeling that TP wants nothing more to do with you.
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by Sonny American — August 12, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
No worries. The lefty population is dwindling…and we’re not even asking them to leave!
August 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pmProject much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Stop acting like a four year old.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThis troll is so bad I wonder if it has actually driven away other trolls. It has effectively vandalized the site for everyone, whatever their purpose in coming here. I’m not seeing much other troll action this weekend. Virtually all of it is just this one freak.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI know. We are doing our best to deal with this troll named Bartlepee. He’ll be gone by the end of the week, Verbalc*nt.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Bartlepee and Verbalc*nt? Grow up, man.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmWe are doing our best to deal with this troll named Bartlepee. He’ll be gone by the end of the week, Verbalc*nt.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Really?
I can’t wait.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmMy folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards. I’m with the troops in spirit though. — Comment by CT
Priceless.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmVirtually all of it is just this one freak.
Definitely.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by VerbalKint — August 12, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
The “State of TP” addresses presented by you lefties is continuously lame, always has been from the start. One rehashed : ( sad :( speech after another.
Who cares, professional victims.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
“Priceless,” huh?
Try “name-jacked.”
August 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmExactly right, as more Americans wake up, they realize that Liberalism is self-defeating.
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Americans have woken up in the past couple of years and they have decided that conservatism is self-defeating.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmGee - what a surprise. Ther is nothing these bastards won’t do to try and rewrite the truth to suit their own greedy desires. I’m equally disgusted with the dems because they have no backbone and no balls to fight this. Sad day.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThe “State of Blowhardism†addresses presented by you wingnut trolls is as incoherent and spit-flecked as ever.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI know, it’s hard to tell if they are two separate people or if it is just one libtroll changing names!!!
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
You’re confused. I was telling one of your guys to grow up.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
No, they’ve just decided that there’s stress with this war, as there is with any other meaningful war.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmAmericans have woken up in the past couple of years and they have decided that conservatism is self-defeating.
It’s worth noting that American conservatism self-destructed: they had the White House, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court and, because they had obsolutely no clue what to do with power, pissed it away and, now that their proven track record is one of 100% failure, for the GOP, for the forseeable future.
The Republicans I know are freakin’ furious at G W Bush. They loathe him, with a passion.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmMitt Romney is going to be the next president of the united states and I can’t wait to watch you lefties blow up over it!
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Wait till you righties hear him tell you Jesus is coming to Salt Lake, and you’re all going to be serving the mormon Gods in Utah.
That should go over well.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pmNext? Ok well wait till his Bishop tells him to stop killing Arabs.
That ought to go over well.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pm-testing-
August 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmArthur, wake up. The dems contol fifty votes. Not enough. When the pukes steal your last invested dollar, you will be born again.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDon’t be sooo nice!
I’m shocked …. SHOCKED …. that O’Hanlon could be co-opted by the military establishment.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWhy did thousands fewer people take part in the GOP Idaho straw vote? Why is “none of the Above” the leading GOP candidate for 2008?
Because most GOP voters dislike their own cadidates. That’s why many of them will vote Dem in ‘08.
Thanks to the Republic Party’s own record of 100% failure, they’re in the doghouse for at least a decade. The Republics I know despise their President for lying to them, to trick them into supporting his endless, insanely expensive war.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pm“Ronjazz and all the libtrolls here. They aren’t here for a discussion. They are here to flame. All the sensible liberals have left for good.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:09 pm”
The sensible liberals are still here. We’re waiting for conservatives with common sense to debate with.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmRepublicans are looking for a man of faith. It doesn’t matter the religion.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
The religious right is not going to vote for a Mormon.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmMitt Romney is going to carry the women’s vote over Hillary.
Fact: no anti-choice cadidate will ever carry the women’s vote.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe religious right is not going to vote for a Mormon.
Comment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
shhhhhh
August 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIf it weren’t for Foley, the GOP would have retained control of congress in 06. The media was nothing but Foley for the past month of the election, swinging it to the Dems.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
I think you meant to say “If it weren’t for Bush and the republicans in Congress, the republicans would have retained control of congress in 06.”
August 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmThey alredy did yesterday. He got a higher percentage of the vote than Bush did in 1999.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Not good with math either huh? Seems to run in your party.
Mitt is LOSING in national polls. You are talking about IOWA.
Mitt can be the President of Iowa.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAs long as George Bush’s ratings remain in the toilet — that is, until he sways from his insanely narcissistic, boy-in-a-bubble Fantasyland about Iraq — the Republic Party is doomed, by it’s own failures.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pmYou’re kidding right? Ronjazz is sensible?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Who is Ronjazz? If he’s not conservative, he is at least slightly sensible.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:19 pmBush carried the married women vote in 04.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
How do you know this? All of the exit poll numbers were screwed up.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pmYet Republicans did vote for him, over some very, very christian candidates Huckabee and Brownback yesterday.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Yea. Like George Will pointed out on Meet the Press this morning, the ones he bussed in.
Huckabee on the other hand actually got more votes if you count from the field. Huckabee bussed no one in and still swayed the crowd.
Fortunatly enough inbred goosesteppers like you won’t vote for him. He’s to likable.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmI guess you didn’t realize that Bush is not on the ballot in 08.
That won’t help them. Try as they might to distance themselves, they won’t be able to scrub out the Stain of Bush.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmLink or you are lying.
Your choice.
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Are you dense? The exit polls said Kerry won and yet Bush is in the White House.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWhy are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
This IS an open forum. If you want a one-on-one with Nat, find another venue.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmBussed in or not, they are still Republicans and they still voted for Romney, despite Nat’s claim that they would never vote for a Mormon.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Thats right Righty! :D
Mitt’s your man.
I am advising you to toss all your support behind Mitt Romney for the 2008 Presidential election.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWhy are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I’m not speaking for anyone but myself.
Just because you address something to one person doesn’t mean others aren’t going to also respond.
If you don’t like it then call him on the phone.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmBussed in or not, they are still Republicans and they still voted for Romney, despite Nat’s claim that they would never vote for a Mormon.
Why are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Did you ask me something?
And Romney got elected in a liberal state.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI really think Mitts the best candidate for you guys to get behind. Please get behind Mitt Romney now. Send him your money. He won’t waste it.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI already said I was supporting him.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Good.
Just checkin.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI imagine lots of people have seen this but……….
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com/cheney.htm
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmBe sure to tell your friends too.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmNat made the insensible claim. He should be backing it up.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
The religious right is not going to vote for him.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pmEach candidate is running on their own merits.
Ha ha. Voters will be rejecting the Republic Party because of the Stain of Bush for years and years. Most Republics I meet are furious with Bush; they hate him with a vehemence that would shock some of the lefties here at TP. Oh, and have you seen data on party affiliation among younger voters? That’s gonna sting for long time, too.
The Republic Party had it all, and blew it… big time. Good riddance.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pmhttp://www.massachusettsobserver.com/cheney.htm
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmMarried women voted for President Bush by an 11-point margin (55 percent to 44 percent)… This was true of all age groups…â€
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050123_vindicated.htm
Yet Bush is pro-life.
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Thoughts, Nat?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
What point are you trying to make?
And as I said earlier the exit polls were screw up and all of the polling agencies adjusted their numbers to reflect Bush winning and Kerry losing.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmGood. Then I will pray for you to get Mitt Romney as your RNC candidate.
I will pray with all my heart, might, mind and strength.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pm:|
If you think that would help.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pmSOURCE PLEASE……..
Or you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Idiot, it’s an opinion.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Right-wing trolls work to form labor union”
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 08/ right-wing-trolls-work-to-form-labor.html
August 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBush will only be a bit player. His Vice President is not running. Each candidate will be running on their own merits.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Bush had enablers so the Democrats just have to tie Bush to the republicans and vice versa.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIRRATIONAL, IRRELEVANT!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
What?
I was just trying to help.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
I never said that.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThose the moonbats are cheering for.
WUERDIYA, IRAQ – A key attribute of the enemy in Iraq for the past few years has been its unwillingness to directly engage coalition soldiers in armed combat. Whether this is a result of the enemy’s good sense or its cowardice (or, likely, both), insurgents and sectarians from al Qaeda in Iraq to the Jaisch al Mahdi have almost entirely avoided direct confrontation with the coalition, instead choosing to target soldiers with IEDs and snipers, while saving their more aggressive attacks for softer targets like the Iraqi National Police (NP) and surrounding civilian populations.
“It’s very clear that they want nothing to do with us directly,†said Captain Rich Thompson, a former enlisted Ranger and currently the commander of Baker Company, 1-15 Infantry (from the 3rd Infantry Division). Lieutenant Colonel Jack Marr, the 1-15 Battalion Commander, echoed the sentiment, observing that “They will go out of their way to avoid targeting us with their big operations, and to focus them on the NPs or another target they perceive to be weaker.â€
As a case in point, Captain Thompson told of a recent attack on a National Police checkpoint. With one of his platoons securing the checkpoint on the western side – the side where the insurgents were originally coming from – the attackers had purposely abandoned their original line of approach, looped all the way around the formation, and attacked the NPs from the east – then abandoned their assault when the American platoon came to the Iraqis’ aid.
The soft-target strategy (a favorite of terrorists worldwide) was again demonstrated this week in Wuerdiya, a small community on the road from Baghdad to Salman Pak (known to the troops as “Route Wildâ€), when insurgents fired on, destroyed, and set fire to the houses there, displacing the people, and leaving the village in ruins.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmJohn Kerry lost normally democratic Women voters, compared to Gore in 2000, because of the Beslan school massacre by chechen terrorists in Russia that occured right before the election. Fear makes you stupid.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
And Kerry carried the women’s vote according to the tinkered with exit polls.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI will be praying that the DNC nominates Hillary Clinton. But I don’t think I have to. She has a commanding lead.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Well your prayer might be answered.
And if my prayers answered, that means Mitt “Varmint Slayer” Romney with is “can-choke” debating style will be debating Hilary Clinton.
:|
They could put that one on Pay-Per-View.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAnn Coulter columns, yawn…….What is that 50 year old shrew up to these days? Promoting family values from the sidelines?
-GSD
August 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
No I didn’t. I said “no anti-choice cadidate will ever carry the women’s vote.”
In 2004, Bush got 48% of the women’s vote, Kerry got 51%.
So what’s your point? Other than the one on your dunce cap.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThose the moonbats are cheering for.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
No one is cheering for that. We want the troops out of that situation and back home.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:49 pmComment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
These lefties would like their stupidity insured for the amount of destruction it is bound to continue causing.
They’re so tired of paying out of pocket. Aligning with Alkaida has it’s costs, fo sho.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmRomney’s speech at the straw poll referred to Iowa’s beautifull and abundant fields of Corn and Green Beans. He quickly corrected that to SOY beans. Iowa produces TWO crops, and he got one of them wrong. After spending months talking to Iowans
August 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmPlease note that the average service person has had less time off then G W Bush while the situation in Afghanistan has gone from bad to worse as the inane diversion of Irag has eroded our military readyness.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmcut and run
Sooooo everytime over the past 200+ years that Americans retreated from Washington to Iraq it was cut and run? So we must always fight like the redcoats 200 years ago? Straight ahead straight ahead into the fire… you are all cannon fodder get it? Straight ahead no thinking to tactics to intelligence just march straight into the fire until we all die or they do….
Will the people that respect human frontal lobes please take over this government…
August 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmO’Hanlon and Pollack are not war critics they are war mongers. If they think the failed surge is going well they should enlist.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmIrag S/B Iraq, sorry.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmIf the Dems were strong on national defense and had the perception that they would handle terrorism well, that wouldn’t have happened.
It was a combination of fear mongering by the republicans and cowardice by some Americans.
Wanting to cut and run from the Iraq war on terror will not help their image any, and they will probably be changing their position after Gen. Petraious’ progress report in September.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
There’s a perception in America that the Iraqis should be making the decisions in Iraq and we should start pulling back. I don’t think a good report or a bad report will change that perception.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmRomney’s speech at the straw poll referred to Iowa’s beautifull and abundant fields of Corn and Green Beans. He quickly corrected that to SOY beans. Iowa produces TWO crops, and he got one of them wrong. After spending months talking to Iowans
Comment by Badge
Ol’ Mitt is about as “down home” as Dubya is. The only difference between those two elitists is that Romney actually is smarter and doesn’t cut brush in Crawford… but both are Chickenhawks to the nth degree!
August 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThe second most senior Democrat in the Senate, Senator Richard Durbin(a.k.a. Dick Turban, Nazi hunter), congratulated the U.S. troops serving in Iraq on Wednesday, which is nothing new even for those opposed to the war. But what he added to his congratulatory statement had to be read twice to be believed: He said that the activity of the forces on the ground “is showing results.” Durbin, in whose party some hoped to force the president to alter his policy in Iraq, is willing to publicly admit that something has improved in the American performance there.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmTheir ring-wing neo-con failed ideology of spreading “democracy” in Iraq by unilateral force is a failure. So is the surge. Bush has failed in Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pmAs women get married, they tend to vote more Republican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
I think a lot of women tend to vote the way their spouse’s vote. It has very little to do with them changing positions on issues.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmComment by Probus — August 12, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
No, sir. Lefties are the failure. Lefties are the logistical supplier of failure, yet they blame those who attempt to stop the bleeding.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmIraqi constitution means nothing when you have an all out civil war killing more than 100 Americans and countless Iraqis every month. The surge has failed. Maliki made no political progress. Bring the troops home.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAre you saying she clubed Obama? Or has Obama been winning those debates?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Democrats don’t club each other but we’ll club republicans.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAnd another thing. O’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq. Maybe O’Hanlon should depend on Al Qaeda stringers for his information the way Ware does.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThe democrats are not going to end the war. They are lying. A few would… but they will not be accepted by the DNC.
2000 strike one
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pm2004 strike two
2006 strike three
Well, 12 million Iraqis did vote and establish their own constitution.
Well, I guess that settles it then!
Right-wingers can’t win wars. They don’t have what it takes: regular contact with reality. They live in a Fantasyland.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pmBush has failed in Iraq. He is the worst commander in chief. He is the reason we have lost in Iraq. Iraq is his Vietnam.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pmI don’t think any of the top contenders served in the military on either side.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero
And that is especially true of the major candidate on teh republic side, who has 5 sons of military age, but of course they can’t be bothered to serve, even though their pappy is a HUGE hawk. That is an issue in my book. Guess his elitiest sons are just like ol’ Dad, a clucker.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmFool me once… shame on you… fool me twice … shame on me… its been three times now for me… shame on the democrats… shame on me… and shame on America… the only non-liar I see (that I dont think would bite off everyones head ie Mike Gravel) is Ron Paul.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmSure it does. Their priorities change as they start a family. Single women tend to vote Democrat, while married women tend to vote Repbublican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
No. I think they vote the way their husbands vote. A lot of single women have families too.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmShould any Democrat become President in 2008, I hope the polling system of the New York Times can accomodate negative integers.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmWORD PRESS SUCKS … it works less than 50% of the time. TP GET A PROFESSIONAL HOSTING PACKAGE …
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmBush has underestimated the insurgency in Iraq. He should acknowledge the civil war and get out. He can’t win this war. His policy in Iraq is flawed.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmHe is a conservative no doubt. But he strongly believes in LIMITS on his powers as president… not forcing his religious biased views on the rest of us.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmHe wants to reduce government corruption by reducing its power by cutting its powers and programs…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHe said that the activity of the forces on the ground “is showing results.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
God FRrank, with 30.000 additional US troops, I should hope so. Two problems remain:
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pm1. Is this sustainable?? Remember how we defeated the TAliban a couple years ago..? Well they’re back. Guerilla’s lay low, till the time of Their choosing.
2. None of this matters without Political Progress by the Iraqi Govt. which is on vacation after the Sunni’s walked out.
General Petraeus has received his supply of Pig Lipstick.
O’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq. Maybe O’Hanlon should depend on Al Qaeda stringers for his information the way Ware does.
Comment by Frank J
Where TF did that come from??? Ware has been there almost the entire time from the beginning… AND he doesn’t stay in the Green Weenie Zone, either.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHow much do Republicans love lies? So much that they’re fighting eachother in public for bragging rights over who put them in George Bush’s mouth.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmWhy did George Bush invade Iraq? WMDs were a sideshow: he did because his poll numbers needed a boost.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Old people tend to have odd habits.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmClaiming that the “surge” worked is rediculous… it is like claiming that a failing company is all better now just because their stock price goes up for a couple days… get real. oops I forgot we are talking about anti-reality neocons here…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmO’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq
Couldn’t. Be. More. Wrong.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmSure it does. Their priorities change as they start a family. Single women tend to vote Democrat, while married women tend to vote Repbublican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Fact-free, as all Republicans are. That’s BS.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmBoy, did I pick a bad day to visit the comments of TP…did the trolls knock each other up and start breeding or what?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmmr p and his multiple personalities is off his meds again, and back on the meth. BEWARE the Hopped up troll again. He can be funny but also leaves big piles of fecal matter all over so just ignore and step over and we can have a dialogue, OK?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmIts time for prison for some of these people… if it was YOU or ME about something less than national security and war we would be in prison…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd 0o&mode=related&search=
August 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmO’Hanlon admitted that he was used by the madministration fpr propaganda purposes, as were the Iraqi people during their “election”, as are the wingnuts that still fellate the worst president in US history, Bush. All used and made fools of by a groujp of trasonous war profiteers. obviously, the surge isn’t working in the least, or troops would be scheduled for release, instead of returning for the 5th tour. it’s nothing but slavery and mass murder. Anyone who believes anything else still believes in the tooth fairy.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmTheir words … do your eyes and ears work?
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
George W. Bush “invaded” Iraq because he is a statesman of our country. He went in knowing he’d be taking on lots of pressure. In the end, however, he knows that the ultimately positive result will vindicate him. Being a typical lefty, however, you assume that America is destined to lose.
The President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis. We made our noble intent clear to them. The U.S. is providing freedom and protection to those who want it. We deposed of their vicious leader. The rest of them –including you lefties — are bound to be compressed into the thin pages of future history pages as pessimist-supremos.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmYou are raising the bar too high for Hillary. All Mitt has to do now is go out there and put a few senteneces together and the media will say, hey he didn’t look so bad compared to this rabid dog Clinton.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Your admission that the press is in the pocket of the Republicans will not save Mitt from the destruction of his campaign he himself is accomplishing on a daily basis, with the help of his 5 sissyboy sons. Mitt won’t make it to any debates; even idiot republicans arent going to buy his crap, except for teh rightards that show up here with no facts and no brains.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGuaranteed by whom?
Ware hasn’t been outside the wire since he got there. He writes these New Republic type stories fed to him by Al Qaeda. O’Hanlon has a much more accurate account of what is happening in Iraq.
The lefties change the bar. First it didn’t matter about the political success in Iraq, elections, constitutions, etc. ..things were bad on the battlefield. Now we win on the battlefield and they say the political situation is bad. They truly want the Islamists to win and badly because they suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmFact-free, as all Republicans are
Benjamin “Righty†Ruggiero already made a gigantic dummy of himself, once. Why pay attention to anything that genius says?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmRomney won’t be the nominee.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThe President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis.
Why not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIf you have a brain and dont see … you are a deceiver.. and a heartless fool that has no respect for what it means to dedicate your life to the Constitution as our soldiers have.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmTheir words … do your eyes and ears work?
Bush invaded iraq because he’s a pants-wsetting pussy and a deserter. he chose the weakest country he could find that had oil to steal, becaus he and his handlers are cowards and traitors. Freeing people by killing their mothers and children in shock and awe tactics is what fascist cowards do, not American patriots. You have proven your sociopathic leaning many times, so you are the problem, not the Iraqis. If the USA were ever invaded, you would hide or surrender immediately, while i would fight to the death. That’s the difference between the right and the left. the right hires the poor to do it’s killing; the left always has to save the day when the right screws up. Dont forget who sided with Hitler in the 30s: the right, the conservatives, and the Bush family. Your heroes. we know where traitors like you stand, you make it clear with your ignorant hatred every day. You’re finished, by the way. You won’t see republican dominance of the USA in your lifetime again.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pm#314 Why not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
Comment by Arthur C.
Now THAT is a rhetorical question if I ever saw one!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhy not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Good point, Arthur C.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe lefties change the bar. First it didn’t matter about the political success in Iraq, elections, constitutions, etc
Straw man. Political success, elections, constitutions, always mattered, to everybody.
What we weren’t was purple-thumb Pollyannas who thought an election would solve everything.
This nightmare was 100% predictable.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmJon Stewart is more of a journalist than either New Republic or Dan Rather.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThe President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmCheney did in the early 90s
“The President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis. We made our noble intent clear to them.”
Bush invaded their country. How did he expect them to act?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmPerhaps you can show me a Democrat who said any of those political achievements mattered.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pmI agree.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmRon Paul?…LOL
August 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmNorth America, the greatest continental section of the planet and of the universe, is destined to win. May the defeatist lefties stand down and quit wasting their de