O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’
O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’
In their now infamous New York Times op-ed, Brookings analysts Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack wrote that “[w]e are finally getting somewhere” in Iraq, based on their eight day trip to the war-torn country.
In the days following the op-ed, the media gushed over the analyst’s opinions, uncritically referring to them as “vocal war critics,” despite their long history of support for the war.
But in a recent interview, Glenn Greenwald elicits the inner details of the trip from O’Hanlon, confirming “rather conclusively what a fraud this Op-Ed was, and even more so, the deceitfulness of the intense news coverage it generated.” Some key points from the interview:
O’Hanlon admits he is a war supporter: “As you rightly reported,” O’Hanlon told Greenwald, “I was not a critic of this war. In the final analysis, I was a supporter.”
A rushed, cherry-picked trip: O’Hanlon admitted that they spent approximately “between 2-4 hours” in every area they visited outside Baghdad, “and much of that was taken up meeting U.S. military commanders, not inspecting the proverbial ‘conditions on the ground.’” “They spent every night ensconced in the Green Zone in Baghdad,” adds Greenwald.
Pentagon “choreographed” the trip: In the op-ed, the analysts boast, “We just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel.” But O’Hanlon admitted: “The predominant majority were people who we came into contact with through the itinerary the D.O.D. developed. … For the most part, the conversations were ones arranged by D.O.D”
Unrepresentative view of Iraq: “If someone wanted to argue that we were not getting a representative view of Iraqis because the ones we spoke with were provided by the military, I would agree that this would be a genuine concern,” said O’Hanlon. “By no means did all of the Iraqis agree with the view of progress in Iraq.”
As Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) told Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) last month, the trips to Iraq organized by the U.S. government are aptly characterized as “the dog and pony show” for the superficial, dressed-up view they provide. O’Hanlon and Pollack’s op-ed, however, made no mention of the extent of the Pentagon’s involvement. Nor did O’Hanlon make much mention of it to other media outlets, observes Greenwald.
With the superficiality of their trip revealed, O’Hanlon and Pollack’s op-ed can hardly be considered the “climate-changing” salvo that the right wing would like it to be.
Read the full interview HERE.
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Fatigue cripples US army in Iraq
Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is struggling to cope with the crisis
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2147052,00.html
August 12th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAnd it is not only the soldiers that are worn out. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have led to the destruction, or wearing out, of 40 per cent of the US army’s equipment, totalling at a recent count $212bn (£105bn).
August 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm‘War tsar’ calls for return of the draft to take the strain
America’s ‘war tsar’ has called for the nation’s political leaders to consider bringing back the draft to help a military exhausted by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThey should be apologizing to both the dogs and the ponies.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat kind of schmuck thinks a couple of hours at each choreographed site is going to give them any kind of a picture of what’s going on.
Not journalism, just the most bleatant (sic) propagandizing!
The US soldiers are on their 5th tours while the Iraqi government is on vacation because it’s too hot to work in the summer. The only way to protect these soldiers from the fatigue that puts them in increased danger is to reinstitute the draft since new enlistees are way down. The soldiers who keep reenlisting are doing so out of loyalty to their brothers in arms. This is a cycle of desperation that needs to be interrupted.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmDemocrats Say Leaving Iraq May Take Years
John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, would keep troops in the region to intervene in an Iraqi genocide and be prepared for military action if violence spills into other countries. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would leave residual forces to fight terrorism and to stabilize the Kurdish region in the north. And Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.
These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief. Antiwar advocates have raised little challenge to such positions by Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/us/politics/12dems.html?ex=1344571200&en=ad4324c44c78bf95&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
August 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmUS Prepares to Plug Hole Left by Brits With Thousands More GIs to Iraq
UK Army Says Pullout Delay Will Increase Deaths
http://www.antiwar.com/
August 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe left can’t handle the truth.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIran, Iraq sign oil pipeline deal
Iran and Iraq signed an agreement to build pipelines for the transfer of Iraqi crude oil and oil products,
Under the deal, Iran would buy 100,000 barrels of Iraqi crude to be refined in the southern port of Bandar Abbas, then sell the product back to Iraq. The accord would have no upper limit on quantities.
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August 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070811/wl_mideast_afp/iraniraqeconomyoil
Sunday: 5 GIs, 57 Iraqis Killed; 37 Iraqis Wounded
August 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm+++
Three US Soldiers, Two Other NATO Solders, Killed in Afghanistan
O’ Hanlon admits he is a war supporter,and not a critic of the war, and that translates to ‘Surge’ supporter, and that’s what his trip was all about- to support the ’surge’.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmAnd that shows that he was not objective,and that was reflected in his article.
After all the whole trip was arranged by the Administration.
The left can’t handle the truth.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
The left can’t handle the level of stupidity spewed form you right wing nuts. We could get more intellectucal discourse volunterring at a preschool and at least accomplish something. If your mission is to show us why people are Republican you have shown us that it is limited intelligence. If your goal is to shut down this site, well others will prosper when this one fails.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSurrender Is As Surrender Does
Surrender enthusiasts may finally be surrendering. Dem candidates say getting out of Iraq may take years:
John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, would keep troops in the region to intervene in an Iraqi genocide and be prepared for military action if violence spills into other countries. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would leave residual forces to fight terrorism and to stabilize the Kurdish region in the north. And Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.
This think piece from the NYT would appear to be part of the growing campaign to get on the right side of this war and support a Democratic congressional surrender in September. They have finally figured out they can’t pull the rug out from under the troops in the field, particularly when they are winning. Now, they need to make it look like it was their idea. They being the candidates, NYT, etc. There isn’t much time:
These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAnd to think, right-wingers still believe the New York Times is a radical liberal paper. That they would allow such blatant nonsense proves they have learned nothing from the fiasco that was Judith Miller and their coverage of the administration’s case for the invasion of Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThese positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict…
“My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.” –March 16, 2003
“I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.” — on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 -D Cheney
YOU MEAN THESE KINDS OF BUMPER-STICKER MESSAGES, FRANK?
— however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief.
“There – it’s – you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. I believe it.” – G Bush
WILL IT BE HARDER OR EASIER THAN THIS, FRANK?
As President of the United States, Dubya has accumulated more vacation credits than any of his recent predecessors. According to Dale McFeatters in a ScrippsNews editorial published last August, Bush “broke Ronald Reagan’s record of 335 days for America’s most vacationed president†on August 19, 2005, “and went on to take the longest presidential vacation in 36 years.†That was over 18% of Bush’s time since taking office (or about nine weeks in his average year) and there has been much vacation time since then for the wartime president. (For reference, the average vacation time in the U.S. is 12 days, Japan, 18; France, 25; Germany, 30.)
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
WILL THE NEXT “COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF TAKE MORE OR LESS VACATION DAYS, FRANK?
August 12th, 2007 at 6:47 pmIF YOU DON NOT LEARN TO FIGHT THE TROLLS CORECTLY, YOU WILL KEEP LOSING TO THEM.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:51 pmMaybe O’Hanlon was at the White House at the Blogger Meeting ???
August 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#25….
Nice attempt to define Liberalism…but unfortunately it did not sell,because it lacks logic . Liberalism is Liberal’s worst enemy !!!…that’s Rush Limbaugh talk..
August 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAs a result, you and only you who bought it.
This think piece from the NYT would appear to be part of the growing campaign to get on the right side of this war and support a Democratic congressional surrender in September.
You don’t agree that we should surrender Iraq to the Iraqis?
They have finally figured out they can’t pull the rug out from under the troops in the field, particularly when they are winning. Now, they need to make it look like it was their idea. They being the candidates, NYT, etc. There isn’t much time:
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
The plan is to redeploy troops outside of the country and if things got way out of hand in Iraq then some troops would be sent back in. Democrats believe the Iraqis should be the ones deciding their country’s future. We shouldn’t even play into the equation.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmYeah Shane,
“This is a cycle of desperation that needs to be interrupted.”
Comment by shane — August 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
End the war. Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzo. Hard to believe that any sane American would suggest a draft to end this “cycle of desparation.”
Along with waging war on Iran as a solution to the cycle, advocating a draft as a solution to a “disaster of choice” deserves ridicule.
Clown posse, save your sorry, oily asses, and GET OUT.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIts great to know that there is plenty of room in hell for these two.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Congrats, Nat… you charged the red flag. You’re giving this troll just what he wants. Nice work. You’re helping hand over control of TP to the trolls.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:18 pmCongrats, Nat… you charged the red flag. You’re giving this troll just what he wants. Nice work. You’re helping hand over control of TP to the trolls.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 12, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
He’s doing a great job by himself.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:21 pmOur forces are not fatigued…
Who are you gonna trust, troops who’ve been there, or some know-nothing wingnut blowhard?
“Troops polled say armed forces stretched too thin overseas”
“WASHINGTON — A solid majority of American soldiers returning from the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan say that U.S. armed forces are stretched too thin, according to a poll released yesterday by a veterans group.”
August 12th, 2007 at 7:22 pmThe new conservative (rational) direction of TP further leads to a newfound promise that the great heritage of our nation will remain intact.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
How so? This will ensure its destruction.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Nobody’s rounding up democrats. They all remain free, as this is a free country. You’re a little too paranoid, even for TP’s likes.
And no, Hillary has nothing new to offer. Only in comparison to the other lame demo candidates, she does.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pm#39…
[ We will force them to submit to our will......
We will make the Iraqi's do what we say,and spread out from there.
Today,Baghdad. Tomorrow the entire Middle East.]
And how are you going to do this …by killing them,so they can do what you want.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnd then fight the entire Middle East.
If you love to fight in the whole Middle East as you suggested, then what are you doing sitting in front of your computer…go and try your beloved wars so people can submit to your will…go and fulfill your favorite war dreams…Go and try it..
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
You’re getting reported and banned.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHe’s doing a great job by himself.
Comment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
If he’s doing such a great job, why are you helping him?
The comment you tried to refute doesn’t make any sense. The troll doesn’t care about logic or truth. He just wants someone here to push back. You addressed your comment DIRECTLY to the troll, which means the troll can address one back directly to you.
The next comment coming back will be another irrational, unsupportable and therefore unrefutable position. You will push back, enraged that the troll will not respect your facts.
You 2 will end up spinning forever. In effect, the troll is getting you to do exactly what he wants. He has taken over the thread and you have helped him do it. Still feel so smart?
Go back over the last 10 or so comments on this thread. Notice anything, like an influx of trolls, all spouting nonsense? Gonna fight them all, Nat?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:28 pmAll you libs here are so F-ing dumb. You give the trolls what they want every time. You guys deserve to lose, and you are.
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmNobody’s rounding up democrats. They all remain free, as this is a free country. You’re a little too paranoid, even for TP’s likes.
Like we would go freely if you guys even attempted to do something like that.
And no, Hillary has nothing new to offer. Only in comparison to the other lame demo candidates, she does.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
I think she does. We can all watch conservatives go insane when she becomes president.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:30 pmMy folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards. I’m with the troops in spirit though.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
What a cop out.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmRomney’s father said that when you visit Vietnam the military brainwashes you. That statement played a major role in finishing Romney seniors’ presidential campaign. Its deja vu all over again in Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pmROS.
Perhaps letting them win is endlessly posting screaming rants at anyone who dares to engage them.
You’re tired of them. Ok. What do you want? A neo-nazi blog like Huffpost where only a few comments ever get through or past the censors?
You get up in the morning and only want to hear people who say the exact same things you say? This is TP man. The TP= Troll Pit.
I love ya bud but if you want a liberal utiopia then perhaps this isn’t the blog for you.
In here we hunt troll.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWe can all watch conservatives go insane when she becomes president.
Ha! They’re stark raving lunatics already. It must really suck to watch your Fearless F*ck-up-in-Chief destroying the GOP for the forseeable future. No wonder they’re spit-flecked and incoherent with rage.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAnd whats more distracting? A few self exposing posts by some right wing inbreds that make them look completely idiotic to the casual observers?
Or a left wing blogger, screaming at the top of his lungs calling everyone stupid for taking them on.
You’re tired, I understand that. But the battles here and calling for mommy and daddy to come in and chaparone isn’t going to win it.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmOKAY!!!
HERE IS ANOTHER PARANOID LIBTROLL!!!
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
I think you’re the one paranoid. Don’t look under your bed, Al Qaeda is under there.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI’ve got news for you ROS.
I come here BECAUSE of the trolls.
If there were no trolls in here, I’d be elsewhere.
As I imagine many of us would be.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:36 pmyou love to fight in the whole Middle East as you suggested, then what are you doing sitting in front of your computer…
Whay hasn’t CT enlisted?
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Then why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhay hasn’t CT enlisted?
Don’t ask, don’t tell.
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Actually someone must have asked and someone must have told.
:D
August 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmThen why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Because she’s your opponent, in your dreams.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThen why do conservatives regularly claim her to be the dream opponent?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Conservatives are always attacking her but yet they want her to be the nominee. I think it has to do with schizophrenia.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
What a lame repeat of lefty talking-points. No wonder lefties are on a path of self-destruction. There’s no destructive work for conservatives to do, as you fear. You lefties have got a grip on things.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
ok. Thank you, Farty Pee.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThe left can’t handle the truth.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
Grasping at straws again, Frank? Perhaps you should Greenwald’s interview of O’Hanlon and learn how thoroughly O’Hanlon’s trip to Iraq was staged by military propagandists. Read it in O’Hanlon’s own words. Then come back here and make your smart remarks.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Hey, Sonny! You’re part of the new, refreshing conservative vibe here at TP!.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmWhat a lame repeat of lefty talking-points. No wonder lefties are on a path of self-destruction. There’s no destructive work for conservatives to do, as you fear. You lefties have got a grip on things.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
I was just about to write this regarding cons.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:45 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
What a lame repeat of lefty talking-points… by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
You indicated the post where I said you aren’t serving in the military because of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. In your fevered mind, that’s a lefty talking point? Boy, you are one dumb — and pathologically narcissistic — a-hole.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:46 pmWhat the influx of conservatives is doing is bringing out the flaming liberals. The sensible ones are leaving the site, leaving the ones abusing meth to stay and take on the “trolls.â€
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
So TP has now been reduced to Meth heads vs. Coke heads.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmok. Thank you, Farty Pee.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
You’re welcome CunT.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI was wondering: did any other President lose two wars? Maybe there’s a US history buffs here who can answer that qustion.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHillary Clinton will be the Right Wing most NIGHTMARE !!! She will crash your
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmcandidates !!! !!! !!!
Liberals can’t distinguish friend from foe!
Comment by Frank Rizzo, Sr. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
One of your alter egos already said this.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIgnoring this particular psychotic troll won’t make it go away. But engaging it won’t make it go away either. The real choice is between ignoring AND tolerating it, or leaving this site. I can only suppose things wouldn’t have gotten this out of control during the work week. I hope that TP staff put their heads together tomorrow and try to figure out a way to purge this vermin from the site.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:49 pmWe’re the good guys remember???
It doesn’t matter what we do because we’re the good guys.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
One who decides to turn back your apparent lefty projection is somehow dumb? And look at this lefty, adhering to the lefty doctrine of constant personal attacks.
Explain. Show your work.
Thanks, Uhthur. I get the feeling that TP wants nothing more to do with you.
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by Sonny American — August 12, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
No worries. The lefty population is dwindling…and we’re not even asking them to leave!
August 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pmProject much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Stop acting like a four year old.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThis troll is so bad I wonder if it has actually driven away other trolls. It has effectively vandalized the site for everyone, whatever their purpose in coming here. I’m not seeing much other troll action this weekend. Virtually all of it is just this one freak.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI know. We are doing our best to deal with this troll named Bartlepee. He’ll be gone by the end of the week, Verbalc*nt.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Bartlepee and Verbalc*nt? Grow up, man.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmWe are doing our best to deal with this troll named Bartlepee. He’ll be gone by the end of the week, Verbalc*nt.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Really?
I can’t wait.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmMy folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards. I’m with the troops in spirit though. — Comment by CT
Priceless.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pmVirtually all of it is just this one freak.
Definitely.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by VerbalKint — August 12, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
The “State of TP” addresses presented by you lefties is continuously lame, always has been from the start. One rehashed : ( sad :( speech after another.
Who cares, professional victims.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
“Priceless,” huh?
Try “name-jacked.”
August 12th, 2007 at 7:58 pmExactly right, as more Americans wake up, they realize that Liberalism is self-defeating.
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Americans have woken up in the past couple of years and they have decided that conservatism is self-defeating.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmGee – what a surprise. Ther is nothing these bastards won’t do to try and rewrite the truth to suit their own greedy desires. I’m equally disgusted with the dems because they have no backbone and no balls to fight this. Sad day.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThe “State of Blowhardism†addresses presented by you wingnut trolls is as incoherent and spit-flecked as ever.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI know, it’s hard to tell if they are two separate people or if it is just one libtroll changing names!!!
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
You’re confused. I was telling one of your guys to grow up.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
No, they’ve just decided that there’s stress with this war, as there is with any other meaningful war.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:01 pmAmericans have woken up in the past couple of years and they have decided that conservatism is self-defeating.
It’s worth noting that American conservatism self-destructed: they had the White House, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court and, because they had obsolutely no clue what to do with power, pissed it away and, now that their proven track record is one of 100% failure, for the GOP, for the forseeable future.
The Republicans I know are freakin’ furious at G W Bush. They loathe him, with a passion.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmMitt Romney is going to be the next president of the united states and I can’t wait to watch you lefties blow up over it!
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Wait till you righties hear him tell you Jesus is coming to Salt Lake, and you’re all going to be serving the mormon Gods in Utah.
That should go over well.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:05 pmNext? Ok well wait till his Bishop tells him to stop killing Arabs.
That ought to go over well.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pm-testing-
August 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmArthur, wake up. The dems contol fifty votes. Not enough. When the pukes steal your last invested dollar, you will be born again.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDon’t be sooo nice!
I’m shocked …. SHOCKED …. that O’Hanlon could be co-opted by the military establishment.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWhy did thousands fewer people take part in the GOP Idaho straw vote? Why is “none of the Above” the leading GOP candidate for 2008?
Because most GOP voters dislike their own cadidates. That’s why many of them will vote Dem in ‘08.
Thanks to the Republic Party’s own record of 100% failure, they’re in the doghouse for at least a decade. The Republics I know despise their President for lying to them, to trick them into supporting his endless, insanely expensive war.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pm“Ronjazz and all the libtrolls here. They aren’t here for a discussion. They are here to flame. All the sensible liberals have left for good.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:09 pm”
The sensible liberals are still here. We’re waiting for conservatives with common sense to debate with.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pmRepublicans are looking for a man of faith. It doesn’t matter the religion.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
The religious right is not going to vote for a Mormon.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmMitt Romney is going to carry the women’s vote over Hillary.
Fact: no anti-choice cadidate will ever carry the women’s vote.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe religious right is not going to vote for a Mormon.
Comment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
shhhhhh
August 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIf it weren’t for Foley, the GOP would have retained control of congress in 06. The media was nothing but Foley for the past month of the election, swinging it to the Dems.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
I think you meant to say “If it weren’t for Bush and the republicans in Congress, the republicans would have retained control of congress in 06.”
August 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmThey alredy did yesterday. He got a higher percentage of the vote than Bush did in 1999.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Not good with math either huh? Seems to run in your party.
Mitt is LOSING in national polls. You are talking about IOWA.
Mitt can be the President of Iowa.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAs long as George Bush’s ratings remain in the toilet — that is, until he sways from his insanely narcissistic, boy-in-a-bubble Fantasyland about Iraq — the Republic Party is doomed, by it’s own failures.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:18 pmYou’re kidding right? Ronjazz is sensible?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Who is Ronjazz? If he’s not conservative, he is at least slightly sensible.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:19 pmBush carried the married women vote in 04.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
How do you know this? All of the exit poll numbers were screwed up.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:21 pmYet Republicans did vote for him, over some very, very christian candidates Huckabee and Brownback yesterday.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Yea. Like George Will pointed out on Meet the Press this morning, the ones he bussed in.
Huckabee on the other hand actually got more votes if you count from the field. Huckabee bussed no one in and still swayed the crowd.
Fortunatly enough inbred goosesteppers like you won’t vote for him. He’s to likable.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmI guess you didn’t realize that Bush is not on the ballot in 08.
That won’t help them. Try as they might to distance themselves, they won’t be able to scrub out the Stain of Bush.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmLink or you are lying.
Your choice.
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Are you dense? The exit polls said Kerry won and yet Bush is in the White House.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWhy are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
This IS an open forum. If you want a one-on-one with Nat, find another venue.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmBussed in or not, they are still Republicans and they still voted for Romney, despite Nat’s claim that they would never vote for a Mormon.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Thats right Righty! :D
Mitt’s your man.
I am advising you to toss all your support behind Mitt Romney for the 2008 Presidential election.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:29 pmWhy are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I’m not speaking for anyone but myself.
Just because you address something to one person doesn’t mean others aren’t going to also respond.
If you don’t like it then call him on the phone.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmBussed in or not, they are still Republicans and they still voted for Romney, despite Nat’s claim that they would never vote for a Mormon.
Why are you speaking for Nat anyway? Can’t he speak for himself?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Did you ask me something?
And Romney got elected in a liberal state.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI really think Mitts the best candidate for you guys to get behind. Please get behind Mitt Romney now. Send him your money. He won’t waste it.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI already said I was supporting him.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Good.
Just checkin.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI imagine lots of people have seen this but……….
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com/cheney.htm
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmBe sure to tell your friends too.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmNat made the insensible claim. He should be backing it up.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
The religious right is not going to vote for him.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pmEach candidate is running on their own merits.
Ha ha. Voters will be rejecting the Republic Party because of the Stain of Bush for years and years. Most Republics I meet are furious with Bush; they hate him with a vehemence that would shock some of the lefties here at TP. Oh, and have you seen data on party affiliation among younger voters? That’s gonna sting for long time, too.
The Republic Party had it all, and blew it… big time. Good riddance.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:34 pmhttp://www.massachusettsobserver.com/cheney.htm
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmMarried women voted for President Bush by an 11-point margin (55 percent to 44 percent)… This was true of all age groups…â€
http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050123_vindicated.htm
Yet Bush is pro-life.
————-
Thoughts, Nat?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
What point are you trying to make?
And as I said earlier the exit polls were screw up and all of the polling agencies adjusted their numbers to reflect Bush winning and Kerry losing.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmGood. Then I will pray for you to get Mitt Romney as your RNC candidate.
I will pray with all my heart, might, mind and strength.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pm:|
If you think that would help.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pmSOURCE PLEASE……..
Or you are a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Idiot, it’s an opinion.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Right-wing trolls work to form labor union”
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/08/right-wing-trolls-work-to-form-labor.html
August 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBush will only be a bit player. His Vice President is not running. Each candidate will be running on their own merits.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Bush had enablers so the Democrats just have to tie Bush to the republicans and vice versa.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:42 pmIRRATIONAL, IRRELEVANT!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
What?
I was just trying to help.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
I never said that.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThose the moonbats are cheering for.
WUERDIYA, IRAQ – A key attribute of the enemy in Iraq for the past few years has been its unwillingness to directly engage coalition soldiers in armed combat. Whether this is a result of the enemy’s good sense or its cowardice (or, likely, both), insurgents and sectarians from al Qaeda in Iraq to the Jaisch al Mahdi have almost entirely avoided direct confrontation with the coalition, instead choosing to target soldiers with IEDs and snipers, while saving their more aggressive attacks for softer targets like the Iraqi National Police (NP) and surrounding civilian populations.
“It’s very clear that they want nothing to do with us directly,†said Captain Rich Thompson, a former enlisted Ranger and currently the commander of Baker Company, 1-15 Infantry (from the 3rd Infantry Division). Lieutenant Colonel Jack Marr, the 1-15 Battalion Commander, echoed the sentiment, observing that “They will go out of their way to avoid targeting us with their big operations, and to focus them on the NPs or another target they perceive to be weaker.â€
As a case in point, Captain Thompson told of a recent attack on a National Police checkpoint. With one of his platoons securing the checkpoint on the western side – the side where the insurgents were originally coming from – the attackers had purposely abandoned their original line of approach, looped all the way around the formation, and attacked the NPs from the east – then abandoned their assault when the American platoon came to the Iraqis’ aid.
The soft-target strategy (a favorite of terrorists worldwide) was again demonstrated this week in Wuerdiya, a small community on the road from Baghdad to Salman Pak (known to the troops as “Route Wildâ€), when insurgents fired on, destroyed, and set fire to the houses there, displacing the people, and leaving the village in ruins.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmJohn Kerry lost normally democratic Women voters, compared to Gore in 2000, because of the Beslan school massacre by chechen terrorists in Russia that occured right before the election. Fear makes you stupid.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
And Kerry carried the women’s vote according to the tinkered with exit polls.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI will be praying that the DNC nominates Hillary Clinton. But I don’t think I have to. She has a commanding lead.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Well your prayer might be answered.
And if my prayers answered, that means Mitt “Varmint Slayer” Romney with is “can-choke” debating style will be debating Hilary Clinton.
:|
They could put that one on Pay-Per-View.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAnn Coulter columns, yawn…….What is that 50 year old shrew up to these days? Promoting family values from the sidelines?
-GSD
August 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmYou said women would never vote for a pro-life Republican, yet Bush carred the married women’s vote in 04 by 55%.
No I didn’t. I said “no anti-choice cadidate will ever carry the women’s vote.”
In 2004, Bush got 48% of the women’s vote, Kerry got 51%.
So what’s your point? Other than the one on your dunce cap.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThose the moonbats are cheering for.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
No one is cheering for that. We want the troops out of that situation and back home.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:49 pmComment by Sonny BOOB-MAN — August 12, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
These lefties would like their stupidity insured for the amount of destruction it is bound to continue causing.
They’re so tired of paying out of pocket. Aligning with Alkaida has it’s costs, fo sho.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:50 pmRomney’s speech at the straw poll referred to Iowa’s beautifull and abundant fields of Corn and Green Beans. He quickly corrected that to SOY beans. Iowa produces TWO crops, and he got one of them wrong. After spending months talking to Iowans
August 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmPlease note that the average service person has had less time off then G W Bush while the situation in Afghanistan has gone from bad to worse as the inane diversion of Irag has eroded our military readyness.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmcut and run
Sooooo everytime over the past 200+ years that Americans retreated from Washington to Iraq it was cut and run? So we must always fight like the redcoats 200 years ago? Straight ahead straight ahead into the fire… you are all cannon fodder get it? Straight ahead no thinking to tactics to intelligence just march straight into the fire until we all die or they do….
Will the people that respect human frontal lobes please take over this government…
August 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmO’Hanlon and Pollack are not war critics they are war mongers. If they think the failed surge is going well they should enlist.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmIrag S/B Iraq, sorry.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmIf the Dems were strong on national defense and had the perception that they would handle terrorism well, that wouldn’t have happened.
It was a combination of fear mongering by the republicans and cowardice by some Americans.
Wanting to cut and run from the Iraq war on terror will not help their image any, and they will probably be changing their position after Gen. Petraious’ progress report in September.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
There’s a perception in America that the Iraqis should be making the decisions in Iraq and we should start pulling back. I don’t think a good report or a bad report will change that perception.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:55 pmRomney’s speech at the straw poll referred to Iowa’s beautifull and abundant fields of Corn and Green Beans. He quickly corrected that to SOY beans. Iowa produces TWO crops, and he got one of them wrong. After spending months talking to Iowans
Comment by Badge
Ol’ Mitt is about as “down home” as Dubya is. The only difference between those two elitists is that Romney actually is smarter and doesn’t cut brush in Crawford… but both are Chickenhawks to the nth degree!
August 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThe second most senior Democrat in the Senate, Senator Richard Durbin(a.k.a. Dick Turban, Nazi hunter), congratulated the U.S. troops serving in Iraq on Wednesday, which is nothing new even for those opposed to the war. But what he added to his congratulatory statement had to be read twice to be believed: He said that the activity of the forces on the ground “is showing results.” Durbin, in whose party some hoped to force the president to alter his policy in Iraq, is willing to publicly admit that something has improved in the American performance there.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmTheir ring-wing neo-con failed ideology of spreading “democracy” in Iraq by unilateral force is a failure. So is the surge. Bush has failed in Iraq.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:58 pmAs women get married, they tend to vote more Republican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
I think a lot of women tend to vote the way their spouse’s vote. It has very little to do with them changing positions on issues.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmComment by Probus — August 12, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
No, sir. Lefties are the failure. Lefties are the logistical supplier of failure, yet they blame those who attempt to stop the bleeding.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:02 pmIraqi constitution means nothing when you have an all out civil war killing more than 100 Americans and countless Iraqis every month. The surge has failed. Maliki made no political progress. Bring the troops home.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAre you saying she clubed Obama? Or has Obama been winning those debates?
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Democrats don’t club each other but we’ll club republicans.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAnd another thing. O’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq. Maybe O’Hanlon should depend on Al Qaeda stringers for his information the way Ware does.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThe democrats are not going to end the war. They are lying. A few would… but they will not be accepted by the DNC.
2000 strike one
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pm2004 strike two
2006 strike three
Well, 12 million Iraqis did vote and establish their own constitution.
Well, I guess that settles it then!
Right-wingers can’t win wars. They don’t have what it takes: regular contact with reality. They live in a Fantasyland.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pmBush has failed in Iraq. He is the worst commander in chief. He is the reason we have lost in Iraq. Iraq is his Vietnam.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pmI don’t think any of the top contenders served in the military on either side.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero
And that is especially true of the major candidate on teh republic side, who has 5 sons of military age, but of course they can’t be bothered to serve, even though their pappy is a HUGE hawk. That is an issue in my book. Guess his elitiest sons are just like ol’ Dad, a clucker.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmFool me once… shame on you… fool me twice … shame on me… its been three times now for me… shame on the democrats… shame on me… and shame on America… the only non-liar I see (that I dont think would bite off everyones head ie Mike Gravel) is Ron Paul.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:05 pmSure it does. Their priorities change as they start a family. Single women tend to vote Democrat, while married women tend to vote Repbublican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
No. I think they vote the way their husbands vote. A lot of single women have families too.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmShould any Democrat become President in 2008, I hope the polling system of the New York Times can accomodate negative integers.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmWORD PRESS SUCKS … it works less than 50% of the time. TP GET A PROFESSIONAL HOSTING PACKAGE …
August 12th, 2007 at 9:06 pmBush has underestimated the insurgency in Iraq. He should acknowledge the civil war and get out. He can’t win this war. His policy in Iraq is flawed.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmHe is a conservative no doubt. But he strongly believes in LIMITS on his powers as president… not forcing his religious biased views on the rest of us.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pmHe wants to reduce government corruption by reducing its power by cutting its powers and programs…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHe said that the activity of the forces on the ground “is showing results.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
God FRrank, with 30.000 additional US troops, I should hope so. Two problems remain:
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pm1. Is this sustainable?? Remember how we defeated the TAliban a couple years ago..? Well they’re back. Guerilla’s lay low, till the time of Their choosing.
2. None of this matters without Political Progress by the Iraqi Govt. which is on vacation after the Sunni’s walked out.
General Petraeus has received his supply of Pig Lipstick.
O’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq. Maybe O’Hanlon should depend on Al Qaeda stringers for his information the way Ware does.
Comment by Frank J
Where TF did that come from??? Ware has been there almost the entire time from the beginning… AND he doesn’t stay in the Green Weenie Zone, either.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHow much do Republicans love lies? So much that they’re fighting eachother in public for bragging rights over who put them in George Bush’s mouth.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmWhy did George Bush invade Iraq? WMDs were a sideshow: he did because his poll numbers needed a boost.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:09 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Old people tend to have odd habits.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:10 pmClaiming that the “surge” worked is rediculous… it is like claiming that a failing company is all better now just because their stock price goes up for a couple days… get real. oops I forgot we are talking about anti-reality neocons here…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmO’Hanlon saw more of Iraq in a short period of time than Michael Ware of CNN has seen since he has been in Iraq
Couldn’t. Be. More. Wrong.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmSure it does. Their priorities change as they start a family. Single women tend to vote Democrat, while married women tend to vote Repbublican.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Fact-free, as all Republicans are. That’s BS.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pmBoy, did I pick a bad day to visit the comments of TP…did the trolls knock each other up and start breeding or what?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmmr p and his multiple personalities is off his meds again, and back on the meth. BEWARE the Hopped up troll again. He can be funny but also leaves big piles of fecal matter all over so just ignore and step over and we can have a dialogue, OK?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:15 pmIts time for prison for some of these people… if it was YOU or ME about something less than national security and war we would be in prison…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd 0o&mode=related&search=
August 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pmO’Hanlon admitted that he was used by the madministration fpr propaganda purposes, as were the Iraqi people during their “election”, as are the wingnuts that still fellate the worst president in US history, Bush. All used and made fools of by a groujp of trasonous war profiteers. obviously, the surge isn’t working in the least, or troops would be scheduled for release, instead of returning for the 5th tour. it’s nothing but slavery and mass murder. Anyone who believes anything else still believes in the tooth fairy.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmTheir words … do your eyes and ears work?
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
George W. Bush “invaded” Iraq because he is a statesman of our country. He went in knowing he’d be taking on lots of pressure. In the end, however, he knows that the ultimately positive result will vindicate him. Being a typical lefty, however, you assume that America is destined to lose.
The President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis. We made our noble intent clear to them. The U.S. is providing freedom and protection to those who want it. We deposed of their vicious leader. The rest of them –including you lefties — are bound to be compressed into the thin pages of future history pages as pessimist-supremos.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmYou are raising the bar too high for Hillary. All Mitt has to do now is go out there and put a few senteneces together and the media will say, hey he didn’t look so bad compared to this rabid dog Clinton.
Comment by Benjamin “Righty” Ruggiero — August 12, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Your admission that the press is in the pocket of the Republicans will not save Mitt from the destruction of his campaign he himself is accomplishing on a daily basis, with the help of his 5 sissyboy sons. Mitt won’t make it to any debates; even idiot republicans arent going to buy his crap, except for teh rightards that show up here with no facts and no brains.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pmGuaranteed by whom?
Ware hasn’t been outside the wire since he got there. He writes these New Republic type stories fed to him by Al Qaeda. O’Hanlon has a much more accurate account of what is happening in Iraq.
The lefties change the bar. First it didn’t matter about the political success in Iraq, elections, constitutions, etc. ..things were bad on the battlefield. Now we win on the battlefield and they say the political situation is bad. They truly want the Islamists to win and badly because they suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmFact-free, as all Republicans are
Benjamin “Righty†Ruggiero already made a gigantic dummy of himself, once. Why pay attention to anything that genius says?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmRomney won’t be the nominee.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThe President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis.
Why not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIf you have a brain and dont see … you are a deceiver.. and a heartless fool that has no respect for what it means to dedicate your life to the Constitution as our soldiers have.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmTheir words … do your eyes and ears work?
Bush invaded iraq because he’s a pants-wsetting pussy and a deserter. he chose the weakest country he could find that had oil to steal, becaus he and his handlers are cowards and traitors. Freeing people by killing their mothers and children in shock and awe tactics is what fascist cowards do, not American patriots. You have proven your sociopathic leaning many times, so you are the problem, not the Iraqis. If the USA were ever invaded, you would hide or surrender immediately, while i would fight to the death. That’s the difference between the right and the left. the right hires the poor to do it’s killing; the left always has to save the day when the right screws up. Dont forget who sided with Hitler in the 30s: the right, the conservatives, and the Bush family. Your heroes. we know where traitors like you stand, you make it clear with your ignorant hatred every day. You’re finished, by the way. You won’t see republican dominance of the USA in your lifetime again.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pm#314 Why not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
Comment by Arthur C.
Now THAT is a rhetorical question if I ever saw one!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhy not? His father did. Is he stupider than his dad?
Comment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
Good point, Arthur C.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe lefties change the bar. First it didn’t matter about the political success in Iraq, elections, constitutions, etc
Straw man. Political success, elections, constitutions, always mattered, to everybody.
What we weren’t was purple-thumb Pollyannas who thought an election would solve everything.
This nightmare was 100% predictable.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:24 pmJon Stewart is more of a journalist than either New Republic or Dan Rather.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThe President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmCheney did in the early 90s
“The President couldn’t have predicted the bloody, drama-queen reaction by a number of these crazy Iraqis. We made our noble intent clear to them.”
Bush invaded their country. How did he expect them to act?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmPerhaps you can show me a Democrat who said any of those political achievements mattered.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:27 pmI agree.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmRon Paul?…LOL
August 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmNorth America, the greatest continental section of the planet and of the universe, is destined to win. May the defeatist lefties stand down and quit wasting their defeatist time.
GOD. BLESS. AMERICA.
THE GREATEST NATION AND SETTING OF THEM ALL IN OUR GLOBE AND OF OUR GALAXY.
I stand down for the evening. Good evening, Sonny.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmEither Fred or Rudy can beat the corrupt Clinton and the empty suit from Illinois and it won’t be close.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:30 pmIs Hillary or Osama Obama poor?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmBoth of the resident trolls are split-personality liars. I think somebody and the Institute has figured out how to get on line. They’re hiding in the psycho-ward library, missing their meds, thus the insane, senseless blather and foaming at the mouth. p is melting down about every 1/2 hour or so.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:32 pmWhat states that Bush carried in 04 could the corrupt Clinton carry against Thompson or Rudy?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmTP has officially become a tool of the Republican Party. Trolls account for one-third of posts and TP doing nothing. What’s up? TP is on the payroll. Posters are pawns.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:33 pmMay the defeatist lefties stand down and quit wasting their defeatist time.
This from the boy-in-a-bubble war hawk who won’t enlist because “My folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards.”
That tells you all you need to know about CT.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmIt wasn’t the Iraqis country of course. It belonged to a dictator who massacred hundreds of thousands of people and was in pursuit of WMDs..Bush has stated the three reasons we eliminated Saddam and he hasn’t changed any of them.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:35 pmThompson has no chance
Mitt Romney
August 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmComment by Arthur C. — August 12, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Earth to moron: It was a name-jacked post and was reported.
Not good at very much, are you?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmTP is officially a neocon tool. One third of posters are trolls and TP refuses to block trolls. TP is on the RNC payroll. Posters are chicken feed in the GOP chicken farm.
Would you like that with cheese?
August 12th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhat states that Bush carried in 04 could the corrupt Clinton carry against Thompson or Rudy?
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
all of them ouside the neandertal South. Look it up, lazy-ass. You people are really weak tonight. and every night, according to your mothers.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pmIOWA STRAW POLL
Mitt Romney
4,516 / 31.5%
Mike Huckabee
2,587 / 18.1%
Sam Brownback
2,192 / 15.3%
Tom Tancredo
1,961 / 13.7%
Ron Paul
1,305 / 9.1%
Tommy Thompson
1,039 / 7.3%
Fred Thompson
203 / 1.4%
Rudy Giuliani
183 / 1.3%
Duncan Hunter
174 / 1.2%
John McCain
101 / 1.0%
John Cox
August 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pm41 / .1%
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
The priorities and predictions from the early-1990’s Iraq evolved much more in time. By 1998, even Nancy Pelosi was considering the country to be a threat. Your argument is literally invalid.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmAmericans will elect a leader who represents the conservative values of the people.
In a pig’s eye. To Americans “conservatism” now means leaders who lied to trick them into supporting an endless, insanely expensive war to satisfy the Boy King’s sick Oedipal complex.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:39 pmMaybe if you run a generic Democrat you might have a chance. Unfortunately you are left with a woman owned by the Chi-Coms and a state legislator from Illinois. Too bad.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:40 pmIt wasn’t the Iraqis country of course. It belonged to a dictator who massacred hundreds of thousands of people and was in pursuit of WMDs..Bush has stated the three reasons we eliminated Saddam and he hasn’t changed any of them.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
the fact that none of them was true doesn’t slow your lying down a bit, either, does it? the fact that he introduced the FIVE reasons one at a time as each was shown to be a crock of sh*t doesn’t mean he’s an arrogant, clueless, incompetent, deserting liar to you slaves. America is weaker today because of you. America is despised around the world today because of you. america has joined the ranks of failed states today because of you. You’re probably just as proud of that as you are of your ignorance of history and your admitted racism. Fool.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmYour argument is literally invalid.
Comment by CT_Version 2
So says the people that have been wrong about EVERYTHING… WE DONT BELIEVE YOU. And the republicans are done looking stupid because of you… saw a video the other day with many very cowboy like Texans saying they were either going to vote democrat (even though they never have before) or were going to start invoking the second amendment to stop the republican plan to slowly merge Canada and Mexico with America… The NeoCon gig is up.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmTP has officially become a tool of the Republican Party. Trolls account for one-third of posts and TP doing nothing. What’s up? TP is on the payroll. Posters are pawns.
Comment by TP Exposed
It’s not the number of funny little troll droppings, so don’t worry about them. Just step over their troll sh!t and move on. It is proven that if you ignore them and not feed them, they WILL GO AWAY.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmHillary loses Ohio by a very wide margin to either Fred or Rudy. Unless they can do a Kerry and try and steal votes in the Cleveland area she loses the state by 200,000 votes.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:42 pmHillary loses Ohio by a very wide margin to either Fred or Rudy. Unless they can do a Kerry and try and steal votes in the Cleveland area she loses the state by 200,000 votes.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:42 pm
liar
August 12th, 2007 at 9:45 pmyou guys aren’t conservatives, you’re just goons…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmThe priorities and predictions from the early-1990’s Iraq evolved much more in time. By 1998, even Nancy Pelosi was considering the country to be a threat. Your argument is literally invalid.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
liar.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmTo Americans “conservatism†now means leaders who lied to trick them into supporting an endless, insanely expensive war to satisfy the Boy King’s sick Oedipal complex.
It’s only you lunatic fringe moonbats who think that.
Sorry to tell you bub, I’ve heard exactly those opinions from life long Republic voters: that Bush lied to them to get them to back his unending, insanely costly war, and that he did it for reasons that are mostly due to his personal psychological sickness.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmReal Conservatives are REAL Americans… NeoCons… want to rule the world not America…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmMaybe if you run a generic Democrat you might have a chance. Unfortunately you are left with a woman owned by the Chi-Coms and a state legislator from Illinois. Too bad.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
well, it’s going to be a vast improvement over a deserter owned by the Bin Laden family and a pathological liar who cant shoot straight. Bush surrendered to Bin Laden faster than the Vichy French in WW2.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:48 pmBush’s three stated reasons for eliminating the Saddam regime. Free the Iraqi people, end Iraq’s WMD program and stop its support of international terrorism. None of those reasons have changed.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmReal Conservatives are REAL Americans… NeoCons… want to rule the world not America…
Bull shit he was repeating what was considered the TRUTH by Americas THINKERS at the time… then Bush Jr. and his NON THINKERS took over… and Cheney knew they had no clue…
August 12th, 2007 at 9:50 pmBush’s three stated reasons for eliminating the Saddam regime. Free the Iraqi people, end Iraq’s WMD program and stop its support of international terrorism. None of those reasons have changed.
Comment by Frank J
Non have been accomplished either… and as long as Bush is a puppet of the Saudi cabal it never will …
August 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmCheney predicted EVERYTHING and you can’t stand it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
don’t forget old George Bush 41, the crybaby who can’t appear in public any more because his son has shamed the family name even more than the other sons who were caught redhanded with underage hookers and savings and loan disasters. the old crybaby was the first to point out the stupidity of going into Iraq. that’s whe Georgie the deserter went in; it’s all about proving himself to daddy, who ignored him, and mother, who hated him. It was predicted by those of us who see the truth of sick royalist inbred families like the Bushes. And we were, and still are, 100% right about everything. they lied about the reasons, they lied about the timeline, they lied about the costs, and they’re still lying.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmWatching the republicans trying to get Osama Bin Laden is like watching Boss Hogg and Roscoe trying to catch Bo and Luke Duke.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Or like wathing Gonzo remember ANYTHING! He may be even more stupid then his ball-licking buddy… dubya. And that takes a big leap of faith.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmBush’s three stated reasons for eliminating the Saddam regime. Free the Iraqi people, end Iraq’s WMD program and stop its support of international terrorism. None of those reasons have changed.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
and none of them was true.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI see the “libruls” are handing over their lunch money as fast as possible again.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmHe didn’t lie about WMDs. He made the exact same statments about Saddam’s WMD program as the UN, Bill Clinton and Algore.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:55 pmFred Thompson
203 / 1.4%
…thats in IOWA… one of the most bushies states there is… Thompson has no chance.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:56 pmBush invaded Iraq because of his twisted Oedipal complex. He needed this war because “That motherf—-er tried to take out my dad,” he told Tom Daschle.
As a result, 3600 brave American GIs are dead; and at a cost of $2 billion per week to taxpayers; and 60,000 Iraqi civilians (minimum est.) are dead.
That’s the truth.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pmHe didn’t lie about WMDs. He made the exact same statments about Saddam’s WMD program as the UN, Bill Clinton and Algore.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You’re a liar.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pmHe didn’t lie about WMDs. He made the exact same statments about Saddam’s WMD program as the UN, Bill Clinton and Algore.
Comment by Frank J
Dont believe Frank Js lies…
August 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmBelieve your own eyes and ears
ronjazz and Gerald Gibson – just don’t repsond directly to it and it will get mad, throw feces and then go a way. Very predictable behavior. NO DIRECT RESPONSES to mr p/the sonny’s and dr doggie.
Watch what happens.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmSubmissive lemming trolls want an authoritarian daddy figure to curl up too while removing Americas freedoms. The very thing the big bad scary Muslim hiding under their beds wants to do.
How messed up are big brave wacko submissive lemming trolls who go around with their chest all puffed out then run to daddy when they get scared?
August 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmMan, you guys LOVE losing. Once again, the trolls are getting you to do EXACTLY what they want.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmSee, they are trying personal attacks and can’t get anyone to go there. Too funny!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThe war in Iraq is a farce. Dubya Bush and his crime family are proven failures…but what would you expect from drunken, AWOL, cowards and thugs?
Anyone in the 28% who is spouting bs on this board and who has not enlisted to carry water for the crime family should be ashamed.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pmWhy is linking to a comedian a bad thing?
After all, you put one to the Oval Office.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
The link points to a video that is 99% the words of the NeoCons.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:07 pmYea and so does everyone else.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
It is sad when poor mr p and all his aliases gets locked in the basement again or maybe pappy took away his play marine toys. Makes him SOOOO mad!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:08 pm28%ers = bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, trailer trash, troglodytes
August 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmWe gotta lock up those big mean liberals cause they read books and make us submissive lemming trolls look like Rudy in a dress.
Make them stop daddy!! Make them stop! Lock them up daddy!
Make us safe, take away my tricycle so big bad Muslims wont take my freedom!!!
little weenie trolls.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmHe just went with black to match the color of his heart.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Naw black is thats whats in the big dark closet with the monsters in it!!
Daddy Daddy its so dark! Im askeered a Musliim might get me! Take my freedom away daddy ground me save me!! Im Skeered!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWow. You sir, are a sexist pig.
ooo look tough words coming from the little chicken with the puffed out chest! Better go run to daddy so he can take care of that big meanie for you!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:16 pm28%ers = chickenshit, chickenhawk, bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodyte, cowards.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pmHere is a list of the employers of people that have donated money to Ron Paul…. every walk of life… it includes democrats… republicans… and independants… banks… military…. military industrial complex… oil companies… technologists… retirees…. and many many more.. it includes NO extremist views… if taken out of context anything can sound extremist…
August 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pmRon Paul donations
F*ck off, you stupid 9-11 truther!!!
Ooo, look, the big brave lemming said a bad word. Authoritarian Daddy gonna wash your mouth out!!
Better go get big bad mommy to take care of that truther submissive little lemming, we wouldn’t want you to get a skeered like you is of them big bad muslims hiding under your bed!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe surest bet on a wingtard troll party like this is that not a single one of them has served his country. Cowards, sissys, Mormons, whatever. Lousy excuses for Americans. Nixon should have been jailed, then this crap wouldnt be happening. Also too bad Bush wasn’t Laura’s boyfriend when she went out driving. We’d still be the world’s best, instead of a laughingstock.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmYou guys are losing over and over again, and you don’t even have the intellectual curiosity to ask, what does he mean? PATHETIC!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:20 pmShe hawks chicken at KFC.
Comment by Dr. D
ooo Lookie the submissive little lemming troll cowers from the big mean chicken at KFC. Better have daddy go get that for you wouldn’t want to have you have a nervous breakdown..
August 12th, 2007 at 10:23 pmThis is what the republican party really is all about…
August 12th, 2007 at 10:24 pmYou may have thought you were reading a thread about the facts around the dog-and-pony show and how that will affect our servicemen and women fighting and dying for Bush/Cheney’s God-forsaken policies; but these republicans trolls have turned it into 2nd grade shouting match.
Trolls are bad enough to deal with, but they done even have the intelligence to put out articulate arguments.
Nope, but my fax machine is still on.
Comment by Dr. frog
oh my not the big bad Fax machine!! I hear them things can be dangerous to such frail little submissive lemmings!
Better have authoritarian daddy do that for you, so , youll be nice and safe!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pmNope, but my fax machine is still on. Comment by Dr. frog
Did lemmie wemmie turn it on all by hisself! How precious!!
Mommy is gonna be so proud of her little submissive!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI talk to a lot of Republic voters all over my state; these are people who adore Ronald Reagan. I want to tell you, they absolutely despise George W Bush. Describing their opinions of him, they use words like incompetent, psychotic, irresponsible, and a pathological liar. They take his betrayal very personally. The Republic party is screwed, for years and years to some. Good riddance.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWayne would most likely beat absolutely silly so little time you’d never know what hit you, but it will never happen. You can go back to talking nonsense.
Awww, lookie, the lemmie wemmies are using big tough words again!!
Yet they are scared of beating up on some terrorists who want to take away their freedom!!
I’m call your daddy right away and having him take away your freedom so you’ll be safe!!
Come sit by mommy and we’ll practice cowering!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI talk to a lot of Republic voters all over my state; these are people who adore Ronald Reagan. I want to tell you, they absolutely despise George W Bush. Describing their opinions of him, they use words like incompetent, psychotic, irresponsible, and a pathological liar. They take his betrayal very personally. The Republic party is screwed, for years and years to some. Good riddance.
Comment by Arthur C
This is correct… if you go over to the Ron Paul YouTube page you will see that many many republicans are DONE with the NeoCons…
August 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pmConservatives are DONE with Bush…
I am from Indiana … I was on a plane flight out to Seattle a couple weeks back and a Republican business owner sat next to me… and when we were landing he showed me how his cell phone didnt work and said it has been that way for many years… he said at this low altitude the phone doesnt work… how did they work on 911?
Republicans are looking at the North American Union… and then Bush… and then Iraq… and now 911… if the republicans start thinking like this they will raise hell that the democrats just dont have the spine to do…
August 12th, 2007 at 10:37 pmChimpy and Shooter winning those hearts and minds…if the truth won’t do it, then JUST LIE…and keep lying and lying and lying…till it sticks to those stupid ass voters.
Why do repugs hate our way of life and want to be RULED? By the WORST PRES. AND VICE PRES. EVER!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pmWRONG, YOU FOOLISH LIBTARD!!!!!!
MAN, YOU GUYS SURE ARE PARANOID!!!!!!
How awesome, I see all this bravado, but really the little lemmie wemmie is as harmless as a snow globe!
Dont make the terrorists mad submissive, you remember what happened last time when you saw one on TV and wet yourself!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pmIrrational, irrelevant!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!
Isnt that funny!! A submissive little lemmie barking orders!!!
I wonder if anybody ever did what a submissive told it too, why of course not!! They only do what authoritarian Daddy and momy tell them too!!
Better watch out you might get your freedom taken away from you laughable critter lemming!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:43 pmRepublics are cowards and fools. Just look at their leader?
August 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmIrrational, irrelevant!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!
It hilarious!!! Like a sockpuppet with no teeth!!
Poor little lemming must be skeered if its crying like that!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:45 pmFactoid of the day.
Submissive lemming trolls have no spine. The depend on their daddys spine on all things physical and verbal.!!
Plus, they make such great neck warmers!!
Rudy I’m sure would like one dyed pink to wear around his fabulous new daddy dress!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:47 pmWhen trolls steal my material, I think I have the right to point that out.
It must be good stuff, if everyone keeps using it over and over again.
Please note, this comment is not addressed to anyone in particular.
If you so-called “libruls” want to discuss this, let me know. So afr, you’re just a bunch of wimps. You guys like losing.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:48 pmLink? Source? Provide a link or you are lying.
Your choice.
Its so demanding for such a weak pointless little thing!!
Oh my eyes are tearing with laughter!!
Reminds me of a Vole. Except Vole have actual spines!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmAll seriousness aside, the real topic of this thread is “O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’ “. Might we get back on that track?
August 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmGet lost, libtroll motherf*cker!!!!!
There it goes again, like a newborn fluffy little chick!
Cheep Cheep!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThis is an ad hominem attack and is meaningless.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Wemmie lemmies are meaningless sumbmissives without their daddy to back up their cutesy wutesy prattling!!
August 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmMight we get back on that track?
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 12, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Walt, until we learn to fight the trolls properly, the trolls will continue to run amok here. Why do NONE of you have the least inclination to ask what I mean? It’s astonishing.
August 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmLike trained seals?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
Bartlebee, you’ve been turned into the trained seal and you don’t even get it. Why do you think I keep saying this?
August 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pm28% troll apologists are too ignorant to realize that everyone sees their stupidity. They are bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, chickenshit, chickenhawk, troglodytes supporting the drunken AWOL coward and the thugs of his cirme family in their phony war for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies. Nobody in the crime family is a veteran and none of the apologists have ever served. They are all cowards speaking of something they know nothing about.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:04 pmDo not feed the trolls. They will go away and eat their own.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhat psychological factors are contribute to the adoption of conservative ideologies?
*Fear and aggression
*Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
*Uncertainty avoidance
*Need for cognitive closure
*Terror management
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
August 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmDo not feed the trolls. They will go away and eat their own.
Comment by kasinca
Exactly! mr p has a standard format here and when we don’t respond, he goes away and gets pappy to tell him about the ‘good ol’ days’ in the Crotch because “those mean ol’ progressives won’t play with me any more!”.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:08 pmDid y’all see this one earlier? “My folks felt I’d be a better help to America by staying here and doing battle with you libtards. I’m with the troops in spirit though. — Comment by CT_Version 2″
The chickenhawk’s soul laid bare.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pmOk RoS.
I’m in.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 12, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
I’m working on reply. I will be back in a moment.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:12 pmLemmie submissives don’t have very good eyes because they spend most of their time cowering in dark corners, basements, under beds, in closets, in bathroom stalls in florida with daddy Bob Allen
August 12th, 2007 at 11:12 pmThompson 2008!!!
Dead man walkin’!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:13 pmFor those of you that missed last night’s meltdown of mr p and all his personalities, he is copying it almost word for word here, down to all the jujenile little sexual comments and the talking to himself, so he is out of material. Nothing to see here, just go on home. Makes you ALMOST feel sorry for him.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmShe’s a good f*ck though.
Silly lemmie, submissive lemmies are all female!! You know your daddy had to have sex for you!!
Remember what we taught you about fibbing!! Authoritarian Daddy doesn’t like fibbers!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmWell, anyway,
Thompson 2008!!!
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Which one…the one with 1% or the one with 1%? Add them together and you will have 2%.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmThe reichwing is so over…for so long, and that is a good thing.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmShe’s a good f*ck though.
Comment by Sonny White — August 12, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
She said you couldn’t get it up, and she couldnt find it without her glasses. she said she finally got you excited with a picture of Giuliani on SNL.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmShe’s a good f*ck though
Rocki Road is a sexually interactive pornographic DVD for basement dwelling lonely Lemmies!!
You got some hand!! Most likely yours, or that Young College Republican guy that sneaks around in the dark Glenn Murphy!!
Say, you didn’t have a blanket up around your waist did you?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmAll seriousness aside, the real topic of this thread is “O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’ “. Might we get back on that track?
Comment by WaltTheMan —
Like everything else the bush thugs have fabricated this into a fairytale, politicized it for political gain…to spin this in the media for hate rightie talk news..
August 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmThere is an increasing % that do not trust the news media – will this lie be bought by the majority? Can the repugs pull this lie off?
And I am 66.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmNotice how mr p/god blast/diddle doggie makes uop his own rules as he goes. Just liek last night. He is in his last throes… if you don;t feed him and answer anything directly. He can’t stand that! Will call you all names and project all this mommy hatred and pappy molesting.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pm# 362 All seriousness aside, the real topic of this thread is “O’Hanlon: Iraq Trip Relied On ‘The Itinerary The Defense Department Developed’ “. Might we get back on that track?
Comment by WaltTheMan —
Like everything else the bush thugs have fabricated this into a fairytale, politicized it for political gain…to spin this in the media for hate rightie talk news..
There is an increasing % that do not trust the news media – will this lie be bought by the majority? Can the repugs pull this lie off?
Comment by had enough
And it is starting to fail them as more and more people are seeing (and believing) the truth. Pudgeboy rover is losing his touch.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmJust another failed psyops mission for the chymp.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pmLessee, that’s 0 for, uh, well, 0 for everything…
The Iraq war was started on lies.
The IraQ occupation continues on lies.
Chimpy’s regime is incapable of telling the truth.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmSee! Poor mr p is foaming at the mouth, cause no one is paying any attention. Just like last night! Way to go TPers!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmHowever, I will report him to the TP moderaters.
oooh lookie a big tough submissive lemmie that lost his daddies phone number!!
Lets laugh at it!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:25 pmRU, can you just see poor mr p in his basement, flailing away on his 2 or 3 machines, cheeto stains on both keyboards, wild eyed and snarling! Must be quite a sight for his webcam buddies in their stained underwear!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:26 pmI saw earlier in the thread that our troll (there’s just one) accused O’Hanlon of lying about his previous lies. This is a twisted, sick bunch, these Bush-fellators. The worst sort of immoral people of very low character. Living in hate and fear, taking pleasure in inflicting pain and suffering from afar on frien and foe alike. I’ll be glad when they’re gone in ‘08. America will get its freedom back from the Deserter-In-Chief and the Vice Draft-Dodger and War Profiteer.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:26 pmLINK… OR YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!!
YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!
Awww poor widdle lemmie, of course its my choice, you left your choice to daddy!!
And my choice is …You are a liar!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI’ll be glad when they’re gone in ‘08. America will get its freedom back from the Deserter-In-Chief and the Vice Draft-Dodger and War Profiteer.
Comment by ronjazz
But the sh!t streaks that this cabal leaves behind will take some time to clean up.
Maybe mr p can be hired as contract labor to help us out! After all, the rover’s checks to him will be bouncing by then.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThank you for asking Bartlebee.
There is a point here. I hate the trolls as much as anyone here. There is nothing I would like to see better than to have them driven completely from this site. Until we learn to fight them better, we won’t accomplish that.
The trolls aren’t interested in facts or the truth. They have no intention of acknowledging anything meaningful you guys say. It does no good to argue w/ them over their crazy comments. They know this coming in. They’re ready for it when you push back.
They want to tie the threads in endless circular arguments that never end. It destroys the viability of TP as a forum for discussion. When trolls post nonsense comments like “Libs are surrender monkeys”, there are no facts or a valid position to argue there, and they know it. They want you to take the bait and charge. Just like bullfighters they wave that flag and go “Ole!” over and over again.
You cannot refute an irrational statement w/ logic. There’s no there there. The trolls aren’t interested in logical debate. They just want to tie up the threads. Every time you guys lock horns and argue, you automatically lose. You are doing EXACTLY what the trolls want.
It’s not so much what the trolls say that matters, it’s what they’re trying to accomplish by doing what they’re doing, and right now, it’s winning for them. Thread after thread turns into an endless, screeching slap fight w/ no resolution.
It might feel good to call a troll a “Nazi b*ll-licker” but they win again when you do that. Comments like that make the whole website look bad. And it makes someone like O’Reilly look right when he describes TP as a far left hate site. The trolls LOVE it when you guys do that. You think you’re embarrassing them and hurting their feelings, but they LOVE it when you do that.
When trolls make nonsense comments, all you need to do is say, “That’s nonsense”, and don’t reply to it again. Really, it works. Why do you guys keep using my line – “Irrational, irrelevant, NEXT!”??? Must work, huh?
Doesn’t matter waht the troll says next. DO NOT ADDRESS a comment directly to a troll. It allows them to say in the conversation. I have seen over and over again how trolls trun brief exchanges into arguments.
DON’T TAKE THE BAIT!!!
Is this making sense, Bartlebee? You watch, the trolls will trash this.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:31 pmFART&PEE
Your daddy is gonna be so proud that you graduated from lemmie level three and have started using big submissive emmie words!!
Stay still, Dear Leader Daddy wants a picture of your extraordinary accomplishment!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:31 pmPoor p, is really getting flustered now, doesn’t know who is who? Kinda like the situation with his pappy. Some mysteries remain mysteries. Tsk Tsk
August 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pmRubber turkeys, fictitious story about Jessica Lynch, LIES about Tillman – the public did not buy the stories around this lie of a war. Here we go with another fabrication… can this lie be pulled off?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:34 pmRoS, We know it works, just like it always does when he doesn’t get fed, he slithers back under mom’s trailer looking for more soggy cheetos.
Some things are worth savoring, and troll meltdowns are one of them!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:36 pmUpside, I try not to visualize anything about these pathetic trolls.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThey are lost in their Bushit worship, let them just wallow in it.
The difficulty with making anything “idiot proof”; is that idiots are so determined to maintain their status.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThe difficulty with making anything “idiot proofâ€; is that idiots are so determined to maintain their status.
Comment by pete
The good news here is we are only dealing with one idiot. Other than the one in the WH.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWow. Trying to censor people.
“Progressive†indeed.
Yeh, its much better when you tattoo their forearms, maybe put a badge on them, then throw them in a gulag instead of censoring them because your skeered of some Muslim who hates your freedom so much you’d remove it for them, isn’t it?
Submissive lemmingist indeed
August 12th, 2007 at 11:39 pmDON’T TAKE THE BAIT!!!
How you doin tonight TRoS???
These lying sacks of camel dung got called on their phony baloney faux journalism, didn’t they.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmUpside, I try not to visualize anything about these pathetic trolls.
They are lost in their Bushit worship, let them just wallow in it.
Comment by RUCerious
But they can humor us until the big flush in 08…. then will mom finally throw them out of the basement? Will be fun to find out.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:41 pmTRoS, you’re the loser. Look at what you just caused. This troll is insane, and the best way to deal with it is to break it, then it goes. Otherwise, it just keeps creating sockpuppets and talking to itself. In any case, I dont take my instructions as to how po post on an unmoderated board from anybody. In fact, I come to the comments after I’ve read the important information in the post specifically to trash these traitors. I’m sorry you don’t like it…actually, I’m not. it’s just a blog, and that’s that. You really should start your own blog, and run it your own way. You’re smart, it would probably be good. But trying to run this blog your way puts you on the edge of troll territory. And I;m the one in charge of trolls here, as anyone can plainsly see, as i decimate them and make them eat their own turds. It’s a bit of fun.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:41 pmTRoS, I’d make one minor change if that were my slogan, as it seems like the NEXT, is asking the trolls for their next idiotic slogan.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pmI do, however cherish the
IRRATIONAL! IRRELEVANT! and would follow with my signature ~!
*
Would anyone care to review the Bush record?
just so you know:
http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/bush/
August 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pm.
Upside, yeah. I think there will be mass heads exploding mid November next year. No more RNC coin to piddle out to these trolls.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFred Thompson is just another dumb actor who like Reagan will fall asleep in cabinet meetings. Not that he will ever become president.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:44 pmWould anyone care to review the Bush record?
just so you know:
http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/bush/
Comment by katy
Now, Now Katy, making us review Dubya’s record would be considered torture in every country but the State of DeNial that BushCo and the troll here is a citizen of!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI’ve tried to post about 12 times and get nulled w/o post appearing. Is there a trend on the stability index of TP??
August 12th, 2007 at 11:47 pmSome things are worth savoring, and troll meltdowns are one of them!
Comment by upside00 — August 12, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
But it’s not working. The trolls are getting what they want thread after thread. You’re having no affect whatsoever on posters like Frank J and Mr Dog. You think you’re winning becasue you just made one troll melt down, and you’ve just managed to trun the whole thread over to the trolls again.
You just don’t get it. You accomplish nothing w/ the insults and endless circular arguments. The trolls win every time.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:47 pmNow, Now Katy, making us review Dubya’s record would be considered torture in every country but the State of DeNial that BushCo and the troll here is a citizen of!
Comment by upside00 — A
Please, waterboard me instead of making me review the chymp’s record!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:47 pmstability index of TP…
August 12th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThat’s good Walt.
I think it’s a cookie monster!
Reagan broke the law when he sold arms for hostages. Bush also broke the law. But his list of lawbreaking is longer.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by WaltTheMan
Happened to me yesterday too. Not sure why, but supposedly they are working on an improved registration system and will be up soon.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:48 pmthink it got lost in the garbage… try again:
*
Would anyone care to review the Bush record?
just so you know:
http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/bush/
August 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pm.
Looks like Trudi Julie Annie doesn’t play well in Iowa.
LOL!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:51 pmNotice all the posts that went away just now? Maybe 35 or so? HMMMMM
But mr p and his 3 ring circus is still meth-mouthing. Guess not everything is cleaned up.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:52 pmYOU ARE REPORTED!!!!!!!!!!
ooooo Lookie, its chest is all bowed up again!! And its gasping for air, I think!
Isn’t that amazing a spineless submissive lemming can do that?
I’m caling Ripleys believe it or not!!
Im so proud *sniff*
August 12th, 2007 at 11:52 pmtest
This thread is shrinking!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:52 pmAS cute as the name-jackers comments are, it still just elevates the dufus troll to some higher status when jacked.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:53 pmIgnoring seems to work. I was called a liar just a minute ago when I mentioned the Nov 08 elections and Rovian coin because i didn’t post a link, right? Now do I give a shit if a troll calls me a liar?? Nope. Ignore it and consider the source.
TRoS, you’re the loser. Look at what you just caused. This troll is insane, and the best way to deal with it is to break it, then it goes. Otherwise, it just keeps creating sockpuppets and talking to itself. In any case, I dont take my instructions as to how po post on an unmoderated board from anybody. In fact, I come to the comments after I’ve read the important information in the post specifically to trash these traitors. I’m sorry you don’t like it…actually, I’m not. it’s just a blog, and that’s that. You really should start your own blog, and run it your own way. You’re smart, it would probably be good. But trying to run this blog your way puts you on the edge of troll territory. And I;m the one in charge of trolls here, as anyone can plainsly see, as i decimate them and make them eat their own turds. It’s a bit of fun.
Comment by ronjazz — August 12, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Ya don’t understand a thing. That troll freaks out because he’s trying to destroy what I said. You go back to calling names. The trolls love you for it. So many good posters have lest here becasue of this. People who are passing thru for the first time could be very disgusted w/ what they see. You’re making O’Reilly look right w/ all the profanity.
Go back to “Ch*mpy leg-h*mper” comments, ron. You’re winning so big that way. you’re really driving the trolls away.
No, I’m not on the edge of troll territory. No, you do not manipulate the trolls – they run you and you don’t even know it.
If what I say is irrelevnt, why do you feel a need to reply?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:53 pmThis thread is shrinking!
Comment by Rose Tyler
I noticed that earlier, now has lost aobut 45 or 50, mostly troll feces I think.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 pmAbout the trolls:
Who cares? Just post. When we have registration they will be gone. About the “victory” of trolls here, yeah, they won what, exactly? Spamming thread is in no way victory but a reflection of personal frustration. Let them do that. I couldnt care less.
About the topic: “By no means did all of the Iraqis agree with the view of progress in Iraq.â€
Oh, that is so surprising, right? Well, it is really hard to make all the population of a starved from country since 1991, bombed relentlessly since Clinton years, harmed by economic sanctions, watching how the superpower in turn prepared illegal action against them, agree with your statement of progress in Iraq, you clueless moron.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 pmO’Hanlon’s op-ed doesn’t change the reality on the ground in Iraq. The surge has failed because Maliki has failed to make any political progress. The surge was supposed to facilitate this. It has failed. It is a flawed policy. Set a date and bring all combat forces home in one year.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:54 pmHey Juan, how ya doin on a Sunday night>?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI notice TP left my post up and took all of the bizarre copies out. Means something, huh?
August 12th, 2007 at 11:56 pmThe surge is an overwhelming success!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 11:56 pmJuan C and Probus,
How do you “win” a civil war when you are in the middle.
Kinda like being in a circular firing squad, isn’t it? Not a good thing to be doing when you want to live a long and happy life.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:57 pmshhhhhhh. listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ELgFGd2fs
August 12th, 2007 at 11:58 pmI notice TP left my post up and took all of the bizarre copies out. Means something, huh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 12, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
The intern woke up? :)
– Real Zooey
August 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pmGood point Probus. This was supposed to give them time to get their act together. No way.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pmI’ve read quite a bit about the Iraqi society and mores. The one thing that really sticks is the way they deal with disputes. Say one guy says another guy owes him a goat. There’s no way to compromise, one guy wins and gets the goat, the other guy loses. No history of saying, OK, you get the goat, but I get your next born sheep. Doesn’t happen. Isn’t part of the culture. But, that is at the heart of American style democracy.
This experiment is over, let’s get our troops home and let them install the nextSadaam.
If what I say is irrelevnt, why do you feel a need to reply?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 12, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Well, now you’re just a troll. F*ck off. Stupid goodie two-shoes. I’ll ignore your self-righteous bullshit from now on, that’s or sure.
August 12th, 2007 at 11:59 pmMistress Z!~
August 13th, 2007 at 12:00 amWelcome back. Been lurking?
That’s it, these new trolls are methheads. Explains the psychotic behavior.
Greenwald did an excellent job exposing those propaganda lies.
Too bad the three Dem frontrunners drank the koolaid.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:00 amOkay back to subject. How much of Iraq can you see in eight days and every night in the green zone?
About as much of Daddys ass as a submissive lemming troll can fondle in one hour!!
Seriously, the report is substantially lacking.
I hear the surge is working, militarily, somewhat, from other news sources but that the Maliki government is not looking very healthy.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:00 am– Real Zooey
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Hey Ms. Z, welcome back!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amTRoS @ 618
You’re right about the P troll — he thrives on the attention. He should be ignored completely.
Still having beaucoup trouble posting comments….
– Real Zooey
August 13th, 2007 at 12:01 am– Real Zooey
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Hello ZooHava! Howz iz youz?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:02 amTom3 ~ Wasn’t that story a mindFU(K?!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:03 amGlad to see that Clinton, Obama and Edwards all three want to keep troops there for the ??? future. Edwards to avoid genocide (what do you call what’s going on with them there right now?), Clinton for “vital interests of Enron, er America) and Obama for some other reason.
Richardson is the only one of the bunch who understands the word NOW>!
– Real Zooey
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Hey Ms. Z, welcome back! We missed you!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:03 amRUC @ 629
Yep, I’ve been looking at the horror that has been this thread — but anable to post comments. Tried my old name, and it’s working for now.
Hello upside00, RUC & all!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:03 amWOW!! They scrubbed all of mr p, it looks like! Plus caused a few dupe osts but Good Work, TP!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:04 amHey Juan, how ya doin on a Sunday night>?
Comment by RUCerious
I ate something that made me sick. Im with fever and really strong noises in my belly. I am finishing some article so my professor can go to a Congress in Cusco…hahaha, and I moan about slave labor.
Tomorrow is a big day, they will or wont give me a scholarship for my PhD studies. Lets see how that goes.
Thanks for asking and it is a true gift to have you here…among us. ;)
August 13th, 2007 at 12:04 amNo military strategy by Bushco can or will work. it’s designed to be incompetent (didn’t take much effort) and to keep funneling the big bucks to Cheneyburton, et al. A very simple proposition: you don’t free a people by displacing and murdering them. If Bush had been anything but a compulsive liar and sociopath, he would have listened to the generals instead of firing them, and this would have been over long ago. Follow the money.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:05 amOy…sorry about the numbering thing. Y’all know who you are. :)
Hello Picot Orion. :-)
Could the shrinking number of comments be a good sign….?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:05 amThe intern woke up? :)
– Real Zooey
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
heh… i noticed a lot of clean ups of all the threads…
thankfully!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:06 amits not… they lied to you again. dont be surprised.
Comment by Fan_of_Man
Oh I’m not. Perhaps its blowback.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amJuan, sorry about your tummy, but let me get on line and buy some alka seltzer stock! Oh. I am online. Never mind.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amFeel better soon, Juan, and good luck with your scholarship. :)
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amZoo,
I watched what was on the post last night with over 1100 posts. Was amazing to see mr p go into complete meth meltdown! Was like watching a psycho-therapy drama in real life! And he started exactly the same thing here tongiht but looks like he was outed.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amUpside, I always think that the “winning” thing has a lot of sexual and life frustration from people who advocates for that. My mom is a psychologist…so you know Freud and Lacan´s ideas are usual stuff in our meals. Hehehe.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amfeels like somebody may have been banned. Feels good.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amand it is a true gift to have you here…among us. ;)
Wow. **drawing arcs with toe** Aww shucks…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amThanks TP, let me know if I can get you a case of Costco Toilet paper. Great Flush!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amRUC and Zoo, thanks. :)
Things will turn out OK, no matter what.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:09 amTP is weirding out again.
The NY Times has a credibility problem.
They should print a retraction to that piece of crap op-ed.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:10 amupside00,
I looked at some of that thread last night — Yikes.
P definitely has problems — who else would be here ALL THE TIME?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:11 amComment by Juan C
Yea, mr p would make for a complete Psychology graduate program study, all by him self (Plus his 27 other personalities).
August 13th, 2007 at 12:11 amand it is a true gift to have you here…among us. ;)
Wow. **drawing arcs with toe** Aww shucks…
Comment by RUCerious — August 13, 2007 @ 12:08 am
It’s TRUE!! :-)
August 13th, 2007 at 12:12 amTP must be in Weight Watchers.
It looks like it just lost 30 pounds.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amYou know what really gets me? Trolls insulting older (is that a polite word?) people here, like Walt or Uncle Ho, Sharon or RUC…I mean, I know they are over those childish rants but the lack of respect towards a person that knows a lot more than you about life just clarifies the moral quality of war supporters.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amP definitely has problems — who else would be here ALL THE TIME?
Comment by Zooey
Not only the length, but all the sexual projecting…. I pity his mom, she must be on MAJOR meds to tolerate him in her basement.
Anyhooooo,
when does school start?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:13 amI love how the numbers on this thread keep going down…..and my comments keep showing up. Cool!!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:14 amWell, **basking in warm & fuzzy** – gotta go, some data warehousing stuff to read, then to bed. Night all!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:14 amI watched what was on the post last night with over 1100 posts
Mr P has really flipped this time.
*Spins index finger in air*
makes whistling sound
By watching the posts and times I don’t think he has slept in a week!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:15 amYou know what really gets me? Trolls insulting older (is that a polite word?) people here, like Walt or Uncle Ho, Sharon or RUC…I mean, I know they are over those childish rants but the lack of respect towards a person that knows a lot more than you about life just clarifies the moral quality of war supporters.
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:13 am
I agree, Juan. The trolls’ treatment of veteran’s is despicable, as well.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:15 amComment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:04 am
hey, i missed your post to me on another thread…
thanks for saying that… i know you care…
i wouldn’t let a thing those idjits say get me down…
another thing i wanted to clear up, for myself mostly…
i mentioned my “kids” going to belize… see how us moms are…
those kids are 27 yrs old… heh…
best of luck on your news tomorrow…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:16 am!
I love how the numbers on this thread keep going down…..and my comments keep showing up. Cool!!
Comment by Zooey
Don’t know if you saw but BNF was here the other day and said he could be found at H___ P____
August 13th, 2007 at 12:17 am#431 Comment by Juan C
I know, when he went off on me and Uncle ho and some of the other Vietnam vets and challenged our service, I had to control myself, but it looks like things have brightened up.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:17 amwhen does school start?
Comment by upside00 — August 13, 2007 @ 12:13 am
School starts on 8/20. Can’t wait!!
I’m in Portland, having just nudged my youngest son from the nest, and I’ll head home on Tuesday for a little quiet time before school starts.
How are things with you?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amAbout the P thing…we have had: Santo, IRI, rachel, etc… and we have outrun them. Just like we will do with this payed troll.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amHow are things with you?
Comment by Zooey
Working hard (and smart, I hope) and enjoying the summer, lots of bike rides in the mountains, was in Europe twice and going to Costa Rica and Panama in a bit.
No rest for the (VERY) wicked, I guess.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amDon’t know if you saw but BNF was here the other day and said he could be found at H___ P____
Comment by PICOT ORION — August 13, 2007 @ 12:17 am
I knew he was going over there, thanks. I’ll check it out when I get home.
If Faiz comes through with his promised registration, TP might just be ok….
August 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amNo rest for the (VERY) wicked, I guess.
Comment by upside00 — August 13, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Wow!! How’d you get so lucky? I have friends who went to Costa Rica, and they said it was sooooo beautiful.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amAnd Zoo, finally got both of mine out of U of Colorado with one going to start law school next month.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amI am working on buying a business there, have been maybe 4 times so far. Is VERY nice, indeed. A lot of ex-pats there now, both US and Canadian.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:24 amjust checked…
the 1200 count gonzales thread is now under 1000…
sure hope TP can recover it’s reputation after this horrible weekend…
when the troolls started talking about taking over TP…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:24 am… shudder… i know they were bloviating, but it sure looked possible…
…
I agree, Juan. The trolls’ treatment of veteran’s is despicable, as well.
Comment by Zooey
Im gonna get hit, hopefully not too hard by some of you, but the idea of a veteran, a soldier or people in the forces is not a person I, socially and historically, use to hold in such a high regard.
Why? Well, first of all, armies in Latinamerica are made for just one purpose: repress people. Nothing more. Yeah, well, maybe some flooding dam or something, but no, it does not do the people bidding.
So, to me, as an institution is a despicable one. Now, about the people that conforms it, you have to look at the afraid eyes of natives kids, being thrown into this institution arms because there ARE NOT OTHER CHOICES to come out well in life. So, I dont have anything against the people.
I know, you have another, almost sacred, idea about the whole thing. So, I should shut up. But I hope you can see that this is in no way disrespectful.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:25 amJust like we will do with this payed troll.
Comment by Juan C
Anytime TP gets some media attention they come a rolling in. The ones we had here the last few days reminded me of the stormfronters. They accused us of reading books and being smart and only had insults as a weapon.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:26 amThe ones we had here the last few days reminded me of the stormfronters. They accused us of reading books and being smart and only had insults as a weapon.
Comment by PICOT ORION
Believe it or not, almost all those postings was by 1 person! A crazy one for sure, and had to be drugged up, with multiple computers going.
If you did some forensics, it wasn’t hard to put all the names back to mr p. He was really losing his cool the past couple of days.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:28 amAnd Zoo, finally got both of mine out of U of Colorado with one going to start law school next month.
Comment by upside00 — August 13, 2007 @ 12:22 am
That’s amazing! Law school is such a huge challenge.
I am working on buying a business there, have been maybe 4 times so far. Is VERY nice, indeed. A lot of ex-pats there now, both US and Canadian.
Comment by upside00 — August 13, 2007 @ 12:24 am
I know a man who used to spend every moment he could in Costa Rica, and retired down there. Sadly, he died within a year, but he realized his dream!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:28 amwas in Europe twice and going to Costa Rica and Panama in a bit.
Comment by upside00
Oh, poor you!!! :)
Katy, thank you very much. Im afraid of the academic bureaucreacy here. You wouldnt believe it. MY professor says that when he was in Purdue, the whole admin of the University was handled, efficiently, by say a hundred people. I kind of notice that attitude towards efficience when I was in OH.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:29 amWell, gotta make a 6AM meeting tomorrow, so will didi on out of here.
By all, and is SOOO nice to have sanity back in the threads!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amEither Fred or Rudy can beat the corrupt Clinton and the empty suit from Illinois and it won’t be close.
Comment by Frank J — August 12, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
If Frank J really believes this, he might just have to be carted off in a straitjacket after the election.
By the way Frank, nice job lying there about WMD’s. Keep up the good work undercutting your own credibility.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amI know, you have another, almost sacred, idea about the whole thing. So, I should shut up. But I hope you can see that this is in no way disrespectful. Comment by Juan C
Well, I worked in Panama for a bit and I understand where your coming from, it was odd to see the military patrolling the airport lobbies with machine guns. We even had to pay off a few police so we didn’t get hauled to jail for some traffic infraction.
But my Father served in the Air Force and my mothers new husband was shot down in a bomber. Other friends and uncle served in vietnam, some Korea. They are not into repressing people at all. They think people should have a right to speak freely. Generally nice people.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:31 amI know, you have another, almost sacred, idea about the whole thing. So, I should shut up. But I hope you can see that this is in no way disrespectful.
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:25 am
It’s ok, Juan. I grew up in a military family, so I just see a different side of it. That doesn’t mean I don’t know there are problems. :)
August 13th, 2007 at 12:34 amBelieve it or not, almost all those postings was by 1 person! A crazy one for sure, and had to be drugged up, with multiple computers going.
Comment by upside00
I wonder who would, if so, pay someone to do that. Sexion and IRI NED even had some debating skills.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:35 ami remembered this info from another thread:
So p, and the other little trolls go to George Mason U in Northern Virginia.
maybe TP can put a block on that ?
it’s pretty obvious those comments were meth/crack induced…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:35 amca-razy…
That doesn’t mean I don’t know there are problems. :)
Comment by Zooey
Thanks for the “not whipping”. Heh. :D
August 13th, 2007 at 12:37 amA crazy one for sure, and had to be drugged up, with multiple computers going.
Comment by upside00
About that…I wonder if just by opening your browser in TP page several times and posting like crazy would do the trick…just like some kids Ive seen do with the MSN.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:38 amThanks for the “not whippingâ€. Heh. :D
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:37 am
Well, a troll had me drying your back this morning, so I was still thinking about that. :-D
August 13th, 2007 at 12:39 amSo p, and the other little trolls go to George Mason U in Northern Virginia.
If so they don’t have very bright students, I thougt George Mason was a pretty good well known, Ivey type, school. It would help explain his elitist attitude he had some days. Prisoners Dilemma and what not.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:40 amJuan, no problem with your vet comment. My wife is Vietnamese, and her take on police (having been raised in a police state) is very different than mine.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:42 amI think what distinguishes veterans is the first hand experience at watching the legalized murder that is war.
It leaves an indelible mark on the psyche and soul.
Notice how most combat vets are just so pissed about the loss of life, because our chymperor had an ego problem. Oh, yeah, and Cheney had an oil issue or two.
We take it personally.
Well, a troll had me drying your back this morning, so I was still thinking about that. :-D
Comment by Zooey
Hahahaha. Yeah, I read that. I was about to comment…but let it go through, you seemed to be in a bad mood…with all reason.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:42 amAbout that…I wonder if just by opening your browser in TP page several times and posting like crazy would do the trick…just like some kids Ive seen do with the MSN. Comment by Juan C
You could. Of course he may have been using TOR a proxy server [multiple IPs and routes] from many Tabs with TPs webpage loaded. He talked of having to refresh alot. =) And it would be easier than moving from PC to PC
August 13th, 2007 at 12:44 amHahahaha. Yeah, I read that. I was about to comment…but let it go through, you seemed to be in a bad mood…with all reason.
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Actually, a troll was using my name — hence the “crankiness.”
I was using the name Rose Tyler. :D
August 13th, 2007 at 12:45 amjuan, we NORTH americans have much to learn
August 13th, 2007 at 12:45 amabout life outside the borders of the usa…
you can imagine how most of the information we have about
other countries and civilizations has been distorted…
wouldn’t want the REAL story getting out there…
i’ve learned a lot from you…
thanks.
I think what distinguishes veterans is the first hand experience at watching the legalized murder that is war.
Comment by RUCerious
Wow. That was the best definition of war Ive read.
Thnak you for POV. And I agree, people with direct living experiences at war despises it.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:48 amAbout that…I wonder if just by opening your browser in TP page several times and posting like crazy would do the trick…just like some kids Ive seen do with the MSN.
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:38 am
in order to post with different names, one would have to have
August 13th, 2007 at 12:49 amdifferent computers… or blackberries and such…
not just lots of tabs/pages…
I was using the name Rose Tyler. :D
Comment by Zooey
Hehehehe. You think I wouldnt recognize you? ;)
August 13th, 2007 at 12:51 amHehehehe. You think I wouldnt recognize you? ;)
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Well, no. But it was pretty nuts here this morning. :}
August 13th, 2007 at 12:52 amWell, now you’re just a troll. F*ck off. Stupid goodie two-shoes. I’ll ignore your self-righteous bullshit from now on, that’s or sure.
Comment by ronjazz — August 12, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
You’re pathetic. The trolls aren’t destroying this site. It’s morons like you.
Go ahead, roll in your own waste like an obedient dog.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:53 amMike Gravel saved your asses from getting drafted you inapppreciative bastards
and this is how you repay him by not giving an ounce of respect to the man. By supporting a retard like John Edwards who facilitated the war?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
You have a chance to support a true american patriot and you’re not doing it. PATHETIC IMBECILES!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:53 amnot just lots of tabs/pages…
i should qualify that with – i think…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:54 am.
I was using the name Rose Tyler. :D
Comment by Zooey
I know )
August 13th, 2007 at 12:55 amI was using the name Rose Tyler. :D
Comment by Zooey
Me too!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:56 amYou’re pathetic. The trolls aren’t destroying this site. It’s morons like you.
Go ahead, roll in your own waste like an obedient dog.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 13, 2007 @ 12:53 am
Heck with him, TRoS.
He comes around to whack the trolls, but the trolls are gone!!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:56 amFor now…..
wouldn’t want the REAL story getting out there…
i’ve learned a lot from you…
thanks.
Comment by katy
*blushing* Oh, stop…
*whispering* Thank you…all of you.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by Tab1 PICOT ORION — August 13, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Comment by Tab2 PICOT ORION — August 13, 2007 @ 12:56 am
**snort**
August 13th, 2007 at 12:58 amtros… i think it’s kinda like the ex-smoker / ex-drinker being
rather insufferable about other people’s bad habits…
you need to tone the self-righteousness down a bit…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:59 amyou were very recently part of the problem…
remember?
i do…
Go ahead, roll in your own waste like an obedient dog.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Uh uh…why are the waters being disturbed in this pond of tranquility?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:59 amWHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
You have a chance to support a true american patriot and you’re not doing it. PATHETIC IMBECILES!
Comment by old hack — August 13, 2007 @ 12:53 am
What are you babbling about?
Who said anything about Gravel or Edwards?
Imbecile.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:59 amI noticed the Heinous Troll slacked off after being called a submissive lemming =)
Either way, ignoring the MR P troll or arguing back he wasn’t going away soon.. Mr P Reminded me of Rachel.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:01 amaak! midnight…
g’nite all…
August 13th, 2007 at 1:01 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMOGgUiCLw
Did Kucinich stop the draft?
did kucinich fight the oil companies to create an environmental friendly oil pipeline?
did kucinich call the “top tier”s bluff and tell the american public on national television that they are all owned by the military industrial complex?
WAKE UP YOU COWARDS!
August 13th, 2007 at 1:01 amWAKE UP YOU COWARDS!
Comment by old hack — August 13, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Heinous P troll wannabe.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:02 amGoodnight, katy.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:02 amWAKE UP YOU COWARDS!
Comment by old hack
You know what else he didnt do? He didnt stop the huge typhoon that killed thousands of people in South Asia a couple of days ago with his powerful hurricane breath.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:03 ama new 911 investigation
responsible health care for all
civil rights
habeus corpus
secured borders
EVERYTHING YOU PEOPLE WANT IS SCREAMING BEGGING FOR YOUR HELP TO OVER THROW THE bureaucracy THAT CONTROLS YOU!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 1:06 amWAKE UP YOU COWARDS!
Comment by old hack — August 13, 2007 @ 1:01 am
He didn’t stop the steam coming from Mount St Helens either.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:08 amWhat a wanker.
Now that is pretty damn cool TP..Thank you and now you have regained my support….Had just finished reading through 600 pieces of trash, hit refresh and wala….Good job.
So nice to read some of the great’s are back, Lady Z, Juan C, RUCerious…I send evening Blessings…Today is another new moon….Sending good thought’s for tomorrow Juan..Night all, we are back…
August 13th, 2007 at 1:10 amHey, Sharon! It was like a miracle seeing all those troll droppings evaporate — truly amazing. :)
August 13th, 2007 at 1:12 amWAKE UP YOU COWARDS!
Comment by old hack
I’m reading his site now OH. But please, its late and Im tired of the name calling. Could we please adjust the volume? =) Thx
August 13th, 2007 at 1:15 amSharon…now I know everythings gonna be fine! :)
Thank you. So many underserved good wishes, people.
Im gonna have a cold bath. Fever is increasing. Take care, everybody.
See ya.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:16 amIm gonna have a cold bath. Fever is increasing. Take care, everybody.
See ya.
Comment by Juan C — August 13, 2007 @ 1:16 am
OMG, Juan. Please take care.
Goodnight.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:19 ame didn’t stop the steam coming from Mount St Helens either.
What a wanker.
Comment by Zooey
He can be quite the bulldog, it seems. From his site:
In 1971, Mike waged a successful one-man filibuster for five months that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft in the United States.
http://www.gravel2008.us/#
I have to read more Old Hack
August 13th, 2007 at 1:21 amGoodnight.
Comment by Zooey
;)
(((hugs)))
August 13th, 2007 at 1:21 amYep! Lady Z, all it take’s is believing in magic…..Snicker and a smile as I light another candle….16 more eye opening day’s, hopefuly filled with Blessings…Nite all
August 13th, 2007 at 1:21 amCYA Juan
Blessings Sharon. As we have an Aura [magnetic] field so is the Earths Aura. Good Thoughts Ahoy!
And GN Zooey, glad to see you again.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:26 amGoodnight Sharon, Picot Orion, and Juan.
Nice to breathe a little fresh air on this blog. :)
Sharon, keep working your magic!
Goodnight, all!
August 13th, 2007 at 1:28 amYep! Lady Z, all it take’s is believing in magic
Magic is but methods unlearned. To reenact your unused DNA lie still on a bed and visualize an orb of light, have it circle your body from head to toe, and ask for DNA activation. It make take seveal tries. But when you get it right, its like being on a vibrating bed, except when you jump off the bed you find it out its you. Kinda like a quickening. It will dissipate in 30 minutes to an hour.
Scared the bejeebies out of me cause I didn’t have any to tell me what would happen =)
And now I go Astro Traveling! Some strange worlds out there!
August 13th, 2007 at 1:33 amAugust 13th, 2007 at 1:38 am
Yep. Congrats, TP. YOu suck.
Long post ate by TP, for no damn reason.
AND my posting information was removed!
August 13th, 2007 at 1:41 amO’Hanlon and Pollack in writing this op-ed have seriously damaged their credibility. Bush and Cheney are naive if they think one op-ed based in fantasy can change the minds of a majority of Americans who want to get out of Iraq.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:49 amCan anyone explain the O’Hanlon and Pollack op ed. I thought these guys were objective journalists. Turns out they’ve supported the war all along.
To come out as anti-war guys supporting the surge puts me in an alternate universe where I Just Hate To Be.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:53 amI knew this was all BS from the start. They where touring a tiny, temporarily cleansed location with paid Iraqis saying what they were told to say. even then, these sorry excuses for journalists, these presstitutes had to be completely surrounded by heavily armed troops and wear flack jackets.
If they really wanted to show progress in this propaganda fashion, why did they not film this on a lot in Burbank? Then they could have shown journalists walking freely, sans-flack jacket in stars and stripes T shirts walking on a carpet of rose petals, being feted by grateful Iraqis.
I will believe that things are improving in Iraq the day that Bill O Reilly walks down any main road in Baghdad in a stars and stripes T shirt and doesn’t get shot!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:11 amGonzo’s been in Iraq. Why can’t he just take a casual stroll down Main Street, sans body armor and security?
Yeah, Gonzo. Sheets to the wind! Take a jog!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:19 amGonzo just looks like he would look better in a burka . . . and it just makes me laugh to picture him running down the streets of Baghdad in a burka.
hee . . .
August 13th, 2007 at 4:25 amKARL ROVE HAS SENT IN HIS RESIGNATION!
Said its for family reasons. Effective August 31st.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:05 amSharon was right with the new moon. Exit Karl. Can he be indicted now?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 amChange of topic . . . just because the topic just arose.
Just yesterday, qestions were raised, on this website: Who is Karl Rove? What are his financial interests? What are his family’s financial interests? What are their criminal records? What are their holdings and liabilities?
24 Hours later, he announces his resignation.
Coincidence? Possibly. One way or another good news. But anyone with the time and the resources . . . .investigate. You’ve got Westlaw, look up leans and creditors, look up criminal convictions and anything else your creative mind can imagine. For him, his wife, his kids, parents, siblings, yardman. He would do no less for you.
Maybe he’s clean as a toothpick. No harm checking. Something stinks here.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:31 amRove should have been dragged out in Shackles.
That’s ok.
Treason charges don’t go away.
Just like War Crimes.
He has his whole life (avoiding prosecution) to look foreword to.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:41 amI presume we’ll get a thorough retraction from the NYT and improved standards from now on.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:49 amRove is cutting and running from a war he helped sell the American people and his excuse is because he wants to be with his family. Does this mean our soldiers get to go be with their families as well?
August 13th, 2007 at 6:50 amCutting and Running should be used over and over to describe what this coward is doing.
Why should we the American people expect ANYTHING different than a “choreographed” visit by “a vocal war critic [NOT!]” from the Pentagon brass? Doesn’t anyone remember the taged “spontaneous” discussion between Shrub and troops in Iraq, where a DepAsstSecDef first told the troops what questions were to be put to them, and who should anwer each question and how? Doesn’t anyone remember “Five Rugs for Five Bucks” under the cover of a company of Rangers and two attack helicopters?
This Administration and its new General Lackey (Petraeus) can be counted on to give us a glowing report of overwhelming “surge” success in September. The fact that the evidence for said success will be staged is a given from the man who stuffed a sock in his flight suit and stood in front of a banner (later blamed on the sailors) saying “mission accomplished”…before the IED campaign began.
As to Rove, I just heard that he has resigned. Is it because the heat is rising too high from Congress, or did “Twit” Romeny’s victory in the Iowa Straw Poll, the only election event in America where the winner is the one who buys the most votes, mean that Satan’s spawn is moving to help Twit be our new George Bush?
August 13th, 2007 at 6:50 am“Rove Cuts and Runs” should be the header for this mornings first story.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:54 amThis Administration and its new General Lackey (Petraeus)
When you say “administration” you of course mean the POTUS and the democrats who praised and then confirmed Petraeus with glowing accolades?
You are a dumbass, you KNOW you are a dumbass and now, so do we.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:56 amOk, we need at least one more post with clapture including his witty “cut and run” comment, just in case there are some out there who didnt notice how insightfully funny he can be.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:58 amWe don’t want Rove to cut and run, we want his lard butt in a jail cell.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:50 amThe republicans feel Hilary, Barak, and Edwards are the best people they’d want to see as president if they can’t get a republican. That’s why they’re dream opponents. MSM is just looking for those who they can corrupt through lobby money and extra airtime. Uncorruptable candidates that are against the war will get little airtime. The exception is Ron Paul, but he is for uncontrolled, raging profit mongers, no taxes for the rich, and no benefits for the poor. It wouldn’t take long for the profit mongers to turn him around to the benefits of endless wars. Ron Paul is the ideal candidate for the rich. Take away benefits from the poor and make them dependent on a military salary while giving the rich a free ride on our backs and let the contractors suck the wealth of this nation without any oversight.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:15 pmHe’s a healthy young guy — let him sign up! :0
August 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI have given up NYT years ago. It is a paper of propaganda, distortion and manipulation. It is DEFINITELY worse than Goebbles.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:49 pmMy oh My, Yet another John McCain style walk in the park in Iraq.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:08 amIts incredible, that these propagandists are so self absorbed, they can’t get it through their pointed little heads, that only the willfully and
terminally brain dead believe 1 word of their 2 bit propaganda. As
has been normal since the rape of Iraq began back in the 90’s, No
honest person has ever believed a single word of any of the lies and
excuses for occupying a almost totally defenseless country. From
the outright lies regarding WMD, to the incredible bullshit we had
to endure about “spreading democracy” at the end of a gun, to the
now threadbare excuse of, fight them there, rather than fight them
here, the bullcacca is near chin deep. Is it too late to come clean, and
just admit it has always been about securing the Iraqi Oilfields for
the Western Nations, and Oil Oligarchs? The truth will set us all free.
There is just damned little truth to go around now days. Had the Iraq
Invasion been handled properly, the 15 years of propaganda and
military preparation would have paid off quite nicely. Had the US done
the right thing vis a vis the Iraqi people, they really would have
welcomed us with flowers and candies. Sheer greed destroyed the
entire project, that took near 2 decades to formulate and execute.
Of course now this mouthpiece comes out and admits he was always
escorted by the military, and only saw what they wanted to see. But
then 75% of the American people already knew that. Only the willfully
blind, and accomplishes to the farce still want to hear these sort of lies.
I guess if it helps them sleep better, then his “fact finding” trip was a
huge success. The truth is, we could have purchased every drop of oil
in Iraq, and still come out ahead. The Iraq occupation will cost a cool
Trillion Dollars by the time its over. And the perpaTraitors will have
made themselves monstrously rich. The damage the war has done to
our political well being, and our standing with the rest of the World is
in the toilet. Dr Goebbels had a name for people like this creature. He
referred to them as “rear area swine”. A rather fitting jacket. He indeed
supports the rape of Iraq, but isn’t willing to do the raping. He leaves
that for others. The Surge is a huge success. The number of dead
Iraqis has gone up by at least 30 to 40%. So how can one imply its
a failure? The Surge has indeed reached its objective of more and more
dead Iraqis. Isn’t that what it was suppose to do? To think otherwise
is pure vanity, and self deception.