WaPo: Court twice said Bush wiretapping program was illegal.
WaPo: Court twice said Bush wiretapping program was illegal.
Last week, Congress caved to White House pressure, passing an expansion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that moved the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program “out from under any real legal restrictions. Before the vote, House Minority Leader John Boehner revealed a secret opinion by the FISA court that declared part of the administration’s program illegal was central to rush to reform the law. The Washington Post adds more details today about the fight over the law, including the revelation that there were actually two court rulings against the program:
But in a secret ruling in March, a judge on a special court empowered to review the government’s electronic snooping challenged for the first time the government’s ability to collect data from such wires even when they came from foreign terrorist targets. In May, a judge on the same court went further, telling the administration flatly that the law’s wording required the government to get a warrant whenever a fixed wire is involved. [...]
The rulings — which were not disclosed publicly until the congressional debate this month — represented an unusual rift between the court and the U.S. intelligence community. They led top intelligence officials to conclude, a senior official said, that “you can’t tell what this court is going to do” and helped provoke the White House to insist that Congress essentially strip the court of any jurisdiction over U.S. surveillance of communications between foreigners.
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Those darned "activist judges"! What the heck are they trying to do? Apply the Constitution to the actions of the Executive Branch or something?
August 12th, 2007 at 2:39 pmIndeed, what is the US coming to when a Court full of lawyers trained in the law, and one that rarely if ever says no to any government request, says no not once but twice over something that is well clearly illegal? The nerve.
I must say, I thank the Democrats for coming to W's resuce and keeping us safe. As I'm sure they remember, W always thought being a dictator would be easier than being president, especially if he's the dictator. With just a little more help from our fearless Democratic leadership, he'll get his wish. Seems all we'll be left with is the 'unitary executive.'
Welcome to the new land of the not so free, home of the not so brave.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pmNo. 2, so when you're phone is tapped by the next administration (or the one after that) and your life turned upside down, don't cry about it. That's so what. This is a "system" of government, not one man rule. And if you and yours think it is one man rule, rest assured, you're man won't be on top forever. You reap what you sow and right now what y'all are planting ain't going to go down smooth. Get to sucking.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pmGood post, po. I think the Democrats want to make sure that GDumbya has enough rope to hang himself. I would expect that the excesses of his administration will quickly be remedied after he is back in Crawford (or Paraguay) for good.
Now that this little squabble is behind them, I hope that Congress will return to the issue of GDumbya's dirty little war in Iraq next month. It is time to bring our troops home.
After they're done with that, Congress can take up the matter of impeaching Darth Cheney and GDumbya. After all, somebody has to do the people's business -- we sure can't expect it to be this presi-dunce or his VP.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThank God, bush can spy on America. Anyone who has nothing to hide, shouldn't care about his stupid Consitutional rights.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pmMed, son, you need meds.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmCan't wait til Hillary is President and starts spying on my right wing ass.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI surrender all my 4th Amendment rights to President George Karl Cheney. Please search my home; no warrant required, because I have Islamo-fascists hiding under my bed.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:58 pmSee ya on the playground, chump.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:58 pmBush can spy on America. NO SPY.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWhy the trolls such wussies. Keyboard soldiers in a lost cause. See you suckers in 2008. Boo-Yah.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pmComments from blogger Joe Cannon on the new law:
"The new law permits warrant-free eavesdropping on foreign-domestic conversations. But guess what? So did the 1978 law.
"The update gives Gonzales the ability to initiate warrant-free wiretaps. But guess what? So did the 1978 law.
"People who have never read the Act keep spreading the rumor that it allows Alberto Gonzales to listen in on all electronic communications without a warrant. That is simply not true. Virtually everyone, left or right, who has read the law will confirm this point."
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/08/have-we-been-played.html
August 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pmSo what?
you know if it was vice versa, any repug freak mind came up to us and say: aye u illicit hypocritz youre all a bunch of lousy criminals
August 12th, 2007 at 3:00 pm16: But under the 1978 law you had the oversight of an independent 3rd party-Court. Now the Executive polices itself, which can breed corruption in any administration (and is probably unconstitutional, anyway. Just cause they pass a law, doesn't mean it's consititutional).
August 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pm# 11. Neither can we.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:03 pmSo what?
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 12, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Exactly. 911 changed everything! Now Americans will just have to give up their privacy crap to keep safe.
Keeping safe trumps civil liberties even if it is for the rest of our lives. However long it takes, a police state is better than an unsafe state.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmPlease, please please . . . let cheney/trancredo be the g.o.p ticket.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:08 pmROTFLMAO
yeah wingnutters, those freedoms you so willingly relinquish in the name of Bush your God Boy, all that power to illegally spy on YOU will be used by DEMOCRATS who can then use those powers against you.
Pay attention, or at least try to. Blatant violation of the Constitution, Loss of freedom are NOT PARTISAN ISSUES.
Be careful what you wish for.
I don't want ANY President to have "unitary power" I don't want ANY President be able to void Habeus Corpus! Or torture or participate in war profiteering or placing his puppets in positions of power to enforce his own PERSONAL agenda. His oath requires him to act for WE THE PEOPLE.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:09 pmStop putting PARTY before COUNTRY and act like an American.
Our forefathers were stupid. Fighting for freedom and liberty and all that stuff sounds good in textbooks and in songs, but in real life staying safe is all thats important.
We have to keep safe don't we? Being safe trumps everything.
Thats why we're brave and you people and your stupid civil liberties are just cowards.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSonny Red: Whatcha goin do, when they come for you?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:09 pmCT: Ready to give up your 2nd Amendment rights? watcha goin' do, when they come for you?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:11 pmCT_Version 2 - We have to keep safe don’t we
ignorant wreched squirmbag
change your dictotaors foreign policy then , its easier , safer and cheaper
August 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmTP......Please do something about these f*cking trolls.. Their shit is getting SO deep around here that you need wings to stay above it. TP is becoming nothing less than a recihwing blog site ...unless these f*ckwads are banned!
August 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmA real American would die protecting the Constitution, rather than wimper like a frightened little trollie-boy, hoping that some dictator will protect him. You trollie boys are sick little wussies. We don't need your kind in America.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmTP Im finished these guys are too much
In fact its just one guy probably , posting under diferent name
August 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThats just stupid and I shouldn't even respond to it. Our second ammendment rights are not in question. Good upstanding Americans who support the President need guns to protect the homeland as a last line of defense from you libtards and your AL Queada buddies.
Keeping safe means keeping guns.
Keeping safe means getting rid of civil liberties and everyone towing the line.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmthis is not TP ... its a battle field
August 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmBye folks this troll attack by this one wacko troll has been a nightmare
August 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmTP……Please do something about these f*cking trolls.. Their shit is getting SO deep around here that you need wings to stay above it. TP is becoming nothing less than a recihwing blog site …unless these f*ckwads are banned!
umm.. so you support censorship?
how about you debate them and shut them down with your knowledge on the issues? rather then just scream Mommy they're picking on me...
August 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pmWith their shocking surrender over President Bush's draconian new FISA law, Congressional Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They not only had the votes to safeguard American civil liberties and prevent the legalization of past Bush White House criminality. On FISA as we knew it before August 5, 2007, Democrats had the law - and public opinion - on their side.
For the details, see:
August 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pm"Democrats Snatch Defeat from Jaws of Victory on FISA."
CT: Sadly, your america is not my America. People like you should be on watch list. How about that for protecting your civil liberties?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGeorgie’s presidency is illegal too.
That’s why the ballots in Ohio were destroyed.
Comment by Keith H. — August 12, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
So?
Elections are not that important. Who knows what the vote count really is anyway? Elections are something they do in 3rd world countries to make the population feel better. The fact is America needs the best and strongest leaders available to fend off the deadly Al Quaeda and that means strong conservative leadership. Elections are unnecessary and you'll soon find that out.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:18 pmCT: Sadly, your america is not my America. People like you should be on watch list. How about that for protecting your civil liberties?
Comment by TrollshatetheUSA — August 12, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I'm a registered republican. That automatically precludes me from being on a watchlist because they know I support the President and his policies.
Its you libs who are on the watch lists.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pmWe have to keep safe don’t we? Being safe trumps everything.
And the fearful men constructed a wall, high and thick, reinforced with steel above and below ground, Safe they said! Then they put cameras on every corner and in every room to be safe they said. And then they said we must be less free in our safe area and created free speech zones. Safe they cried Safe! But still they had fear of a few men, even though they had nuclear weapons and the finest equipment, so they tapped the phones and rifled thru the mail.
Still we are not safe enough they cried in panic! The built a dome, high and strong with radar guided missiles and lasers. We are nearly safe! They got rid of cars for they crashed and were unsafe, they got rid of planes for they existed in a bubble. They outlawed unsafe cigarettes. They outlawed liquor, for it was unsafe. They outlawed birds, cats and dogs for they could possibly carry unsafe disease.
And when they finished their safe world and finally felt safe from all that might possibly harm them. They looked around and they cried.
God, we have built a prison!!
August 12th, 2007 at 3:25 pmcomment by old hack; Why not? Liberals sure as hell can't post ANYTHING antiwar/antiBush at right-wings sites without their posts being deleted and banned from any further posting. Turnabout IS fair play. What's good for the goose....
August 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSafe: Thanks.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHere is a proposal that should please one and all. Anyone who wants to permanently relinquish their constitutional rights feel free to do so. “Sort of like a reverse do not call listâ€. I suspect that not even the hilarious trolls here would "patriotically"sign up for it since it is everyone else that they want to spy on.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pm"The fact is America needs the best and strongest leaders available to fend off the deadly Al Quaeda and that means strong conservative leadership. Elections are unnecessary and you’ll soon find that out."
"You know it my brother. I suggested a while back providing liberals with lapel badges to identify them in the streets. It will make it easier to round them up when the time comes."
Comment by CT_Version 2
- A slavish, dog-like obedience to authority;
- A willingness to mimic any talking point;
- A willingness to change any opinion you hold at the drop of the President’s hat;
- A contempt for those who challenge you on any point.
I do believe you've nailed all four "tells" for trollish behavior.
Congrats.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pmWassup, bro?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:29 pmGod, we have built a prison!!
Comment by Safe — August 12, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Yea touching.
But the fact is better a prison than a dangerous environment.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmThe world has officially gone wacko.
CT King Of Irony and Parody.
Heckuva Job! [you had me going for a bit]
Reminds me much of Joe Sixpack!
August 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmBecuase a prison is not a dangerous enviornment?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmummm…. I know I have heard of a program like that before….
……. but where?
Oh well, I agree!!!!!!!
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 12, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Well I might have borrowed some of that from history, but the fact is Hitler may have been a bad man, (he hated liberals so how bad could he be?) but he had efficient methods. And the fact is making liberals wear id badges to identify them, maybe a little blue badge with a donkey on it, will cut down on the issues when Bush gives us the word.
Theres more of them than us, so identifying them quickly is critical to a quick and orderly internment.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:33 pmBut the fact is better a prison than a dangerous environment.
Comment by CT_Version 2
I don't think a prisoner would agree with that.
Plus, prisoners cant drive cars or drinkor chase women, and well you'd have to destroy capitalism to make it so.
And Capitalism, as you know, is what made America.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:34 pm"better a prison than a dangerous environment."
Comment by CT_Version 2
The most dangerous environment is your reptilian mindset.
I'll bet you get lots of dates with that spiel. *snerk!*
August 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOur forefathers ALSO SAIDâ€TOO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR A LITTLE SECURITY,THEN WE DESERVE NEITHER!
Comment by GoTFREEDUMB? — August 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Actually it was YOUR forefather, the traitor known as Ben Franklin that said that.
And it was as wrong and treasoness then as it is today.
Americans know safety means conforming to what our leaders tell us. And Bush says he needs to listen to our calls, then I am all for it. If it will let me live one more day, then its worth it.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pm53â˜:)
August 12th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTheres more of them than us, so identifying them quickly is critical to a quick and orderly internment.
Comment by CT_Version 2
File this one under "too much time spent in the basement."
August 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmPlus, prisoners cant drive cars or drinkor chase women,
Comment by Safe — August 12, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Good. All things you libtards don't need to do. You can read the bible and study the words of great men like George W Bush and Dick Cheney and learn something.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:38 pmGod bless you CT, for telling us what we need to survive the islamofascists under our beds.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:39 pmFile this one under “too much time spent in the basement.â€
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
The basement is where your libtard butt is going to find itself. The basement of one of our liberal internment camps. Keep yapping. I'm saving your words for your interrogaters.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmposts are reaching 800 - 1200 posts per thread
these nutcase trolls HAVE ruined TP
THE ONLY WAY IS TO IGNORE THEM
August 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmGod bless you CT, for telling us what we need to survive the islamofascists under our beds.
Comment by CT-KingofIrony — August 12, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Oh he does KingoIrony.
He does.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pm"And Capitalism, as you know, is what made America."
Comment by Safe
That would be liberals - without "liberal" unions, there would be no middle class, and without "liberal" health and safety laws, employers would treat workers as no more than extensions of the tools they use, and just as disposable - ignoring the fact that it is the workers who keep their profit margins so high by their labors, and their ingenuity.
Capitolism has been both a boon and a blight on America.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThe NSA contractor checklists, used to violate FISA, pre-date these FISA changes. If the checklists are missing, how are the NSA contractors able to do their work?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI’m saving your words for your interrogaters.
Comment by CT_Version 2
I'm shakin' - with laughter, at you, 23% -er.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pmCT your crazy.
Just look at the GOP today. They are neo-liberals. The fact is Capitalism creates liberalism.
And BTW, I see your code-word liberal means gay, drug user, on welfare.
I am none of those. Don't confuse a political ideology with morals because I can point to many an amoral conservative.
Its just a name.
Sheesh, the TV has done a brainjob on you.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmIt is easy to fight for ones principles it is much harder to live up to them.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmOn no, not the dreaded "basement". God help us all.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmYou can read the bible and study the words of great men like George W Bush and Dick Cheney and learn something.
Comment by CT_Version 2
mmm...ok.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI will proudly wear my yellow liberal-ID patch, so I can snitch on all my
August 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmrelatives and friends. I can't wait for the new America. At least, I'll be safe, I think.
The courts are not the only ones who told Bush the illegal wiretapping program was illegal. TWO Attorney Generals told him that it was illegal as did the director of the FBI.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmCapitolism has been both a boon and a blight on America.
Comment by barfly
I concur. We saw the results of the robber barons during the industrial age.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAnd who will I call when they come for me?
August 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmWho in Congress, DOJ, EOP, OVP and GOP are leaking the secret prcceedings of the FISA Court? It looks as though teh FISA Court proceedings are known to the NSA contractors. Someone has some explaning to do why the FISA COurt has been gagged from discuccing these leaks; and whyt he FISA Court is not able to ban all NSA Contractors, DoJ personnel, and legal counsel involved with these leaks. Either these are real leaks which have not been investiated, as they should; or the WH-Congress are joinly relying on the FISA Court wall to assert false things.
Governance is based on leadership, not incorrect information. This is an integrity issue about Congress and the Executive Branch. Someone has some explaning to do. Who in OIPR knows; and what it the DOJ OPR review status of these leaks? Need some answers by 9:45AM EST Monday.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI will proudly wear my yellow liberal-ID patch, so I can snitch on all my
relatives and friends. I can’t wait for the new America. At least, I’ll be safe, I think.
Comment by CT-KingofIrony — August 12, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
You most certainly well. You're one of the few. The "good" liberals, who understand your role in life.
You will be fine.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThe fact is, FISA is perfectly legal and provides the tools need to fight IslamoFascism, without infringing on the rights of real Americans.
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 12, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
"Real Americans" don't need rights.
Real Americans do as they're told.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:50 pmSafe
They are not neo-liberal. They are neocons. They chose the label, it fits them, they get that label.
Liberalism is about freedom, the freedom to question, the freedom to think, and the freedom to tell your government what you want of it.
Neocons on the other hand are about repression, depression and all around opression. They are about repressing dissenting views, depressing the economy and opressing the intellegent.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:50 pmDid you notice the FISA Act update? The original list was 60+ pages; the final list was 10+ pages. There were many unecessary items in the original list; yet the WH presented it that way. THey're lying to attempt to create some legal shields for the NSA Contractors involved with the FISA violations. THe problem: The NSA Contractor checklists pre-date the FISA Act updates. They do not match: NSA Contractors were already doing what the changes requested long before the changes were lawful. In your FOIA, ask for the date the NSA procedures were approved and implemented by the NSA contractors.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pm"... and study the words of great men like George W Bush and Dick Cheney."
Oh! this could be a separate thread topic:
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me... Won't get fooled again!
Or how about Cheney's sage advice, "F*ck you!"
And who could ever forget:
"We know Saddam has significant stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons..."
August 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmFISA is legal as based it was based on a third party courts observation that is above "political partisianship." What was approved with Gonzo and McConnell republican appointees that can now eavesdrop on anyone "reasonably presumed" to have terrorist connections is as completely illegal as it is vague. This is similar to his torture legislation where he told the CIA not to torture but let it up to the President to determine what torture was when it would have been easier to say the CIA has to uphold to the standards of the Geneva Convention.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pmLibTroLLKKKiller is right: Let's start spying on those "fake" Americans.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:52 pmWe need to protect the father . . . er, homeland.
“… and study the words of great men like George W Bush and Dick Cheney.â€
AND THE MOTHER OF ALL STUPID WORDS EVER SPOKEN IS THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
August 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Real Americans†don’t need rights.
Real Americans do as they’re told.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmBruce, Safe...I dont think the vast majority of people is neocon. THey are sheeple. Current admin is not conservative, although there must be a lot of people thinking, well, Im not going to switch even if they lie me about a terrible threat...
Stupid people are so easily misled that neocons, technocrats, and all the enablers dont need too much in order to convince people of certain things. You just have to watch Borat in order to know this.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:55 pmCT_Version 2
CT-KingofIrony
LibTrOLLKKKiller
Are actually the same guy with the split personality disorder
August 12th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAND THE MOTHER OF ALL STUPID WORDS EVER SPOKEN IS THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 12, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Thats NOT DICK CHENEY!!! It CAN"T BE!!!!
You guys did that in photo shop!!!
August 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmROFL
I see CTv2 is being a super parody today. I wonder who stole his name? Only guys like Ralph/AKA Mr. P/AKA whatever retarded moniker he is using today would be saying dumb sh!t like that.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:57 pmA symphony of lies.
Great video.
August 12th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou can read the bible and study the words of great men like George W Bush and Dick Cheney and learn something.
Comment by CT_Version 2
I know the Bible. I am a Christian. The reason I don't support the neo-cons today is because they are not Christian. The try to create a false reality, The see themselves as wise men to lead the masses thru fibbs.
I meant neo-liberal in the monarchial/dictatorial sense Bruce.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmYes, “reasonably presumed†are the weasel words that make the rest meaningless. At this late date, only a died-in-the-wool partisan would believe that this program (just like every other Bush administration program, past and present) hasn't and isn't being used for political purposes. They literally cannot act without a political payoff of some sort.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmIF it wasn't for the stupid constitution, we' have all of you traitors rounded up by now. But don't worry, we've got people working on that right now.
The preisdent has the right to order NSA to listen to ANY phone call, anytime anywhere he wants. The president IS the law, and you can't do spit about it. Spying on Americans is important to keeping us safe.
Being safe trumps all else.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI know the Bible. I am a Christian. The reason I don’t support the neo-cons today is because they are not Christian. The try to create a false reality, The see themselves as wise men to lead the masses thru fibbs.
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
We ARE the wise men and we will lead you through. In the end you'll thank us. Just like the Iraqi's need us to tell them what to do, so do the stupid liberals. Your problem is you haven't learned how to shut up and get in line. But don't worry, we'll help you with that too.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:03 pmRemember, inside of every Iraqi is an American trying to get out, and inside of every American is a republican, trying to get out.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pm"Being safe trumps all else."
Comment by CT_Version 2
Judging from the smell, I'd say your "safety" is in doubt.
That means you're now in danger -- of a really nasty leak, if you don't head upstairs soon, and change that pad.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:07 pmYour problem is you haven’t learned how to shut up and get in line. But don’t worry, we’ll help you with that too.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Somebody is watching TRON.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:07 pmBeing safe trumps all else.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Hell, we cant even stop illegal aliens form digging tunnels under the border. I understand SIGINT CT V2 and all about the various programs used to intercept those communications. We can track a Cow for birth to barn to store and we still can't track illegals or Saudi students!!
I suggest they work on those issues besides this old wire tapping crap thats been going on for decades. Nixon did it as well.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:08 pmAnd inside of every Republic is a hypocrit, yearning to be understood.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:08 pmTRUE!!!
Comment by LibTrOLLKKKiller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 12, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
I know its true thats why I said it.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:09 pmJuan C
The vast majority of people are unaligned. They just don't think about politics in a real, concrete way.
This is in part because of a successful movement to make politics a taboo subject of discussion, much like Religion is a taboo subject (If to a lesser extent.)
For 20 years, Americans have been fed the line that all sources of communication have a liberal bias.
Another, tactic has been the "Missing white girl" or "Rich white girl in trouble" tactic of trivialising the news with stuff nobody cares about.
Both tactics are designed to turn people away from ready sources of information. No question as to why academics who study history, sociology or any other subject which has an impact on human behaviour vote along liberal lines, because ultimately, the answers are not attractive for the conservative movement.
The fact is that even Conservatisms heroes, were bad presidents. While the worst president the Democrats elected was Jimmy Carter, about the best the rightwing elected was Ronald Reagan.
Jimmy Carter's major positive move was averting a disaster on 3-Mile Island. Ronald Reagan's major success, was happening to be the guy in power when Communism ultimately collapsed. The former was an indication of administrative ability, the latter was a quirk of historic timing.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:10 pm"and inside of every American is a republican, trying to get out."
Comment by CT_Version 2
But thankfully, society views these closet cases as treatable, under the proper conditions...
August 12th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThen leave. I am on topic. It doens't matter if the program is illegal. The president doesn't have to follow any stupid laws if hes trying to keep us safe.
We must be safe so spying on hundreds of millions of Americans is necessary.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:12 pmLaws or for little people. The President is the boss. He makes the laws. He decides what is legal. And anyone who doubts that should be put in jail.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWe ARE the wise men and we will lead you through.
Your projecting, WISE MAN, Many members of my family have served. My Father called himself a Republican. Your talking crazy stuff and know nothing about me.
Im a Sovereign American. Sovereign like my Lord Jesus. I follow no political group. And need no one to put me in 'line.'
If anyone needs to be put in line ITS YOU!
August 12th, 2007 at 4:15 pmSomeday a fever will come and take these enemies of Liberty and America. Vaccine for Patriots only - the authoritarians can wither and succumb.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pmLet's see. g.o.p presidents in the last 100 years or so. Well, you had T.R. and he was good. Then Harding, Coolidge and Hoover, not exactly "murderers row". How about Eisenhower, he was OK, then Nixon (we won't talk about him), Ford (Eh?), Reagan, Bush One (read my lips) and his C student screw-up son, Bush Two.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:17 pmCompared with Wilson, FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton One.
I would suggest that the Democrats have had a stronger, more consistent lineup and got the job done more than the Republics.
Would TP or some responsible adult please give this skin headed adolecent his med's before his head bllow's up...I just hate watching a rabid little troll running in circles, chewing on his own tail and looking for his beloved boss...Sad realy that these type's no longer get the mental health they desperately need...Blessings
August 12th, 2007 at 4:20 pmSAFE
They aren't actually neoliberal under the classical sense either. Neoliberalism is basically true libertarianism, it holds that government should interfere with the free market, and should minimise its interference in society in general.
The neoliberal movement, could best be described as the economists' version of the anarchist movement. They work out to being about the same pipe dream.
The Neocon movement on the other hand, while publically voicing support of a free market, also call for massive government intervention in people's private lives, the elimination of free speech, the weakening of social freedoms and the promotion of a state religion (Namely whatever brand of Christianity they themselves follow.)
They are much closer to the classical fascist movement then the neoliberal movement.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmMany members of my family have served. My Father called himself a Republican.
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Well he may have called himself a republican but he couldn't have been much of one if he raised you.
And as for serving the country?
It doesn't count if you come home and talk liberal bulls#@t.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSad realy that these type’s no longer get the mental health they desperately need…Blessings
Comment by Sharon — August 12, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Sharon you seem like a nice lady but if you support the liberals then you are a traitor and will be jailed like the rest. I'd hate to see that happen to you so why not just shut up and get in line now before its too late?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pmAny soldier claiming to serve his country and then comes home and votes with the liberals is a traitor too and his service is wiped out by his liberal support.
ANY soldier.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd as for serving the country? It doesn’t count if you come home and talk liberal bulls#@t. Comment by CT_Version 2
Define Liberal. And I don't mean the Limbaugh chickenhawk codeword version.
You trolls got some fecked up idea about political ideologies.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDefine Liberal..
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Gladly.
Anyone who won't support the President.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:27 pmAnyone who won’t support the President.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
That would be just about the entire world. (except 25% of Amerikkka) Even Putin is more trusted to do the right thing than Bush by our allies.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:29 pmAnyone who won’t support the President.
Comment by CT_Version 2
So Sen. Hegel is a liberal?
That's probably news to him.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:31 pmThat would be just about the entire world. (except 25% of Amerikkka) Even Putin is more trusted to do the right thing than Bush by our allies.
Comment by Dick Stalin Cheney — August 12, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Which is why its so important to spy on everyone. Real patriots are getting few and far between. But don't worry. Once we send in the troops and the tanks to your precious liberal cities and towns, you'll like us.
Like us or find your butt in gitmo.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:31 pmANY soldier. Comment by CT_Version 2
I have no idea where you get all this conspiratorial BS. It reminds me of the MUFONS who think politicians are all reptilians. Its nutso.
Where do you read the sheet your repeating?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWhich is why its so important to spy on everyone. Real patriots are getting few and far between. But don’t worry. Once we send in the troops and the tanks to your precious liberal cities and towns, you’ll like us.
Like us or find your butt in gitmo.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Yawn, shouldn't you be playing "Left Behind" or something?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:32 pmOur forefathers fled oppression in Europe and came here to build a free and democratic America. Anyone that disagrees, should be locked up.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWe must take away your rights to keep you free.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnyone who won’t support the President.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Like you supported Clinton?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:33 pmFreedom is Slavery.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmLike us or find your butt in gitmo.
Comment by CT_Version 2
As if you wouldn't find yourself there as well. You aren't one of "their kind," dear, no matter how wacky you sound. You weren't born into the lucky sperm club, so you're also one of "us."
August 12th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhere do you read the sheet your repeating?
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Its not a read. Its from the heart.
Something you liberal traitors will never understand. WHen Bush acts he doens't waste time thinking about every little move. He acts from the heart, which is why he's so successful at stopping the bad guys.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmReport ALL Supicious Activity
August 12th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAs if you wouldn’t find yourself there as well. You aren’t one of “their kind,†dear, no matter how wacky you sound. You weren’t born into the lucky sperm club, so you’re also one of “us.â€
Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
That confuses me.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:36 pmmy god the trolls talking to himself - have fun troll -bye
August 12th, 2007 at 4:36 pmBoehner should be in handcuffs for revealing classified information on national television. He broke the law.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:37 pmOnce we send in the troops and the tanks to your precious liberal cities and towns, you’ll like us.
I live in Red State Texas. Where we drink beer after church! Where we blow up stuff in the woods for the hell of it. Wooooooooo! Where we tip cows and drive pick up trucks. Where we go to them liberal topless bars that are all across texas!
Bring your tanks and your friends, it'll be just like home.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmLike you supported Clinton?
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Clinton wasn't the president he was just keeping the seat warm.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI live in Red State Texas. Where we drink beer after church! Where we blow up stuff in the woods for the hell of it. Wooooooooo! Where we tip cows and drive pick up trucks. Where we go to them liberal topless bars that are all across texas!
Comment by SAFE — August 12, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Well you sound alright. Do you support the President with all your heart, mind, body and strenght, and covenent to never, ever disobey him no matter what?
If so, then welcome brother. You have acheived the dream.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pmClinton would have taken the August 2001 briefing more seriously than Bush did. He wouldn't have sat for 7 minutes as planes were crashing into the towers.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThou shalt have no other god, but bush.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:40 pmBoehner should resign as minority leader and his seat. Congress should investigate him and remove him from office. He broke the law.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:41 pmClinton would have taken the August 2001 briefing more seriously than Bush did. He wouldn’t have sat for 7 minutes as planes were crashing into the towers.
Comment by Probus — August 12, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Bush sat there because he didn't want to upset the little kids.
Kids get scared when men in suits stand up suddenly. Don't you libs know anything?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmThat confuses me.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Hes saying you aint no Harvard Yale Ivey League Establishment type.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pmDumb founded.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:45 pmYeah, bush didn't want to scare the kids and what's seven minutes, anyway, it's not like we need someone who's intelligent, with quick, accurate decision-making capabilities. Geez.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmBush got scared when they told him 2 planes had collided into the towers. So he kept sitting. The true test of a leader is how he reacts in a national crisis. Bush failed.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmSpying on Americans without warrants will not prevent any attacks.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:47 pmAnd you know the president set the example there when he sat still for 7 minutes after learning the country was under attack.
Suppose everyone had just followed his lead? Then people wouldn't have been panicking so much. The towers could have just fallen and burned up and people could have went on with their normal daily routines unencumbered by all the commotion. Later that night street sweepers could have went in and cleanred up the mess and we could have went on with our lives without everyone worrying about the people in the towers or the pentagon. We could have just focused our attention on the middle east from the get go, and we might be occupying Tehran right now instead of just Baghdad.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThe President showed great courage by sitting there for 7 minutes listening to the little children read. A weaker man like Clinton or Gore would have panicked and wanted to go back to the White House to try and do something to help.
Bush knew better.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBush used 9-11 for political gain. He used it to justify his invasion of Iraq. Iraq had no WMDs and there was no connection to bin Laden or the attacks of 9-11.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmEverything about this administration has been illegal from the first election on.....Look's like the insane are the only one's still backing the dictatorship...Guess they don't know the majority own gun's and know how to use them...That's what happen's to the nazi type's, they can't focus cause they have to be told what to do and who to follow...Good luck with that..."you can't fix stupid" and only med's can fix skitso troll's....Back under the bed..
August 12th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWe could have just focused our attention on the middle east from the get go, and we might be occupying Tehran right now instead of just Baghdad.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Why should we by occupying Tehran or Baghdad?
August 12th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWhy should we by occupying Tehran or Baghdad?
Comment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
To help them become more like us.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:53 pmBush led us into a war of choice for oil. Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism. He let bin Laden go.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pmAnd when we're done with Tehran and Baghdad we can get to work on Paris.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThe President showed great courage by sitting there for 7 minutes listening to the little children read. A weaker man like Clinton or Gore would have panicked and wanted to go back to the White House to try and do something to help.
Bush knew better.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
I agree but I personally think the president should have stayed there for several days to show us how courageous he was. By staying there for only seven minutes, I would only call him slightly courageous.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWe need wiretaps.
If the president wanted to get around the consitution as long as it was to keep my family safe why should i care???
Seriously folks I know they did some illegal stuff but do we really care?
America was a nice idea and all but surely our founding fathers know we gotta keep safe.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmTo help them become more like us.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
That would turn them against us.
August 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmIf the president wanted to get around the consitution as long as it was to keep my family safe why should i care???
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Coward.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWhy? Because I want to stay safe?
You guys are the cowards because you are afraid of giving up our civil liberties to be kept safe by the President.
He's proved his ability to keep us safe and now we need to do whatever he says so he can continue. Being safe takes precedent over any bs constitutional rights. The constitution don't mean squat over the Presidents commands.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe spying bill violates the Bill of Rights.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThey who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBenjamin Franklin
If he wants he can just write a new constitution and theres nothing anyone can do about it.
Real Americans want the government listening to their phone calls.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmThe spying bill violates the Bill of Rights.
Comment by Probus — August 12, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
The Bill of Rights gets in the way of the president ability to keep us all safe.
We'll give you a new bill of rights.
Article 1. You have the right to shut up and be safe.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmClinton didn't have to break the law to keep us safe. Bush has to break the law to keep himself and Cheney safe.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmInbreeding has caused a lot of the 23% to be inflicted with paranoid, delusional thought..They have to have a leader tell them what to do and how to think....Retroactive birth control may remove this problem from our society, oh I forgot that's just what bull shit bush is doing with his never ending war's..Never mind..
August 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmReal Americans want the government listening to their phone calls.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 12, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
If you want that, move to China or Zimbabwe.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWe’ll give you a new bill of rights.
Well, look who thinks he'll be treated any different, simply because he sounds as wacky as his heroes. It's so cute!
Here's a clue: you'll be in line with the rest of us, if it should ever come to pass.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pm"The Constitution is not a suicide pact"
- Lincoln
Baloney:
"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a rhetorical phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must give way to urgent practical needs. It is most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, as a response to charges that he was violating the United States Constitution by suspending habeas corpus during the American Civil War. Although the phrase echoes statements made by Lincoln, and although the sentiment has been enunciated several other times in American history, the precise phrase "suicide pact" was first used by Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago, a 1949 free speech case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmBarfly, in your comment ( Comment by barfly — August 12, 2007 ) you postted some interesting information.
However, you're missing the point -- which I'm not agreeing with or disagreeing with: Your response doesn't refute that the Constitution is or isn't a suicide pact. All you've done is quoted where it was first used; and hoped some conclude something. I'll ask directly: What is the basis for your sayign that the Constitution is "not a suicide pact"?
It doesn't matter whether the phrase started; what matters is whether your argument today -- about what is being said to day -- does or doesn't add up. Right now, you haven't argued anything. I welcome an argument, not an assertion. Thank you.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmThe Bill of Rights is sacred and any attempt to change or violate it are against the law. That is what our founding fathers would want.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pmProbus — August 12, 2007, agree. Proseucte these FISA violations. Members of Congress who block these prosecutions should be prosecuted.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmConstitution is or isn’t a suicide pact.
Comment by Anon — August 12, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
The constitution is and never was a suicide pact. All the protection we need was built into the Constitution.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmDemocrats did it.
Democrats did it.
Democrats did it.
Democrats did it.
Democrats did it.
Democrats.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:25 pmComment by Nat — August 12, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
"The constitution is and never was a suicide pact. All the protection we need was built into the Constitution."
Saying "is" and "never was" appears to be contradictory: That the Constitution is, but never was cannot both exist at the same time. Could you please rephrase your words; or explain the contradiction. Thank you.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI've been posting on TP almost since its inception and the amount of trolling has become enormous. Suggestions of "don't feed the trolls" or "counter their posts with facts" no longer work because they are not here to engage in meaningful discourse. The only purpose they serve is to spew their hatred and draw the conversation off topic. We can cite all the "facts" we want but it means nothing to a troll like CTv2 or LTK since they don't come here to present an opposite point of view. By reading their posts, you only come away with the impression that they are here only to flood the thread with comments which are meant to draw a reaction from legitimate posters. Otherwise, the content of their posts add little to the conversation.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmBush has misunderestimated the law.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pm#165 - do you really think terrorists can't strike pretty well whenever they have their act together? That is the true terror.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSaying “is†and “never was†appears to be contradictory: That the Constitution is, but never was cannot both exist at the same time.
You knew what I meant:
"The constitution is not and never was a suicide pact. All the protection we need was built into the Constitution.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe US Constitution is a sacred and revered document. It can never be a "suicide pact".
August 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYea. The threat of terrorism is sooooooooo overwhemling that we need to discard the constitution.
They've already killed 3000 of us.
We've only three hundred million left.
:|
What a terrible threat.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWhats that your boy says troll?
Oh yea.
Bring it on.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmTrizza: You are right. TP has now degenerated into a troll cesspool and all of the intelligent bloggers have gone to C& L, Smirking Chimp, etc. They have registration there and oversight by real thread monitors. This blog has become a bastardized version of itself and I would agree that it appears to be more like a hate blog by demented psychopaths and sociopaths than sane, intelligent people. Anyone perusing the threads and witnessing the likes of the twisted, sick conversation ongoing here at TP would be immediately repulsed. The regulars are spending their time on other blog sites. All that's left is the angry, hate-filled, bullshit spewing, psychologically deranged morons spewing their drivel.
Most of it doesn't even make sense; that is, unless you also share a psychiatric illness. Sick - very sick individuals.
Adios, MF Trolls. Anyone can see that you're talking either to yourself (one posting as many) or that you're working in tandem. You could be on the RNC payroll because you're not intelligent enough for KKKarl.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pmCT and Mr. P are spewing rightwing facsict crap that wouldn't be allowed on a neocon site. Makes you wonder if they're working for
August 12th, 2007 at 5:43 pmtp or if tp can't be bothered reading any posts here. If TP is trying to self-destruct why don't they just shut down the site instead of wasting everybody else's time.
CT and Mr. P should be left alone to conduct their circle jerk. And when TP decides to resume as an actual progressive blog they can come looking for their regular posters. Because this site just wastes too much time wading through crap.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWon't it be exciting when President Hillary Clinton gets to listen in to our private coversations?
August 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pmFor the real progressives who are tired of TP allowing their site to be overtaken by trolls, ignore TP as an outlet and go where intelligent discourse is welcomed.
This has been going on for a very long time. TP has no intentions of controlling the kool-aid drinkers.
August 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmComment by maxbadal — August 12, 2007
". . .go where intelligent discourse is welcomed."
Which websites do you have in mind?
August 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmTake the haters off this site. I don't care if it's justified or not. Just do it!
August 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThe troll believes liberals are against offending anybody. Isn't that the opposite of a liberal philosophy? We've tried offending Mr. P and his cohorts until any nomral person would leave in shame. Obviously these trolls aren't normal human beings. If TP can't be bothered getting rid of them we shouldn't bother either. Let them have the site. The destruction of this site will only lead to bigger and better progressive site.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:10 pmLiberalism emphasizes individual rights and equal opportunity. A liberal society is characterized by freedom of expression, limitations on power, the rule of law, a market economy, free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAs long as you keep voting for them, why should they care what you think? You are no different from African Americans, who have received decades of lip service, and no results.
As Rush Limbaugh says, the ONLY thing a Democrat fears is an ELECTION, but as long as you keep supporting whatever Democrat wins the primary, then the Clintonistas are going to keep triangulating on you, causing you to take it on the chin with the Reps, while they act like they have a third option in hand.
You deserve all the betrayals you allow them to give you, since you don't make them pay.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:17 pmou deserve all the betrayals you allow them to give you, since you don’t make them pay.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 12, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
That would appear to go quadruple for Republicans.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmNeoColons inflict one misguided disaster then another, at first they lie their way in, but they always wind up fu(king up everyone they come in contact with.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThat's why the NeoColons need to be defeated at the polls in 08, and their legacy held up for generations as the model for evildoing.
Liberals are trying to protect the rights of innocent Americans from being spied on by their conservative government. Americans are being spied on without warrants or Congressional oversight.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pmRepublicans don't believe in government that is why they are always working to destroy, corrupt, or underfund institutions then sit back and say "see look I told you so." What did Reagan say the most frightening words are "I'm from the government on I'm here to help." Republicans have held the presidency for 28 of the last 40 years if you do not like the current state of things blame the Republican party they have been the ones at the helm the only two democratic presidents in that time were Carter and Clinton.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:35 pmBush wants to spread "liberty" in the Middle East and Iraq. Liberty comes from the word liberal. Ironically Bush wants to spread "democracy" is it because he admires the "democratic" party? There is much to admire in liberalism and the democratic party.
August 12th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIsn't secrecy great?!?!?!
And all because BushCo didn't want to follow the law and get a FISA court-approved warrant...because the "decider" doesn't want anyone telling him what he can or can't do.
This Protect America Act now enters into the annals of American history alongside other BushCo-demanded legilation with pretty names, that really gut the protections of American citizens.
And the minority mad-dog Blue Dog Democrats, in siding with the "culture of corruption" rubber-stamp Republicans, allowed this blindsiding of our democracy to occur.
BushCo has politicized everything. So what makes anyone think that this Protect America Act will be any different?
Unchecked and unlimited spying authority, given to Gonzales (DOJ) and McConnell (DNI), while circumventing the FISA court.....why, we're watching the return of Richard Nixon and his administration's using all of our intelligence agencies to spy on all American citizens on Nixon's "enemies list."
Hopefully, these mad-dog Blue Dog Democrats will wake-up in the next six months. Otherwise, they'll not be welcome for much longer in the resurgent progressive liberal Democratic Party. Oh, right, they'll just pull a Lieberman, and become "independent," or switch completely to the "culture of corruption" Republican Party. I wonder what the odds in Las Vegas are on this?
August 12th, 2007 at 7:55 pmBush is trying to supposedly protect Americans by spying on them. He is violating our constitutional rights. This fight is not over. This bill will be overruled in the courts.
August 12th, 2007 at 8:17 pmi don't know what to do. everyone gets so mad if you want to vote for a third party, but the democrats constantly fail to stop the president. i don't think i'm going to vote anymore and i may move to europe.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmYou deserve all the betrayals you allow them to give you, since you don’t make them pay.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Ahhh BS. Limbaugh and Coulter, not to mention Scanlon, Reed, Goldwater know what a bunch of wackos these fundies are and take your money while keeping the crazies at arms length.
Just look what they posted above. The actually condone a police state and locking up liberals [Like you Know who did to the Jews] The say safety trumps freedom, I know you are smart enough Jason to see the Orwellian insanity in that statement. The Muslims hate us because we are free, yet the fundie crazy trolls here want to do just what the American hating Muslims want, to remove our freedom. WTF?? The want to create gulags and lock people up because they disagree with their insane views.
For a bunch of chest puffing he-men they sure are scared of some religious extremists who don't even have a country to call their own. They want an authority figure to be submissive too like good little lemmings.
Limbaugh and Coulter are not crazy, but they are smart enough to fill the nuts with rhetoric and take their money
August 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmThe religious extremists or Fundamentalists we need fear the most are not in the Middle-East, they are right here in the good ole USA. It was two (or more), down home apple pie eating, flag waving, ex-military, right-wing Christian red blooded American boys who blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma. Not Muslims, not the commies.
Add to that the number of family couseling clinics, doctors, nurses, and other innocent victims of bombings, shootings, and other assorted violent assults again, from right-wing religious extremists wrapped in the Stars and Stripes.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:57 am