Media Gushes Over Rove: ‘Superstar,’ ‘Boy Genius,’ ‘The Mastermind Behind Everything’
Media Gushes Over Rove: ‘Superstar,’ ‘Boy Genius,’ ‘The Mastermind Behind Everything’
As soon as Karl Rove’s departure from the White House was announced this morning, there was no shortage of talking heads to appear on TV to lavish praise on him. On Fox News, former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card called Rove “a superstar,” CBS White House Correspondent Bill Plante described him as “the mastermind behind everything,” and on MSNBC, Chris Matthews declared “generally, where there’s brains, there’s Rove.”
While Rove is undoubtedly a skilled campaign tactician, the hyperbolic image of him as a political genius overlooks his record of bungled political predictions, a series of policy failures and the damage he has wrought on America’s political system.
ThinkProgress has put together a highlights reel of the breathless adoration for Rove. Watch it:
Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan argues, “Rove is one of the worst political strategists in recent times. He took a chance to realign the country and to unite it in a war - and threw it away in a binge of hate-filled niche campaigning, polarization and short-term expediency.”
Washington Post’s Dan Froomkin adds, “After years of being lauded as a political genius, Rove nevertheless leaves his party in worse shape than he found it, with his boss profoundly discredited in the eyes of the American people.”
UPDATE: Huffington Post has video of the Boy Genius’s tearful goodbye from this morning.
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That should be accompanied by violent vomiting, not gushing.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmKarl Rove is a traitor. The mass media, leaning so far right as to be completely untrustworthy, is complicit in America's weakening on the world stage.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmTold ya Tweety was gushing.
Gross.....
Rove is a failure, who has left his party worse than he found it.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThat's his legacy. :-)
Like Dr. Strangelove was a "genius".
August 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThe MSM suckling at the teat of power. What a country, huh?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmChris Matthews used to be liberal. I won't watch him any more. MSNBC is making some strides with Keith Olbermann. If they really want to be a Fox alternative, they need to look at their lineup. Matthews should be one of the first to go.
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com
August 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmIn other words,
BUSH HAS LOST HIS BRAIN.
That's not even close to being a stretch.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHis gone, but not forgotten. Oh, karl, we hardly knew ya.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pm"mastermind of EVERYTHING?"
That ought to be worth several consecutive life sentences.....
August 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmIs anyone surprised that Chris "Suck A$$" Matthews is on the tube claiming that Rove is a genius??
August 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmBut Tweety, how does he smell? KKKarll is the master of dirty tricks and deception. If the media is so stupid that they don't know this or respect him for it they should lose their jobs.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmWhat a shame, he had hardly finished screwing the republics.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmUPCOMING
Karl Rove: Smarter than all lefties combined.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmCalling someone whom we all know committed treason a "genius" just shows how demented and twisted people have become.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmYeah, the mastermind that created the largest swing in 2006 of multiple generations... Boy Genius indeed!
Rove has done more for Democratic politicians than anyone! He's show how lunatic and hypocritical the fringe right is! Thanks Rove!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:28 pmAnyone next to Tweety Bird Matthews would appear to be a genius, for goodness sakes. Matthews is pathetic and Rove has become "toxic" to the RNC - that's the reason he's being asked to hit the road.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pmCaption:
"My perspective of the world is this wide.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pmI don't suffer from tunnel vision, I have tube vision!
The good news is, it's wide enough to see the teleprompter....
well except for the last few words of every line, those sort of bleed off into my fingernails....."
I would agree that Rove has done more since 06 for the DNC than anyone else so in that respect he might be rightfully called a "genius". Of course, I don't think that was his big plan though.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pmLook, when the media gushes love at Rove, a master of manipulation, they are just looking stupid... what is this, the Helsinki Syndrome or do they see themselves as rovian?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmBack when Rove had everything under control it was fine. the inability of the neo-cons to pacify Iraq, has killed the party. If only somone could have foreseen that Iraq was not going to be a short term cake walk... Oh wait...
August 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmSeeing Rove today looking ashen and pale tells me that he's been given a diagnosis which is mandating his retirement. He's probably terminally ill.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWhat we all must remember is that Rove could not be the Rove we all know and despise (and Cheney couldn't be Cheney) were it not for a President like Dubya who, more so than any other President in history, chose to cede his power to subordinates who had their own agendas. Were it not for Dubya's willingness to sit back, ride his bike and take endless vacations, Rove would be no more than a footnote in history.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:32 pmYeah, I'd question the 'genius' that gets his boss a 29% approval rating.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:32 pmCalling someone whom we all know committed treason a “genius†just shows how demented and twisted people have become.
Comment by NanBullen
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When did Rove commit treason?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:33 pmya know - I don't really give a rat's a$$ what any of them think, or what any goofy trolls think either.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI dislike it when this man is referred to as a "genius" just because he lacks any compassion or honor and doesn't care who he shits on. They mistake "genius" for... another word that I'm not going to type here, lest I get myself banned.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmWhen did Rove commit treason?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
When didn't he? You wingnuts hate america and have committed Treason against the Constitution at every opportunity.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmRingo thinks outing a covert CIA agent isn't Treason!!! BHAAHAHA
Go to your al-qaeda meeting Ringo, Osama is calling you!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmAs Triumph the Insult Comic Dog said to Mr. Rove:
" You're Bush's brain, Karl? I was expecting a much smaller man."
August 13th, 2007 at 4:37 pmDubya who, more so than any other President in history, chose to cede his power to subordinates who had their own agendas. Were it not for Dubya’s willingness to sit back, ride his bike and take endless vacations, Rove would be no more than a footnote in history.
Comment by raynman — August 13, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
We need more good presidents like Jimmy Carter who stayed up 20 hours a day and worried about what was going on in the world.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWhen did Rove commit treason?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
He commits treason almost every time he opens his mouth - dumb-a$$
August 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pm"Karl Rove is a Republican.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm"
Now synonymous with "traitor".
Seeing Rove today looking ashen and pale tells me that he’s been given a diagnosis which is mandating his retirement. He’s probably terminally ill.
Comment by NanBullen — August 13, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Don't tease me. USA couldn't be that li=ucky.
When did Rove commit treason?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Well, he's not done committing treason until the end of the month, but he started in 1998 with the CAGEing of voters and the manipulation of voting machines. When did you wake up, or is that question premature?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmYou're such a LOSER, p.
"...Ringo thinks..."
Ringo reacts.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmReacting requires no thought,
and in fact is an indication of thoughtlessness.
Rove is a mastermind; so was Hilter, so was Stalin, so was Napoleon.
Being a Mastermind does not suggest any moral or ethical grounding.
The failure of Karl Rove lies in his ability to market a campaign, but it is his only gift; once you're elected, you have to lead. You can't follow your election with just more marketing. You cannot start a war in order to win the next election. People do wise up with time.
Karl Rove is a ONE TRICK PONY. He couldn't even run an ethical marketing campaign...Which is why he desperately broke the Hatch Act in order to politicized Our Federal Government.
Remember, IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT, Not Bush's, not Cheney's, not Rove's. We will keep fighting for Our Country...
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmRove, among all of the madministration, deserves the noose. We can only hope his hanging is televised worldwide, as an example of the proper treatment of traitors.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:41 pmRove better not fall asleep around Chris Matthews or he might end up getting a Republican Lewinsky...that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
August 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
What's ridiculous is that Rove never committed patriotism, never gave a crap about America or its role in the world, or its image. He most certainly is a traitor, and we are not safe as a nation while he walks free. Saddam was much less dangerous to the Constitution.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmRove better not fall asleep around Chris Matthews or he might end up getting a Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:45 pmKarl Rove never committed treason. Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
You don't know that, and you can't prove that. In fact there are several documented cases that if we had a supermajority in congress could be prosecuted.
That is a ridiculous statement.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Yes your statements are ridiculous Mr. P!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:45 pmEquating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
If the shoe fits...
August 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmEquating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays? Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Hey, it's you guys that are such hypocrites - especially on the Gay issue!
There's nothing more gay than the closet cases running the GOP right now - especially you!
Unfortunately for you the Gays don't want you anymore than the Republicans do when they find out what a closet case you are!
So to answer your case, I think you insult both groups!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhen was Karl Rove convicted of outing a covert CIA agent?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmClassic Rove. 'Love ya, mean it'
August 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWho has the most campaign contributions?
Here is something that uses one's imagination lots more than Tweety Mc Wackjob. Quote:"Darth Bane took on a new apprentice, whom he dubbed Darth Seer, a Dynat from planet Dynaticus. This would suddenly begin the secret Dynatic Sith Dynasty. With Darth Seer, he hid upon Coruscant, where the Sith were to remain for several generations. Darth Bane established a Rule of Two, only one master and one apprentice at a time, the sole inheritors of the Dynatic Sith Dynasty"
August 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmhttp://www.jedipurge.com/
"When was Karl Rove convicted of outing a covert CIA agent?"
Comment by Ringo
February 19th, 2009
August 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmYou poor, simple creatures.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThe rat is leaving the sinking ship...
August 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmafter gnawing a huge hole below the waterline.
Genius!
Rove better not fall asleep around Chris Matthews or he might end up getting a Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
If the shoe fits…
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays? Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Hey, it’s you guys that are such hypocrites - especially on the Gay issue!
There’s nothing more gay than the closet cases running the GOP right now - especially you!
Unfortunately for you the Gays don’t want you anymore than the Republicans do when they find out what a closet case you are!
So to answer your case, I think you insult both groups!
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
I know there is a lot of Republican hatred here, but why all the gay bashing?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmClinton is gay?
Comment by Malice
Maybe bisexual, but NOT gay.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmthis malice/michael/jake/patric trooll
August 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pmis a real master of the obvious, isn't he?
hoo wee... impressive...
Wow, a projector with a dim bulb.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThat date hasn’t occured yet…
Comment by Malice
It may not have occured to you, but it has occured to me!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pmtalk about dumbing down the conversation...
August 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pm...
Rove’s biggest achievement is “losing†Congress to the Dems–by one of the SMALLEST swings ever recorded after a six-year hold on Congress by a party controlling the WH–in order to allow them to self-destruct. Rove the genius strategized that the Repubs should lose the Congress in 06 so the US public could see how badly Dems would screw-up the country. This is proven in the Dem-Congress’ ratings being lower than Bush’s and the lowest in history. Thanks to Rove “losing†the GOP Congress, the country now knows all Dems do is hold hearing to nowhere and FAIL to pass meaningful legislation. The Dems only passed a minimum wage increase–that’s why their ratings are at 16%. Good job, Rove for unmasking the Dem Congress!
Comment by Libsareconspiracynuts — August 13, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
wow, p, lots of meth consumed to come to that ass-backwards conclusion. the republican stonewalling and filibuster-threatening will get them the same results newt's shutdown of congress got them: the minority for a long time! Look forward to Democratic majorities and presidents for the next 20 or more years, traitor. LOSER.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI know there is a lot of Republican hatred here, but why all the gay bashing? Comment by r
They are sarcastically pointing out the Republican moral hypocrisy me thinks r.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmTo be fair, the anti-gay comments have only come freom
August 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
and
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
So far.
Personally, I liked the part of the video where Matthews said "basically, he (Rove) is like a fire hydrant".
Yup. I'll second that.
Piss on him.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmCT_Version_2_Coward,
You poor girl, you've let your rage get the best of you and now your brain isn't working properly.
Seek help.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pm"an endless catastrophe in Iraq"
wow Sullivan bite down hard with that one.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by Libsareconspiracynuts — August 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Irony os lost on such a weak mind, sissy. Liberals arent the ones denying gays their basic rights, you closet cases are. That's a fact, one of those things that you rightards don't have any of.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:59 pmRove the genius strategized that the Repubs should lose the Congress in 06. -Mr P
Wow, amazing how the lemming submissive mind works.
Mostly in reverse.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:59 pmSeek help.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Look in the mirror, LOSER. Although we know you cant afford it.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmAndrew Sullivan strongly endorsed John Kerry for president in 2004. He is not a "conservative blogger."
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmronjazz,
What basic right is being denied to gay people?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmI know there is a lot of Republican hatred here, but why all the gay bashing? Comment by r
They are sarcastically pointing out the Republican moral hypocrisy me thinks r.
Comment by PICOT ORION — August 13, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
r and the other trolls don't understand hypocrisy and certainly don't understand sarcasm. Rather, they 'spin' themselves deeper into hypocrisy and reassure the stereo type of conservatives having trouble thinking things through.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmtweety, agree or disagree with the follwing statement:
"Rove nevertheless leaves his party in worse shape than he found it..."
take your time, think about it.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmso the "liberal" media is fawning over what a genius Rove is? Do the braindead need more proof of right leaning media? If the media was as "liberal' claimed they would be referring to Rove in the harshest terms possible, including macheivallian traitor to democracy. The politicising of the Justice Department would be front and center, along with the connections to him outing a covert CIA agent.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pmRove the genius has now strategized that the Repigs should lose the White House and the Congress for the next 20 years. That's why he's running away, like Bushie on 9/11. Probably moving to Saudi Arabia for some princely handholding and kissy-kissy. These guys all live in transparent closets.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAndrew Sullivan strongly endorsed John Kerry for president in 2004. He is not a “conservative blogger.â€
Comment by Exley — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Of course he is a conservative blogger.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmMedia Gushes Over Rove: ‘Superstar,’ ‘Boy Genius,’ ‘The Mastermind Behind Everything’
Doesn't this just go to show what a fascist media we have....How can anyone or anything Gush over this mastermind to the killer crime family?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmWhat basic right is being denied to gay people?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
How stupid and uninformed are you? Don't you ever read? Or at least have somebody read to you?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmYet you forget yourself. Your assumption was that comments about gay people were attacks - your own homophobia.
Sorry, but so far only you are on the list - closet case…
Come on out of the closet, be fabulous! We love the gays, we just hate closet venomous pricks like you!
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
GSD said:
Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
I said:
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
That’s not an attack on anybody.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:05 pmDespite this gift -- "He took a chance to realign the country and to unite it in a war - and threw it away in a binge of hate-filled niche campaigning, polarization and short-term expediency.†-- The DNC and COngress refuse to use it to their advantage.
The Democrats will likely be kicking themselves if teh GOP retakes the House/Senate. If enough people leave the DNC over their disgust with the absymal handling of issues, enough independent-votes could leave the GOP with a plurality.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmSeek help indeed! You do know that while homosexuality isn’t a mental illness - homophobia is - right?
Poor little psycho!
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were a gay man, I thought you were a girl.
Personally I have no problem with homosexuality.
Gay is OK....Don't feel bad about it.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhat basic right is being denied to gay people?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
The right to marry and any privileges that come with it.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pm!
FOCUS, PEOPLE !!!
good gawd... it's like f'n kindergarten...
...
f'n fools...
August 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pmSo now Mr P is calling Rove, the Genius, a traitor to the Republican party!!
LMAO.
If that were true, Mr P, then it would explain why he resigned, somehow.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAnyway, it's not worth the effort to ponder the workings of the lemming brain as they require another brain, an authoritative one, to operate.
The Democrats will likely be kicking themselves if teh GOP retakes the House/Senate. If enough people leave the DNC over their disgust with the absymal handling of issues, enough independent-votes could leave the GOP with a plurality.
Comment by Anon — August 13, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
I think you're going to be surprised when we have a Democratic White House and Congress in '09.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:09 pmBack to topic. I see nothing genius about partisan personal attacks and multi-million dollar smear campaigns. If Genius meant smear I might be inclined to agree, it doesn't.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmThank you TP for helping me save a tree.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThe right to marry and any privileges that come with it.
Comment by Nat
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A gay person has the same right as any other American regarding marriage; the right to marry a member of the opposite sex.
If we wish to create a union for same sex couples, I'm all for it.....but since it would be different type of union than traditional opposite sex unions, it would require a new name to descibe it.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmHere that ‘r’, your friend Ringo thinks that it’s OK to discriminate against gay people!
Yet you’ll whine only about liberals pointing out your hypocrisy.
What a bunch of loser Republican bigots!
No wonder Rove lost 2006!
You wingnuts are clueless!
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I guess I didn’t see that post where Ringo indicated it was ok to discriminate against gays.
I don’t think it’s right to discriminate.
Does that clear up the record?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIf we wish to create a union for same sex couples, I’m all for it…..but since it would be different type of union than traditional opposite sex unions, it would require a new name to descibe it.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Marriage is not defined as the union of opposite-sex couples. You could look it up, but then you'd have a fact, and that would make you a liberal.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:13 pmI do not think it's alright to discriminate against gays and I never said that I did.
Gay is OK.
Am I clear?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI guess I didn’t see that post where Ringo indicated it was ok to discriminate against gays. Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
You're a republican - your entire platform is based on the anti-gay agenda. So by your partisan political efforts you automatically are anti-gay.
I don’t think it’s right to discriminate. Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Sure you do, you support a party based on discrimination.
Does that clear up the record?
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
No, neither does your posts - they're completely homophobic. You're like the racist that makes a bigoted statement and then says "but I'm not a bigot". Sure you are.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmA gay person has the same right as any other American regarding marriage; the right to marry a member of the opposite sex.
That's stupid. Why would a gay person want to marry someone of the opposite sex?
If we wish to create a union for same sex couples, I’m all for it…..but since it would be different type of union than traditional opposite sex unions, it would require a new name to descibe it.
We'll call it gay marriage.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAndrew Sullivan strongly endorsed John Kerry for president in 2004. He is not a “conservative blogger.â€
Comment by Exley — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Hi Ex hope your doing well. Wanted to point out, that the Seattle Times, which tends to lean right, endorsed Bush in 2000, but endorsed Kerry in 2004. The decision was based upon Bush's poor handling of well pretty much anything, but primarily Iraq. To point, saying someone can't be conservative because the endorsed Kerry, doesn't ring 100% true. Also with Mr. Sullivan, I am not familiar with his writings, but would need to read it to make an informed decision.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmI do not think it’s alright to discriminate against gays and I never said that I did. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Sure you do - because your remarks were completely homophobic.
Gay is OK.
Am I clear?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I am, but you aren't.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmRove confirmed Plame's status to Novak:
How about this wild idea: Rove should have kept his mouth shut.
Source:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/12/cia.leak/index.html
August 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAnyone donated to Mike Gravels campaign yet?
If not you'll only have yourselves to blame when Hillary/Obama/Edwards bend you over in 09.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI meant to attack Matthews obscene fawning for Rove and the fact that the Rape-publicans are having a moral collapse....
No harm meant for gay folks here.
-GSD
P.S. It is funny how "politically correct" the Bush trolls get when we hit close to home on their pathologies though.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmGay is OK.
Am I clear?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
You're a liar, caught in your own web. You want to redefine marriage specifically for gays. That's discrimination. Case closed.
this is too easy, rightards are so intellectually limited.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pm"Malice in Drains"
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmA gay person has the same right as any other American regarding marriage; the right to marry a member of the opposite sex. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
No, that's not true. Because a straight person has the right to marry the person they fall in love with. The gay person doesn't.
If we wish to create a union for same sex couples, I’m all for it…..but since it would be different type of union than traditional opposite sex unions, it would require a new name to descibe it. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Not true. The Roman and Greek world both had gay marriage, as have many traditional cultures. Just because the current culture has chosen to be homophobic - don't lay that on 'tradition'.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmI saw that Karls favorite book was the Dream and the Nightmare by Myron Magnet about the haves making things worse by trying to help the have nots.
Ironically, today, we see the FED sinking billions of have not money into the house of cards built by the haves to keep it from hemmoraging to death.
The have nots, much to the chagrin of the haves, in reality support the haves. Maybe Karl woke up and realized he would never be a have and is really a have not?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmWe’ll call it gay marriage.
Comment by Nat
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Fine by me.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmDon't know if this has been posted yet, but may I suggest anyone interested read the book Bush's Brain by James Moore and Wayne Slater. It's been awhile since I read it but I can only remember being chillingly awakened to the depths of electoral depravity our country has come to and how far Rove was willing to go to win (at anything).
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pm!
FOCUS, PEOPLE !!!
good gawd… it’s like f’n kindergarten…
…
f’n fools…
Comment by katy — August 13, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Lighten up, sheesh, what a scold.
Your co-libs gay bash on a Rove thread and you act like side discussions are the end of the world.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:18 pmFine by me.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Bigot.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWe should pass a law that says you must marry someone of the same sex. Everybody will have the same rights.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmLighten up, sheesh, what a scold. Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
You sound jealous! What's wrong, can't stand someone else scolding and moralizing? Hypocrite.
Your co-libs gay bash on a Rove thread and you act like side discussions are the end of the world. Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
You gay bash, and blame others. Classic republican projection!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmJust because the current culture has chosen to be homophobic - don’t lay that on ‘tradition’.
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Not the current culture, just the current anti-culture, the wingnuts and religious fanatics. The ones who oppose freedom for anyone not of their group. You know, fascists.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:19 pmNo, neither does your posts - they’re completely homophobic. You’re like the racist that makes a bigoted statement and then says “but I’m not a bigotâ€. Sure you are.
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
You’re so funny. You’ve turned this into “I know you are, but what am I?â€
August 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pmNot true. The Roman and Greek world both had gay marriage, as have many traditional cultures. Just because the current culture has chosen to be homophobic - don’t lay that on ‘tradition’.
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Wrong....They had an abundance of homosexuality but they never had same-sex marriage. Even the Spartans, who engaged in both pederasty and consentual homsexuality, did not have "gay marriage", if fact most Spartans had wives and families aside from their manly, warrior love.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmHey Krazny,
I am not saying that Sullivan is 100% a liberal. But neither is he a 100% conservative. The fact is that he endorsed Bush in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. He takes many liberal social positions. He supported the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. But so did Hillary Clinton and John Edwards and numerous other progressives. I am just saying that it is disingenuously simplistic to label Sullivan a "conservative."
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmCBS White House Correspondent Bill Plante described him as “the mastermind behind everything"
New Book:
The rise and fall by K. Rove.
How I masterminded my authoritarian daddies rise and fall after they screwed me.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmGSD, your intent seemed obvious to me. It's not your fault that for some, reading comprehension is a lacking skill.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmCT. although I agree with you on your post, you said a straight person has the right to marry the person they fall in love with. The gay person doesn’t.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmNot exactly correct. Persons are not allowed to marry a close relative.
a Rove thread and you act like side discussions are the end of the world.
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Funny how Rove and the end of the world are so closely conflated. N liberal has gay-bashed, LOSER.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmNot the current culture, just the current anti-culture, the wingnuts and religious fanatics. The ones who oppose freedom for anyone not of their group. You know, fascists. Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Well unfortunately the culture has chosen to be homophobic - because they permit the continuing discrimination and excuse it cloaked in religious dogma.
If they were so religious, they wouldn't permit divorce or remarriage. Both of those items were forbidden by the Jesus of their little black book - unlike homosexuality that they have to drag out some 'abomination' (simply means unclean) old testament garbage to attack.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:22 pmJust because the current culture has chosen to be homophobic - don’t lay that on ‘tradition’.
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When you say "current culture" I assume you mean the past 2000+ years, right?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:22 pmWrong….They had an abundance of homosexuality but they never had same-sex marriage. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Your ignorance doesn't change history.
Even the Spartans, who engaged in both pederasty and consentual homsexuality, did not have “gay marriageâ€, if fact most Spartans had wives and families aside from their manly, warrior love. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Judging all Greeks on Spartans, is like judging Americans on Republicans - don't do it.
Your ignorance doesn't change history.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pmif fact most Spartans had wives and families aside from their manly, warrior love.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
the original Republicans. Hey, bend that page over!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm....if fact most Spartans had wives and families aside from their manly, warrior love. Comment by Ringo
Today they call that a 'Beard' =)
August 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhen you say “current culture†I assume you mean the past 2000+ years, right? Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
No, because there was gay marriage common within the Catholic church all of the way to the 12th century. Didn't know that - did you?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThe fact is that he endorsed Bush in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.
Comment by Exley — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
He endorsed Kerry because Bush was pushing an amendment to deny him some basic rights.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmPersons are not allowed to marry a close relative.
Comment by leftcoast — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Is that in the law? Rudy Giuliani seems to have broken the law, then.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmCT_Version_2_Coward
is that you, tros? ... can't beat 'em, join 'em?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pm...
GSD, your intent seemed obvious to me. It’s not your fault that for some, reading comprehension is a lacking skill.
Comment by Yikes — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
I agree: Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
I just asked if it was ok on this site to say Gay = Republican like GSD did?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmRingo, the official Catholic ceremony for gay marriage was called "Akolouthia eis adelphopoiesin"
Your ignorance doesn't excuse your homophobia.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI just asked if it was ok on this site to say Gay = Republican like GSD did? Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
For the politicians - it's often the truth. Unfortunately they're gay closet self loathing bigots - like you. Twisted by their own self hate. Sound familiar?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:26 pmThe reason is because homosexuality is based on wilful, degenerate choice, not something you’re born with. Comment by Homosexualsskewlib — August 13, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Is that assessment based on your personal opinion - because you chose to be straight?
Only closet cases ever make this claim. I don't know a single straight person that choses to be straight!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
You are further showing your lack of reading comprehension skills.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by Homosexualsskewlib — August 13, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Your rightards are so proud of your ignorance of law and history. marriage isn't a "right" either. Homosexuality isn't a choice; who would choose it? Many minorites who resent the gay rights' aganda are ignorant rednecks as well. And legalizing gay marriage has nothing to do with pedophilia or bestiality, except among Republicans. You're very, very stupid. Another fact-free wingnut bites the dust.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmFurther, under equal protection under the Constitution, if we legalize gay marriage, that would also legalize other alternative lifestyles like pedophilia or bestiality. Yes, libs are comfortable with that, too!
Comment by Homosexualsskewlib — August 13, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
If that were true, straight marriage would have led to the legalization of pedophilia and/or bestiality.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmFunny how Rove and the end of the world are so closely conflated. No liberal has gay-bashed, LOSER.
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
You didn't gay bash I guess, you just equated gays to Republicans,
if the shoe fits?
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
If the shoe fits…
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
August 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe reason is because homosexuality is based on wilful, degenerate choice, not something you’re born with.
Ignorance is not something to be proud of.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIf that were true, straight marriage would have led to the legalization of pedophilia and/or bestiality.
Comment by Nat — August 13, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
i must say, Nat, you are awfully good at getting right to the point.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#124 homosexuality is based on wilful, degenerate choice, not something you’re born with.
Perhaps you need to read the research in this area.
if we legalize gay marriage, that would also legalize other alternative lifestyles like pedophilia or bestiality.
You've been drinking the rightwing kool-aid for too long. That is the worse slippery slope arguement put out there.
many minorities resent libs for exaggerating that gay marriage is a civil right
August 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pmName those minorities for us and site your source.
The fact is many of the hypocritical self appointed Judges in the Republican party, and there are many to list, want to enforce their moral views on other people while they engage in the very behaviour they supposedly detest.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
You shouldn't be ashamed of your gay Republicans, only of their hypocritical lifestyle of lying about it. Your family values crowd has a lot more in common with the Manson Family than the human famikly.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmComment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
You are further showing your lack of reading comprehension skills.
Comment by Yikes — August 13, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
I posted exact quotes, you… well, just say stuff. Which is cute in a way.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI posted exact quotes, you… well, just say stuff. Which is cute in a way.
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
You post exact quotes, and misinterpret them. I wonder what it really means that you think yikes is "cute"?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmNo, because there was gay marriage common within the Catholic church all of the way to the 12th century. Didn’t know that - did you?
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Totally untrue....The Cotholic Church performed a same-sex bonding rite (often between a Crusading Knight and his squire upon reaching Jerusalem) for hundreds of years, it was never referred to a "marriage" whic has always been a union of a man and a women. Even John Boswell acknowledges this in his famous book on the subject.
This rite is still performed today in the Greek Orthodox Chuch between religious pilgrams to Bethleham.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAnyway, anybody up for sending a sympathy card to Rove's family? I can't imagine they view his returning as good news.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYou shouldn’t be ashamed of your gay Republicans, only of their hypocritical lifestyle of lying about it. Your family values crowd has a lot more in common with the Manson Family than the human famikly.
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Now we’re back to this. You seem to be linking the gay, Republican and shame very tightly together. This is supposed to be about Rove!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
You type from ignorance and assumption. Marriage is defined thus: the state of relationship of being married. 2. a wedding ceremony. 3. any close association. That's the Random House dictionary. You are, unsurprisingly, completely wrong. again.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmYou post exact quotes, and misinterpret them. I wonder what it really means that you think yikes is “cute�
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Rove better not fall asleep around Chris Matthews or he might end up getting a Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Equating Republicans with Gays. Are you trying to insult the Republicans, or the Gays?
I provide quotes and you just say stuff... Misinterpret? Would you care to explain? Maybe Satire today?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI just asked if it was ok on this site to say Gay = Republican like GSD did?
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
I posted exact quotes, you… well, just say stuff. Which is cute in a way.
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
It's your quote r. You believe it was said that Gay = Republican. Your reading comprehension is far from cute - it shows a lack of education. I guess your ok with that, which is cute if you were a five year old.
You post exact quotes, and misinterpret them. I wonder what it really means that you think yikes is “cute�
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
UUUGGGHHH ronjazz, get him off me!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmHere, here, r. This IS supposed to be about Rove...
and, I'm pretty sure that history will show Rove leaving the party in much worse condition than he found it. He wanted a "100 year one-party rule," but now he's probably going to get a generation of policies brought forth by Democrats.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmRingo, the official Catholic ceremony for gay marriage was called “Akolouthia eis adelphopoiesinâ€.
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Now you've just gone and proven my point; it wasn't called marriage, it was a different rite with a different name.....And BTW, it was never for "gay" people, it was a bonding rite for two people of the same sex. Homosexuality has always been a sin in the Catholic Church.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhat does the fact that the current neocon movement seems to attract a lot of self-loathing closeted gay men have to do with Karl Rove and his legacy. I think that he will eventually be reviled by conservatives for destroying the Repub party.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmNow we’re back to this. You seem to be linking the gay, Republican and shame very tightly together. This is supposed to be about Rove!
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
sounds right on point to me.
i suppose jokes are now out of bounds, since you are so serious about defending the role of the Nitwit-In-Chief's right-hand traitor. Good luck with that.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmNow we’re back to this. You seem to be linking the gay, Republican and shame very tightly together. This is supposed to be about Rove!
Comment by r — August 13, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Rove has no shame.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmHere's a look back at PlameGate and the results of the "Karl Rove Whack-a-Mole Contest."
August 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pmYes, Ringo, if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for the Catholic Church. man, you righties are in desperate straits. You should be happy, the shame of your party has quit. Of course, it's far too late for the USA, but that never bothered you while he was taking the country down.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pm?????
i suppose jokes are now out of bounds, since you are so serious about defending the role of the Nitwit-In-Chief’s right-hand traitor. Good luck with that.
Comment by ronjazz — August 13, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Do you mean Rove? Who is Nitwit-In-Chief’s right-hand traitor? I haven't posted one word in his defense.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmThe media in particular gushed over Adolf Hitler when he first took power. A new Europe! They exclaimed. A force for good in Germany they blathered. It's, to be expected. The news has not caught up with the radical shift in American politics any more than the two parties involved.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:53 pmRove - helped sell an idiot retard to the american public, who chose the retard over an intelligent war hero.
The american public bought it - twice!
Genius!
And what money the saudis and bushes made! Boggles the mind how profitable this all was for the saudis and bushes! Of course americans are worse off now, with tanking economy, limited (worst in industrialized world) health care, and soldiers fighting in a guerilla war in yet another extended tour so that practically they are fighting for 5+years straight...
But who cares! Americans are idiots anyway - bring on American Idol and Dance with the Stars!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pmRove's lowest moment came in the midst of his attempted implementation of the 1-party rule. At a time of unprecedented national unity, when congressional Dems had given Bush almost unqualified support and the people gave him approval ratings in the 80's, Rove encouraged Repubs to use 9-11 as a political tool to wipe out Dems. Despicable and unAmerican. That was when people began to understand what a sick, fallen, ugly man Rove was.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pmIt’s your quote r. You believe it was said that Gay = Republican. Your reading comprehension is far from cute - it shows a lack of education. I guess your ok with that, which is cute if you were a five year old.
Comment by Yikes — August 13, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Rove better not fall asleep around Chris Matthews or he might end up getting a Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummer.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 13, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Good grief. Give it up. The post is still there. QUOTE: “Republican Lewinsky…that is a gay hummerâ€
We understand the Lewinsky = hummer part. How did I get the = Gay part wrong?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pmHow would you like to be called the mastermind behind all the screw-ups in the Bush administration? Hilarious.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:02 pmHere's how I see it.
1: Congress is "off the clock".
2: Herr Rove and Mein Fuhrer have a month, in Texas apparently, to act without immediate over site.
3: At the end of this month Herr Rove will ride off into the sunset.
Conclusion: Bushco is planning something big and dirty. So dirty, in fact, that Herr Rove will have to quit in order to protect the prez from the backlash.
I've got a bad feeling about this.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pmRove encouraged Repubs to use 9-11 as a political tool to wipe out Dems
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 13, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Case in point...Max Cleland. Politics over principal was a Rove Trademark. He took a slim victory as a grand mandate, and tried to cram it down America's throat.The irony was the coupling of political skill with presidential incompetence. The problem with total power is you get the total credit..or in this case...the total Blame.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pmPete: Or, it could be that Rove is quitting ahead of some scandal which will meet full exposure in the next few weeks - possibly proof that he manipulated elections or something like that.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:09 pmRove’s lowest moment came in the midst of his attempted implementation of the 1-party rule. -RCJR
True, they never stopped with the partisan campaigns even after Bush took office.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmPity the poor trolls. Where will they get their marching orders and talking points from now? The pus-filled queen ant is retiring. Who now will spew the foul fog of pheremones so the drones can all act in unison?
August 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmTrue Col. The deed may, in fact, be done already.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI don't agree that Rove was a "mastermind" at all. I think he's a cynical ideologue pushing a hack agenda with a spectacularly bad salesman. I think that in spite of a massive effort to sell them to us by big corporate media, they barely squeaked by in two elections.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmI don’t agree that Rove was a “mastermind†at all. I think he’s a cynical ideologue pushing a hack agenda with a spectacularly bad salesman. I think that in spite of a massive effort to sell them to us by big corporate media, they barely squeaked by in two elections.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 13, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
You're right, Colonel. Not a mastermind -- a thug who is willing to do anything, say anything to achieve his goal.
Much more dangerous.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:23 pmPICOT ORION: "True, they never stopped with the partisan campaigns even after Bush took office."
I guess this is a Bush cultist's attempt at a snarky comment, but I was referring to a speech Rove made to repubs right after 9-11, at a time of national unity, when he urged Republican lawmakers to use the 9-11 attack as a political tool. This was a nasty, cynical move by a nasty, cynical man.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmTotally untrue….The Cotholic Church performed a same-sex bonding rite (often between a Crusading Knight and his squire upon reaching Jerusalem) for hundreds of years, it was never referred to a “marriage†whic has always been a union of a man and a women. Even John Boswell acknowledges this in his famous book on the subject. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
You're wrong. Same-sex marriage was performed, until a homophobic pope in the 12th century stopped them. You're wrong.
This rite is still performed today in the Greek Orthodox Chuch between religious pilgrams to Bethleham.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
You've been listening to Andrew Sullivan for too long.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNot the same thing.
I had an odd dream last night of meeting Karls two sisters [I didn't know he had sisters] and we were joking around about Karls baldness, a joke instigated by them, as brothers and sisters do, and I the subject of politics came up and I said sure, lemme grab a beer and I'll join you at the table. They seemed concerned at that point.
I woke up after this and the first news I read after signing on was Karl resigned. I did a bit of googling and found that Karl did have two sisters. Reba and Alma.
Odd eh?
August 13th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI guess this is a Bush cultist’s attempt at a snarky comment -RCJR
No, Col, I am not now, or then, a Bush follower, nor was the comment meant as snarky. I am tired of the 6 years of "I am a uniter and not a divider" Orwellian schtick and I doubt Karl acted alone when that speech was made by him.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:42 pmTurd Blossom is a "superstar" of the gay porn crowd , and that's about all.
This "political genius" was the architect behind the worst presidency and administration in US history ; that's what these brainless talking heads are gushing over ?
Get a clue........
August 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmMy apologies.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:55 pmThe only way Bush could win an election is with KKKarl's 50 percent plus one vote strategy. On a good note, KKKarl has left the Gay Old Party in a shambles. Now if we could only get the Democratic leadership off of their asses...Sigh.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pmTweety, what are we gonna do wit' cha?
August 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pmOdd eh?
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More than a little.....
August 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmBushco is planning something big and dirty. So dirty, in fact, that Herr Rove will have to quit in order to protect the prez from the backlash.
I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
Comment by pete — August 13, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
ugh...
August 13th, 2007 at 8:02 pmlike sam said - this guy must not be deified...
August 13th, 2007 at 8:09 pmhe is a spectacular FAILURE...
his main accomplishment is destroying the repug party...
came pretty close to destroying the country...
...
With luck, he'll follow further in his predecessor's footsteps (i.e., Lee Atwater).
August 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWow.
A lot of gay bushing here. I thought you libs were accepting of all deviant lifestyles.
August 13th, 2007 at 8:40 pmHere's my full-blown take on it. It's a strange day for politics indeed when David Corn argues for him to stay and Richard Viguerie is saying good riddance to bad rubbish.
August 13th, 2007 at 8:45 pmPolitical genius? Well they succeed in fooling a large quantity of people voting against their own interests...so sure I'll give 'em that but as a whole he is rOVERRATED
August 13th, 2007 at 8:55 pmRove is an intelligent, creative, and valuable resource for the Republican Party, I’m sure we will see more of his work in the future! Comment by clipse — August 13, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
You are an unintelligent, uncreative, useless drone working for the Republican party! Thank you!
It's fools like you that ensure your party won't run this country again for decades!
August 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pmGod I wish that MSNBC would get rid of Tweety and give his spot to David Schuster. Tweety has absolutely zero credibility with anyone these days. I can't believe that there is anyone who still watches him.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:06 pmMalicetowardeveryone
What a perfect moniker for a conservative troll. At least this person is being truthful with their moniker.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:08 pm"When did Rove commit treason?
Comment by Ringo"
When he outed Valerie Plame and her cover company to Matt Cooper.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:11 pmFlashback to the 2004 election....and the legacy of Karl Rove, the man who INVENTED George Bush....
The Houdini Protocol:
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/the_houdini_protocol.html
August 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pm"Rove is an intelligent, creative, and valuable resource for the Republican Party, I’m sure we will see more of his work in the future!
Comment by clipse"
I sure hope so. Because we all know what a good job he did in 2006. More of it is fine with me.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pmThe only reason Rove is considered a genius is because he took a corporatist mindset, married it to religious fanatacism, sprinkled in a bunch of voter suppression and voila! Engineered the Bush reelection based upon divisiveness and hyper partisanship. It's genius because he got large swaths of people to vote against their own self-interest (and he cheated without really getting caught.)
All it takes to be a genius these days is to take discredited isuper elitist deology and form a political victory out of it.
The fact that he could never tell the difference between politics and policy is a feature, not a bug of his "genius".
Rove will be forever remebered as the archiotect of the worst presidency in US history.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pmRove is no political genius. He is someone who has politicized every aspect of government to the detriment of the country. Instead of career prosecutors we have political appointees with no experience. Because of him the Justice department has lost its credibility and its respect among the legal community.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:17 pmDoes anyone have the Vatican's fax machine number? I've finished the paperwork to begin the canonization process for Rove, and I'd like to get the form to Rome ASAP. I imagine there's an additional form I'll need to fill out to see if I can get a waiver for him, beings Karl isn't Catholic.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:22 pmMatthews "Rove is like a fire hydrant!" Great, then let the dogs out.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:39 pmHe was one of the great trinity of under-Bushies to really let us have it: Rove, Cheney and Rumsfeld. As long as he could get 50% plus 1, Rove did not mind that he turned Democrats and Republicans into factions who might take generations to ever really get along again. In trying to get his 100 year Republican control, he really duplicated the Thousand Year Reich in his evil.
Here's hoping Leahy and Conyers persist in keeping him subpoenaed until he testifies and, perhaps, gets to joining some of his Republican colleagues in jail.
Under The LobsterScope
August 14th, 2007 at 12:04 amRove is "the mastermind behind everything"
--Bill Plante
"generally, where there’s brains, there’s Rove."
--Chris Matthews
Is it me, or did these two talking heads imply that Bush is not smart? (Not that I disagree, I just think it's funny that they say these things on the air without realizing the implications)
Also, I have to agree with Andrew Sullivan. For someone who is supposedly a political genius (and should know better,) Rove managed to damage the reputation of the Bush clan, the Republican party, and the standing of the US in the world. Not to mention alienating the current administration from other Republicans and social conservatives. Unless, of course, that was his actual goal all along.
With Rove as a friend, who needs enemies.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:28 amKarl Rove was to Bush what Rasputin was to Csar Nicholas of Russia.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:42 amIf Rove was such a "genius" how come he didn't see the democratic takeover of Congress coming when everyone else did?
August 14th, 2007 at 1:52 amhi.good site.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:37 amMatthews is enough to gag a maggot off a gut wagon.
I haven't watched his pathetic propaganda extravaganza
for over a year now. Praise Jupiter for the ability to block
certain worthless programs from even tuning in on the cable
box.
Rove did every evil deed he could think of to bring the Republic
August 14th, 2007 at 4:01 amto its knees, and bring about a New Right Wing American Reich.
And now that the American people see these thugs in their
true light, Rove will get his wish. The only problem is, the one
Party rule will be by the Democrats. And that will be what the
history books will remember him for. In the end, people like Shizer Blossom have brought about the utter collapse of the so called,
"Family Values" Party, and helped expose the Right for the evil
self serving thugs they really always were, and always will be.
Rove should have to stick around until the bitter end of Iraq, like the soldiers he has sent there. They too would like to be spending more tme with their families.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:55 am"He took a chance to realign the country and to unite it in a war - and threw it away in a binge of hate-filled niche campaigning, polarization and short-term expediency.â€
Actually, he's smart enouigh to have gotten EXACTLY what he wanted.
Rove >= Goebbels
August 14th, 2007 at 9:59 amkarl rove you criminal WHO GOT CAUGHT.
WTF do you mean "my own terms?
YOU GOT CAUGHT YOU RETARD
no one believes you, not even the hicks and farmers.
now burn in hell
August 14th, 2007 at 10:00 ambilbobaggins-
He never outed her and she was not working for the Company at the time. Also, I thought you were against the Company, anyhow?
A democratic party is against self reliance and examples and what's to set up special rights for "special" groups?
How about that for anti-American?
August 14th, 2007 at 10:12 amI have never heard so much hate toward fellow citizens like I do in here.
I thought it was okay to ask a question without being ridiculed and dumped on.
If this is the civility and kindness the left wingers claim they are. I sure will hate it when or if you ever get the white house.
It is like the KKK of the modern times. Don't like 'em. Don't agree with 'em.
Ridicule, demise and lynch 'em.
Nice! Mob rule of the 21st century.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:16 amWhen people were accusing Rove of being involved with the Plame outting, or vote caging, the media accused them of fearmongering and conspiracy theories. Now that Rove is gone, the media not only says he is the "mastermind behind everything" but they say it in a way that is happy and proud of where Rove has taken America.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:26 amLost somewhere in the incredibly hateful and vitriolic discussions everyone seems to be having is this little nugget.
There have only been four instances in which one party completely swept to power in congress (well, four since the direct election of senators began anyways). 1952, 1954, 1994 and 2006. Forget about 1994 and 2006 and we'll talk about 1952 and 1954.
In 1952, the American people, fed up with the Truman administration (which held the previous record for lowest approval ratings) swept the Democrats out of Congress and the White House (electing Dwight Eisenhower in a landslide), filling it with Republicans that would "fix the problem". Low and behold, the Republican controlled government sucked ass and two years later, the Democrats swept back into power in Congress, control that would last exactly forty years.
This congress has passed one piece of meaningful legislation (minimum wage increase) and wasted a whole lot of time passing non-binding resolutions (as well as wasting our money, since we pay their salaries). So all the people who fervently believe that the dems are going to stay in power a long time, don't be so sure. Hilary Clinton (who will likely get the nomination, which drives me nuts ) is a polarizing figure. Fred Thompson (who will likely ride his Law & Order fame and Reagan like outsider status to the nomination) is not, at least not yet. The Deomcratic congress has the lowest approval rating in the history of Congress and seems more concerned with improving their public appearance than doing anything useful (impeachment anyone?).
This was originally a post about the media's love fest for Karl Rove, how it degenerated into a hate fueled discussion of gay rights, bigotry and vitriol is beyond me. I watched Countdown last night, the Daily Show, read three dozen articles about the resignation and heard a lot of different viewpoints. Some people love Karl Rove, some hate him. If you don't like the mainstream media, change the channel, or better yet, turn off the tv. People are allowed to have their opinions, not matter how much you may disagree with them.
the punk
August 14th, 2007 at 10:47 amhttp://www.punkredneckphilosophy.com
everyone is right. everyone is retarded
August 14th, 2007 at 11:27 amChris Matthews is amazingly naive for a man his age. I'm at least 10 years younger than him and I can see that!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:25 amIf Andrew Sullivan said water was wet, I'd turn on the tap to check for myself.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:15 amI like it very much,it is too useful.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:56 am