Comments on: British MPs Urge Break With Bush On Iraq, Escalation ‘Not Likely To Succeed’

By: nullowen lewinton

nullowen lewinton — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:07:59 +0000

america elected a petty,mean spirited,ill read demogogue.why in heavens name did we take our lead from him? Shame on tony and sherry,our own two headed dim wits

By: Probus

Probus — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:17:35 +0000

The Iraq war can’t be compared to WWII or Korea. It can however be compared to Vietnam. Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam. In Vietnam the policy was flawed. In Iraq the policy of stay the course (or surge) is also flawed.

By: O. Bigfoot

O. Bigfoot — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:12:15 +0000

“And your comparisons to WWII and Korea are totally bogus. In neither of those situations did one country invade another country and then stay to occupy that country and tell them how to run their government and their lives.

Comment by bilbobaggins â€” August 13, 2007 @ 3:48 pm”

bilbo! You just identified yourself as one of the most uninformed people here. You’re disqualified from further intelligent discussion until further notice.

Read and learn:

We did, indeed, stay and occupy Germany after WW2, and we told them how to run their country:

http://www.army.mil/cmh/books/wwii/Occ-GY/

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=769

We did, indeed, stay and occupy Japan after WW2, and we told them how to run their country:

http://www.crf-usa.org/election_central/japan_democracy.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupied_Japan

And indeed, we have occupied Korea and told them how to run their government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea

By: Probus

Probus — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:05:19 +0000

The British are right, Bush can no longer win this civil war no matter how many troops are sent to Iraq. Progress can only be made politically which is no longer possible. Maliki’s government is incapable of it. The surge has failed because of this.

By: squidbilly

squidbilly — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:24:11 +0000

Dead Eye Dick thought invading Iraq was a bad idea in 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

By: Steamboater

Steamboater — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:57:43 +0000

We should have learned that you can’t fight a guerilla war (which is what is happening in Iraq) with a conventional army. It happend in Vietnam and it happened to the French as well in Vietnam. The Brits were exposed to it several times throughout history and you would have thought at least the Brits would have never gotten involved in Iraq. Now that Blair is out (and hopefully heading for a jail cell along with Cheney and Bush), the Brits have come to their senses. Forced to actually. They’re under siege in Iraq. We’re under siege in Baghdad. This war was lost the very first day an American and British soldier stepped foot in Baghdad. What happens to the Iraqies after we leave–if we do–can’t be our concern any more. They either act responsibly and get their act together or act recklessly and murder each other. To stay, with even a minimum amount of troops in Iraq, would only put them in more danger then they are now. Training Iraqi security forces would be a sham because while continuing to train the untrainable, these forces left in Iraq would still have to fight for their lives every day. Then we would have to send more forces in to protect them. It’s a mindless, never-ending circle. We need to leave Iraq, completely. All forces need to be withdrawn and none left there.

By: carolyn ackmann

carolyn ackmann — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:13:51 +0000

Seen on Huffington comments today: “When fascism comes, it will come wrapped in the flag and the cross.” Sinclair Lewis. Wow. The man had foresight didn’t he? (And thanks to the guy/gal who posted it!)

By: Jeff

Jeff — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:15:57 +0000

Americans aren’t trolls, we just have a Goblin-king trying to turn our country into Gringotts…….

By: James of Austin

James of Austin — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:12:47 +0000

When reason is cast to the wind (as Dubya has consistently done) and the vacuum is filled with fear and dogma (as Dubya and his fellow war mongers and the extreme right wing in America have done) the victim is the US Constitution. Thomas Jefferson had many words written on this topic in his letters and speaches. It is amazing how it holds true to this day. Make enough people afraid and have the extremists rely on blind faith and the result is what we have seen for the past 5+ years. Freedom at it’s foundation is easily torn away when fear and dogma rule the day.

The world may be “different” after 9-11 but the US Constitution has not changed a bit. Not one new Constitutional amendment has been offered in congress nor from the executive. Only changes in law that are non-constitutional. Here in my Texas enclave I have no problem setting fear aside. Until I drive on interstate 35 that is.

By: Tobey Tall

Tobey Tall — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:58:51 +0000

Iranian sposed to be

By: Tobey Tall

Tobey Tall — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:58:30 +0000

â€œThe government of Iraq does not want us to leave, regardless. And they do not want us to set arbitrary timetables.

cause Maliki is an Iraian really

By: DRxJ

DRxJ — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:58:03 +0000

notice how the sparring begins in another thread above this one, and suddenly, O.Bigfoot disappears.

Huh.

By: bilbobaggins

bilbobaggins — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:50:55 +0000

“When did you folks figure we were going to pull out of Korea? Or Okinawa? Comment by O. Bigfoot â€œ

When they ask us to leave, I do believe we will go. The South Koreans want us to be there to help protect them from the North Koreans. I’m not sure how Okinawa comes into this argument since as far as I know all we have there is a military base.

For your argument to be intellectually honest, we would have to be occupying Korea and Okinawa. We are doing neither.

By: bilbobaggins

bilbobaggins — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:21 +0000

“The government of Iraq does not want us to leave, regardless. And they do not want us to set arbitrary timetables.
When did you folks figure we were going to pull out of Korea? Or Okinawa?
Comment by O. Bigfoot “

The Maliki government does not want us to leave because we are all that is between them and their people. We are Maliki and we are protecting him. As long as we are willing to protect him, he is more or less going to do our bidding. But, the Iraqi Parliament (they are part of the government, don’t you know) does want us to leave.

And your comparisons to WWII and Korea are totally bogus. In neither of those situations did one country invade another country and then stay to occupy that country and tell them how to run their government and their lives.

By: Keith

Keith — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:48:14 +0000

We left Vietnam based on the timelines that Kissinger and Nixon had negotiated with the enemy. It was the same deal we could have gotten in 1968.

By: Keith

Keith — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:44:18 +0000

Tobey,
How about Palau? They are a big part of the Coalition of the Willing, even though it was news to their leader when a reporter asked him.

By: Keith

Keith — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:41:59 +0000

When are we going to leave the 750 bases in 130 other countries? In 2000, Bush said Clinton had our military overextended and we should bring some home.

By: DRxJ

DRxJ — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:41:41 +0000

The government of Iraq does not want us to leave, regardless. And they do not want us to set arbitrary timetables.
Comment by O. Bigfootinmouth â€” August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

Wow! Just….Wow!
To quote your own:
Where do some of you get your facts, from Ripleyâ€™s Believe it or Not?

By: Tobey Tall

Tobey Tall — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:41:10 +0000

O. Bigfoot – What if the whole world could vote in the U.S. presidential election?

http://www.betavote.com/

Kerry 421,770 (88%)
Bush 55,242 (11%)

bush wins were

Samoa
Niger
Kiribati
Cocos (keeling) Islands
Cook Islands

By: Keith

Keith — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:39:33 +0000

Bigfoot,
The invasion, occupation, and selling off of Iraq’s oil is greatly increasing the
“radical militant Muslim fringe”. “The radical kook left fringe” is currently 71% of Americans—including 42% of Republicans.