Rangel On Draft: ‘It’s Easy To Talk About Supporting A War If Someone Else Is Fighting That War’
Rangel On Draft: ‘It’s Easy To Talk About Supporting A War If Someone Else Is Fighting That War’
Prior to the invasion of Iraq, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY) introduced legislation to re-implement the military draft, arguing that the cost of war should be borne more broadly.
Donald Rumsfeld said of Rangel’s legislation: “We’re not going to re-implement a draft. There is no need for it at all.” More than four years after the war began, the White House has changed its thinking as it seeks more resources to maintain its escalation. Last Friday, the White House “war czar,” Gen. Doug Lute, suggested that the reinstitution of the military draft is being kept on the table.
Appearing on ABC this weekend, Rangel suggested that the Bush administration would “get out of Iraq so fast if they thought that Middle America had to make any sacrifices.” He added, “Believe me, when a Congress knows you’re talking about their community and their families, you’re reluctant to go to war in Iraq as speedily as we have.”
Rangel went on to explain that there’s already a version of the draft taking place:
It’s easy to talk about supporting a war if someone else is fighting that war. And we already have an economic draft. We’re holding hostage reservists, National Guard. We’re enticing kids that come from the highest unemployment areas with $15 — $20 — $30,000 dollars.
But for the middle class and the kids of the Congress, and the Pentagon, and the White House, they’re not involved. So you find a situation where people support the war, but not my kids.
Watch it:
Rangel continues to push for a draft, but argues that it should not resemble the one this nation experienced in Vietnam. “Vietnam had a political draft,” he said. “All you had to do is what Cheney did, what Bush did. All you had to do was know a politician and get deferments.” Rangel is calling for a draft with no deferments.
UPDATE: Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has written a letter to President Bush asking him to clarify his policy with respect to the draft.
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Lets hear from one man who is doing the fighting:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBflQLa75C8
August 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmHe should’ve also reminded American that GEORGE BUSH DOESN’T CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE.
Neither does the rest of the Republican Party. They got theirs. They get more thanks to Bush. The poor get shafted. Republicans don’t care.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:00 pmTry that link again…
One man who is doing the fighting:
August 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBflQLa75C8
The draft will wake middle American out of its stupor. Bush wants to get us so entrenched with Iraq and Iran so that the next president has to reenact the draft. Make it happen now so people understand it is because of Bushco policies that we need the draft.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:04 pmhow about everyone who supports this illegal war enlist their kids? i don’t support the administraion and i don’t support the war effort….and i have told every recruiter that has called my house promising my kids the world that they can call back when bush is out of office.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:05 pmwhen jenna and barbara enlist so will my kids
August 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThrowing the draft on the table is the surest way out of Iraq. I say “BRING IT ON”
August 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTry that link again…
One man who is doing the fighting:
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
You mean – UNLIKE YOU?!?!? Both the man and the fighting part.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:07 pmRangel, like many of you anti-war people, only want the draft reinstated so that you can protest against it.
You know, you don’t need a draft in order to run off to Canada or France; you’re free to go now if you’d like….America won’t miss you.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIf it takes a draft without exceptions or deferments to wake the sheeple up, then so be it. Let’s also have a public tv station broadcasting the return of each casket as it is offloaded from the airplane, and each funeral (at a respectful distance).
August 13th, 2007 at 3:08 pmBring it home, make it real, it’ll end.
Rangel is calling for a draft with no deferments.
aren’t there variables included though, that would apply
to public service, not just military service…
could be another plan i’ve heard of…
that idea would be a good one for this generation of
August 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmidjits and slackers…
just sayin’…
> I don’t think that Rangel’s idea will be accepted by the American people.
They would, if there was reason enough for it. The current “buy on impulse, charge my VISA” war does not count. But would Congress pass that? Naahh…
Anyway, the epoch of wars with “reason enough” is long gone anyways.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:10 pmActually, I think this is the magic bullet for the Democrats. They need to tell Bush that if he expects any more money for Iraq he will need to reinstate the draft and bring home the soldiers who are on their 3rd and 4th deployment. That way the Right can’t say that the Democrats don’t support the troops and it will put Bush on the hot seat to keep his war going. It will also make it HIS war and not allow him to put it on the shoulders of the Democrats.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI wish there were a statute insisting that all war funds be paid from liquid tax monies, and not borrowed. As people saw the real cost of this fiasco, they’d end it yesterday.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:11 pmSo sharon is a fair-weather patriot. What happens if Hillary takes the white house and decides to send your kid off to Serbia like her husband did, to fight a war against a country on the other side of the world who offered no threat to the United States? Here is a clue for ya: if your kid is eligible for military service, they are able to make a decision for themselves.
I served in the late eighties and was offered $40K to stay in and I didnt grow up in the ghetto, this is nothing new. Depending on your specialty, you can make all sorts of dough as a reenlistment bonus. My boy just finished boot camp and is ready to move on to his first unit which may include combat duty (he doesnt know yet). My kid is a man, yours must still be a child.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIf it takes a draft without exceptions or deferments to wake the sheeple up, then so be it. Let’s also have a public tv station broadcasting the return of each casket as it is offloaded from the airplane, and each funeral (at a respectful distance).
Bring it home, make it real, it’ll end.
Comment by RUCerious — August 13, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
No the news has to focus on missing white girls, when that fails they spend a weeks on a fallen bridge or a coal mine accident until the next disaster happens. Anything to avoid discussing the casualties in Iraq.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
You carry no expertise on defense matters. Just shut up.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmangel, like many of you anti-war people, only want the draft reinstated so that you can protest against it.
You know, you don’t need a draft in order to run off to Canada or France; you’re free to go now if you’d like….America won’t miss you.
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
No – we want it so those soldiers on their 3rd deployments can get a break, as well so cowards like you might end up seeing what real war is like.
It’s easy to be a cheer leader, just ask your president.
But seriously, if you’re of draft age, you better think twice about the wars you enable.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAlan-MT-If your kid is a ‘man’, are you ready for the real possibility he will die in Iraq?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
This one’s a racist.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmYou carry no expertise on defense matters. Just shut up.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Neither do you kid. STFU.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmSo sharon is a fair-weather patriot. What happens if Hillary takes the white house and decides to send your kid off to Serbia like her husband did, to fight a war against a country on the other side of the world who offered no threat to the United States? Comment by Alan-MT — August 13, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
You’ve confused Iraq with Kosovo. Iraq posed no threat, but Kosovo was having a genocide and ethnic cleansing. So much so, NATO and even Russia got involved.
Tell yourself another lie traitor – this one makes you look stupid.
If you served in the 80s, that explains the PTS lunatic post. Get a therapist – your tinfoil hatred of Clinton shows you need some serious psychiatric treatment! Thank you for your service, and please, get some medical care before you kill your family or do some other crazy PTS act.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:15 pmBush would only allow a draft: If his daughters and Cheney’s daughters were exempted, Romney’s sons exempted, and the wealthy elite’s children exempted.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
This one’s a racist.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
This one’s a moron.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThis one’s a racist.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Ah, my favorite Republican act. Especially popular among the GOP retirees and trainees – both of whom have the maturity of a 12 year old shut in boy.
You’re a bigot – you’ve already established that son.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:16 pmYou carry no expertise on defense matters. Just shut up.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Says the boy that claims to be too young to marry. How much experience would a ‘child’ like you have by contrast? More GOP projection – BORING!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAlan-MT-If your kid is a ‘man’, are you ready for the real possibility he will die in Iraq?
I have been ready my entire life that he may die while acting foolish in his first car, decide to skydive and have the chute fail or die because he decided to use drugs and overdose.
My boy made the decision himself, he visited the recruiters and afterward asked my advice which consisted of “tell me what you think and Ill tell you what I know”. My son is a responsible nineteen year old man who made his decision himself, he knows what might await him. I wont be a mother hen and try to stand in the way of what HE holds important. Get that? What “HE” thinks is right for himself.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmRingo,
Thanks for the link. I agree that Rangel’s motives are less than honorable, to say the least.
Comment by Malice
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The cynicism inolved in promoting a draft in order to stir up anti-war activism is amazing…..but not surprising.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
We make that accusation every once in a while, when it’s with merit. Lefties, on the other hand, are professional victims by trade, so they’ll cry ______ist at every stoplight.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:18 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Leave before TP bans you.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:19 pmRangel is correct that we already have a draft: The government is paying quick deployment bonus money : $20,000 for each new recruit. The folks joining aren’t the usual calaber that we knew. I read where felons, former rejects, and gang members are signing up. And what about the National Guard redeployments for third and fourth tours without adequate R&R? Don’t get me started about the poor PTSD soldiers who are called back and not getting mental health relief. Unless we redeploy out of Iraq, what is the option? No deferments will mean no phony wars like Iraq. We should be in Afganistan to finish those who started this mess.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:20 pmRun on the draft dems, Ya ya thats a great idea.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Most people I know aren’t married before 20, so shut up. Stop projecting.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pmBut seriously, if you’re of draft age, you better think twice about the wars you enable.
Comment by Dick Stalin Cheney
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I’m far too old to be drafted.
Just curious though, why haven’t you gone off to join the Iraqi insurgency…..or the Taliban?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pmGet that? What “HE†thinks is right for himself.
Comment by Alan-MT — August 13, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Whatever works for you and your family is what you should do. Many parents are actively telling their children not to enlist because they don’t believe this “war” is a reason for their child to be put in harms way. I’m sure you don’t want those parents judging you so why do you judge them?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmRingo; I’v already been protesting against Bushitler, his admin, his policies for years. Just one more thing(draft) to be in the streets against.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Leave before TP bans you.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
I thought this troll enjoyed his work. So sad to see it descend into a pool of despair and despondency. No, we aren’t leaving. And no you’re not annoying.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:23 pmMore like a small speck of bird crap on the windshield that’ll get scraped off at the next car wash.
Now Mitt Romney knows a thing or two about being a Chickenhawk. His sons rather than fight for their country, are earning the Medal of Freedom conducting campaign minstrels. Nice. Wave the flag, hide behind the skirt. Them righties, they know how to start a war but their a little short on backing it. Like every other policy of theirs, it is hollow from the get go.
No, no need for a draft, no need for armored vehicles or bullet proof vests or sufficient troops to secure the munitions sites, the nukular sites, the oil lines, or museums, government buildings. We can win with a good platoon. You know, you go to war with the Army you have. (And the media bought that one. What an idiot Rumskull was. You go to war with the Army you have WHEN you don’t have a choice). When the choice is yours and you just want to up and invade someone cause you don’t like them or they “tried ta kill my daddie”, well then makes sense to maybe gear up for it. Unless ofcourse, you don’t care how many soldiers get killed. Afterall, some of them are Godless atheists, and turn to worm dirt according to at least one Army Chaplan.
So thus far our policies have been a blazing success, bringing ruin to both Iraq, its citizens, our Army, just about everyone but the unknown mercenarys. Yeah, dead-eye Dick, he’s a smart one alright.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pm*
August 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pmseriously, the best thing for ALL is to
ignore the assinine comments from certain troolls…
please…
it’s the only way to clean it up…
.
I’m far too old to be drafted. Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Explains why you’re such a cowardly chickenhawk.
Just curious though, why haven’t you gone off to join the Iraqi insurgency…..or the Taliban? Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Why aren’t you there? You can surely find something supportive to do in Iraq? You don’t have to be a soldier you know. Coward – hypocrite!
We don’t support this war – you claim to. Loser.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:24 pmLeave before TP bans you.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Threatening posters just like the Nazi in you was doing yesterday. Namejacking my ass.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe cynicism inolved in promoting a draft in order to stir up anti-war activism is amazing…..but not surprising.
Comment by Ringo
You’re lack of depth of understanding is not surprising.
Before we stormed Iraq, Shrub was advised to DOUBLE the size of the US Troop deployment. Our military was TOO SMALL, but Dumbya “went fer it” anyway. It’s been enumerated many times since that more troops are needed to secure a country the size of Iraq.
Since Neoturds and their boot-lickers DON’T WANT to fight because they’re Chickenhawks, they poo-poo the mere SUGGESTION of a draft.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmYOU PUNKS DONE WROTE A CHECK YER A$$ CAN’T CASH, P*SSY MOTHERF*CKERS.
Most people I know aren’t married before 20, so shut up. Stop projecting. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
In your redneck world, that means you’re an old b!tcheler. Didn’t anyone tell you?
So shut up, and stop projecting. You’re too young and stupid to be an expert on the topics you’re shouting other wiser and better informed people on. You’re too cowardly to serve in the military. And you’re too arrogant to learn exactly how useless you are as a human being.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmChickenhawk…..Coward – hypocrite!
Comment by AlanIsATraitor
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Blah, blah….
August 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pmLeave before TP bans you.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Why, you think TP is your site? Cowardly troll?
You’re a fool.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Look, it’s randomly calling posters “losers.” Riveting.
How many other names have you posted under, son?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Crazy lefties get banned here, and it’s happening more often.
TP is become a more conservative (rational) site.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmLook, it’s randomly calling posters “losers.†Riveting. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Look, it’s so ignorant it thinks any act it doesn’t do is random. Loser.
How many other names have you posted under, son?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
The 20 year old chickenhawk coward calling someone else ’son’ – ah, republican irony!!!!
When your balls drop, we can talk about you calling anyone ’son’. Until then chickenhawk, go down to the nearest enlistment center.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmBlah, blah….
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Nice of you to summarize all of your posts. Well said.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Project much?
Really, project much?
Don’t project your personal shortcomings onto other people.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pm> The cynicism inolved in promoting a draft in order to stir up anti-war activism is
> amazing…..but not surprising.
> Comment by Ringo
That’s fracken bullshit. It’s the croupier asking again if you are really sure you want to put all your money on red, 14. Hell, if the draft stirs up “anti-war activism” then this means that the US is just too weak to take it. Pity.
But hey, as long as you show the same courage in typing as do the people on the ground looking for a non-existent “victory”, nothing bad will happen.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:30 pmThrowing the draft on the table is the surest way out of Iraq. I say “BRING IT ONâ€
Comment by Master Shake
And if they do another “gulf of tonkin” two weeks later and they start sending us all over to Iran THEN what will you say?
Dont think that will happen? Who will stop it? The democrats? Ya right.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmCrazy lefties get banned here, and it’s happening more often. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
That remains to be seen. You however are a lunatic wingnut no matter what site you post on.
TP is become a more conservative (rational) site.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Perhaps so, perhaps not. Doesn’t change you being a coward – SON…
August 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmJust shut up.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Leave before TP bans you.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
so shut up. Stop projecting.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Join the Corps like your daddy did, get some stripes and then you can order people around… right now you’re just a spoiled military BRAT…
August 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI’m all for the draft. I wanna see some of the spoiled candyassed children of the Christian Reichwing Fascists die for their country…I’ll gladly drink their parent’s bitter tears.booohoooo
August 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI SAID:
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seriously, the best thing for ALL is to
ignore the assinine comments from certain troolls…
please…
it’s the only way to clean it up…
.
had enough of that crap over the weekend…
August 13th, 2007 at 3:31 pmnow play nice or GO.
.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Do all college pukes in “Ver-geeenia” live with their mommies like you, or are you just a typical Neoturd wannabe?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by AlanIsATraitor — August 13, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Lefty with the talking-points: You’re late for your meeting with Al-Qaeda.
Get lost. Get out.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmProject much?
Really, project much?
Don’t project your personal shortcomings onto other people.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Ah, poor little 20 year old ignorant republican… Thinks no one can see his projections. Sad, pathetic little loser!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:32 pmGet that? What “HE†thinks is right for himself.
we are all our parents’ children, and they bring to the table only what we teach them..
August 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmTP is become a more conservative (rational) site.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Progressives have left voluntarily so they don’t have to read the crap you post. Why aren’t you in Iraq chickenhawk? Don’t ask don’t tell remember.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:33 pmDo all college pukes in “Ver-geeenia†live with their mommies like you, or are you just a typical Neoturd wannabe?
Comment by Not Canadian — August 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
the one word answer man strikes again:YES.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmLefty with the talking-points: You’re late for your meeting with Al-Qaeda. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
You referring to the SAUDI organization that RayGun funded and trained? Who’s leader is still free, and not a priority for Republicans to catch?
Like I said – PROJECT MUCH?
Get lost. Get out.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Get enlisted. Coward!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmFor those “supporters” of the war, here is a FACT for you to swallow…..
Patraeus (SP?) wrote the manual on what it would take to secure a country after a invassion…..
He states that you would need 1 soldier for EVERY 40 people in the country…..
Now he is just swaying in the wind by IGNORING his own research and manual!
So, if he does not follow what he creates himself then HOW CAN HE BE TRUSTED????
He is just a puppet at this point with ZERO balls to actually state anything beyond the WH talking points.
That would be why other Generals were let go before the war, because they too understood that it would take at least 650,000 troops to be successful.
So from the start, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and anyone else (NOT GENERAL RELATED) involved in the planning was WRONG!!!!
Yet, YOU want people to support something that Bush screwed up so badly because he “knew” more than the Generals…….
August 13th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThese trolls speak of Rangel as if he doesn’t understand what soldiers go through and some how unqualified to speak on the subject. Besides the obvious fact that this also makes most trolls unqualified to speak on the subject, it’s also mistaken. In fact Charlie Rangel fought valiantly in Korea in a battle that killed nearly half his unit, and is a genuine war hero with a Bronze Star to prove it.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pmCT_Version 2
Your military expertise, is based on your father, being in the army.
Kid, you have no military expertise, and what is more, for all of your claims of supporting the war, no real concept of war. You think it is all romance and action, all your daddy being strong and never losing a man to the enemy. You think that destruction, makes you more of a man.
You don’t have a concept of war, so you champion it in blissful ignorance. If you ever are cursed with a fate bad enough to allow you to actually see war, well,
August 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Comment by Ex Jarhead — August 13, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Already have tried to join the military. Have a hearing impairment. I’ve discussed this in many threads before, yet you lefties even attempt to spin THAT.
Again, stop mocking the Marines. You are not a Marine.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Join the Corps like your daddy did, get some stripes and then you can order people around… right now you’re just a spoiled military BRAT…
Comment by Ex Jarhead — August 13, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
CT doesn’t even know who his father is. That’s why he falls for all the propaganda he’s fed. His mother, the meth addict, would happily take his enlistment bonus. So why doesn’t he shut up and sign up. Maybe HE IS the al qaeda lover.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmJust curious though, why haven’t you gone off to join the Iraqi insurgency…..or the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
For someone thats too old for the military, you’re pretty stupid, and unwise. Just because I don’t support some stupid war based on lies to steal oil, does not mean I support the taliban / insurgency.
See thats the problem with you right wingers, everything is black and white. And your stupid ass “You’re either with us, or against us” empty rhetoric.
Hitler really did love people like you, blindly following him. No questions asked.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDoes Rangel have kids?
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Do you? Because if they’re not in Iraq – STFU.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmwe better have a draft, only sane countries require military service for some. It is a sure way their idiot parents don’t start wars.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“Already have tried to join the military. Have a hearing impairment. I’ve discussed this in many threads before, yet you lefties even attempt to spin THAT.
Again, stop mocking the Marines. You are not a Marine.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm”
Try again……
They have dropped the requirements so low that even a felon can get in, so I am sure that someone with a hearing problem can pass now…..
Back in my day, I had to get a waver for low arches….. Now they would just zip me by without even batting an eye…… Of course, now I am too old and I would not join now for an ILLEGAL war.
Thank god I was smart enough to join when I was younger, though I almost got stuck in a Bush war though…… Go figure……
August 13th, 2007 at 3:39 pmHave a hearing impairment.
Comment by CT_Version 2
You mean brain impairment, disguised as a chronic ‘hearing ailment’.
Trust me, there’s more than enough room for a retard like yourself to enlist. But you prefer the ‘Keyboard Commando’ squad like a true Neoturd Chickenhawk.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Just curious though, why haven’t you gone off to join the Iraqi insurgency…..or the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo — August 13, 2007 @ 3:21 pm”
We don’t support the insurgernts or the Taliban. Our position is that Bush and you are wrong about the war, not that the Taliban is right. If everybody who disagreed with you on the war joined the Taliban about 90% of the people in the world would be in the Taliban.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBut you knew that already, didn’t you?
You mean brain impairment, disguised as a chronic ‘hearing ailment’.
Comment by Not Canadian — August 13, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Well he has proven he can’t ‘hear’ the truth. A code word for psychotic.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmtest
August 13th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHey,
Some people:
“Refuse to fight in a war started by people who refused to fight in a war.”
Then again, some people HAVE common sense.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmtest
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
You fail – chickenhawk coward.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
You have no experience with the military, you have no room to speak.
You have no qualifications as a human being.
Bring it, lefty.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmAlready have tried to join the military. Have a hearing impairment. I’ve discussed this in many threads before, yet you lefties even attempt to spin THAT.
Again, stop mocking the Marines. You are not a Marine.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
And you are such a total liar but we are supposed to believe the hearing impairment. If you told us the impairment was mental it would be more believable. Nobody should believe anything you say and that includes the bs about impairments. Just like your Nazi rants yesterday were namejacking, NOT.
Sign up or shut up CHICKENHAWK.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by Not Canadian — August 13, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Sorry, your projection doesn’t count.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmAlready have tried to join the military. Have a hearing impairment.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Oh, an excuse… Oh well, I’m sure your daddy would be proud that you’ve appointed yourself the master gunny of this list and you’re in here ordering people around, just as if you actually did have some experience and authority… be sure to cc all your posts to daddy kid…
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmfail
August 13th, 2007 at 3:42 pmYou have no experience with the military, you have no room to speak. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Projection.
You have no qualifications as a human being. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Projection.
Bring it, lefty.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Coward blustering.
You can’t handle a real fight, otherwise you’d be in Iraq – LOSER!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:43 pmSorry, your projection doesn’t count.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
You always criticize yourself, but you’re too stupid to know it. Yep, you’re a republican alright!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pm‘Bringing the war to the Right’, would be a cool move Charley.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHard to hear in here, so much “squawkin” from the Chickenhawks, it’s almost deafening.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“Have a hearing impairment.”
Comment by CT_Version 2
Eh, what’s that you say?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:44 pmA hairy impalement?
Eh, Eh?
Comment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Look at it, attempting to use caps and be tough.
Vent, loser. Vent.
If YOU, of all people, believe I’m lying, I might start convulsing in my sleep. Oh, the horror.
You’re just old and smelly, not very appealing.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWe Republicans expect Democrats to fight our battles for us! That’s why we whine and moan that you aren’t serving when we refuse to!!!
Oh, my ear hurts, my ear hurts!!! I would have used the ‘nal cysts excuse, but Rove and Limbaugh beat me to it!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:45 pmLook at it, attempting to use caps and be tough. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Says the 20 year old virgin that won’t fight in Iraq. Pure projection!
Vent, loser. Vent. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Pure projection. Why else would a 20 year old republican virgin spend his time on a progressive website! Pure projection!
If YOU, of all people, believe I’m lying, I might start convulsing in my sleep. Oh, the horror. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Oh, surely your cowardice is enough of a reason to convulse in your sleep.
You’re just old and smelly, not very appealing.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
What’s your excuse? Loser?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pmt
August 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
You have no experience with the military, you have no room to speak.
You have no qualifications as a human being.
Bring it, lefty.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
If chickenhawks like you would enlist and stop claiming lame impairments we wouldn’t need the draft. But all the big war supporters are sitting at their keyboards claiming exemptions from fighting. SIGN UP OR SHUT UP, LIAR.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmIf this goes on, CT will slit his wrists in his confusion and existential terror.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmCT: with a bwaaak, bwaaak here and a bwaaak, bwaaak there.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Another lefty nerd, scooting around as a name-jacker calling other people virgins. What a life.
The irony.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOh, my ear hurts, my ear hurts!!! I would have used the ‘nal cysts excuse, but Rove and Limbaugh beat me to it!!!
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Ohhh, and SOOOO true.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThe military itself says it does not need the draft, and does not want the draft. That’s should be the end of that discussion.
Rangel is just blowing air to get on TV. Notice how much he enjoys talking with Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, etc.? He’s a willing and popular foil for conservative radio and TV hosts. He likes the attention. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just that he isn’t taken seriously. If all of his talk supporting the draft hasn’t gained traction in nearly 5 years, it’s not going to gain any traction now.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pmHey, yo CunT_Virgin_2,
Tone down your maniacal, ranting, cursing posts and maybe you’ll get through, though I doubt it…
August 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pmYou’re just old and smelly, not very appealing.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
So you tell people your father is a marine and they believe you. Your mother doesn’t even know who your father is. Again, you take out your anger towards her on me. Whatever keeps you from crapping yourself I guess. But you lying is pathological now, get help and SIGN UP OR SHUT UP.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAnother lefty nerd, scooting around as a name-jacker calling other people virgins. What a life. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
A name-jacker is someone that takes on the exact name. This is called a ‘parody’ name – not name-jacking. STUPID LOSER!!!
As for being a nerd, I’m not the one that’s 20, single, and so stupid he doesn’t realize that he can be in Iraq fighting for his country instead of ‘pretending’, and looking like a hypocrite! You’re such a nerd!
The irony.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
The irony indeed! A pathetic nerd that doesn’t even know what name-jacking means! What a loser!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmRush Limpdick claimed a deferment for a pimple on his ass- I personally changed the bandages of guys with same ailment while serving as a Navy corpsman during Vietnam.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThe military itself says it does not need the draft, and does not want the draft. That’s should be the end of that discussion.
RIGHT! Because the military would like to be RE-DEPLOYED by someone with an IQ above 60.
Now, back in the the woods, ye swarthy ape!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIf this goes on, CT will slit his wrists in his confusion and existential terror.
Comment by Troll Hater — August 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
And that would be a bad thing?
August 13th, 2007 at 3:53 pmPlease fight my battles for me – liberals! Because I can’t hear anything with those two d’cks stuck in my ears!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“The military itself says it does not need the draft, and does not want the draft. That’s should be the end of that discussion.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 13, 2007 @ 3:51 pm”
Here is a real intelligent individual……
Hey smart guy…… The Army does want it because they CANNOT recruit people without bribing them with 40,000 dollars and a 20,000 bonus for leaving in 30 days….
You realize how much money that Bush is throwing at people to bribe them to join????? Do you realize how many salaries that would pay for if the draft was re-instated????
Either it is gonna happen soon, or the military will crumble faster than the exploded World Trade Centers.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAnother lefty nerd, scooting around as a name-jacker calling other people virgins. What a life.
The irony.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
I know your not a virgin. I remember the day you and Mr. P consumated your union. Why don’t you two enlist together, that would be soooo romantic. Sign up or shut up, loser.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:56 pmIt must hurt very much to be as negative and full of bile as the trolls.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI guess they have to vent it, or explode. Poor little pusbags.
Rush Limpdick claimed a deferment for a pimple on his ass- I personally changed the bandages of guys with same ailment while serving as a Navy corpsman during Vietnam.
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 13, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Sure, now Limpdick is a pimple on the ass of whole country. And CT is his successor to the throne.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:59 pmSimple solution to this ongoing quagmire:
Serve, or be taxed.
(yes, both will have the right running like the chick’n hawks that they are, but someone’s got to pay for this mess. Why not the one’s who supported it?)
August 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI guess the propaganda is working! Ringo there is a difference between defending your country against invaders and fighting for nation building right? Are we on the same page there?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThis war and the last wars going back to Korea are really just nation building but justified by the “threat” of the day, the reds, al quaida et al.
There are freedom of information documents about our own cia staging attacks against american citizens, and the cia may have organized Al quaida itself! No I don’t want to believe these things but there are bad people in our government too!
If you are the patriot you supposed to be involved in the goings on of our government, this includes dissenting views, which according to Thomas Jefferson is the duty of a true patriot, that is to bring the government to task when they have stepped over their bounds.
militarily speaking a draft should be on the table if we are to continue with this level of troop involvement. Along with a draft there would need to be serious procurement of new equipment. The talk of tax cuts would be dropped and talk of rationing would rise.
The neocons talk of the fight of our lifetimes in fighting terror but balk when the tough decisions need to be made.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmServe, or be taxed.
Comment by DRxJ
GREAT idea. But Neoturds will always play partison BS when served with a rational idea which they DID NOT come up with, because they’re traitors.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThey really believed the war would be over in six months. They really believed the war would pay for itself
Of course, they also believed Achmed Chalabi.
In a way, you can’t blame them: first gulf war, Kosovo–no casualties, quick success. So this one will be too, right?
But these people are so stupid and hidebound, that not only will they refuse to admit that it was a mistake, but they won’t even admit that IT’S NOT EASY.
We can’t redeploy because Daddy didn’t redeploy and Slick Willie didn’t redeploy. We can’t have a draft because Daddy and Billy didn’t nead a draft.
Juvenile. depraved. Criminal.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:01 pmHey CT, did you leave to enlist. Get those men out of your ears before you get to the recruiting office.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmI have two draft age sons, and I think Rep Rangel has a point.
People would think more about the type of war we go into, if everyone’s child had an equal chance of having to fight it.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHey, check out this short, satirical “You Tube” video blasting O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and other right-wing pundits. You’ll love it! And, it’s done by an evangelical pastor!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hh3xwuH-rE
Over 1 million Iraqi deaths since 2003
Nearly one million and a thousand Iraqi civilians have lost their lives since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
http://www.presstv.ir/news.aspx
August 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe whole country needs to wake up to what our “leaders” have been doing. And nothing else has worked. The draft woke up people in Viet Nam and it will wake up people now.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:06 pmDoes Rangel have kids?
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
They should be the first to go.
Comment by Malice
We’ll just stay out of your little one-man show, psycho!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:06 pmLefties: The epitome of morons and anarchists.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pm“People would think more about the type of war we go into, if everyone’s child had an equal chance of having to fight it.
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm”
I agree…..
I think that after this mess is over, that Congress should write a law that states First, if the president is going to start a war in another country that he must FIRST impliment a draft to increase the military, and Second that there is to be NO PROFITS. Only cost of the product being produced.
That means that there is to be no markup on product and that only what it actually costs the manufactureer to produce the item is what they can charge.
If this law went into effect, I guarantee that there would be no more invassions by the US…..
August 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by shanel — August 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Put shanel back in its kennel.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pmDoes Rangel have kids?
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Rangel has a large percentage of constituents who are poor and have enlisted. That his perspective. Talking to the mothers of too many dead soldiers in his district.
Why don’t you enlist, chickenhawk, or shut up.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pm‘It’s Easy To Talk About Supporting A War If Someone Else Is Fighting That War’
Rinse, lather, repeat (maybe Neoturds should TRIPLE that, cuz theyz notsosmart, eh?)
August 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Not her sons.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Hey liar, SIGN UP OR SHUT UP.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#24 – Thank you for saying what i couldn’t type fast enough to. I have been a federal employee since 1979 and all while my kids were growing up in the ’80’s & 90’s I watched the military men and women in my building enlist, ship off to boot camp, return and re-enlist. Up until Iraq I often encouraged my sons to enlist because I believed (based on the men and women I talked to every day) that military service would teach them things no school could, would show them the world that we could not and would build strong character in each. But the men and women I see today aren’t re-enlisting and return to the states depressed, angry, fatigued and disenchanted with the white house. Iraq is not a noble cause and I fear for neices who are traveling abroad – who come home to tell us how Americans are despised and distrusted. This isn’t the world I envisioned for my children. I salute all those who served and hold no grudges against the troops – no matter where they served. But any parent with enlisted children wants their cause to be just and true – not the charade this white house has played on the american people.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pmlefty
August 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pm“The cynicism inolved in promoting a draft in order to stir up anti-war activism is amazing…..but not surprising.
Comment by Ringo ”
It’s not cynicism, it’s calling the bluff of all you tough talking chickenhawks. Put up or shut up. If fighting in Iraq is “the battle of our time” why aren’t you and your spawn over there fighting? It’s because you’re a lying coward.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Not her sons.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
NOT YOU CHICKEN HAWK. SIGN UP OR SHUT UP.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:13 pmServe, or be taxed.
Comment by DRxJ — August 13, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
but again, the rich will gladly pay THAT tax…
August 13th, 2007 at 4:14 pm…
Comment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:12 pm\
OoooOOOoo. The “tough,” smelly hag postures. Riveting.
The one who has never even attempted to enlist, yet wants others to do its dirty work.
What we should be doing is ensuring that your Social Security is cut before ae 62.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:15 pmvery well said, sharon!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
The witch is melting….
August 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“You have no qualifications as a human being.
Bring it, lefty.
Comment by CT_Version 2″
Whooooo! this is almost as intimidating as bush in a flightsuit. This pansy couldn’t get into the boyscouts, much less the army.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by Malice
Do you feel better now? Cause you haven’t convinced me that you’re NOT a Chickenhawk, but you sure are a loud “squaker”.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:19 pmThey should be the first to go.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Typical coward chickenhawk. You miss the irony of this post. Rangel’s point is that you republicans always want others to fight your battles – and here you go doing the same thing. You want his kids to fight your battles. Don’t you mean the Bush twins should go first? Hypocrite?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThe one who has never even attempted to enlist, yet wants others to do its dirty work.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Defines you to a ‘T’.
It’s okay to admit your cowardice, it’s the first step in healing.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThe witch is melting….
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
You shouldn’t call your mother names, even if you are a b’stard.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmMemo to Rangel: Draft Jen and Tonic twins first.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by Bobwurstamerican — August 13, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
That’s nice. A lefty who is too radical to gain admission to Al-Qaeda is counseling someone’s patriotism.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“Are you a real American?
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:16 pm”
ARE YOU???
Have you ever served?????
Your premise that if someone does not support this LIE of a war, that they are “un-American” is about as smart as calling a dog a cat!!!!
I have served, and I would/will fight to the death to protect my country….. I will not support or fight in a ILLEGAL war!!!! PERIOD!
One cannot win a war against an idiology!!!!! Fighting terror requires, what Clinton did and Kerry said, by using intelligence and using investigative methods.
You know like the British did……
I don’t expect a Chickenhawk like you to understand the most simplist of things though, so this is really retorical….
August 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmServer or be taxed.
That was the system used during the Civil War. You could send a “substitute” which meant paying somebody else a bounty to sign up.
Yeah, the rich will pay it sooner than serve. But if it was a tax on top incomes, and it was big enough, they might not pay it “gladly”. They might actually call their pet congressman and tell him/her to vote differently next time Iraq comes up.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pmOoooOOOoo. The “tough,†smelly hag postures. Riveting. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
What, does it remind you of your mom? You had to have gotten it from somewhere…
What we should be doing is ensuring that your Social Security is cut before ae 62. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
What we should be doing, is ensuring you go to Iraq so you aren’t such a Hypocrite…
August 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pmBush didn’t call for a draft.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
No, he instead sent others to fight when he and his family were too cowardly to do so. Sound familiar? Look in the mirror….
August 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThat’s nice. A lefty who is too radical to gain admission to Al-Qaeda is counseling someone’s patriotism. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
That’s nice. A righty who is so radical his party still supports Al-Qaeda and refuses to Catch Osama – is counseling someone’s patriotism! Next thing you know you’ll be calling for liberals to go fight a war you’re too cowardly to fight in – oh wait, you’ve already done that!!! Loser!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmMalice; and you haven’t enlisted because? a) paer cut on finger–ohhhh, those paper cuts can be sooooo nasty, b) like Rush Limpdick, have a pimple on the ass, c) __________ fill in the blank.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmMalice.
You seem to think supporting your troops means putting a yellow ribbon on your car’s boot and cheering a war which frankly, was based on lies.
You seem to think to support your troops, is to send them to kill, or die for a cause, which is unknown.
You believe that this, irrational support of a stupid idea, outweighs supporting ideas like properly funding veterans benefits, or indeed actually making the sacrifices needed for the war to be a success.
You call for endless hate, and destruction. You wrap it in a flag, thump it with a Bible, and call yourself patriotic.
I congratulate you on your name, it fits you well.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmDumbya let OBL get away.
Dumbya had the chance to take him out, but he was too cowardly.
Comment by Malice
There, I fixed your typo.
Get OVER the Clinton thing, jealous fart-knocker.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmClinton let OBL get away. Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
You must be thinking of Bush – since Bush says Osama isn’t a threat anymore…
Clinton had the chance to take him out, but he was too cowardly.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Where’s Osama now? Oh right, on the loose because Bush says he’s not a threat – something Clinton never said.
Loser.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pmMalice, when will you be enlisting? Or did you catch Rove’s ‘nal cyst?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pm“Clinton let OBL get away.
Clinton had the chance to take him out, but he was too cowardly.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:24 pm”
WRONG
and WRONG!!!!
Clinton asked the Congress for the authorization to take out OBL and YOUR Republican friends said no and claimed he was “wagging the dog”!!!!
So, perhaps you should put the BLAME where it belongs…… The REPUBLICANS in Congress…….
Facts just mean nothing to you 28%’s, do they???
August 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmNot her sons.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
One son is not draftable — he has a real disability.
The other will serve if drafted, even though he does not support this war.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmYou are the one that mentioned Clinton.
Comment by Malice
No, but you’re clinically insane.
Look at your post #155, FART-KNOCKER.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYou are the one that mentioned Clinton.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
And you are the one that distorted his record – as usual.
Honesty from a republican is something you no longer are capable of as a movement.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThe one who has never even attempted to enlist, yet wants others to do its dirty work.
What we should be doing is ensuring that your Social Security is cut before ae 62.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
I was around for the last draft when nobody enlisted. I’m not the one who claims a fake disability, that would be YOU. So how would I get the Social Security your trying to cut, idiot.
SIGN UP OR SHUT UP, COWARD.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmYou brought up Clinton first, not me.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Yeah, Clinton was the guy that actually tried to go after Osama even before we had proof he had done anything. You however charge him with not doing enough when we weren’t even sure he was responsible for any crimes.
Now we know, and what has Bush done? Let him go.
As usual you Clinton Haters are such losers.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmYou brought up Clinton first, not me.
Comment by Malice
YO BRAINTRUST!
Check the screenname dipsh*t… I’m not Removebush…
God, you’re dumb, in a sad, SAD way.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Really? I think I was told by the Naval Medical officer on-staff that I had a real disability — that of a hearing impairment.
Who are you, lefty? You’re sapping your own credibility.
Both of your sons have real disabilities — they have you as a lying, projecting, lefty mother who spends her time as an adult slandering others over the web.
Get out of here.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmMalice
And then you posted a long discredited lie in response, to… RemoveBush. A totally different poster.
Of course, don’t let the facts get in the way of your ideology.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
The witch is melting….
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
In your dreams coward. Deaf, dumb and blind, true. But we don’t care. SIGN UP OR SHUT UP, LITTLE NAZI LIAR.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pmComment by CT_Version 2
Where’ve ya been? Did mommy need the basement for her $20 blowjob?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“You brought up Clinton first, not me.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:33 pm”
You have no feeking idea what your talking about!!!!!
GO BACK AND READ WHO WROTE THAT!!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:37 pmComment by Malice
Apology accepted, and I’m sorry too (a little bit.)
August 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
At least I attempted to sign up. You never did. I don’t claim a disability, the medical officer on-staff makes the assessment.
And no, I claim no Social Security.
You were told to put away the talking-points, haggy. You still have time to comply.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmReally? I think I was told by the Naval Medical officer on-staff that I had a real disability — that of a hearing impairment. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Yeah, so was Rove… Not convincing…
Who are you, lefty? You’re sapping your own credibility. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Ah the irony!
You can still serve in Iraq – blackwater is looking for gung ho guys just like you!
Both of your sons have real disabilities — they have you as a lying, projecting, lefty mother who spends her time as an adult slandering others over the web. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
A troll criticizing others for slander! Ah the irony!
Get out of here.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Do us all a favor – f’ck yourself, and catch a plane to Iraq?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmAll real Americans support the troops and the War Against Terror.
Real Americans of all colors and both men and women support the noble cause that this War stands for, whether they are in the military or not.
Are you a real American?
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
This is such a bunch of bushwa I don’t know where to begin.
REAL Americans remember when we were the good guys and not the bullies.
REAL Americans can see that the war in Iraq isn’t for any “noble cause” — it’s for oil, it’s for revenge, it’s to distract Americans from the fact that Osama bin Forgotten hasn’t been caught.
REAL Americans know that the “war on terror” is purely a propaganda move to allow the neocons in charge to erode our freedoms (you remember freedoms, don’t you — you know, the liberties we supposedly fight for?). If we were fighting a REAL war on terror, we wouldn’t be beating up countries who did NOT blow up our buildings, or taking away hair gel from people at airports while incoming cargo containers go unchecked.
And yes — I am proud to be a REAL American. (I also served in the U.S. Navy, so don’t reply telling me I ought to sign up.)
August 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmComment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
The witch is melting, the witch is melting. Watch it melt!!!!!!!!!
LMAO.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“I was looking at the wrong name. But the point is, I didn’t bring it up.
Comment by Malice — August 13, 2007 @ 4:36 pm”
Yeah, but your ignoring the CONTEXT at which he was brought up…..
YOU ONLY SEE THE NAME and run without even reading and understanding the CONTEXT!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
You, are a savage prick and you have no morals, no sense of honour. Your father, frankly is a failure as a parent, and should he ever suffer enough misfortune to read and recognise the words of his son to a woman he has never met, then I trully mourn for him.
You are a not a man. You are a craven coward who seeks not to rise above himself but to drag all that is good down into the muck where you dwell.
And yes, I think you are lying about your so-called disability because you have demonstrated time and again how little you regard common decency, and common truth.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmAt least I attempted to sign up. You never did. I don’t claim a disability, the medical officer on-staff makes the assessment. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
They’ve lowered the standards – when did this occur, and what exactly was the ailment?
And no, I claim no Social Security. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Then you can go to Iraq – coward. Blackwater needs you!
You were told to put away the talking-points, haggy. You still have time to comply. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Ah, a little cowardly b’tch like you, calling someone a hag! How ironic!
Get to iraq, little hag, or STFU!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:40 pmComment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
I’m a coward, yet I tried to sign up.
Do you lefty-sh*ts get any dumber than this?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI’m a coward, yet I tried to sign up. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
We don’t believe you. Even if it were true, you could still serve there so you clearly are lying.
Do you lefty-sh*ts get any dumber than this?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Says the troll that’s so dumb he doesn’t know he could serve if he weren’t such a pansy coward.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmCome on coward – go sign up!
http://www.blackwaterusa.com
They’ll happily take you with your ear and mental defects! Off to iraq with you – COWARD!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
I knew you’d have that response, so I baited you.
Thanks.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:45 pmReally? I think I was told by the Naval Medical officer on-staff that I had a real disability — that of a hearing impairment.
Who are you, lefty? You’re sapping your own credibility.
Both of your sons have real disabilities — they have you as a lying, projecting, lefty mother who spends her time as an adult slandering others over the web.
Get out of here.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Look at the fool who believes his own lies. Naval Medical Officer said you have a hearing impairment, yeah sure.
And YOU have been SLANDERING me all day accusing me of beating my child. You have some real nerve or are just mentally impaired. Probably both.
SIGN UP OR SHUT UP COWARD, DO IT NOW OR GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:45 pmtest1
August 13th, 2007 at 4:46 pmI’m a coward, yet I tried to sign up.
Do you lefty-sh*ts get any dumber than this?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Liar, liar. You NEVER tried to sign up for anything since the girl scouts kicked you out. SIGN UP OR SHUT UP. Coward.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmGet out of here.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Hut, two, three, four… Hey, I like the way you bark those orders out CT…
Anyhow, I love this one: “I think I was told by the Naval Medical officer on-staff that I had a real disability — that of a hearing impairment.” That’s a good one… “What’d you say, sir? What? What? Oh, you think I have a hearing what…?”
So now you can’t live up to your daddy’s accomplishments. So what? Find your own way. You don’t have to come in here and goose step around, trying to prove that you’re a brave soldier: “See all those lefties I vanquished today?” Crawl off it dude, get your own life!
August 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmCT_Version 2
Oh, and it can’t be much of a hearing problem if you only found out about it when you “tried” to enlist.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDoes Rangel have kids?
Comment by Malice
The subject is not if Rangel has children, but why are only the poor fighting this illegal war for corporate gain.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:50 pmIf there became a time when we legitimately had to fight a war, then all parents and grown children would gladly serve.
You were told to put away the talking-points, haggy. You still have time to comply.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
And you think you’re man enough to tell me what to do. Why don’t you tell that crack whore mother of yours to clean up her act first. My daddy’s a soldier, hah, you make us all laugh.
Your mother could stop turning tricks with your signing bonus, coward. When you return then you can hand out badges and tattoos to liberals like the good Nazi you want to be.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmLook at the venom thrown because the idea of the draft is introduced. Wow.
If this cause is worth dying for then let the discussion of a draft take national attention.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Why aren’t you doing what you’e told!?
You’re making CT sad. :(
August 13th, 2007 at 4:53 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 13, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Uhhhh….of course I knew about it beforehand. I just didn’t think the military would be so uptight about it.
God, you people really do get dumber by the hour.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:54 pmCT_Version_2_Coward
Its because all of their excuses are just that, excuses. The truth is that they are afraid of putting their money where their mouths are.
Lets see what a draft does to them. Lets see how many neocons suddenly turn liberal when they stand a chance of being sent off to war. I wonder how many college Republicans will be talking about supporting the war then?
August 13th, 2007 at 4:55 pmComment by CT_Version 2
Too deaf to even enlist as a recruiter? Man, that’s DEAF.
Then I’m sorry.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmUhhhh….Lemme see… (Think… THINK!) oh yeah, of course I knew about it beforehand. I just didn’t think the military would be so uptight about it.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
August 13th, 2007 at 4:56 pmEx Jarhead
Well put.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI think I was told by the Naval Medical officer on-staff that I had a real disability — that of a hearing impairment.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
I suspect earwigs, from the rapid degredation of this troll’s logic and coherence.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmBruce; correction-not money, but are afraid of putting their bodies where their mouths are. No balls.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:57 pmGod, you people really do get dumber by the hour.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
And look at how far we still have to go to get as dumb as you. Perhaps we could get dumber faster if we listend to Rush and O’Reilly, it obviously is working to make you as dumb as they come.
You didn’t know you were deaf until you got to the Navy to enlist, what a joke. My daughter had ear problems and hearing tests since birth. You had to fake bad hearing at the enlistment office to find out you had an alleged impairment. What a joke.
Dumb as a box of rocks, sign up or shut up no.
August 13th, 2007 at 4:58 pmCT_Version_2_Coward
That’s why you need the no-deferments rule. Lets see how these Republicans like being held to their own account.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Yeah, mother failure running her mouth.
I didn’t know that adults in their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s are the prime demographics of the commentary section on this site, spending their time spouting obscene, lewd drivel.
Look at them so uppity, so nestled because they’re all older than 26 (and can’t be drafted). If there’s gonna be a draft, that restriction should be lifted. You can’t expect everyone younger than you to carry the weight.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmMan, I hate to come to this clown’s aid…(hands shaking) but oh well. You can’t enlist as a recruiter. And, from what I’ve read in previous threads, I don’t want CT in the genepool, let alone the military.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:00 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Good point. Along with no-Canada rule. And no-amnesty rule.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmUhhhh….of course I knew about it beforehand. I just didn’t think the military would be so uptight about it.
God, you people really do get dumber by the hour.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
We’re not dumb enough to believe anything you say. If you’d gone in and not mentioned it how would they know, they wouldn’t. Coward. Go try the army and see how that works for you, chickenhawk and stop complaining that you have a little ear problem, sissy.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Surprising. The intelligence quotient over here can’t type a sentence without “KKKarl” or “Rush Limbaugh.”
STFU.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pmUncle Ho
Money too. Rightwads fear taxes almost as much as they fear actually having to put their words to action.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Who’s “we?”
Nobody invited you to the club, lady.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pmGood point. Along with no-Canada rule. And no-amnesty rule.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
And no lame ass exemptions because some pansy says he might be deaf.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Do you know what a “Recruiters Office” is, granny?
You don’t just go to “the Army,” you go to the Recruiters office, where a several-point assessment is complete.
Why keep repeating yourself when I’ve explained you away?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:05 pmNobody invited you to the club, lady.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
B L A C K W A T E R. Time to sign up pansy, do it now.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
The military’s physical standards aren’t up to me, granny. And I don’t “say” I’m deaf, I’m given an electronic test.
Again, stop talking. Nobody wants to hear you.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:06 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Listen, idiot. I have never told you to sign up in the military. I don’t tell you do do anything but THINK. I can see how far that got you — not very.
I am a healthy woman in my 40s who is a natural and sexual being, and I have a sense of humor that I use. If you don’t like my comments, scroll on by.
If this war was a just cause, my son would be in the military, and I would be doing whatever I could to help the war effort.
You tried to sign up, and I give you credit for that. Why aren’t you doing something with yourself — other than this?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:07 pmOh, a draft! All for it, as long as I remain ineligible of course…
Comment by CT_Version 2
August 13th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWhy keep repeating yourself when I’ve explained you away?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
For the same reason you kept repeating yourself yesterday and buried this site with your crap. Because I want to and I can. This is a progressive site. Nazis who want to pass out badgest and tattoos aren’t progressive. You get the f*ck out of here, nobody believes anything you say, nobody likes you and nobody wants you around here.
Of course nobody wants YOU anywhere, but that’s another topic.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
A response that’s clearly true and accurate. You are a baiter, wanting only a certain bloc to do all of your dirty work.
You love it when people die in any war.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThe military’s physical standards aren’t up to me, granny. And I don’t “say†I’m deaf, I’m given an electronic test.
Again, stop talking. Nobody wants to hear you.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:06
Supposed you can’t “hear” anybody. Or did you forget about your impairment already.
Nobody believes anything you say, we’re not as dumb as your mother. Sign up or shut up checkenhawk. Blackwater will take you for sure.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Except that you are a troll. I’m sure TP has already banned you at least once.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:13 pmA BS spouting troll is one thing but when a troll tries to silence others thru intimidation it’s another thing.
CT, you’d be dropped quicker than your buddy’s pants at your weekly circle jerk if you even attempted to join the service. Your type is the reason for fratricide.
Don’t go pushing people around here and think you have digital muscles because you don’t.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmYou love it when people die in any war.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Way to support the troops coward, project much. YOU love it when innocent children die in an unnecessary war, don’t confuse your sociopathic tendencies for the way others feel.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmComment by hellinabucket — August 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
What makes you qualified to talk about the military, when you are a lefty?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmhttp://www.army.com/enlist/requirements.html
Right here are the requirements
• being from 17 to 34 years old
• be a U.S. citizen or resident alien, (must have the I-551)
• have a high school diploma or equivalent (such as a GED)
• be single with no children or married with 2 or less children
• pass the ASVAB test and
• pass the physical
So what is the physical?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/afpt.htm
pushups, situps, and a two mile run.
I didn’t see a basic hearing test mentioned.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:18 pmExcept that you are a troll. I’m sure TP has already banned you at least once.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
And you are a burden on society. You and your mother both obviously collect disability SS or you wouldn’t think others do. You are both a couple of welfare queens and a burden on all of us taxpayers. But you deflect attention by acting like a good little neocon. Hitler also offed those with impairment. You’ll be getting a badge and a tattoo little one. Hope you’re in the same camp they put me in, I owe you one.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
This one is just desperate to get one-up on me. It just keeps posting and posting and posting….desperately.
You have no precedence over me, oldie. This is a fued, clearly, you’ve been losing across the board.
I can imagine this one camped out in her living room in front of a computer, while her husband contemplates filing for divorce.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmpushups, situps, and a two mile run.
I didn’t see a basic hearing test mentioned.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 13, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
There you go CT, explain to us how your hearing affect your ability to do pushups. Candyass.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmYou love it when people die in any war.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Oh, shut up.
You are so incredibly stupid. Don’t bother responding to this because I’m scrolling by your crap from now on — until you disappear.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI can imagine this one camped out in her living room in front of a computer, while her husband contemplates filing for divorce.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Again you’re confusing me with your mother. If she knew who your daddy was he’d have divorced her no doubt.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by Shane — August 13, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
If I was collecting tax payers dollars and living off the government, I wouldn’t be here posting as a conservative commentator.
Dolt.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pmand why do we not have a draft thinkprogress.org ????
CMON!!! why are you not supporting the man responsible for ending the draft
How can you do a post about THE DRAFT and not once mention the ONE MAN that waged a 5 month filibuster single handedly to end the draft??
Pretty fishy.
http://www.gravel08.us
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmThis one is just desperate to get one-up on me. It just keeps posting and posting and posting….desperately.
You have no precedence over me, oldie. This is a fued, clearly, you’ve been losing across the board.
I can imagine this one camped out in her living room in front of a computer, while her husband contemplates filing for divorce.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
And I bet you can imagine a big ceremony, where your daddy pins a medal on you, and all of the Generals applaud: “CT, the fearless keyboard commando!” Did ya see how I shut that woman down Pa? Did ya SEE?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:25 pmIf I was collecting tax payers dollars and living off the government, I wouldn’t be here posting as a conservative commentator.
Dolt.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
All you spew is lies and deception. Like any republican you think you should get yours and nobody else should get anything. You are so typical and you are a liar.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by Ex Jarhead — August 13, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
You keep impersonating a member of the military. That’s a prosecutable offense.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Way to respect the troops, girlfriend. It’s time for you to PUT UP or SHUT UP. Now, coward.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmAgain you’re confusing me with your mother.
I didn’t know that 53-year-old people still make those lame jokes. I thought their cognitive functioning would have long succeeded that.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
If your mother knew how to type maybe she could stop trolling the parking lot in your trailer park.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:32 pmYou keep impersonating a member of the military. That’s a prosecutable offense.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
I don’t think you faked your hearing test… you didn’t need to, Your daddy drug you to the recruiter by your ears so they were hurting that day.
But now here you are, trapped in the self hatred of not living up to daddy’s ideals, but safe behind your keyboard, where you can insult anybody and you don’t have to back up anything you say…
August 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmArchitects of The Iraq War: Where Are They Now?
THEY’RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU’RE SUPPORTING THEM!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYep. So this one supports impersonating actual members of the military.
Desperate times, huh?
Comment by CT_Version 2
have any proof someone impersonated ???
if so, turn them in, otherwise STFU.
What a useless, silly, malignant troll you have become, proud of yourself?
August 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmPart of the requirement in joining the military is that any male will have to have at least one testicle drop. CT didn’t make the cut.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:41 pmSupposed to be preparing dinner for your daughter, or will it be McDonalds for the night? Gotta take care of those priorities, granny.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
My daughter is swimming with friends here in LA and then we are going to dinner at the Grove and to the American Girl Doll store. Not that it’s your business, freak.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“Tell me, what did you contribute to the Marine Corps, to the country, if you actually served? Wearing the uniform alone isn’t enough. What did you contribute?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:46 pm”
Acutally, LOOSER that is enough!!!!
You don’t have to get shot to contribute….. You simply have to do your job!!!
And if you can’t do your job, then you get discharged!
I just love it when someone WHO HAS NEVER SERVED tries to tell people who have what it means to serve!!!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmTell me, what did you contribute to the Marine Corps, to the country, if you actually served? Wearing the uniform alone isn’t enough. What did you contribute?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Well, I had some great adventures and I made a lot of excellent friends. That’s what “I” got out of it. The USMC gave me an Honorable, so I guess they were satisfied with my contribution.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:53 pmJoining the all voluntary service is contributing. The orders that you are given can range from spectacular to the mundane but all are executed with precision and dedication.
Now CT, when are you going to contribute.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pmAren’t we cool, Wayne?
Comment by CT_Version 2
What you are doing is not cool, CT.
August 13th, 2007 at 5:58 pmI would vote against a military draft, just like I would vote against an income tax to pay for all the costs of the war, but I want both on a national referendum. This is a democracy–if we don’t want to send our kids to or pay for this war, then by golly our elected officials need to think twice about what the hell we’re doing there.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“Don’t pretend to like the military, and don’t act as if he doesn’t need to answer the question.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:57 pm”
First!!!!
A person that “serves” does not say so unless they have!!! (Though some Chickenhawks have but that is rare and can EASILY BE DETECTED)
Second!!!!!
There is a difference from being in the military and serving in the military….
Though they sound similar for a person SUCH AS YOURSELF, they actually are not…..
Being in the military is open ended and could mean that they did not RECIEVE a honorable discharge.
However, saying one “served” means that they did just that and received an “honorable” discharge and a DD214.
Now go play with your tonka toys……
August 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pmCT can’t grasp the concept of the military and keeps putting up strawmen to thump. If the military so designates that soldier/sailor/airman or marine to stay on that base and perform a duty then that’s what they will do. All parts are needed to create the objective.
When I was in the service it was 6 soldiers behind the line for every soldier on the line. CT may not understand the logistics needed to fully implement a fighting force but those who have lived it do.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pmShane,
I hope you will take CT up on his offer. :)
August 13th, 2007 at 6:14 pmCT; bad ear makes you lose count of push-ups? What kind of cheese do you want with your whine? I’m in my 50s now, but have 1st hand experience with the draft(Vietnam). Put up or shut up you craven coward!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmWhat is going on?????
I just read this thread at 254, now it is 240….
I see the CENSORING police here at TP are hard at work…..
Keep up the work TP, eventually you won’t have to do this volunterily!!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:25 pmRB,
I think TP is cleaning up the troll shit. They did a massive purge last night.
August 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIf I was collecting tax payers dollars and living off the government, I wouldn’t be here posting as a conservative commentator. Dolt. Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
You aren’t a commentator – that takes expertise and credentials. You’re a whiny loser b’tch posting because you are too cowardly to fight for your values.
What makes you qualified to talk about the military, when you are a lefty? Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Without us, you’d have no one to fight your battles – COWARD!
Who’s “we?â€
Nobody invited you to the club, lady.
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Ironic. You’re on a progressive site – no one invited you to the club. LOSER!
Do you know what a “Recruiters Office†is, granny?
You don’t just go to “the Army,†you go to the Recruiters office, where a several-point assessment is complete.
Why keep repeating yourself when I’ve explained you away?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I gave you blackwater’s website. HYPOCRITE!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pmCT sounds like Seixon/Hendler. Another mentally challenged wacko!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI think TP is cleaning up the troll shit. They did a massive purge last night.
Comment by Zooey
Good for them!!
August 13th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by Uncle Ho — August 13, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/hearing.htm
August 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pm…TP is cleaning up the troll shit. comment by Zooey.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Wayne & Uncle Ho,
Last night I was lurking — because I was no longer able to comment — and suddenly, when I hit refresh, comments started disappearing by the hundreds. And the trolls disappeared as well. Nice….
Some of them have crept back, but these are pretty lame — and are in their last throes. :D
August 13th, 2007 at 7:23 pmhttp://usmilitary.about.com/ od/ joiningthemilitary/ a/ hearing.htm
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Big deal, it’s so easy to fake a hearing test. I know, because I faked it UP! It was long test, and I caught the rhythm of the tones, so I marked for pitches that I thought maybe I might have heard. The person who evaluated the test was quite impressed by how ‘good’ my hearing was. It would be even easier, of course, to fake for bad hearing.
But I don’t really care… if you didn’t want to join and faked your way out, that’s cool. Or if you truly have bad hearing, I’m sure you’ll find other challenges. The military wasn’t really so hard compared to other things I’ve taken on, but it did enrich my life and I’m grateful for it. But not everyone thinks that way…
If fact, a lot of people think all kinds of different ways. The Constitution provides room for the exchange of ideas and was designed to ensure that dogmas of varying kinds would not be imposed upon citizens. Then you come in here ordering people to “shut up” and “get out”, and just in general ragging on people all kinds of ways. You pretend to some superior wisdom and authority, but the only thing you’ve got to back it up is “My paps is a retired Marine.”
If that’s all you got, then I see why you’re hurting, why you’re in here lashing out and trying to offload your pain. Well, it’s time to start owning your problems. If you do that, then you can own the strength to solve them… you’ll be whining here or somewhere until you do.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmShane,
I hope you will take CT up on his offer. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Did he offer something? I must have missed it.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:51 pmYou guy sure are funny with all of the empty threats.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pmYou guy sure are funny with all of the empty threats.
Comment by Tracy — August 13, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Empty threats? Sounds more like your posts!
August 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmhttp://usmilitary.about.com/ od/ joiningthemilitary/ a/ hearing.htm
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Blackwater will take you if you want to go to Iraq. Oh wait, that ‘nal cyst won’t let you go – right Rove?
August 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmhttp://usmilitary.about.com/ od/ joiningthemilitary/ a/ hearing.htm
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 13, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Hey coward! If you really wanted to serve you could get a medical waiver! We all know you’re a lazy cowardly chickenhawk though! Otherwise you’d have taken the time to figure this out yourself, instead of whining about how liberals should go fight a war you don’t have to!
Loser!
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/medicalwaiver.htm
August 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pmMy kid is a man, yours must still be a child.
Comment by Alan-MT — August 13, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Your kid is a tool. You must hate him.
August 13th, 2007 at 8:13 pmapologizing for this slight diversion, watch Dick Cheney himself explain why the war in Iraq is a mistake. It’s incredible!
August 13th, 2007 at 9:11 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
I’m sure Rep. Rangel would get a pretty penny from Western Oil contractors if he could bring about the draft.
By pretending it would be fair – thus we need it.
Its Bullshit. Rangel doesn’t care about people any more than Bush cares about people- that criminal New York congress.
And I think it’s pretty awful that Josh Marshall website is obtuse enough to entertain such a concept even for a minute. Rangel is a congress man that wants to stuff his pockets full of campaign contributions and favors from what Hillary insist is “our vital interest in region” of Iraq – the OIL and WHY she really isn’t getting out of Iraq either – but how does the US stay part way? Americans are very stupid if they consider a Draft a good idea when MOST us want out of this war NOT more into it.
Talking Points can be played like fiddler if they news group seriousely believes the garbage that Rangel is peddling – it’s a lie, and Rangel knows it’s a lie. Just because Rangel wears the label Dem doesn’t mean he gives a damn about anyone other then himself.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:12 pmDid he offer something? I must have missed it.
Comment by shane — August 13, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
He offered a cease-fire, but it was deleted. :(
August 13th, 2007 at 9:17 pmRangel is right. A draft is a good idea because it will lift the burden from troops already stretched too thin in Iraq. Also a draft without a deferment is the right way to go. Politicians’ rich kids will have to serve.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:09 pmActually, there’s already been a draft involved in the Iraq war that Bush started.
Until Bush diverted the war effort away from getting the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan to start a totally insane war in Iraq, how many National Guardsmen and reservists thought that they’d end up in combat?
Sure, some hoped for it, but most were probably finishing up their commitment to the military, building their businesses and families, while preparing to help in cases of domestic national emergencies…not to be de facto “drafted” into a war in Iraq.
As I’m certain our nation’s state governors weren’t expecting to see much of their manpower and equipment “drafted” into a war that Bush started in Iraq.
The criminal actions by Bush and the worst administration in American history go beyond reprehensible.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:12 amANYONE (even Rangle) suggesting the draft can “go straight to hell” — do not pass go. I didn’t spend the better part of my life raising my sons to “die for a pack of lies” and anybody aiding those lies thru act or deed (including arguing for the draft) , is complicit in these lies and is therefore , an enemy of mine.
Originally Rangle kept saying the current system targets an inordinately high number of black youths and therefore the draft should be required. But now that it has been recently disclosed that that is not the case at all (blacks are 12% of the population but have less than that in the military) , there is no good reason for him to continue this argument.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:17 am“Yeah, Clinton was the guy that actually tried to go after Osama even before we had proof he had done anything. You however charge him with not doing enough when we weren’t even sure he was responsible for any crimes.
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 4:35 pm”
You just lost all credibility here. Either you are completely misinformed, or you are one of the biggest liars posting here. Which is it? There is no third option, by the way.
(Hint: You can be excused for being simply ignorant. You cannot be excused for telling blatant lies.)
August 14th, 2007 at 2:43 amBush let bin Laden go at Tora Bora. He outsourced the job to Afghan warlords. Now al Qaeda is back to its original strength. Bush shut down the CIA unit meant to find bin Laden. The most incompetent president ever.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:15 amComment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
That. Possibility. Was. Already. Visited. By. The. Commanding. Officer. of. The. Recruiting. Station. And. Was. Advised. Agaisnt.
Trust me, you are not smarter than I, just a desperate troll.
Why haven’t you served?
August 14th, 2007 at 8:21 amComment by Ex Jarhead — August 13, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
I suppose you didn’t learn anything, even while as a Marine. To your credit, you admitted that you just “made some good friends.” That was your contribution to the service.
You talk as if my time in that recruiting office was mandatory, as if I was actually being drafted and needed to “get out of something.” No, “Ex Jarhead,” it’s an all-volunteer service, I went on my own accord, so there’s nothing to “fake.” You are stoking political pressures (left vs. right) to falsely calculate my personal decisions, which makes you a bad citizen. Admit that you’re wrong instead of switching to super-project mode. I’m not a cheater. And no more information needs to be disclosed to a political hack like yourself.
Tatoos and beer drinking to go along with those friends, huh?
August 14th, 2007 at 8:30 amComment by O. Bigfoot — August 14, 2007 @ 2:43 am
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm
Of course, it doesn’t take much to counter a liar. Particularly, Bigfoot, one as stupid as you.
August 14th, 2007 at 8:45 amI can already hear the stampede to the border! The population of Canada is going to increase in an overwhelming “surge” of young men and young families seeking to live without fear. Bring-em on!
August 14th, 2007 at 10:23 am#267 – If Sid is correct, all I can say is, Thank you, Canada!! Canada has room for lots of American ex-pat losers……
August 14th, 2007 at 11:03 amTatoos and beer drinking to go along with those friends, huh?
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 14, 2007 @ 8:30 am
Tattoos, nah… we used to slam a lot of beer though, straight out of the pitcher at the EM club, but that was where we went to critique our prior craziness and plot our next adventures…
As for the rest of your post, your opinions don’t carry much weight here. You goose step around issuing orders, e.g., “Shut up!” “Get out!” You lay harsh judgments on anybody who has differing opinions, as if you, exclusively, are privy to the “truth”. Since you don’t have much life experience yet, this reflects directly on your upbringing, and my impression is that you have a lot of work to do in sorting out your true identity from that which has been imposed upon you… Your contribution to this world, if you care to make one, will be to discover who you really are
August 14th, 2007 at 1:24 pmRangel is really messed up.
Would you be willing to spread the word about http://www.draftresistance.org? It’s a site dedicated to shattering the myths surrounding the selective slavery system and building mass civil disobedience to stop the draft before it starts!
Our banner on a website, printing and posting the anti-draft flyer or just telling friends would help.
Thanks!
Scott Kohlhaas
PS. When it comes to conscription, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
August 14th, 2007 at 7:38 pm#252
Comment by CT_Version_2_Coward — August 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
I have given many opportunities to others….they refused. Ask Bartlebee
August 16th, 2007 at 10:35 am#262
They look at what bin Laden has done a criminal act….it doesn’t compute with these guys. You are wasting your breath.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:41 am#266
Clinton didn’t fight terrorism effectively because he treated it as a criminal matter and not as a national security one.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:49 am