Karl Rove’s Record Of Failed Predictions
Karl Rove’s Record Of Failed Predictions
The White House and its conservative allies rushed to shower Karl Rove with superlatives this morning, saying that he was the “political genius” who “masterminded” the Bush presidency. White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino said that “it’s a big loss to us” because Rove has “a brilliant mind.”
In an interview with Wall Street Journal editorial page editor Paul Gigot, Rove made a series of rosy predictions about the future of right-wing politics:
“He will move back up in the polls,” says Mr. Rove, who interrupts my reference to Mr. Bush’s 30% approval rating by saying it’s heading close to “40%,” and “higher than Congress.”
Looking ahead, he adds, “Iraq will be in a better place” as the surge continues. Come the autumn, too, “we’ll see in the battle over FISA” — the wiretapping of foreign terrorists — “a fissure in the Democratic Party.” Also in the fall, “the budget fight will have been fought to our advantage,” helping the GOP restore, through a series of presidential vetoes, its brand name on spending restraint and taxes.
As for the Democrats, “They are likely to nominate a tough, tenacious, fatally flawed candidate” by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Holding the White House for a third term is always difficult given the pent-up desire for change, he says, but “I think we’ve got a very good chance to do so.”
Rove’s reputation as a “brilliant” political prognosticator belies his track record of grossly getting it wrong on his major predictions:
1) In 2006, roughly a week before the midterm election, Rove predicted “a Republican Senate and Republican House” by claiming sole access to “THE math.” [NPR, 10/24/06]
2) In November of 2000, Rove claimed the “election will not be close.” Rove predicted Bush will “win enough states to get about 50 more Electoral College votes than he needs to win. Rove also predicted Bush will get about 50 percent of the popular vote, with Gore at about 45 percent.” [Houston Chronicle, 11/6/00]
3) During the 2000 primary campaign, Rove declared: “We’re going to win New Hampshire,” referring to the Republican primary. [USA Today 1/25/00]
In reality, the Democrats swept into Congress in 2006, winning both the House and the Senate. The 2000 presidential election was extremely tight, with Al Gore winning the popular vote. And in the 2000 New Hampshire primary, Sen. John McCain routed Bush by 18 percentage points.
As Media Matters has documented, the political press has consistently “accorded significance” to Rove’s prognostications even though they were nothing more than bluster and deluded self-assurance.
UPDATE: PoliticsTV has compiled Karl Rove’s video hall of shame. Take a look here.
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August 13th, 2007 at 10:57 ama ha, a ha ha, a ha ha ha……
BWAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAHHAAHHAAHHAA!”
Good Riddance
August 13th, 2007 at 10:57 am“political press has consistently “accorded significance†to Rove’s prognostications even though they were nothing more than bluster and deluded self-assurance”
Programming for the People. If the press were doing it’s job, Bush would have been impeached by now.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:00 amProgramming for the People. If the press were doing it’s job, Bush would have been impeached by now.
Comment by Nell — August 13, 2007
Agreed, and if the press had been doing its job to begin with, Bush would have never even made Governor of Texass….
August 13th, 2007 at 11:03 amPolitical “Evil” genius. Master of trickery and political crookedness, which got Bush into the Whitehouse by fraud and illegal manipulation of our electoral process and political process.
Of course the GOP and conservatives who love what BushCo. has accomplished to make their psychotic wet dreams come true love him. Rove made it possible for the worst (most ignorant, unqualified, inappropriate, etc.) president in history to “elected” (appointed, installed, etc.) twice.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:07 amyea… a LOT of brilliant minds
are used for evil purposes…
… he is not really going anywhere, i tell ya…
August 13th, 2007 at 11:08 amexcept underground… the puppet needs his master(s)…
…
Just got word that my bi-monthly Rovian Troll checks will cease after Labor Day weekend.
Guess I won’t be around much longer.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:09 amKarl, poor dumb fella – does he really think he can escape the “mob”? He needs to answer for his crimes.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:14 amYou can cut and run, but you can’t hide, silly boy.
:-)
His last parting shot was to make sure that all the missing ballots in Ohio stayed permanently missing.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:16 amExley, I hate to burst your inane legalistic bubble but Rove isnt an appointee. He’s simply an employee. So the title “hon” doesnt in any way apply. Rove is an advisor, where exactly does it say that “advisor” is an official government position?
google hits for the phrase: “rove is a presidential appointee” : ZERO
google hits for the phrase: “rove is a appointee” : ZERO
google hits for the phrase: “rove is a appointed”: ZERO
>carry on
dont quit your day job..
August 13th, 2007 at 11:16 amRaven-any chance that first laugh is from the Simpsons?
“Mr. Rove-a. We have reason to beleive you may have eaten-poison.”
Mr.Rove-”whaat?!?!?!
“Don’t worry. There’s a handy map to the hospital on the back of the menu!”
August 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amSo he’s going into teaching>?
August 13th, 2007 at 11:17 amHis only textbook, The Prince.
Rove claims he’s not leaving because of “the mob.” Is it because the September report from Patreaus will announce only minimal improvements since the escalation? The timing seems strange – the most important report of Bush’s presidency, and Rove is bailing out just before it’s release?
August 13th, 2007 at 11:19 amSo he’s going into teaching>?
His only textbook, The Prince.
Comment by RUCerious — August 13, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Well played, son… Well played!
August 13th, 2007 at 11:21 amRaven-any chance that first laugh is from the Simpsons?
Comment by whiteyfresh
Could be, dude, I don’t know, I haven’t had a television since 1979…
August 13th, 2007 at 11:23 amSomething’s up.
And it’s certainlu not Chimpy’s ratings. His ratings are below is knees.
Turd’s exit means something’s up.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:24 amHe is bailing to work for whoever is the next anointed GOP Pres. Cand. (you can see how badly they are drowning.) Of course, he will be a private contractor who is behind the scenes, working for his own political consulting firm. He also wants to clean up whatever he can outside of regular government channels, probably with GOP resources, and then when the investigations get anywhere near him , bingo “Executive Privilege.”
The only hope is that after next year no more pardons. Unless Bush uses a “preemptive strike” pardon on his last days.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:26 amHere is some video coverage from this morning to go along with this story.
VIDEO – Chris Matthews Talks About Rove’s Resignation
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=5545c939-f87d-4ca5-8148-c230c7758bdf
VIDEO – Laura Ingraham Talks About Rove’s Resignation
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=0c52e26c-3f1d-4829-bac3-afefaccb4ecc
VIDEO – FOX News Covers Rove
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=778d27f7-c7b7-478e-b915-764df600ea1c
VIDEO – MSNBC News Covers Rove
August 13th, 2007 at 11:28 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=c3cf00e3-7e06-4ee0-843a-983d29d6d2e3
I think Rove was speaking on tv just now, but his head is so far up W’s butt I can’t make out any words.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amThe most un-American member of the administration. An accomplished, professional liar. Specialized in dividing and weakening the U.S. for financial gain for the few at the expense of the many. He made stealing elections an art form. A mellon-headed, fascist jerk.
Just some of the things missing from the press conference.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amSo he’s going into teaching>?
His only textbook, The Prince.
Comment by RUCerious
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Oh, I’m sure he’ll also throw in Thomas Hobbes’ great work, Laviathan as well as a little Leo Strauss to bring it all up to date.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:31 amTil he is in leg irons and an orange jumpsuit I for one won’t be satisfied about the wilted turd blossom.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe most un-American member of the administration. An accomplished, professional liar. Specialized in dividing and weakening the U.S. for financial gain for the few at the expense of the many. He made stealing elections an art form. A mellon-headed, fascist jerk.
Comment by WaltinTexas — August 13, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Yes, Rove has been all that. But he wasn’t the first one to specialize in dirty tricks. Nixon had Donald Segretti and even Dubya’s daddy had Lee Atwater. Rove is just the latest model, and (sadly) he won’t be the last.
I just noticed as I am typing this, that Segretti, Atwater, and Rove were all used by Republicans. Hmmm…
August 13th, 2007 at 11:35 amHere’s a look back at the results of the “Karl Rove Whack-a-Mole Contest.”
August 13th, 2007 at 11:37 amRove is an Evil Genius. Except for the “genius” part.
He made his name NOT by being a brilliant strategist and tactician, but by being willing to go to any length to disparage his candidate’s opponents. He has no moral compass and that has governed his political life. He and the entire Republican party should be ashamed of Rove’s actions, but instead he will be carried out on the shoulders of the spineless, immoral Republicans who currently represent the party.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:38 amI just saw Chris Matthews talking to some other clone about Rove – apparently Rove is quite the genius and did a hell of a job. No word about the effect his “genius” has had on this country.
Bye, Karl. Rot in hell.
– Real Zooey :)
August 13th, 2007 at 11:41 amThe road Rove now travels ends in prison. He has done much to destroy the Republican party, and when Republican leaders finally realize how far down the rabbit hole they have gone, and see 10-20 years of minority status ahead of them, blame will begin to fly. Rove already has many enemies within the party. When Bush is out of power there will be payback. No one really has to do anything. They just need to NOT protect Rove, and let the DOJ under new leadership do the rest.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:45 amAs the karmic wheel turns, Rove gets reincarnated as a frog hopping across the busiest interstate in Texas.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:48 amHe made his name NOT by being a brilliant strategist and tactician, but by being willing to go to any length to disparage his candidate’s opponents.
Comment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — August 13, 2007 @ 11:38 a
“genius” = “no scruples whatsoever” (neocon dictionary)
Only this current administration shamelessly admires actions so morally repugnant. Even Nixon’s men had a few lines they weren’t willing to cross.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:48 amHow will the “fair and balance” network spin this? Today they are spinning that large scale attacks in Iraq are down 50%. Their soft headed audience are to conclude that the surge is working. If not they got the same ditto heads to come on to reassure them it is working. Everyone that thinks it is working? Please sign on the dotted line right below the Romney five for one way tickets to Iraq.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:49 amIt is time to organize a national “Rove Resigns” party. I will organize one and invite press to join in the party in my home town. Any other takers?
August 13th, 2007 at 11:51 am“He has done much to destroy the Republican party, and when Republican leaders finally realize how far down the rabbit hole they have gone, and see 10-20 years of minority status ahead of them, blame will begin to fly.”
Comment by VerbalKint — August 13, 2007 @ 11:45 am
The Republican Party will live again, but only if honest Repubs reclaim it. With an election coming up in sixteen months, this would be the time to do just that. It boggles my mind that the congressional GOP is still marching in lockstep with people who have sold out the country, mortgaged it to China, and trashed our credibility in the world for their own nefarious agenda.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:53 am#32 missmolly, it takes longer to rebuild a party than that, and the current leaders of the party will continue to delude themselves until they are clobbered in 2008. Then there will be an ugly battle among different factions to determine the future direction of the party. This will take at least a few years to settle, probably more. Then they have to convince the American people that they have changed, and this wil take years longer.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:56 amAs the karmic wheel turns, Rove gets reincarnated as a frog hopping across the busiest interstate in Texas.
Comment by RUCerious
Hopefully I’ve been good enough to get the monster truck with the house-sized wheels when I return…
August 13th, 2007 at 11:58 amThe problem for the Republican party is that at its heart, it exists to reward wealthy corporations and individuals. Many of its policies cannot be sold on their merits to middle class Americans. So the Republicans need to maintain a constant web of deceit to sell their policies. Too many people have caught on, however. The party cannnot live solely on their base of ignorant evangelicals, some of whom are already catching on to the fact that they’ve been played. So where does the party find people to build a new base? It won’t be easy for them.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:59 amHopefully I’ve been good enough to get the monster truck with the house-sized wheels when I return…
Comment by Raven — August 13, 2007 @ 11:58 am
For shame…. :D
August 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmMan talk about smelling Sulphur.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pmFor shame…. :D
Comment by Zooey
Yeah, you’re right, the big trucks burn to much gas…….
August 13th, 2007 at 12:04 pmshane ~ perhaps a dune buggy?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pmHad Rove united Hispanics and evangelicals under the crusade banner highlighting the Islamic threat after 9/11 he would have made GOP the majority party for many years to come. Instead he ceded the issue to bigots like Tom Tancredo and the GOP paid the price and continues to pay the price.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pmYeah, you’re right, the big trucks burn to much gas…….
Comment by Raven — August 13, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I can’t believe the number of Hummers I see on the road here in Portland. Some sort of disgusting status symbol, I guess.
I feel guilty driving my dad’s big truck, but I couldn’t have gotten my son’s stuff over here without it. :}
August 13th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI think the next big thing will be used army jeeps from the 60’s, they use less gas, but look and feel just like a hummer. They’ll come with a broken compass and a map of Czechoslovakia.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pmi see him as a rat gettin’ a short flying lesson from the local red tailed hawk!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI’ve posted about this before and I know that most of you just dismissed it, but follow me one more time — remember a year ago that John McCain was the sweetheart of the ball but somehow he took the advice of neocons, religious righties, and Bush “insiders” and he systematically destroyed himself. Then came Rudy, who looked great for a while but then somehow couldn’t quite wear the neocon hat very well. Try as he might, he just couldn’t lie with the conviction that ‘head Cheney or Bush do — and his star has fallen.
Now we have Mitt, who is the new darling, but we all know there are too many vulnerable chinks in the armor. He is rising fast and he will fall just as fast — he’s just one “you’re not really a true conservative” blast away. Especially, if that blast comes from the leaders of the religious right.
Let’s fast-forward to early/late November and look at the Republican field. No clear leader, no truly strong front runner, and definitely no one to unite/excite the Republican Party for the coming election. What to do –
In steps Jeb, reluctantly, wholesomely, not strident, didn’t really intend to, and with nothing bad to say about Rudy/John/Mitt or any of the rest of the field. He says that he was asked to join the field by James Dobson (Terri Schiavo), then Mel Martinez (Cuban vote), then by his son George P. (Hispanic vote).
The base rallies around him as they finally have someone with impeccable conservative credentials, and an absolute known quantity that is acceptable to everyone. Karl Rove comes out of retirement to run just one more campaign because “it is so important to the future of the country”. Fox news and the Wall Street Journal have finally found someone that they can endorse “for the good of the country”. Ken Mehlman, the neocon machine, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, and the entire right-wing noise machine can all coalesce around his candidacy because, while they can’t be super enthusiastic they don’t need to be super enthusiastic. It’s just the right thing to .
By late November, it’s too late for any of the other candidates to really do sufficient background research that could undermine Jeb and even if they have some things there’s not enough time to work them in effectively.
I can go on and on but the real question is — WHAT ARE THE NET ROOTS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?????? Runaround gnashing their teeth. Talking and posting back and forth to each other about how it shouldn’t be happening while the 60% of the electorate that doesn’t read blogs is being (neocon-icily) manipulated into feeling comfortable (if not enthusiastic) about Jeb Bush. Maybe you will all follow the DailyKos guide of marginalizing yourselves into ineffectiveness — see Ralph Nader And the Green Party — you’ll lose, the causes that you care so much about will be trampled, but you can always say that you fought the good fight.
By now, you should all be very angry with me and this post, but the question remains — what are you going to EFFECTIVELY do about it???. Effectively here is defined by actually winning the election — not by snobbery, or correct thinking, or righteous positions, or political extortion (read Markos) or by intellect alone. WHAT are you going to do about it?
Here’s a plan (there are other plans), pick a candidate, any candidate, and work on getting the whole party behind one candidate early on. He/she does not have to be perfect — they don’t have to kiss your ass. They don’t have to agree with you on every issue. They don’t have to acknowledge that you are the smartest, most righteous progressive thinker and activist since sliced bread. What they have to do is win — – and then we all win — – and then we can get to the work of changing things.
Next, flight or fight — are you going to choose flight by attacking this post and sticking your head in the sand and assume that it can’t happen or are you going to choose fight by considering it as a possibility and start preparing for that possibility. Attack Jeb now. Alert the other GOP candidates now. BTW — don’t assume that all of the dislike for W. translates into dislike for Jeb — it just ain’t so.
Lastly, if you see this post as a finger in your eye, you’re already a loser. Like you, I’ve done plenty to work for the progressive cause and, like you, the neocons and the neo-feudalists outflanked me too. Don’t underestimate the neocons, the international neo-feudalists, the Bush family, Karl Rove, or Rupert Murdoch just because you have a “feel-good†by surrounding yourselves with people who think like you — that doesn’t WIN on Election Day. To win elections you have to get people who don’t think like you to vote for your candidate.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pmUgh!! I just heard Rove on the tee vee — he said that “at the end of this month, I’ll join those you meet in your travels.”
Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
**running screaming from the room**
August 13th, 2007 at 12:22 pmCAPTION:
Here Jeff!! Is this WIDE enough for yours??
August 13th, 2007 at 12:27 pmMr. Rove is many things, most unprintable, but he is not delusional.
When he lies in public, it is to promote his strategy. That may be to avoid admitting an inconvenient truth, lest it snowball; it may be pretend to an untruth, lest admitting the truth embolden his enemies; it may be to mindpluck his enemies, to keep them off guard; actually telling a limited truth can do the same, and he does that, too. But he doesn’t lie because he believes his own fantasies. His job is to make others do that.
He has proven that he and his clients can avoid consequences – and jail time – by turning Nixon’s Big Lie into Rove’s Bigger One.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:31 pmZooey — August 13, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
what the hell does that mean?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pmcan you put some context in there?
.
#10, Aside from the fact that you have embarassingly posted on the wrong thread, I would also point out that despite your extensive “Google” searches, Karl Rove, as a deputy chief of staff and senior advisor to the president is an appointee to which the use of the term “Hon.” is acceptable under the U.S. State Department and other guidelines.
For example, when John Podesta was chief of staff to President Clinton, he was listed as “Hon. John Podesta.”
http://www.state.gov/r/whconf/001128_whcon_partlist.html
See also:
A Conversation with White House Chiefs of Staff on the Politics of Trade Policy
Monday, May 10 2004, 4:45 p.m. – 7:00 p.m.
The Latin American Program joined with the Council of the Americas to host “A Conversation with White House Chiefs of Staff on the Politics of Trade.†Andrew Card, Chief of Staff for President George W. Bush, opened the discussion by describing President Bush’s goal to create a better and safer America. The Honorable John Podesta, The Honorable Thomas McLarty, The Honorable John Sununu, and The Honorable James Jones offered comments based on their experience as Chiefs of Staff and in their other roles. Zanny Minton-Beddoes of The Economist moderated the discussion and talked about U.S. leadership in the trading system and the increased complexity of trade policy today.
Nice try…Wrong, but a nice try.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pmZooey,
Has TP finally fixed the troll problem?
August 13th, 2007 at 12:39 pmShould we come back?
Comment by nicollo MacPlato — August 13, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
well, if one doesn’t think about your being condescending and verbose,
what you suppose is not out of the realm…
like i’ve said – i put nothing past these criminals…
August 13th, 2007 at 12:41 pmdon’t trust ‘em an inch…
…
The first GOP contender to claim he’s a Federalist wins.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWow, Bush’s brain’s gone!!! Oh wait it always was!!!!!!
August 13th, 2007 at 12:48 pmShould we come back?
Comment by trueblue
If you want to.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:59 pmDo you need a permission slip from your Mom or something?
There have been other “brilliant” political svengalis throughout history. Rasputin comes to mind. And Goebbels. Plenty of blood on their hands, too. I just know they will take great pleasure welcoming RoveSlut to everlasting hellfire…sooner the better.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pmOh, that was really funny!
WooHoo, my belly’s aching from all that laughter.
I was asking Zooey for her opinion, thanks.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by ∞Ω
Are YOU my mom?
August 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#32 missmolly, it takes longer to rebuild a party than that, and the current leaders of the party will continue to delude themselves until they are clobbered in 2008. Then there will be an ugly battle among different factions to determine the future direction of the party. This will take at least a few years to settle, probably more. Then they have to convince the American people that they have changed, and this wil take years longer.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 13, 2007 @ 11:56 am
No — even if the GOP worked to wrest control of the party from the neocons starting now, they probably wouldn’t have the job done in time for the 2008 elections.
But remember that it was a scant six years between the resignation of Richard Nixon and the election of Ronald Reagan. Rove DID get one thing right — and that is the length of the average American’s attention span.
Of course, it WILL take longer if the next president doesn’t go and pardon all the crooks in the current administration…
August 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pmzooey – let me rephrase that:
what the hell could he possibly mean by that???
August 13th, 2007 at 1:05 pmwhat was the context?
.
I’ve been saying that for months!
Comment by Master P
All you’ve said for months is “heyooooooo”
August 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pmwhat the hell does that mean?
can you put some context in there?
Comment by katy — August 13, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Rove said it on the newsconference announcing his resignation — meaning he’ll be joining we little people out ihn the world. Ugh.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by Master P — August 13, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Knock it off, shit for brains. You don’t cause enough harm to people?
Tell us how your girlfriend died — DETAILS.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIn regards to Exlaxley’s innane Karl is “Honorable Karl” argument:
>Aside from the fact that you have embarassingly posted on the wrong
>thread,
It wouldnt let me post to that thread moron. The TP system is being selectively, randomly screwy. Your infesting all these threads with your feeble quiblings so I’ll call you out wherever I please..
(snip irrelvant arguments about “Chief of Staff”)
August 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“The Honorable John Podesta, The Honorable Thomas McLarty, The Honorable John Sununu, and The Honorable James Jones offered comments based on their experience as Chiefs of Staff†(not DEPUTY Chiefs of Staff)
Do you know the difference between Chief of Staff and a Deputy?
Yes exley, adding one word to a noun makes a lot of difference. Kinda like the difference between “degree†and “honorary degreeâ€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Chief_of_Staff
” White House Chief of Staff is the highest-ranking member of the Executive Office of the President of the United States and a senior aide to the President.”
Vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_White_House_Chief_of_Staff
“The Deputy White House Chief of Staff is the top aide to the White House Chief of Staff, who is the senior aide to the President of the United States. ”
notice some language missing from the last excerpt? He’s an underling of an underling. Technically Bush’s underling is the one who would be hiring him, not the president himself.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pmfind me one mention of a DEPUTY chief of staff listed as “hon.” on any official govt. site.
f#cking idiot, don’t let those philisophy classes you make B+’s in go to your head….
August 13th, 2007 at 1:32 pmMSNBC is fawning over Karl Rove saying that he is leaving to be with his family and that is all there is to it.
How stupid do they think we are to fall for that?
jack jett
August 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
“Your [sic] infesting all these threads with your feeble quiblings”
Actually, before you posted on the incorrect thread, I had only posted on one thread today. So, you are again mistaken.
As for the rest of your “Wikipedia” research, I am glad to see that you finally admit that I was correct when I pointed out that other posters were in error when they falsely claimed that the term “honorable” should only be applied to members of Congress and judges. As you now acknowledge, the term is also applicable to presidential staff members.
Since you are accepting of “Wikipedia,” I leave you with this:
“In the United States, the prefix The Honorable is used for some current and, in some cases, former government officials. Though there are few actual legal regulations of the title, it does appear in correspondence regulations and guides to forms of address. The “Federal Usage†is expressed in the United States Department of State correspondence guidelines and includes:
…
Appointed federal department heads, cabinet-level officials, Assistants to the President (down to the “Special Assistant†level)…”
Good day.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmodd couple… a meth freak and a junkie…
nobody wins…
August 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmCaption Contest : “holy crap did I get away with a lot of sh$t!”
August 13th, 2007 at 1:42 pmMore for #66,67 & 69:
“The Honorable Joseph W. Hagin, Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff”
And yet more:
“The Honorable Joel David Kaplan, Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, Office of the Chief of Staff Ms. Laura Cox Kaplan”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070507-12.html
Heh.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:49 pmCaption Contest: “here, take a whiff of this one.”
August 13th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThank you very, very, much TP.
I really appreciate your cleaning up that vile comment.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:50 pmRove said it on the newsconference announcing his resignation — meaning he’ll be joining we little people out ihn the world. Ugh.
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
thanks… ugh, is right…
i heard a clip on the radio – bush answered something about
following him on the road soon… same news conference?
…
gee, seems p went poof again…
too bad about his gf dying of a heroin overdose…
silly rich kids think they are more invinsible than normal…
August 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm…
Cool. P is gone — again.
Sorry, true. That was totally cruel of him.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmGood god, my ability to comment keeps coming and going.
P ought to remember that he is vulnerable as well.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI’m really happy that TP responded so quickly.
I’m kinda digging these new upgrades.
:)
August 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI’m really happy that TP responded so quickly.
I’m kinda digging these new upgrades.
:)
Comment by trueblue — August 13, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Maybe the intern is on a Red Bull IV drip….
August 13th, 2007 at 2:00 pmLOL
August 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Honorable#American_Usage
August 13th, 2007 at 2:36 pm” Federal usage also notes that the style of “Honorable†is used for life. This would include persons convicted of crimes after leaving office, resigned under a cloud, or who were removed from office…Still others, notably Webster Dictionary and Thesaurus, extend this down to all members of local legislative bodies and municipal attorneys (though not “Special Assisants to the President”) “….Looks like the Websters Def conflicts with your “federal usage” exlaxley.
Congratulations, you’ve successfully proved that Rove theoretically deserves the ambigious title “honorable” just like people like felon Bob Ney and the local dog catcher do…
Exlaxley how do you reconcile the fact that websters definition of honorable doesnt include “special assistants to the president”… as your “federal usage” definition does? Why does one trump the other?
August 13th, 2007 at 2:38 pmStill waiting for Exley to nitpcik the flaws in this statement:
August 13th, 2007 at 2:46 pmhttp://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003624798
relentless… for naught…
August 13th, 2007 at 2:50 pmKKKarl: three words…CUT AND RUN
You fat tub of shit.
August 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pmHELL’S CHERUB, Flyin’ Pig’s Lipsticker, Dubya Whisperer, aka, “Bush’s Brain”, “Turd Blossom”, “Karl Rove”
JOINED @ THE HIP
…of the viceberg
HIT THE ROAD GEORGE
Hit the road George
and don’t you come back no more no war no Endless War
Hit the road George!
and don’t-yer-Party come back for more
Woah People, oh folks, don’t treat us so mean,
You’re the meanest old Nation that I’ve ever seen.
I guess if you said so
I’d have to pack my thing$ and go. (That’s right)
Hit the Road George
and don’t-yer Party come back no more no more for Endless War
hit the road George
What you Say?!
Hit the Road George & don’t you come back for more no more no Endless War
Hit the Road George & don’t-ya come back for more no more no more for More
Now people, listen folks don’t ya treat me this-a way
cause I’ll be back from defeat someday
(cursed if you do ’cause it’s understood
you ain’t got clean money you just ain’t no GOOD)
Well I guess if you say so
I’d have to pack my thing$ & go (that’s right)
Hit the road George
and don’t you come back no more no more no Endless War
Hit the road George
and don’t you come back for more
Well
(don’t you come back no more)
Uh, what you say?
(IMPeach…)
I didn’t understand you…
(don’t you come back for more)
You can’t mean that…
(don’t you come back no more)
what you tryin’ to do to me
(don’t you come-back for more)
O don’t treat me like that
(you & yours…the whole sorry lotta ya! the Vice Precedent…Turd Blossom…the PNAC Gallery…GOPeteredPrinciple ChickenHawkius Wrexus…Coup Clux Clanners…Root-of-all-Evilists…Faustian Soldyur$…Backboneless BadApple “Democrats”
O Yeah, BIGtime–there’s the Bloody RUB!
TOLDya-so America: …Green Thumb$-Up$uckers ALL
…of Hou$e Bushelzebub…
don’t ya come back no more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
SET IT FREE
When we find ourselves in Crimes of Warfare, Phatcat Cheney comes to $ee,
speaking words of wi$dumb, let it be
and in this hour of darkness he is standing right in front of me
speaking words on YouTube, let it be…
let it be, let it be Iran now can’t-choo-$ee
whispurred word$ to Dubya, let it be
Let it be, let it be, Irannow don’t-choo-$ee
Whi$purred words of Phatcat, “$et it free”…
And if the broken hearted people living there agree,
occupation’s not the answer, let it be.
For though they may be jaded there is still a chance that they will see,
Jesus want$ their Oil “Free”, sow “let it be”.
Let it be, $et it Free…
And though Iraq is “Cloudy”, there is still IRAN, that shines for me,
shine until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the $ound of Chao$, brother Cheney comes to me,
speaking words of Warjone$, let it be.
Let it be, $et it Free…..
August 13th, 2007 at 4:24 pmThe correct things Rove said:
Congress’s approval ratings, as a whole, are lower than Bush’s. That’s what they get for betrayal.
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
The FISA debate has caused a fissure in the Democratic Party. Witness the fight between Kos and the DLC as well as all the calls for ditching all the blue dog dems. Of course, that won’t last since party comes before country for most of these people.
And if Hillary Clinton gets the Dem nomination, the Republicans WILL have a decent chance at beating her. Remember 51% of the US has said that they will not vote for her no matter what.
August 13th, 2007 at 7:47 pmRove is such a poor strategist that on election day 2000 he sent Bush to campaign in CA instead of FL. If he had Bush might have actually won FL, which he didn’t.
August 13th, 2007 at 10:53 pmRove couldn’t even predict the obvious last year. Democrats won the 2006 midterm elections by a landslide. His “math” failed.
August 13th, 2007 at 10:57 pmAll these glowing accolades by right-wing pundits and politicians is because they know that Rove will do a hatchet job on them in his upcoming book if they don’t suck up to his Turd Blossom ego and ass now.
But I actually agree with Rove’s statement about there being a fissure in the Democratic Party, because Rove has found willing co-conspirators in the rubber-stamp Republ…er, DINO DLC Blue Dog Democrats, who have consistently sided with the “culture of corruption” Republicans against the progressive, liberal wing of the Democratic Party, somewhat hampering efforts to stop the criminal acts of the worst and most corrupt administration in American history. Which is why Rove is optimistic that these DINO DLC Blue Dog Democrats will continue to do the same, which will do even more damage to our democracy beyond that which has already been done.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:00 amIn Karl’s world, forecasts serve to self-delude.
August 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pm