CBS poll: More than 60 percent want troop reduction.
By on Aug 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
CBS poll: More than 60 percent want troop reduction.
According to a new CBS News poll, 29 percent of Americans believe that the escalation is having a positive impact, an increase of 10 percentage points from last month. But more than two-thirds remain pessimistic about the general direction in Iraq, and 46 percent believe the U.S. presence in Iraq is creating terrorists. The poll indicates a strong majority of Americans want a drawdown:
About one-third of Americans say that the U.S. should reduce troop levels in Iraq, and another 30 percent say the U.S. should remove all troops from the country. Just under one-third say America should increase troop levels or keep them at the same level they are today.
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I really like the idea of running our country according to whatever random poll you happen to select; it should make things a lot easier to manage.
A recent poll also said that Hillary would lose to various republican candidates in a presidential nomination. She should withdraw right now.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pmIt’s interesting that public opinion about the surge is getting more positive even though the government’s reports on the surge report that they’re not really making any progress at all.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhy do the majority of Americans hate America?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:45 pmwell, as the public gets lied to every day by Bushco, some real idiots will believe tha the surge is working. Those of us who have caught onto the Big Lie Nazi techniques, whether way back at the beginning, or just lately, know that nothing they say can be believed, espcially their justifications for sending more young American targets over there. Withdraw, spend the money at home where it’s needed, and stop weakening America’s military and position in the world.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTo: W
FROM: Texasjuice ( a fellow Texan) by way of Houston, not CT. or Kennebunkport.
Just say, “We are there to take their OIL”, then do it! Otherwise get the F out. Stop pretending to care about Iraqi’s and wheather or not they have a democracy. I mean don’t we care about the other mid-east countries living under the iron fist of sheik/dictators? As long as the leaders are friendly to our interest, of course we DO NOT care! Lets just own up to it and be honest. Stop the BULLS**t lying! We want that damn Iraqi OIL, now kill everyone there and take it, (I’ll fight for it to keep my Navigator running under 3.00 a gal.) or get the F out of that country! Whats so hard about making it simple???
August 14th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThe J-boy name is offensive.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pmmore then 60 percent don’t know how much Hillary Clinton plans on screwing the poor.
gravel08.us
August 14th, 2007 at 12:50 pmDID YOU SEE? DID YOU SEE?
Comment by i — August 14, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
i watched it, and saw nothing of the sort. You obviously didn’t see it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:52 pmGovernment reports say the surge is not working.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pmBut the BushCo toadies are out there in force saying the surge is working and the troops need to stay to “get the job done.”
Obviously, the toadies are gaining in the debate — with a little help from their friends at Fox and the msm.
More than 90% dont know who Gravel is, or how he will pay for his proposals.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI really like the idea of running our country according to whatever random poll you happen to select; it should make things a lot easier to manage.
Comment by Gravy–May Thy Trip Master P — August 14, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Hey, here’s some more:
August 14th, 2007 at 12:54 pm98% of the posters here wish you would just stick to one posting name.
75% believe your need for attention may be the result of an inferiority complex (in other words, a particular “short” coming)
67.5% acknowledge the fact that if your parents would spend more time with you, you wouldn’t feel the need to be on their computer all day long.
100% can not wait until school starts!
the surge is working just fine, for the insurgents. More targets of opportunity, more reason for them to feel like they can run the USA out. they apparently are quite correct in their thinking. betrayus was the last general left that would suck up to a Deserter-In-Chief. he has thoroughly shamed the armed forces.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by ronjazz
he’s made it clear that he plans on being much more responsible with the American economy then anyone else running.
look it up. He’s for fiscal responsibility. He’s not for just throwing more taxes on the poor like edwards, obama, Hillary will do.
http://www.gravel08.us
August 14th, 2007 at 12:55 pmhe hasn’t made it clear how he’s going to do it, though.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:56 pmBut what does your average American know?
We should just relax and let the adults over at the AEI call all the shots, right?
sarcasm OFF!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmHey, here’s some more:
Like the CBS poll, these are also flawed. Liberals take poles, not polls.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmyes he has. you just havn’t been paying attention
health care – just reinstitute medicare
war – over
gas – carbon tax but lowering the price before hand the oil companies have made enough off of our addiction
national initiative – we get to vote on what we want as a majority a TRUE DEMOCRACY
all these facts are readily available if youd take the time to look it up
August 14th, 2007 at 12:58 pmApparently our new troll has a developmental problem. Poor guy.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pmComment by i — August 14, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
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How long was Kristol there? I was there for 18 months. The surge has been an utter, complete failure.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pmi: “WILLIAM KRISTOL SAID THAT THE SURGE IS WORKING.
DID YOU SEE? DID YOU SEE?”
William Kristol also said this: “There is this pop psycology that Sunnis and Shiites can’t get along, that there will be some kind of a civil war there. Nothing could be further from the truth. Iraq has been secular for a long time now.”
Did you see? Did you see?
August 14th, 2007 at 1:01 pmthe entire war has been a failure from the start. because we were never there to create stability. think about it. if their business is war then why would they try to end their war? the longer the war the more the profits.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:01 pmHow long was Kristol there? I was there for 18 months. The surge has been an utter, complete failure.
Considering the surge has only been going for what, two months and you are here, Id say youre being dishonest.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:01 pmGravy: “A recent poll also said that Hillary would lose to various republican candidates in a presidential nomination. She should withdraw right now.”
Nice try. Sorry, but Hillary has soundly beaten Rudy and all other Repub front-runners in 12 out of the last 14 polls, and the most recent polls show her lead widening not narrowing. I know that’s not the message they’re delivering to you on television, but look it up for yourself.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI support the American occupation of Iraq because it contributes to the downfall of America. A weaker America on the world stage is a good thing for all peoples. Let us hope America continues chasing its tail in Iraq. The troops should NEVER be withdrawn.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI think comments by “i” are sarcasm/satire.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:05 pmHey, here’s some more:
Like the CBS poll, these are also flawed. Liberals take poles, not polls.
Comment by Gravy–May Thy Trip Be Rapacious
No Liberals have POLES
Conservatives have TADPOLES
STFU
August 14th, 2007 at 1:05 pmConsidering the surge has only been going for what, two months and you are here, Id say youre being dishonest.
Comment by Power Pup — August 14, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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It was kicked off in March, and if you are going to use the short time frame as an excuse, then you cannot say it has been successful, either. After all, according to you, how could it be successful if it has only been going on two weeks?
August 14th, 2007 at 1:05 pmLook the same basic 30% who defend Bush also support the Iraq war. Those 30% are fascistic and exhibit severe brain abnormalities. In a Democracy the majority rules, so 70% want the damn occupation of Iraq to come to an end ASAP.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmHey, here’s some more:
Like the CBS poll, these are also flawed. Liberals take poles, not polls.
Comment by Gravy–May Thy Trip Be Rapacious
Liberals have POLES (get it)
Conservatives-TADPOLES
LOL
August 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmConsidering the surge has only been going for what, two months and you are here, Id say youre being dishonest.
Considering the surge started in January 2007, I think you need to go back to 2nd grade and learn basic math.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNice try. Sorry, but Hillary has soundly beaten Rudy and all other Repub front-runners in 12 out of the last 14 polls, and the most recent polls show her lead widening not narrowing. I know that’s not the message they’re delivering to you on television, but look it up for yourself.
YOU IDIOT THEY’RE ONE IN THE SAME!!!!
Supporting Hillary is supporting BUSH.
WAKE UP!!! You’re supporting more war more taxes more war on drugs more NAFTA more of everything you hate!
gravel08.us
without us doing something drastic and fighting the propaganda machines with everything at our disposal we will be fighting eachother for crumbs in the very neer future!!!
August 14th, 2007 at 1:08 pmSO WHAT!!!! Who gives a rip what americans think I know Bush doesn’t.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI CARE MARCUS BECAUSE I’M A GOD DAMN PATRIOT UNLIKE YOU YOU YELLOW SCUM!
August 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmold hack, if you really do want to work with “us” may I suggest not calling us idiots? That’d be a start.
I suspect that most here share your sense of urgency and disgust.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:20 pmthey never posed themselves against the war. it was all political theater. OUR ENTIRE CONGRESS IS CORRUPT! WE NEED A MAN LIKE GRAVEL TO EXPOSE THEM FOR WHAHT THEY ARE! JUST A STRONG ARM FOR BIG BUSINESS!
August 14th, 2007 at 1:20 pmI doubt calling people yellow scum will get Gravel any more votes either.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmLook the same basic 30% who defend Bush also support the Iraq war. Those 30% are fascistic and exhibit severe brain abnormalities. In a Democracy the majority rules, so 70% want the damn occupation of Iraq to come to an end ASAP.
Comment by Jay Randal — August 14, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I would dissagree with your conclusion. According to the latest CBS poll, only 30 percent want all troops removed, 30 percent would like to see a reduction in troop levels.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmDemocrats aknowlege that troops will remain for years. It takes 1 month to remove a brigade, so you are looking at least 1.5 years to remove all troops. This will not occur, especially with Iran gaining nuclear capabilities and Syria threatening Israel. The anti-war left will lose. Wheather or not you agreed with the invasion, we owe it to the American and Iraqi people to stabilize the country and build their self-sustaining military that doesn’t support terrorism
The surge is going so well that soon the Dems are going to reverse themselves totally (not just partially) on Iraq!
Comment by Sonny Black — August 14, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
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How is the surge working Mr. Pee? It was supposed to create a stable environment that could help promote political stability. The political system in Iraq is near collapse. Malike has asked that Patreus be removed. The Sunnis have left the government. Ethnic cleansing has increased.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:22 pmComment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 14, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
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Mr. Pee, why do you keep changing names? Oh, and you can remove more than one brigade at a time.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:24 pmI think comments by “i†are sarcasm/satire.
Comment by Marie — August 14, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Nah — I think “i” is just like a gnat. Trying hard to annoy, trying hard to be the focus of attention, but completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWheather or not you agreed with the invasion, we owe it to the American and Iraqi people to stabilize the country and build their self-sustaining military that doesn’t support terrorism
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 14, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Any ideas on how to do this? The methods we have been using so far aren’t working.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI think comments by “i†are sarcasm/satire.
Comment by Marie — August 14, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
#
i = Mr. Pee
August 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmFor starters, read http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,499154,00.html
which actually (gasp!) presents a balanced look at the Iraq war, both the good and the bad.
Fringe-dwellers need to leave the echo chamber a little more often and understand that people with opposing views aren’t diseased or dysfunctional necessarily, they just have a different opinion on how to reach similar goals.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:28 pmConsidering the surge has only been going for what, two months and you are here, Id say youre being dishonest.
Comment by Power Pup — August 14, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
according to the lying deserter-In-Chief, the surge started in March. that means you need to use both hands to count how many months it’s been going on, ‘tard.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:29 pmLOL Savage > all the troops can be withdrawn within 6 months time or less. Bush is not in Iraq to help the Iraqi citizenry, but to just steal all of Iraq’s OIL reserves.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by Chris L — August 14, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Im not mr. p.,
The military official on Wolf Blitzer said one brigage per month is the quickest possible, I believe it was Lt. Gen Odierno.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pmWheather or not you agreed with the invasion, we owe it to the American and Iraqi people to stabilize the country and build their self-sustaining military that doesn’t support terrorism
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 14, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
we had that befopre you traitors f*cked it up. Now, just STFU and crawl back into your hole, you worthless POS.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pmMr. Pee, why do you keep changing names? Oh, and you can remove more than one brigade at a time.
Comment by Chris L — August 14, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Not p. he’s used to removing one dick at a time from his butt, going on his own personal experience. That’s the closest he’ll ever get to “combat”.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pmFor starters, read http://www.spiegel.de/ international/ world/ 0,1518,499154,00.html
which actually (gasp!) presents a balanced look at the Iraq war, both the good and the bad.
Fringe-dwellers need to leave the echo chamber a little more often and understand that people with opposing views aren’t diseased or dysfunctional necessarily, they just have a different opinion on how to reach similar goals.
Comment by unbelievable — August 14, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
The war was illegal, immoral and unnecessary from the start, so that article is irrelevant. Killing Iraqis wholesale is indefensible by any civilized person. There is no other argument. It’s not even about incompetence and bloodthirstiness, it’s about wrong. Bush was wrong, Betrayus is wrong, kristol is wrong, all of them were wrong, including Dems that trusted a drunken, coke-addled deserter to be responsible.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThe military official on Wolf Blitzer said one brigage per month is the quickest possible, I believe it was Lt. Gen Odierno.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 14, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
the only “generals’ allowed on television are the ones who have already blown Bush and Cheney. They lie for a living.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThe war was illegal, immoral and unnecessary from the start, so that article is irrelevant. Killing Iraqis wholesale is indefensible by any civilized person. There is no other argument. It’s not even about incompetence and bloodthirstiness, it’s about wrong. Bush was wrong, Betrayus is wrong, kristol is wrong, all of them were wrong, including Dems that trusted a drunken, coke-addled deserter to be responsible.
Comment by ronjazz — August 14, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
My blood boils when you leftists (not all) say that American troops are killing innocent iraqis:
The Real 2006
‘Iraq Body Count’
16,791
Iraqi civilians killed last year by ISLAMIC Terrorists
225*
August 14th, 2007 at 1:43 pmIraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
(and Islamic Terrorists)
The Republican spin machine and its friendlies in the MSM had the propaganda pedal all the way to the floor but could get only this meager boost. Wait until next spring, when the GOP finally realizes that it has headed off a cliff and is about to hit bottom.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#57 Cite some sources for those numbers, Michael Savage, paid liar.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:49 pm225*
Iraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
(and Islamic Terrorists)
Comment by Michael P, PhD — August 14, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Please cite the source that used the asterick for “collateral incidents among Iraqi civilians.
Please also source Iraqi civilians killed collaterally from 2003 to 2006 involving Americans.
thank you in advance for your research to continue your fine debating skills and knowledge.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pmCheck out some of the information on Odierno in the Thomas Ricks book, Fiasco.
August 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pmYou might not like what you read about him.
thank you in advance for your research to continue your fine debating skills and knowledge.
Comment by DRxJ
it is funny that when asked for sources to claims the trolls respond with:
August 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pm**crickets chirping**
Check out some of the information on Odierno in the Thomas Ricks book, Fiasco.
You might not like what you read about him.
Comment by Marie
Exactly! And he is the one whose troops were bullying and indiscriminately imprisoning civilians. He is a true piece of work!
August 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pmwhy are dems now saying we will be iraq for years?
Perhaps because they may win the white house.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:43 pmWhat these polls lack is a description of the terms under which Americans would accept a withdrawal. We all want our troops home, but if a precipitous retreat leaves Iraq in worse shape than when Saddam was in power, then I suspect polls would be against it.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:50 pmWhy are the Democrats so ready to cash it in? Why are they playing politics with war? Why not find a way to win it or way to get out without politics? Why not stand by their convictions to go to war? How come animosity is so high and determental to the American landscape?
So many non binding resolutions! Is that what they were elected to do?
Perhaps it wasn’t about the war but the people only had two options…perhaps we should look at other candidates outside the two party system.
August 14th, 2007 at 2:51 pmlostcosts:
The war is already lost. You sound like an addicted gambler who refuses to get help while insisting on throwing the dice one more time. You’ve had your 4-year surge. Iraqis don’t want to be “saved” by America anymore.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:10 pmComment by corsair — August 14, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Iraqis just want to kill each other… that seems a-okay by you!
August 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAmerica can stay in Iraq while Iraqis kill each other or America can STAY in Iraq while Iraqis kill each other. Take your pick. A meager 160,000 troops won’t do JACK SQUAT to keep Iraq together AND your crocodile tears for the “poor Iraqi people killing each other” is pathetic. You are only interested in saving the tarnished legacy of your chimp in the White House. Give it up.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:15 pmEdit: Should be “or America can LEAVE Iraq while Iraqis kill each other. Take your pick.”
August 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by corsair — August 14, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
All of mankind has a moral obligation to prevent genocide.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAmerican: Then how come you’re not fighting in Sudan right now?
August 14th, 2007 at 3:20 pmthis is progressive european media that recognizes that everything is not lost in Iraq:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,499154,00.html
check it out and consider. We’re in Iraq today. Do we leave Iraq to all out genocidal civil war and cement the idea in the minds of middle eastern Muslims that democracy is not a legitimate option for them. Or do we try to promote democracy in Iraq in the hopes that it will serve as an alternative to Islamic fundamentalism that fosters a jihad mentality and denies many of the liberties that westerners take for granted from our Muslim brothers and sisters in the middle east.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:21 pmGenocide is happening in Iraq right now. It’s arrogant for America to think it can stop the genocide on its own and without the international community.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“Ramadi is an irritating contradiction of almost everything the world thinks it knows about Iraq — it is proof that the US military is more successful than the world wants to believe. Ramadi demonstrates that large parts of Iraq — not just Anbar Province, but also many other rural areas along the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers — are essentially pacified today. This is news the world doesn’t hear: Ramadi, long a hotbed of unrest, a city that once formed the southwestern tip of the notorious “Sunni Triangle,” is now telling a different story, a story of Americans who came here as liberators, became hated occupiers and are now the protectors of Iraqi reconstruction.”
August 14th, 2007 at 3:27 pmSince June, Ramadi residents have only known the war from televison. Indeed, US military officials at the Baghdad headquarters of Operation Iraqi Freedom often have trouble believing their eyes when they read the reports coming in from their units in Ramadi these days. Exploded car bombs: zero. Detonated roadside bombs: zero. Rocket fire: zero. Grenade fire: zero. Shots from rifles and pistols: zero. Weapons caches discovered: dozens. Terrorists arrested: many.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“The Americans run into acquaintances in the crowd. After being stationed in the city for 10 months, they have become a familiar sight. Bearded men greet the soldiers with hugs and kisses, and passersby hand them cold cans of lemonade. “Thank you, Mister,” “Hello, Mister,” “How are you, Mister?” they say. They talk about paint for schools and soccer jerseys, and they invite the Americans over for lunch. The Iraqis pose for photos with them, making “V’s” for “victory” with their fingers.”
August 14th, 2007 at 3:29 pmPlease don’t quit on this. Even if you disagree with us going into Iraq, the choice seems to me is quit and leave the Iraqi’s to genocide. Or stay and continue to try different ways to help stabilize and promote democracy in Iraq. No one here will disagree that democracy is a good thing. Better than Islamic theocracy. No one likes American soldiers being killed. But there is a purpose. The intolerance of Islamic fundamentalism in the middle east increasingly no longer only affects those of the middle east.
In the current state of affairs, there are no good choices. I believe the best of the poor choices is to pay the price necessary to promote stabilization and democracy in the middle east.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:33 pmNo one here will disagree that democracy is a good thing.
Sure, but Iraq’s government is pure “puppet regime”, NOT democracy.
The intolerance of Islamic fundamentalism
Is no different than your intolerance of Islam.
Comment by paul
Please, if it’s so damn important to you, enlist by ALL means.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWho cares what they think? Wars of aggression are evil. Ask the WWII generation. They hanged war aggressors in Germany and Japan.
Colonialism is evil.
Occupation is evil.
Wars based on FRAUD are evil…
The outcome of this situation was determined the day it started. Nothing can be done, ever, to change the truth which has been recorded on the most powerful history recording device of all human history… the Internet.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:46 pmWork on alternative fuels, get those working, and for God’s sake let Israel defend itself. America should not be isolationist, but should stay out of foreign entanglements as the founding fathers wisely warned.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:19 amNewspapers have headlines like “least deadly month in Iraq” when it was actually the highest July death toll in the HISTORY of Iraq. They meant to write “least deadly month in 2007″ – which is very sad.
Newspapers wrote yesterday that “Large scale attacks down – proves surge is working” when minutes later over 200 Iraqis (and soldiers) were killed in mass truck bombings.
Polls change daily with what we read. I appreciate that the media is optimistic – but it does us a diservice to water down facts. My boyfriend is on his 4th tour in Iraq, and I know that his experiences are definately found in the average newspaper or broadcast.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:39 am