A study by the National Priorities Project finds that “half of the nation’s eligible poor aren’t getting the food stamps to which they’re entitled.” “We’ve got over 35 million people in this country struggling to get enough food to eat, and 50 percent of all low-income people are not receiving the benefit that is intended to alleviate this food insecurity,” said Greg Speeter, the project’s executive director. “While the food-stamp program provides a vital service, clearly too many people are still going without.” See the report here.
Entitled.
I like that!
Such a great word. Maybe if those that are entitled would get a job because they can work those who truly do NEED help will get it.
How about those jobs that Americans will not do so we NEED illegal aliens to do?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:05 amand even when they do get food stamps its not enough to ustain a healthy diet.
mike gravel will solve all our problems!!! SERIOUSLY!!!
fight demand it donate time money energy. stop letting politicians control you!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amhere it is - their own special playground thread!
go for it troolls! show us your empathy and understanding!
we’re listening…
August 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amI agree with poster #1
August 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amEligible would be a better choice of words
Wait, what? I’m not even sure that’s a coherent comment, troll #1 (you get a special title too :D). The report mentioned ‘low income’, which would likely include people that make money but not enough to pay bills AND feed their families.
This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Put the tin foil hats away please.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:08 amComment by katy — August 14, 2007 @ 11:07 am
No kidding, katy. Wow, do you think it will make the trolls even more happy to know that so many who are eligible for food stamps AREN’T getting them? Bonus!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:09 am/sarc
How about the families where educational disadvantage forces mom and dad to work at minimum wage jobs>? They are ELIGIBLE for food stamps.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:12 amHow many trolls want to see their children go to bed hungry?
in California the medi-cal and welfare system is being robbed by illegal immigrants. Its true. I’m not racist it’s just a fact!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:13 amits really sad to see you people just chat about whos more of a troll instead of actually doing something to change the system. its really sad. you people are acting like helpless little children.
STOP AND THINK My God!
gravel08.us
August 14th, 2007 at 11:14 amComment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Perhaps some of those eligible are growing food in their own backyard, instead of trying to depend on the government to cover their woes.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:15 amPeople making minimum wage jobs or jobs not much better, with a family do qualify for food stamps.
It has nothing to do with “entitlement” or any crap trolls want to throw out. Minimum wage jobs or even 2 min wage jobs means people are still living in poverty.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:15 ameven the roman republic had a system to feed the poor.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:15 amRUCerious-
how about not having children if you cannot afford them?
A novel concept, I must say. No one is forced to work minimum wage. If you cannot get above minimum wage in a few months and better yourself. Shame on you!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:16 amold hack
I say again: The guy is in favour of making drastic systematic changes to America’s tax code during a period in which America cannot afford to do it. That is without even getting into the flaws of a so-called “fair” tax.
Further, while his policies look good on paper I would like to know how he plans to actually pay for any of them. Indeed it strikes me that he is over-promising, and bound to under-deliver.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:19 amA person working full time at the current federal minimum wage of $5.15 per hour would earn only $10, 712 in a year. If that person is a single parent, the home would be officially well below the poverty line. A home with two full-time workers earning the minimum wage would bring home $21,424, just slightly above poverty level.
http://www.askquestions.org/ details.php?id=7411&gclid=CPrGmbOl9Y0CFRAvYAodey2gLw
August 14th, 2007 at 11:19 amlostcosts
So you advocate children starving to prove a point to their parents?
Yet more proof that Rightwingers only care about life before it comes out of the womb.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amComment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 11:15 am
It’s possible, yes. I also know that many people simply will not apply forthe foodstamps, even if they are eligible, because of a sense of shame. This is from personal experience. Luckily my children did not suffer for it, because of nice Sunday dinners at Grandma’s house — but not all families have that available.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amBoy oh boy, where to begin with the mess at post #1?
Maybe if those that are entitled would get a job because they can work those who truly do NEED help will get it.
Comment by lostcause — August 14, 2007 @ 11:05 am
As Xbot has already pointed out, these are working people who are entitled to help regarding the most basic necissity, food.
These are the family of 10 who lost their parents in an automobile accident, and are now being taken care of by their aunt.
This is the uneducated mother of 4, whose husband just up and left her with the kids, the mortgage, et al., never to be heard from again.
Truly, lost, you are not a Christian, because you would never smite the poor.
How about those jobs that Americans will not do so we NEED illegal aliens to do?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:21 amSo people are actually choosing to work minimum wage? Service jobs at minimum wage are accounting for a great deal of the new jobs being created. So who’s gonna drop your fries?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:21 amDo you know how long it takes to get a raise at a fast food job?
Do you know how many restaurant employees make minimum wage plus tips?
You’re grasp of economics is appalling.
The bureaucratic nightmare of applying for food stamps can be terrifying and demeaning to many people.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:22 amTo most, it is an invasive and personally shameful process, and it deters a lot of eligible people from even applying.
No one is forced to work minimum wage. If you cannot get above minimum wage in a few months and better yourself. Shame on you!
Comment by lostcosts
Not everyone can get a higher paying job.
Minimum wage is so low that it actually causes poverty.
Shame on you for ignoring the facts. Troll
August 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amour daily cosmic conjunction, Zooey!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amRUCerious-
how about not having children if you cannot afford them?
A novel concept, I must say. No one is forced to work minimum wage. If you cannot get above minimum wage in a few months and better yourself. Shame on you!
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:16 am
No, shame on YOU. Do you live in such a dream world that you have no idea that lives change? When I had my children, I could afford them — I could have afforded to have ten children, but chose to have two.
My marriage ended, and I was on my own with my children, after having been a stay at home mom. I worked minimum wage jobs for the first couple of years because that’s what was available.
Shame on you for being so self-righteous and judgmental.
Oh yeah…..f*ck off.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:25 amXbot-or enabler (like the name I gave you)
Maybe if they did not buy that HDTV and have cable or a cell phone or worked full time or worked two jobs. Or did not buy the latest brand of clothing and shoes. You know, those other entitlements!
Also, if you reread what I wrote and think about it a bit.
So many people claiming no work or not enough work. How about the jobs illegals are doing. They can do. Is it against the law to work more than one job?
I believe in helping those that actually need it and unfortunatley those who do are NOT because of those who use the system to get what they want.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:26 am“How about those jobs that Americans will not do so we NEED illegal aliens to do?”
And if someone suggests that these jobs might be filled by Americans if the jobs paid a decent wage, “lostcosts” will play the “but that will make things more expensive” card - without noting that if these jobs paid more, the communities where these jobs exist would have a larger tax base, making it easier to fund food-stamp and welfare programs in these communities.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:27 amour daily cosmic conjunction, Zooey!
Comment by Raven — August 14, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Than goodness we got it in early — I sure needed it. :-)
August 14th, 2007 at 11:28 amlostcosts
So you advocate absentee parenting too.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:28 am#19. Waiters rarely make minimum wage+ tips. They have a sub minimum wage that they can legally be paid because tips fill the gap.
Of course, its a gamble because they are taxed on the tips at a rate higher than their actual wages.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:28 amAnd the Roman empire fell because idle minds and hands destroyed the strength and self reliance of the individual. Which lead to decadence and decay.
Again, I don’t mind helping those who help themselve and actually NEED help. Not those using the system to live off of me.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:28 am“don’t let the bastards wear you down”
August 14th, 2007 at 11:30 am;)
Again, I don’t mind helping those who help themselve and actually NEED help. Not those using the system to live off of me.
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:28 am
That bureaucracy would cost more in time and money than it costs NOW to have a few slackers getting something they don’t “deserve,” dingleberry.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:30 amlostcosts, you are lumping all people that are eligible for food stamps in the same stereotype. Yes there are those that do jack squat and want everything given to them. BUT NOT EVERYONE IN THAT SITUATION ARE LIKE THAT.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:31 am“Maybe if they did not buy that HDTV and have cable or a cell phone or worked full time or worked two jobs. Or did not buy the latest brand of clothing and shoes. You know, those other entitlements!”
And lostcosts turns onto Sterotype Lane, looking for his lost argument…
August 14th, 2007 at 11:31 am“How about those jobs that Americans will not do so we NEED illegal aliens to do?â€
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I have no doubt that many of those eligible poor referred to in the study cited above ARE illegal aliens.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amA country gone to the dogs
August 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amComment by Wayne — August 14, 2007 @ 11:23 am
I respect your views regarding the minimum wage, but we have to keep in mind small businesses and fact that employers can cut/consolidate particular jobs if they feel that the min. wage is too high for liking.
My take is that it’s better to have the jobs exist at minimum wage than it is to not have them exist at all. At least with most employees, they’re getting some kind of raise within the first year.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amseriously lostcosts go read the sermon on the mount then get back to me. Those with money somehow believe that god has smiled on them and this proves that they are a good christian. The development of the rich always comes at the expense of the poor. Example in L.A. there are 10 plants registered with the EPA for dispensing of hazardous chemicals they are located with .5 miles of 22 schools that serve predominately low income and minority families. UMMM maybe this is why the children need to go to the doctor so often and thus miss alot of school and fall further behind. Maybe this is why a lot of money while they are infants goes to medical expenses instead of high quality daycare to get them ready for kindergarten.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amTP is now choosing what part of my posts will appear and what part will not?
Huh?
Well, to continue where I was cut off on my previous post:
How about those jobs that Americans will not do so we NEED illegal aliens to do?
Comment by lostcause — August 14, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Now the low income families are to blame for companies that hire illegal immigrants? Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact the big corporations won’t have to pay at least minimum wage, won’t have to provide benefits, won’t have to adhere to their own policies, thus increasing the CEOs wallets that much more!
As I Christian, I’m appalled that this administration, supposedly a
August 14th, 2007 at 11:32 am(c)hristian base, is more concerned with the union of same sex than feeding the poor.
JWNBP! (Jesus Would Not Be Proud)
lostcosts,
Why does this have you so riled up? Are you pissed that all those Fortune 500 companies are cashing in on their welfare?
I love the righteous right when it comes to federal aid. Their all for it when it empowers multi-national corporations, but when it helps to feed poor families, their ready to lynch somebody.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amno more kind heartyness left in society today
August 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amBruce Gorton-
Most kids go to gov’t provided schools too. How about working then? Contact your local social services for other after school programs that are also provided by my tax dollars. Use them to better yourself. Get yourself out of the poverty level.
Again, helping those that help themselves. Not a problem. But entitled to something is not right. It makes people believe they have a RIGHT to it.
When they don’t. They are getting hand out help only if they work to better their situation.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:34 amJWNBP! (Jesus Would Not Be Proud)
Comment by DRxJ — August 14, 2007 @ 11:32 am
Now that would be a great bumper sticker
August 14th, 2007 at 11:35 amRUCerious-
how about not having children if you cannot afford them?
A novel concept, I must say. No one is forced to work minimum wage. If you cannot get above minimum wage in a few months and better yourself. Shame on you!
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:16 am
You are not an American, or a Christian. You are a hater, and your ignorance of what is happening out there is fueling your hate. Nobody is living off you, you greedy pig. You should be dropped on an island and have to fend for yourself. Compared to the corporate bailouts and tax breaks for those who need them the least, the poor get less than crumbs from such anti-society neandertals such as you.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:36 amCrump-
Don’t pin me under the same thumb as the righteous right. So simplistic to go there.
I am upset at welfare for Fortune 500 companies too. Totally against. it.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:36 amPerhaps lostcosts has never heard that Walmart advised new hires to apply for foodstamps, to augment their low wages. And that was a corporate policy, not just some isolated stores.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:36 amThe poor know they are getting screwed. The middle class is for the most part ignoring that they are getting screwed. The upper class gets richer. As with other societies in human history, when the lower class outnumbers the middle class or when the middle class get fed up then this society will go through some major adjustments.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:36 ambut not all families have that available.
Comment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 11:20 am
been there too…
my first thought when reading this thread copy - clearly too many people are still going without. - “it’s called PRIDE”…
August 14th, 2007 at 11:37 am.
No one has mentioned that some of our service men and women are elligible for food stamps.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amSo lostcosts are you only believe in corporate welfare? What about the billions of dollars the fed just but into the market to help out lenders that but out bad loans. Shouldn’t they have to work for it? Shouldn’t there be so consequence for their actions. What is good at the individual level is good at the institutional level right?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amAnd lostcosts turns onto Sterotype Lane, looking for his lost argument…
Comment by barfly — August 14, 2007 @ 11:31 am
lostcosts is just all bound up in hate and discontent, and forgot he can’t rely on lame-assed stereotypes to back up an argument.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amMy take is that it’s better to have the jobs exist at minimum wage than it is to not have them exist at all. At least with most employees, they’re getting some kind of raise within the first year.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Then you don’t understand that the CEOs of these companies take millions a year in salary and benefits, while fighting to keep the minimum wage as low as possible. if these pigs at the trough weren’t such subhuman filth, the minimum wage could be doubled without any jobs being lost at all.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amWe are all correct in a degree or to and all missing in action when it come’s to getting this mess cleaned up….First off I know several on food stamp’s, neighbor’s and all must use the food bank’s as well….Still they come up short on need’s….
As I review what my neighbor’s have told me they are put in a financial catagory and the stamp’s are set by their finance’s….A person on disability with $568.00 total income per month is getting $123.00 per month in food stamp’s..At least that’s what she said to me…The disabled vet get’s around $1,200,00 per month and not able to get stamp’s…My other neighbor’s are raising their grand son…Their income total is $1,400.00 and the state allow’s a few dollar’s a month for the grand son…All the above have medical coverage through medicade or medical…Then we have 3 low wage worker’s who get emergency food stamp help while they are not working….The remaining resident’s which include me work or are retired and have never applied for assistance….We are hoping we will never have to….Keep in mind all the above must pay rent and all other bill’s out of their income’s..As I see it the financial index is set to high and their income’s way to low to eat and survive in a healthy manner…
Last but not least may I add in our little community that all services are stretched beyond belief by illegal immigrant’s using all services to the point of breaking…I am not against legal immigration but know first hand our clinic’s and food stamp system is crashing because of the massive illegal use….We need a re vamping and huge change to fix our problem’s on health care and food stamp’s…..Blessings
August 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amHi ronjazz,
Still worked up into a frothing rage I see.
Did you sleep well?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amRonjazz - Apparently you are incapable of connecting the dots - “Corporations actually employ people. Tax breaks fuel the economic growth which in turn, garners more tax revenue.” A complicated concept, I know…..
August 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amComment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Good point. I would suggest modernization of the program, such as the government paying direct cash to eligible people (eliminating “Food Stamps”), offering gardening advice for fruits and vegetables and inexpense, yet wholesome recipes.
Perhaps if the government would add color to the program, it would reduce the stigma and become even more cost effective, perhaps even teaching people how to “catch their own fish.” There are many good ideas that could be pitched. Some people, truly, can’t anticipate the risk of poverty.
I’m glad that you and your children made it through.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:40 ammy first thought when reading this thread copy - clearly too many people are still going without. - “it’s called PRIDEâ€â€¦
Comment by katy — August 14, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Also, fear of the giant bureaucracy. It can be terrifying to some.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:41 am“Corporations actually employ people.”
And use the welfare system to fatten their bottom lines. Read my last post, MA.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:41 amronjazz ~ well voiced!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:26 am
ok… this one cannot even construct a proper sentence…
at first i thought “trust fund brat” (entitlement)…
August 14th, 2007 at 11:42 ambut now i have to study it some more…
maybe…
.
A complicated concept, I know…..
Comment by valiant fantasy— August 14, 2007 @ 11:39 am
but not as complex as pretending to have a dead child!
Dammit girl.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amQuit smokin’
Eat a well balanced meal.
Stay away from the meth.
…and soon, you too can be a part of the dating scene!
Ronjazz - Apparently you are incapable of connecting the dots - “Corporations actually employ people. Tax breaks fuel the economic growth which in turn, garners more tax revenue.†A complicated concept, I know…..
Comment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 11:39 am
bullshit, plain and simple. Trickle down is just the rich pissing on the poor. You are either an ignorant fool or a liar. Probably both. corporations are sending all the jobs overseas, taking them from Americans who need them, and then stealing their pension money. Don’t give me those transparent, antiAmerican lies, you fascist pig.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amNachos of Justice
Businesses aren’t charities. They hire as many people as they need and pay them what they can get away with. They aren’t in it for their workers buddy.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amA hungry mob is an angry mob…
Although Cons love to promote social Darwinism, the shortsightedness of the entire way we have dealt with poverty in America will continue to cause problems for society at large until it is properly addressed.
Simply stating they all should just get jobs (what with all the manufacturing jobs we have available/snark) is a narrow-minded, dismissive sentiment that does not address the underlying issues of poverty.
Poverty is a symptom of general inequality, and while there will always be “bad apples” in ANY group (the bad apple CEO’s probably doing this country MUCH MUCH more harm by defrauding employees, exporting jobs etc.) the plight of the poor is not a simple question of laziness. Only the intellectually lazy would assert so.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:44 amIt makes people believe they have a RIGHT to it.
Can you imagine, people believing they have a right to eat! lostcosts, I believe you have good intentions but everyone in this world has a right to eat. We live in a society where the majority of people can afford so much food that plenty gets wasted (not to mention the widening girth of North Americans) and yet you lash out at poor people for believing they have a right to eat.
I can’t give you an answer to preventing the lazy dipshits from taking advantage but holding back food to all the others because of them is not humane.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:44 amhey, wrongo, you must be done blowing your dog. go get a job, pansy.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:45 amronjazz,
You contempt for capitalism reminds me of a favotite Churchill quote (not Ward Churchill):
“Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.”
- Winston Churchill
August 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amRonjazz-
How am I not a Christian? I give to charitable donations all the time. There is a girls club in my town that has received quite of lot of my talents as video producer as well as my money.
The purpose of the club is to help underprivelage, mostly of single parent girls get a better education and go to college. Instead of following the entitlement trend of having a baby as a baby and relying on gov’t to take care of them.
You see gov’t is NOT the answer. Citizens can and will help each other but we expect something in return unlike the gov’t keeping them down by allowing them to be lazy. Hard work, good attitude and personal betterment is what we ask. Get yourself out the poverty and entitlement programs.
Is that Christian enough for you? Also, Ronjazz…don’t like the personal attack. We are here to discuss the topic.
How have you helped outside of paying taxes?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amSharon - We finally found a point on which we can agree - the hemorraghing of finite resources due to unsecured borders and illegal immigration. San Diegans have known this fact for a LONG time.
The two issues which will sink Dems in ‘08? National Sevurity and Illegal Immigration. (The last time I loooked, mayors of “Sanctuary Cities” were Dems….)
August 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amNachos of Justice
Businesses aren’t charities. They hire as many people as they need and pay them what they can get away with. They aren’t in it for their workers buddy.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 14, 2007 @
Case in point Wells Fargo fired its whole janitorial staff making $12.00 an hour with benefits not great money but good and hired a whole new staff making minimum wage without benefits. Is this the example of creating jobs? They need to pass legislation to allow workers to unionize again without the threat of being fired.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amGreat reference quote Ringo. How true!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:47 amI’m glad that you and your children made it through.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Thank you, Nachos. There was never a doubt. :)
The problem with eliminating food stamps and paying cash directly, is that some people would not use the money for food.
Also, many people do not have dirt available for growing their own food. Or they’re working too many hours to tend a garden. Should growing one’s own food be encouraged? You bet.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:47 amvaliant venus,
I don’t think ronjazz is a very happy person.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:47 amLostcosts
My response to your Rome theory got lost somewhere in the system: So here is goes again.
Rome fell because it became increasingly racist in its outlook, mistreating the peoples on its borders until finally those peoples had enough and rebelled. The fall was further ensured, by a weak unitary executive (The emperor) not being secure enough to keep able advisors around him, a Church which termed the sackings of the outlying provinces “God’s will” and a decline in Roman scientific advances which allowed Rome’s surrounding people’s to catch up with Rome’s initial scientific superiority.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:48 amRingo, no on is against capitalism but unbridled capitalism left unregulated exploits people plain and simple. Time after time this happens this is simply what happens when you take capitalism off its leash it is so profit driven that the is the bottom line. See Matel’s toy recall in china using lead based paint for god’s sake on childrens toys as a prime example.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amDear Lost - Funny, Progs hate business but where would they be if they had no tax revenue from those businesses, administrators and employees?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amI give to charitable donations all the time. There is a girls club in my town that has received quite of lot of my talents as video producer as well as my money.
Comment by lostcause — August 14, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Sure! Now what’s the REAL reason you hang out at the “local girls club”?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amWhy do I have this disgusting feeling that had you given us your real name, you might be on a government registry somewhere.
Could lostcosts be Daryll’s cousin?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amMy contempt for capitalism is the same as my contempt for communism. When it’s abused, as it is in this country, it leads to inequality, destruction of the infrastructure, an out-of-touch “entitled” class of super-rich charlatans, and a weakening of the country. Just as it is today in the former USA. If you weren’t so busy downloading kiddy porn, you might have time to study some history and economics instead of quoting some simple-minded bull from 75 years ago. My contempt is reserved for ignorant, greedy, selfish, uAmerican pigs, known hereabouts as Republicans, the world’s biggest terrorists. You’re such an ignorant, easily-led tool.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amComment by Bruce Gorton — August 14, 2007 @ 11:43 am
If you want to engage in pushiness, then you should leave the thread. Take it elsewhere.
If I was a small business owner with the min. wage set at $15.00 per hour, how many workers could I hope to hire? Probably not many. How many hours could I afford to give them. Probably not many. The point is that businessess have the freedom to organize as they choose. They create much of the nation’s jobs.
There are many things that businesses have to pay for these days — taxes, operating costs, legal services, high-quality leadership, etc., etc. Having money is one thing. Allocating the money effectively is the challenge.
Advocate a minimum wage on a sliding scale — one for small businessess and one for businessess with larger assets — then come back.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:51 amCase in point Wells Fargo fired its whole janitorial staff making $12.00 an hour with benefits not great money but good and hired a whole new staff making minimum wage without benefits.
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Comment by Chad — August 14, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Thanks for that information, Chad. I’ll move my accounts as soon as I get home.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:52 amMy contempt is reserved for ignorant, greedy, selfish, uAmerican pigs, known hereabouts as Republicans, the world’s biggest terrorists. You’re such an ignorant, easily-led tool.
Comment by ronjazz
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You’re getting yourself all worked up again.
I think you need a time-out.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:53 amTweedster-
If you would reread what I said. Those who truly need help will get it. There would be no shortfall if those would could and would work would do so. There are plenty of jobs out there. If I can find plenty of jobs that require only a high school diploma then why not those who can work and provide.
It is not rocket science. There are plenty of programs to help those that truly want to help themselves.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:54 amSpeaking of hate and discontent……Hello, Mighty Valiant Hag.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:54 amRonjazz-
You need to take your Christian viewpoints and look in the mirror.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:55 amBruce - Thank you!!!! I never knew ancient Rome could have benefitted from humanist theory and sensitivity/diversity training…..Silly me - I thought Rome imploded under the weight of their imperialism, tax burden and immorality.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amvaliant venus
We don’t hate business. We recognise that the main purpose of a business is to maximise its profits, and we recognise that there are bad people in the world. Some of them own businesses.
Thus, like most laws on the books, laws governing business need to exist not because the majority is bad, but to protect the majority from the minority who are.
Oh, and even a good business man isn’t a saint. He wants a profit.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amYou see gov’t is NOT the answer. Citizens can and will help each other but we expect something in return unlike the gov’t keeping them down by allowing them to be lazy.
It used to be, back in the Gilded Age, that citizens who had amassed large fortunes would give back to society. They helped pay for much of the infrastructure and many other things. They were generally citizens that had little to begin with but knew the value of giving back and doing so generously. Today, in the new Information Gilded Age, citizens amass large fortunes from entities that do little to help society. Dot Com millionaires as an example. These citizens are not giving back in the same manner as in the Gilded Age. Yes, people like Gates and Buffet do give money but guess what, alot of their money goes to very good causes that aren’t at ‘home’.
It’s not the government keeping these people down, it’s the people running the government that are keeping these people down. Counting on the rich to help the poor is old school and not working in any sense.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amGreat reference quote Ringo. How true!
Comment by lostcosts
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Oh I got a million of ‘em….
“We do not hear the term “compassionate” applied to business executives or entrepreneurs, certainly not when they are engaged in their normal work. Yet in terms of results in the measurable form of jobs created, lives enriched, communities built, living standards raised, and poverty healed, a handful of capitalists has done infinitely more for mankind than all the self-serving politicians, academics, social workers, and religionists who march under the banner of “compassion”.
- Nathaniel Branden
August 14th, 2007 at 11:58 amComment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Oh. Well, then perhaps a limited grocery-store debit card (in a partnership with Visa/Mastercard) would do the trick, where the government could keep track of items on the receipts/monitor statements.
I would also encourage the government to offer help in paying for gardening materials. The person in need can use the system in combination, as long as it remains cost-effective.
I’m not for eliminating aid programs, I’m wondering how the nation can pay for everything at once. Balance and restraint is a constant struggle.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:58 am“Speaking of hate and discontent……Hello, Mighty Valiant Hag.”
Comment by Zooey
She was coronated “queen of rehab.”
Bow down, you peasants!
August 14th, 2007 at 11:59 amRonjazz - Le(f)t me guess….You quote “A Peoples’ History of the United States” by one of my favourite Leftist apologists, Howard Zinn, on a regular basis…..Allow me to compliment you…you wear the “victim” mantle well!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“I would also encourage the government to offer help in paying for gardening materials.”
And a large supply of bootstraps…
August 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“Advocate a minimum wage on a sliding scale — one for small businessess and one for businessess with larger assets — then come back.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 11:51 am”
Advocating a maximum wage for robber barons would be much more effective.
“It is not rocket science. There are plenty of programs to help those that truly want to help themselves.
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:54 am”
Not any more, you moron. You have no knowledge of the decimation of the social protections wrought by the traitors in charge.
“You need to take your Christian viewpoints and look in the mirror.
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:55 am”
Bullshit, again. Christ’s precepts, starting with throwing the greedmongers out of the temple, begin and end with help the less fortunate, not screw the worker. Your twisted take on Christianity gives you all manner of excuses for your greed and hatred.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pmDRxJ-
Comments like that are uncalled for!
You see, you help and no matter what you do there is another, alternative motivation hatched up by the left wing enablers.
Don’t you think gov’t actually uses that plan to keep you down?
Now, go help someone DRxJ and get some civility while you are at it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pm1. What jobs are these people supposed to be working? If you believe the “official” employment figures (~4.6%) I have a bridge I can sell you at a great price. THERE ARE NO JOBS!!!! Not at any pay rate, minimum or otherwise!
2. lowcost doesn’t want people drawing benefits on his dime. This is the MOST selfish generation this country has ever spawned. It’s all about ME, ME, ME and TO HELL with everybody else. A country like that deserves to fall.
3. Those who truly need help are NOT getting it. The neoconservatives have mad damn sure of that. The social safety net in this country is in tatters. Why? See #2 above.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pmBarfly - You must be devastated….did “Dads” really burn down? You’ll just have to find a new dive to lurk in…..
August 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pmFairness is not treating everyone the same it is treating everyone based on their needs. Giving taxbreaks to the top 1% that safe them on average 500,000 a year eventually let to cuts in education and social services. This was the result of Bush’s tax cutes in 2004 and 2006 that he is now trying to make permanent. Now he wants more accountability for schools achieving NCLB when he cuts funds.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI am in the food business, and I am licensed to accept food stamps, mostly handled through EBT cards nowadays.
The USDA is constantly sending me flyers encouraging me to promote foods stamps through my business. I am encouraged to attempt to identify people who appear to be having trouble purchasing food and urge them to apply for food stamp benefits.
There are commercials on the radio in my area promoting food stamp benefits and usage.
At the same time, about every third business has a “help wanted” sign in the window. New businessess are coming to town all the time, and fighting for the existing labor resources, which are already tight.
Fast food jobs are paying $7-$8 per hour.
Personally, I feel that if folks are simply not going to take the time or effort to apply for benefits they are legally entitled to, that isn’t societies problem.
When folks who have a 32 inch television, DirecTV, an Xbox 360, and a nice new car in the driveway are talking about not having enough food to eat, I find the argument fairly disingenuous.
In the U.S.A., we may not know how to prioritize, but we also do not know what real poverty is.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmvaliant venus
Ancient Rome, initially rose to prominence because it provided a safe haven to exiles from other city states. This led to Rome gaining a technological edge over its enemies, which then led to it conquoring them.
It invented the concept of citizenship, which allowed immigrants to gain equal rights to Rome’s highly cosmipolitan population.
However, by the time of Rome’s fall these immigrants had a distinctly secondary standing to “Real” Romans. They were used as cannon fodder in the army, and then treat like dirt after leaving it.
Further, up until Rome converted to Christianity, it was comparitively highly tolerant of other religions, accepting other gods so long as people prayed to Rome’s gods too.
Contrasted with the Christian religions rather bleak view of opposing doctrines, it could be argued that Christianity itself was a major contributor to Rome’s downfall - as the gods people worshipped became an ever more divisive issue.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmNathaniel Brandon? A bigger nobody than wrongo, and obviously home-schooled. next you’ll quote your hero Hitler.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“I’m not for eliminating aid programs, I’m wondering how the nation can pay for everything at once. Balance and restraint is a constant struggle.”
Comment by Nachos of Justice
Hello? Ten billion a month wasted on a war of choice?
Are you for defense-contractor welfare?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThe Romans lead pipe water supply system didn’t help the ruling class, either.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWal-Mart has a sale on mattel toys today……
RonJazz-
So God does not want me to work hard, feed myself, provide for my family and help those who help themselves.
He wants me to spew hate! Left wingers are the ones throwing Christ out of the temple!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 11:58 am
My state currently has a type of debit card system, instead of paper food stamps. It seems to work well, and doesn’t make the user stand out in a crowd — and more difficult to sell for cash.
The credit card companies are making enough money off the poor, don’t you think?
You’re not for eliminating aid programs, but would you be for eliminating corporate welfare? That could pay for all the programs the people need.
Balance and restraint are good. We should restrain ourselves from invading countries who have done us no harm and who have not asked for our assistance.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:05 pmComment by ronjazz — August 14, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
There shouldn’t be a maximum wage. I’ll compromise in giving shareholders the vote in executive compensation and strengthening the integrity of the nations board of directors, that’s about it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmBarfly-
A war both left, right and independent endorsed!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmNachos of Justice-
I agree with you on number 105
August 14th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“did “Dads†really burn down?”
Hodad’s?
I didn’t hear about it.
Did they finally fix that nervous twitch at rehab?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI’m wondering how the nation can pay for everything at once. Balance and restraint is a constant struggle.
Comment by Nachos of Justice
IMHO, we should not spend one dime on foreign aid to another country while even one of our citizens is homeless, jobless or struggling to feed their children.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pmClean up our own backyard before trying to clean up the neighborhood, so to speak.
Comment by barfly — August 14, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
If they’re doing a good job, I wouldn’t mind their services on the taxpayer dollar for the time being.
Do you believe there to be too many contractors in Iraq?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pmChad-
Look back at what I read. I am against corporate bail out too. The fed should not subsidize the loss.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pmNow, go help someone DRxJ and get some civility while you are at it.
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
You first, lostcosts. This is you at #1:
Seems you set the tone for the thread, doesn’t it?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pmRonjazz - Le(f)t me guess….You quote “A Peoples’ History of the United States†by one of my favourite Leftist apologists, Howard Zinn, on a regular basis…..Allow me to compliment you…you wear the “victim†mantle well!
Comment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
I have done nothing of the kind. That’s your usual fact-free lies. Don’t you have anything but hate and greed? What an empty life you rightards lead. But go to your rightwing books written by corporate stooges, and keep screwing people until they take your head. Won’t matter, you’re not using it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm#95 - PAL - Conservatives are NOT against helping people in need. It has been documented we contribute more to secualr and faith-based charities than liberals. (In classic lib fashion, progs DEPEND on the government to distribute their “charitable” tax contributions.) We ARE against setting up (into perpetutity) a dependent underclass, which is a goal of progs. Conservatives want every one to improve their lives. Progs want government to provide a an ever flowing teat…
August 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm“When folks who have a 32 inch television, DirecTV, an Xbox 360, and a nice new car in the driveway are talking about not having enough food to eat, I find the argument fairly disingenuous.”
O. Bigfoot
You now what they buy those things usually on credit which they never should have been approved for just to try to the middle class items that every commerical says you need to have to try to show that you belong. That is parent that though the can’t give their child everything decided to once give her kid a xbox. To use that against them as an example of how the are not “good enough” that they are inherently flawed. Is what society tells them everyday. Try not eating one day. Try not having a job and be able to provide for your family for a week see how you feel. See how far your self esteem falls. Then think that if then given a chance to buy something nice for your family if you might even though you know you can’t afford it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pmComment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Thank you.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:11 pmChad-
Look back at what I read. I am against corporate bail out too. The fed should not subsidize the loss.
Comment by lostcosts — August
August 14th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI apologize I was typing that before you posted.
“1. What jobs are these people supposed to be working? If you believe the “official†employment figures (~4.6%) I have a bridge I can sell you at a great price. THERE ARE NO JOBS!!!! Not at any pay rate, minimum or otherwise!
2. lowcost doesn’t want people drawing benefits on his dime. This is the MOST selfish generation this country has ever spawned. It’s all about ME, ME, ME and TO HELL with everybody else. A country like that deserves to fall.
3. Those who truly need help are NOT getting it. The neoconservatives have mad damn sure of that. The social safety net in this country is in tatters. Why? See #2 above.
Comment by Proud American Liberal — August 14, 2007 @ 12:02 pm”
What a load of pure bullcrap. If you believe any of the drivel you are spouting, you must not actually live in the United States, you are just getting your information from reading liberal blogs.
You are attempting to play into class-envy that doesn’t actually exist, and playing to a public that doesn’t believe you anymore.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“A war both left, right and independent endorsed!”
Comment by lostcosts
And those thousands of people marching with signs and chanting before the war were just out for a stroll?
You cannot whine about the costs of welfare while endorsing the boondoggle in the sand. That’s hypocritical, and intellectually corrupt. The military has admitted they lost weapons and billions of dollars - if the welfare system were run in such a manner, you’d be here screaming your bloody head off.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
However, the more highly taxed blue states have lower poverty levels, leading on to the conclusion that much as though you conservatives claim to give more; liberals give more effectively.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by Wayne — August 14, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Wayne, I couldn’t agree more. As a conservative, I do agree with what you are saying.
I’ve always appreciated your restraint on matters pertinent to foreign aid. America has to cover its own claims first.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThere shouldn’t be a maximum wage. I’ll compromise in giving shareholders the vote in executive compensation and strengthening the integrity of the nations board of directors, that’s about it.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
There should most certainly be a maximum wage, based on a reasonable multiple of the lowest-paid workers salaries. If an owner wants more, he merely needs to raise the worker’s pay. the economy would take off like it never has in history, as workers could afford the products and services of their own labor, and the rich would still be plenty rich. Since when is it fine that some have more money than could be spent in several lifetimes while others choose between medication and food? That sounds like North Korea to me. Justifying greed is a republican, rightwing, hateful trait.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Do you believe there to be too many contractors in Iraq?”
Comment by Nachos of Justice
That was a rhetorical question, right? A “contractor” here in Duncan Hunter’s district, has been taking goverment boodle for decades for a jet that has never successfully flown. But the contractor has shoveled Hunter thousands in donations, both by him and his (taxpayer funded) “employees.”
Ask MA about it.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:18 pmConservatives want every one to improve their lives. Progs want government to provide a an ever flowing teat…
Comment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
right, that’s why conservatives are so eager to increase the minimum wage to keep up with the cost of living. You are a liar.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWayne
America isn’t particularly generous when it comes to aid. What you need is to recognise that for every service government provides, needs to be paid for.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmYou are attempting to play into class-envy that doesn’t actually exist, and playing to a public that doesn’t believe you anymore.
Comment by o. bigfoot — August 14, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
thanks for ‘06. Your ignorance is only outweighed by your rank stupidity.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmYou are attempting to play into class-envy that doesn’t actually exist, and playing to a public that doesn’t believe you anymore.
Comment by o. bigfoot — August 14, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Ummm so High school history textbooks pushing the rags to riches stories of Carnegie and Rockefeller is not attempting to say there is not class divide even though reality is that those were only two people among millions of immigrants who didn’t make it who remained poor. High schools program who from the beginning to not notice class that it doesn’t exist when it does it not try this experiment. Wait at a green light and if the car ahead of you is a Lexus and doesn’t go how long does it take you to honk now how long does it take if that car is a metro?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
You support the war in Iraq, even though you know they did not attack us, because they needed our “assistance.”
That is not covering our own claims first.
Have you changed your position regarding the war in Iraq?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pmI suspect by reading the conservative point of view on this thread that there are many who see the food stamp program as a huge luxury for people who haven’t earned it, and to disincent people from working harder to do better financially. It isn’t. It’s a bare minimum to keep people from going hungry. The average food stamp benefit per person per week is $21. That’s $3 a day, or $1 per meal.
When the food stamp program started, it was intended to supplement the food budgets of poor people. Now that rent and health care are taking larger and larger chunks out of family budgets, food stamps are often the ONLY food budget a poor family has.
Last May, four Congresspeople (three Dems, one Repub) took on a food stamp challenge. For one week, they would live on $21 a week for food ($42 if their spouse joined them in the challenge). As part of the challenge, they were not to touch the constant supply of free catered food members of Congress frequently encounter, but only eat what they were able to purchase from their $21 allowance.
It wasn’t easy, and it left the participants with a greater appreciation of what it’s like to eat on such a stringent budget. You can read their stories here:
http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/
It’s difficult to imagine that anyone would be content to live like this indefinitely. There’s still plenty of motivation to work for better jobs and a better lifestyle.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:20 pmChad- Thank you for explaining ghetto economoic mindset - I knew society was to blame!!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:21 pm…
There is a girls club in my town that has received quite of lot of my talents as video producer as well as my money.
Comment by lostcause — August 14, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Sure! Now what’s the REAL reason you hang out at the “local girls club�
Why do I have this disgusting feeling that had you given us your real name, you might be on a government registry somewhere.
Comment by DRxJ — August 14, 2007 @ 11:50 am
oh my gawd… my first thought when reading “girl’s club… video”…
August 14th, 2007 at 12:21 pmthat was rich, indeed…
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Comment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
My state currently has a type of debit card system, instead of paper food stamps. It seems to work well, and doesn’t make the user stand out in a crowd — and more difficult to sell for cash.
Good. Then perhaps the federal government and other states could take notice.
The credit card companies are making enough money off the poor, don’t you think?
Well, the whole Visa/Mastercard suggestion was just to serve as a feeder-path of ideas. The government certainly wouldn’t need to corporatize the system. They could consult with lesser-known companies to get started.
You’re not for eliminating aid programs, but would you be for eliminating corporate welfare? That could pay for all the programs the people need.
Maybe, but I say that because I’m not fond of “corporate welfare.” Could you give me a specific example? Do tax cuts fall into that category?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:22 pmLady Z #104 great post as alway’s…The big one every one here seemed to miss…Walt’s post about our military…Their pay, benefit’s both during service and after, their lack of decent medical care and the horrible fact many have to use food stamp’s to survive is apalling…..The present administration has almost distroyed our country and indeed the world while they have shuffled pallot’s of cash to their ilk…Blessings all…Must go hug some tree’s before I bomb my computer..
August 14th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI knew society was to blame!!
Comment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
You’re right, Haggie. Thanks for seeing the light.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDid it hurt when your heart grew in?
“You now what they buy those things usually on credit which they never should have been approved for just to try to the middle class items that every commerical says you need to have to try to show that you belong. That is parent that though the can’t give their child everything decided to once give her kid a xbox. To use that against them as an example of how the are not “good enough†that they are inherently flawed. Is what society tells them everyday. Try not eating one day. Try not having a job and be able to provide for your family for a week see how you feel. See how far your self esteem falls. Then think that if then given a chance to buy something nice for your family if you might even though you know you can’t afford it.
Comment by Chad — August 14, 2007 @ 12:10 pm”
No, try buying food instead of an XBox 360 and a load of $40 a pop games. Get priorities straight. It’s the individuals responsibility to take care of themselves and their families. Taking care of basic needs comes first.
In the United States, we do not know what poverty is.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:26 pmHere’s a better link on the Congressional Food Stamp Challenge:
http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/index.html
August 14th, 2007 at 12:26 pmkaty, I thought that was a tad wierd, that he hangs out at a girls club, and helps out by making videos… Kind of a creepy way to help out???
August 14th, 2007 at 12:26 pmIn the United States, we do not know what poverty is.
Comment by o.stinkybigfeet — August 14, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Dumbest.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmPost.
EVER!
In the United States, we do not know what poverty is.
Comment by o. bigfoot
Speak for yourself, or at the very least your particular demographic.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pmI observe crushing poverty daily in my particular neighborhood.
In the United States, we do not know what poverty is.
Comment by o. bigfoot — August 14, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Really seen New Orleans lately even before the hurricane it was the essence of poverty.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#133 — Hey, Great Lady. I saw Walt’s post and agree wholeheartedly. I’m glad my ex and I didn’t have children while he was in the military — it would have been very difficult.
Give them time, Sharon! Maybe they’ll finally get the country destroyed in time to cancel the elections! :-D
Hug that big cedar for me, will you? I’ll be on the road in a couple hours. Much as I love Portland, my little town is calling me back. :)
August 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmIn the United States, we do not know what poverty is.
Comment by o.stinkybigfeet — August 14, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Really seen New Orleans lately it wasn’t that great before the hurricane.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmkaty,
also notice lostlobos says that the girls have received quite alot of his “talents”
Way too many innuendos with that post just to let it slide.
…and creepy is right, RUCerious.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:29 pmoh oh, bigfoot in mouth…
August 14th, 2007 at 12:30 pmAgain, I don’t mind helping those who help themselve and actually NEED help. Not those using the system to live off of me.
Comment by lostcosts — August 14, 2007 @ 11:28 am
I’m certain you’re one of those who shoots his mouth off about how much you “Support The Troops” when the subject turns to war.
Well, Mr. Lost Cause, can you take a guess on how many military families depend on Food Stamps and other “Entitlement” programs just to survive???
But, hey, those spouses who are left behind to take care of their families……They should get out there and sign up immediately for one of those minimum wage jobs, right??? They’re able, why shouldn’t they be working. Those lost little children at home should suck it up and realize how lucky they are to have one parent facing death every day and the other struggling to keep the family together.
You gutless F*&*!!!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:30 pmRonjazz - Your knowledge of business is fascinating. Please share with the rest of the class your history of business successes.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:30 pmDon’t believe their is a class divide see what economic class got most of the deferrments from Vietnam. Then look at the current white house not one person served from that administration.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI knew society was to blame!!
Comment by valiant venus — August 14, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
And everyone’s favorite rhetorical punching bag is back!!
Do yourself a favor, Mitey Coprolite: stay away from any topic involving real life, because you have little or no experience with it.
You are better at fantasy-land type of tripe, like your cartoonish liberal “friends”, your lawyering skills, and your family life.
On the other hand, you do provide material for the occasional belly laugh with your silly rants..
August 14th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“thanks for ‘06. Your ignorance is only outweighed by your rank stupidity.
Comment by ronjazz — August 14, 2007 @ 12:19 pm”
Really? I figure you for the “useful idiot”.
The evidence is all around you, yet you choose to ignore it. That’s not ingnorance, that’s stupidity.
That you wish to live in a state of envy, fear, and despair is entirely up to you, and not my problem in the least.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“Please share with the rest of the class…”
Comment by valiant venus
Tough letting go of the rehab patterns, ain’t it?
August 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pmvaliant venus
It is certainly deeper then your knowledge of law.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:32 pmDo tax cuts fall into that category?
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 14, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Yes. Specifically tax cuts for the “base.”
Sorry, I don’t have time to find specific examples of corporate welfare abuse — I have to get ready to get on the road. You’re not a fan of corporate welfare anyway, right?
Good discussion today, Nachos. I appreciate it. :)
August 14th, 2007 at 12:33 pmRUCerious-
Shows where your mind is!
The reason why people don’t want to help. I am a video producer. I don’t make videos at the girls club. If you did not go to a gov’t school you may have read that a little better.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmLook at where the majority of military recruiters are stationed in low income areas now offering over $20,000 to 40,000 tax free bonuses if you can survive Iraq. The societal cost is some families are left without a mother without a father, brother, sister or some come back on permanent disability and get to deal with the lovely VA.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmComment by Zooey — August 14, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
In this case, I was speaking of foreign aid in logistical terms — food, medicine, shelter, electricity, etc. — and not DoD matters.
I’m starting to decline bringing up my views on Iraq, because they tend to cause alot of “keyboard frustration” with commenters, and the posts, I’ve seen, can exceed 200+ while I attempt over and over to keep all of the balls in the air. The usual result is allowing my emotions to get the better of me.
I will repeat, however, that every good plan can change, can evolve, and that there will have to be much more cooperation by the Iraqis and a squashing of insurgents directly to make a better impact. The U.S. can alternate its plans and see an improvement, but we will have to be careful on how we leave and how we stay.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:36 pmTough letting go of the rehab patterns, ain’t it?
Comment by Raven — August 14, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
valiant venus
It is certainly deeper then your knowledge of law.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 14, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
The Mighty Haggie loves us soooo much, she just can’t stay away for long!!
Guys, let me know if she tells another funny dead kid story, ok? :D
Toooooodles!!!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“Really seen New Orleans lately it wasn’t that great before the hurricane.
Comment by chad — August 14, 2007 @ 12:29 pm”
Well, you just stepped in it, chad. I lived in New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina. My 10 year old son was born there, in a hospital that no longer exists because of Katrina.
New Orleans didn’t know real poverty then, and doesn’t know real poverty now.
You are either misinformed out of lack of experience, or merely attempting to pull the wool over our eyes. Won’t work with me, I was there.
Ever been to Mexico, chad? And I don’t mean Tijuana, Puerto Vallarta, or the other tourist areas. I mean Mexico.
August 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pmNo, try buying food instead of an XBox 360 and a load of $40 a pop games.
Try going around to those households that need food stamps and see how many of them own brand new Xbox 360 and loads of $40 games.
Ignorance is bliss isn’t it bigfoot!
August 14th, 2007 at 12:40 pm