Army suicide rate highest in 26 years.
By on Aug 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Army suicide rate highest in 26 years.
“Army soldiers committed suicide last year at the highest rate in 26 years, and more than a quarter did so while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new military report” obtained by the Associated Press. “There were 99 confirmed suicides among active duty soldiers during 2006, up from 88 the previous year and the highest number since the 102 suicides in 1991 at the time of the Persian Gulf War.” Those 99 suicides “amounted to a rate of 17.3 per 100,000 — the highest in the past 26 years,” where the average was 12.3 per 100,000.
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Of course it is, because they LOVE GEORGE, THE DUMBYA SO MUCH.
It’s their “funny” way of thanking him.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:11 pmmandolin
Sorry there dipsh*t,
August 15th, 2007 at 11:12 pmWe don’t ‘celebrate’ your milestones.
This is terrible, but Bush does not care. He uses soldiers as cannon fodder to control OIL interests throughout the world.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pmmandolin > I am serious. Bush cares NOTHING for the soldiers.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWatch this you’ll know why
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o10naVkCmQc
August 15th, 2007 at 11:20 pmi have to agree with you Jay to an extent. Bush care about the troops.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:22 pmHe cares about having as many troops as possibe going into Iraq, at least until 2009..
hmmmmmm.. I wonder how April, the real surge deadline will play out…
August 15th, 2007 at 11:23 pmold hack-did you make that?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:24 pmMy cousin was one of those who committed suicide.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:29 pmomment by mandolin — August 15, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
you know i usually post the whole comment, but in your case, it’s just not worth it, This is the last time i will post to or from you..
August 15th, 2007 at 11:30 pmEgg-OMG!! for real? I am so sorry for you?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pmdo you know what Reike is?
Shamdolin:
No one here celebrates death but the trolls. That’s our basic difference. Human lives are not a commodity – not to be traded for oil or expended for commerce. Renewable yes, but replacable no. The world is diminsihed when someone dies. Remember that. Do not accuse us here of celebrating death. We don’t advocate for war, or guns, or class warfare, or industry uber alles. The only thing I ask of trolls is to pose a realistic counterposition. Anything else compromises your position. what do you think? That you’re going to change minds with inflammatory BS? Come with an original viewpoint or don’t come at all.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#1 I guess all of you at TP will be celebrating this news.
Comment by mandolin
Why on Gods earth do you think anyone would WANT to celebrate this? The treatment our military receives is pathetic… it was unheard of to serve 2 or 3 tours in the combat theater… now some serve 4 maybe 5 and with minimal breaks in between. This suicide rate IS directly proportional the the disgusting abuse coming from the decider. The WH could give a sh!t about the military…just so they can exploit them in photo ops, use them as political and war profiteer pawns
August 15th, 2007 at 11:37 pmEgg-OMG!! for real? I am so sorry for you?
do you know what Reike is?
Comment by whiteyfresh — August 15, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Fresh,
It is true that my cousin committed suicide after returning from Iraq. And while it was sad, it must be said that I did not really know my cousin at all though I knew his father a bit. My grandfather remarried and moved across the country so I didn’t know that branch of the family very well.
By reike, are you referring to Reiki? I have heard of this practice but don’r know much about it.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 pmTypical Defeatocrat = Egreggious
August 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmThat’s cause we allow liberal and gay soldiers. They have to be weeded out, so it’s for the best.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmThat’s cause we allow liberal and gay soldiers. They have to be weeded out, so it’s for the best.
Comment by firehead — August 15, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Wow.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmMatt ate Nico
Sounds nonpartisan to me
Comment by mandolin
I’m only interested if Nico is a chick…
August 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amthe suicides know that what they are doing ( Murdering Iraqis In Order to Steal Their Oil ) is really really really wrong, immoral and a War Crime.
too bad they didn’t go for CO status or head to canada ….
August 16th, 2007 at 12:02 amtoo bad they didn’t go for CO status or head to canada ….
Comment by Got Oil ?
Yes but this wouldn’t make as loud of a statement as killing oneself, which is just horrible.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:05 amF*ing trolls.
I – one of many – am damn glad you fools are not in the services or a position of power.
You are sick, sick humans and need to die from DU or some f-ing disease.
Screw you little shits.
I look forward to IPV6 and a long shank screwdriver.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:08 amMandolin is just another projectionist folks. Projecting its untrue, and in this case, sociopathic, imagination upon others.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:20 amDemoralized elite West Point graduates are leaving the army at the fastest clip in 30 years. Desertions are rapidly rising. A friend, a US Marine officer who served in combat in Vietnam, recently wrote to me that his son’s Marine unit, currently training for its third deployment to Iraq in September, is short 12-16 men in every platoon and expects to be hit with more AWOLs prior to deployment. -Paul Craig Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan
August 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amDemoralized elite West Point graduates are leaving the army at the fastest clip in 30 years. Desertions are rapidly rising. A friend, a US Marine officer who served in combat in Vietnam, recently wrote to me that his son’s Marine unit, currently training for its third deployment to Iraq in September, is short 12-16 men in every platoon and expects to be hit with more AWOLs prior to deployment. -PC Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Ronald Reagan
August 16th, 2007 at 12:26 amArmy suicide rate highest in 26 years!
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 16, 2007 @ 12:15 am
That’s just your particular sickness, dingleberry.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amOops, my bad, sorry for the repeat post. =(
August 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amBush has nearly destroyed our military, and in doing so has made us more vulnerable than we have been in a century. In a way, this will force the next administration, which fortunately will be sane, unless the GOP steals another election, to be more civilized, utilize diplomacy, and stop murdering thousands of people for sociopathic, greedy reasons. that will be a return to the true American values that Bush and his followers have trashed and laid to waste. The fact that the suicide rate is so high ast this point can only be laid at the feet of the Deserter-In-Chief; that’s where the buck stops. Any other excuse is a cowardly, partisan lie, and brands the idiot who makes such excuses as a supporter of Al Qaeda, as Bush and Cheney are.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:28 amArmy suicide rate highest in 26 years!
Comment by Dr. Dog
Why would you put an exclamation point behind that? Are you happy that people commit suicide?
The fact is we discussed this subject weeks ago with Paul (R) and disproved his theory (its normal) on troops that committed suicide.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:30 amZPE
I am waiting for the time when MOST of the military have had enough and refuse to do the deciders crap. Isn’t that one of the reasons Vietnam came to an end?
August 16th, 2007 at 12:39 amHi Ick. How’s it going?
August 16th, 2007 at 12:44 am#1 Real classy, mandolin, real classy. It’s a straw man and a projection in one.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:59 amThe trolls are here to celebrate the news that there mannish boy president has finally had his revenge on the military. they’re so pissed at being too cowardly to join that they are cheering the news that soldiers are taking their own lives at nearly unprecedented rates. This shows the true depth of their depravity and hatred of all things American. this is why the GOP is done for.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:59 amBush and his morally and intellectually bankrupt supporters don’t want the truth to be known. So they have invented a cute little rhetorical gotcha: anyone who reports bad news must be celebrating it. The sheer lunacy of this notion is obvious. But it doesn’t stop puny little paper tigers like mandolin and dog and the other trolls at this site from using it again and again and again. It is both pathetic and revolting at the same time. It is the work of sheer losers.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:04 amIt’s a one track demented mind fed by hate America News talk. Instead of feeling sympathy and sorrow, it’s Bet the Libs are loving this …..slobber slobber, fart, fart, grunt.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:08 amComment by Egreggious — August 15, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
i mean no disrespect, but this post put a question to mind…
that obit states that the soldier’s father was a JROTC instructor…
a school friend of my daughter’s, same age, also committed suicide -
his father was an army recruiter… this boy didn’t want to sign up, but was pressured, as one could expect… under even more pressure, in that he was gay, but couldn’t come out – for the same obvious reasons… he got through basic, but went AWOL, hiding at his “friend”’s house… was found and jailed… before the military police came for him, he hung himself (small town jail)… very sad tale… i’m not sure his homosexuality was ever acknowledged, though his friends from school and mypage all knew… but his suicide shocked all…
i wouldn’t dare to suggest any kind of scenario in your case…
but this makes me wonder – how many of these suicides could be related to military dads… especially recruiter dads…
just wondering… suppose stats are kept on that?
sorry… hazards of the topic… nothing nice about it…
saddest thing i can think of… death as the best option…
sorry…
g’nite all…
August 16th, 2007 at 1:14 amComment by firehead
You are scum
Your comment was so sick I won’t even post it in this reply.
I guess all of you at TP will be celebrating this news.
Comment by mandolin
You are almost as sick a puke as firehead.
My cousin was one of those who committed suicide.
Comment by Egreggious
My condolences to you and your family.
He should have gotten the help that was cut by the mass denial of services to the Military Men and Women by the Bush Administration.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:24 amHere’s the link to Egg’s cousin’s information. The video is quite moving.
http://mattocks.blogspot.com/2007/06/stephen-edward-colley.html
August 16th, 2007 at 1:27 am#20 Personally I loved this comment by firehead. What greater self-condemnation could this lowlife freak possibly write? Thanks for showing us what you are all about firehead. Filthy hate-mongering scum.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:28 amAs for firehead, I would be happy to bet that a considerable number of those suicides were Republicans, put under intense pressures by their chickenhawk buddies and nationalistic families. His remark is boringly typical of the kind of coward that supports Bush, the most backwards, ignorant POS to ever occupy the White House with a fake reporter/male whore.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amlooks like the ratwing trolls have thoroughly ashamed themselves for the moment.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:39 amlooks like the ratwing trolls have thoroughly ashamed themselves for the moment.
Comment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 1:39 am
Would that it were possible…..
August 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amtest….am i banned thanks mr p u lolife piece of s-h-i-t
August 16th, 2007 at 3:01 amThe flawed policy in Iraq is not worth the sacrifice of even one soldier. These statistics are tragic. We need to get our soldiers out of Iraq. The increase in violence today is a further indication of how much the civil war in Iraq has deteriorated. We can no longer win this thing.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:45 amAs for firehead, I would be happy to bet that a considerable number of those suicides were Republicans, put under intense pressures by their chickenhawk buddies and nationalistic families.
That would mean that a considerable number of non-military suicides in the U.S. were gender-confused democrats who had a lot of angst about their desire for manbutt. Im surprised you havent offed yourself yet, ronho, considering your prediliction for male flesh.
Now get back under the sink!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:41 amI think you’ve missed the point to clasifying the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists.
If they are terrorists it means the administration can say “Iran is harbouring terrorists”, so you can attack them and say its OK. (Like they said about Iraq.)
YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD
August 16th, 2007 at 6:44 amPretty Pretty Bird
You are projecting again PPB.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:03 amOh, and PPB, please stop trying to impress us with your non-sequitors and faulty logic. The fact that you are about as bright as a black hole just isn’t impressive.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:05 amSpeaking of black holes, you also resemble one. Just like a black hole, you suck everything in sight into your opening.
Now get back under the sink, ya killjoy bigot!
August 16th, 2007 at 7:24 amJust when I think I can’t be amazed anymore by the sickness of trolls, they prove me wrong. It’s sad news that Army suicides are up. The trolls can’t put a positive spin on this one. They can’t use it to prop up their usual argument about how much progress we are supposedly making in Iraq. They can’t use it to defend Bush, Cheney, or the neocons.
So the only thing they can do is to claim how happy we must all be about it.
Sick. Really sick.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:25 amTo the trolls:
If we WANTED soldiers to commit suicide, do you think we would have supported the Webb amendment? You know, the amendment that would have given soldiers a decent amount of down time between deployments? To try to stave off battle fatigue, post-traumatic stress syndrome, and other mental illnesses that lead to suicide or long-term depression?
No — it was the Repubs who killed that amendment, not us. They just want to get as much out of our fighting men and women as possible without acknowledging they are human beings. All that matters is “winning” Bushney’s war.
Don’t you DARE accuse us progressives of being the ones who don’t care about the soldiers.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:32 amPretty Pretty Bird
You are projecting yet again.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:41 amThis just proves that the Bush Administration care not one lick for our soldiers, only getting more “sound bites” that support their failed wars and hijacking more elections.
Our founding fathers would be disgusted with the current state of affairs brought about by the ultra-radical right-whining neo-cons that have done their very best to destroy the US Constitution, and over-stretch our military in wars of occupation and oil.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:46 ammissmolly
The thing that gets me with these Replublicans, is they seem to think that a good rebuttal, when all else fails, to any argument, is to accuse people of being gay.
I mean, come on, the conservative movement can’t be entirely made up of particularly retarded six year olds can it?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:49 am#64 – “I mean, come on, the conservative movement can’t be entirely made up of particularly retarded six year olds can it?” Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 7:49 am
Naw, I’m sure some of them are 5 year olds. Just look at their grammar! ;-)
August 16th, 2007 at 7:52 amLiberals only care about the troops when they can be used as a hammer against a republican administration.
Like Iraqis, minorities, homeless and the working poor, the soldiers have become just another useful constituency for the left, a convenient class of people the libs can grab onto in an effort to proclaim their righteousness, and discard just as quickly.
You can cry all you want about this suicide rate, but similar to the fate of Iraqis under the boot of Saddam, you didnt know or care to know until the data became politically useful; now you can barely contain yourself with your hyperbolic displays of concern.
Its not repub pols who equate our troops with nazis, proclaim them as terrorists or judge them guilty of war crimes on nothing more than biased innuendo.
Libs care about the troops when its politically expedient, at all other times the left considers soldiers as quaint fools who cant function in the ‘normal’ world.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:55 am#61 – Comment by missmolly — August 16, 2007 @ 7:32 am
You make a great point. When Dems complained about the non-bid government contracts that just happened to be awarded to Haliburton, the Repubs started their tired-old line of “you don’t support the troops!” and gnashing heir teeth and other such overly dramatic stuff.
When they oppose an amendment that would actually provde our service members the relief they desperately need, the Repubs just cannot bring themselves to actually stand up for our country and the men & women who are serving an dying for their failed war.
Why do Repubs hate our service members so much? Maybe, they would rather hurt our country rather than allow the Dems to passs publically supported legislation.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:56 amCons only care about our troops when they can be used as a pawn against legitimately elected Democratis majorities. Remember when the Soviet Union fell, and then-Sec. Cheney was all glad about how much he was able to reduce the size of our military? Of course you don’t, because VPres. Cheney doesn’t want ANYONE to remember that he started the whole “downsizing” of the military. It wouldn’t fit the image he wants everyone to see now-a-days.
Cons and neo-cons only look at our military as convenient pawns in the game for power. They refuse to see them as people or even as citizens. It’s the con/neo-con way of the world. Everyone is a tool to the cons/neo-cons and any other perspective is just unacceptable to them. That is why they refuse to pass legislation that would guarantee the military the rest they need to continue their war of occupation.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:01 amAlan-MT
You righties, frankly, are way, way, way to selfish and stupid to understand the concept of arguing for something because it is the right thing to do rather then because it in some way benefits the person doing the arguing.
Thus you turn to it all being about the POWER. You can’t do anything for anything other then personal gain, so you claim everything devolves down to that self interest.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:03 amWould that ‘war’ include the one occurring in Afghanistan, the illegal occupation we now conduct after deposing the legitimate government of a nation which was not a threat to the United States and never attacked us?
Thats the huge difference between conservatives and libs; libs spend their time saying “your war” and “your president” while conservatives realize that everything which happens in our nation, no matter how it is judged, is the responsibility and burden of all Americans.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:13 amAlan-MT
The Taliban was only recognised as the legitimate government of Afghanistan by four other countries.
Further, Afghanistan was a willing host to terrorist training camps and Osama Bin Laden.
Further, the war in Afghanistan, had the UN’s support.
Three primary differences between the wars just off of the top of my head.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:19 amBruce Gorton,
I hate to break it to ya…
August 16th, 2007 at 8:21 ambut… well…
you’re not all that smart.
Correction, the Taliban were only recognised by THREE states.
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:22 amYou righties, frankly, are way, way, way to selfish and stupid to understand the concept of arguing for something because it is the right thing to do rather then because it in some way benefits the person doing the arguing.
Now all you have to do is figure out who gets to be “right” when more than one option is available. I think I already know your answer to that one, considering you so quickly resorted to puerile slander to try and get your point across. “Selfish and stupid”…from the guy who made a claim about “retarded six year olds”.
Thus you turn to it all being about the POWER. You can’t do anything for anything other then personal gain, so you claim everything devolves down to that self interest.
Well your high-horse seems to be well-fed. Ill try to remember your self-sacrifice next time you give everything you own to the Salavation Army or join a charitable NGO ministering to the refugees in Darfur.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:22 amdumplings
Maybe, maybe not, but I know enough to spot bullshit.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:24 amMaybe, maybe not, but I know enough to spot bullshit.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 8:24 am
—-
Prove it.
I’ll make it easy for you. I’ve emboldened the bullshit, let’s see if you can spot it in the following comment.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:30 am
dumplings
Gee, I wonder Dumplings, whatever could have given me that impression?
August 16th, 2007 at 8:33 amI see all of my posts were deleted. I guess TP can’t handle different opinions.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:36 amNow all you have to do is figure out who gets to be “right†when more than one option is available. I think I already know your answer to that one, considering you so quickly resorted to puerile slander to try and get your point across. “Selfish and stupidâ€â€¦from the guy who made a claim about “retarded six year oldsâ€.
Then maybe you can explain to me why, to counter the scientific consensus global warming, you guys have to make stuff up to try and make it look like the scientists are motivated by self interest?
You know, like the evil UN wanting to conquor the world.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:36 amApperently you can say that Georege Bush doesn’t care about the troops but if I say TP doesn’t care about them, they delete my post. A “nonpartisan” tax exempt organization is censoring my political speech. Shame on TP
August 16th, 2007 at 8:39 amOr how about your own argument:
Like Iraqis, minorities, homeless and the working poor, the soldiers have become just another useful constituency for the left, a convenient class of people the libs can grab onto in an effort to proclaim their righteousness, and discard just as quickly.
It can’t just be that liberals don’t like having a portion of the country living in poverty, or earning so little that the country has to pick up the tab to feed them now can it?
And it certainly can’t be that liberals actually feel that soldiers should receive additional benefits for their service, what with them risking their lives for America now can it?
Nooo, it all has to be about the power. Hence, my conclusion that you just cannot bring yourself to even think, that it might be motivate by anything other then self-interest.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:39 amBruce Gorton,
Unless katy is a Republican (which she is not), it would seem that a liberal introduced the topic of homosexuality.
Not a conservative.
But hey, katy may be a retarded six year old, for all we know.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:43 amThis should be troubling, no matter which side of the war issue you fall on. War supporters should DEMAND that our soldiers get the help they need and the rest the obviously require. Even the paid trolls can’t put a spin on this.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:46 amThen maybe you can explain to me why, to counter the scientific consensus global warming, you guys have to make stuff up
Not all conservatives do that. You are showing your ignorance.
to try and make it look like the scientists are motivated by self interest?
Well, even if a scientist is motivated by a love of science, that is still self-interest.
You know, like the evil UN wanting to conquor the world.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Here you have your Leftist lies confused. You’re supposed to believe that we think the UN is lazy and ineffective.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:47 amdumplings
Katy wasn’t using “You’re gay” as a taunt, and last I checked she wasn’t on TPs staff.
Further, his comment was in reply to probus, a different poster entirely.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:49 amdumplings
Katy wasn’t using “You’re gay†as a taunt, and last I checked she wasn’t on TPs staff.
Further, his comment was in reply to probus, a different poster entirely.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 8:49 am
Who’s comment was in reply to probus?
I was referring to your sweeping generalizations about what gets you “with these Replublicans” and the whole conservative movement being made up of “entirely made up of particularly retarded six year olds.”
August 16th, 2007 at 9:00 amdumplings
Changing tac hey? Read the average troll posts by guys like Firehead, Mr Pee (In all of his incarnations), Mr Dog, Valiant Venus etc… and you will begin to see what I mean by “These Republicans.”
Then there are guys like o. Bigfoot who just repeat the same lies we got bored of countering over a year ago.
The sad fact is that the vast majority of rightwing posters on this site, are like Pretty Pretty Bird.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:11 amtesting
August 16th, 2007 at 9:14 amOh, and Dumplings, I didn’t actually accuse the whole rightwing of being particularly retarded 6 year olds. I was using hyperbole to express a point on how bad the trolls on this site really are in an argument.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:15 amHere you have your Leftist lies confused. You’re supposed to believe that we think the UN is lazy and ineffective.
Comment by dumplings
That must be you.
UN condemning US military action in NIcaragua… UN = evil.
Saddam violating UN resolutions (not like your 70+ resolutions that US has violated) UN = good.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:17 am“But it doesn’t stop puny little paper tigers like mandolin and dog and the other trolls at this site from using it again and again and again. It is both pathetic and revolting at the same time. It is the work of sheer losers.”
Actually I believe it is the work of the RNC. That is one of the “techniques” the trolls are taught in boot camp. The new technique they have been taught is to echo back to us every thing we say in order to ridicule us. And then there are their talking points, the latest of which is “genocide”.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:19 amdumplings
Changing tac hey? Read the average troll posts by guys like Firehead, Mr Pee (In all of his incarnations), Mr Dog, Valiant Venus etc… and you will begin to see what I mean by “These Republicans.â€
Then there are guys like o. Bigfoot who just repeat the same lies we got bored of countering over a year ago.
The sad fact is that the vast majority of rightwing posters on this site, are like Pretty Pretty Bird.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 9:11 am
I am not “changing tac” at all, and I don’t care about your regular trolls. You, however, have proven to be so dense that you can’t follow a simple argument.
You made a generalization about Republicans, when in fact, both liberal and conservative (troll) posts mention the factor that homosexuality might play in these suicides.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:30 amHere you have your Leftist lies confused. You’re supposed to believe that we think the UN is lazy and ineffective.
Comment by dumplings — August 16, 2007 @ 8:47 am
This is an important point, since the right wing tries to paint the UN as both a world-domination center AND lazy and ineffective. It goes to show the paucity of logic and rationale behind the hypocrisy of the right, the black & white thinking (a term used loosely when dealing with wingnuts), and the mentality of needing to win an argument at all costs rather than learning from it. dumplings is a perfect example of why Bush was allowed to steal the elections and wipe himself with the Constitution; because he “won”. It’s the same projection used by sports fans as they trash their own hometowns after “we” win The Big One. It’s mob mentality at its worst, and the mass ignorance of the easily-duped, simpleminded wingnuts is the favorite tool of the Republican corporatists. Rightards are not fully evolved yet; they’re several thousand years behind the curve. Until they catch up with the rest of humanity, they should be marginalized and watched closely. They have proven that in spades these past 6 years.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:32 amComment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 9:32 am
I have to get back to work, but I feel that I must remind you that black is white and not white at the same time!
August 16th, 2007 at 9:35 amdumplings
Except Pretty Pretty Bird wasn’t arguing over whether homosexuality caused these suicides. He was simply accusing people of being gay.
EG: Im surprised you havent offed yourself yet, ronho, considering your prediliction for male flesh.
In other words, dumplings, you have failed to follow the argument, not me.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:37 amdumplings is a perfect example of the unevolved. black is white and not-white at the same time is supposed to mean something. black is not gray, dumplings. you’re off-target again. Here’s another example of your rank hypocrisy:
You made a generalization about Republicans, when in fact, both liberal and conservative (troll) posts mention the factor that homosexuality might play in these suicides.
Comment by dumplings — August 16, 2007 @ 9:30 am
Mention? Mention is the word you used? Nice try. I don’t have to point out anything more; the wording of that statement is so perfectly Goerring-esque.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:42 amShame on TP
Comment by mandolin
Perhaps you should play the violin to accompany your laments.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:44 amYou made a generalization about Republicans, when in fact, both liberal and conservative (troll) posts mention the factor that homosexuality might play in these suicides.
Comment by dumplings — August 16, 2007 @ 9:30 am
And you just demonstrated that you can’t read.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Come on Dumplings you want to take me on come and do it.
Because frankly you have pissed me off.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:09 amLet’s see. 26 years ago would make that post-Vietnam era. Congrats Chimpy, you’ve returned the US Army back into a hollow and depressed force once again.
F*ckin’ loser.
-GSD
August 16th, 2007 at 10:14 amSaddam ignoring UN resoultions=UN good, Saddam bad.
Israel ignoring UN resolutions=Israel good, UN bad.
Chimpy world is so easy.
-GSD
August 16th, 2007 at 10:16 amLet’s see. 26 years ago would make that post-Vietnam era. Congrats Chimpy, you’ve returned the US Army back into a hollow and depressed force once again.
F*ckin’ loser.
Comment by GSD
Just like Dubya’s hero, Tricky Dick, the last total loser Repug to command a war-time Army.
I am proud that when I returned from Vietnam, I was a member of VVAW and protested to end that immoral CLusterfu(k and hope this one will be over soon. ANd that we don’t wait for the big flush of 08 to get it done!
August 16th, 2007 at 10:25 amIt’s actually DOWN compared to previous years when using the suicide rate of Americans as a whole as a baseline.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Bruce,
I wasn’t referring to that comment.
Bruce and ronjazz, I had in mind the following post by firehead (representing the trolls):
And katy’s post, which, while far more tasteful, also suggests that some of these suicides may have occurred because due to the shame and anxiety that homosexual troops must feel, and therefore katy and firehead are in agreement in a sense.
I was merely pointing out to Bruce that the observation was not a “when all else fails” Republican mud flinging. But, in fact, at least one liberal (katy) saw the validity of the argument, which she backed up with anecdotal evidence of her own.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMention? Mention is the word you used? Nice try. I don’t have to point out anything more; the wording of that statement is so perfectly Goerring-esque.
Comment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 9:42 am
I didn’t know that Goering was a fan of the word “mention.”
Hey, you learn something new everyday!
August 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Now you are cherry picking from a just one of the trolls’ posts (not to mention you already used the emboldened line as an example). However, your comment which I referred to made a generalization about all Republicans and conservatives, comparing our style of debate to that of “a retarded six year old.” Granted, Pretty Pretty Bird and others have made inappropriate comments here to get a rise out of you, but you can not take their sentiments as representative of conservatives in general. If you ask me, I would say that Pretty Pretty Bird isn’t even serious, and is probably pulling your leg. I would liken him to a stoned 23 year old.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:22 pmdumplings
Except my post, which you were criticising, did not deal with that subject. There is a huge difference between saying people might do something because they are gay, and just accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being gay.
The question, at the end of the post you call a vicious over-generalisation was not entirely rhetorical, but it was an appeal for more serious, and less, well, disgusting conservatives to maybe debate the issue at hand.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWhile, you take my generalisation as covering all Republicans, it was actually aimed at the trolls who had posted on this site.
While I do hold that Republicans, in general are global warming denialists, due to what I have seen Republicans post, heard their commentators say, and seen their leaders do, and while I do suspect that every issue where a politician has a good idea to a Republican boils down to people simply trying to grab power, this is more to do with the fact that this has been my experience with Republicans.
There are good conservatives out there. They are currently, on balance liberal, because America is a country founded on liberal principals and thus, to be conservative includes a certain amount of liberal ideology. The two are not in fact opposite ideologies, but rather, under the right circumstances complimentary.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:31 pmHowever, the current conservative movement has been hijacked, by what is basically, a totally different political movement. This movement is formed by the Religious Right, the Libertarian economic right, and, to put it bluntly, the nuts.
Liberal in the current climate of ideology is not so much disagreeing with the right on everything, as disagreeing with the rightwing on anything. In particular, the Iraq war.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWhile, you take my generalisation as covering all Republicans, it was actually aimed at the trolls who had posted on this site.
Alright, as long as my moderate conservative friends and I (who, by the way, are not global warming deniers) are not being grouped in with the heartless trolls, I have no problem.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmCome on Dumplings you want to take me on come and do it.
Because frankly you have pissed me off.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 10:09 am
I apologize, and I think that we are in agreement for the most part. I was offended by the generalization, but now I see where you are coming from and I’m right behind you. I find the troll’s comments just as despicable as you do, and I just wanted to make it clear that he does not speak for me (or any other human-being as far as I know).
dumplings
Okay, I wrong too. I wasn’t entirely clear on my beliefs, and I was overgeneralising a bit.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:23 pmYou Scmucks just don’t get it. This report is about young men and women who are kiling themselves, because of the horror and futility of this occupation. Some are so overwhelmed by their circumstances that they don’t even wait to come “home” when the real depression sets in to end the internal screaming. Instead we sit here in the warm glow of the ether and piss at and on each other. We are as much to blame as the Politicos who sent those brave people to Iraq.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmfootsore