Gingrich’s war.
By on Aug 15th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Gingrich’s war.
The “war here at home” against illegal immigrants is “even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan,” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said yesterday. Orcinus notes “that the crime rate among Latino immigrants is lower than that of the general population, and most other ethnic groups as well, including whites.”
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“How do you know she’s a witch?”
“Well, she turned me into a newt.”
“A newt?”
“… I got better.”
August 15th, 2007 at 2:53 pmthe “war here at home …..thaaaat would be against the Neoconservatives who have hijacked my country
August 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pmFacts are such pesky little things to ideologues like Little Newtie, Darth Cheney and GDumbya. That’s why they always just plain ignore them.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:55 pmzzzzzzzzzzzz. …..divide and conquer…………again…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
August 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhere is that photo of Newt in his pointed hat & white halloween sheets?
August 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmAccording to Newt, foreigners are streaming across our borders for no purpose than to kill innocent and unsuspecting Americans.
I have no doubt that for someone with a terrorist agenda this could be true, but it’s a real stretch to imagine it applies to undocumented aliens as a default.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThe borders must be closed immediately.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmFear terrorists…Fear immigrants…blah, blah, blah.
I’m seriously more afraid of lightning than I am of terrorists or immigrants or newts.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThe borders must be closed immediately.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Um… the problem with undocumented, or illegal, immigrants is that they come across the border even though it’s closed to them. Build a fence? They climb it. Build a really, really, really high fence? They tunnel underneath. Closed borders mean nothing.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pmwe must close the borders.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pmFat, rich, white, conservative, American men – 1
August 15th, 2007 at 3:04 pmEarth – 0
This idiot is always looking for a fight. No credibility since he was having an affair while trying to impeach Clinton. Leaving his wife while she was on her death bed. Republicans always come up with the best scum.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:04 pmthe crime rate among Latino immigrants is lower , I dont think so , those Mexicans will cut your throat for a dollar
August 15th, 2007 at 3:05 pmcapitalism at its best! I love it. A chance to better myself.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:05 pmwe are spinning out of control.
when does someone put these false flag alarmists in check?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmNewt, Newt… Is that the fictional child in the movie Aliens? She should be an adult now and should be much smarter than this.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThe borders must be closed immediately.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
The companies hiring undocumented immigrants must be closed immediately! Their CEOs, CFOs and entire management staff must be frog marched to prison for life.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmthe crime rate is lower because they dont report the crimes since they committed a crime coming over here illegally.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI agree with that too RUCerious..all that hire should be punished too
August 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWe must close the borders immeidately*!!!
* Except for the people who tend to my children, do our lawns, clean our houses, roof our homes, pick our vegatables, and clean millions of hotel rooms each day.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMexicans will cut your throat for a dollar , If their your friend they will cut your throat for nothing
August 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmBehold, the racist minds of the wingnuts.
Sad little monkeys.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pminstead of fences we should be using landmines
August 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
yes.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pmGingrich is–as usual–100% correct because unlike progressive schizoids, he uses actual facts and logic in his arguments. Illegal immigration is deadlier than Iraq/Afghanistan by the very fact that open borders (which libtards insist on) lead to increased risk of domestic terror attacks. Further galling is the liberal disease of sanctuary cities which protect illegal immigrants who murder Americans, deal drugs, and engage in other criminality. A statistic says that somethinig like 30% of criminals in American prisons are actually illegal immigrants. This attests to the fact of how deadly their influence in the country is. Curse Demoncrats and Bush for persisting to push through the amnesty bill in June, especially when that would’ve actually let illegals stay in the US while sending remittances back home, while doing nothing for border enforcement! Remember progressives, illegals cost Americans jobs, drive up costs of healthcare, lower public school quality and increase crime.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmI work for a Mexican family that are first generation American. They agree too. Illegal is illegal. Country run by rule of law.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAhhh captialism. We want low prices for our fruit, our veggies, our landscaping and the like but we are appauled to find out how the costs to provide us with these items are cut.
I’d like to see the voting record of the largest employers of illegal immigrants.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmBush loves illigal immigrants–scapegoats—lower wages– greed— good for business—- squashing the middle class and their worker’s unions. All is going according to BushCo. plans.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBorder security had been discussed and pushed aside for the last 6 years. This was squarely on the shoulders of republicans and they did nothing.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe borders must be closed immediately.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
40% of illegal immigrants overstay their visas. Closing the borders won’t stop a thing.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pmConservatives only want what’s best for them, screw everybody else.
we must close the borders.
Comment by mizuno
Yes, close them, just like the mind of a Conservative/racist.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmillegals cost Americans jobs, drive up costs of healthcare, lower public school quality and increase crime.
Comment by Keith Olberman
100% unsubstantiated horse dung (unless you’re a RACIST.)
Open Border Free Trade has cost MORE American jobs than the number on immigrants.
Are you enjoying your cheap goods made in China, retards?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#25. “Demoncrats”. I haven’t seen that pun before. Clever. Wrong…but clever nonetheless…
August 15th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI work for a Mexican family that are first generation American. They agree too. Illegal is illegal. Country run by rule of law.
Comment by mizuno — August 15, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Good idea! Let’s start by forcing American companies and jackals to stop exploiting workers, dumping commodities, dodging taxes in offshore shelters, and promoting debt slavery in the countries sending all these “illegals.” Rule of law!!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:18 pmClosing the borders is not racist. Mexico’s southern border has tanks on it.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pm“A statistic says that somethinig like 30% of criminals in American prisons are actually illegal immigrants.”
Comment by Keith Olberman — August 15, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Link to this obviously made-up “statistic”, please.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pmJust because you want to defend your country from illegals does not make you a racist…is that your only illogical response.
Hell, open the door to all, even our enemies. Bleed our country of all its resources. Give it all away. Start a soup line now.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pmMexicans are all low cost prostitutes
August 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by CT
So are wannabe GOP paid trolls.
Takes a whore to know a whore.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pmClinton signed the NAFTA trade, no? Again, politicians looking out for themselves.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHell, open the door to all, even our enemies. Bleed our country of all its resources. Give it all away. Start a soup line now.
Comment by mizuno — August 15, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Better idea – why don’t we fix the immigration system to make it easier for people to come here legally, without a 10-year waiting period?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pmMexico’s southern border has tanks on it.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD
But you don’t understand why, obviously.
Central America is MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than Mexico.
You really should get out of the house more. Travel, meet people from other countries and learn not to hate/fear so much.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:26 pmComment by missmolly — August 15, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Beat me to it – “statistic says something like” = “I’m pulling stuff out of my rectum” – how obvious and pathetic can you get to expound on your racist views?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“close the borders”
Such a nice slogan. Short, sweet, protective sounding, simple words. Except…what exactly does it mean?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pmToasterhead—
You have to control the influx. 10 years because of the mass amount of people wanting to come here and then the crashing of the infrastructure because of who has arrived illegally.
I do agree with a making it quicker I just dont know about easier. Need to limit the amount of bad apples. Those wanting to milk the system.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“the crime rate among Latino immigrants is lower than that of the general population, and most other ethnic groups as well, including whites.â€
I’m calling bullshit.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:29 pmWe talk a great deal about “closing the borders”, but the fact is that no matter what we do to block entry at our borders, people who want to come into the United States will find a way.
So why do most of the people who enter the country illegally do so? While Newt would have you believe the number one reason is to commit violent crimes against Americans, the real reason is to look for work — hopefully being able to save up some money to send back to family back home.
So wouldn’t you think the obvious thing to do would be to go after the people who are HIRING these undocumented residents? Of course. Only we love our undocumented workers. We love having people who will work long hours for low pay and won’t complain about it. We love them so much that we will pay lobbyists large sums of money to make sure the law fixates on border fences and not on employers.
Until we address the root of the problem, it’s just so much noise.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pmI feel a hell of a lot safer with Nest out of office, Congress in recess & Bush in Crawford; never mind the immigrants.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pmNest, of course, should be Newt
August 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pmClinton signed the NAFTA trade, no? Again, politicians looking out for themselves.
Comment by mizunodos — August 15, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
What’s a NAFTA?
‘Nother AFternoon of Tapping that A$$!!!
(sorry, stolen from an episode of Family Guy parodying Bill Clinton)
August 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmNest, of course, should be Newt
Comment by Zimzone — August 15, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
LOL — I was wondering who had earned the moniker of “Nest”! ;-)
August 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI agree Missmolly…stop the leak then clean up the mess in CEO world.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:39 pmHere is how bad these illegal immigrants are:
About 4% of State prison inmates were not U.S. citizens at yearend 2001.
Stat courtesy of The Bureau of Justice Statistics.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pmYou have to control the influx. 10 years because of the mass amount of people wanting to come here and then the crashing of the infrastructure because of who has arrived illegally.
I do agree with a making it quicker I just dont know about easier. Need to limit the amount of bad apples. Those wanting to milk the system.
Comment by mizuno — August 15, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
I don’t see too many jobless immigrants around here. There’s a high supply because there’s a high demand. If we want to control the influx, perhaps we should take a look at our policies in Latin America that have kept countries in debt and kept their citizens in poverty.
The corporations win either way. They “milk the system” by controlling natural resources and utilities in South and Central America on the one hand, and taking on low-wage immigrant labor when they cross the border into the U.S. Between the carrot of bribes and IMF loans and the stick of assassinations and coups, the CIA jackals keep the Latin American leaders from doing anything to fix the situation.
Nothing is going to happen to stop illegal immigration unless we fix the root causes.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:43 pmOkay, lets try that again
About 4% of State prison inmates were not U.S. citizens at yearend 2001.
Courtesy of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pmLiberals will care about securing the border when it’s used to attack America. Then, you can pretend you cared about it all along – a la the August 6th memo Condi received.
Liberals only do the right thing if it means they can attack conservatives. Otherwise, you’re usually on the wrong side of the issue. Of course, that is if slandering the troops and your President is the right side of the issue.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmtoasterhead
The solution is to force all American companies, when operating in states with lower minimum protections then America offers, to operate as if they were in America.
This would either raise the working conditions of those states to a point where eventually their economies would be strong enough to make them not want to come to America illegally (You don’t have much of an illegal immigration problem from Canada for example) or it would concentrate enough of America’s manufacturing back into America as to make the immigrants more desirable.
Either way, Americans win.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHillary is a Communist
Psst… Condi? She’s a CONSERVATIVE YOU MORON!!!
Further, we aren’t pretending anything on Clinton you can go back and review the news clips yourself if you want.
Oh, and as to being on the wrong side of every issue? Like supporting a war based on lies was the right side? Like hiring a political lackey to head FEMA was a bright idea? Like cutting funds to the levies in New Orleans, after 2004 was a record year for hurricanes, so you could build a bridge to nowhere in Alaska was a wonderful move?
The sum total of what Clinton achieved was: World admiration, America’s first anti-foreign terror measures, huge surplusses, and an economy which boomed.
The sum total of what Bush achieved will always go down in history as: Two wars. Two major disasters. A wrecked signature American city. A inflation adjusted deficit in 2004 which is the third worst in America’s history. Leaving America wide open to poisoned Chinese goods (You know why they think they can get away with it? Because you owe them money. Lots of it.) Isolating America from its allies and uniting America’s enemies, and, lastly, no Osama Bin Laden.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmsieg heil newt. break out the swastikas, its’ time for the homeland to rally against the brown plague.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 15, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
Thanks, Bruce — you replied to Hillary is a Communist while I was. Only my post disappeared into the TP black hole. It’s just as well, your post said it better than mine did.
I’m still curious about this “slandering the troops” we are accused of doing. I wasn’t aware that liberals slandered troops. All I’ve seen is support for the difficult job they are doing (and the government continues to make it even more difficult). Did I not get the memo that I’m supposed to be slandering them?
August 15th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThe solution is to force all American companies, when operating in states with lower minimum protections then America offers, to operate as if they were in America.
This would either raise the working conditions of those states to a point where eventually their economies would be strong enough to make them not want to come to America illegally (You don’t have much of an illegal immigration problem from Canada for example) or it would concentrate enough of America’s manufacturing back into America as to make the immigrants more desirable.
Either way, Americans win.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
I agree wholeheartedly. However, it’s much more easily said than done. And I believe it needs to be a global effort, not just the United States. If we mandate that American companies adhere to certain labor standards that no other country demands of its own corporations, companies are just going to find loopholes. They’ll subcontract all their factories through overseas subsidiaries and trade the finished goods through offshore banks so they can skirt around the requirements.
And then there’s enforcement – companies have no incentive to police themselves, U.S. inspectors can’t simply drop in on an overseas factory, and local officials in developing countries are extremely bribable. And the corporatocracy is so entrenched in both U.S. and foreign governments that neither has much incentive to change a system that’s profitable for a few.
The government can’t do it alone, nor caninternational organizations. I think a large part of the campaign has to come from us, the consumers. We need to begin demanding that the companies we buy from adhere to fair labor standards, whether they’re in Boston or Bangladesh.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pmall this anti-immigrant stuff is pre-Hitler Germany crap… beware of scapegoating “those other people,” folks… it’s a road we don’t want to go down…
August 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmall this anti-immigrant stuff is pre-Hitler Germany crap… beware of scapegoating “those other people,†folks… it’s a road we don’t want to go down…
Comment by Pete Bogs — August 15, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Yup. It wasn’t a problem until things started getting bad in Iraq and the housing market started to slump.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe trouble with the study Orcinus cites (consider the source, the immigration lawyers association) is that it lumps legal and illegal immigrants in together. It may well be that legal immigrant Latinos have a lower crime rate than average — remember, for one thing, that you need to have a clean police record to receive an immigrant visa — but it says nothing about illegal Latinos. According to the Feds, “criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates.” (That’s from FAIR, so consider that source, too.) So perhaps illegal aliens (Latino or otherwise) DO have a significantly higher crime rate than others, just like those nasty nativists say. I don’t profess to know. What I do know, though, is that those who support “immigrants’ rights” too often lump together the two entirely different classes of immigrant, legal and illegal. It’s a sloppy and disingenous way to make an argument. Kinda like “We have to fight them (Iraqis) there so we don’t have to fight them (al-Qaeda) here.”
August 15th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI’m still curious about this “slandering the troops†we are accused of doing. I wasn’t aware that liberals slandered troops. All I’ve seen is support for the difficult job they are doing (and the government continues to make it even more difficult). Did I not get the memo that I’m supposed to be slandering them?
Comment by missmolly
I have only seen the trolls here slandering troops, veterans and one even namejacked a dead Soldier mocking him.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDisgusting neocon trolls….
Please reconsider using the phrase “illegal immigrants.” No one else, who is accused of breaking the law, is labeled “illegal.” If someone drives drunk or snorts coke, he/she isn’t called illegal. Only after she/he is convicted of the crime is the word “criminal” used (or in some cases, the words “President of the US” are used).
People who enter or stay in the US illegally, are “undocumented.” No human is illegal, even if their actions are. And based on current statistics, more documented peoples’ actions are illegal than are those of the undocumented.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThe trouble with the study Orcinus cites (consider the source, the immigration lawyers association) is that it lumps legal and illegal immigrants in together. It may well be that legal immigrant Latinos have a lower crime rate than average — remember, for one thing, that you need to have a clean police record to receive an immigrant visa — but it says nothing about illegal Latinos.
Comment by traven — August 15, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
That doesn’t matter, though. The study compares foreign-born incarceration rates with native-born incarceration rates, and for each group the rate for foreign-born individuals is low. The percentage of undocumented foreign-born individuals must by definition be lower still.
The data itself comes from the U.S. Census Bureau, so it’s only as biased as the census is. I’d even argue that the incarceration rates for foreign-born individuals is even lower in reality, since the census probably undercounts illegal immigrants.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:37 pmmissmolly; Only the trolls mouth empty platitudes about supporting the troops, but don’t back it up with anything more substantial.
Trolls only support the troops if they agree with Bush. But slander the toops & veterans if they oppose the Iraq war and/or Bush.
I really do feel for the poor shcmucks out there today. Bad enough to be cannon fodder for an unjustified war, but they are on their 4th or 5th tours there.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:38 pmI’m hearing a bunch of whinning idiots. Shut up and get over to my house a mow my yard. And at the same time maybe your wife can clean my house.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:48 pmmichael; STFU you pussy, Join the army, coward!
August 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThe war on illegal immigrants,
The global war on terror,
The war on Gibson,
The war on Christmas,
It’s obivious that the repubs are losing the war on drugs…
August 15th, 2007 at 7:07 pmis this post broken
August 15th, 2007 at 7:32 pmNo, thats funny. I could not post a minute ago.
Micheal number 69 is a racists, the constetution says Everybody is equal not just repubs!
August 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pmI am a true blue democrat, I detest Newt, but on this I have to agree with him. I’ve never voted for a Republican but I’m rethinking my choices for ‘08. ” I truly believe the democratic party is going down the garden path on this one”.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pmFree markets at work.
If union workers are charging too much for a job that can be done at the same quality by others working for less, then the work goes to the lower costs.
The undocumented workers streaming over the border are willing to work their butts off to provide for themselves and their families.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:56 pmToasterhead, your comment makes no sense. Even supposing all foreign-born persons are counted correctly, if legal immigrants (nearly 40 million) have a low, low crime rate and illegal immigrants (oops, sorry, the undocumented) — 12 million — have a high crime rate, the crime rate of the “foreign born” lumped together will still be lower than the average. But that doesn’t get to the point of legal/illegal (er, documented/undocumented).
August 15th, 2007 at 10:00 pmLuckily, one can’t teach an old dog “newt” tricks.
I’m an old dog. So, Newt, take your tricks elsewhere.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:13 pmthat the crime rate among Latino immigrants is lower than that of the general population, and most other ethnic groups as well, including whites.â€
And the crime rate among Latino immigrants that come here illegally is 100% as the first thing they do in the United States is break the law. I wonder if Orcinus accounted for that law being broken? I bet not, since it would totally debunk his entire point.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:06 amI have a question. Why is it that the liberal candidates for Pres say in one speech that illegals are necessary to our economy, however in the next speech they say how this is the worst economy and they will creat jobs. Why not send the illegals home, create demand for manual labor, which increases wages, and will put AMERICANS to work. just a thought from a simple minded man
August 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amDr Smirithiason
Because the jobs which are currently available are of the bottom rung-dead-end variety, and the jobs America needs, are more of the career variety. The problem is not entirely quantity of work, it is quality of work.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:01 am