Think Progress

Rove: Bush’s critics are ’snobs’ who hate his ‘common sense.’

In his interview with Rush Limbaugh this afternoon, Karl Rove claimed that the people criticizing Bush are “sort of elite, effete snobs who can’t hold a candle to this guy. What they don’t like about him is that he is common sense, that he is Middle America.” Limbaugh suggest that Bush critics are frustrated the the President “outsmarts ‘em.” Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met” whose “passion is history.” Listen to a portion of the interview:

[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/rushrove.320.40.flv]



Sort Comments By: Top Rated | Date

324 Responses to “Rove: Bush’s critics are ’snobs’ who hate his ‘common sense.’”

  1. Uncle Ho Says:

    Bush ain't got the brains God gave geese.


  2. BlueArkansas Says:

    As usual, Rush's logic suffers from the fact that he isn't using any.


  3. gummitch Says:

    Well, jeeze, if Rove says it, it must be true.


  4. RemoveBush Says:

    “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met”

    More out-right lies.......

    Bush HIMSELF has said that he does not read newspapers..... If he does not read newspapers, the odds are pretty good that he does not read anything else....

    Just go back a few days ago when he was asked if he read one of the recently released documents from his department......

    He said no he has not......

    PLEASE, this man could not read his pet goat let alone anything beyond a 2nd grade level........

    And HE DOES NOT REPRESENT MIDDLE AMERICA!!!!!!


  5. tee Says:

    If Bush is the most well read person Rove has met, what does that say about the people Rove hangs with?


  6. Seitz Says:

    So "Middle Americans" are fake Texans who grew up as rich New Englanders and deserted the National Guard. Hmm, never knew that.


  7. CalGal Says:

    Rove is the one who invented the curren administration speak. Whatever I say, it's really the opposite. My personal prayer is that Congress continues to pursue justice in regards to all the dirty politics Rove has done. We need to tell the world that this is not who we really are. Also, we need to make sure that all these Presidential powers are not left for the next President to use and abuse, be it Democrat or Republican.


  8. leporello Says:

    I Love This! Carl Rove is just a plain, ordinary, common sense guy. Yes, and a swastika is just a Tibetan good luck charm. And now Mr. Rove's quoting Spiro Agnew! Maybe this president will walk in Mr. Nixon's shoes after all.
    Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution!


  9. MD Says:

    So a guy who was beat up by girls calls someone else "effete?"

    And Bush has such a passion for history he didn't even know there were different Muslim sects?

    Well, I guess when the audience in question would believe Karl if he told them water is no longer wet and the sun actually appears first in the West, then I guess it's okay to flat out lie.

    .


  10. hellinabucket Says:

    His passion is history. hmmm. His presidency is history and his standing in the world is history.


  11. . Says:

    W has the best smelling F@rts I have ever had the pleasure to sample. Roses!--now to plant my twolips


  12. bluefish Says:

    Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met”

    Poor Turd Blossom. Sounds like GWB got further in My Pet Goat than he did.


  13. the fly-man Says:

    Snobs? Good Heavans,what the hell does one call Barbara Comstock or Peggy Noonan?


  14. Karl Rove Says:

    I have a beautiful thick head of hair


  15. Smoke much weed? Says:

    Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met”

    Wasn't bush struggling to read that 1st grade book on 9-11 to the kids ?


  16. RUCerious Says:

    I'm sure most in Middle America have read their Shakespears this week.


  17. raynman Says:

    This is known as spin

    Rove spins out of habit

    the founding fathers spin in their graves out of disgust


  18. Mike Says:

    common sense-----> failing to find oil in Texas oilfields


  19. Karl Rove Says:

    ... and I can leg-press more than Pat Robertson.


  20. Hillary is a Communist Says:

    If Bush had no brains, why did he beat (or even come close to beating) a sitting VP in the "greatest economic expansion ever." If he's so dumb, why did he trounce Kerry in the domestic debate. If he is so dumb, why did he fool Hillary and Joe Biden into voting for the war???

    The truth is Bush is Brilliant. AND that is why you hate him. AND what you really want - impeachment - you will NEVER get. Because deep down, the spineless, cowardly Dems know Bush will outsmart them.


  21. AustinSF Says:

    ROVE + Alabama Scandal(s) = August Abrupt Resignation + Jail Time for TURD Blossom

    When is the Press gonna start asking Karl about the unfolding scandal in Alabama? He up to his neck in this one. Bush's Brain is just plain evil and corrupt.

    READ THIS FOLKS >

    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000351


  22. Blackacre Says:

    I'll give Rove credit. He got of lot of gullible people to believe that "Bush is Middle America." But since he isn't running for president any more, Karl can drop the act.


  23. funky p Says:

    If you listen to the audio KKKarl says that GW read 94 books last year. Does anyone honestly believe that Bush read 94 full length books last year? Or even in his life?
    I read a lot and maybe that comes to 12-15 books a year plus whatever I read in newspapers and on the internets.
    94 books? I just do not believe it. Not even 94 'My Pet Goats'


  24. cage free brown Says:

    Rush and Karl could have and traded armpit farts for the duration.
    did they change any minds? do any of Rush's loyal cabbage rolls feel any stronger about anything than they already did?

    preaching to the converted, man. don't mean diddly.


  25. upside00 Says:

    Snobs are one of the names BushCo calls "us folk". The rover also calls us the Mob.

    We just seem to be so much extra baggage holding back their agendas.


  26. Godless Republicans Says:

    Bush critics "hate" him because he's immoral, unethical, corrupt, arrogant and stupid.


  27. Steve Says:

    "Limbaugh suggest that Bush critics are frustrated that the President “outsmarts ‘em.” Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for"

    -just tryn' to make the rightTards feel good about themselves, someone has got to.


  28. Buck Fush Says:

    "Best-read"....KKKarl have you ever heard him speak? You have got to be kidding me. Bush couldn't outsmart a rock, well with an IQ of 91 guess he could outsmart a rock, but not much else.

    And Hillary is a Com...he did not win either election, they were stolen by repukian criminals. He did not outsmart anyone, KKKarl and shotgun Cheney pulled a fast one there with their anthrax mailing. No Bush is anything but brilliant, we hate him because he is a criminal and a war criminal to boot. Spew your stupid repukian talking points somewhere else, idiot.


  29. Republicans Can't Govern. Says:

    Rove categorizes Bush's critics as "ELITE"??? I thought they were Bush's Base.

    "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."

    -- W. on Oct 20, 2000. Speaking at an $800-a-plate fundraiser.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/10/18/politics/main242210.shtml


  30. funky p Says:

    I think maybe Karl meant 94 pages.

    Bush is brilliant? Brilliant as a lump of anthracite.
    Don't give Bush credit for all the victories, unless you are willing to assign him the blame for all the screw ups.


  31. r Says:

    We can all see Mr. Pee has wet his pants again on the way to stalking and murdering his next girlfriend…

    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm

    This must be name stealing. There's no homophobic reference from HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus.


  32. km4 Says:

    > Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met”

    Yes books like My Pet Goatas the Twin Towers were collapsing.

    Rove perhaps 10-15% of dumbass or kool aid drinking Americans buy the bullshit your spewing.


  33. GSD Says:

    Breaking News:

    Karl Rove calls 74% of America "elite, effete snobs"

    -GSD


  34. Karl's Tube Sock Says:

    I can testify that Rove really does worship GW.

    It's so sticky in here I can hardly breathe!

    Of course, he also worships Gannon, Thompson & Foley.
    OMG, here he cums again!


  35. Hillary is a Communist Says:

    #27 - That is slander. You hate Bush because he's a Republican trying to do his job. You hate Bush because he believes in God.

    You hate Bush because you're a selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points. YOU ARE EVIL.


  36. Pete Bogs Says:

    Bush has no sense, common or otherwise...


  37. ZPE Says:

    Yet when Bush said "Shouldn't we give the middle class money?" [when they wanted more tax cuts for wealthy]

    Karl said "Principle...Stick to principle"

    Huh. [Seems, to me, Karl had no common sense and is not for middle America =]

    Way to go Karl!!


  38. ArmyVet Says:

    Good God man...when I read this latest item I choked on my Budweiser! Sigh. Another trip to the laundry.
    Common sense...that is frickin rich...LOL! I should have bought Kool-Aid shares back when it was three bucks a share.


  39. tony Says:

    what apathetic website- 300 milllion americans and maybe 100 libs who have nothing to say thats progressive- its all derisive and mean


  40. r Says:

    [Bush] did not win either election,

    Comment by Buck Fush — August 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm

    Yes he did. It was in all the papers.


  41. Uncle Ho Says:

    r; mr. pee wears pants? I just saw him the other day-wearing Rudi Giuliani's dress.


  42. Karl's Tube Sock Says:

    Help, I'm drowning in here!


  43. RepublicansAreFascists Says:

    You hate Bush because you’re a selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points. YOU ARE EVIL.
    Comment by Hillary is a Communist

    So says the name-jumpin' Neocon who visits a PROGRESSIVE site and promotes racism/hatred?

    Nah, scorin' political points is the Republicants forte, hence your presence HERE.


  44. ZPE Says:

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist — August 15, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    The unimaginative projectionism never stops from this one.


  45. Hillary is a Communist Says:

    Buck Fush - I hope you're right. That means in 2008, the GOP will win again. Thank you for calming me - I was getting nervous that we would lose. But by your own admission, we'll just rig it to win. Cool - we can pack the Supreme Court then and make fun of your conspiracy theories after we steal the election.


  46. Trizza Says:

    Why don't you just go ahead and blow him Karl and get it over with.


  47. Tobey Tall Says:

    FACT

    Iran Hasn't Started a War in Over 1,000 Years


  48. Hillary is a Communist Says:

    #49 - another oral obsessed liberal.


  49. Anon Says:

    Rove is distracting attentin from war crimes and unlawful violations of Geneva. Rove was there during the plannig. He could be a war crimes defendant.


  50. RemoveBush Says:

    "what apathetic website- 300 milllion americans and maybe 100 libs who have nothing to say thats progressive- its all derisive and mean

    Comment by tony — August 15, 2007 @ 4:24 pm"

    PSSSST.....

    You posted on the wrong tab.......

    You did not post on RedState, you posted on Think Progress.....

    Next time pay attention to what tab you are on and what website you are posting on.....


  51. ZPE Says:

    If you notice Mr Pee is using the same tired schtick Karl is still using.

    Projecting his opinion, his imagination, on others then regarding his imagination as some kind of truth.

    Crazy isn't it?


  52. Hillary is a Communist Says:

    RemoveBush - shouldn't you be killing babies or something?


  53. Mr. Pretzel Says:

    He ain't smarter than me...& and it took Mr. Bush to show all you elites that it's pronounced 'NewQler'.


  54. r Says:

    mr. pee wears pants? I just saw him the other day-wearing Rudi Giuliani’s dress.

    Comment by Uncle Ho — August 15, 2007 @ 4:25 pm

    So what are you saying, that Hillary is more manish than Rudy?


  55. Godless "Christian" Right Says:

    Now that Bush's cancerous brain has been removed, please throw that putrid thing in the incinerator.


  56. Trizza Says:

    #49 - another oral obsessed liberal.

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist

    I'm not the one salivating over Bush's "Brilliance" as you claim him to be.

    HIC k


  57. shane Says:

    That is slander. You hate Bush because he’s a Republican trying to do his job. You hate Bush because he believes in God.

    You hate Bush because you’re a selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points. YOU ARE EVIL.

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist — August 15, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    Dream on loser. If Bush hadn't broke so many laws he wouldn't be crying executive privilege every 5 minutes. Are you going to pay the price for all the crap Bushco has gotten us mired in. I didn't think so.

    Chickenhawk supporters of this war criminal should get some humility and STFU. The progressives here, the real Americans, will work on getting this countries reputation back. You people can just apologize and say thank you. Then sit back and reflect on all the trouble your stupidity has caused us all.


  58. ZPE Says:

    #49 - another oral obsessed liberal.

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist

    LOL, thank you for using the same tired method or projecting insanity as reality, and proving my point. Now call me a bunch of names and make up some untrue stories in rebuttal to this comment.

    Thanks for playing!


  59. kelso Says:

    It's like these guys take the truth, then flip it 180 degrees and spit out the lie. They don't even try to smudge or spin the truth, they just flat out lie.

    I mean really, come on.. "well read" , "passion is history"! Give me a f'ing break!! Marble mouth Bush jr. is clearly only a notch or two above functionally retarded. You don't have to be 'sort of elite' or a 'snob' to recognize that, just listen to him everytime he opens his mouth.


  60. Uncle Ho Says:

    r; if the stiletto heels fits, wear it.


  61. r Says:

    Stealing the election is all you’ve had for decades. That’s why Rove was caught Caging!

    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

    At least his cage didn’t contain gerbils.


  62. ZPE Says:

    So what are you saying, that Hillary is more manish than Rudy?

    Hillary is more authoritative than Rudy.


  63. Republicans Can't Govern. Says:

    Bush's "passion is history"?? and the moron can't even explain what a "sovereign nation" is?

    Hahahahahah!!!


  64. Trizza Says:

    That is slander. You hate Bush because he’s a Republican trying to do his job. You hate Bush because he believes in God.

    You hate Bush because you’re a selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points. YOU ARE EVIL.

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist — August 15, 2007 @ 4:23 pm

    You obviously LOVE what Bush has done to this country so by your own admission, you are the "selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points."


  65. shane Says:

    what apathetic website- 300 milllion americans and maybe 100 libs who have nothing to say thats progressive- its all derisive and mean

    Comment by tony — August 15, 2007 @ 4:24 pm

    That's right tony, your leader's destruction of our country has pissed us off. You would be angry too if our leader has f*cked things us. But you guys were angry at Clinton for his sex life and were too stupid to notice all the great things he did for this country. Yeah, we're pissed. So why don't you say you're sorry and get the hell out of here.


  66. katy Says:

    EVERYthing he said was bullshite...
    but this is the most laughable: "... he is Middle America.”

    good lord... still trying to pass THAT one off?
    yeesh...
    .


  67. kelso Says:

    -tony #41

    I don't like apathetic websites either.


  68. Republicans Can't Govern. Says:

    Does "common sense" include:

    (1) allowing al Qaeda to fly 2 planes into the World Trade Center and a third into The Pentagon

    (2) allowing Osama bin Laden to remain free 6 years later??


  69. Uncle Ho Says:

    HIAC; we hate Bush. Is job is to faithfully uphold and execute the Constitution. He has disregarded it, underminded it, and subverted ....just like Hitler.


  70. evagrius Says:

    The "books" Bush and Rove read are comic books.


  71. missmolly Says:

    How in the world can I hate something that doesn't exist? If Bush actually HAD any common sense, I could form an opinion on it.


  72. ZPE Says:

    what apathetic website- 300 milllion americans and maybe 100 libs who have nothing to say thats progressive- its all derisive and mean

    Comment by tony

    I love you tony, want to see my watch?


  73. shane Says:

    Buck Fush - I hope you’re right. That means in 2008, the GOP will win again. Thank you for calming me - I was getting nervous that we would lose. But by your own admission, we’ll just rig it to win. Cool - we can pack the Supreme Court then and make fun of your conspiracy theories after we steal the election.

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist — August 15, 2007 @ 4:27 pm

    We're all worried that you fascist will steal ONE MORE ELECTION. That isn't winning and it isn't patriotic. All you neocons who think your party winning is more important that this country should be arrested for treason. Hope they can link this back to you.


  74. r Says:

    After all, the GOP is now known as the party of Perverts!
    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

    More projection from you - BORING!!
    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:25 pm


  75. Barry Says:

    They read all right,,ALL FICTION,,oh yea. That's learning. No matter what Bush's his education was it sure doesn't show in his appearence. He's retained nothing and had a lot of help with his homework I'm sure. Bush brain Rove's probably going to have to phone in all Bush's instructions from Texas now. He's never been without him politically before.


  76. Dan Says:

    Like most middle Americans, George Bush's grandfather was a Connecticut Senator and his father was President, he went to elite Eastern prep schools and was a legacy admission to Yale. And like most of us, his family connections ensured that his professional and scholastic failings did not prevent him from admission to Harvard Business School and a lucrative career propped up by investments from wealthy friends. When Bush decided to dabble in politics, of course he did what any middle American would do - purchase a multi-million dollar "ranch" with no livestock or crops to authenticate his down home credentials.


  77. Karl Rove Says:

    He's smarter than the average 'Bear',,,right Gannon?


  78. shane Says:

    So what are you saying, that Hillary is more manish than Rudy?

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:30 pm

    Who isn't? Rudy even exhibits PMS symptoms with his anger issues.


  79. Trizza Says:

    what apathetic website- 300 milllion americans and maybe 100 libs who have nothing to say thats progressive- its all derisive and mean

    Comment by tony — August 15, 2007 @ 4:24 pm

    The truth hurts eh Tony?


  80. Raven Says:

    Limbaugh suggest that Bush critics are frustrated that the President “outsmarts ‘em.”

    It's easy to understand how Dumbaugh came up with this one.


  81. 70% of America Says:

    Say what?

    -


  82. Republicans Can't Govern. Says:

    Republicans would LOVE to pack the Supreme Court and make all abortion illegal. Then, the United States would join the other esteemed countries where abortion is illegal in all circumstances:

    El Salvador
    Malta
    Vatican City

    ... that's it.


  83. r Says:

    After all, the GOP is now known as the party of Perverts!
    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

    The unimaginative projectionism never stops from this one.
    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 4:27 pm


  84. rasta Says:

    3. Ur-Fascism relies on action for action's sake.

    Action is taken without reflection or critical attitudes. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds."

    The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

    Fourteen Warning Signs of a Fascist State
    -by Umberto Eco


  85. VerbalKint Says:

    The fascist liars on the right just don't know when the shut up. They haven't learned that they are no longer just slandering Democrats, but most independents and even some Republicans who recognize that Bush is a failure.

    Keep it up, wingnuts. Keep calling middle-American centrists names like traitor, hater, and terrorist. See where that gets your party in 2008. The dustbin of history.


  86. The Crapture Says:

    Typical of the Bush Assministration and their apologists...anyone who isn't fool enough to swallow their rhetoric and wash it down with a huge gulp of the proverbial Koolaid (and anyone with some modicum of critical thinking and a functional vocabulary) gets branded as an "elitist"...by that logic, if being somewhat more than semi-literate and having a broader grasp on reality than Rush's target audience of mouth-breathers makes me an elitist, than so be it.


  87. shane Says:

    At least his cage didn’t contain gerbils.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:34 pm

    No his cage contained the votes of soldiers that voted for Kerry. Way to support the troops, way to support the US, way to support the constitution.


  88. RemoveBush Says:

    "(1) allowing al Qaeda to fly 2 planes into the World Trade Center and a third into The Pentagon

    (2) allowing Osama bin Laden to remain free 6 years later??

    Comment by Republicans Can't Govern. — August 15, 2007 @ 4:37 pm"

    I must protest item (1)......

    It has NOT been proven that al Qaeda did this..... The evidence points more to an inside job than to al Qaeda.......

    Not trying to change the toppic, but I want to try and keep the information as honest and factual as possible.....


  89. marty Says:

    This whole line Rove is peddling (which has been spread by others as well) that Bush is really way smarter than we think, is well-read, and in general NOT what he appears to be is, frankly- a line of complete bullshit.

    Aside from the obvious, overwhelming EVIDENCE of Bush's semi-literate, mentally lazy, incoherence, think about this:

    If this line of horseshit is true, that means that the President of the UNited States has for YEARS, deliberately adopted a public persona (complete with numerous admittances by him -"I can barely speak English" only the most recent- about his being "misunderestimated", etc. that in reality is the opposite of what he supposedly is.

    Are we really supposed to believe that the bumbling, incoherent, barely able to speak complete sentences boob we 've seen for years, ISN'T the real Bush?????


  90. r Says:

    Yeah, why don’t you just as Glenn Murphy and the host of GOP perverts that sexually molest others about that?

    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    This guy must be a reel to reel projector. He's full of it.


  91. alagator Says:

    What happened to the "nattering nabobs of negativism"?

    Ahhh...those were the days!


  92. Trizza Says:

    After all, the GOP is now known as the party of Perverts!
    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

    The unimaginative projectionism never stops from this one.
    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 4:27 pm

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    Haggart
    Gannon
    Foley
    Decamp
    Murphy Jr

    Should I continue? There's more.


  93. Probus Says:

    Rove failed to mention that a majority of Americans now disapprove of Bush. Rove arguments are childish and immature. Bush has always ignored common sense. He ignored it when it came to Iraq, the Dubai Ports deal, stem cell research, global warming and corruption in the GOP. As for Bush's intelligence the less said the better.


  94. r Says:

    No his cage contained the votes of soldiers that voted for Kerry.
    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

    I thought Kerry kept those votes in his magic hat.

    As if there were any.


  95. Anonymous By Choice Says:

    A lot of spelling and grammatical errors in there, TP. The errors are i bold.

    In his interview with Rush Limbaugh this afternoon, Karl Rove claimed that the people criticizing Bush are “sort of elite, effete snobs who can’t hold a candle to this guy. What they don’t like about him is that he is common sense, that he is Middle America.” Limbaugh suggest that Bush critics are frustrated the the President “outsmarts ‘em.” Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is “one of the best-read people I’ve ever met” whose “passion is history.” Listen to a portion of the interview:


  96. JG Says:

    Bush has common sense? When did that happen??


  97. VerbalKint Says:

    I smell sheer desperation in the Bush crime family. They are focused solely on keeping their diminishing base together, knowing that if Bush loses much more support their little cabal will come completely unglued, meaning long prison sentences for the lot of them.

    I suspect that Rove is going to the wall with his patented strategy of securing the base and dividing the opposition. One possibility is that he will go underground to orchestrate a faux-centrist third party campaign meant to draw off and divide the 70% of Americans now opposed to Bush.


  98. shane Says:

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    This loser's definitely paid by the post. If you have not comment Idiot R why are you wasting our time pasting others posts? If that's your effort at whinings why don't you go somewhere and cry alone, nobody here gives two shits what you trolls think.


  99. Probus Says:

    The last straw for the American people was the Foley scandal, where the GOP leadership and the White Bush went to great lengths to protect a pedophile. It was only when the story broke that Foley resigned. This scandal and the Iraq war allowed democrats to sweep into Congress.


  100. F Preznit Chucklenutz Says:

    "Hillary is a communist"....

    Hey lemming...mommy has finished your franks and beans...don't you think it's time to go wash up for lunch...and change your pull-up.

    If you ever visit the world of reality-based reality, look us up. Till then, keep dreaming...

    What a dumb ass.

    Why do neo-cons hate America.


  101. missmolly Says:

    What happened to the “nattering nabobs of negativism”?

    Ahhh…those were the days!

    Comment by alagator — August 15, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

    Agnew's Amazing Alliteration. Hey, the guy was a crook, but at least his speech was colorful.


  102. shane Says:

    Yeah, why don’t you just as Glenn Murphy and the host of GOP perverts that sexually molest others about that?

    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:41 pm

    This guy must be a reel to reel projector. He’s full of it.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

    So you support child molestors as long as they're Republican. You people are more twisted than even we can believe.


  103. Karl Rove Says:

    by "elite", I mean 'those who think for themselves'(how dare you!), not the Republican Corporate elite who run this whole show


  104. hellinabucket Says:

    What is it with Republicans and molesting children.

    Will somebody think of the children!!!!!


  105. r Says:

    Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

    That's kind of odd. You make all kinds of homophobic references and call others perverts talk about projection all the time. Then you rattle off the names and acts of more deviants than I've ever heard.

    I guess you're the biggest projector of all.


  106. Karl Rove Says:

    Glenn Murphy? So what. I walk around with bedhead all the time


  107. Nell Says:

    HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL


  108. mizuno Says:

    Keep getting angry and let the two party system divide us.

    Then they will have America all to themselves.

    Do not believe either one truly has the best interest for all of us.

    Republicans with unprecedented spending and mismanagement of the war in the beginning.

    Democrats with voting for the war and then backing out and now reconsidering and oh yeah, passing all types of unbinding resolutions.

    Time to look elsewhere.


  109. NelsonC Says:

    I think it's sad that President Bush's friends, after seven years, still need to put forward the idea that "he's smarter than he looks".

    Meanwhile the President often claims that he enjoys the lowered expectations that comes with being "misunderestimated". Sure, it's great when you're running for office but it's a rather pathetic way to govern once you get there.

    I think the sad truth is that he is exactly as smart as he seems.


  110. F Preznit Chucklenutz Says:

    #125

    "Heh...Heh...It's easy, 'cause they like cheeseburger pizza...Heh. And when we're done, we can play Shoots and Ladders....well, so long as I can be the commander-guy and The Decider...Heh"....Franks and Beans!!!

    Signed,
    M.....heh, oops...I meant W...heh.


  111. Dave from the Lake Effect Zone Says:

    Bush ain’t got the brains God gave cheese.


  112. hellinabucket Says:

    Some would call that supporting evidence r.


  113. ArmyVet Says:

    Actually Rove's comments make a sort of sick kind of sense. If your base is tabacky chewin, English manglin', NASCAR mesmerized neanterthals and you are pretending to be part of that base...then anyone with the slightest education and penchant for critical thought must necessarily be an intellectual snob.


  114. johnnyr Says:

    And now it's time to puke.


  115. Uncle Jed Says:

    If brains was lard, "W" couldn't grease a pan.


  116. mz Says:

    Now, thanks to Karl Rove, we finally have a precise definition of that mythical "Middle America". It's that odd collection of 29% of Americans who fall into one of these categories: war-mongering nationalists, hateful xenophobes, racist bigots, corrupt crony corporatists, fanatical religious fundamentalists, and those poor saps who are mentally unstable and hold a tenuous relationship with reality. These categories often overlap.


  117. RepublicansAreFascists Says:

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The death toll in the suicide bombings Tuesday in northern Iraq has risen to at least 500, local officials in Nineveh province said Wednesday.


  118. WaltTheMan Says:

    All of those books that W read had cloth covers and were made in China.They also contained lead dyes... is there an explanation here?


  119. Probus Says:

    The number of Bushisms that we have seen in the 6 years he has been president contradict Rove's ridiculous statement that Bush is intelligent. Bush will never be able to shake the perception that he is dumb.


  120. wattstheproblem Says:

    Cannot wait for dems in office....

    the same things will be going on...

    Will the sentiment be the same?


  121. Perry Logan Says:

    Bill Clinton has an IQ of about 180.

    George W. Bush has an IQ of 90 at most (not counting the effect of drugs and brain damage).

    That's why the White House imploded when George W. Bush took office.


  122. Art Says:

    I don't hate his common sense.
    He doesn't have any to hate.
    I hate his guts.


  123. TryingToBePolite Says:

    "Listen to a portion of the interview:"

    No thank you.


  124. RepublicansAreFascists Says:

    When you Neocons finally admit it's a civil war, well,

    WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

    A U.S. general said the attacks were "trademark al Qaeda" adding it was "an act of ethnic cleansing."

    Thanks a million Bushco for finally bringing Al Qeada to Iraq.

    You Cons want resolution, then solve the main crisis which is and will be,

    CIVIL WAR.


  125. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Bush has a "passion for history," but somehow, before invading a middle-eastern country, he didn't know that there were two main types of muslims, Sunnis and Shiites.

    He has a "passion for history," but somehow couldn't explain to a group of Native Americans what the term soverign meant.

    Bush was the 17th legacy from his family honorarily admitted to Yale, a string of legacies which dates back to the 1840's. Before that he went to Andover Prep and after, he attended Harvard Business School. Yep, he's just a regular guy and, as an elitist snob, that just pisses me off!


  126. WaltTheMan Says:

    Bill Clinton has an IQ of about 180.

    George W. Bush had an IQ of 90 at most (not counting the effect of drugs and brain damage).

    That’s why the White House imploded when George W. Bush took office.

    Comment by Perry Logan — August 15, 2007 @ 5:03 pm

    Perry L.,
    I fixed your post.


  127. Art Says:

    Cannot wait for dems in office….

    the same things will be going on…

    Will the sentiment be the same?

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 5:02 pm

    Funny...
    I said almost the same thing about the reps when Clinton was in office.


  128. MCMetal Says:

    "Best read" and is hated for his "common sense" ?

    How many well-read individuals refer to a literary giant as "ShakespeareS" ?

    Or to the present-day phenomenon as "the Google" and the "internetS" ?

    And is his "common sense" revealed when he prattles on between the words "dissembling" and "dissassembling" ; neither of which he understands nor can pronounce correctly ?


  129. Francois Says:

    Common sense? No.

    Middle America? Only if middle America means very rich and elite.

    Outsmarts his critics? This guy must be off his rocker.


  130. had enough Says:

    Rove: Bush's critics are 'snobs’' who hate his 'common sense.'

    No Rove.... all We the People want back is the Constitution, our jobs, a moral health care system, justice for all... you bastard thugs stole this from us while distracting the masses with you fake lying manipulative terror. You freaks do not want to stop until it is all gone ... gone to the One world Order Corporate evil doers.
    And to the trolls here... How can you NOT see this for what it really is? You will go down too.


  131. wattstheproblem Says:

    Quoted from Times
    Bush is in the same league as John F. Kennedy, who graduated 65th in his high-school class of 110 and, in the words of one biographer, "stumbled through Latin, French, mathematics, and English but made respectable marks in physics and history."

    Clintons IQ is more like Al Gore at 134


  132. WaltTheMan Says:

    Comment by MCMetal — August 15, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    He has that book ("Common Sense") by Thomas Paine. It's still in the plastic wrap from Amazon. God is reading it for him.


  133. ZPE Says:

    Then you rattle off the names and acts of more deviants than I’ve ever heard -r

    Oh, their are plenty of them...Like (R) Mayor Kyle Randall
    GRANITE FALLS, Minn. A former mayor of Clarkfield has been sentenced on charges that he molested two boys from 1997 to 2003.
    He was mayor of Clarkfield from 1998 to the fall of 2004. In 2002, he ran as a Republican in an unsuccessful bid for state representative. [thank God]
    http://www.wkbt.com/global/story.asp?s=4075665&ClientType=Print


  134. ZPE Says:

    http://www.americanprogress.org/

    If you want to read on progressive items related to TP.


  135. wattstheproblem Says:

    It is true Art....Dimes worth of Difference...as soon as we realize that the better we can improve this country.

    Actually sit down and have civil debate to help solve our problems.


  136. tarazan Says:

    For Rove, there is little effort, if any, to convince Rush with what he is talking about.
    Rush plays,as usual , the cheerleader part.
    I see no problem to any of the two convincing each others on this issue of Bush presidency.
    The problem is for Rove to convince others in different forum,and the American people now.
    Rove choosing Rush Limbuagh radio after he resigned is not a surprise at all.
    He wants to talk freely and get support also from his cheerleader Rush.

    Rove never explained why Bush has been struggling to convince no more than 34% of Americans for sometime about his policies.

    The dreamland that Rove still lives in blinded him from seeing reality.
    In last November's elections,Rove still was convinced and believed that Americans will keep Republicans as majority in the House and Senate,even after all the mishandling of the war.

    If Rove continue to hang around Rush Limbaugh, they both will continue dreaming that they are right,and the majority of Americans are wrong.


  137. WaltTheMan Says:

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

    There's a difference between 'civil' debate and 'civilized' debate. I prefer the latter.


  138. Johnny Swank Says:

    Bush is smarter than you believe. He won the most coveted job in the free world, and that makes you wimpies really angry. He beat retarded Al ( He really needs to wear earth tones) Gore, and cowardice John ( How do I look wind sailing?) Kerry. Bush was elected twice because the candidates sucked. Bill Clinton knew what he was doing, therefore getting votes from republican soccer moms. The democratic party better nominate a better canidate than Hillary. No presidential hopeful has ever won the presidency with below fifty percent positive numbers, EVER!

    If the republican party wants Hillary to be the candidate, that says a lot. Their not scared of her. You however should be if you hope for a progressive win.


  139. huh Says:

    Bush is "middle America." Yeah, right. He comes from generations of extreme wealth, privilege, exclusion, political power, and elite education. The Bushes are as close as it gets to royalty in this country. Rove is just doing his usual myth-mongering. This particular meme about Bush certainly seems to have caught on, though -- "guy you'd like to have a beer with"; etc.


  140. had enough Says:

    #159
    When you listen to Rush, it is obvious he is still using....and for his listeners to follow this druggie like sheep says volumes about them.


  141. Uncle Ho Says:

    If Bush is middle American, then I'm Paris Hilton's brother.-NOT


  142. MCMetal Says:

    Comment by MCMetal — August 15, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    He has that book (”Common Sense”) by Thomas Paine. It’s still in the plastic wrap from Amazon. God is reading it for him.

    Comment by WaltTheMan — August 15, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

    And "God" was overheard commenting :
    "Jesus Christ , you're goddamn stupid" ..........


  143. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Rep. Fred Richmond. This New York Democrat was arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old. He remained in Congress and won re-election—before eventually resigning in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.


  144. Johnny Swank Says:

    Bush is “middle America.” Yeah, right. He comes from generations of extreme wealth, privilege, exclusion, political power, and elite education. The Bushes are as close as it gets to royalty in this country. Rove is just doing his usual myth-mongering. This particular meme about Bush certainly seems to have caught on, though — “guy you’d like to have a beer with”; etc.

    Comment by huh — August 15, 2007 @ 5:20 pm

    I bet you say that about the Kennedy's and Kerry's too? When are you going to come up with something original?

    Huh is a perfect for you by the way.


  145. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Sen. Brock Adams. The late Washington Democrat was forced to stop campaigning after numerous accusations of drugging, assault and rape, the first surfacing in 1988.


  146. Glenda Beck Says:

    1978, hehehhehe


  147. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Rep. John Young. The late Texas Democrat increased the salary of a staffer after she gave in to his sexual advances. The congressman won re-election in 1976 but lost two years later.


  148. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Rep. Wayne Hays. The late Ohio Democrat hired an unqualified secretary reportedly for sexual acts. Although he resigned from Congress, the Democratic House leadership stalled in removing him from the Administration Committee in 1976.


  149. Jay Randal Says:

    Bush Junior never had an once of common sense his entire elite life. He was born into a wealthy family, with political connections, so for Rove and Dubya to call those who oppose them "snobs" is utterly ridiculous.


  150. NoMoreBush Says:

    #83 -- Could not have said it better myself.


  151. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Rep. Gerry Studds. He was censured for sexual relationship with underage male page in 1983. Massachusetts voters returned him to office for six more terms.


  152. wattstheproblem Says:

    Former Rep. Mel Reynolds. The Illinois Democrat was convicted of 12 counts of sexual assault with a 16-year-old. President Bill Clinton pardoned him before leaving office.


  153. Glenda Beck Says:

    1976,hehehehe


  154. wattstheproblem Says:

    Sen. Teddy Kennedy. The liberal Massachusetts senator testified in defense of nephew accused of rape, invoking his family history to win over the jury in 1991.

    Nevermind murder in the river.

    Again, both sides are dividing us till we fracture and sink.

    Time to change ALL our leaders.


  155. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Johnny Swank: "If the republican party wants Hillary to be the candidate, that says a lot. Their not scared of her. You however should be if you hope for a progressive win."

    Swank, we know from your past posts that critical thinking is not your strong suit, but please tell us why Rove would be looking for any opportunity to slam Hillary and Repubs keep telling anyone who will listen that she can't possibly be elected if they actually want her to be the candidate. If they wanted her to be the candidate, wouldn't they shut up about her negatives? I don't want to give you a headache, but try to think this through. And keep in mind that Hillary has beaten Rudy and all other Repub frontrunners in head-to-head polls 12 out of the last 14 times. And, you should know that 58% of Americans say they will vote for the Dem no matter who they nominate against only 26% who say they will vote for the Repub.


  156. Jay Randal Says:

    ounce not once in post 172.


  157. Johnny Swank Says:

    N.A.M.B.L.A. votes democratic in every election and advises their members to do so as well. Why? Because liberal judges feel sorry for the perp, not the innocent victims. State laws are posted to show where you get in the least trouble for raping young boys!! Their web site endorses democrats. Go check for yourself: you should feel proud.


  158. missmolly Says:

    "If the republican party wants Hillary to be the candidate, that says a lot. Their not scared of her. You however should be if you hope for a progressive win."

    Comment by Johnny Swank — August 15, 2007 @ 5:18 pm

    I figure our chances for a Democratic win will be excellent no matter who we nominate, if the Republicans insist on Giuliani being their standard-bearer. Even the people in his own city can't stand him and aren't afraid to say so.

    But I agree with you that if we want a progressive win, we need to nominate somebody other than Hillary. She's far more status quo than progressive.


  159. wattstheproblem Says:

    Rep. Barney Frank. The outspoken Massachusetts Democrat hired a male prostitute who ran a prostitution service from Frank’s residence in the 1980s. Only two Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to censure him in 1990.


  160. Troll Hater Says:

    Well, he _was_ seen with a book by Camus once (it was "l'Etranger" which is a bit tough to get into at the best of times: http://www.slate.com/id/2147662/). He was also seen with at least one revisionist history book: http://www.slate.com/id/2162837/

    Way to go...


  161. George Says:

    OK Karl, whatever you say. What UTTER NONSENSE.

    The only thing Georgie cares about is his speedboat at Kennebunkport and a sneaked tipple of JD after the wife's asleep.


  162. RemoveBush Says:

    test


  163. Glenda Beck Says:

    got anything from this century whattstheproblem? hahahhahahahaaa


  164. chimpeach Says:

    Bush's common sense?

    You mean like fighting the war on terror by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan, where bin Laden was, and sending them to invade Iraq, where the terrorists weren't? That kind of common sense?

    I'm so elite I just can't see the common sense in that maneuver.


  165. Evergreen Says:

    GW Bush doesn't read newspapers and not much else either...although his dad did. GW does rest a lot though. (maybe the Lyme disease)

    But GW did read Dick the Goat...remember when he stared dumbfounded into the camera for however many minutes? ..being the man of action that he is. Cheney gave the orders then...and is probably still doing so.

    Bush is probably not as dumb as he appears and sounds...but that does not qualify him as presidential material.

    OTOH Bush does make a good grinning, head bobbing figurine for the Darth Cheney Dashboard.

    Hey...do you recall that shot Michael Moore or someone had of him making his golf shot immediately after that so serious taping ? Yup...he really showed us how much he cared/the quarter inch depth of his feelings, when he thought he was off camera.


  166. RemoveBush Says:

    I give up........

    TP YOU SUCK!!!!

    FIX YOU GOD DANM SERVERS, or what ever the issue is with posts on posting......


  167. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    wattstheproblem, do you really want to get into a numbers game with perverts? I don't think you really do. It's not a good game for repubs these days. Ask John McCain's Florida election co-chairman.


  168. ZPE Says:

    John ( How do I look wind sailing?) Kerry -John Swank

    You seem to be more interested in photo ops and smear than a candidates qualifications. In Texas the Lt. Governor does the work, not the Governor.


  169. chimpeach Says:

    #180 Johnny Wank

    N.A.M.B.L.A. votes democratic in every election and advises their members to do so as well.

    Really? How would you know? You spend a lot of time at their website?

    Oh, by the way, who was it again that covered for Mark Foley when he was hitting on the male pages? Oh yeah, that's right. The hypocritical pedophile Republicans.


  170. hellinabucket Says:

    This country deserves a fresh start. Going with Hillary isn't the answer. Justified or not, Mrs. Clinton will be a target for everyone that hated Mr. Clinton.

    Take that ammo out of the republican hands. Edwards, Obama and/ or Richardson can be rallied around.


  171. Pete Says:

    Bush reads books! LMAO!


  172. wattstheproblem Says:

    Let us not forget about Governor Goldschmidit of Oregon with his own children's 14 year old babysitter.


  173. wattstheproblem Says:

    Obama or Biden but no Edwards...too much spending in his agenda.


  174. Bill Says:

    Here's a long list of Republican child molesters...

    http://www.armchairsubversive.org


  175. Lano Says:

    This guy is a class act.
    He is very ...well crazy he goes on this racist bimbo's
    show to defend his best buds.Bimbo is the perfect example of a propargandist.He should be locked up with the rest of the skins heads.


  176. wattstheproblem Says:

    Good find...bill....

    May the all get their just desserts.


  177. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    wattstheproblem, you asked for it. Your list has arived in #197 with thanks to Bill. Read it wattstheproblem. It's fascinating. But make sure you have a lot of time on your hands. It's a very long list. Much longer than yours.


  178. wattstheproblem Says:

    Good find...bill

    May they all get their just desserts.


  179. American Idiot Says:

    You snobs are just mad because Bush outsmarted you in 2006. Now we have victory in Iraq and a permanent Republican majority. Yay!

    Also everyone gets a tax break and a sports car.


  180. wattstheproblem Says:

    who cares who has longer list....


  181. wattstheproblem Says:

    It doesnt matter they all deserve the hell they caused


  182. Pete Says:

    Rove's comment is proof libs are driving him crazy. He knows Bush is going down in history as a total buffoon, along with the people who voted for him, and needs to puff-up Bush's "intellect" in a failed attempt to salvage an embarrassing and humiliated legacy.


  183. ZPE Says:

    "Part of being a secure America is to encourage homeownership." -GWB [The Rhetoric]

    Today we see the sub-prime mortgage bubble imploding.
    [The Reality]


  184. ZPE Says:

    You snobs are just mad because Bush outsmarted you in 2006

    Darn, and I thought it was Rove that outsmarted the Democrats in 2006!


  185. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Bush, like any normal American, wanted to start an oil drilling corporation when he left Harvard Business School. As is the case with most working people, he needed millions in financing and got it from the bin Laden family. Isn't that the way everybody does it?

    Every normal American gets a chance to sit on the Carlile Group's corporate board and Bush is no different. He brought his folksy ways to the board and told jokes at meetings. And, like most Americans, he was asked to resign from the board because the CEO couldn't figure out what he was doing to help the company.

    Any normal American with a C-average can get into Harvard Business School. Don't believe me? Just try to get in.


  186. ZPE Says:

    Also everyone gets a tax break and a sports car.

    Comment by American Idiot

    But I can't afford the gas!!!


  187. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Most normal Americans who go to an elite prep school like Andover know that it's easy to get into Yale. I told my children over and over: don't flunk out, get at least a C average, and the Ivy League is there just waiting for you!


  188. GOPsmellsfunny Says:

    Christ. Now I have to wipe the vomit off my keyboard.


  189. olevet69 Says:

    Bush - a history major? A regular guy? Mister Middle America?
    1. No one with a sense of history would have screwed up the Middle East.

    2. Oh, to be sure, having the Prescott Bush money, owing the Texas Rangers - sure - he lives right down from me in the trailer park.

    3. He wouldn't know middle America if it came up a bit him on the butt.


  190. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Most elitist snobs with their fancy 60 hours a week jobs just don't get the folksy, down-home, normal American values of Kennebunkport.


  191. Jeannie See Says:

    His pet goat has more common sense than he does.


  192. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Karl Rove's example of Bush's encouraging, optimistic downhome rhetoric: "Don't worry. History will get it right and we'll both be dead."

    Brilliant! Just brilliant!


  193. HeavyJ Says:

    Funny, Rove used to speak English. I guess Bush had an influence on him, too.


  194. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    My prediction: after the 2008 election, Rove's name will be mud and Bush's will be Hoover.


  195. tom baker Says:

    ...because Rush's audience will, very literally, believe anything they hear, I'm going to start advertising on Rush's show my patented, revolutionary medicine that is 100% guaranteed to make anyone every bit as smart as geo. w bush!!!!!!

    (that's funny that turdboy basically said dubbie is all the things that those effete intellectuals are - makes them bad, makes him smarter than anyone - old turdy really understood how few cars in the logic train most righties are able to keep track of)

    now turdy can get back to his original passion - selling lemon used cars to old people for twice their book value.


  196. lib4 Says:

    Harvard MBA + Degree from Yale= Middle America


  197. Krazny Says:

    Bush has about as much in common with middle america as Andy Warhol.


  198. nanlichi Says:

    Pete #205, you are right on. Rove is selling the same old bs, how many times have they said that Boy George is just a good old guy, someone you would like to have a beer with?

    I would like to have a beer with the Chimp and Rove. Shove a long neck bud bottle in their propoganda chutes and bust it with a 9 iron. Then serve them both a big glass of syrup of Epicac.


  199. bilbobaggins Says:

    "You hate Bush because you’re a selfish, self-hating American who cheers for death in Iraq for cheap political points. YOU ARE EVIL.
    Comment by Hillary is a Communist"

    How old are you? You write like you are 12. Maybe you are mommy12 back in a new incarnation. You write at the same level he did.


  200. WaltTheMan Says:

    Comment by Bill — August 15, 2007 @ 5:40 pm

    That's the short list.


  201. wattstheproblem Says:

    funny how everyone damns oil yet majority of you drive and complain about the gas prices.


  202. wattstheproblem Says:

    I find it funny how no matter what is fact. It becomes a contests of who has more numbers or a longer lists or did the worst.

    I have to repeat myself. I do not like either party. The two party system is the sinking ship of this country. It divides us and will eventually sink us.

    When disagree why cannot it not be shame and facts instead of hate and anger.

    I just try to point out that how bad you slam the Reps., the Dems have done the same.

    A DIMES WORTH A DIFFERENCE.

    Stop following so blindly.


  203. corsair Says:

    Newt Gingrich said “none of you should believe we are winning this war. There is no evidence that we're winning. ... This is a phony war.”

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/8/3/122320.shtml?s=ic

    Conservative columnist William F. Buckley said, “One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp

    Republican Senator Chuck Hagel said “The reality is that we're losing in Iraq.”

    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050627/27bush.htm


  204. GSD Says:

    "Rove’s comment is proof libs are driving him crazy. He knows Bush is going down in history as a total buffoon, along with the people who voted for him, and needs to puff-up Bush’s “intellect” in a failed attempt to salvage an embarrassing and humiliated legacy.

    Comment by Pete — August 15, 2007"

    Bingo! Rove knows people think Bush is a shallow buffoon so Rover is now jettisoning the "good old boy who don't read the papers" talking point and is trying to appeal to the historians who will write Bush's legacy by claiming and I do mean claim that Bush is an intellect and a well read man.

    Funny as hell.

    -GSD


  205. Bob Says:

    What they don’t like about him is that he is common sense, that he is Middle America.” Limbaugh suggest that Bush critics are frustrated the the President “outsmarts ‘em.”

    What an understatement :)
    Center right is what American leans to, not looney left.


  206. Bob Says:

    Libtards would love to see Rove do jail time.
    It's only a dream.


  207. nanlichi Says:

    Common sense would say you should cover up the murder of Pat Tillman.

    No wait, is that common sense or a sick obscene political play?

    Oh, I am so confused. Help me out little Bobby? What would a center right leaning American do with evidence of murder? Shit on it and cover your tracks with Executive Privelege?

    Go blow the dog again, he's lonely.


  208. Empire Burlesque Says:

    It’s only a dream.

    Comment by Bob — August 15, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

    And you have inside knowledge on this?

    BTW, what's a "libtard"?


  209. tom baker Says:

    hey bob - I've got some awesome medicine that is guaranteed to make you 100% as smart as GWB - it's only $79.95 a bottle, shipped right to your door, and I do take credit cards, so you might want to get an order in while supplies last - all of my last shipment went directly to the American Enterprise Institute, and they're about to re-order, so act now, while supplies last!

    praise jesus!


  210. Empire Burlesque Says:

    Having listened to KKKar's reamrks, I think he's gonna do stand up. This stuff is hysterical.


  211. pete Says:

    Looks like TP has been deleting again. Sweeet. It's actually kind of fun to see the crap and watch it disappear. Too bad about the time, effort, and expense of fighting off vandals though. I hope they get things straightened out soon.

    Back on topic; I still think people have to pay close attention to "Herr Rove". I'm gravely concerned about what he will do next, how he intends to do it, and who he's planning on doing it to.

    Unless he's dying, or certain of being prosecuted resulting in being "fired", I can't imagine him "retiring".


  212. Bil Biloxi Says:

    "Rove argued Bush is far more intelligent than people give him credit for, and is 'one of the best-read people I’ve ever met' whose “passion is history."

    If Bush is all that and bag of chips, how come the clown gets all the latest information about this country from the newspapers? More important, if Bush was that intelligent as Tubby McTreason says, why was he given a NBC tape of the Katrina catastophe to view and waited for days to help the victim with help? With brains like that, who needs enemies? Oh and, Karl, we should be so proud of our intelligent-in-chief for our country being the hoppin town of a "booming economy". The banks are so glad for the overwhelming amount of foreclosured homes in this "hoppin" country.


  213. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    wattstheproblem: "funny how everyone damns oil yet majority of you drive and complain about the gas prices."

    Funny how at a time when we are held hostage by terrorist-supporting middle-eastern oil producers, congressional republicans gave tax breaks to people for buying huge gas guzzlers and took away tax breaks for buying fuel-efficient vehicles.


  214. madmac Says:

    karl, pass the dutchie on the left hand side. It works better this way.


  215. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Like most normal, folksy Americans, Bush, when told by his corporate attorneys that since he was a corporate board member, he shouldn't sell off his Harken stock or he'd be guilty of insider trading, sold his stock anyway.

    He had the down-home common sense to know that his Dad would derail any investigation by the SEC. Snobbish elitists just don't understand this.


  216. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Back in the 60's and 70's, snobbish, elitist draftees slogging through the mud in Viet Nam just didn't understand the danger members of the Texas Air National Guard subjected themselves to on a daily basis. If these snobs just had the common sense to have their Dads use political influence to secure Air National Guard positions for them, they could have distinguished themselves as the President did.


  217. axl Says:

    Bush is smarter than you believe. He won the most coveted job in the free world, and that makes you wimpies really angry. He beat retarded Al ( He really needs to wear earth tones) Gore, and cowardice John ( How do I look wind sailing?) Kerry. Bush was elected twice because the candidates sucked. Bill Clinton knew what he was doing, therefore getting votes from republican soccer moms. The democratic party better nominate a better canidate than Hillary. No presidential hopeful has ever won the presidency with below fifty percent positive numbers, EVER!

    If the republican party wants Hillary to be the candidate, that says a lot. Their not scared of her. You however should be if you hope for a progressive win.

    Comment by Johnny Swank — August 15, 2007 @ 5:18 pm

    When will you repukes catch up to the rest of America? So what about the percents of the past, this election is unique for many ways. It is time for a woman in the White House and you can't handle that.


  218. Matthew Says:

    Comment by corsair — August 15, 2007 @ 6:26 pm

    Thanks for the link at

    http://www.armchairsubversive.org/nmares.html

    You might find the program at the link below of interest as well:

    http://911blogger.com/node/10025


  219. paul Says:

    "When will you repukes catch up to the rest of America?"

    If you think republicans need to catch up, maybe you should ask this question amongst yourselves. "Why do we devote 95% of our energy in a futile effort to defame a man that isn't even on the ballot next year?"

    Isn't there an opportunity cost of giving the '08 republican candidates a free pass because you solely focus on Bush?

    I hope you keep after Bush. His a bad man. And he deserves all your attention. You'll probably get the impeachment you so badly want, if you just keep the pressure on him. Fight the good fight. I support you 100%.


  220. axl Says:

    This guy must be a reel to reel projector. He’s full of it.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

    I think you mean real projector troll.


  221. axl Says:

    This guy must be a reel to reel projector. He’s full of it.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

    R stands for rupuke right troll?


  222. Bil Biloxi Says:

    "karl, pass the dutchie on the left hand side. It works better this way."

    LMAO! Oh, that was funny.


  223. Uncle Ho Says:

    Col, Jack; snark! for the Teas ANG post. :-D


  224. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Don't worry, Paul. There's lots of time left. We'll get to your nominee soon enough. You've got a guy who was personally responsible for the deaths of over 300 firefighters and policemen, a b-level actor who divorced his wife of 25 years to marry a woman 3 years younger than his daughter, a guy who equates his sons working on his political campaign with the sacrifice of going to fight in Iraq, and a bunch of religious fanatics who don't believe in the science of evolution.

    This thread is about how elitist snobs don't understand the down-home folksy charm and regular-guy persona of a Andover-Yale-Harvard guy who's part of a family of legacies dating back to the 1840's, and who likes to dress in cowboy costumes but is afraid of horses.


  225. Alex Says:

    How dumb do you have to be to have someone else called your brain??? "And you are not ashame??? Carl "The Bush Brain" Rove"...


  226. ipod Says:

    are we sure rove is talking about the right bush? - maybe rush asked him about jeb by mistake......but,can jeb read?.....now i'm confused


  227. Zooey Says:

    Col Jack is kicking ass on this thread. :D


  228. huh Says:

    @swank # 144:

    I bet you say that about the Kennedy’s and Kerry’s too? When are you going to come up with something original?

    Nobody's trying to pass the Kennedys or Kerrys off as "middle America," you feeble-minded buffoon. But: hell yes, they are elites too. Why don't you admit the same about Bush?

    Huh is a perfect for you by the way.

    Whoa, cutting point there, whatever it is. I wonder if you have any inkling how stupid you appear.


  229. live Says:

    Gotta love Rove's use of "effete snobs" there. Yo Karl, channeling Spiro Agnew is probably not the wisest course at this point.


  230. Martin Gifford Says:

    Rove: 70% of Americans are ‘snobs’ who hate Bush's ‘common sense.’

    Why does Rove hate America?


  231. Jeffrey Stewart Says:

    President Dinkledorf's is more common that sense. For example, I continue to live by his nonsensical proclamation when gas prices were at their highest, "Don't buy gas if you don't need it."

    Brilliant!


  232. Dale Says:

    "Oh, sorry. Did I just say the president was one of the best read people I ever met? I should have been more specific. I meant President CLINTON.
    Sure, of course, George is an idiot."


  233. Lee Says:

    Sheesh! And I thought Bush kissed Rove's ass!


  234. UpFromTheSkies Says:

    Not only has Bush been channeling the crazy paranoia of Tricky Dick, but his chief architect Karl Rove is now channeling Spiro T. Agnew.


  235. Raven Says:

    "...people criticizing Bush are “sort of elite, effete snobs who can’t hold a candle to this guy. What they don’t like about him is that he is common sense, that he is Middle America.”

    Whereas, on the other hand, people supporting Bush are
    "sort of depleted, effluous slobs who hold guys candles.
    What they like about him is that he is uncommonly dense, and thinks he lives in Middle Earth.


  236. Marie Says:

    Hah! We have an illiterate, ignorant, uncouth oaf in the White House but Rove claims that people who make that observation are effete snobs.
    GWB was actually born with a silver spoon in his mouth (perhaps that accounts for his mangling of the language) his family is wealthy beyond belief, he was born in Connecticut, he went to Ivy League schools, and yet they believe the people who work for a living, but criticize Bush, are the elite ones.
    The love fest that must go on in the White House by those in the inner circle must be something to behold. All hail the king, all agree that he is omnipotent and omniscient, all hail our great leader. Rove has been spreading the bulls**t so long, it doesn't even stink to him any more.


  237. Proud and Progressive Says:

    Rove's talking out of his a**, as usual.


  238. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper Says:

    Hey, Zooey, thanks. You are kind.

    I almost forgot earlier. Bush had the simple common sense to get rid of Sammy Sosa. Most elite snobs don't understand what a drag Sosa was on the Rangers.


  239. dopesmoker Says:

    Karl Rove claimed that the people criticizing Bush are “sort of elite, effete snobs

    High school graduates who didn't marry their cousins.

    KKKarl is a guy you'd cross the street to avoid, he is so tough and intimidating presence. What are you up to in the bench press kkkarl?

    Boy George is what 5'10" and 180 pounds? What a scary sight that must be. I guess we'll see them both in tough man competitions and WWF soon. Boy george doesn't flex his muscles, he doesn't want to rip his suits to shreds.


  240. LibertyLover Says:

    Bush isn't middle America. I am middle America.
    And Bush may be intelligent, but he is very, very shallow. Common Sense? Ha. All for show. He may be politically savy on what it takes to win elections, or at least steal them correctly, but he has no clue on how to govern... even his own party members are finding that out.

    Rove is rewriting history just so George can read it.


  241. Regan Says:

    You people are all pathetic conspiracy theorists who believe whatever the media feeds you. Snobby does not mean rich. Rich does not mean evil. Snobby is what all of the people who call this president illiterate and ignorant are and really it should just be called lies since it would be pretty unlikely that a guy that graduated from Yale and Harvard business school would be illiterate. Oh wait though, he probably only made it out of those schools because some rich greedy oil barons bribed someone to get him through school. Ever consider that a guy who’s not getting head from an intern might have that timeslot in the day opened up to read a few pages? What’s a kid to do if he's born rich? Should he just blow his brains out since he’s already a bad person? Can you not gain any credit for being honorable just because you were born rich? Pull your heads out of your asses. The guy successfully governed Texas he’s the best candidate for the job running any country out there. You snobby elitist liberals don’t like that about him. You don’t like the fact that he is real and isn’t putting on a show. Go on though, keep being conspiracy theorists, and believe the crap the media spits out. Keep following a political party that requires America to lose in Iraq for their political campaigns to be successful.


  242. LibertyLover Says:

    Regan, are you aware, that in Texas, that the governorship is really just a figurehead postion, like what Bush is trying to make out of the Presidency? The Real power in Texas government is in the Lt. Governor's office. Anyone who grew up in Texas and had to study Texas politics knows that except Bush.
    Bush has ceded the Presidency to Cheney.


  243. pete Says:

    Regan, have you ever actually listened to the words that come out of his mouth?
    From the first time I heard him speak, I was unimpressed. And my impression of his intellect has suffered, immensely, ever since. Those are his own words.

    Unless the "librul Media" is doing a whale of a dubbing job; it should be apparent that intellect is not his strength.


  244. Typical Defeatocrat Says:

    Comment by Regan — August 15, 2007 @ 10:33 pm

    Funniest post of the week.


  245. Regan Says:

    No, Liberty, I was not aware of that. Kind of makes me wonder why the current Governor (former Lt. Governor (who I strongly dislike)) has been able to influence so much legislation. I grew up in Texas and don't recall having to take any class on Texas politics but I "had" to learn Texas history and I'm glad I did. Really, like most things that spew out of Bush haters' mouths this is just a distraction. The guy cares as much or more about the wellbeing of our country as any president ever has. I mean if he is so rich and privileged why would he want to put up with this crappy job, why would he want to deal with the lies and propaganda that gets said about him on a daily basis? Do you think he's that stupid? If all he cared about was his own interests he'd be sitting on the beach of some island somewhere living it up (actually he'd probably be in Texas). Get a grasp on reality, this guy is president because he loves American and wants us to prosper.


  246. Typical Defeatocrat Says:

    Comment by Regan — August 15, 2007 @ 11:04 pm

    Second funniest.


  247. RepublicansAreFascists Says:

    You don’t like the fact that he is real and isn’t putting on a show. Go on though, keep being conspiracy theorists, and believe the crap the media spits out.
    Comment by Regan

    Such predictable tripe from the Neocon talking-points memo.

    Do A LITTLE research TROLL and you find that Dumbya was such a lousy public speaker when TRYING to sound educated that Rove suggested he play up the redneck angle, WHICH HE AIN'T, and it shows. He still comes off like a little spoiled child who can't BELIEVE anybody would contradict him.

    F*CK HIM, AND YOU.


  248. Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Says:

    Get a grasp on reality, this guy is president because he loves American and wants us to prosper.

    Nope. He's an unamerican TRAITOR who wants his OIL BUDDIES to prosper from the DEATHS of US soldiers and innocent Iraqis.


  249. RepublicansAreFascists Says:

    Regan

    Too bad you couldn't even be promoted to "fluffer" on your last job...


  250. Later.. Says:

    Rove's first gig: speak at a black tie oil industry affair in Houston for a hundy. Right at home where he a hero forever (oil at 75 and no real energy policy to reverse it). Yeee haaa. Now that's Texas pride.

    Ya right, ya fat ____in pig.


  251. darla Says:

    my favorite line has to be: "he went to harvard, yale, he's middle america."

    are you f*cking kidding me?! harvard and yale?! that's middle america?

    and his family is hard core f*cking new england, to the core. bush is everything BUT middle america. and rove is the biggest liar on the planet....


  252. darla Says:

    how can rove get away with saying something so plainly false, so patently absurdly false--that george bush is 'middle america'--?

    answer: telling rush limbaugh's audience, who are, ironically, middle america.

    one of single greatest ironies in this generation of politics.....characterizing republicans, who come from extraordinary new england wealth and privilege, as somehow 'middle' american.

    karl rove is one of the most awful people i have ever known. only an awful person would out-and-out lie to 'middle america' like that. taking advantage of people's stupidity is simply sickening. it's, seriously, like manipulating retarded people for personal gain. trickery of the highest order.


  253. Kiki Says:

    One word: nuke-u-lar


  254. FunMe Says:

    Has bush finished reading My Pet Goat?

    No really, has he?

    ;-)


  255. LibertyLover Says:

    Bush has failed at every endeavor in his life, and if he didn't have his daddy's buddies to bail him out, he would still be under investigation for Securities Fraud for Harkins Petroleum.

    Is he stupid? Probably not, but I think that there is pathology there in regards to that Daddy dynamic. I can't understand what you see in him.

    But then again, some of my best friends have spouses that ... well, ya just gotta wonder what the attraction is. Do I think that Bush loves the country? Sure. Just like everyone on this thread does, and wants the best for America. But Just because you love something doesn't necessarily mean that you will always do the right thing by her or him.

    I think that Bush is Bad for this country. Just as I thought Reagan was. (and even though I voted for him once too.) He is putting us more at risk than he knows. In my gut. That's where I feel Bush's Presidency. It gives me knots.

    AS for the Governor of TX. Yep. He has a grand ol' bully pulpit, but then again The Lege only meets every couple of years, no?


  256. Dr Smirithiason Says:

    Regan, you are a breath of fresh air in this hallitosis like website. All I ever get on here is name calling and no real thought or open ideas. I wish people could write their opinions without calling me names etc just because I may not agree with them. I am interested in finding why liberal think the way they do, but never get anyone on here who wants to hold a real conversation.


  257. Keith Says:

    Born in Connecticut to rich, long-time politically powerful family. Summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine. Son of President. Grandson of Senator. Legacy to Massachusetts prep school. Legacy to Yale. Said his base was "the haves and the have-mores".

    Tries to get people in poor neighborhoods knocked off the voter rolls because he knows they vote for his opponent.

    When asked what his favorite books (plural) were as a child, he could only come up with The Very Hungry Caterpillar. The Very Hungry Caterpillar was not published until 1969, a year after W. had graduated from Yale.


  258. TC-14 Says:

    STEP 1: "Karl Rove claimed that the people criticizing Bush are “sort of elite, effete snobs who can’t hold a candle to this guy."

    STEP 2: "U.S. President George W Bush said he felt "great" on Monday, despite having fainted and fallen from a couch after choking on a pretzel over the weekend..."
    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1758848.stm


  259. curmudgeon Says:

    Does Laura reading him a bed-time story count, if he's following along (ala My Pet Goat)?

    There are hundreds of Little Golden Books available, so it would be easy to knock off at least one a day, just before being tucked in for the night. And during those rare evenings that he decides to stay up a little later, maybe Laura would agree to a double feature.

    Curiously (or not), Rove made no mention of what Bubble Boy was purportedly reading. Why didn't Rush ask?


  260. curmudgeon Says:

    What a great coverup for being stupid and too lazy to use the brain cells that have survived repeated assaults with alcohol and drugs!

    Have your number one shill go out, telling the world how absolutely brilliant you are, adding that your playing dumb is just part of an act.

    Many others who are similarly afflicted must be wishing they'd thought of this strategy a long time ago.


  261. Manuel Says:

    Wasn't this the same Bush who once said "I don't read history, I make it !!" ??


  262. WC Says:

    Comment by Dr Smirithiason — August 16, 2007 @ 12:05 am

    So you have been here before? Under a different name, I presume, as I have never seen your current ID.

    As for real conversation, you apparently haven't spent enough time here. You can find it from Wayne or Jane Schneider (sp?), Zooey, GSD, Democratic Soldier, Briseadh na Faire (sp?), Marie, Sharon, Bruce Gorton, and many others whose names I cannot think of right off hand. Oh, and your post at 12:05am looks like the first one in this thread of 261 posts. Not trying much to have a conversation, are ye?


  263. Dr. S Says:

    Does that mean that 75 percent of American citizens are "elite, effete snobs"? Doesn't "elite" imply a minority? After all, everyone can't be elite, or elite would be "normal."

    So maybe criticizing Bush is normal.

    By the way, who else but a snob uses the word "effete"?


  264. Druthers Says:

    If criticizing Bush-Cheney makes one a snob, then YES I want to be one. I am one! I'll go on being one until hell freezes over. Join me all you freedom loving snobs out there. Let's make those geezers our punching bag and say tomaato. I don't mind being a snob for the Constitution.


  265. Johnson's Dog Says:

    The only thing "common" about Bush is his love of fecal and flatulence references, which he shares with Karl. Bush is not a common man; he's a stupid and undeserving multi-millionaire who in a pure meritocracy would be emptying garbage cans.


  266. glennk Says:

    That he's saying all this on fascist central talk radio is a little like BV$H giving speeches at military bases. This guy is scum sucking bastard and anyone who believes a word he utters is a fool or worse a knave.


  267. TC Says:

    Middle America, huh? Most middle Americans I know don't have compunds in Kennebunkport and never owned a baseball team or an oil well. Geesh.


  268. Carlos Bandera Says:

    Carl Rove is a jerk. He has manipulated a nation and he has the blood of tens of thousands of people on his hands. To bad there isn't a hell... he'd be going!


  269. T Says:

    Middle America? Oh please, this git has more money than all of "middle America" combined, so what the heck if Rove going on about?
    He wouldn't know "middle America" if it hit him in the gut!
    And anyone with rich parents can get into Yale and Harvard and have their daddy buy them a degree. It happens all of the time!


  270. D Smith Says:

    Why is Rove insulting people from middle America?


  271. larry Says:

    doesn't matter. Rove is gone. Bush will be soon. No one is listening anymore.


  272. Thomas Mc Says:

    Since when is the richest 1% "middle America?"


  273. Gene Says:

    Bush is taking the lessons he larned from redin'
    "The Fall of The Roman Empire" and "The Fall of The Third Reich " and applying them to the downfall of the US.


  274. bleat my little fool bleat Says:

    "There's an old saying in Tennessee..."

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/youtube/bushfoolme.htm


  275. Frybread Says:

    So the guy who chugs Budweisers at my local bar and wears a Denver Broncos cap is an elite, effete snob? So Bush -- who grew up a rich preppy -- is Middle America?


  276. teak Says:

    These idiots continue to believe the Chimperor has New Clothes. Rove will be spitting out this garbage til the day he dies, he's become brainwashed with his own crap.


  277. teak Says:

    Oh, and if they're both so well-read, it's too bad one of them didn't read the next chapter of American history called the PROGRESSIVE era, that period when the American people and liberal politicians rebelled against the Robber Barons, brought them under control and ended the Gilded Age.


  278. javier Says:

    tell rove to get a degree, then tell me who is smart.


  279. Sean Says:

    The book of ABC's and 123's doesn't count.


  280. geonorth Says:

    I don't know why Bush, Cheney, Rove and their ilk hate Americans so much. They may say otherwise, but their record shows that disdain on everything they have done in the last seven years from weakening our rights to killing our finest with his war of choice to selling our economy off to China to letting our cities crumble and stacking the rest of the game in favor of their buddies . And when we object, they call us names. Who elected creeps?


  281. DallasNE Says:

    Hey Karl, if Bush is so damn smart, as you claim, how come this country has so many serious unsolved problems, be it Iraq, Katrina, immigration, health care --- you name it.

    It seems to me that the more apt description is worst President ever.


  282. Frybread Says:

    #280: Who elected these creeps? The same people who not only hate others but hate themselves. The same people who would shoot you in the back for being a liberal before they would drop their Jack Daniels bottle.


  283. truthfairy Says:

    i'd rather be a libtard than a bobtard -


  284. Buckley Says:

    Apparently, Rove is moving on to stand-up comedy. Good for him. He's quite funny.


  285. Jim Says:

    Andover, Yale, Skull and Bones, yup... just an ordinary guy. The only thing ordinary is his mediocre mind. Karl is delusional but that's not news to anyone.


  286. Jay Says:

    I hope that when Rove mentions "middle America"...he really means the middle of the top 1 percent wage earners in America. Because that might be true.


  287. Jimbo Says:

    Correct Karl!! And up is down, left is right, 2+2=7, black is white and thank you for smoking!!


  288. Trii Says:

    I think we just heard the thesis of Rove's book on Bush he is planing to write. Yawn.


  289. charles belenchia Says:

    This creep(ROVE) should be in prison,,local,,state,,federal .No one has done more damage to this country than this CREATURE..NO ONE....I blame the person that brought him into the fold and that is BUSH 1...Proud of yourself,,,BUSH 1??..........................Charles Belenchia


  290. warren beard Says:

    Karl needs to give it a rest. The only thing Bush knows about middle America is that those are the people he wants fighting his war. Clinton is right, he is a Republican, and as such America the national entity means more to him than any "invisible" living here--excluding his family and cronies. His policy has been to lead by division, i.e. divide and conquer. They polarize the middle class over homosexuality and religion, and this allows them cover for their economic policies that enrich the aristocracy. I do agree however that Bush does effectively use the "village idiot" persona.

    Republicans argue that support for the state will "trickle down" to the people, and Democrats argue that support for the people will uplift the state. In short Republicans want a trough and Democrats want free grazing. The trough leads to social Darwinsim because only the fittest can elbow the room necessary to feed. Rove would have you believe everyone gets to eat at the trough, but the trough is the very buffer that allows the aristocracy. And even though they are pigs there is still a "dress code" at the trough; in other words you must look and act a certain way to be given access to feed.


  291. Bill175 Says:

    "He keeps sayin', 'hey, I'm the leader of the Free World'!!"

    Like it's a joke. Like he's in 8th grade and his parents let him stay home alone. What a tragedy this whole administration is.


  292. sandy Says:

    I see rove is revving up the smear machine, what a piece of crap.


  293. Book report requested Says:

    Sounds like Rove and Bush are Olympic Bookworms! What exactly did Bush read ? Can Bush give us a book report ? Bet He Can't RECALL what he read!Too bad Bush put aside the documents "Binladden determined to attack" And the U.S. Constitution. I would sooner believe Bush read My Pet Goat 94 times, in an effort to finally understand what he had read.Than believe Bush read a single book in his entire life!


  294. Franky Says:

    It has been said over and over again: when we have leadership by heredity not ability we get an ass instead of a lion. Rove, for all of his Machiavellian genius, is just another mule pulling with the team.

    The public wants what the public gets.

    OBoy


  295. James Says:

    Up is down. Black is white. Rove's favorite psychological insight - repeat a lie often enough and people begin to assume it must be true.


  296. SuzanneNYC Says:

    Obviously leaving the White House is allowing Rove to be Rove. Spending more time with his family, my foot! Dems should be on the alert. This is just the beginning, and it's not going to get better. He's going to be the Repub attack dog from now until 2008. Dems had better get their response machine going. Let's hope they don't make Kerry's mistake allowing his comments to go unchallenged.


  297. AG Says:

    It's this administration's willingness to peddle nonsense like this as "truth" that causes me to wonder why they don't legalize marijuana. Because we'd all have to be high to believe stuff and nonsense like this.


  298. James Says:

    I see that the perennial right-wing smear of (D)Rep. Barney Frank, who just happens to be gay, has made its way here. A few facts - I know, facts have a well-known liberal bias - Frank tried to help a young gay man living on the streets by taking him in. He took advantage of Frank's hospitality by using his residence to prostitute himself. Frank asked him to leave. End of the scandalous story. No good deed shall go unpunished. Anyway, doesn't quite compare to (R) Rep. Foley's sleazy e-mails, does it?.


  299. Ray Says:

    "He has a passion for history"???

    That must be Nazi history relating to his family. He learned it from his grandfather and his father. The rest, as he said before, is only a coma.


  300. Joe T. Says:

    "Common sense"???

    Yeah, I guess if your objective is to destroy America's reputation in the world, decimate the strength of our armed forces, precipitate massive bloodshed in a foreign civil war, unify and embolden our enemies, destroy the environment, hobble the middle class and create more poor people, yes, I guess Bush has a lot of common sense.


  301. LiberalRebel Says:

    "That...you know...can't hold a candle to this guy..because, you know..I helped fill him so full of shit that he would easily take fire and indiscriminately burn up towards oblivion come."

    Well, we gave these clowns a whole lot of credits to a humongous amount of doubts, handed Bush and Rove so much slack of rope that in the end...they hung all of us with it


  302. Jeff Says:

    I'm not an effete "Upper East Side" snob. I think George Bush is a moron. So does everyone else in my "middle America", middle-class neighborhood. There goes Karl's theory.

    George Bush also brags about being a C student. So whose fault is it that everyone thinks the guy is less than average in intelligence?


  303. Jeff Says:

    RemoveBush - shouldn’t you be killing babies or something?

    Comment by Hillary is a Communist — August 15, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

    Hillary,

    Shouldn't you be in Iraq supporting your boyfriend George's war?


  304. KG Prophet Says:

    If Bush is such a smart guy...how come he never once, never ONCE, sounded anything other than an idiot in public. Where is the evidence of intelligence?


  305. John Says:

    The talk of Nazis and Rove's ancestry only brings things down to a junior high-school level. Like it or not, for all his odiousness, Rove is an American. One of his teachers is certainly Goebbels but two others are Machiavelli and Orwell.


  306. BG Says:

    This is just part of the dividing and splintering tactics Rove has always used, and will continue to use, sadly.

    He's playing class warfare, pitting 'them' versus 'us.' Yes, smart, educated, opinionated people who actually care about the direction this nation has gone in the last 6+ years are unpatriotic, stupid, misguided and snobbish.

    It's actually his part of the political world that thumbs their noses at the rest of the country--trampling the Constitution, lying to Congress and the American people, wreaking havoc in the Middle East. He has long taken advantage of the fear-prone, uneducated, jingoistic masses. This is just more of the same, and some prepwork for '08.


  307. Marie Says:

    Rove plays stupidly into the cliche about the Midwest that they're slow, at least 10 years behind the times, and gullible. Indeed Bush is the perfect candidate for such a mindset, but I'd like to give the people of the center of our country more credit. Now it's up to them to prove me wrong. Maybe next time a war mongering draft dodger with bad hair shows up in a private jet they'll turn their backs and say "It's my country, not yours" and run him out of town on a rail. There's nothing more elitist than saying to a large segment of the population "See, we've got this little war we want to fight. We're not going to tell you the truth because we don't think you're smart enough to understand. Just give us your warm bodies to do with as we like and when we're done with them don't bother calling. We'll already be partying with the rest of wealthy white folks we work for at some corporate glut fest. And excuse me? You think any of our kids should be put in harms way? I don't think so? That's why we give each other tax breaks. We're wealthy and we got that way by fooling schmucks like you."


  308. Kal Says:

    What's so middle America about arrogance, ignorance and lying?

    If Bush is well read why does he not know anything? Why does he fail to speak native English? Why is his vocabulary that of a 3rd grader?


  309. andy phx Says:

    I never understood why people waste their time engaging shit eaters like Hillary is a communist. Heshe is a troll who love to touch little girls/boys. Just ignore herhim. They know the democrats will retain the congress and Hillary will be president and they're going ape shit about it. It's not just Hillary they hate it's the fact that she's a she. The only thing they would hate more is if a black man became president.


  310. Moondancer Says:

    AustinSF:

    ROVE + Alabama Scandal(s) = August Abrupt Resignation + Jail Time for TURD Blossom

    READ THIS FOLKS >

    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000351

    Thanks for the great read! One of the best articles I've read in a long time. And, I like your "math!"


  311. BluMagoo Says:

    Has a "passion for history" ...really, now...then why is GWB always intent on rewriting or twisting it to fit his needs? Rove did not graduate from college nor has he aquired any true wisdon/knowledge along his "career path" ...he has only gathered more cunning, conniving, and cruelty along the way.


  312. Anne Chandler Says:

    Right. Bush reads.
    Right. He's middle American. That's why he was born to a wealthy Republican, East Coast WASP family who bought his way into Yale and Harvard.

    If Bush is so middle American, Rove, why does he have a phony Texas drawl? Where did that come from anyway? Certainly not the private schools he went to on the East Coast.

    And what books did he read? Golden Books? Go, Dick go. Go. Go. Go.

    Rove, you are over. You're a fool and you're dreaming if you think we believe anything that comes out of your fat, doughy mouth. Go Karl Go. You're done. Done. Done.


  313. Andrew Says:

    This has been around awhile...

    During the 1988 vice-presidential debates, Dan Quayle told how his grandmother (a multimillionaress) once told him he could grow up to become anything he wanted to be. There was much laughter in the studio audeince, and Quayle paused and said (and I parapharse) "Democrats laugh at that because it's common sense, common American sense."


  314. Buddy Rich Says:

    Rush and Karl, two peas in a pod. Both are total losers who never got over the formative years when they had no friends and never got laid.


  315. Paul Says:

    Do you see it? Rove is a master at ruthlessly playing on the multitude of unconscious reactive patterns in Americans in ways that no Democrat would ever consider, because most every Democrat is more conscious (enlightened). This is a cyclical pattern that has played out for thousands of years, but one which seems to be intensifying in our world now.

    The only way to actually address this is to become more awake and to help wake up our fellow Americans out of the excessive mind patterns to which they are enslaved. This is the causal level. Attempts at all other levels will simply add to the reactive cycles.

    Suggestion: Start by listening to The Power of Now and see where you are and who you are.

    -Good luck, my friends.


  316. curmudgeon Says:

    If Chimpy exemplifies what Middle America is all about, if there are any terrorists out there who wish for the demise of this country, all they need is a little patience. They can just sit back, enjoy some popcorn and watch this once-great country collapse into a huge pile of toxic waste.


  317. cjcrew Says:

    Georgie couldn't outsmart the rocks I have in my yard. The only people he's managed to outsmart are those who live under those rocks.

    Middle America? Give me a break, no trust fund baby ever grows up to be "Middle" anything except maybe the middle child. George W Bush is a spoiled, pampered rich kid who never had to clean up after himself. He won't be cleaning up the mess he made of this country either, he's determined to leave it for the next president.

    Jealous? I thank God every day that I'm not him.


  318. dissentshun Says:

    GWB is no great orator. Still, I have a feeling we underestimate this guy an awful lot. He's done a lot in his life, not to mention getting elected President twice. If you look at all the negative comments posted herein, you just know there is more animosity than thoughtful judgement going on.
    Rove is his bud, so he will say good things no matter what. We attribute GWB's success to daddy B all the time, but JFK would never have become President were it not for his dad. Anyways, enough of the reality check, we're free to pan him even if it gets unreal at times.


  319. S. Jones Says:

    GWB has a history of drinking maybe.

    Reading comic books doesn't count


  320. impeachbush Says:

    Wow --

    Rove doesn't sound like he's such a happy guy!
    Something seems to be bothering him --
    maybe he got a little push out the door re the Plame scandal?

    Claims that it was Rove/Gannon in the White House also seem to be nagging at him?

    And the hatred for 75% of America is clear -- because we know!

    The Bush's aren't "Middle Americans," they are criminals wherever they live.


  321. null Says:

    ROVE ISN'T AS BULLETPROOF AS HE THINKS HE IS. HE'S NOW THE SNIPER WHO MAY GET SNIPED....BIG TIME,


  322. obstreperous1 Says:

    “sort of elite, effete snobs who can’t hold a candle to this guy. What they don’t like about him is that he is common sense, that he is Middle America.”

    Anyone watching the corporate welfare and tax cut distribution in this country knows exactly who is elite and effete and who is definitely NOT Middle America. Classic Rove BS


  323. Elaine Says:

    wow, I see that King Karl Rove stepped on many toes. I like the guy myself. He's a cool dude...Every since Karl Rove threw a few grenades hilliary clinton way, the clinton campaign went into silence...I know what, the cat got ya tounge, right hilliary clinton. the clinton camp is very quite now...shut ya mouth then


  324. Rinx Says:

    Karl Rove is a genius. He walks out of his office and instantly devalues the most useless sources of news and values the primary news-opinion show in America. It was a sign that the main liberal mass media is now secondary to news (and they always reported news as if they were third rate). Then Rove makes this statement and knows precisely what he is doing; telling the truth and poking a hornets nest.

    Liberals are like hornets - small, ineffectual, scattered, and only worrisome in mass. He stirred them up so bad it was hilarious. That guy knows how to entertain real people.



Jump to Top

About Think Progress | Contact Us | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy (off-site) | RSS | Donate
© 2005-2009 Center for American Progress Action Fund
View Most Popular

Advertisement

What We're About

Featured

image
Subscribe to the Progress Report



imageTopic Cloud


Visit Our Affiliated Sites

image image
Reports


Got a hot tip?
Have a hot news tip? We'd love to hear from you. Use the form below to send us the latest.

Name:
Email:
Tip:
(required)


imageArchives


imageBlog Roll