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Soltz: Cheney ‘out to lunch’ on protecting America.

This afternoon on MSNBC Hardball, Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz of VoteVets debated Sal Russo of the right-wing Move America Forward about the merits of Dick Cheney’s national security views. Soltz argued Cheney was “out to lunch when it comes to protecting America, supporting the military, destroying al Qaeda.” Russo responded, “Dick Cheney is one of the finest men that I’ve ever met.” Soltz shot back, “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.” Watch it:

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567 Responses to “Soltz: Cheney ‘out to lunch’ on protecting America.”

  1. Raven says:

    Jon Soltz for Secretary of Defense ‘08


  2. kdoug says:

    Dick Cheney is a madman. He doesn’t listen to himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY&eurl=


  3. Britisher says:

    soltz said it all!!


  4. arse poetica says:

    Ex.Actly. More like Soltz, please.


  5. Uosdwis says:

  6. Probus says:

    Soltz’s reply to this right wing hack was extremely eloquent. Cheney has his own agenda and this agenda doesn’t include protecting Americans or looking out for the troops. If Cheney cared for the troops he would have made sure that they had the body armor, the up armored humvees and equipment. If he cared for the troops he wouldn’t have sent them to fight a war of choice. Soltz having served in combat has more credibility than Cheney or this guy.


  7. Spudge_Boy says:

    “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.”

    Same thing can be said about our resident trolls.


  8. Bobwurst says:

    Dr Dog licks himself.


  9. wattstheproblem says:

    Even though I dont care for Cheney. I do believe Sotlz is a shill for the dems.


  10. wattstheproblem says:

    Bobwurst are you jealous of Dr Dog


  11. Bobwurst says:

    “Russo responded, ‘“Dick Cheney is one of the finest men that I’ve ever met.’”

    This may be true, but think how evil all the other men russo has met.


  12. RUCerious says:

    Russo responded, “Dick Cheney is one of the finest men that I’ve ever met.”
    In the men’s room.


  13. Bobwurst says:

    re # 11

    Well, if I could spend the day chasing my tail and licking my balls, I’d be a republican too.


  14. Luis M says:

    Sotlz is a democrat shill, nothing more.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

    So, you don’t give a damn about him fighting on the ground on Iraq?

    Why do you hate the U.S. troops?


  15. wattstheproblem says:

    Bobwurst….so u are jealous.


  16. RUCerious says:

    Why do you hate the U.S. troops?

    Comment by Luis M — August 15, 2007 @ 6:50 pm

    Ummmm.. Cause he’s a classic neocolon chickensparrow.


  17. Arthur C. says:

    Sotlz is a democrat shill, nothing more.

    Which makes you… what? A shill for failed policy and a failed President.


  18. mizuno says:

    Great tactical spin Luis M…just like a liberal and a conservative


  19. Bobwurst says:

    re 16,

    I think I already responded, what didn’t you understand?


  20. NeoOstrakon says:

    OUCH! How can ANYONE watch this and not be impressed by Stolt’s command of the subject as opposed to the tired, old and hollow argument that these are very decent people who are allways right because they say they are allways right. All evidence to the contrary.


  21. Probus says:

    Soltz served his country in combat. Cheney got 5 deferments. Soltz has more credibility than Cheney on the Iraq war.


  22. mizuno says:

    Bobwurst…Let me clarify, I asked, “are you jealous?”


  23. wattstheproblem says:

    Mizuno are you trying to take away my fun?


  24. timeisart says:

    It’s a matter of fact, not opinion, that Dick Cheney is not a “fine man.” It is a matter of fact, not opinion, that Dick Cheney’s so called war on terror stratedy is incompetent, dangerous and directly contradicts statements he made in 1993 about the wisdom of proceeding to Baghdad and taking out Saddam under the first Bush disaster, GHW Bush.


  25. michael says:

    Jon Soltz doesn’t have a solution? Sounded pretty solutioney to me.


  26. ronjazz says:

    If Soltz is a Democratic shill, then Bush and Cheney are Al Qaeda leaders.


  27. wattstheproblem says:

    Now, how was the first Bush invasion of Iraq a disaster…curious?


  28. mizuno says:

    Great, great observation ronjazz…gotta remember that one.


  29. michael says:

  30. joe cantwell says:

    the trolls are crying. again.


  31. ronjazz says:

    All illegal, immoral, unnecessary invasions of Iraq or any other sovereign nation that is no threat to the USA are disasters.

    who turned on the RATwing stupid spigot?


  32. katy says:

    “Dick Cheney is one of the finest men that I’ve ever met.”

    evidently a tiny circle of acquaintances,
    but what does that have to do with
    “protecting America, supporting the military, destroying al Qaeda.” ?

    soltz reply was most excellent…

    MORE! MORE!


  33. axl says:

    Sotlz is a democrat shill, nothing more.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

    Says the top dawg, right?


  34. G Whiz says:

    Just another fat, gray-haired old fart spreading lies about another old fart sitting in our White House.

    One of the “finest” men he’s ever met?

    What a f*****g lie.


  35. wattstheproblem says:

    and the Enablers are being nasty again….the never ending cycle.

    The slow destruction of American by the two party system


  36. Probus says:

    The Iraq war is Bush’s failed legacy. He is the worst president in history. Iraq war is the worst foreign policy disaster in US history.


  37. wattstheproblem says:

    Till the next one comes along.


  38. wattstheproblem says:

    but some how it will be blamed on the other party, usually the Reps.


  39. Empire Burlesque says:

    #

    but some how it will be blamed on the other party, usually the Reps.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:09 pm

    Gee, seems like you’re playing the “Poor Little Me” victim card here.


  40. Tom says:

    Why do Iraq war vets hate America?


  41. Zooey says:

    Soltz shot back, “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.”

    SMACK!!!

    Finally, someone who says what needs saying.


  42. gummitch says:


    Soltz shot back, “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.”

    SMACK!!!

    Finally, someone who says what needs saying.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

    I would have preferred “You’re a pompous windbag” but I’ll take this.


  43. RUCerious says:

    Note the sudden lull in troll traffic?
    The shift change gives us a short window of fresh air.


  44. RUCerious says:

    Oh Crap, spoke too soon.


  45. upside00 says:

    This may be true, but think how evil all the other men russo has met.

    Comment by Bobwurst

    Gezuss! Can you imagine how evil his own Pappy must have been! Shudder!


  46. gummitch says:

    Has anybody seen any proof that Soltz actually did serve in Iraq?

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/3yvtkz

    You’re pathetic.


  47. RUCerious says:

    Jon Soltz is a leader of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans community and is originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division. During 2005, Soltz was mobilized for 365 days at Fort Dix New Jersey, training soldiers for combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also served his country with distinction in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000. Soltz is a graduate of Washington & Jefferson College with dual degree in Political Science and History. He has completed graduate work at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public and International Affairs.

    Dr DogShit once again, steps, then wallows in it.


  48. upside00 says:

    Who let mr p out of the basment again? Thought he had choked on his own Cheeto-laden vomit a few days ago.


  49. axl says:

    Has anybody seen any proof that Soltz actually did serve in Iraq?

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    John Sotlz is an Iraqi war veteren he knows that we have to leave Iraq troll. This is a unjust war we don’t belong there leave the Iraq to the Iraqis.


  50. shane says:

    Even though I dont care for Cheney. I do believe Sotlz is a shill for the dems.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

    Yeah, HE’s the shill. Way to support the troops.


  51. upside00 says:

    John Sotlz is an Iraqi war veteren he knows that we have to leave Iraq troll. This is a unjust war we don’t belong there leave the Iraq to the Iraqis.

    Comment by axl

    Don’t feed mr p/doggie dung. He will go away soon.


  52. Zooey says:

    I would have preferred “You’re a pompous windbag” but I’ll take this.
    Comment by gummitch — August 15, 2007 @ 7:20 pm

    If things keep going the way they’re going, we’ll get there soon enough. :-D


  53. shane says:

    Bobwurst…Let me clarify, I asked, “are you jealous?”

    Comment by mizuno — August 15, 2007 @ 6:55 pm

    Mizuno are you trying to take away my fun?

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 6:58 pm

    When you make a name changing mistake could you just buck up and take it like a man instead of wasting all our time with you trying to cover your ass. Nobody cares.


  54. Zooey says:

    Has anybody seen any proof that Soltz actually did serve in Iraq?
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    Look it up.


  55. wattstheproblem says:

    Shane

    Just like I told the previous “Support the Troops” liberal slogan when they find one that sides with them. But if they don’t. They are shills for the Reps, right?

    Two party system. Again killing America Slowly.


  56. GSD says:

    How dare anyone insult our Dear Dick Cheney! Stephen Hayes said Cheney is only unpopular because he doesn’t get enough media airtime from the mean IslamofascistgayliberalMedia.

    -GSD


  57. shane says:

    All of you have too see this.
    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/59488

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm

    WARNING, anybody following one of idiot michaels links will only end up aggravated. Please ignore this vile, stalking troll.


  58. Jim says:

    Did anyone make out what Russo muttered at the end, after Tweety told him, essentially, that CHeney is an idiot (which, btw, is the most infrequently mentioned obvious fact in politics)?

    Sounded like “unbelievable”


  59. wattstheproblem says:

    Shane

    Take what like a man. Mizuno is my buddy from Calif. Once again another liberal conspiracy theorist.


  60. shane says:

    who turned on the RATwing stupid spigot?

    Comment by ronjazz — August 15, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

    They don’t have a spigot, just a leaky drip, drip, drip that needs to be stopped.


  61. bilbobaggins says:

    “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.”

    Ouch! That must have hurt. What a perfect rejoinder. Jon Stoltz is one cool dude. I like him much better than Paul Reihcoff.

    “Even though I dont care for Cheney. I do believe Sotlz is a shill for the dems.”

    I get it. You tell the truth about what is going on in Iraq and you are a “shill for the dems”. You lie about what is going on in Iraq you are a patriot. Black is white, up is down. I don’t know about you, but I’m getting dizzy here.


  62. Rujax! says:

    Hi my name is “wattstheproblem”.

    I’m a concern troll.


  63. shane says:

    One of the “finest” men he’s ever met?

    What a f*****g lie.

    Comment by G Whiz — August 15, 2007 @ 7:04 pm

    Russo’s new name, Pinnochio, since his nose grew 5 inches before the interview was over. Makes him eligible to work along side Jeff Gannon at the White House though.


  64. axl says:

    All of you have too see this.
    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/59488

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm

    WARNING, anybody following one of idiot michaels links will only end up aggravated. Please ignore this vile, stalking troll.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 7:31 pm

    Michael is a racist troll!


  65. wattstheproblem says:

    no, bilbogaggins,

    No matter what you say from Iraq…one side is gonna say LIAR…and oh yeah, so it the other side…

    splitting American in two….playing us all like fools…both sides.


  66. Zooey says:

    WARNING, anybody following one of idiot michaels links will only end up aggravated. Please ignore this vile, stalking troll.
    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 7:31 pm

    Shane, this is “daytime michael.”

    The idiot stalker is “nighttime michael.” He links to Ann Coulter’s site. Ugh.


  67. axl says:

    If Soltz were really in the military, he wouldn’t be slandering our troops like that.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:34 pm

    Soltz cares about the troops more then Bush, he was one troll!


  68. shane says:

    The slow destruction of American by the two party system

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:04 pm

    Uh oh, here comes the profascist movement againg. Now it’s the two party system the Nazis need to protect America from. TREASON, PURE AND SIMPLE.


  69. wattstheproblem says:

    Hi I am Rujax…I follow blindly all progressive media as truth. Don’t care about the source. Just follow it like a sheep.


  70. Ringo says:

    Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz of VoteVets debated Sal Russo of the right-wing Move America Forward about the merits of Dick Cheney’s national security views.
    ———————————————————————————-

    Let me fix that for you:
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    Iraq war veteran Jon Soltz of the left-wing VoteVets debated Sal Russo of the right-wing Move America Forward about the merits of Dick Cheney’s national security views.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    There you go.


  71. wattstheproblem says:

    Shane….great…now I am fascist because I don’t follow the left liars or the right liars….

    Thanks for clarifying…sheep!


  72. SKdeA says:

    I think he was uttering “I’m a weevil”…


  73. shane says:

    Dr DogShit once again, steps, then wallows in it.

    Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 7:24 pm

    Dr. DogShit is a pig. Good catch, sir.


  74. axl says:

    Soltz…was one troll!

    Comment by axl

    I agree that Soltz is a troll.

    But I doubt he ever served anywhere, let alone Iraq.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

    Thats not what I said and you know it!


  75. Zooey says:

    I want to see proof. Otherwise he’s just another lying liberal.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:32 pm

    Look it up yourself, dingleberry.


  76. bilbobaggins says:

    ” Iraq war is the worst foreign policy disaster in US history.
    Comment by Probus “

    God I wish people would stop calling what is going on in Iraq a “war”. It ceased to be a war when combat operations ended. Now it is an occupation of a country that is in the middle of a Civil War. And, there is no way to win an occupation. General Betrayus even admits it. He said the other day that he thinks we will need to “occupy” Iraq for another 9-10 years for it to be stable.

    What gives us the right to occupy another country? If China invaded our country, was occupying our country and telling us how to behave and how to run our government, every person in this country would be fighting them tooth and nail. How is what we have done and are doing in Iraq any different?


  77. wattstheproblem says:

    Soltz did serve in Iraq…From May to September 2003. He hasnt been back in 4 years from what I can gather.


  78. shane says:

    Two party system. Again killing America Slowly.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:30 pm

    FASCIST!


  79. katy says:

    Note the sudden lull in troll traffic?
    The shift change gives us a short window of fresh air.
    Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    Oh Crap, spoke too soon.
    Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    happens every time… heh…


  80. gummitch says:

    I want to see proof. Otherwise he’s just another lying liberal.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:32 pm

    You do realize that absolutely no one gives a sh!t what you think or what you want?


  81. axl says:

    Comment by axl

    Don’t feed mr p/doggie dung. He will go away soon.

    Comment by upside00 — August 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm

    Are you talking about the troll Dr. Dog?


  82. shane says:

    Take what like a man. Mizuno is my buddy from Calif. Once again another liberal conspiracy theorist.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:32 pm

    You f*cked up on your name changing. Only other neocons are dumb enough to believe your lies.


  83. Zooey says:

    His own site is not a reputable source.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

    Whatever. Look it up yourself, lazy.


  84. axl says:

    f*** off Dr. Dog troll!


  85. Empire Burlesque says:

    Let me fix that for you:
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    There you go.

    Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

    “Let me fix that for you…”

    Stealing people’s material, I see…


  86. wattstheproblem says:

    Bilbo…I agree with what most of what you said but I do not recall the Iraqis, in majority, wanting us to leave, right?

    I believe they want us to stay until situation are more stable. Hell, we are still in Germany, Japan and many other countries.


  87. Wayne says:

    breaking : Iraqi officials: Truck bombings killed at least 500

    The death toll in the suicide bombings Tuesday in northern Iraq has risen to at least 500, local officials in Nineveh province said Wednesday.


  88. barfly says:

    “If you can’t prove it, it’s a lie. Pure and simple.”

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Thank you, for acknowledging that the reasons we went to war were bogus.


  89. Nat says:

    Has anybody seen any proof that Soltz actually did serve in Iraq?
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    Has anybody seen any proof that Dr Dog is indeed human? He appears to be bestial.


  90. wattstheproblem says:

    Shane…

    You are only smart enough to think I changed my name. How is that? Is that what you have been doing? A LIAR WOULD KNOW!…sheep


  91. shane says:

    Shane, this is “daytime michael.”

    The idiot stalker is “nighttime michael.” He links to Ann Coulter’s site. Ugh.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 7:35 pm

    Oops, thanks Z, sorry daytime michael. I don’t read any troll links so I didn’t know.


  92. barfly says:

    Dems should have spoke up before the war, not after.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    They did.


  93. katy says:

    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/59488
    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm

    WARNING, anybody following one of idiot michaels links will only end up aggravated. Please ignore this vile, stalking troll.
    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 7:31 pm

    *** shane – there happen to be two “michael”s on this board…
    i don’t know how, but good-michael is good…
    troll-michael’s name links to coultergeist and says really stupid stuff…

    good-michael – you would be advised to change your name somehow,
    add a letter if nothing else, and hopefull this won’t happen…

    i’m pretty sure i’m correct about this… have noticed several comments and wondered when the good would be mistaken for the bad…

    trooll-michael would never link to alternet…
    way over it’s head…


  94. shane says:

    Soltz was a bouncer at the Kos convention. I’ve seen no reputable source that he ever served in Iraq.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:35 pm

    Nobody cares what you believe, get a clue.


  95. barfly says:

    Source, links, evidence?

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    That’s funny, coming from a WMD bedwetter…

    Found any of those “drones of death” yet, Sherlock?

    I didn’t think so…


  96. wattstheproblem says:

    that is why all majority of the dems running for office that were in office to vote voted for the war.


  97. Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR says:

    Bush and Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to the USA!!


  98. barfly says:

    “In 1994, Bill Clinton and Al Gore wanted to bomb Iraq and go to war with the country.”

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Source, links, evidence?


  99. Wayne says:

    Wayne, ready to box yet?

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Vacation starts Saturday
    What city do I rent the ring in?
    And it is going to be UFC rules.


  100. shane says:

    ….great…now I am fascist because I don’t follow the left liars or the right liars….

    Thanks for clarifying…sheep!

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

    No, your a fascist because you think your reichwing leaders know what’s right for the American people and the voters should be ignored and elections should be stolen.


  101. Zooey says:

    breaking : Iraqi officials: Truck bombings killed at least 500

    The death toll in the suicide bombings Tuesday in northern Iraq has risen to at least 500, local officials in Nineveh province said Wednesday.
    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    Thanks, Wayne. I hadn’t realized the death toll had gone so high.


  102. Nat says:

    In 1994, Bill Clinton and Al Gore wanted to bomb Iraq and go to war with the country.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:48 pm

    Why didn’t they do it?


  103. Wayne says:

    Whenever I offer to box Wayne, he cuts and runs.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Liar


  104. barfly says:

    “Whenever I offer to box Wayne, he cuts and runs.”

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    I’ll be glad to stand in – but it won’t be boxing.

    Afraid of a little streetfighting, doggy?


  105. Zooey says:

    The 1996 and 1998 bombings of Iraq.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:51 pm

    No link. It’s a lie.


  106. Nat says:

    The 1996 and 1998 bombings of Iraq.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:51 pm

    What does this have to do with the illegal invasion and destruction of Iraq?


  107. Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR says:

    John Soltz was a CAPTAIN in the Iraq war:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Soltz

    By the way, Fox “news” has been EDITING Wikipedia, i.e. REWRITING HISTORY concerning Fox…


  108. Ringo says:

    Bush and Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to the USA!!

    Comment by Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR
    ————————————————————————-

    Redundant.


  109. axl says:

    No link, it’s a lie. Your choice.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:51 pm

    No link. It’s a lie.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    Zooey and Dr. Dog are the same troll!


  110. barfly says:

    When and where do you want to box?

    Comment by Dr. Dog —

    I live in San Diego – but it won’t be boxing, preppie.

    How about telling me when you can meet me, and where?


  111. shane says:

    Nazi comparison. You lose. We win!

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

    It was your cohorts here Sunday talking about badges and tattoos being given to liberals so they are easier to round up. I am a Jew whose family left before Hitler could round them up. I didn’t see you speaking up against these Hitler style threats on Sunday. If you have proof that you did, I’ll take it back.


  112. Nat says:

    Why didn’t they do it?

    Comment by Nat

    They did.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:52 pm

    You’re a liar. They didn’t bomb Iraq in 1994.


  113. Wayne says:

    When and where do you want to box?

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    What city, I already asked, dimwit.
    You can come to Austin if you like.
    Or I can come to your area and rent the ring.

    And you better check on the UFC rules.


  114. axl says:

    Redundant.

    Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

    No. You can never say it enough! It should be repeated over and over again until that is all you can think about! Who cares if it is a lie?


  115. barfly says:

    Not at all. I’ll take you and the old man in a boxing street fight.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Ok. You can box… but don’t get upset if I kick your teeth out.


  116. Nat says:

    Clinton and Gore went to war with Iraq in the 90’s.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

    This is a lie.


  117. wattstheproblem says:

    shane….did you not read clearly. I said both right and left are LIAR. get off your tired banter of shads and losses. Stop whining and read and learn and stop following so blindly. Read something else besides just progressive media.

    It is becoming progressively hateful.

    I don’t care of either party. EITHER is the key word.


  118. Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR says:

    Bush and Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to the USA!!

    Comment by Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR
    ————————————————————————-

    Redundant.

    Comment by Ringo

    And TRUE.

    WAR CRIMINAL like them HATE the TRUTH…


  119. Zooey says:

    Zooey and Dr. Dog are the same troll!
    Comment by axl — August 15, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

    Shut up. I’m using his words against him.


  120. shane says:

    Bilbo…I agree with what most of what you said but I do not recall the Iraqis, in majority, wanting us to leave, right?

    I believe they want us to stay until situation are more stable. Hell, we are still in Germany, Japan and many other countries.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    One million more Iraqis dead in the last four years than is normal. Who has asked them if they want us to leave? You don’t recall because nobody asked.


  121. Freakaloin says:

    clinton…bush…cheney…blah bah blah…they are all controlled by the same power…


  122. axl says:

    Shut up. I’m using his words against him.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 7:57 pm

    Don’t tell me to shut up, troll.


  123. shane says:

    Says shane who is feverishly namechanging back and forth. Projection. BORING!

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    Dogbreath, in lieu of having a real argument, just makes shit up. Again.


  124. axl says:

    Dogbreath, in lieu of having a real argument, just makes sh** up. Again.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 8:00 pm

    Hey! Watch your language, libtroll.


  125. barfly says:

    I’ll meet you and Wayne in Austin, TX at Bruce’s KO boxing gym this weekend.

    Comment by Dr. Dog —

    Let’s meet somewhere in the middle. How about in New Mexico? Or are you afraid to show up without your wingnut buddies?


  126. axl says:

    What’s with all the libtrolls?


  127. Nat says:

    I believe they want us to stay until situation are more stable. Hell, we are still in Germany, Japan and many other countries.
    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    Are you frickin serious with this asinine post? There is no comparison between Iraq and Germany, Japan and many other countries.


  128. Empire Burlesque says:

    I’ll meet you and Wayne in Austin, TX at Bruce’s KO boxing gym this weekend.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    If this goes down, make sure ya tape it and send it to YouTube.

    Can’t wait to watch it!


  129. Wayne says:

    I’ll meet you and Wayne in Austin, TX at Bruce’s KO boxing gym this weekend.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    8711 Burnet Rd
    Austin, TX 78757

    And UFC rules are similar to kickboxing, better look them up.
    Knockout or submission
    For stating you would post my personal data online,Ihavea real grudge, dude
    What time and day do you want me to come wipe the floor with you?


  130. Empire Burlesque says:

    Are you frickin serious with this asinine post? There is no comparison between Iraq and Germany, Japan and many other countries.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    Ya git taht right. It’s called a strawman argument.


  131. Ringo says:

    Nazi comparison. You lose. We win!

    Comment by Dr. Dog
    ——————————————-

    I get called a Nazi everyday around here. All you have to do is say “the sky is blue” and if they know you are a troll, someone will call you a Nazi, a racist, a fascist, a chickenhawk or a homophobe before you can refresh the page.

    This site attracts the Lefts stupidest commentors, Kos and HuffPo rejects mostly. Idiots, one and all…..It’s like arguing with 13 year olds.


  132. Zooey says:

    Don’t tell me to shut up, troll.
    Comment by axl — August 15, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Shut it, troll.


  133. barfly says:

    Clinton and Gore went to war with Iraq in the 90’s and launched air raids against that soverign country.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Now that’s funny.


  134. shane says:

    trooll-michael would never link to alternet…
    way over it’s head…
    …

    Comment by katy — August 15, 2007 @ 7:47 pm

    Sorry katy and michael. Because he didn’t comment and I don’t follow troll links I didn’t know.


  135. Empire Burlesque says:

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    Dr. Dog = Complete Moron.


  136. Nat says:

    Clinton and Gore went to war with Iraq in the 90’s and launched air raids against that soverign country.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:00 pm

    Again, this is a lie.


  137. Zooey says:

    What time and day do you want me to come wipe the floor with you?
    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 8:02 pm

    That dog is not showing up there! But if he does, kick his ass.


  138. Zooey says:

    Projection. BORING!
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

    Not a “projectible” comment, IDIOT.


  139. katy says:

    Shane, this is “daytime michael.”
    The idiot stalker is “nighttime michael.” He links to Ann Coulter’s site. Ugh.
    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 7:35 pm

    THERE it is! … that never occurred to me before…

    daymichael is so respectful and pleasant (as i recall)…
    i hope shane didn’t scare the shit out of him!
    ;-)


  140. axl says:

    Shut it, troll.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    That dog is not showing up there! But if he does, kick his ass.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

    You libtrolls can’t debate, all you can do is tell people to shut up, and make empty threats!


  141. shane says:

    I don’t care of either party. EITHER is the key word.

    Comment by wattstheproblem — August 15, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    YAWN, liar.


  142. Nat says:

    I get called a Nazi everyday around here. All you have to do is say “the sky is blue” and if they know you are a troll, someone will call you a Nazi, a racist, a fascist, a chickenhawk or a homophobe before you can refresh the page.
    Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    It depends on what you say. There are cons who post here that use Nazi rhetoric when they talk about Muslims.


  143. axl says:

    daymichael is so respectful and pleasant (as i recall)…
    i hope shane didn’t scare the sh** out of him!
    ;-)

    Comment by katy — August 15, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Michael is a racist troll, and you need to watch your language, young lady!


  144. barfly says:

    I’ll pay for your flight to Texas.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Choose an airline, and send a prepaid ticket to the airline of your choice, telling them that it will be picked up by someone identifying themself as barfly. We’ll meet on neutral ground – like the Alberquerque Motel 6 parking lot, off interstate 10 – real easy to find. Let me know when I can pick up the ticket.


  145. shane says:

    How about telling me when you can meet me, and where?

    Comment by barfly

    I’ll meet you and Wayne in Austin, TX at Bruce’s KO boxing gym this weekend.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    Sure Dogfish, like you’d take time off from licking your empty nutsack to fight. You don’t take enough time to post a coherent thought.


  146. Nat says:

    Once they drop the Nazi comparison, they have lost the argument.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    I disagree.


  147. axl says:

    Why do liberals want to fight Americans instead of al-Qaida?

    Wayne should join the Army if he wants to fight.


  148. shane says:

    Hey! Watch your language, libtroll.

    Comment by axl — August 15, 2007 @ 8:01 pm

    STFU, conturd.


  149. barfly says:

    “Why do liberals want to fight Americans instead of al-Qaida?”

    You’d first have to prove this idiot is an American.


  150. katy says:

    “If you can’t prove it, it’s a lie. Pure and simple.”
    -any trooll

    Thank you, for acknowledging that the reasons we went to war were bogus.
    Comment by barfly — August 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    sssnap! …great comeback line, barfly…

    remember that one, folks!


  151. shane says:

    You libtrolls can’t debate, all you can do is tell people to shut up, and make empty threats!

    Comment by axl — August 15, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Haven’t heard you post anything intelligent yet, axlgrease.


  152. axl says:

    You’d first have to prove this idiot is an American.

    Comment by barfly — August 15, 2007 @ 8:15 pm

    You’re the same libtroll that called Holocaust victims “cowards,”
    now you’re saying that Americans are idiots!!!

    Shameful, burqafly.


  153. shane says:

    How can you hear an internet post, genius?

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:19 pm

    You must be Jakeass, feeling the need to answer every post. There medication for OCD twerp.


  154. Nat says:

    It would have helped if Demlibs said something BEFORE we actually continued Clinton’s war with Iraq.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

    You’re blaming Clinton for Bush’s illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq?


  155. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    CHENEY/TANCREDO 2008!!!
    GOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!
    DEATH TO ISLAMOSTALINISM!!!


  156. RemoveBush says:

    It would have helped if Demlibs said something BEFORE we actually continued Clinton’s war with Iraq.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

    Hey buddy….. Lay off the METH, because your brain is FRIED……

    Clinton was not president in 2003!!!!!

    I-D-I-O-T


  157. Juan C says:

    *yawn*

    The same troll, the same sh*t.

    Wake me up later when grown ups are talking.


  158. hacker bob says:

    Soltz served his country in combat. Cheney got 5 deferments. Soltz has more credibility than Cheney on the Iraq war.

    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    Soltz served one tour in Iraq, I have served two. Does that give me more credibility than Soltz?

    Careful how you answer that one…..


  159. hacker bob says:

    Has anybody seen any proof that Soltz actually did serve in Iraq?

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/3yvtkz

    You’re pathetic.

    Comment by gummitch — August 15, 2007 @ 7:24 pm

    Anybody seen a copy of his DD214?


  160. Nat says:

    Soltz served one tour in Iraq, I have served two. Does that give me more credibility than Soltz?

    Careful how you answer that one…..
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    I gives you as much credibility as Soltz if you did indeed serve. Five deferments Cheney has no credibility.


  161. RemoveBush says:

    Soltz served one tour in Iraq, I have served two. Does that give me more credibility than Soltz?

    Careful how you answer that one…..

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    Are you REALLY that STUPID or are you just being a typical troll?????

    The point was that Cheney NEVER served, and Soltz did….

    I guess this just shows what happens when you lower the recruiting requirements for the military….


  162. Nat says:

    Anybody seen a copy of his DD214?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

    Where’s your copy?


  163. RemoveBush says:

    Anybody seen a copy of his DD214?

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

    I haven’t seen yours, does that mean that you are making it up also???

    Be careful how you answer that…


  164. cowboyneok says:

    A miracle!

    Tweety actually says something negative about the Bush Administration! He FINALLY admits Cheney was wrong about everything that comes out of his crooked mouth.


  165. Wayne says:

    Wayne needs to bring his release papers with him since he won’t fax them to me.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    You can see them after I finish with you in the ring.
    Fair Warning: in basic training my nickname was Wolverine, and for a good reason.
    You will find that reason out Saturday. 1pm


  166. trueblue says:

    It would have helped if Demlibs said something BEFORE we actually continued Clinton’s war with Iraq.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Have the trolls really gotten this bad that they blame President Clinton for absolutely everything?

    That is really sad.


  167. hacker bob says:

    I guess this just shows what happens when you lower the recruiting requirements for the military….

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:36 pm

    So Clinton lowered the standards? I have been in for 14 years dum bass. It is a legit question I asked.

    Where’s your copy?

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    I don’t have one. I am still on active duty.

    I haven’t seen yours, does that mean that you are making it up also???

    Be careful how you answer that…

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:37 pm

    Again, I am still on active duty so I do not have a DD214 yet. Did I say Soltz was making it up? No. I asked if anyone has seen proof other than his word.


  168. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

    Have fun Saturday!


  169. robbez_92107 says:

    If you can’t prove it, it’s a lie. Pure and simple.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

    God is a lie?


  170. hacker bob says:

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:36 pm

    Soltz served 5 months in Iraq in 2003 so that makes him the authority on what is happening in 2007?


  171. gummitch says:

    You can see them after I finish with you in the ring.
    Fair Warning: in basic training my nickname was Wolverine, and for a good reason.
    You will find that reason out Saturday. 1pm

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

    Better watch out. In basic training, Dr Dog’s nickname was Little Puppy. Of course, “basic training” meant teaching him to pee outside. Be sure you put newspaper down in the ring first.


  172. Zooey says:

    Have the trolls really gotten this bad that they blame President Clinton for absolutely everything?

    That is really sad.

    Comment by trueblue — August 15, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    They’ve always done that, true.

    Now it’s so bad that they call vets cowards and liars — all while they’re sitting safely behind their keyboards.


  173. Nat says:

    I don’t have one. I am still on active duty.
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

    Hacker bob I know you’re on active duty because I am actually president Bush.


  174. Nat says:

    Soltz served 5 months in Iraq in 2003 so that makes him the authority on what is happening in 2007?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:47 pm

    Yes.


  175. hacker bob says:

    Nat, did you follow a smart ass pill today?


  176. gummitch says:

    Again, I am still on active duty so I do not have a DD214 yet. Did I say Soltz was making it up? No. I asked if anyone has seen proof other than his word.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

    Sure, he just made it up and none of the scores of wingnuts baying for his blood have discovered this — only the trolls on TP are smart enough to work it out.

    You’re just as pathetic as Li’l Puppy and Mr Pee. You can’t dispute Soltz with facts so you attempt to color him as a liar.


  177. Nat says:

    Nat, did you follow a smart ass pill today?

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

    What does this mean?


  178. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:50

    Noice streach. But if that is the qualification then I am an expert as well. I was there in 2003 and 2005.


  179. RemoveBush says:

    So Clinton lowered the standards? I have been in for 14 years dum bass. It is a legit question I asked.

    Your comment was very rediculous…….. You asking if you have more credibility because you served more, when that was not what was stated to begin with!!!!! So, it was YOU who was in fact the “dumbass”.

    No. I asked if anyone has seen proof other than his word.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:45 pm

    If YOU would do some research you would find the answers to that question…….. Though I did not find his DD214, I did find his stats and a picture of him in Iraq……

    A picture is worth a 1000 words, wouldn’t you say?

    http://www.votevets.org/storage/votevets2/images/sholtz.gif

    http://www.votevets.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=80

    “From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division. During 2005, Soltz was mobilized for 365 days at Fort Dix New Jersey, training soldiers for combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also served his country with distinction in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000.”


  180. hacker bob says:

    What does this mean?

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    Sorry, I shouldn’t stand and type. Change follow to swallow


  181. Nat says:

    Noice streach. But if that is the qualification then I am an expert as well. I was there in 2003 and 2005.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    You don’t seem like an expert.


  182. Luis M says:

    Are you REALLY that STUPID or are you just being a typical troll????? The point was that Cheney NEVER served, and Soltz did….
    I guess this just shows what happens when you lower the recruiting requirements for the military….
    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:36 pm

    Dude (or dudette as the case may be), hacker bob is neither stupid nor a typical troll. He’s been posting here regularly and even though his point of view tends to be different from most of the posters, he backs up his comments with facts, logic and information. So chill out a bit.

    I gives you as much credibility as Soltz if you did indeed serve. Five deferments Cheney has no credibility.
    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

    Your point was made, and it’s the same as Nat’s. Time on the ground gives someone more credibility about the war than someone who’s never been there and who gets the information second-hand.


  183. hacker bob says:

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    You found stats about him posted by him. and the pictures could be 29 Palms.

    So since I served and he served in Iraq at the same time we are both experts. If my opinion is different than his, which one of us is correct?


  184. hacker bob says:

    You don’t seem like an expert.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

    You haven’t asked a question. Just because I can’t type for shit means little.

    Comment by Luis M — August 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

    Thanks


  185. Juan C says:

    Hey, hey, go easy on hacker bob. He is a nice fellow.

    Although, bob, you are missing the point. Soltz knows much more, not only becuz he was there but becuz he has people there, just like you do, in comparison with the other good for nothing talking head.


  186. Nat says:

    Sorry, I shouldn’t stand and type. Change follow to swallow
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:53 pm

    No, seriously, I’m president Bush. At ease soldier.


  187. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    Have the trolls really gotten this bad that they blame President Clinton for absolutely everything?

    That is really sad.

    Comment by trueblue — August 15, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    They’ve always done that, true.

    Now it’s so bad that they call vets cowards and liars — all while they’re sitting safely behind their keyboards.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 8:47 pm

    We should be more ashamed to distrust our friends than to be deceived by them.

    Maxim #84


  188. Probus says:

    Soltz’s service gives him credibility. Having served in combat in Iraq he has earned the right to speak out against this war.


  189. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Juan C — August 15, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

    I agree with you, but how far are soltz and I “out of the loop”?


  190. RemoveBush says:

    Dude (or dudette as the case may be), hacker bob is neither stupid nor a typical troll. He’s been posting here regularly and even though his point of view tends to be different from most of the posters, he backs up his comments with facts, logic and information. So chill out a bit.

    Comment by Luis M — August 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

    Absolutely WRONG!!!!

    I’m 100% male…….

    Also, I have been here for MANY YEARS….. So don’t go lecturing me about who comes here and what they represent!!!!!!

    I was pointing out FACTS, which is true in every sense of the word since this person is exagerating on things, JUST AS A TROLL DOES…..

    So far, I have yet to see ANY “facts, logic and information” from this troll….

    And no, I won’t “chill out”!


  191. Juan C says:

    I agree with you, but how far are soltz and I “out of the loop”?
    Comment by hacker bob

    So that statement means that you agree with: “Dick Cheney is one of the finest men that I’ve ever met.”

    Is that right?


  192. Nat says:

    You found stats about him posted by him. and the pictures could be 29 Palms.

    So since I served and he served in Iraq at the same time we are both experts. If my opinion is different than his, which one of us is correct?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

    Why don’t you go on TV and debate him?


  193. Juan C says:

    Uh, I have to go…sorry.

    You dont wanna piss my girlfriend off, bob. She will kick your 14 y/o trained Marine hiney… Heh.

    Take care and play nice.


  194. Zooey says:

    So since I served and he served in Iraq at the same time we are both experts. If my opinion is different than his, which one of us is correct?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

    The initial comparison was between Cheney and Soltz.

    Cheney is an incompetent who never served in any war. I don’t know much about Soltz’s competence, but he seems level-headed, and he actually served in the military, in Iraq.

    Seems simple to me, Robert. What’s your point? Do you think Cheney knows more about what is going on on the ground in Iraq?

    What is your opinion?


  195. RemoveBush says:

    So since I served and he served in Iraq at the same time we are both experts. If my opinion is different than his, which one of us is correct?

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

    Neither!!!!

    OPINION is WORTHLESS!!! Facts, which are obvious in what is happening in Iraq more closely fall in line with Soltz……

    So I would have to go with Soltz being more “in tune” with the FACTS on the ground!!!!!

    If your supporting this ILLEGAL war, then you have already been slurping the kool aid so why bother listening when your “facts”, like Bush’s, don’t match the data available?????


  196. Juan C says:

    I’m 100% male…….
    Comment by RemoveBush

    Whats the X chromosome for, then?


  197. Luis M says:

    So since I served and he served in Iraq at the same time we are both experts. If my opinion is different than his, which one of us is correct?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:56 pm

    I think that’s why facts are needed in these debates, not merely opinions. Saying “I think things are getting better in Iraq” is an opinion. Saying “there has been 56% less attacks in this year” is a fact (and this is just a for-instance, ok? I’m making this number up).

    Still, all other things being equal, I’d tend to believe a soldier on the ground more than a Keyboard Kommando that hasn’t left the country, regarding war issues.


  198. Wayne says:

    Have fun Saturday!

    Comment by hacker bob

    Oh,yeah
    This guy has trashed every veteran that posts here.
    If he shows I am going to show no mercy, knockout or submission.


  199. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    “So Clinton lowered the standards? I have been in for 14 years dum bass. It is a legit question I asked.”

    Your comment was very rediculous…….. You asking if you have more credibility because you served more, when that was not what was stated to begin with!!!!! So, it was YOU who was in fact the “dumbass”.

    No. I asked if anyone has seen proof other than his word.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:45 pm”

    If YOU would do some research you would find the answers to that question…….. Though I did not find his DD214, I did find his stats and a picture of him in Iraq……

    A picture is worth a 1000 words, wouldn’t you say?

    http://www.votevets.org/ storage/ votevets2/ images/ sholtz.gif

    http://www.votevets.org/ index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=80

    “From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division. During 2005, Soltz was mobilized for 365 days at Fort Dix New Jersey, training soldiers for combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also served his country with distinction in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000.”

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    Apparent virtue is more often praised than true merit.

    Maxim # 166


  200. hacker bob says:

    No, seriously, I’m president Bush. At ease soldier.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

    Sorry, Marine, not Soldier.

    Comment by Juan C — August 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

    No, I do not agree with that statement. I have never met Dick Cheney.

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    You are so good at research, figure it out. There are posters here that have seen proof of my service.

    Why don’t you go on TV and debate him?

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

    I haven’t been invited.


  201. RemoveBush says:

    Whats the X chromosome for, then?

    Comment by Juan C — August 15, 2007 @ 9:03 pm

    Tusche!!!


  202. Zooey says:

    If he shows I am going to show no mercy, knockout or submission.
    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

    That coward will have the police waiting for you at the ring, saying you threatened him.


  203. Spudge_Boy says:

    Have fun Saturday!

    Comment by hacker bob

    Oh,yeah
    This guy has trashed every veteran that posts here.
    If he shows I am going to show no mercy, knockout or submission.

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

    Sorry to burst your bubble Wayne, but that pu$$y won’t show up. I already invited him to a party and he backed out when he found out I was serious.


  204. Luis M says:

    Absolutely WRONG!!!! I’m 100% male…….
    Also, I have been here for MANY YEARS….. So don’t go lecturing me about who comes here and what they represent!!!!!!
    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    Sorry about that, I still don’t recognize everyone’s gender from their nicknames.

    So far, I have yet to see ANY “facts, logic and information” from this troll….
    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    Well I have, in several different discussions, but then maybe that’s also a matter of opinion.


  205. RemoveBush says:

    Still, all other things being equal, I’d tend to believe a soldier on the ground more than a Keyboard Kommando that hasn’t left the country, regarding war issues.

    Comment by Luis M — August 15, 2007 @ 9:03 pm

    Yes, but not all soldiers are honest……

    Some follow the talking points and that’s it.

    i.e. The current Generals who are lap dogs for Bush.


  206. hacker bob says:

    If your supporting this ILLEGAL war, then you have already been slurping the kool aid so why bother listening when your “facts”, like Bush’s, don’t match the data available?????

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:03 pm

    Do you mean support it as Soltz did by fighting in it? Just because someone apologizes for murder, they are still a murderer, right?


  207. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    Noice streach. But if that is the qualification then I am an expert as well. I was there in 2003 and 2005.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    You don’t seem like an expert.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

    Had we no faults, we should not take such pleasure in discovering them in others.

    Maxim #31


  208. Nat says:

    I haven’t been invited.
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Send Matthews an email stating that you’re an Iraq war veteran (if it’s true) and that you would like to debate Soltz the next time he is on.


  209. Just Checking says:

    Oh,yeah
    This guy has trashed every veteran that posts here.
    If he shows I am going to show no mercy, knockout or submission.

    Comment by Wayne

    Knock him out for Tired Of Fighting


  210. r says:

    Yes, but not all soldiers are honest……

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

    But we support the troops! Even if we bash them!


  211. hacker bob says:

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

    See, you make statement like “not all soldiers are honest”. How do you determine their honesty? Is it the majority that are saying things are imporving or the minority that say things are hopeless? Who is being honest? How do YOU know?


  212. Nat says:

    Do you mean support it as Soltz did by fighting in it? Just because someone apologizes for murder, they are still a murderer, right?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

    You think American soldiers are murderers?


  213. Nat says:

    Had we no faults, we should not take such pleasure in discovering them in others.

    Maxim #31
    Comment by La Rouchefoucauld — August 15, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

    Had we no faults, we should not take such pleasure in discovering them in others.

    Maxim #31


  214. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    “Dude (or dudette as the case may be), hacker bob is neither stupid nor a typical troll. He’s been posting here regularly and even though his point of view tends to be different from most of the posters, he backs up his comments with facts, logic and information. So chill out a bit.

    Comment by Luis M — August 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm”

    Absolutely WRONG!!!!

    I’m 100% male…….

    Also, I have been here for MANY YEARS….. So don’t go lecturing me about who comes here and what they represent!!!!!!

    I was pointing out FACTS, which is true in every sense of the word since this person is exagerating on things, JUST AS A TROLL DOES…..

    So far, I have yet to see ANY “facts, logic and information” from this troll….

    And no, I won’t “chill out”!

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    Violent hatred puts us beneath those whom we hate.

    Maxim # 345


  215. r says:

    ILLEGAL war?

    Authorized by Congress and most of the Dems!


  216. Nat says:

    See, you make statement like “not all soldiers are honest”. How do you determine their honesty? Is it the majority that are saying things are imporving or the minority that say things are hopeless? Who is being honest? How do YOU know?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

    It’s hard to determine anyone’s honesty.


  217. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    Have fun Saturday!

    Comment by hacker bob

    Oh,yeah
    This guy has trashed every veteran that posts here.
    If he shows I am going to show no mercy, knockout or submission.

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

    Virtue serves a selfish end as frequently as vice.

    Maxim # 192


  218. hacker bob says:

    nat,

    I guess that was a bad comparison. No, I do not think American troops are murders.

    let me rephrase.

    If I steal a car, but I apologize later for it, am I still a car thief?


  219. Nat says:

    Authorized by Congress and most of the Dems!

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:15 pm

    Congress did not declare war; Bush declared war.


  220. Nat says:

    If I steal a car, but I apologize later for it, am I still a car thief?
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:19 pm

    You are a car thief who has apologized.


  221. Raven says:

    If I steal a car, but I apologize later for it, am I still a car thief?

    Yes, unless you return the car, washed, waxed, and with a full tank.
    And the apology.
    And if you never steal agin.


  222. Probus says:

    Congress (unfortunately) did authorize this war. But that is all they did. Bush declared war on a country that posed no national security threat to us. He is the commander in chief, this war is his mess and his alone.


  223. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    I haven’t been invited.
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Send Matthews an email stating that you’re an Iraq war veteran (if it’s true) and that you would like to debate Soltz the next time he is on.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:12 pm

    Most people judge a man only by his popularity or by his good-fortune.

    Maxim # 217


  224. Wayne says:

    That coward will have the police waiting for you at the ring, saying you threatened him.

    Comment by Zooey

    I have friends in the Austin Police Dept. He will be supprised if he does try that. lmao


  225. r says:

    If I steal a car, but I apologize later for it, am I still a car thief?

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:19 pm

    Steal sounds like a willful act. If your job involves moving cars. And you move the wrong one. Then you’re not a car thief.

    It’s more like that.


  226. Nat says:

    Most people judge a man only by his popularity or by his good-fortune.

    Maxim # 217
    Comment by La Rouchefoucauld — August 15, 2007 @ 9:23 pm

    I’m not most people.


  227. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    If I steal a car, but I apologize later for it, am I still a car thief?

    Yes, unless you return the car, washed, waxed, and with a full tank.
    And the apology.
    And if you never steal agin.

    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

    Hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue.

    Maxim #223


  228. trueblue says:

    OK,

    Too much testosterone being flung about at the moment.

    Why don’t you guys whip out a ruler so that we can end this and get back to the discussion?


  229. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    OK,

    Too much testosterone being flung about at the moment.

    Why don’t you guys whip out a ruler so that we can end this and get back to the discussion?

    Comment by trueblue — August 15, 2007 @ 9:25 pm

    Most women’s wits serve their folly rather than their reason.

    Maxim # 347


  230. Nat says:

    Congress (unfortunately) did authorize this war. But that is all they did. Bush declared war on a country that posed no national security threat to us. He is the commander in chief, this war is his mess and his alone.
    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

    They passed their constitutional authority to declare war to Bush. All who voted for the authorization should be kicked out of Congress for doing something like that.


  231. RemoveBush says:

    But we support the troops! Even if we bash them!

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

    STFU you panzy ass chickenhawk…..

    I am a vet, I do have knowledge of what I speak about when it comes to the military…….

    Your just a snivling drip down your momas leg.


  232. r says:

    Congress (unfortunately) did authorize this war. But that is all they did. Bush declared war
    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

    The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval.

    Bush did not declare war.


  233. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    “But we support the troops! Even if we bash them!

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:13 pm”

    STFU you panzy ass chickenhawk…..

    I am a vet, I do have knowledge of what I speak about when it comes to the military…….

    Your just a snivling drip down your momas leg.

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

    We rarely consider anyone sensible unless he agrees with our ideas.

    Maxim # 354


  234. Chalice says:

    Your just a snivling drip down your momas leg.

    Learn to spell.


  235. r says:

    Congress did not declare war; Bush declared war.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

    The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval.

    Bush didn’t declare war.


  236. Nat says:

    The president of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval.

    Bush did not declare war.
    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    Congress gave him the power to declare war which is unconstitutional.


  237. LibTeenie says:

    Why don’t you guys whip out a ruler so that we can end this and get back to the discussion?

    Ok, I win by a mile (and thats no exaggeration)


  238. trueblue says:

    Your just a snivling drip down your momas leg.
    Learn to spell.
    Comment by Chalice

    …um… it’s you’re


  239. r says:

    I am a vet, I do have knowledge of what I speak about when it comes to the military…….

    Your just a snivling drip down your momas leg.

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

    With all due respect, I’m glad you’re fighting against me and not the head choppers.


  240. La Rouchefoucauld says:

    “The difference between you and I is real simple: You’re a Republican communications strategist; I’m an Iraq war veteran.”

    So what?

    Maxim # 1,000,000


  241. r says:

    Congress gave him the power to declare war which is unconstitutional.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:32 pm

    Um, no. They gave him the AUF. Which he did. Not to declare war, which he didn’t.

    Everything is perfectly constitutional.


  242. Probus says:

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:32 pm

    While Congress does declare war it is the president who must request it. This war is Bush’s responsibility. In the end as commander in chief he went to war with Iraq.


  243. Raven says:

    Hypocrisy is a tribute vice pays to virtue.

    Maxim #223

    Comment by La Rouchefoucauld

    You’re just picking on me, Mr. P, mindlessly tossing out plagiarised material.
    My, but you’re really starting to lose it these days, you used to put out at least a modicum of effort and originality….
    Does the loss of your mentor strike a raw nerve of fear?


  244. RemoveBush says:

    Learn to spell.

    Comment by Chalice — August 15, 2007 @ 9:31 pm

    I know how to thank you……

    I wrote it that way INTENTIONALLY, well excluding the Sniveling…..

    I figured if I am going to reply to an Inbred, I might as well talk that way so it does not go over their head…..


  245. gummitch says:

    Comment by La Rouchefoucauld — August 15, 2007 @ 9:31 pm

    Ah, yes, Mr Pee, who never had an original thought, has now found someone else’s thoughts to plagiarize.

    Pathetic.


  246. r says:

    Why don’t you guys whip out a ruler so that we can end this and get back to the discussion?

    Ok, I win by a mile (and thats no exaggeration)

    Comment by LibTeenie — August 15, 2007 @ 9:33 pm

    [THIS IS A JOKE] But LibTeenie shouldn’t be exaggerating about that sort of thing.


  247. Nat says:

    Um, no. They gave him the AUF. Which he did. Not to declare war, which he didn’t.

    Everything is perfectly constitutional.
    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    Congress left everything up to Bush; they did not declare war. Bush is the one who pulled the inspectors and commenced the invasion. No one in Congress did that.

    And a majority of the Dems in Congress did not vote for the AUF.


  248. Saddam says:

    Ask the powerful 5 question.

    What power have you got?
    Where did you get it from?
    In Whose interest did you exercise it?
    To Whom are you accountable?
    How do we get rid of you?

    Only Democracy give us that right! That is why no-one with power likes democracy. And that is why every generation must struggle to win it and keep it. Including you and me, here and now!


  249. RemoveBush says:

    “Bush didn’t declare war.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:32 pm”

    NEITHER DID THE CONGRESS……

    They AUTHORIZED Bush to use force, but ONLY after going to the UN to get approval……

    But Bush was ILLEGALLY, surprise, Wiretapping the UN and knew that they would not authorize the attack……

    Bush swore, yet another lie from this duche bag, to go to the UN for that approval and that “war” was his last option……..


  250. La Rochefoucauld says:

    plagiarised material. -Raven

    I’m not picking on you, I’m helping you and everyone else with the timeless Maxims of François, duc de La Rochefoucauld.


  251. Raven says:

    “Pathetic.”

    Comment by gummitch

    Mr. Pee Pee was running down his list of bishops and ran across another gent who had so much more to offer than the usual cast of questionable christianists.


  252. RemoveBush says:

    With all due respect, I’m glad you’re fighting against me and not the head choppers.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:35 pm

    With all due respect, I wish that YOU were actually kidnapped by one of these “so called terrorists” just for that purpose….


  253. trueblue says:

    raven,

    I wouldn’t bother with the troll.
    I ignored its stupid comment.

    It’s bent on grandiose names, and thinks it can impress with inane comments.

    It’s just really pathetic.


  254. Nat says:

    While Congress does declare war it is the president who must request it. This war is Bush’s responsibility. In the end as commander in chief he went to war with Iraq.
    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    I don’t think the president has to request it.


  255. François, duc de La Rochefoucauld says:

  256. RemoveBush says:

    Everything is perfectly constitutional.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    Actually peanut brain, it is NOT!!!

    The Congress can ONLY declare war……… Show me where in the Constitution is says that Congress can grant authorization to use the military for what ever reason…….

    NIMROD!


  257. François, duc de La Rochefoucauld says:

    christianists -Raven

    Christianists?

    What’s that?


  258. François, duc de La Rochefoucauld says:

    Oh Good Lord! I gotta go………….


  259. hacker bob says:

    RemoveBush,

    So, you’re sitting there bustin’ my chops and say you are a Vet.

    Branch, Rank, years of service, and MOS if you please.


  260. Raven says:

    It’s just really pathetic.

    Comment by trueblue

    Yeah, you’re right, but with all that info at his fingertips, I somehow expect he could at least come up with relevant maxims to the posts he responds to… but, hey, he’s put in a long day here… getting tired, getting sloppy…..


  261. r says:

    First you said:
    Bush declared war on a country that posed no national security threat to us.
    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
    Then you backed off to:
    While Congress does declare war it is the president who must request it. This war is Bush’s responsibility. In the end as commander in chief he went to war with Iraq.
    Comment by Probus — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    So you agree. Congress gave Bush the AUF, and he did.

    Declare War is as much a LIE as WMD!

    If you say it, even if you think it’s true, and it turns out to be false = You’re a LIAR!!!! (according to the libs)


  262. shane says:

    Does the loss of your mentor strike a raw nerve of fear?

    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm

    Obviously KKKarl isn’t gone yet. This questioning if Stoltz really served by the trolls is pure Rovian. They know he did but they just raise the question to put doubt in minds. I just heard the story about when Bush beat Ann Richards as governor. Rove asked in polls if people would be less likely to vote for Richards if they knew many of her staffers were lesbians. It wasn’t true and Rove knew it but the dumbass Texans had a kernel of doubt implanted. Rove, the biggest threat to our political system since McCarthy.


  263. RemoveBush says:

    Little boy r, here is what the Constitution says about war…..

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

    “Section 8 – Powers of Congress”

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”

    No where in there does it state that they can authorize the president to invade another country without a “Declaration of War” from Congress…..


  264. Raven says:

    “People who use the Gospels of Jesus Christ for political gain, and for a political program of right or left, are Christianists.

    (Donklephant)


  265. r says:

    But Bush was ILLEGALLY, surprise, Wiretapping the UN and knew that they would not authorize the attack……

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    Provide proof or shut up.


  266. shane says:

    Maxim #223

    Comment by La Rouchefoucauld — August 15, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

    Why don’t you shove your Maxims where you obviously have your head.


  267. Marie says:

    Are all rethuglican spokesmen tightass, rigid and stereotypical robots who memorize and repeat talking points ad nauseum?

    Anyone who says Cheney is the finest man he’s ever known is either incredibly brainwashed, incredibly stupid, or hangs around with too many incredibly bad people.
    Or all of the above.


  268. RemoveBush says:

    So, you’re sitting there bustin’ my chops and say you are a Vet.

    Branch, Rank, years of service, and MOS if you please.

    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 9:48 pm

    No problem……

    US Army
    E4
    4 years
    MOS = 68L but was originally 35L (Avionics Equipment Repairer)
    Basic = Fort Jackson
    AIT = Fort Gordon
    1st duty station = Camp Humphry’s Korea
    Last duty station = Fort Drum NY (10th Mountain)

    Any other question??


  269. r says:

    With all due respect, I wish that YOU were actually kidnapped by one of these “so called terrorists” just for that purpose….

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:45 pm

    With all due respect I’m glad you’re safe at home.


  270. RemoveBush says:

    So you agree. Congress gave Bush the AUF, and he did.

    Declare War is as much a LIE as WMD!

    If you say it, even if you think it’s true, and it turns out to be false = You’re a LIAR!!!! (according to the libs)

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:52 pm

    You don’t even know what your talking about!!!!!!

    It’s AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force)

    GEEZE!


  271. r says:

    It’s bent on grandiose names, and thinks it can impress with inane comments.

    It’s just really pathetic.

    Comment by trueblue — August 15, 2007 @ 9:45 pm

    True.

    In fact – Trueblue



  272. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Branch, Rank, years of service, and MOS if you please.

    Comment by hacker bob

    U.S. Army, SFC (P), 21 years, 11B 1986-1993, 92Y 1994-Present

    I know this wasn’t addressed to me, I just wanted to join in with my fellow Brothers/Sisters-in-Arms.

    It’s been awhile since I been on here, but I see that it’s getting rough on TP.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  273. hacker bob says:

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

    Nope, thanks. You have told me this all before, but I had forgotten until I saw it in print.

    FYI, (if you care)
    USMC
    14 years (May/93-pres)
    3533/3537 (Motor Trans operator/MT Chief)
    Basic:MCRD San Diego
    Combat Training:Camp Pendleton, Ca
    MOS School: Camp Johnson, NC


  274. r says:

    “Everything is perfectly constitutional.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm”

    Actually peanut brain, it is NOT!!!

    The Congress can ONLY declare war……… Show me where in the Constitution is says that Congress can grant authorization to use the military for what ever reason…….

    NIMROD!

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:47 pm

    Right. And they didn’t declare war. But they authorized the prez to use fordce. I didn’t make that up.

    And I like NIMROD = The mighty hunter.

    That may be my new name next week.


  275. Rovianist says:

    “People who use the Gospels of Jesus Christ for political gain, and for a political program of right or left, are Christianists.

    (Donklephant)

    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 9:53 pm

    Cool. Thanks!

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

    We are never as liberal as with advice.

    La Rochefoucauld, Maxims # 110


  276. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007 @ 9:58 pm

    Good to read you again. I have been away a while as well.


  277. shane says:

    Provide proof or shut up.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:54 pm

    We don’t work for you turd r. Look it up and if you find proof against any statement post it. Otherwise you shut up and if you don’t like it get the hell out of here.


  278. Bugs Bunny says:

    That may be my new name next week.

    Comment by r

    Why wait?
    Nimrod….
    LOL


  279. RemoveBush says:

    “Provide proof or shut up.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:54 pm”

    Do your own research……

    Stop drinking the kool aid and actually do something with that bolder sitting on your shoulders for once.


  280. RemoveBush says:

    “Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 9:58 pm”

    Thanks Nat, I was not going to go through hundreds of Google links just to prove this twit wrong….


  281. shane says:

    We are never as liberal as with advice.

    La Rochefoucauld, Maxims # 110

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

    And the coward, Pturd runs off and changes his name again. We know you’re proud of your affiliation to Rove so your name is redundant.


  282. Nat says:

    Right. And they didn’t declare war. But they authorized the prez to use fordce. I didn’t make that up.
    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:00 pm

    Bush did not violate any U.S. laws because Congress ceded their power to declare war to him. He violated intentional law and committed a war crime.


  283. RemoveBush says:

    “Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 10:00 pm”

    I believe you told me this too…….

    I don’t doubt your service because there are certain things that posers cannot get right……

    Some is the lingo….

    Thanks for the bio info again though.


  284. Zooey says:

    Yeah, you’re right, but with all that info at his fingertips, I somehow expect he could at least come up with relevant maxims to the posts he responds to… but, hey, he’s put in a long day here… getting tired, getting sloppy…..
    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 9:51 pm

    He’s not even trying….


  285. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Good to read you again. I have been away a while as well.

    Comment by hacker bob

    You too Brother, it’s been quite a couple of months for me, I been preparing for my daughter to leave to go to the Air Force Academy, and was planning to go back to Iraq, but as LUCK would have it MY RETIREMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED, 1 DEC 2007 BABY!!!

    I’m clearing right now and will start terminal leave on the 20th of this month. You can’t even imagine how happy I am right now.

    Anyway you guy’s be good to each other out there and I’ll be back.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  286. Rovianist says:

    But Bush was ILLEGALLY, surprise, Wiretapping the UN and knew that they would not authorize the attack……

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    Eavesdropping on U.N. diplomats is authorized under the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Services Act.

    http://rawstory.com/ news/2005/After_domestic_spying_reports_U.S._spying_1227.html


  287. RemoveBush says:

    Right. And they didn’t declare war. But they authorized the prez to use fordce. I didn’t make that up.

    And I like NIMROD = The mighty hunter.

    That may be my new name next week.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:00 pm

    That DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!!

    Congress can ONLY declare war!!!!!

    READ THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!!!!

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


  288. michael says:

    “soltz said it all!!

    Comment by Britisher — August 15, 2007″

    Like what?


  289. shane says:

    He’s not even trying….

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Oh I don’t know, he’s trying MY patience.


  290. michael says:

    “Finally, someone who says what needs saying.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007″

    And just how would you know what needs to be said?


  291. Zooey says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    Congratulations on your retirement, ToF. Great news!


  292. michael says:

    “If things keep going the way they’re going, we’ll get there soon enough. :-D

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007″

    How are things going?


  293. shane says:

    Like what?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    Like he said you’re an idiot. Right on the money.


  294. RemoveBush says:

    Bush did not violate any U.S. laws because Congress ceded their power to declare war to him. He violated intentional law and committed a war crime.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Actually, Congress does not have the power to cede power to the president……. So there are US laws that are broken……

    Though I argued with Anon about many things, he is correct in this. However, we all know that the Supreme Court will do NOTHING about that.


  295. Raven says:

    We are never as liberal as with advice.

    La Rochefoucauld, Maxims # 110

    Comment by Rovianist

    C’mon PP, that wasn’t advise, it was a definition.
    One which you asked for.
    And I’ve given you an entire new avenue to wallow down with your name creations, don’t I even get an attaboy?


  296. michael says:

    “Look it up.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007″

    Where?


  297. shane says:

    And just how would you know what needs to be said?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:11 pm

    We all know what needs to be said, that you’re a jackass.


  298. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Poor michael, as full of questions as he/she is full of shiite.

    Do you ever have a cogent thought of your own, or are you a true Neocon?


  299. JG says:

    Truth matters. Honor matters. Integrity matters. REALITY matters.. The lives of our soldiers matters VERY MUCH.. National security matters!
    Just words from a bunch of neocons put out there to steer their agenda.. Not so much..


  300. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Thx Zooey,

    Good to see that You’re still here posting away, take care.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  301. michael says:

    “He links to Ann Coulter’s site. Ugh.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007″

    What do you have against Ann Coulter?


  302. Zooey says:

    Oh I don’t know, he’s trying MY patience.
    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 10:11 pm

    Don’t give him the satisfaction. :P


  303. Rovianist says:

    “Everything is perfectly constitutional.

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:39 pm”

    Agreed!


  304. shane says:

    Where?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:13 pm

    Where’s your head now? Start there.


  305. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    What do you have against Ann Coulter?

    Comment by michael

    So full of questions, one wonders, what’s YOUR agenda, puke?


  306. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    Congrats on the retirement!!! Thanks for the years of dedicated service.

    I missed Iraq this round (Thank God) by getting orders to the school house at Ft. Leonard Wood. It sucks, but it ain’t Iraq!


  307. shane says:

    What do you have against Ann Coulter?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:14 pm

    This is a joke right, even you’re not this stupid.


  308. r says:

    “So you agree. Congress gave Bush the AUF, and he did.

    Declare War is as much a LIE as WMD!

    If you say it, even if you think it’s true, and it turns out to be false = You’re a LIAR!!!! (according to the libs)

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 9:52 pm”

    You don’t even know what your talking about!!!!!!

    It’s AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force)

    GEEZE!

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

    Thanks for correcting my acronym and not disputing anything I posted. We agree.


  309. michael says:

    “Good to see that You’re still here posting away, take care.

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007″

    The only thing she posts is nonsense!


  310. Raven says:

    What do you have against Ann Coulter?

    Comment by michael

    michael has an Ann Coulter air freshener (strawberry) that hangs from the rearview mirror of his Sierra.


  311. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Poor little dork michael,

    Needs a man-woman like Coulter to show him what a REAL man possesses between his legs…


  312. michael says:

    “This is a joke right, even you’re not this stupid.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007″

    Can’t answer the question?


  313. shane says:

    So full of questions, one wonders, what’s YOUR agenda, puke?

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

    michael doesn’t know what big words like agenda mean. You can probably tell that by all the 4 letter word questions he asks.


  314. Rovianist says:

    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 10:13 pm

    I said “thanks.” The Maxim was for shane, for she said:

    Why don’t you shove your Maxims where you obviously have your head.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

    So I said:

    We are never as liberal as with advice.

    La Rochefoucauld, Maxims # 110

    Sorry for the confusion, and thanks again for the definition.

    Attaboy.


  315. michael says:

    “what’s YOUR agenda, puke?

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007″

    Making people like you and zooey look stupid? Any more questions?


  316. RemoveBush says:

    Eavesdropping on U.N. diplomats is authorized under the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Services Act.

    http://rawstory.com/ news/2005/After_domestic_spying_reports_U.S._spying_1227.html

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    I guess you missed this little part?????

    “However, it’s still considered a violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which says that “The receiving state shall permit and protect free communication on the part of the mission for all official purposes… The official correspondence of the mission shall be inviolable.”"

    Since it is a TREATY we signed, it is IN FACT part of the US LAWS, as any treaties we sign become part of our Supreme law of the land…..


  317. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Can’t answer the question?

    Comment by michael

    F*ck you, you never post ANYTHING but questions.

    Grow your own brain-stem, Neocon d*cksucker.


  318. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Thx Bob

    Anybody who doesn’t have to go to Iraq is blessed Brother………PERIOD!!

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  319. michael says:

    “You can probably tell that by all the 4 letter word questions he asks.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007″

    Still can’t answer any of my questions?


  320. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    michael,

    why do you suck muslim d*ck?


  321. shane says:

    Can’t answer the question?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    I don’t answer questions my parrot asks me either. Neither one of you has the intellect to understand.


  322. Raven says:

    ‘Cept that now it’s so bleached by the sun she has a little yellow dress on, and smells like mouse droppings.


  323. Zooey says:

    This is a joke right, even you’re not this stupid.
    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 10:17 pm

    Anyone who has anything “against” Ann Coulter ought to be wearing a body condom.

    Someone should invent the body condom. :-D


  324. Rovianist says:

    I guess you missed this little part????? -RemoveBush

    Nope. I saw it.


  325. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    ANSWER:

    Cause he likes the salty after-taste!


  326. r says:

    Congress can ONLY declare war!!!!!

    READ THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!!!!

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    We agree on this. All I said was Bush Did Not Declare War.

    I think that’s true, no?


  327. ZPE says:

    How are things going?

    Comment by michael

    Hey michael, did you see what Ann Coltrane said:
    “”What I think is going to be fun,” she said, “is finding out how much of the architect Karl Rove actually was. I’ve gone back and forth between blaming Karl Rove for the stupid things Bush does and blaming Bush for the stupid stuff Bush does.”

    Heh.


  328. Nat says:

    Actually, Congress does not have the power to cede power to the president……. So there are US laws that are broken……

    Though I argued with Anon about many things, he is correct in this. However, we all know that the Supreme Court will do NOTHING about that.

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 10:13 pm

    I know it’s unconstitutional but the Congress did it anyway and Bush took advantage. Technically he did nothing wrong.


  329. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    …oh, and he likes to be dominated by MEN.


  330. shane says:

    Making people like you and zooey look stupid? Any more questions?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

    You’ve only made one person look stupid, ever. Take your time, look in a mirror, and maybe you’ll figure it out. Oh, remove your head from your ass first.


  331. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

    We may not always agree, But I agree with you this time, Brother.


  332. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    michael = rovian blowjob festival


  333. Zooey says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 15, 2007 @ 10:14 pm

    Thanks, ToF. I took a break from TP circus for a few days, but like to check in.

    Congrats to your daughter as well, for getting into the Air Force Academy. My nephew dreams of attending….


  334. Wayne says:

    Sorry to burst your bubble Wayne, but that pu$$y won’t show up. I already invited him to a party and he backed out when he found out I was serious.

    Comment by Spudge_Boy

    Doesn’t matter, he chose a club I work out at sometimes (ironic). I was planning on a workout Sat before I left for my sky-diving vacation anyway.
    $10 for the day using bags, weights, etc.


  335. Raven says:

    Attaboy.

    Comment by Rovianist

    Atacama!


  336. Nat says:

    We agree on this. All I said was Bush Did Not Declare War.

    I think that’s true, no?

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    No.


  337. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Anybody who doesn’t have to go to Iraq is blessed Brother………PERIOD!!
    Comment by Tired Of Fighting

    Thankfully, bob has a brigade to do the killin’ for him.


  338. ZPE says:

    Making people like you and zooey look stupid? Any more questions?

    Comment by michael

    Looks like your hero, Ann, thinks Karl or Bush, maybe both, do stupid stuff. What you say about that?


  339. trueblue says:

    The only thing she posts is nonsense!

    Comment by michael

    That has to be the most hypocritical post of the evening.

    WOW! How delusional is this poor troll?


  340. shane says:

    Still can’t answer any of my questions?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:21 pm

    Because Ann Coulter is a vile beast who any normal human being would ignore.

    Now answer mine, since it is impossible for you to sound any dumber than you do, why do you think you wouldn’t have been better off at a public school than you are having been homeschooled by your mommy?


  341. michael says:

    “F*ck you, you never post ANYTHING but questions.

    Grow your own brain-stem, Neocon d*cksucker.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2

    Such big words! Still attending public schools?


  342. Zooey says:

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

    Why do people jump out of perfectly good airplanes? :-D


  343. RemoveBush says:

    I think that’s true, no?

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    That is true, but are our soldiers not fighting in Iraq???

    He used the military ILLEGALLY!!!!

    Congress Authorized something that they don’t have authority to do……

    Your argument was “everything is perfectly constitutional”….. IT IS NOT!!!!


  344. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    michael, the bottom feeder of last year’s GOP talking points…

    B O R I N G . . .

    AND chock full of horsesh*t questions he doesn’t want answered.

    Too bad his wife has the upper hand, otherwise he MIGHT be a useful MAN.


  345. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper says:

    “Right. And they didn’t declare war. But they authorized the prez to use fordce. I didn’t make that up.
    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:00 pm”

    How many times must I point out that the authorization congress passed called for using force as a last possible resort after all other avenues were exhausted. It stipulated that the UN had to agree and that the inspectors had to finish their work. And, it stipulated that Bush had to come back to congress with written evidence of Saddam’s complicity in the 9-11 attack. Bush completely ignored the terms of the authorization, kicked out the inspectors and invaded. The only reason people aren’t fully aware of this is that the media didn’t report it. But, go back and read the authorization yourselves and then can this “congress authorized the war” b.s.


  346. michael says:

    “Because Ann Coulter is a vile beast who any normal human being would ignore.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007″

    Are you going to back that statement up or are you going to continue to play into my hands?


  347. trueblue says:

    Now answer mine, since it is impossible for you to sound any dumber than you do, why do you think you wouldn’t have been better off at a public school than you are having been homeschooled by your mommy?

    Comment by shane

    Because he wouldn’t have been able to suck on his mom’s t*ts all day in public school.


  348. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Still attending public schools?

    Comment by michael

    WOW!? More questions from Roves d*ck…

    Who even thought it was there?!???


  349. ZPE says:

    Still attending public schools?
    Comment by michael

    Say Didn’t Karl attend public school? Where did Karl get his degree from?


  350. Tired Of Fighting says:

    We may not always agree, But I agree with you this time, Brother.

    Comment by hacker bob

    Amen to that Brother.

    Congrats to your daughter as well, for getting into the Air Force Academy. My nephew dreams of attending….

    Comment by Zooey

    Thx Zooey,

    My Wife and I are truly proud, tell your Nephew he’ll get in, just keep wanting it and he’ll get it.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  351. RemoveBush says:

    I know it’s unconstitutional but the Congress did it anyway and Bush took advantage. Technically he did nothing wrong.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    Actually he did…..

    He lied to Congress…… He told them that he would ONLY use the AUMF as a last resort, when in fact it was his first.

    He was REQUIRED to get a second authorization from the UN, but did not!!!!

    There are plenty of things Bush did with this AUMF that was illegal as well….. To say “he did nothing wrong” is far from correct.


  352. r says:

    We agree on this. All I said was Bush Did Not Declare War.

    I think that’s true, no?

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    No.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 10:25 pm

    Wow. Call all your TP friends together and show me the Declaration of War.

    Or Not.


  353. trueblue says:

    Too bad his wife has the upper hand, otherwise he MIGHT be a useful MAN.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists

    Oh please – his wife IS the upper hand, I’m guessing his left………………………….


  354. Wayne says:

    Why do people jump out of perfectly good airplanes? :-D

    Comment by Zooey

    Fastest way to get back on solid ground =D


  355. shane says:

    Such big words! Still attending public schools?

    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

    Still waiting for you to answer my question about not going to public schools. Another question, same topic. Why are you so afraid of public schools, they wouldn’t accept your antisocial behavior?


  356. ZPE says:

    Yo, michael, its about time for your din din, isn’t it?


  357. Tired Of Fighting says:

    Why do people jump out of perfectly good airplanes? :-D

    Comment by Zooey

    I used to think that every time we were walking to the plane, but after standing up, hooking up, and shuffling to the door 328 times I LOVE IT!!!

    lol

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  358. shane says:

    Why do people jump out of perfectly good airplanes? :-D

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

    Same reason they whack a little white ball with a club only to follow it and whack it again. Plum crazy.


  359. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Tired of Fighting, congratulations and best of luck to your daughter from Wayne and I, too. Wayne’s rather partial to the Air Force. :)


  360. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    michael, its about time for your din din, isn’t it?
    Comment by ZPE

    Yes and no, but the punch-card with the year-old GOP talking points is stuck in the reader…


  361. shane says:

    Yo, michael, its about time for your din din, isn’t it?

    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

    He’s still breast fed. His dinner stays fresh a long time.


  362. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Is the GOP stipend for blogging not enough for high-speed access?

    Michael, you’re as slow as Xmas in January…


  363. r says:

    We agree on this. All I said was Bush Did Not Declare War.

    I think that’s true, no?

    Comment by r — August 15, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    No.

    Comment by Nat — August 15, 2007 @ 10:25 pm

    Wow. Call all your TP friends together and show me the Declaration of War.

    Or Not.


  364. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Oh I forgot, Neocons need to suckle for 8 hours per night to maintain their child-like outlook.


  365. thetruthhurts says:

    BREAKING NEWS***Michael Ware onCNN says that Iraqi forces are “nowhere near ready”, contradicting reports out of the White House that the military part of the surge is working.


  366. Wayne says:

    You too Brother, it’s been quite a couple of months for me, I been preparing for my daughter to leave to go to the Air Force Academy, and was planning to go back to Iraq, but as LUCK would have it MY RETIREMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED, 1 DEC 2007 BABY!!!

    I’m clearing right now and will start terminal leave on the 20th of this month. You can’t even imagine how happy I am right now.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting

    Congratz for your retirement and your daughter getting into the Academy.

    Awsome news.

    Sorry I missed the post earlier, was still at work.


  367. Rovianist says:

    Attaboy.

    Comment by Rovianist

    Atacama!

    Comment by Raven

    Adirondack.


  368. Zooey says:

    Fastest way to get back on solid ground =D
    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

    I’m never in that much of a hurry. :D


  369. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    BREAKING NEWS***Michael Ware onCNN says that Iraqi forces are “nowhere near ready”, contradicting reports out of the White House that the military part of the surge is working.
    Comment by thetruthhurts

    No time like the present for ALL chickenhawks to enlist, and put their “money” where their mouths are.


  370. ZPE says:

    He’s still breast fed. His dinner stays fresh a long time.
    Comment by shane

    I feel sorry for his pet. =)


  371. thetruthhurts says:

    r-you are correct! Bush never declared war. He got approval from Congress for more time for the IAEA inspectors, and to go BACK to the UN for an update. Then, he said FUKUM and gave the inspectors 48 hours to leave Iraq(right after they reported they had found NO WMDs.)


  372. hacker bob says:

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:25 pm

    Wow, I have my own brigade. Not to bad for an E-6.

    Have you always been so clueless?


  373. thetruthhurts says:

    just like Bush *technically* hasn’t served 2 terms as president. The law says a president can only serve 2 term elected to office. ELECTED. Bush has only been(officially)elected ONCE.


  374. Rovianist says:

    BREAKING NEWS***Michael Ware onCNN says that Iraqi forces are “nowhere near ready”, contradicting reports out of the White House that the military part of the surge is working.
    Comment by thetruthhurts

    No time like the present for ALL chickenhawks to enlist, and put their “money” where their mouths are.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

    Agreed. The fact that the Iraqi forces are “nowhere near ready” tells me that there are alot of Iraqi chickenhawks who need to enlist.


  375. ZPE says:

    Yes and no, but the punch-card with the year-old GOP talking points is stuck in the reader… Comment by RepublicansAreFascists

    I figured he was waiting for granny to go to sleep so he could sneak up from the basement and raid the icebox. 8^P


  376. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.


  377. r says:

    Comment by thetruthhurts — August 15, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

    Good for you for at least responding, unlike the regular truth avoiders out there.


  378. upside00 says:

    Hi my name is “wattstheproblem”.

    I’m a concern troll.

    Comment by Rujax!

    wattstheproblem and dr dog is also mr p, for those that have missed some of the past fun and games.


  379. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper says:

    Bush cultist: “Technically he did nothing wrong.”

    John Dean wrote a book called “Worse then Watergate.” In it, he outlines exactly what Bush did wrong with respect to the authorization and makes a strong case that there were impeachable offenses. He lied to congress. He didn’t live up to the terms of the agreement. He basically “bait and switched” them, which is understandable, since he’s a corporatist. Corporations bait and switch all the time.


  380. thetruthhurts says:

  381. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    …you’re/they’re no different than Bush/Cheney – i.e. glad to let someone else die for their/your cause.

    Pure cowardice.


  382. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper says:

    Sorry. Dean’s book is called “Worse Than Watergate.”


  383. thetruthhurts says:

    r-you’ll find i like to think before i,um, type


  384. Rovianist says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    So a Tper thinks that it is okay to insult a Soldier if he doesn’t share the TP ideological perspective.

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?


  385. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    ZPE-do i know u?
    Comment by thetruthhurts

    Ooh, it’s Mr. Pee’s M.O., i.e., trying to hook-up…


  386. Rovianist says:

    wattstheproblem and dr dog is also mr p, for those that have missed some of the past fun and games.

    Comment by upside00 — August 15, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    They are?


  387. Wayne says:

    I used to think that every time we were walking to the plane, but after standing up, hooking up, and shuffling to the door 328 times I LOVE IT!!!

    lol

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R. Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq
    Comment by Tired Of Fighting

    hehe
    Another adrenaline junkie.
    Thats why I still jump when I get a chance.
    Meeting with some friends I served in Desert Storm with next week, first get-together in 5years.


  388. hacker bob says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    whatever you want to think, princess.


  389. RemoveBush says:

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    I don’t agree with it, but I served to give them (and YOU) the right to do that if you wanted…….

    I guess that the Constitution is only valid when YOU deem it to be, right?


  390. Zooey says:

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?
    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    Nope.


  391. Ret. Col. Jack Ripper says:

    Rovianist: “Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?”

    Gosh, I couldn’t say. Do all Bush supporters think it’s OK to deny veterans educational benefits and veto pay raises for soldiers? Do all Bush supporters agree that soldiers don’t need rest between tours of combat duty? Do all Bush supporters agree that it was wise to give the Iraqi army vehicles designed to thwart roadside bombs but deny this technology to our own troops?


  392. thetruthhurts says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    So a Tper thinks that it is okay to insult a Soldier if he doesn’t share the TP ideological perspective.

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    I think RAF was referring to the fact that SOME people talk tough, but have no real personal experience(military or other) to back their comments up.

    BTW, have YOU ever served your country Rovianist?


  393. ZPE says:

    ZPE-do i know u?
    Comment by thetruthhurts

    ZEP


  394. whiteyfresh says:

    Hallo my POPStar(TM)!

    How is life treating you today?


  395. RemoveBush says:

    Rewriting history, jackass? Congress gave Bush an authorization to use force. Most Democrats voted to give him that blank check.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:49 pm

    I guess if YOU call THE FACTS as re-writing history??????

    All of that IS TRUE!!!

    So what was incorrect about what was said??????


  396. whiteyfresh says:

  397. shane says:

    Perhaps you should remove yours first?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    Ooooh, you’re not even trying, I hope.


  398. whiteyfresh says:

    RB-thank you for your service.
    *salutes*


  399. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    whatever you want to think, princess.
    Comment by hacker bob

    Really? Good then cause I know your a career man who is glad not to be in Iraq, but happy to serve.

    Serve what? A retarded Commander?

    And this makes you proud WHY?


  400. shane says:

    So a Tper thinks that it is okay to insult a Soldier if he doesn’t share the TP ideological perspective.

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    If you want other posters to control every post disagreement you should go over to some neocon site. We don’t need you here.


  401. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    This passes for debate here by liberal TPers.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    And name-jumping gives you the right to be a schizoid?


  402. katy says:

    HEY!

    sorry to intrude, but -

    has anybody tried Crooks and Liars lately???

    i get a white screen!

    eegads!

    almost time for my guys, but thought i’d ask…


  403. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    This passes for debate here by liberal TPers.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    Yet, it’s enough for a loser like you to come here seeking the attention you wife-beatin’ daddy couldn’t afford?


  404. ZPE says:

    Zepitepi? Comment by whiteyfresh

    Yuppers


  405. RemoveBush says:

    It was an authorization to use force. Anything you say otherwise is a lie.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    Really????

    So, when it put stipulations in that AUMF and they were not meat then that is a LIE????

    Since when does the Constitution provide the Congress the Authority to cede it’s powers to the President?????

    I’ll help you with that one…… IT DOES NOT!!!!

    Just because YOU don’t accept that YOUR KING is a CRIMINAL does not mean that what people point out from the AUMF is a LIE!!!!

    PROVIDE FACTS not your whinney ass opinions……


  406. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    Let RAF have his/her fun. All he/she is doing is entertaining themselves. Call me weak kneed, if that is the best they can come with. SOME people here believe in “Support the troops (that agree with us)” Republicans do the same.

    If you are military and do not agree with SOME in the progressive circle, you are a brainwashed, inbread, Bush-loving moron or week kneed after having served two tours in combat.

    Is short, RAF has the right to be wrong.

    Comment by thetruthhurts — August 15, 2007 @ 10:49 pm


  407. whiteyfresh says:

    So what was incorrect about what was said??????

    Comment by RemoveBush

    It was an authorization to use force. Anything you say otherwise is a lie.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
    Sonny,
    reread post#420-heh….
    r-you are correct! Bush never declared war. He got approval from Congress for more time for the IAEA inspectors, and to go BACK to the UN for an update. Then, he said FUKUM and gave the inspectors 48 hours to leave Iraq(right after they reported they had found NO WMDs.)

    Comment by thetruthhurts — August 15, 2007 @ 10:40 pm


  408. pete says:

    Happy to see all those “extra” personalities are feeling well and being industrious.


  409. shane says:

    It was an authorization to use force. Anything you say otherwise is a lie.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    Based on phony intelligence provide by Bushco. Is your brain unable to hold onto any facts?


  410. whiteyfresh says:

    C&L worked for me.


  411. Wayne says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists

    Bashing veterans and currently serving Soldiers, in Bob’s case, Marine is not cool, from trolls or you either.

    Debate the issues, that’s fine, but when you trash someone serving or that has served like this, you are going to piss me off and probably some other posters here.


  412. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    If you are military and do not agree with SOME in the progressive circle, you are a brainwashed, inbread, Bush-loving moron or week kneed after having served two tours in combat

    Right, and you have the right to be a sub-serviant member of society, which is what the Right-wing expects of you and your service.


  413. RemoveBush says:

    “Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 10:57 pm”

    I would respond, but I am not sure what is yours and what is someone else’s……

    Would you use the “italic” to distinguish so I can at least dispute what you are saying and not what you quoted???

    Thanks…..


  414. Zooey says:

    How is life treating you today?
    Comment by whiteyfresh — August 15, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

    Excellent as always. Having a nice glass of wine. :)

    How is life treating you, whitey?


  415. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    What crime did Bush commit?
    Comment by Sonny Black

    When you run out of lies, resort to empty, rhetorical questions…


  416. shane says:

    I’m not getting paid to post here by the DNC like you are…

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    That makes sense, the DNC pays us to post on a progressive site instead of on neocon sites. You really are an idiot.


  417. whiteyfresh says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    So a Tper thinks that it is okay to insult a Soldier if he doesn’t share the TP ideological perspective.

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    I think RAF was referring to the fact that SOME people talk tough, but have no real personal experience(military or other) to back their comments up.

    BTW, have YOU ever served your country Rovianist?

    Comment by thetruthhurts — August 15, 2007 @ 10:49 pm

    Still waiting on answer for this question,Rovian…
    (i wonder if it got assigned a new troll-name at the top of the hour…)


  418. whiteyfresh says:

    No bob, but I know a weak-kneed military man when I smell one.

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    So a Tper thinks that it is okay to insult a Soldier if he doesn’t share the TP ideological perspective.

    Do all Tpers think this is o.k.?

    Comment by Rovianist — August 15, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    I think RAF was referring to the fact that SOME people talk tough, but have no real personal experience(military or other) to back their comments up.

    BTW, have YOU ever served your country Rovianist?

    Comment by thetruthhurts — August 15, 2007 @ 10:49 pm

    Still waiting on answer for this question,Rovian…
    (i wonder if it got assigned a new troll-name at the top of the hour…)

    Zooey?you still here?


  419. shane says:

    Link that Bush provided phony intel?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    Where are the WMDs? Then you can google Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame for starters.


  420. whiteyfresh says:

    oops-dang wordpress..


  421. hacker bob says:

    Really? Good then cause I know your a career man who is glad not to be in Iraq, but happy to serve.

    Serve what? A retarded Commander?

    And this makes you proud WHY?

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 10:53 pm

    Yep, I am a career man. I am happy to serve. YOU make the mistake of thinking I serve the President. I serve the NATION. My contract is not with the President (Bush or otherwise) it is with the Nation.

    I am also proud that I have served my time honorably. I have done two (duex, dos, 2, II, take your pick) tours in Iraq and now my duties are to teach young men and women how to STAY ALIVE and COME HOME IN ONE PIECE if they get sent to Iraq.

    You are right, nothing to be proud of there, cheese dick. /sarc>


  422. RemoveBush says:

    What crime did Bush commit?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:02 pm

    It has been answered many time, but once more for the sloooow folks….

    - He was to return to the UN for a SECOND authorization from them. He did not because he was ILLEGALLY wiretapping the UN and knew he did not have the votes from the.

    - He LIED to Congress, as he told them this authorization would be used as a last resort….. When in fact it was his first resort.

    - He Falsified the information provided to the Congress, which they used to authorize the AUMF.

    - He used White Fospherus material in the attacks, which are against the international treaties we have signed.

    I can go on, and on……


  423. shane says:

    So Sonny Blackheart is CT. What’s the matter CT, afraid to use your own name, or was it banned. Keep talking about my kids and it will happen again.


  424. whiteyfresh says:

    you beat me to it,shane…
    :D


  425. Zooey says:

    Yep whitey, I’m still here. :)


  426. RemoveBush says:

    Link that Bush provided phony intel?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    Not that you will believe it, but…..

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040607A.shtml

    I could spend hours digging up the information, but so could YOU if you did a little RESEARCH!!!!


  427. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    Link that Bush provided phony intel?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    _________________

    Link? I’ll give you links!


  428. shane says:

    you beat me to it,shane…
    :D

    Comment by whiteyfresh — August 15, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

    Well realizing it’s CT isn’t exactly a good thing. More like realizing the neighborhood just got a new kid nobody like.


  429. Osama says:

    I was born about a quarter of a mile from where we are sitting now and I was here in London during the Blitz. And every night I went down into the shelter. 500 people killed, my brother was killed, my friends were killed. And when the Charter of the UN was read to me, I was a pilot coming home in a troop ship: ‘We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind.’ That was the pledge my generation gave to the younger generation and you tore it up. And it’s a war crime that’s been committed in Iraq, because there is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. Both kill innocent people for political reasons.


  430. shane says:

    test….

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

    Go ahead, post about my kid again so I can get you banned. I can’t wait.


  431. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    test….

    Comment by Sonny Black

    Ah, another ‘F’ for the flunkie…


  432. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Only stupid-a$$ed, computer-illiterate fools post a “test” comment, especially if they feel they deserve banishment.

    F*CKING LOSERS.


  433. RemoveBush says:

    Bill Clinton said Saddam had them. Did Clinton lie?

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

    Define the WMD’s Clinton was talking about?????

    We found some OLD Mustard gas canisters, and that can be claimed as WMD’s but they are basically useless……

    Define what Clinton called WMD’s and provide a link since you are so admimant about others doing that.


  434. whiteyfresh says:

    hacker bob-you served?


  435. Wayne says:

    Really? Good then cause I know your a career man who is glad not to be in Iraq, but happy to serve.
    Serve what? A retarded Commander?
    And this makes you proud WHY?
    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists

    Hey, f*ckwit, I served under Reagan and Bush 1, want to smear me too?
    If I had not been injured in Desert Storm, I would probably still be serving. People don’t serve because of the current President, idiot.
    I served because I believe in the foundation of this country.

    I am also proud that I have served my time honorably. I have done two (duex, dos, 2, II, take your pick) tours in Iraq and now my duties are to teach young men and women how to STAY ALIVE and COME HOME IN ONE PIECE if they get sent to Iraq.
    Comment by hacker bob

    I salute your service, Bob.
    Just ignore this dipsh*t, he is as bad as the Dog troll.


  436. Larry Seiferth Jr. says:

    Soltz is a tough son-of-a-gun, ex-military Iraq War veteran with a head on his shoulders and without fear of these stuffed shirt Republicans who have never seen a battlefield. Chickenhawks beware! Yours is not the only voice on military matters anymore. Go blue!!


  437. Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR says:

    Bill Clinton said Saddam had them. Did Clinton lie?

    Saddam DID have WMD’s. Up to 1995.

    That’s when they were DESTROYED, according to Kamel, Saddam’s brother-in-law.

    And before you say he’s not a reliable source, Bush and his Pentagon used PART of Kamel’s statement, just not the part about DESTROYED.

    I don’t know if CLINTON is a liar.

    I DO know that Bush is a LIAR and TRAITOR to the USA, who outed our WMD spy for revenge against her husband, Joe Wilson, so

    Bush and his criminals SABOTAGED our NATIONAL SECURITY for being exposed as a LIAR about “yellowcake”.


  438. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    I already reported you to TP for posting about my kid.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

    ____________

    Link or lies.


  439. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    I already reported you to TP for posting about my kid.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    REALLY? As if you had a kid?!!

    Report me you stupid tool! I’ve been here for YEARS and never been banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    F*ck your retarded, mexican-whore-mom child!!!!


  440. hacker bob says:

    I would respond, but I am not sure what is yours and what is someone else’s……

    Would you use the “italic” to distinguish so I can at least dispute what you are saying and not what you quoted???

    Thanks…..

    Comment by RemoveBush — August 15, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    The entire post was mine. I forgot the Italics. Sorry.


  441. Zooey says:

    Bill Clinton said Saddam had them. Did Clinton lie?
    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

    Provide a link, or this is a lie.


  442. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    If I had not been injured in Desert Storm, I would probably still be serving. People don’t serve because of the current President, idiot.
    I served because I believe in the foundation of this country.
    Comment by Wayne

    Injured in the FIRST war based on lies.

    Congrats! You survived your first test of “Darwinism”. Lucky you, except for the “believe in the foundation” bullsh*t you were fed.


  443. had enough says:

    #2 kdoug

    Move on sent me a copy of that also… a must see for all.


  444. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    If you post about my kids again, I’m going to get you banned.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    That’s cool! We’ll just name-jump like you, Mr. Urine.


  445. whiteyfresh says:

    2 kdoug

    Move on sent me a copy of that also… a must see for all.

    Comment by had enough — August 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm

    Is that the 94-why we SHOULDN’T go into Baghdad speech from Cheeney?


  446. whiteyfresh says:

    Q-do people REALLY get ‘banned’ from TP????


  447. ZPE says:

    Links or they are lies. Your choice.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    Oh BS you know how to use the Google, and since your the one demanding the claim the proof of burden is on you to prove otherwise.


  448. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Son,
    Are you going to send your KIDS to die for your agenda?

    Didn’t think so, oh BRAVE AND MIGHTY DEFENDER OF FREEDOM!!!


  449. whiteyfresh says:

    Jon Soltz for Secretary of Defense ‘08

    Comment by Raven — August 15, 2007 @ 6:28 pm

    and the perfect choice for the next AG iiiiiisss..
    any takers?


  450. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Is that the 94-why we SHOULDN’T go into Baghdad speech from Cheeney?
    Comment by whiteyfresh

    As they say in the upper-mid-west: “you betcha!”


  451. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    That’s it. You’re gone. I’m reporting your sorry ass to TP.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    GOOD LUCK! Like I said, TP has NOT the technology to ban, only to monitor, and I’ve been here for years, UNLIKE YOU.

    Besides, it’s a legit question oh mighty brave man! If you’re such a bada$$, certainly you’ve infected you’re poor children with the same malady.


  452. Zooey says:

    Q-do people REALLY get ‘banned’ from TP????
    Comment by whiteyfresh — August 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm

    Apparently not, if they are determined to be here.

    It seems that our trolls like to work extra hard to be stupid. They’ve probably been banned from other sites.


  453. whiteyfresh says:

    at LEAST 500 toops dead in largest(?) single coordinated attack since the war(?) began..


  454. Typical Defeatocrat says:

    Bill Clinton was making the case to go into Baghdad at this time.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
    __________

    Link?


  455. whiteyfresh says:

    Michael Ware is coming up on CNN-might be worth a looky-loo…


  456. ZPE says:

    If you can’t, then withdraw the comment.
    Comment by Sonny Black

    Withdraw all the insane things you posted over the last month first.


  457. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Hey, maybe they’d look better just outfitted with the latest Jihad burka?!


  458. Wayne says:

    Injured in the FIRST war based on lies.

    Congrats! You survived your first test of “Darwinism”. Lucky you, except for the “believe in the foundation” bullsh*t you were fed.
    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists

    Yep, you are an a$$hole.
    Kuwait was invaded and Sadam did some pretty bad stuff there.
    Yeah, I am proud of my service. Just like I am proud of my family serving this country for many generations.
    Desert Storm was not the only action I was in either.

    Like I said in another post, debate is fine, but you are way over the line bubba


  459. Zooey says:

    Rick Santorum, under President Thompson.
    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 11:29 pm

    Good god, why are you alive? You’re too stupid to breathe.


  460. katy says:

    *
    oh boy… wait till you guys see the daily show…
    steven hayes- cheney book…
    jon got emotional…

    i have a serious question:

    that 1994 video clip of cheney reasoning why they didn’t invade iraq -
    what show / venue was that recorded from?
    who has been keeping something like that secret all these years?
    hayes said he included quotes from 93 and 95 that said basically the same thing (quagmire, bogged down, not worth the deaths, etc)…

    why wasn’t this cheney LIE known before now?


  461. ZPE says:

    Don’t waste your time.
    Comment by Dr. Dog

    LOL, Anne Coulter says Bush and Rove did stupid things. HEH!

    Talk about Democratic talking points! Thanks Ann!


  462. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Comment by Wayne

    Sorry to inform you, but your action only “emboldened” the enemy.

    Sad, but true, you little unknowing “enablers” of hatred.


  463. Zooey says:

    I got Bartlebee banned.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:31 pm

    That’s a lie.


  464. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Coulter is good for a f*ck. Nothing more.
    Comment by Dr. Dog

    …as long as YOU’RE the one with the c*nt…


  465. ZPE says:

    I got four words for you Sonny.

    Ahmed Chalabi
    Curve Ball


  466. ZPE says:

    Coulter is good for a f*ck. Nothing more.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Bwahahah. The other day the trolls were saying how smart she was!

    Funny how quick the Dog bites its mistress!


  467. Wayne says:

    Don’t act so gleeful about it.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    I am gleeful you selected the club I use for Saturday.
    UFC rules and one of my friends who is from Austin Police agreed to be referee. Gonna be fun.

    See you there. Troll


  468. whiteyfresh says:

    LOL, Anne Coulter says Bush and Rove did stupid things. HEH!

    Talk about Democratic talking points! Thanks Ann!

    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    Did you see the Colbert DNA special?


  469. Zooey says:

    Ronjazz/methman was banned from redstate, free republic and lucianne.com.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    That’s not saying much.

    Oh, and prove it, or it’s a lie.


  470. katy says:

    marcos on colbert!
    amazing what stephen gets away with…
    this is gonna cause a stir… very funny…


  471. hacker bob says:

    hacker bob-you served?

    Comment by whiteyfresh — August 15, 2007 @ 11:19 pm

    Please, you didn’t know?

    I salute your service, Bob.
    Just ignore this dipsh*t, he is as bad as the Dog troll.

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 11:19

    Wayne, I return the salute. I agree, ignore the gnat and they will fly away.


  472. BARTLEBEE says:

    So Dog, does this mean Ann is a traitor?

    Mwahaha.


  473. gummitch says:

    I am gleeful you selected the club I use for Saturday.
    UFC rules and one of my friends who is from Austin Police agreed to be referee. Gonna be fun.

    See you there. Troll

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    Don’t hold your breath, Wayne. Li’l Puppy will hunker down behind its keyboard and either change its handle to something a little more masculine or, more likely, come up with a “haha! tricked you stupid lib!” excuse while, well, hunkered down behind its keyboard.


  474. Zooey says:

    Bartlebee is forced to use another handle because he was banned last night.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    What’s his new handle, liar?


  475. ZPE says:

    Did you see the Colbert DNA special?
    Comment by whiteyfresh

    Sorry, no, I didn’t. I hardly ever turn the TV on. What transpired?


  476. whiteyfresh says:

    apparently their still waiting for a response for Coulter on whether or not she has dna…


  477. gummitch says:


    Ronjazz/methman was banned from redstate, free republic and lucianne.com.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    That’s not saying much.

    Oh, and prove it, or it’s a lie.

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    Links! We need links! And I do not mean pork sausage.

    Links, Li’l Puppy!


  478. ZPE says:

    WOW, look Dog, I see a post from BARTLEBEE.

    Kind of makes you a liar eh?


  479. Zooey says:

    The libs are out debating tonight!
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

    No, that is called a “statement.”

    You don’t know definitions for the words “projection” or “debate,” do you?


  480. Zooey says:

    Kind of makes you a liar eh?
    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 11:45 pm

    Heh.


  481. Wayne says:

    I can’t wait, Wayne. You’re going to tap out.
    Comment by Dr. Dog

    yeah, yeah, right.
    Better train up.

    Gonna knock you clean out for Tired of Fighting, a retirement gift for him.

    And I see BARTLEBEE posting, you lying twit.
    You got him banned……. hahahahahaha


  482. hacker bob says:

    This RAF pig is just a “Troll of a different color”. Trying to inflame by attacking Vets and thise serving. Next thing you know, Bill O. will point to “it’s” posts and say “Look at the hate”.

    Oh, and because it hasn’t been said in a while.

    RAF: F*ck you, you f*cking f*ck


  483. Zooey says:

    I posted that as a joke.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

    Prove it, or it’s a lie.


  484. ZPE says:

    apparently their still waiting for a response for Coulter on whether or not she has dna… Comment by whiteyfresh

    Heh. or a Y chromosome.

    Yo, Dog, I see BARTLEBEE above.

    You lied to us. Your credibility is diminishing rapidly.


  485. Egreggious says:

    Did I miss something? Did Clinton go to war with Iraq?


  486. Zooey says:

    Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm

    If Dog shows up (he won’t), please make him cry. I’ll give you my email address, and you can send me pictures. :)


  487. Zooey says:

    RAF: F*ck you, you f*cking f*ck
    Comment by hacker bob — August 15, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

    Oh Robert, I love you. :D


  488. ZPE says:

    Well, I can see that debating with Dog is futile as he makes stuff up as he goes.

    Sheesh.

    I would write Karl a letter to ask for better trolls….gee darn, he aint there no more.


  489. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    I posted that as a joke.
    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Right, then he/she HAS NOT been banned, and you just proved it TROLL.


  490. Zooey says:

    Comment by Egreggious — August 15, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

    Hey Egg,

    Where the f*ck ya been? :)


  491. Egreggious says:

    Where the f*ck ya been? :)

    Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    I have been completely catered out.


  492. Keith says:

  493. Zooey says:

    I would write Karl a letter to ask for better trolls….gee darn, he aint there no more.
    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    TP supplies it’s own trolls now, through their remedial troll program.

    It’s very special.


  494. Wayne says:

    Don’t hold your breath, Wayne. Li’l Puppy will hunker down behind its keyboard and either change its handle to something a little more masculine or, more likely, come up with a “haha! tricked you stupid lib!” excuse while, well, hunkered down behind its keyboard.
    Comment by gummitch

    Doesn’t matter, I was going to workout Sat anyway before flying out, and the fool must have googled and chose the same exact club I use, hilarious.

    If he doesn’t show, I would have been there anyway. I doubt he will show, he chickened on Spudge-boy


  495. gummitch says:


    I’m going to put Wayne in an arm bar, gummitch, and the lib is going to tap out.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:44 pm

    I kind of doubt it. I think maybe Wayne knows something about kaeshi waza. I know I do.

    I’m happy to pass along a few tips if necessary.


  496. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Hey Bob, I guess the Military doesn’t provide counseling for your anger management issues.

    Good thing you have access to high-powered firearms…


  497. Mrs. Dog says:

    I just posted under the handle of Bartlebee as a joke to make you libs respond, and of course you did.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm

    This is completely true.


  498. gummitch says:

    I just posted under the handle of Bartlebee as a joke to make you libs respond, and of course you did.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm

    Shorter Li’l Puppy: “I’m a liar and utterly untrustworthy. I will say anything if it makes me feel important. I have no life.”

    Well, maybe not so short.


  499. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    Dr. Dog

    WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

    TP doesn’t have the ability (them or their ISP) to ban ANYONE.

    All they can do is “live moderate” and delete those who’ve been bad.

    It’s NEVER stopped me from posting…


  500. ZPE says:

    It’s very special.

    Comment by Zooey

    It must be one of those short yellow buses.


  501. Zooey says:

    This is completely true.
    Comment by Mrs. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:56 pm

    We’ll need a note from your mama as well, dingleberry.


  502. Zooey says:

    It must be one of those short yellow buses.
    Comment by ZPE — August 15, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    Yes, the bus was manufactured by the people who build Minis.


  503. RepublicansAreFascists says:

    …even IF they tried to block your IP, just renew your DSL connection and PRESTO, back in business…

    Until they FINALLY agree to registration, this will ALWAYS be the case.


  504. Zooey says:

    I have been completely catered out.
    Comment by Egreggious — August 15, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    Well, I hope staying away from TP was worth all the cheese puffs and caviar.

    Sheesh…..


  505. Egreggious says:

    Oddly, there really were cheese puffs. No one could understand why I was ROFL.


  506. Zooey says:

    Until they FINALLY agree to registration, this will ALWAYS be the case.
    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    Faiz promised registration within the month — a month ago.

    Here’s his email address: FShakir@americanprogress.org

    Let’s all ask him about it.


  507. Egreggious says:

    Faiz seems unfazed by our appeals.


  508. ZPE says:

    Dr Dog reminds me of Goldstein for some odd reason. The Hegelian Asperger syndrome, Cheetos, speed, plenty of time on his hands, home all day and night…..


  509. Zooey says:

    Oddly, there really were cheese puffs. No one could understand why I was ROFL.
    Comment by Egreggious — August 16, 2007 @ 12:03 am

    **snort**

    Check my FB list for a new addition. :)


  510. Wayne says:

    He’s going to need every tool in his arsenal. I’ll have him tapping in under 2 minutes.
    Comment by Dr. Dog

    blah, blah, blah….

    please do show up.
    I am going to make you eat every word.


  511. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Oddly, there really were cheese puffs. No one could understand why I was ROFL.

    Comment by Egreggious — August 16, 2007 @ 12:03 am

    Did you need to explain your reaction to anyone? Did you refer to them as Cheezy Pufes”? :D


  512. hacker bob says:

    Hey Bob, I guess the Military doesn’t provide counseling for your anger management issues.

    Good thing you have access to high-powered firearms…

    Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 15, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

    You call this anger? You are providing entertainment. I am laughing at you and you mistake it for anger. I am just treating you like the cheap b*tch you are. Now, get back on your knees and finish me off.


  513. Egreggious says:

    Hi, Jane.

    I was away for a bit checking on Zooey’s FB addition, which has been noted and acted upon.

    My insistence that I could not have Cheezy Pufes without a Box O’ Wine did raise a few eyebrows. I guess some people just don’t know how to live.


  514. Egreggious says:

    Hey Egg, what’s up, man?

    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:19 am

    Nothing, until you showed up! ;)

    How have you been, my favorite troll?


  515. Egreggious says:

    It’s milder than hacker bob’s comment.


  516. hacker bob says:

    sorry Egg, I had to go there.


  517. Egreggious says:

    Eck, I’d love to repeat our former cesspool experience, but I’m a little under the weather tonight. I’m glad I don’t have to fight Wayne any time soon. Anyway, I think I’ll curl up with some tea and a book and call it a night.


  518. Egreggious says:

    Eck, you are 18 or over, right?


  519. Egreggious says:

    Good night, y’all!


  520. Egreggious says:

    Egg, yes. That was a joke!

    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:28 am

    Whew! I didn’t want to have to resign in shame to spend more time with my godawful family.


  521. Egreggious says:

    Looks like it’s just the two of us again, Eck.


  522. Egreggious says:

    And now, seriously, good night.


  523. Wayne says:

    Have you ever been in a camel clutch, Wayne? You will on Saturday.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    hahahaha

    Have you ever fought a 4th dan?
    Ever seen someone break concrete bricks with their fists and feet?
    breaking wooden boards is so passe, too easy.
    You will find out what that type blow does to the body, since you have pushed the rhetoric this far. Now, I will not hold back, since you are talking trash.
    24 inch circumference biceps ready to jack you up now.

    Be there chickenhawk. You have pushed a bit too far.

    I don’t bluff or lie and I sure as hell don’t back down.
    You have no idea who you the f*ck are toying with.

    Be ready to sign a non liability release before they let you get in the ring.


  524. hacker bob says:

    Be ready to sign a non liability release before they let you get in the ring.

    Comment by Wayne — August 16, 2007 @ 12:33 am

    Don’t forget to get it all on video for us!!!!


  525. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Sorry, I was away ordering some clogs.

    Hey, Egg, Eck, Wayne, who else is up?


  526. Rovianist says:

    Mr. P, you here man??

    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:29 am
    ———-

    What’s up, The Eck?


  527. ronjazz says:

    Ronjazz/methman was banned from redstate, free republic and lucianne.com.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 15, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    All patriots are banned from those toiletbowls. Any that are foolish enough to go to them, with the lies and poison that comes from the Ratwing cowards who will defend their country with words but not deeds. I actually haven’t been banned from anywhere, ball-licker, but thatnks for the compliments.


  528. Wayne says:

    Don’t forget to get it all on video for us!!!!
    Comment by hacker bob

    taking my Sony video camera, one of my friends will probably be glad to shoot the fight for me. One already offered to ref.


  529. Rovianist says:

    Jane and The Eck,

    You should show up earlier, it’s almost 1am on the East Coast.


  530. Wayne says:

    Hey, Egg, Eck, Wayne, who else is up?

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Hi Jane. =)


  531. Zooey says:

    Goodnight, Egg. :D


  532. Zooey says:

    Wade Boggs & Jane,

    Long time no see. :)


  533. ronjazz says:

    George W. Bush is going to go down as a great president.

    Comment by Sonny Black — August 15, 2007 @ 10:45 pm

    George Bush is going to go down ON a great president.


  534. Zooey says:

    Ick??? Zooey how could you?
    YOU threw up on me, remember!? ;)
    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:51 am

    Well then, my typo was correct, was it not? :D


  535. Zooey says:

    sorry Egg, I had to go there.
    Comment by hacker bob — August 16, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    Ew…..barf.


  536. ronjazz says:

    Rove’s being forced out is the result of him not winning any elections. He is in deep, deep shit, and will do a lot of jail time. Stealing elections in a democracy should be a death-penalty felony. He was certainly the worst example of an “American” ever to have access to the White House, which is saying something, after male whore Jeff Gannon practically lived in the Presidential Quarters for years. The Rove-Bush-Gannon threesomes are on videotape, and will be a great source of amusement for many years. The GOP is done, and not a moment too soon. Their connections with and support of Al Qaeda are the most shameless chapter in our history.


  537. Rovianist says:

    He will be missed.

    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:49 am
    ——

    Yes he will. Good summation of Rove’s career.


  538. Buck Fush says:

    Ah, the poor trolls don’t like the truth it seems…..they all called their troll buddies, thinking that if they all started spamming repukian talking points that they could fool someone into thinking their sick way of thinking ….no, we see right thru you idiots.


  539. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Hey, Wayne, seems like we’re all looking forward to that video!:)

    Rovianist (if that IS your real name), I did show up earlier, but I didn’t feel like posting, what with all the nasty trolls. So I bought shoes instead. I can’t hang out, must get sleep!

    I’ll try to stop in tomorrow night. Goodnight, all!


  540. Zooey says:

    Damnit!!!!
    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:58 am

    You’ll always be my first.

    I’m pretty sure you’re the first……yeah, you’re the first. :P


  541. Rovianist says:

    Thanks, man. Is there any truth to the rumor that he will be working on Fred Thompson’s campaign?

    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:59 am
    ————–

    You know the drill. We will wait and see, then we will act like we already knew what he was going to do.

    Goodnight, Jane.


  542. Zooey says:

    I’ll try to stop in tomorrow night. Goodnight, all!
    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — August 16, 2007 @ 12:59 am

    Goodnight, Jane!!

    Say hi to Wayne!


  543. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Sorry – Hi and Goodnight, Zooey! I’ve been too tired to even lurk most nights recently, all that overtime at work fighting with our new software is catching up to me.

    See ya!


  544. Zooey says:

    He will be missed. I will chaulk up 2006 to the famous 6th year itch.
    Comment by The Eck — August 16, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    Shorter Rove WH career = Failure


  545. Wayne says:

    Shorter Rove WH career = Failure
    Comment by Zooey

    He sure blew it in 2006……


  546. Zooey says:

    He sure blew it in 2006……
    Comment by Wayne — August 16, 2007 @ 1:11 am

    If Rove is the “genius” behind the Bush WH, he sure diminishes the word “genius,” doesn’t he? I mean, look at the state of things!!

    Derpa derpa….


  547. Buck Fush says:

    Violence is bad, you all know that.
    I unfortunately had to deal some violence to a repukian idiot. When I saw him he was ripping a protest sign from a 6 year old and her mother was protesting. I told him to pick on someone his own size, so he attacks me, I kick box 3-4 times weekly, so I just dodge him for a while, he is mid 30s I am mid 50s, he thinks he can take the grey hair guy out, good thing it was winter and I had a down jacket on, otherwise he would have thought better of his choice. He got tired and wipped off his belt, with the big redneck belt buckle, well now this is different, now I have to deal some damage, he swings a couple of times, I dodge, then one punch the a-hole into next week, I don’t like hurting people but this felt real good at this point. So I look at him laying there without his belt, mmmm, so I pull his shirt above his head and pull his pants down beyond his feet, and roll him over and put his, “Libs (heart) terrorists” sign on top of him. Many, many people passe him laughing. I did not like it, but it felt good, my bad.


  548. Zooey says:

    Comment by Buck Fush — August 16, 2007 @ 1:29 am

    Nice one….

    That coward deserved it.


  549. troll alert says:

    The post by BARTLEBEE at- 11:42 was a fake.
    He NEVER posts just once on a thread.
    Plus that was not his style at all.


  550. Probus says:

    Soltz has credibility on the Iraq war because he served in combat in Iraq. Further the facts on the ground in Iraq bear out his positions on the issues. Also it doesn’t help that he always ends up debating the Iraq war with republicans who have never served in combat.


  551. shane says:

    whatYour kids are as dumb as you Sonny Blackheart. F*ck them.

    Comment by shane — August 15, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

    THIS IS A NAMEJACKING BY CT. YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED, AGAIN.


  552. Lora says:

    Such big words! Still attending public schools?
    Comment by michael — August 15, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

    Hey, michael, my public high school in California produced a Nobel Prize-winning scientist; Stuyvesant High, a public school in New York, has produced four Nobel laureates. Meanwhile, the university you claim to have attended (Pepperdine) has yet to produce even one Nobel Prize winner, and it’s a sure bet that neither has your high school (or your home school). Your attempts to pretend you are so superior are just that–attempts that fall flat and smell like your flatulence.


  553. Lora says:

    So I look at him laying there without his belt, mmmm, so I pull his shirt above his head and pull his pants down beyond his feet, and roll him over and put his, “Libs (heart) terrorists” sign on top of him. Many, many people passe him laughing. I did not like it, but it felt good, my bad.
    Comment by Buck Fush —

    Good for you, Buck F. I normally don’t like violence, but the guy obviously deserved it I wonder if he was the same troll who has posted here under names like “LiberalsHeartTerrorists/HillaryIsACommunist/IHeartAlito/
    LiberalsDestroyedAmerica, etc.


  554. Probus says:

    Cheney is considered to be the most powerful vice president in our history. Yet he has done nothing to help our troops. He could have made sure they got the equipment, the uparmored humvees and the body armor they needed to do their jobs. He didn’t. If Cheney had bothered to serve in combat instead of taking 5 deferments he would care more about the troops.


  555. shane says:

    Be ready to sign a non liability release before they let you get in the ring.

    Comment by Wayne — August 16, 2007 @ 12:33 am

    Wayne, will you just let Dogbreath believe he can take you so the little pr*ck shows up. Oh how I wish I could be there. Usually I don’t like to see grown men cry, but for Doggiepoo I’ll make an exception.


  556. shane says:

    Many, many people passe him laughing. I did not like it, but it felt good, my bad.

    Comment by Buck Fush — August 16, 2007 @ 1:29 am

    I never have a video camera when I really need it either. I feel like you did that for all of us and we thank you.


  557. Uriah Heap says:

    To show what sort of monster Cheney is you just have to consider the fate of our troops if he does get his wish to attack Iran. Our nation stands at the brink of disaster.


  558. Quasi Historian says:

    Quiz…..

    who said this ???

    “When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.”


  559. John says:

    Cheney hates America.


  560. hellinabucket says:

    Thank Mr. Soltz for your service and for speaking out.


  561. dumplings says:

    Cheney hates America.

    Comment by John — August 16, 2007 @ 9:05 am

    Is that you Soltz?

    Get back in your cage before Arriana finds you missing!


  562. frenchfries says:

    These war enablers don’t have the slightest idea about anything Middle-east. It’s just amazing.


  563. katy says:

    i guessed correctly, before googling:

    “When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.”

    -Eisenhower, Press conference: 1953
    http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/speeches/on_war_quotes.html

    oh, and TP, thanks for cleaning up the original dog poop…


  564. Parrotlover77 says:

    Straw man argument that nobody is talking about invading Iran? Man this guy is as out to lunch as Cheney. We’ve heard TONS from the neocon side about invading Iran!

    Why do conservatives not understand the concept of recording devices? That we can actually go back and listen to what they said at an earlier time?


  565. timeisart says:

    The comments on this site remind me of the days of so-called professional wrestling, when one fat guy with muscles gets up and shouts challenges and the other fat guy on steroids responds likewise.


  566. Paul Sheldon Foote says:

    Move America Forward’s blogger has posted details of her June 2007 trip to Paris, France to visit Maryam Rajavi, leader of the Iranian Communist MEK (MKO, PMOI, NCRI, Rajavi Cult, or Pol Pot of Iran) terrorists. The MEK is a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). In September 2002, the White House listed the MEK as a pretext for the Iraq War. In 2003, American and coalition military forces attacked Camp Ashraf, Iraq, killing some of the MEK terrorists. Move America Forward is promoting the murderers of American military officers, Rockwell International employees, and large numbers of Iranians and Iraqis. The MEK has committed a terrorist act in New York City. America’s worst enemies are not in the Middle East.



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