Woolsey Claims Iran Could Have Nuclear Bomb In ‘A Few Months’
Woolsey Claims Iran Could Have Nuclear Bomb In ‘A Few Months’
During an appearance on CNN’s Lou Dobbs last night, former CIA director James Woolsey, one of the earliest advocates of invading Iraq, claimed that Iran “could have” a nuclear bomb in “a few months.”
“The Iranians continue to work on getting enriched uranium,” said Woolsey. “I’m afraid within, well, at worst, a few months; at best, a few years; they could have a bomb.” Watch it:
Woolsey is doing nothing more than fear-mongering when he says Iran could have a nuclear bomb in “a few months.” In fact, his assertion of an impending nuclear weapon in Iran is contradicted by experts on nuclear weapons, including the CIA.
“Iran is still probably five to 10 years away from gaining the ability to make nuclear fuel or nuclear bombs,” according to Joseph Cirincione, the director for nuclear policy at the Center for American Progress. In May, Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the UN’s the International Atomic Energy Agency, said “even if Iran wanted to go for a nuclear weapon, it would not be before the end of this decade or sometime in the middle of the next decade,” an estimate that echoed the view of the CIA.
Additionally, Woolsey is a suspect source for claims of urgency when it comes to nuclear weapons, having repeatedly hyped Saddam Hussein’s nuclear capability during the build up to war with Iraq:
“It is urgent that we begin this process of bringing democracy to the Middle East before the region’s most dangerous dictator — Saddam Hussein — gets nuclear weapons.” [5/21/02]
“I think it would be a lot easier to stop Saddam now than it would be two or three years from now when he would be almost certain to have nuclear weapons.” [1/10/03]
Unsatisfied with just invading Iraq, Woolsey is again pushing specious claims of imminent nuclear bombs, hoping the U.S. will move on to Iran next.
Transcript:
LOU DOBBS: Let’s begin with the issue of — the administration has stated categorically, you know, our generals have stated categorically that as many of the third of the deaths last month, for example, were caused by Iranian support of the insurgency and the provision of those shaped charges killing so many of our troops.Why is there no reaction by this government and this military?
JAMES WOOLSEY: I don’t know. The Persians invented chess and the Iranians are doing a pretty good job of moving their pieces — Muqtada al-Sadr and those explosive devices, and Hamas and Hezbollah around to protect their queen, which is their most lethal piece — their nuclear weapons program.
And I suppose the administration is focused on that. But the way it’s chosen to work on is to, for years, turn it over to the Europeans, who have been stalled by the Iranians and the Iranians continue to work on getting enriched uranium.
I’m afraid within, well, at worst, a few months; at best, a few years; they could have a bomb.
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Run and hide, neoturd chickenhawks, he's calling YOUR bluff...
August 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amPakistan surprised us with their nuke, why not Iran?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:39 amLook deeper. His comments indicate that the US will attack Iran in the next few months. You'd better start digging that bomb shelter, now.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amNukes for all!!!!
Why you ask, stupid little neoturds? Because nobody has ever attacked a nation which posses nukes (i.e. THE U.S.A.)
Get a clue, brainless, back-woods retards.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amUM...i COULD HAVE A BOMB! Really! I could. I'm sure woolsey will warn everyone of the potential disaster that woudl occur if americans had access to vast quantities of firearms, rockets and ammo. Er...wait.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amBetter safe than sorry. We can't wait for the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 ama smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud, right?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amJust look at the list of the Federalists who supported Scooter Libby's defense and discount their reckless asses immediately.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:41 amPakistan surprised us with their nuke, why not Iran?
Comment by Ringo
GEEEEEE, I wonder why we never went lookin for Binforgotton there??????????
August 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amIn May, Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the UN’s the International Atomic Energy Agency, said “even if Iran wanted to go for a nuclear weapon, it would not be before the end of this decade or sometime in the middle of the next decade,†an estimate that echoed the view of the CIA.
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Personally, I believe that Mohamed ElBaradei would like to see Iran get a nuke and is actively doing everthing he can to make it happen.
I don't trust the man one bit.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:42 amYeah Jake...lets attack anyone that COULD pose a threat in the future:
Russia
China
Japan
Germany (everyone knows they cant be trusted three tiems in a row)
Indonesia
Austrailia (theyre really mean to the aboriginies too so lets bomb them)
Dumb jake...really dumb.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amGEEEEEE, I wonder why we never went lookin for Binforgotton there??????????
Comment by Not Canadian
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Because they have nukes you simple-minded boob.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:43 amNeoturds find it difficult to post quickly while sucking their thumbs...
August 15th, 2007 at 11:44 amPakistan surprised no one. It was an open secret that Pakistan and India were working on, developed the capacity to build, and had probably built weapons long before either actually tested them.
When pundits and partisan dead-enders cry wolf, contradicting real intelligence services, the good rule of thumb is to believe the intelligence service.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:44 amIran has no intention of creating a nuclear weapon.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:44 amWhich is what he was alluding too.
You see Ringo - Iran doesnt have them and woudl use them if they did. But the PRETENSE of their use is what washington used in the run up to the iraq war (no it wasnt abt freedom, terrorism or democracy back then).
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amYou are dumb for equating Japan with Iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amI want my taxes back on the billions that we spent on all our friggen nukes if they're not going to protect us any way..
Never ending war, fought by idiots wearing a flag, carrying a bible and a gun.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amwe have nukes and were attacked.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe beltway continues to ratchet up the noise on Iran. And now...the WH is debating whether to designate designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization. I see an airstrike on the horizon.
Our armed forces are "out of balance". We cannot respond to an event requiring major logistics and troop strength. This is scary.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amIt is a PC war. We have to pacify everyone instead of just getting the job done.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 amIt seems to have become conventional wisdom that "THE WORLD WILL END IF IRAN GETS THE BOMB!!"
That's total BS. We sat eyeball to eyeball aginst the Soviets for 40 years in a mutual nuclear staredown called the Cold War. Not a single nuke was fired on account of a little principle called Mutual Assured Destruction. In this case we don't even have the word Mutual on the table. The Iranians are not crazy enough to fire a first nuke at anyone knowing that the entire country would be turned to glass in 15 minutes.
None of this means that I want Iran to have a nuke but I call BS on the nonsense that we have to act preemptively in order to stop it. It's total BS and Woolsey (who has been so right about everything else) and all the other saber-rattling neocons can just STFU.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amBecause they have nukes you simple-minded boob.
Comment by Ringo
But you're stupid enough to believe that they're an ally, so you trust them?
Please, share more of this awesome logic you possess.......
August 15th, 2007 at 11:46 amIran has no intention of creating a nuclear weapon.
Comment by toasterhead
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You know this how?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:46 am#
we have nukes and were attacked.
Comment by lostcosts
When were we attacke BY a nuclear device?
Gee, dense aren't we?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amjake Japan is just as capable of attacking us effectively. Hence the comparison...its an idiotic thing to think iran is a threat to us.
Do you get it NOW?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amCapt. Morgan:
Hillary and Obama are the only candidates who have taken our nukes off the table . . .
August 15th, 2007 at 11:47 amIs that not why we are in Iraq? Intelligence service reports from the British, Russians, and our own.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amAre REPUBLICANS LYING TO US AGAIN?
or, is BUSH SO INCOMPETENT HE ALLOWED IRAN TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS UNDER HIS WATCH?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amFor all their hysterical talk of enemy threats, chickenhawks like Ringo only advocate the mass-murder that is war because deep down, they know the oceans still protect us from anything but the rare fluke. If they seriously thought they might come home to a bombed out house with their spouse and children lying with missing limbs on the ground in pools of their own guts, because they had helped pick a fight with a country able to fight back on our terms, they'd be much more circumspect about their infantile cheerleading for that horror.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:48 amyeah...where are all those nukes iraq was going to gang bust us with? Gee...that turned out to be absolutely true too didnt it jake?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amDo you get it NOW?
Comment by bobh
NEVER. Neoturd/Chickenhawks have the mental capacity of most 1st graders, otherwise they'd back up their BIG TALK by sacrificing their scared-sh*tless little panty-waiste a$$es.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:49 amWasnt Woolsey appointed by Clinton?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amwe have nukes and were attacked.
Comment by lostcosts — August 15, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Really?? Name the last COUNTRY/GOVERNMENT to attack America with a nuke. Hell even with a conventional weapon.
A few lone terrorists count for nothing.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:50 amIs that not why we are in Iraq? Intelligence service reports from the British, Russians, and our own.
Comment by lostcosts
You seriously need to get up to date talking points from your GOP contact...
IRAQ, NOT INVOLVED IN 9-11.
Sorry to tell you that, but it's widely known as THE TRUTH.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:51 amYou know this how?
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Same way that you "know" Iran intends to build a bomb.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amhttp://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2679
21 Rationales for War
Want a reason for war with Iraq? Here are 21. A study by Devon Largio, a recent graduate of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, reveals that between September 2001 and October 2002 10 key players in the debate over Iraq presented at least 21 rationales for going to war. Largio examines the public statements of President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, Sens. Joseph Lieberman and John McCain, Richard Perle (then chairman of the Defense Policy Review Board), Secretary of State Colin Powell, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.
The table below illustrates who deployed each rationale.
Check the link for the table.
It was bullshit then and now.
Iran having a nuke anytime this decade is bullshit as well.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amIf we don't take out Iran's nuclear facilities then Israel will have no choice but to do it.
That's the reality....It's only a matter of time.
Good morning moonbats.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amRUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
I thought they were all just chicken hawks, turns out, they are also a bunch of chicken littles.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:52 amWoolsey scares me more than Cheney, he just has a much lower profile. He knows where all the bodies are buried.
These fascists cannot be allowed to start dropping bombs on Iran, it will start WWIII as China and Russia may step up in their defense so as not to allow the U.S. to take control of the vast majority of the Middle East's natural resources, resources on which the Great Powers to the East rely heavily.
Where are the patriotic Intelligence officials to rip away the neocons fabricated arguments against Iran? Where is the courage amongst our media to to some homework and debunk these warmongering fools?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amIt is a PC war. We have to pacify everyone instead of just getting the job done.
Comment by lostcosts
Starting the Iraq war over lies and leaving Afghanistan to NATO, and letting Osama Bin Forgotten, Al Qaeda and the Taliban go is not the way to get things done.
You claimed you served in the Thinkfast thread, but you ignored my question.
Your MOS?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:53 amStill waiting......
If we don’t take out Iran’s nuclear facilities then Israel will have no choice but to do it.
Comment by bingo
And what f*ckin' problem does a little Neoturd chickenhawk have with that? Let them take care of their own f*cked up situation.
You wingnuts SERIOUSLY need to get your own house in order before worrying about others.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:54 amso what - at least their willing to talk
August 15th, 2007 at 11:54 amDon't tell them, lostcosts, because they will just claim you are lying about that too.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amIf America gets Oil contracts in Iraq . there will be no war with Iran
looks like Iraqi oil is slipping though the neocons hands
August 15th, 2007 at 11:55 amWe should be preparing our invasion of Israel, as they already have lots of nukes.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amRemember lostcosts, you can only opine on these military-related threads if you are a vet or active duty. Its a TP bylaw.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amAs long as you're advocating more war, you will always be taken seriously in this country, no matter how full of shite you are.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amIf America gets Oil contracts in Iraq . there will be no war with Iran
looks like Iraqi oil is slipping though the neocons hands
August 15th, 2007 at 11:56 amI heard "lostcosts" served as a (willing) volunteer campaign worker for Mark Foley.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amDon’t tell them, lostcosts, because they will just claim you are lying about that too.
Comment by Jake D.
Suuuuure,
We're just waitin' with baited breath for more pathetic whining from the neoturds...
**yawn**
August 15th, 2007 at 11:57 amSo we have anything from a few months to a few years before they get a bomb? Boy, that certainly shows how accurate our intelligence (or lack of it)is! If my car mechanic gave me an repair estimate like that (oh,anywhere from $50 to $5,000) and the car is n front of him, I'd sure get another estimate from someone else. Yet we continue to get this BS from people, with no evidence shown anywhere. Sound familiar?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amDon’t tell them, lostcosts, because they will just claim you are lying about that too.
Yup, they invent their own service history and then claim the real vets are lying.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amWe should be preparing our invasion of Israel, as they already have lots of nukes.
Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 11:56 am
And they did attack an american ship once.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:58 amWonderful timing Jake. Give advice right after you refuse to backup your own pathetic arguments.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:59 amNot Canadian:
I posted my MOS and still got hell about it.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:59 amRemember lostcosts, you can only opine on these military-related threads if you are a vet or active duty. Its a TP bylaw.
Comment by Chaff-Foil Strips To Confuse Radar — August 15, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Ah, Mr Pee urinates again. Remember, Mr Pee, how you spoke up when one of your fellow losertrolls was demanding Wayne fax him his discharge papers? How you told the troll he was out of line? Oh, wait. You didn't.
Moron and hypocrite and chickenhawk all rolled into one smelly, sweaty little wad.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:59 amRemember lostcosts, you can only opine on these military-related threads if you are a vet or active duty. Its a TP bylaw.
Comment by Chaff-Foil Strap-ons To Confuse Daryll — August 15, 2007 @ 11:56 am
...so sayeth the poster with multi posting names
August 15th, 2007 at 11:59 am"...as they already have lots of nukes."
Comment by RUCerious
And yet they have never openly admitted to having them, or how they got them (we know it wasn't thru their own industriousness)
August 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSounds like they fit the description of a terrorist organization to me.......
We should be preparing our invasion of Israel, as they already have lots of nukes.
Comment by RUCerious
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Your ability to reason verges on retardation.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmIf anyone NOT on the "Ignore List" has any questions, let me know.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmBut we can't wait for the proof to come in the form of a talking point.
-GSD
August 15th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI posted my MOS and still got hell about it.
Comment by Jake D.
Next time, keep your private life a little more, well, PRIVATE, genius.
Nobody forced you to brag about your service, so once again, quit blaming others for your feeble mis-steps...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pmAnd we should listen to Mr. Woosley why? We shouldn't ignore him but this is just boo scary talk.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:02 pmGeorgia and the War of 1812
England Attacks
In May, 1814, Vice Admiral Alexander Cochrane and the English Fleet sailed up the St. Mary's River (on the border of Georgia and Florida). People fled the area, some damage was done, but the river was lightly populated and Cochrane moved on.
Alexander Cochrane may not be a household name in the United States or the state of Georgia, but he should be. After leaving Georgia he sailed north to the Patapsco River near Baltimore, Maryland, where the fleet and the British army planned a combined assault. When the land attack failed to materialize, it fell upon Cochrane to launch a nighttime naval assault against Fort McHenry in September, 1814, in hopes of breaching the hastily constructed defenses. It is this assault, and the American success at withstanding it, that Francis Scott Key was watching when he wrote the words to the Star Spangled Banner.
My god the temerity of those brits!
ATTACK BRITAIN NOW. At least we know where their leaders ARe.
They have the capability to do us great harm if they choose todoso and even know how tomakenukes!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:02 pmErgo, my advice to lostcosts to NOT TELL THEM. Idiot.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIf Iran wants nukes, why don't they just do like everyone else. Go to a rapidly decaying former member of the Soviet Union and buy some.
That's what happens when you neglect nuclear proliferation treaties... which is another legacy of the Bush Administration.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:03 pmwhat is truly disturbing is that this person could have been in the position that they are. It does appear that there is no one left that is qualified to do any job that this country requires.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:04 pmso farewell to all, what we had is gone, and no one that works for us wants it back
Your straps are chaffing my foil, Mr.p
August 15th, 2007 at 12:04 pmI heard “lostcosts†served as a (willing) volunteer campaign worker for Mark Foley.
I heard you were an esco...er...'companion' for Bernie Sanders side business.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:04 pm"We should be preparing our invasion of Israel, as they already have lots of nukes."
Comment by RUCerious
And... they've also refused to comply with "Un resolutions," the new wingnut gold standard.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThe talking points havent caught up with jake and company. Their crumbling verbage and idiocy speaks volumes.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmworth a repeat:
Are REPUBLICANS LYING TO US AGAIN?
or,
is BUSH SO INCOMPETENT HE ALLOWED IRAN TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS UNDER HIS WATCH?
Comment by Republicans Can't Govern. — August 15, 2007 @ 11:48 am
August 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmSo, cowpoke Gringo, why do you support Israel having nukes?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:05 pmRemember lostcosts, you can only opine on these military-related threads if you are a vet or active duty. Its a TP bylaw.
Comment by Chaff-Foil Strips To Confuse Radar
Not true, but if you claim to have served, you should damn well know your MOS or equivilent. It is right on the DD214.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIsraelis cant be trusted with nukes....their liberal supporters in the u.s. are on the terrorist watch lists.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThat's right. I'm the idiot -- which law school did YOU guys graduate from?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI posted my MOS and still got hell about it.
Comment by Jake D.
That's not true. He posted unproveable crap.
Just like always...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThat’s what happens when you neglect nuclear proliferation treaties… which is another legacy of the Bush Administration.
No, thats what happens when you send your SOS to clink champagne glasses with LiL Kim and sign useless agreements with no teeth.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:07 pmToo bad. Go make yourself a sandwich and cry over it.
Comment by CT_Version
Does your mommy charge you $20 for the blowjobs, or are those on the house while you're still in the basement?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:08 pmJake graduating from a law school actually qualifies you as an idiot.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI will agree that it's tough to "prove" certain things on the Internets. For instance, if anyone here can "prove" their voter registration, I will do the same on being registered Independent.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmThat’s right. I’m the idiot — which law school did YOU guys graduate from?
Comment by Jake D.
Spoken like a true Pepperdine alum...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pmHe discloses his service because lefties (including you) think they maintain the authority to advise someone to enlist.
Yeppers. The leftonian buttlords are typical sunshine patriots; they enjoy the largesse of freedom our troops provide while simaltaneously maligning them as murderers and rapists.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmSo, cowpoke Gringo, why do you support Israel having nukes?
Comment by RUCerious
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I have six million reasons.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:10 pmlet's just get this straight, the USA builds up an enormous force in the middle east, including a neighboring country.
did the USA actually expect iran to just sit there, idly, and not build up a nuclear arsenal, or otherwise deadly military force?
it's called provocation, and the USA is as guilty as they come.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmjust imagine, if you will, if iran had occupied canada. what would we do?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmTry Stanford Law, barfly.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmDoes your mommy charge you $20 for the blowjobs, or are those on the house while you’re still in the basement?
Shut up Not Straight, I didnt give you permission to post. Please refrain from doing so until I allow it.
Now get back under the sink!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmthey enjoy the largesse of freedom our troops provide while simaltaneously "figntin' the terrrrists from the comfort of mommy's basement".
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
There, I fixed your neoturd response.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmSomeone tells me there are pretty, pretty birds around here?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI'm on vacation with a brand new double barrel Unka Dick gave me, I'm pissed, and I want to shoot something!
And it still didn't prevent you frm acting like an ass all this time Jake.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmunforch, that shit works on members of congress.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pm"I posted my MOS and still got hell about it.
Comment by Jake D.
That’s not true. He posted unproveable crap.
Just like always…
Comment by barfly — August 15, 2007 @ 12:06 pm"
Actually, that is not true either.....
He posted some information from ANOTHER PERSON and got busted on it.....
He has STILL YET TO PROVE his military history....
He has posted several things from OTHER people, war hero's, but none has been his own.
So Jake, what is your MOS today?????
August 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmMr. P,
I've more than once had your screenname banned.
Shall we go for another?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmHey, didn't we hear this exact same thing just prior to our invasion of Iraq? It appears that our government is taking the shampoo bottle approach to world domination: Lie, invade, repeat.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmit’s called provocation, and the USA is as guilty as they come.
Comment by darla — August 15, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
And it's not like we don't have a history of meddling in Iran. Kermit Roosevelt, anyone?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmSpoken like a true Pepperdine alum…
Comment by barfly — August 15, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
More like Pepperidge Farm.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:15 pmtoasterhead:
Did you take a look at that speech reported by CNN?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmMy original post:
Yeppers. The leftonian buttlords are typical sunshine patriots; they enjoy the largesse of freedom our troops provide while simaltaneously maligning them as murderers and rapists.
Now the new post after being fixed by Not Straight:
Yeppers. The leftonian buttlords are typical sunshine patriots; they enjoy the largesse of freedom our troops provide while simaltaneously “figntin’ the terrrrists from the comfort of mommy’s basementâ€.
Thankyou for the clarification, Not Straight, this clears things up for us!
Cheers :-)
August 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmSo Jake, what is your MOS today?????
Comment by RemoveBush
Today, he's portraying himself as Mr. Law Degree.
**yawn**
Who gives a f*ck when everything he posts is such brain-dead garbage, rehashed GOP talking points and strawmen arguements.
**yawn**
August 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmthey enjoy the largesse of freedom our troops provide while simaltaneously “figntin’ the terrrrists from the comfort of mommy’s basementâ€.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
By "Our" do you mean the republican troops? Or all the democrats too? Do they count? or does jake s comments on TPM muckraker about democratic troops dying for him making him feel good count?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmrepeat:
Mr. P,
I’ve more than once had your screenname banned.
Shall we go for another?
You'd better play nice...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWell jake? Do their deaths make you feel good now?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#101 from bird:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You think NC knew this was coming about one second after he posted?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pmtoasterhead:
Did you take a look at that speech reported by CNN?
Comment by Jake D. — August 15, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
I did. Did you take a look at my reply?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSo our mommies give good BJ's? Jealous??
August 15th, 2007 at 12:19 pmTest
August 15th, 2007 at 12:21 pmBy “Our†do you mean the republican troops? Or all the democrats too?
I mean ALL troops, no matter their political leanings, as long as their service is/was honorable.
You will no doubt attach some evil meaning to everything I say, but perhaps you could restrain yourself just this once. Im not responsible for what others say, if I was, I would have beaten the white off of you long ago.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmNot Canadian:
Feel free to verify my graduation and law practice under "James M. Dort": http://www.law.stanford.edu/alumni/reunions/2006/1961/
August 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI posted my MOS and still got hell about it.
Comment by Jake D.
Correction, you got caught cutting and pasting something a real Korean veteran posted on a Korean veteran blog site, claiming it as your own. Plagerism.
I never saw your MOS posted by you, ever.
For example:
MOS: 18b Weapons Sergeant
August 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmassigned 31b desk job in may 1991 while recovering from 2nd surgery till release Sept 1991
Stationed: Fort Bragg
served from 1982-1991, 9 years
With what Army is Woolsey going to fight the Iranians? It's foolish to think that we can carry out a few airstrikes on select targets in Iran and expect them to ignore us. You think we've got a problem fighting ~30,000 insurgents now? Just wait...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmNo, sorry, toasterhead. I must have missed it but will try to look it up.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThey appear to be really ramping up the Iran rhetoric and drum beat. This is the second report on Iran his morning. Interesting to see this escalation of tough talk on and accusation of Iran happening during the August break. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to tie Iran to the attacks yesterday as well.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDon't be surprised to see the US going after Iran before Spetember, especially before this report comes out from Petraeus (or I guess written by the White House but read by Petraeus.. What a surprise..), This is all just so scripted and choreographed. I frankly don't believe or trust anything they say any more.
Anyone else NOT on the "Ignore List" want to discuss my military service or law practice?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmTry Stanford Law, barfly.
Comment by Jake D.
And here we see that Jake keeps his intellectual integrity in a shotglass.
I'm a charter member of "the list" that Jake always talks about, and this example shows that it's all baloney. A lawyer with this low level of commitment to an intellectual enterprise he himself originated doesn't bode well for any clients that might come his way, looking for a full-on lawyer.
Yeah, I'm real impressed.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmYa see, even Wayne can cut/paste someone else's service records too. His skills are improving.
This is how it works wayne; you vilify us for supposedly lying about our service, we vilify you right back.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pmFor the record, I'm retired -- anyone else?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pmNo, sorry, toasterhead. I must have missed it but will try to look it up.
Comment by Jake D. — August 15, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
My original reply has disappeared. The phrase used by Ahmedinejad was not "wipe Israel off the map." That idiom does not exist in Farsi. He did talk about erasing the regime occupying Jerusalem from the pages of history, but did so in a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini (who had documented relations with Israel). What they refer to is not annihilating the state of Israel, but ending the occupation of land seized illegally in 1967.
Cole has more detail on his blog:
August 15th, 2007 at 12:26 pmhttp://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html
Not retired per se, just did a five year stint and moved on.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThe same people who lied to get us to occupy Iraq are doing lying again to get us to attack Iran. Attack Iran WITHOUT PROVOCATION, without a cause.
Someone should ask these traitors what is the justification of an USA attack on Iran?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pmPerhaps you like it when athiests die jake? Ho wabotu patt tillman? Did you get off when he was killed?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:28 pmNot true, but if you claim to have served, you should damn well know your MOS or equivilent. It is right on the DD214.
Comment by Wayne — August 15, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Not that I am arguing in favor of a troll, but I do believe in fair play. If lostcosts served in a branch other than the Army, he may be unfamiliar with the acronym MOS (Military Occupational Specialty).
I served in the Navy, and we just called them "rates". I was a PH2.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmJeebus, bobh, nothing personal but reading your posts is like trying to read Klingon.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThanks, toasterhead -- I already conceded you were right about "wipe Israel OFF of the map" -- CNN reported the translation as "wipe Israel OUT of the map: : )
August 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pmMr. pee, lostballs, Ringo-pissing INTO the wind.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pmka pla!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pm"For the record, I’m retired — anyone else?"
Comment by Jake D. —
And an intellectual coward...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pm"Not that I am arguing in favor of a troll, but I do believe in fair play. If lostcosts served in a branch other than the Army, he may be unfamiliar with the acronym MOS (Military Occupational Specialty).
I served in the Navy, and we just called them “ratesâ€. I was a PH2.
Comment by missmolly — August 15, 2007 @ 12:29 pm"
Regardles.......
EVERY military person receives a DD214...... This is enough for them to understand what is meant by MOS, if not then they should ask and say that their branch of service did not use that ackronym (SP?)
August 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThanks, toasterhead — I already conceded you were right about “wipe Israel OFF of the map†— CNN reported the translation as “wipe Israel OUT of the map: : )
Comment by Jake D. — August 15, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Point is - he was calling for regime change, not genocide. The error started with an Iranian news agency that mistranslated the speech. American media printed the mistranslated quote but not the retraction.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmMolly was a pharmamate? Huh, I was just a poor deckape; Bos'n Mate Second, USS Flint(AE-32) and USS Vincennes(CG-49).
Ill bet your service was more comfortable than mine.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThis is how it works wayne; you vilify us for supposedly lying about our service, we vilify you right back.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
No, anyone who served had an occupation code assigned, everyone.
it is on the DD214 if you don't remember.
Since you claimed I cut and pasted, show the source I cut from.....
August 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pmMore like Pepperidge Farm.
Comment by Zooey
Mmmmm, yummy. LOL
August 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pmMr. pee, lostballs, Ringo-pissing INTO the wind.
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 15, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Hey, Uncle Ho. How's it going?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pmtoasterhead:
I think "erasing the regime occupying Jerusalem from the pages of history" gets the point across just fine too ; )
August 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pmI wish I could stay and play some more, but I have to go golfing. Have fun, guys.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:34 pmSo, cowpoke Gringo, why do you support Israel having nukes?
Comment by RUCerious
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I have six million reasons.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
So, the Holocaust is the reason Israel should have nukes.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmHow does having nukes prevent another holocaust?
Or is it just the guilt of having allowed it that entitles Israel to be the world's only democracy that employs dictatorial powers over it's conquered territory.
Wait, I forgot about Indian reservations...
I wish I could stay and play some more, but I have to go golfing. Have fun, guys.
Comment by Jake D. — August 15, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Adult Day Care = Golfing
August 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI wish I could stay and play some more, but I have to go golfing. Have fun, guys.
Comment by Jake D. — August 15, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I wish I had to go golfing! Play well.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmNo, anyone who served had an occupation code assigned, everyone.
it is on the DD214 if you don’t remember.
Actually I dont remember what exactly my 214 listed as "occupation code", its been years since I dusted that thing off.
Would the 214 from Korea-era have such a code and was there even a 214 from that era? Feel free to enlighten me because honestly I dont know about such military minutiae.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pmBernie Sanders' side operation?
Iran is a big potential danger. That much is clear. Therefore we should treat them the way we treated North Korea.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pmWasn't Woolsey a member of PNAC? And wasn't he a signatory to a number of letters including the one written to President Clinton on January 26, 1998 urging Clinton to take out Saddam?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pmhttp://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Or this letter to Congress on January 28, 2005 urging Congress to increase U.S. ground forces:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20050128.htm
PNAC'ers have made their agenda pretty clear (empire building). Just read their report (this is a summary):
Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century (2000)
Jake, don't forget to pack extra Depends.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThe greens keeper's been complaining about yellow spots on the greens after you play through.
Since you claimed I cut and pasted, show the source I cut from…..
For the record, you could assemble such data from hundreds of sources and piece it together. The point is that automatically claiming someone is lying about their service could easily be used against you too.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pmjames woolsey is pre-eminent among the neocons in his war profiteering.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:39 pmI think “erasing the regime occupying Jerusalem from the pages of history†gets the point across just fine too ; )
Comment by Jake D.
Careful, when Jake winks at you, he's reliving his days as an undercover military intelligence double-nought agent, cruising the miltary bars dressed as a rough-trade hooker. If he says "hello sailor," to you run away, as fast as you can...
August 15th, 2007 at 12:39 pmWait, I forgot about Indian reservations…
Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Uh oh......
August 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pmSo, the Holocaust is the reason Israel should have nukes.
How does having nukes prevent another holocaust?
Comment by RUCerious
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Are you serious?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmand cnn is desperate for video of those tactical nukes -- nothing drives their ratings like those big explosions.
look back a couple of years ago, just as iran was being singled out for responsibility for all the evils in the world. check the language blitzer and dobbs, in particular, were using. they were first in throwing out the idea of using tactical nukes against iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmHiya Zooey! Doing great. gearing up for more trips to DC next month. protest @ the White House.
missmolly; MOS(military occupation specialty)-Army. Navy called it NEC(naval enlisted classification).
August 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmMistress Z~
August 15th, 2007 at 12:42 pmYeah, I'm on a grumpage (kinda like a grumpy rampage) today!
Comment by RUCerious
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Are you serious?
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Yes, answer my question, as to how having nukes relates to your six million reasons.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmMmmmm, yummy. LOL
Comment by ∞Ω — August 15, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I'm thinking coconut cake. :P
August 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmIran is YEARS away from having a working nuke. They haven't even begun testing them yet!!!
But even if they DID get one, SO WHAT?????
North Korea is a much bigger enemy than Iran. After all, we've fought a war with them that technically isn't even over! And THEY got the Bomb on BUSH'S WATCH, and Bush did NOTHING.
And what happened? NOTHING.
Because having a nuke, and DELIVERING a nuke, are two completely different things, as Kim Jong Ill found out as he watched his missles drop into the sea of Japan.
Iran having a nuke doesn't present ANY threat to the US, and ANYONE saying it does, is simply a snibbling coward.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWhile Iraqi & American congresses take recess couldn't all the trolls do the same?
Please?
If you had anything to actually say it might be different, but man, the same old tired sh!it day after day after day is sooooo boring.
Could it be that Karl getting fired is getting their dandruff up?
Could it be that Karl getting fired means no more daily talking points?
That must be it. I mean, Petty Petty Turd & LostCause are primo examples of developmentally delayed at birth.
Back in the basement, dipshits, KKKarl has been fired and you're out of bullets!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pmI served in the Navy, and we just called them “ratesâ€. I was a PH2.
Comment by missmolly
yeah Navy changed mos to Nec after 'Nam.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pmAnother step towards confrontation?
Iranian Unit to Be Labeled 'Terrorist,'
August 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pmU.S. Moving Against Revolutionary Guard:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401662_pf.html
"Would the 214 from Korea-era have such a code and was there even a 214 from that era? Feel free to enlighten me because honestly I dont know about such military minutiae.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 15, 2007 @ 12:36 pm"
YES!
http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/dd-214.html
"The report of separation form issued in most recent years is the DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty. Before January 1, 1950, several similar forms were used by the military services, including the WD AGO 53, WD AGO 55, WD AGO 53-55, NAVPERS 553, NAVMC 78PD, and the NAVCG 553."
Korean war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
"The Korean War began as a civil war fought between 1950–1953 on the Korean Peninsula, which had been divided by the post-World War II Soviet and American occupation zones. The civil war began on June 25, 1950"
August 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pmOk, I took the time to drag out my 214. There is a box #11 which is called "Primary Specialty Number, Title and Years And Months in Specialty".
Mine is "Boatswains Mate, DG-9760, Electrical/Mechanical Equipment Repairman."
Did the separation document from Korea-era look like this form and did it have such pertinent info? My WWII vet father doesnt remember getting such a paper.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:45 pmComment by Uncle Ho — August 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
I wish I could be there -- yell real loud and carry a rude sign. :-)
I better git. Gotta return my dad's truck and pick up my dog. Maybe I'll see y'all later. Give the trolls hell!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:45 pmMmmmm, yummy. LOL
Comment by ∞Ω — August 15, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I’m thinking coconut cake. :P
Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Now stop that!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:45 pmI'm on a low cal diet, tummy rumbling, grumbling, and you're fantasizing about coconut cake!>?
Now stop that!
I’m on a low cal diet, tummy rumbling, grumbling, and you’re fantasizing about coconut cake!>?
Comment by RUCerious — August 15, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Sorry!!
Actually, I can't stand coconut cake. :-)
August 15th, 2007 at 12:46 pmActually, I can’t stand coconut cake. :-)
Comment by Zooey — August 15, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
Neither can I, but my wife LOVES coconut cream pie!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmDamn it, there it goes again, shut up, tummy!
Wayne; it was NEC during 'Nam.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAny other 71H40's out there??
August 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by Uncle Ho — August 15, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
And it was AFSC (AF Specialty Code) for the Air Force during Nam. Still weird what we can recall from those dark days.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:52 pmMaybe the Iranians will bomb Crawford Texas.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“Iran is still probably five to 10 years away from gaining the ability to make nuclear fuel or nuclear bombs,†according to Joseph Cirincione, the director for nuclear policy at the Center for American Progress."
Center for American Progress.
fear-mongering vs. partisan appeasement. It's not black and white.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmRingo, regrettably this assertion is a lie. Pakistan did not surprise the US with its nuke. We knew for years that they were pursuing nuclear weapons. It was one of the reasons that their access to the ultra-high-speed synchronizing switches necessary for an implosion design was embargoed for a long time. They managed to break that embargo.
If you meant that their testing their nuclear weapons surprised us, then you should have been more explicit. Of course, that comment would have defanged the intent of your statement, so I can understand why you didn't make that clear. The US knew that Pakistan was pursuing nuclear weapons. We just didn't know when they might test them.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI think this is the reason this administration has been the biggest threat to our national security. They have manufactured, manipulated, and misrepresented so much trying to sell this 'war on terror' to the American public instead of just being straight and honest about their true motives. Sort of like the boy who cried wolf. They have lied and manuevered so much that when there really IS something happening that Americans need to be warned about, nobody is going to believe them.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pm“Pakistan surprised us with their nuke, why not Iran?â€
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Pakistan has around 70 nuclear armed short range missles, but like North Korea they have absolutely ZERO capability to hit the US with one.
ZERO capability.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:04 pmIt won't be in our lifetimes that Iran gets long range nuclear capability, UNLESS, we keep threatening the entire region, and Russia and China get fed up enough with our threats, and decides to install some in Iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:09 pmPakistan has around 70 nuclear armed short range missles, but like North Korea they have absolutely ZERO capability to hit the US with one.
ZERO capability.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
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Yes, but an Iranian nuke could reach Europe or Israel, which is all they need to blackmail the cowardly Europeans into standing aside while they (Iran) uses it's proxy armies to attack Israel.
But then it seems that much of the Left shares Iran's goal of destroying the state of Israel so it comes as no surprise that you show less concern about Iran have nukes than most Leftists do about Israel or the US having them.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:12 pmRemember back when the White House tried to scare us, saying that Kim Jong Il's Tai Po Dong II missiles with roughly a 3000 mile range could hit Southern California?
Well, like most republicans, the Bush White House needs to stay away from all things mathematical.
Because when you launch a missle, you don't gauge land mileage. You calculate AIR miles. And Air Miles from Seoul to LA is about 6000, meaning the chance of North Korea hitting anything besides a school of fish somewhere in the Pacific are NON EXISTENT.
People are stupid, and will believe anything. But the informations all there if you just look it up.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmYes, but an Iranian nuke could reach Europe or Israel, which is all they need to blackmail the cowardly Europeans into standing aside while they (Iran) uses it’s proxy armies to attack Israel.
But then it seems that much of the Left shares Iran’s goal of destroying the state of Israel so it comes as no surprise that you show less concern about Iran have nukes than most Leftists do about Israel or the US having them.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Looks like someone screwed the tin foil hat on to tightly.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWhy Israel can have nukes but Iran cant?
So far Israel has invaded more countries than Iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:16 pmDuh, Israel has nukes, Dingo, so your paranoid fantasy is best left to your wet dreams.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pmSeoul to LA is about 6000, meaning the chance of North Korea hitting anything besides a school of fish somewhere in the Pacific are NON EXISTENT.
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North Korea has missiles capable of reaching Alaska and Hawaii.
Still, North Korea poses far less of a threat than does Iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:19 pmYes, but an Iranian nuke could reach Europe or Israel, which is all they need to blackmail the cowardly Europeans into standing aside while they (Iran) uses it’s proxy armies to attack Israel.
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Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
No they couldn't you moran. You need to invest in a globe.
Pakistans Hatf II missles fly about 150 miles before plunging into the ground. Only recently, with Chinese help have they devloped any longer range missle capability, with their new Ghari and Shaheen II missles, and the farthest they can fly is about 900 miles and they haven't even been adequately tested yet.
In other words, on their own, Iran couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in Turkey with one of the missles they don't even have yet.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:19 pm"Why Israel can have nukes but Iran cant?
So far Israel has invaded more countries than Iran.
Comment by Juan C — August 15, 2007 @ 1:16 pm"
My question is WHY can't/won't Isreal sign the NPT????
Could it be so that when they use their NUKES, that we gave them, they won't have any LEGAL reprocussions???
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/
"The NPT is the most widely accepted arms control agreement. As of early 2000 a total of 187 states were Parties to the NPT. Cuba, Israel, India, and Pakistan were the only states that were not members of the NPT."
August 15th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHas anyone seen this?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThom Hartmann interviewed Max Blumenthal on this yesterday. It was pretty weird..
He's probably kinda right (probably not months, they still would have to test their stuff, develop a system of deployment which is probably years away if they are thinking of ICBM capacity, and centrifugal refinement requires massive amounts of energy to yield small amounts of fissionable materials), but with the Iraq fiasco not much anyone can do about it either diplomatically or militarily-especially militarily.
Invading Iran would make the Iraq fiasco look like a "cake walk."
Think of the collapse of Pakistan which would probably result of a Iranian invasion/attack. China would be really pissed (oil). No Brittan this time either.
They got nukes (and AQ Kahn under "house arrest").
The Bushies and neo con jobbers really F##cked up.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:23 pmJaun C,
Israel has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pmYes, but an Iranian nuke could reach Europe or Israel, which is all they need to blackmail the cowardly Europeans into standing aside while they (Iran) uses it’s proxy armies to attack Israel.
But then it seems that much of the Left shares Iran’s goal of destroying the state of Israel so it comes as no surprise that you show less concern about Iran have nukes than most Leftists do about Israel or the US having them.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
And what rationale would Iran have for striking one of the holiest sites in Islam with a nuclear weapon? Particularly when they know Israel could easily launch a retaliatory strike?
Iran has no goal of destroying Israel. They are pushing for a one-state solution with right of return for all Palestinian refugees, something I also support.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pmYou're an idiot Ringo.
You can't even calculate air miles.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pm"Israel has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:25 pm"
BS!!!!!
I'm tired of people using $hit like this as an EXCUSE!!!!
It's like the blacks still crying about how the whites enslaved them.....
OK, it happened that does not mean that EVERYONE is still out to get you......
FOR GODS SAKE, GROW UP!!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIsrael has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
Comment by Ringo
FINALLY, you agree to let them defend themselves, so why do you want the US involved exactly? So you can squak your Chickenhawk rubbish some more and pretend to be a patriot because you want other people to die for you?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:31 pmDear Idiots, google "what democrats said abouit WMD's"
August 15th, 2007 at 1:31 pmgoogle didn't recognize your word, "abouit" (who's the idiot?)
Is that the Canadian prononciation?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pm"the use of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will only damage the world of Islam."
Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
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toasterhead,
"Iran has no goal of destroying Israel. They are pushing for a one-state solution with right of return for all Palestinian refugees, something I also support."
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One state with right of return is equal to the destruction of Israel.
It will never, ever happen.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmIsrael has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
If Iran wanted to see every Jew on Earth dead, don't you think they'd start with the 25,000 who live in Iran?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmIsrael has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
Comment by Ringo
And? Your admin has been threatening to bomb Iran. Why Iran shouldnt have nukes to defend themselves just like Israel?
Maybe becuz... you fear Persians?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pm“Israel has nuclear weapons to protect themselves from the millions who would love to see every Jew on earth dead.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:25 pmâ€
So you are in favor of the US, alone, going after every country in the Mid-East and all other heavily Muslim countries (like the Phlilipines and several African countries) because they don't like Jews?
WOW!! We do have some weird world police logic going on here!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmIf Iran wanted to see every Jew on Earth dead, don’t you think they’d start with the 25,000 who live in Iran?
Comment by toasterhead
Dingo ain't got no smarts.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmIf Iran wanted to see every Jew on Earth dead, don’t you think they’d start with the 25,000 who live in Iran?
Comment by toasterhead
BOOM!!! Best argument against stupidity.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:37 pmAnd? Your admin has been threatening to bomb Iran. Why Iran shouldnt have nukes to defend themselves just like Israel?
Maybe becuz… you fear Persians?
Comment by Juan C
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Little C,
Moral equivocation and Jew-hatred has fully cook your very last brain cell.
Your mind is mush.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmOne state with right of return is equal to the destruction of Israel.
It will never, ever happen.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
So you're saying that the only solution- the "final solution," if you will - to preserve Israel is an ethnic cleansing, a genocide of the Palestinian people. And yet you cite the Holocaust as a rationale for Israel defending itself.
See the contradiction?
August 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmSo you are in favor of the US, alone, going after every country in the Mid-East and all other heavily Muslim countries (like the Phlilipines and several African countries) because they don’t like Jews?
WOW!! We do have some weird world police logic going on here!
Comment by upside00
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No.
..and The Philippines are mostly Catholic, Muslims make up less than 5%.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmYour mind is mush.
Comment by Ringo
Dont find an answer to my question in your insulting post. Guess thats all you have.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmLittle C,
Moral equivocation and Jew-hatred has fully cook your very last brain cell.
Your mind is mush.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Nice attempt to avoid answering: why should Israel have the ability to protect itself and not Iran?
The only really credible threat in the Middle East right now is the US threatening to attack Iran. Difficult to understand why they would take the threat seriously, given our history of interfering in their country.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmHow to pay for this next excursion? Any answers Ringo? Any answers to any serious questions Ringo?
Ringo cuts and runs like rove.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmSo you’re saying that the only solution- the “final solution,†if you will - to preserve Israel is an ethnic cleansing, a genocide of the Palestinian people.
Comment by toasterhead
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I said no such thing.
Although I do think that Iran would be willing to kill many thousands of Palestinians if would help them accomplish their goal of destroying Israel and dominating the middle-east....Iran being Shiite and Palestinians being predominantly Sunni.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmIf anyone knows anything about "cuttin' and runnin'", it's Rummy, Rove and Hastert.
They've quit in the middle of the conflict they started!!
Pure hawkish behavior at it's finest.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pmAlthough I do think that Iran would be willing to kill many thousands of Palestinians if would help them accomplish their goal of destroying Israel and dominating the middle-east….Iran being Shiite and Palestinians being predominantly Sunni.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
And your evidence that Iran would do any such thing is . . . ?
Iran wants to be a major player in the region, no surprise. Your assumption is that they are so stupid as to believe that they would be able to achieve this goal if they killed thousands of Palestinians.
Brilliant.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pmThe only really credible threat in the Middle East right now is the US threatening to attack Iran. Difficult to understand why they would take the threat seriously, given our history of interfering in their country.
Comment by gummitch — August 15, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Actually, Jordan might bust a move on Syria, though it's a longshot. Amman's down to a few hours of running water a day and Jordanians are blaming Syria for diverting the Yarmouk River.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmTP
WHY DON'T YOU WANT ME TO POST A STATEMENT ABOUT
WHY C L I N T O N APPOINTED THIS GUY???
HUH???
August 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pm“the use of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will only damage the world of Islam.â€
Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
August 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmRingo is a moron. Launching missle farther than a 1000 Kilometers means intercontiential ballistic missles, involving multiple rocket stages, re-entry vehicle protection to ensure warhead functionality, satellite communications, etc.
Iran is decades away from that capability, and North Korea isn't close either. The TaiPo Dong II's have NOT been proven to reach the 6000 KM capability they claimed to have now, and EVEN IF IT DID, it would fall short and land somewhere in the Artic Ocean.
You're a rube Ringo. A snibbling, bellycrawling rube.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmwell, i've been trying to post a copy / paste item from the w - i - k - i...
in response to some boid's question: Wasnt Woolsey appointed by C...?
... it may have been answered, but i'm determined...
David Halberstam notes [...] that C... chose Woolsey for CIA director because the C... campaign had courted neoconservatives leading up to the 1992 election, promising to be tougher on Taiwan, Bosnia, and human rights in China, and it was decided that they ought to give at least one neoconservative a job in the administration.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pm...
huh... severely redacted and edited...
August 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmand over 2 hours later...
told ya i was determined...
...
“the use of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will only damage the world of Islam.â€
Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Why do you keep posting this? It only reinforces my point.
Persians are the people who invented chess. I think they have a little more strategic sense than to start a nuclear exchange with Israel.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:08 pmShahab-5/IRSL-X-3, KOSAR/IRIS: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-5.htm
Shahab 4 : http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/shahab-4.htm
More here: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/
August 15th, 2007 at 2:08 pmhuh… severely redacted and edited…
and over 2 hours later…
told ya i was determined…
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Comment by katy — August 15, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I think it was a hiccup in the server - my post from ten minutes ago just magically appeared and is now a duble post.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWayne; it was NEC during ‘Nam.
Comment by Uncle Ho
heh, what do I know.... read somewhere the navy went to NEC after Nam, maybe it was before or at the time, been a while since I read that.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmI was Army cannon fodder, as for what I know of the Navy, I know boats can make you seasick LOL
That disproves your paranoia - loser!
Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus
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No it doesn't. What Rafsanjani is saying is that in a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel - presumably with Iran firing the first missile - Iran and the "world of Islam" will survive but Israel will be destroyed.
His point is that a nuclear Iran will be able to destroy Israel while Israel cannot destroy Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab-3
August 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHis point is that a nuclear Iran will be able to destroy Israel while Israel cannot destroy Iran.
Comment by Ringo
And you, being a shill, believe this WHY? NOBODY fires a nuke at another nation possessing the same, that's why the Cold War stalement bankrupted the Ruskies, while NO NUKES were ever fired.
Oh nevermind, you're a hopeless, frightened little man, aren't you.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWayne; not to worry, I'm just as ignorant of the AF system until it was posted on this thread earlier.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHis point is that a nuclear Iran will be able to destroy Israel while Israel cannot destroy Iran.
Comment by Ringo — August 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Do you think Iran would use the weapons Israel sold them in the 1980s to do it?
August 15th, 2007 at 2:44 pmNeoturd/Chickenhawks seem to suffer from a form of Napoleon syndrome. From wikip:
August 15th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Here are some of President Ahmadinejad's comments at the "World Without Zionism" confrence....
"Ahmadinejad articulated the real meaning of Zionism: '...We must see what the real story of Palestine is... The establishment of the regime that is occupying Jerusalem was a very grave move by the hegemonic and arrogant system [i.e. the West] against the Islamic world. We are in the process of an historical war between the World of Arrogance [i.e. the West] and the Islamic world, and this war has been going on for hundreds of years.
"'In this historical war, the situation at the fronts has changed many times. During some periods, the Muslims were the victors and were very active, and looked forward, and the World of Arrogance was in retreat.
"'Unfortunately, in the past 300 years, the Islamic world has been in retreat vis-à -vis the World of Arrogance… During the period of the last 100 years, the [walls of the] world of Islam were destroyed and the World of Arrogance turned the regime occupying Jerusalem into a bridge for its dominance over the Islamic world...
"'This occupying country [i.e. Israel] is in fact a front of the World of Arrogance in the heart of the Islamic world. They have in fact built a bastion [Israel] from which they can expand their rule to the entire Islamic world... This means that the current war in Palestine is the front line of the Islamic world against the World of Arrogance, and will determine the fate of Palestine for centuries to come.
"'Today the Palestinian nation stands against the hegemonic system as the representative of the Islamic Ummah [nation]. Thanks to God, since the Palestinian people adopted the Islamic war and the Islamic goals, and since their struggle has become Islamic in its attitude and orientation, we have been witnessing the progress and success of the Palestinian people.'
"Ahmadinejad said: 'The issue of this [World without Zionism] conference is very valuable. In this very grave war, many people are trying to scatter grains of desperation and hopelessness regarding the struggle between the Islamic world and the front of the infidels, and in their hearts they want to empty the Islamic world.
"'... They [ask]: 'Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?' But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved…
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP101305
August 15th, 2007 at 2:50 pm...but from where I sit as the unbiased independent party...
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Good Lord.
I give up....There's no cure for willful blindness.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhat kind of CRAZY NEOCON thinks:
“it will only damage the world of Islam.â€
means
“it will not damange the world of Islam.â€
Wow, that takes a special kind of CRAZY HACK!!
Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus
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I never said that.
“it will only damage the world of Islam†means that the world of Islam (1.5 billion strong) will "only" be "damaged" where as Israel (7.5 million) will be totally destroyed.
Do you have any brain left in your head?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWhat kind of CRAZY NEOCON thinks:
“it will only damage the world of Islam.â€
means
“it will not damange the world of Islam.â€
Wow, that takes a special kind of CRAZY HACK!!
Comment by HeyKKKarl_ValiantVenusShotFromUranus — August 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
To be fair, you'd have to see the original Persian to know for sure. It's a subtlety of usage in English that was probably much more clear when the quote was initially spoken.
Which is why I don't trust the MEMRI translation of the WWZ conference. Any organization that would mistranslate "the Jews will shoot us" as "we will annihilate the Jews" strikes me as suspicious. Every reference to Israel in that speech is supplied by MEMRI - Ahmedinejad could have been talking about the Sharon administration rather than Israel as a country. He's made other speeches where he referred to preserving Israel, but as a pluralistic country that allows Palestinians to return to their homeland.
It is also important to look at the historical context. For many people in the Middle East, the last 300 years have been marked by Western colonialism and empire-building, be it by the French and English, the League of Nations, or by the United States. Israel is, in the eyes of many Arabs and Persians, the last European colony in the Middle East.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNice attempt to avoid answering: why should Israel have the ability to protect itself and not Iran?
Comment by gummitch
I got back and noticed that Ringo still hasnt answered that simple question...
August 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pmI think it was a hiccup in the server - my post from ten minutes ago just magically appeared and is now a duble post.
Comment by toasterhead — August 15, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
it was more than a hiccup... i had to delete and edit and change words just to get what got there posted... tried 5 times... don't see those...
August 15th, 2007 at 3:30 pmah well...
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Following Ringo's logic here is like an acid trip through the brain cells of the typical NeoCon mind: I will get anyone I can to fight MY battles for me, but I will NEVER go to war myself. I am more important behind the scenes, driving the majority to do what the minority wants done. And if I make a lot of money along the way, so be it!
See, the NeoCons in this country will let Americans and Israelis fight and die, but not themselves.
That is a true NeoCon Chickenhawk, branded with the star of David and the dollar sign!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:37 pmNeocons aren't nation builders or gatekeepers. They are the weasels that steal from the general population. They are the alarmists that cry of made up outrage (same sex marriage, voter fraud) but ignore the need for a collective good that comes from pooling resources (infrastructure, regulations for food).
They entice those who blindly follow the flag and they question those who question them.
They have destroyed this country but have been exposed for the thieves they are.
Ringo, do your party a favor and call out all the neocons that are destroying the republicans from within.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pmButbutbut Iran is less than 10 years away from 2016!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:51 pmLooks like Ringo has left the building. Couldn't stand the heat, mean ing the truth.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThanx for the laughs Thad. You have inspired me to participate.
In a way, one can't blame the trolls. The have been conditioned to blindly follow and the information they get from their masters is faulty. Heck, just last Sunday I caught a few minutes of a televangelist who had heard, somewhere, about EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) and boy is he scared! The way he understands it, a single nuclear bomb, delivered in a ship, will wipe out every electrical device in the country!! And could kill 100,000,000 people!!! And that's not including the tens of millions who will die because their TV's don't work!!!!
And this is coming from a guy who believes he's on the "rapture list". He has a disconcerting habit of saying, "Praise Jesus" immediately after he explains how, and why, two thirds of the worlds population has to die to enable "the return of the Lord".
Folks, you can't argue with "logic" like that.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThis is absolutely frightening. Now he is going to declare the Republican Guard "terrorist" so they can then justify attacking? Our poor soldiers who "volunteered" but really have been conscripted because the prez keeps extending their time. We can't even equip the guys we have now, they are exhausted, depleted.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:04 pmbinForgotten long ago said in one of his creepy taped messages that he WANTED Bush to invade Iraq, deplete his army and bankrupt America, then attack us when we are weakened. Bush played into his hand like the psychotic fool that he is and increased the threat of terrorism 10 fold all over the world, he BROUGHT alQaeda to Iraq with his illegal occupation. Prior to the invasion there were NO alQueda there!Tillman was RIGHT and feared for our soldiers in Afghanistan if Bush invaded Iraq and look what they did to him. He is a megalomaniac, I fear for us all. Not from "terrorists" we are supposedly fighting in these wars but the terrorists in the WH and the Justice Dept. We the People have to act somehow to stop any further invasions in the Middle East! He's all hat and no cattle ( or in this case soldiers)
We are in a very scary position now because of Bush, he ignores ALL the Generals who have tried to reason with him and keeps hurling us further towards disaster.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
August 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pm- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
August 15th, 2007 at 5:20 pm- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Once again the neo-cons have started to beat the drums of war. Fact is Iran is at least 5-10 years away from nuclear capability. War with Iran will further destabilize the Middle East region. Iran is not a national security threat to us. Neither was Iraq. The Iraq war proved that the document of preemption has failed. Spreading democracy by unilateral force is also a failure.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pm“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.â€
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
Comment by BLAZESTOP — August 15, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
And through UN sanctions Saddam was successfully denied weapons of mass destruction right up to our invasion.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:40 pmWoosley profitted nicely from the Iraq disaster so it only makes sense that he'd try to make bucks off of Iran.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pmAnd you know what happened in 1998?
August 15th, 2007 at 7:25 pmBill Clinton and Sandy Berger and Richard Claarke launched a massive cruise missile attack (Operation Desert Fox) on Iraq. In that attack whatever WMD capabilities left to Iraq were destroyed.
After Bill Clinton dealt with the problem, the Bushivikii disinterred the dead horse and began to flog it.
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
August 15th, 2007 at 7:43 pm"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 Why didn't Bill "The Zipper" Clinton, Commander in heat tell Johnny all was well in Iraq ?
August 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmOr Nancey ? "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
August 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pmMore old quotes that have already been debunked, and proven wrong. I don't know what the Bush loyalists expect to achieve by re-hashing them -maybe they want to highlight how completely wrong the White House intelligence was regarding Iraq.
We should remind them that the UN weapons inspectors were asking for more time to certify Iraq was a WMD-free country right up to the onset of the invasion; hardly the sign of a "gathering threat". Not to mention the revelations that the Bush administration manufactured their own intelligence thanks to Feith's "alternative intelligence" office.
But these are facts, the kind that has a liberal bias.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:24 pm...so, if true, Bush chose to send us to Iraq first. Why???
August 16th, 2007 at 1:10 amAs long as Israel Lobby Dictates U.S. foreign Policy we will sacrifice many more American boys and girls just because that country has a bad relationship with Isreal
August 16th, 2007 at 2:11 amFirst Afghanistan, then Iraq, now Iran. America are intent on taking over this world.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:28 am... Pakistan did not 'surprise' us with the bomb, we gave them the technology for it. Read the news dumbass. If you did, you might notice that this is exactly what happened in Iraq.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:31 amIf you did, you might notice that this is exactly what happened in Iraq.
Comment by Brandon — August 16, 2007 @ 4:31 am
And do you know who built all those chemical weapons factories in Iraq in the 1980s?
Bechtel.
Who got the primary infrastructure reconstruction contracts after the invasion?
Bechtel.
Coincidence?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:48 amwho was chief of staff and secretary of defense when ford signed the order alllowing nuclear technology transfers to iran ??
August 16th, 2007 at 10:07 amYeah, and Iraq will get better. Just give it six more months.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:27 amIran openly threatens to blow Isreal and the US off the globe. Are you proposing we give Iran the 5-10 years they need to develop a bomb before doing something about it? Are you that stupid? My god we really ARE in trouble.
these countries never threatened to blow the US off the map bobh...what kind of brainless logic are you selling? some people are too stupid to offer any REAL contribution to this discussion.
Russia
China
Japan
Germany (everyone knows they cant be trusted three tiems in a row)
Indonesia
Austrailia (theyre really mean to the aboriginies too so lets bomb them)
Ya, let's just wait and see what Iran wants to do with their bomb...let's not take any action untill they blow up another World Trade center and kill thousands of Americans. I think that's best don't you?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:20 amWoolsey needs to justify his assertions. Until he does, assume the information is no better than the Iraq WMD data: Fabricated, and politically driven to justify illegal warfare.
Time for the grand jury to compel Woosley to disclose where he is getting his information: Why is the US Government supposedly leaking this "classified" inforation to Woosley who is then disclosing it? The only reasonable conclusion: The inforation is not secret, has been fabricated, and is not linked with any real information the US wants to protect related to sources and methods; and Woosley is, in effect, acting like the Iraqi shills prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:04 pm249: "Iran openly threatens to blow Isreal and the US off the globe." Your assertion is a fabrication. The quotes you are using have been mistranslated. Try again.
If, in fact, the Iranians "are" involved with illegal things, then why hasn't that targeting information been provided to the IAEA for thier inspection; and what is the basis for the US military targeting in Iran? The only reasonable answer is tht the US has not got any targets related to imminent threats; and the IAEA has not been provided the information because the US is not interested in inspections, only in military action. This is the same pre-textual, illegal basis for the invasion of Iraq.
You're starting from a faulty permise. Same problem we had prior to the Iraq invasion: Stupid arguments based on non-sense logic. Same thing today: Without reasonable arguments, the basis for invading Iran is dubious, not just illegal. Please stop supporting illegal warfare in Iran.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:07 pmHe's smoking mushrooms and looking at clouds form.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAssume the worst: Iran threatens the US with a nuclear attack, and stays long enough on the map in order for it to produce a nuclear warhead. They are lucky enough to manage loading the warhead into a ballistic missile WITHOUT blowing themselves up in the process. They are dumb and crazy enough to target the US. Then they manage to launch it accurately enough(boy, that would be a real achievement for them) to hit one of US's cities. Then the retaliation begins. In a matter of minutes/hours, Iran will be a red sea of molten rock, and another nation goes down because of it's own stupidity. Period.
September 11th, 2007 at 10:24 amAnd remember this day...it's been 6 years. Either you go with us/stay out and survive, or you can pair up with Osama and some more nukes are put on the "Reserved for......." list
September 11th, 2007 at 10:28 am