Former enemy combatant Jose Padilla found guilty.
By on Aug 16th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Former enemy combatant Jose Padilla found guilty.
Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen who had been arrested in 2002 as an enemy combatant, has been found guilty in a Miami court on all charges of supporting terrorism. The Washington Post wrote that the administration’s detention of him had been “bruising to liberty.” The Bush administration had claimed that Padilla, who was held in a military brig for more than 3 years, could be detained indefinitely and without access to a lawyer. Ultimately, the federal courts forced the administration to provide Padilla access to the courts. The verdict today affirms the merits of a judicial system that provides both due process and due punishment. Padilla’s attorneys are expected to appeal.
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Why is it that the RIGHT are pussies?????
Why is it that they are affraid of their own shaddow???
I hope scientists can find that gene and turn it off before it destroys America more than it already has……
August 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmi feel so much safer.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmCountdown to the Trolls claiming us Progs are sad that he was convicted because we love terrorists… 3…2…1…
August 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmSo the trillions USA have spent on GWOT, and we have only convicted one person?
Where’s OBL?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmCountdown to the Trolls claiming us Progs are sad that he was convicted because we love terrorists… 3…2…1…
Comment by Vet
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Are you sad that he was convicted?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pmthe difference between Padilla and Bush/Cheney is that they have killed massive numbers of human beings, ripped apart children with missiles, and shattered ancient cultures.
i am only concerned with when the U.S. justice system convicts these 2 war criminals. until then, the U.S. has no justice system.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pmAnd it was the neo-cons that have habitually attempted to gut the fourth amendment of our Constitution.
Does anyone question that justice can work when not interfered with by anti-constitution neo-cons?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe verdict today affirms the merits of a judicial system that provides both due process and due punishment.
Couldn’t have worded that better.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmPadilla is the unfortunate stepping stone/guinea pig for the coming of fascism and the complete loss of the Bill of Rights.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmJustice seems to work fine, as long as the evidence and facts are presented. Odd that they only got him on charges of supporting terrorism, I thought he wanted to set off a dirty bomb or something?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“Are you sad that he was convicted?
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm”
YES!
For being torchered, renditioned, and denied BASIC rights provided to all Americans alone he should be released IMMEDIATELY!!!!
I hope that YOU are someday arrested for something that YOU MIGHT have done, and put through what this man has been through…….
YOU ARE A PATHETIC SLIMEBALL!!!!!!
If he would have been put directly into the court system, and the results were that he was guilty then I would be excited…… However, there is no telling now if the information or evidence is even trustworthy!!!!!
Would YOU want to have to defend yourself against something like that????
August 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#5 – I am quite happy that he was found guilty.
Now, are you sad that Pres. Bush has failed to fulfill his promise of “Usama bin Laden: dead or alive!” ????
Inquiring minds want to know!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmOne conviction? Another resounding victory for the Bush/Cheney/Rove team. It’s almost like destroying the Bill of Rights was worth it or something.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmAgreed DM. The judicial system works in this country. We will survive with due process. We don’t need to put the acused in limbo.
I’m not sad he was convicted. Are you sad that he went to trial instead of being held indefinitely Ringo?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmSee, you don’t need to shred the constitution to stop the bad guys.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmRingo, a couple of salient facts. The verdict is not on the original charge of plotting a dirty bomb, and it was this charge that had Padilla arrested and detained without charges and allegedly tortured for three years in solitary.
The question of Padilla’s innocence or guilt on a much lesser charge is therefore less salient than the way in which he was treated by the government. That remains a travesty; and the government should be relieved its clumsy handling of the case did not lead to his acquittal.
It is also important to recall that Jose Padilla was interrogated in a fashion to render his mental capacity to stand trial a question. He claimed torture, and was sequestered without being charged for three years in solitary confinement. The result was a broken man, according to Time magazine.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOne conviction? Another resounding victory for the Bush/Cheney/Rove team….
Comment by hit escape — August 16, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
This conviction is another resounding victory for all Americans!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmAfter being tortured for three years Mr. Padilla is already dead. The White House made sure he would be found guilty and like so many other truths this will be told in history as a man found guilty for something he didn’t do yet who really cares anyway. How many innocent people have been put to death when later we find out they were framed. The Rosenbergs were found guilty for treason only a few years ago Russian records prove they were set up and framed. Does anyone remember the Rosenbergs or even care about that case was the Trial of the Century. We can feel bad but we can’t bring them back, so Padilla will join them in the history of the United States Justice System.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmIn my opinion the court was right to demand Padilla have access to the courts; he is an American citizen, aprehended on US soil.
I do not feel the same way about enemy fighters captured on the battle field outside of the US.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
He’d potentially be depriving the American public of their own human rights if he were to be released, as you advocate.
I’d make him live next door to you.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“This conviction is another resounding victory for all Americans!
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 3:31 pm”
The ONLY victory is that it SHOWS this administration that their ILLEGAL actions do not go as far as the LEGAL path does……..
That is the ONLY victory here today!!!!!!
Otherwise YOU, and this country, should feel Ashamed for what it did to this American!!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmOtherwise YOU, and this country, should feel Ashamed for what it did to this American!!!!!!
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Why?
This anti-American p.o.s. supports terrorism.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#20 – “I’d make him live next door to you.” Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
So, you support his release! Why do you sympathisize with terrorists?
See how easy it is to twist your words to mean exactly what you DON’T say? I’ve been taking lessons from neo-con trolls, and thought I’d try out my skills.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI do not feel the same way about enemy fighters captured on the battle field outside of the US.
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Nor foreigners captured inside the US… I assume…
?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmis the evidence now public domain?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmprobably not, huh… wonder why?…
…
You know, I think Sean Hannity looks remarkably like that one terrorist guy I saw on TV. Maybe we should lock him up, just to be safe, in a Syrian prison for the next three to five years when we get around to deciding if he can have a lawyer, or a trial, or something. But just in case he is a terrorist sympathizer we should just lock him up anyway. If we find out that he is just a talk radio host, we can always just let him go later.
We have done this to over 200 people so far, including 3 American citizens.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmI betcha the Bush apologists are looking forward to the day when President Hillary Clinton can arrest and detain people without due process.
I can’t wait the the federal government to start criminal profiling of abortion clinic snipers and gay bar bombers and Christian religious fanatics who are stockpiling weapons.
-GSD
August 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHear THAT? Jefferson is weeping.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmRingo, we agree!
OMG, does this mean we have to start dating?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by Democrat Soldier — August 16, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Yours is an odd interpretation.
Didn’t make any sense at all.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pmHear THAT? Jefferson is weeping.
Comment by Freedomboy — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Who, William “Cold Cash” Jefferson?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pmRingo apparently doesn’t recognize the supreme law of our land – the treaties we sign and ratify, a status granted by the Constitution. Someone needs to read Geneva Common Article 3.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pm#27 – “I betcha the Bush apologists are looking forward to the day when President Hillary Clinton can arrest and detain people without due process. Comment by GSD — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
That’s only if they don’t steal yet another election.
If, however, they fail in 2008 I’m sure they’ll all complain about how the Democratic executive branch is over-reaching and shouldn’t have all that power. Flip. Flop.
Roll em over in the clover & do it again!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by GSD — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Advocating the conviction of a terrorist doesn’t make anyone in here a “Bush apologist.”
You may need a new deck of cards.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#
Hear THAT? Jefferson is weeping.
Comment by Freedomboy — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
#
Short. Sweet. And to the point.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pmDid anyone listen to Democracy Now this morning? They had an interview with a psychiatrist who met with him for 22 hours. The show detailed the torture Padilla endured. This torture went on for a few years before he was even charged. Don’t forget – Padilla is an American Citizen.
I am not talking about his guilt or innocence. He might be the most despicable person on the planet. The fact that an American Citizen was held without charge and tortured should make all American Citizens nervous.
Yet, there are people out there who seem to be celebrating the destruction of our constitution.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pmYes, our judicial system — complete with all constitutional rights guaranteed our citizens — DOES actually work.
I wonder if the three years Padilla served in a brig with no rights will be counted as “time served” toward his sentence — whatever his sentence will be?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI don’t know how I feel on this conviction. His ability to defend himself against the charges has been so compromised by the government’s actions that even if the verdict were beyond reproach in fact, there would always be a cloud over it.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmComment by Chris L — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
What a pile of crazy lefty-spin dung.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI believe in all of the Bill of Rights. All of it. I have no problem with the 2nd amendment. Nor the 4th. Please remember this when republicans complain about rights being taken away.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
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Shouldn’t you be starting back to school soon, Mr. Pee??
August 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pmNachos or Just Us,
Are administrating today? Seems like you’ve been on the rag all afternoon.
Why don’t you take a couple of Midols, a brief nap, & try to wake up w/o that ‘tude.
Be sure to wash your hands when you get up, never know where that finger’s been.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pmF-TP
August 16th, 2007 at 3:44 pmComment by missmolly — August 16, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Padilla is garbage. He should never be allowed to see the sun again.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pmLibs and progressives shouldn’t have the unmitigated gall to actually get bent out of shape if someone accuses them of being angry and disappointed that Padilla’s been convicted as the domestic terrorist with Al-Qaeda ties that he is. If anything, it’s very apparent on these ToiletPaper threads that progs are shaking their Korans in self-righteous anger that Padilla’s been convicted. Progs/libtards are outraged for two reasons. First, they can no longer blame Bush on the basis that he’s imprisoned a US citizen on no grounds and was overreaching by going after an American traitor. Two, libtards and progs are also denied the libelous argument that Bush is abusing his power by having indefinitely detained Padilla without access to a lawyer, originally, because this guilty verdict shows Bush and the DoJ got Padilla on many counts, meaning they had reason to hold him like PoW.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:45 pm#30 – “Yours is an odd interpretation. Didn’t make any sense at all.” Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Let me school you in neo-con logic. Pay close attention, as neo-con logic is completely twisted and corrupted beyond belief:
You stated: “I’d make him live next door to you.†Therefore, you admit that you would like him to be released rather than be punished for his crimes.
The fact that you were being sarcastic has nothing to do with it, so it’s ignored.
The fact that you were responding to someone with whom you disagree means even less than the previous point, so it’s ignored as well.
You are now branded a terrorist sympathizer, obviously love al Quida and hate the US and the Constitution and should be scorned for your anti-American attitudes.
Now do you see how neo-con logic works?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pmF-TP
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
I think you mean “STP,” but I recommend Militec.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pmComment by Libkeyboardcommander — August 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
#
Honest question, please answer truthfully. Would you support a repeal of the fourth amendment?
Keep in mind that a person could be arrested for rape, child molestation, or any number of terrible horrific crimes, and held without a trial or a lawyer.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI hope that YOU are someday arrested for something that YOU MIGHT have done, and put through what this man has been through…….
YOU ARE A PATHETIC SLIMEBALL!!!!!!
Comment by RemoveBush
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Anger problems?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pmComment by Zimzone — August 16, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Wow. Your words were a whole lot of nothing.
Truly a dissapointing day for you, huh?
I’m sure you lost confidence in TP for rightfully reporting on this.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pm#45 – “denied the libelous argument that Bush is abusing his power by having indefinitely detained Padilla without access to a lawyer, originally, because this guilty verdict shows Bush and the DoJ got Padilla on many counts, meaning they had reason to hold him like PoW.” Comment by Libkeyboardcommander — August 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
So, the ends justifies the means, right?
So when you’re banned for being a immature crybaby, you can be satisfied that it was justice, right?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pmNow, are you sad that Pres. Bush has failed to fulfill his promise of “Usama bin Laden: dead or alive!†????
Inquiring minds want to know!
Comment by Democrat Soldier
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Yes.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by Libkeyboardcommander — August 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
You really need to get back on the Depakote.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWow. I feel so much safer now that they got this dangerous Taco Bell employee who never hurt anyone, or had any capability to hurt anyone, off the streets, and are tossing him into a dungeoun for the rest of his life for “saying stuff”.
Our government hard at work.
Securing the world from Taco Bell.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmDamnit, Nachos, I told you to wash that finger!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“First, they can no longer blame Bush on the basis that he’s imprisoned a US citizen on no grounds and was overreaching by going after an American traitor.”
WHAT????
So you mean that he was NOT held for 3 1/2 years WITHOUT due process????
“Two, libtards and progs are also denied the libelous argument that Bush is abusing his power by having indefinitely detained Padilla without access to a lawyer, originally, because this guilty verdict shows Bush and the DoJ got Padilla on many counts, meaning they had reason to hold him like PoW.
Comment by Libkeyboardcommander — August 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm”
You MIGHT have a leg to stand on if they actually charged him in court for what they were claiming they were holding him for…… The govt. could make up ANYTHING to prossecute an individual for….. So if their case was so STRONG, why did they drop the original charges and go for LESS????
HMMMMMMM????? Tell me sweet cheeks…… Why didn’t the govt. pursue the original charges if those were the charges they held him on for over 3 years????
Come on…… Don’t let your panzy ass fear prevent you from telling us…
August 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pmScratch another Islamist off the list. He will not be attending the next Hillary Clinton 2008 rally.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Anger problems?
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pm”
NO…. I’m just TIRED of you PUSSY’s on the right trampling my Constitution……
If your that affraid, just stand back and let the REAL men deal with the issues……
Your crying and throwing bombs on the problem does not do anything but harm my country…… I’m tired of it…… You pussy’s need a good ass kickin and I’m ready to start going around the country doing just that…
August 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmFirst, they can no longer blame Bush on the basis that he’s imprisoned a US citizen on no grounds and was overreaching by going after an American traitor. Two, libtards and progs are also denied the libelous argument that Bush is abusing his power by having indefinitely detained Padilla without access to a lawyer, originally, because this guilty verdict shows Bush and the DoJ got Padilla on many counts, meaning they had reason to hold him like PoW.
Comment by Libkeyboardcommander — August 16, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Wrong on both counts. He imprisoned an American citizen without charges and without counsel. That means that Bush supports Al Qaeda. You have provided no reason for treating him like a POW, which, by the way, he wasn’t. The Geneva Conventions would not have allowed the torture of Padilla. As usual, you wingnuts side with treason and against America. all of these techniques are what Nazis, Commies and Al Qaeda use. The war on terror has been decisevely won by the terrorists, with the happy assistance of the Bush madministration. I hope Bush hangs publicly. that is America’s best chance of recovering her Constitution and world respect.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by Democrat Soldier — August 16, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Based on RemoveBush’s advocacy for releasing a convicted terrorist (which I clearly don’t support), I stated that he should put his money where his mouth is…. “I’d make him live next door to you.”
Do you have to be willfully ignorant? Really, where do you buy your logic?
The fact that you were being sarcastic has nothing to do with it, so it’s ignored.
In your own skewed mind. Of course, being sarcastic does have something to do with it.
sar·casm (särkzm)
n.
1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sarcasm
August 16th, 2007 at 3:56 pmRingo, you follow this guy:
I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
Barak Obama wants to hunt OBL down but yet you follow Bush.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThe right hates the Constitution, American patriots HATE the cowardly right
August 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Now Hillary will have to locate another finalist for the “Director of Human Rights” slot on her campaign.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pmScratch another Islamist off the list. He will not be attending the next Hillary Clinton 2008 rally.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
He won’t. But, undoubtly, those on his visitation list will!
August 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pmSad Day for Nutroots
Jose Padilla, hero of super-mainstream Kos types, was found guilty today of, in one Kos commenter’s words, “being a non-white American citizen.” Also, I think that supporting terrorism had something to do with it.
More coverage at CNN if you care about actual news. Me, I just think it’s great that Jose was a pioneer showing it’s possible to be a terrorist without being name Mohammad or Ahmed.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pmHellen A. Bucket,
I don’t follow anyone.
And both of those quotes are taken completely out of context.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pm“Based on RemoveBush’s advocacy for releasing a convicted terrorist (which I clearly don’t support), I stated that he should put his money where his mouth is…. “I’d make him live next door to you.â€
Do you have to be willfully ignorant? Really, where do you buy your logic?
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 3:56 pm”
I have “tried” to answer this about 6 times, but TP keeps blocking my posts…..
Fine, I’m not a PUSSY like you and I am a man that does not cower to his own shadow…….
I PRAY, that you are one day captured for something and treated just the way this American was….. Only to later be tried for something COMPLETELY different then what America was told you were held for……
Then, let’s see if YOU have that same attitude??? I bet you won’t…… You will be PLEADING with America to help you because YOU are a citizen and deserve to have YOUR RIGHTS protected…..
August 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pmGreat. Now let’s give the rest of the suspects in Guantanamo a fair trial so we can close that stain on our country.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pmYou pussy’s need a good ass kickin and I’m ready to start going around the country doing just that…
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Get some good running shoes, because not a one of them will stand up to you. they won’t even stand up and fight for their country. not a patriot among them, just mealy-mouthed, scared little sissies, Wrongo being a prime example of the reason America has been so seriously weakened of the past 6 years. how can any country fear us if they know that nobody will fight them, and that if we go against them, we’re bound to lose? we’re getting our ass kicked in Iraq because these war-mongers are all sissies and blowhards. of course, we deserve to get our ass kicked for attempting to bully a sovereign nation into turning its oil over to us without a fight, but, still, can’t any of these rightards help the president?
Waht a stupid question. Cowards to the bone, this collection of moron trolls and sissies.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pm?
again:
is the evidence now public domain?
anyone know?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pm…
See trolls, the rule of law is a good thing.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pmYou pussy’s need a good ass kickin and I’m ready to start going around the country doing just that…
Comment by RemoveBush
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Well get started then….Go kick some pussy’s ass, tough guy.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pm“?
again:
is the evidence now public domain?
anyone know?
…
Comment by katy — August 16, 2007 @ 4:01 pm”
I’m sure that Bush will keep as much of it as he can hidden from the public……
What is available for the public should be available as soon as it is bundled up and processed…..
August 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSee trolls, the rule of law is a good thing.
Comment by RUCerious — August 16, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
The trolls won’t get it. “You just love terrorists and Muslims! Don’t try to distract me with your silly Constitution!!”
Morons, one and all.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pmcriminal profiling of abortion clinic snipers and gay bar bombers and Christian religious fanatics who are stockpiling weapons.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — August 16, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
How would that work?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmRingo, we agree!
OMG, does this mean we have to start dating?
Comment by Zimzone
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Sorry but I’m already taken.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pmComment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Except, I’m not a terrorist in any way, shape or form, and I keep myself out of trouble, so your prayers will be ignored by the super-human being.
You advocated that he should be released only because he was the victim of human rights abuses. Mr. Padilla’s attorney’s should sue the government for damages in regards to that, possibly having the violating interrogators criminally charged, but a convicted terrorists being released so he can deny the human rights of innocent citizens? Absolutely not.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:08 pmJose Padilla: Doing the job Islamic extremist Americans won’t do.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pmIslamic Rage boy is deeply saddened.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:16 pmHow many convictions does the Justice Dept. have in the Anthrax Murders ? How come we don’t hear about those actual terrorists murders anymore!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI’m glad that Padilla was found guilty , but why did it take 3 years and Supreme Court rulings to get him to Trial?
Way to go ronjazz!
I once fought for, and shed my blood for this Country, but I don’t recognize it anymore! From the Coward of Crawford, Texas, to every single person, who’s happy with the “status quo” and won’t stand up to this administration! Don’t come whining, and blubbering around me, while your basic freedoms, continue to circle the drain !
Due process prevails. Not secret courts and not trumped up charges. Evidence, an accused right to a trial. The system works.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm“Jose Padilla, hero of super-mainstream Kos types…”
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Wrong. Just because I cherish the rights guaranteed American citizens does not mean I support terrorists running around free. I just support their right to a fair trial, and I support the preservation of the constitution. That said, Padilla was convicted of supporting terrorism. And for that, he deserves to be put away.
Let me put it in a way conservatives understand. Support for the second amendment doesn’t necessarily mean support for using guns to commit illegal acts. I would never suggest that bank robbers are “heroes” of the NRA.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“Anger problems?
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pmâ€
NO…. I’m just TIRED of you PUSSY’s on the right trampling my Constitution……
If your that affraid, just stand back and let the REAL men deal with the issues……
Your crying and throwing bombs on the problem does not do anything but harm my country…… I’m tired of it…… You pussy’s need a good ass kickin and I’m ready to start going around the country doing just that…
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
This just has to be a parody?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 4:18 pm”
NO, and why??
August 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmYou advocated that he should be released only because he was the victim of human rights abuses. Mr. Padilla’s attorney’s should sue the government for damages in regards to that, possibly having the violating interrogators criminally charged, but a convicted terrorists being released so he can deny the human rights of innocent citizens? Absolutely not.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Except that he’s not a convicted terrorist. Your reading comprehension is slightly below that of a pansy.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe mainstream Kos types supported Padilla and his cause. They don’t give a damn about the Constitution. That was an excuse to offer him support. They will continue that support I predict.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe verdict demonstrates that our government can violate whatever provisions of the Constitution it chooses and still get a federal court not to dismiss its case.
It demonstrates that George Bush can hold a little brown prisoner with a Middle Eastern name in custody for years while torturing him.
It demonstrates that George Bush can get a federal court to agree that torture methods that we borrowed from the Geheminstaatspolizei, the Stasi and the KGB – which we claim we don’t use – should remain state secrets because the bad little brown people might study them and learn to resist them – when we “don’t” use them.
It demonstrates that George Bush can still scare twelve people in Florida into believing that the little brown people who mow their lawns or take their jobs or populate their slums or train to re-invade Cuba (or have sex with white women) might act in concert with little brown people from Over There and so we should keep keeping them in jail regardless of how few facts the government presents.
It demonstrates that we should be more afraid of our own government than any foreign threat.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pmThe mainstream Kos types supported Padilla and his cause. They don’t give a damn about the Constitution.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
No, it’s republicans who don’t give a damn about the Constitution.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pmNo it is moonbat liberals who don’t give a damn about the Constitution. The tenth amendment for example.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmIt demonstrates that George Bush can hold a little brown prisoner with a Middle Eastern name in custody for years while torturing him.
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Comment by OutSourced — August 16, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Padilla? Middle Eastern?
It sounds hispanic to me.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe only evidence against this man was some fingerprints on s document from Afghanistan in 2001 — This reminds me of the lockerbie bomber
I personally think theres a rat happened here
BUT i could be wrong – RETRIAL
August 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmYou advocated that he should be released only because he was the victim of human rights abuses. Mr. Padilla’s attorney’s should sue the government for damages in regards to that, possibly having the violating interrogators criminally charged, but a convicted terrorists being released so he can deny the human rights of innocent citizens? Absolutely not.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 16, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
It also demonstrates that George Bush is the world’s biggest terrorist and supporter of Al Qaeda. Thbis, of course, was well-known on 9/12/01 to those of us who can reason rather than kneel down to a boy-king deserter. Teddy Roosevelt would puke at the treason spouted by the likes of Wrongo and Frank J (who are probably just p), because he understood the law and loved the Constitution, unlike these cowards.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:29 pmIt demonstrates that George Bush can still scare twelve people in Florida into believing that the little brown people who mow their lawns or take their jobs or populate their slums or train to re-invade Cuba (or have sex with white women) might act in concert with little brown people from Over There and so we should keep keeping them in jail regardless of how few facts the government presents.
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Comment by OutSourced — August 16, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Good!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:30 pmIt demonstrates that we should be more afraid of our own government than any foreign threat.
Comment by OutSourced — August 16, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Oh, I didn’t realize you were blogging from outside of the States.
Where do you live, Russia, China, Canada?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pmNO, and why??
Comment by RemoveBush
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Because you and many other commentors here at TP – hello ronjazz – are perfect stereotypes of rage-ridden, semiliterate, Leftwing nutcases.
If you don’t want to seem quite so crazy I would recommend you only use capital letters at the begining of each sentence and only one exclamation point at the end.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:32 pmJose Padilla: Doing the job Islamic extremist Americans won’t do.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:33 pmRingo, Frank J. and Nachos of Jelly, Jeff Gannon is all oiled up and waiting for you guys!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:33 pmFrom what I can tell, this is his side of the story:
complete isolation. Small cell – nine feet by seven feet – had no view to the outside world. deprived of sleep. put in stress positions. Noxious fumes causing his eyes and nose to run. The temperature of his cell would be manipulated, He was threatened with being cut with a knife and having alcohol poured on the wounds.
Assuming it’s true, is it torture?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:34 pm“semiliterate” – Ringo
Only when we give them the benefit of the doubt.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:34 pmMore coverage at CNN if you care about actual news. Me, I just think it’s great that Jose was a pioneer showing it’s possible to be a terrorist without being name Mohammad or Ahmed.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Amazing how quickly Oklahoma City is forgotten.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:34 pmBut not only could they sequester him and torture him–they could say anything they wanted about him. They could shout–and they did–that he was The Dirty Bomber! That Sears Tower was saved from a deadly plot!
They succeeded in scaring the pants off much of the American public, and that was what was needed. They could never have blown up that big a weather balloon with someone who could talk and had a lawyer.
Padilla was a terrorist supporter–but by throwing them in a hole, they could make him Dr. Doom.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:34 pmAssuming it’s true, is it torture?
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
No.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe only evidence against this man was some fingerprints on some document that was FOUND in Afghanistan in 2001 – In 2006 SUDDENLY they find his fingerprints on the document
I smell a BIG rat – much like the Lockerbie bomber who now turns out to be innocent
I would like to suggest a retrail at the Hague for an honest trial
I could be wrong BUT I would hate to be right also , I do not just American justice and would like this to be retrailed at the Hague, If found guilty at the Hague then I would admit defeat
August 16th, 2007 at 4:35 pm#98 Poor guy….of course the dirty bomb he was helping with would have been a little worse for the people of Chicago. But hey…who cares! It is America that is evil.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pmhim in a hole.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:37 pm“If you don’t want to seem quite so crazy I would recommend you only use capital letters at the begining of each sentence and only one exclamation point at the end.
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 4:32 pm”
I could care less what you recommend……..
You clearly don’t support the Constitution, so your recommendations are about as valid as torching an American is……
So PISS OFF…..
My passion and love for my country goes beyond what YOU think!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:38 pmThat’s right, my liberal friend! He is going to be thrown in a hole to rot like the waste of flesh he is!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:39 pmOne of the key points against Padilla all along is that he was fingered by captured al Qaeda big Abu Zubaydah, and turned up in Chicago where Zubaydah said he would on his mission to dirty bomb and blow up Chicago area apartment buildings. That’s circumstantial, but surely damning. If Padilla is innocent, how did Abu Z know where he’d be and when he’d be there?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:40 pmHry, Frank J–still don’t know the difference between logical notation and mathematics?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:41 pmMy passion and love for my country goes beyond what YOU think!!!!!
Comment by RemoveBush
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I didn’t say that you don’t love your country; I said you’re crazy.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:42 pmHERE WE GO
The key piece of physical evidence against Padilla, Hassoun and Jayyousi was a five-page form Padilla supposedly filled out in July 2000 to attend an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan.
The form, recovered by the CIA in Afghanistan in 2001, contained seven of Padilla’s fingerprints and several other personal identifiers, such as his birthdate and abilty to speak Spanish, English and Arabic.
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Strange is it not they find his finerprints in 2006 just before the courtcase
I SMALL A BIG RAT
fingerprints stay on document for 6 years MY ARSE – - – set up
but then who cares ,,,,,,,,,,,,, well I do ………..
retrail at the Hague
August 16th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThe key piece of physical evidence was a five-page form Padilla supposedly filled out in July 2000 to attend an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, which would link the other two defendants as well to Usama bin Laden’s terrorist organization.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThe form, recovered by the CIA in 2001 in Afghanistan, contains seven of Padilla’s fingerprints and several other personal identifiers, such as his birthdate and his ability to speak Spanish, English and Arabic.
“retrail” – Tobey Tall
Why? He was found guilty!
You libs won’t give up until every terrorist walks free!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:45 pmYes and the fingerprints suddenly appeared on these documents 3 months before the courtcase – - -
6 years after the documents were seized by the US fromafghanistan ——
this is bullshit
August 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“I didn’t say that you don’t love your country; I said you’re crazy.
Comment by Ringo — August 16, 2007 @ 4:42 pm”
Right, and because you say so it must be true?????????
Why do the Republicans think that what they say is better than what anyone else has to say????
Because you are all egotistical ass wipes.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:47 pmI dont want him to walk free I just dont believe he can get justice in America anymore
August 16th, 2007 at 4:47 pmTobey Tall = Dimwit Dhimmi
August 16th, 2007 at 4:47 pmPadilla seems as quilty as the Lockerbie bomber
set up then guilty
August 16th, 2007 at 4:48 pmNo it is moonbat liberals who don’t give a damn about the Constitution. The tenth amendment for example.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
No, it’s conservatives who don’t give a damn about the 1st and the 4th – 10th amendments.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:50 pmTobey,
Maybe you should pay him a conjugal visit.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:51 pmOf course if what you say about the fingerprints is true wouldn’t Padilla’s lawyers have pointed that out to a jury?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:51 pm#113 peaches: Scooter Libby was found guilty! I didn’t hear you say he should his time.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:51 pmcomplete isolation. Small cell – nine feet by seven feet – had no view to the outside world. deprived of sleep. put in stress positions. Noxious fumes causing his eyes and nose to run. The temperature of his cell would be manipulated, He was threatened with being cut with a knife and having alcohol poured on the wounds.
Assuming it’s true, is it torture?
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Yes. How would you like this done to you years upon years?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:53 pm#113 peaches: Scooter Libby was found guilty! I didn’t hear you say he should his time.
Comment by Bob Day — August 16, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
What’s your point?
The Honorable Mr. I. Lewis Libby is True American Patriot,
whereas this p.o.s. Padilla is a traitor and a terrorist.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:54 pm#98 Poor guy….of course the dirty bomb he was helping with would have been a little worse for the people of Chicago. But hey…who cares! It is America that is evil.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Why wasn’t he charged with this crime?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:55 pm“complete isolation. Small cell – nine feet by seven feet – had no view to the outside world. deprived of sleep. put in stress positions. Noxious fumes causing his eyes and nose to run. The temperature of his cell would be manipulated, He was threatened with being cut with a knife and having alcohol poured on the wounds.
Assuming it’s true, is it torture?
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 4:34 pm”
I posted on this already, but TP decided not to post it…… BASTARDS!!!!
I’ll tell you what…….
How about you and I go off to some secluded location for 3 years and I will do those things to you???? Then you can come back here after that and answer that for yourself.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Why is it that the RIGHT are pussies?????
Why is it that they are affraid of their own shaddow???
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007″
And I suppose you idiots on the left would have allowed him to post bail?
August 16th, 2007 at 4:57 pmr,
You should report this threat… that is… unless it is satire.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI hope they tortured the sh*t out of him!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:58 pm“The Honorable Mr. I. Lewis Libby is True American Patriot,
whereas this p.o.s. Padilla is a traitor and a terrorist.
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 4:54 pm”
I see….. So OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE is less offensive then filling out a few pieces of paper for something that you have not done yet or may not have done???????
August 16th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI-D-I-O-T
#124: Shut your double standard Ass up! What Libby did was treason!
August 16th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThey didn’t prove jack about dirty bombs, just that he conspired to kill people for Al Qaeda. Keep moving those goalposts, wingnuts.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pm“And I suppose you idiots on the left would have allowed him to post bail?
Comment by michael — August 16, 2007 @ 4:57 pm”
We certainly would not have renditioned, torchered, and denied him his RIGHTS under the CONSTITUTION…..
We would have allowed the LEGAL process to determine his guilt in a FAIR manner, not a BIASED manner…….
August 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThe Honorable Mr. I. Lewis Libby is True American Patriot,
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Scooter Libby is a traitor and is True American vermin.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pmI didn’t see anywhere in the charges a thing about filling out papers. I did see, that he conspired to kill people for Al Qaeda.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Comment by Bob Day — August 16, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Comment by Nat — August 16, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Y’all are just made because America is kickin’ some terrorist ass, at home, and abroad!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pm“I didn’t see anywhere in the charges a thing about filling out papers. I did see, that he conspired to kill people for Al Qaeda.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 5:01 pm”
YOU DID????
They have not RELEASED the court documents yet, so what are you freeking sitting on the judges lap?????
I bet you are, or your under his desk……. Probably under his desk, that’s where most Republicans end up….
August 16th, 2007 at 5:03 pm#1
As if you have zero fear of another terrorist attack? You are a liar. I see that you have never been the victim or know someone who was a victim of a terrorist attack.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThey stated the charges publicly. You know how you love the Constitution you haven’t read it I guess.
One of the charges was conspiring to kill people for Al Qaeda.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:07 pmY’all are just made because America is kickin’ some terrorist ass, at home, and abroad!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Unless you’re in the military, you’re not kicking anything.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:08 pmJose Padilla may have done very bad things, but it doesn’t seem as if the federal govt could prove any of them. Instead, its non-Arabic speaking “experts” talked about hundreds of thousands of Arabic language communications, a few dozen of which might have included Padilla’s name in an attempt to make Padilla guilty by association. The govt changed its claims against Padilla whenever a federal court seemed likely to find its claims laughable and/or extra-constitutional.
Mr. Padilla may not be likable, he may have committed crimes and may have deserved jail time. He didn’t deserve to lose his mind, or his civil rights, or to be tossed into a law- and stimulus-free solitary confinement in order to break them. Not to get information, which would be unreliable, but to break them.
Cheney seems caught in a junior high schoolish game of “mine’s bigger”. Like a fake conscientious objector (or one with multiple deferments) years after his war, he needs to demonstrate that despite he’s a manly warrior. To show that his Washington monument is bigger than any mosque’s tower. What’s been lost is not just Padilla’s civil rights, but ours too, because doing it a second time is always easier.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:12 pmYou are a joke! a funny mofo! Did you read the intell report that terrorism is up throughout the world!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:12 pmUnless you’re in the military, you’re not kicking anything.
Comment by Nat — August 16, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
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Were the people of the jury in the military?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:13 pm#98 Poor guy….of course the dirty bomb he was helping with would have been a little worse for the people of Chicago. But hey…who cares! It is America that is evil.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
They didn’t prove jack about dirty bombs, just that he conspired to kill people for Al Qaeda. Keep moving those goalposts, wingnuts.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Pity you can’t keep your own facts straight, Franky baby. first he’s building a bomb, then he’s not…..and you are complaining about ‘goalposts’? The courts and the justice system have spoken and basically, your mouth counts for nothing.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:13 pmAs if you have zero fear of another terrorist attack? You are a liar. I see that you have never been the victim or know someone who was a victim of a terrorist attack.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
There could be another terrorist attack but your fears border on paranoia.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:13 pm“They stated the charges publicly. You know how you love the Constitution you haven’t read it I guess.
One of the charges was conspiring to kill people for Al Qaeda.
Comment by Frank J — August 16, 2007 @ 5:07 pm”
What?????
Are you coherent???? Will someone standing next to this bozo please slap him and tell him to speak intelligently?????
I know more about the Constitution then probably you…… I have sworn an OATH to protect it, while you hide under your bed with a flashlight resiting the word.
I actually support it!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#4
“So the trillions USA have spent on GWOT, and we have only convicted one person?”
What is this legal/conviction precondition to fighting terrorism? Terrorism is NOT a criminal matter. This is the same BS mentality that Clinton had while he did such a ineffective job at combating international terrorism. Why is it that so many people like yourself think that the GWOT, which FYI is global WAR on terror, is not really war? Do you think it’s a bumpersticker like that moron John Edwards says it is?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWere the people of the jury in the military?
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream
Were you on the jury?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pmWere the people of the jury in the military?
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
How the hell am I suppose to know? And what does this have to do with anything?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pm#145
Comment by Nat — August 16, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
No I just believe in doing EVERYTHING we can to prevent another attack. I think that many are satisfied with just doing the minimum and just enough to make themselves feel good.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:16 pmWhy is it that so many people like yourself think that the GWOT, which FYI is global WAR on terror, is not really war? Do you think it’s a bumpersticker like that moron John Edwards says it is?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Pretty much.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:17 pmHow about you and I go off to some secluded location for 3 years and I will do those things to you???? Then you can come back here after that and answer that for yourself.
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Good point. I have a feeling that being with you for 3 minutes might feel like torture. Although, it wouldn’t really be, now would it.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe libs lost an ally today. It’s a sad day for Think Progress and its minions.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:17 pm“What is this legal/conviction precondition to fighting terrorism? Terrorism is NOT a criminal matter. This is the same BS mentality that Clinton had while he did such a ineffective job at combating international terrorism. Why is it that so many people like yourself think that the GWOT, which FYI is global WAR on terror, is not really war? Do you think it’s a bumpersticker like that moron John Edwards says it is?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:14 pm”
Clinton CAUGHT those people in the US that were part of the 1993 WTC bombing and TRIED THEM…….
He did not go attacking Africa, a country that had nothing to do with the bombing, because he was a PUSSY……..
How is that hunt for OBL going??????
August 16th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWere you on the jury?
Comment by Wayne — August 16, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
I wish! Has he been sentenced yet?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:18 pmNo I just believe in doing EVERYTHING we can to prevent another attack. I think that many are satisfied with just doing the minimum and just enough to make themselves feel good.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
No, it’s paranoia. None of what Bush is doing is needed to fight terrorism.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWe certainly would not have renditioned, “torchered”, and denied him his RIGHTS under the CONSTITUTION…..
We would have allowed the LEGAL process to determine his guilt in a FAIR manner, not a BIASED manner…….
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
They used torches on him?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:19 pmTerrorism is NOT a criminal matter
How do you know who is a terrorist and who is not. You have no idea, do you skippy? In war, the opposition wear uniforms and when they lose, they all take off their uniforms and go home. By calling it a ‘war on terror’ you give any loser-wannabe an easy way to make himself a legend in his own mind – ‘ooh I’m the Springfield Al Qaeda’. Treat them like ciminals and you take away their opportunity to be a hero and martyr.
And please explain, how do you make war on a tactic?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:19 pm“Good point. I have a feeling that being with you for 3 minutes might feel like torture. Although, it wouldn’t really be, now would it.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:17 pm”
Being with me for 3 minutes would not be, but I bet when I performed all those things to you that Padillia was subjected too, that you would later consider to be torcher…….
August 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pm“I do not feel the same way about enemy fighters captured on the battle field outside of the US.
Comment by Ringo”
How do you feel about the “enemy combatants” who were sold to our government for $5,000 by neighbors who needed money or war lords who wanted to get rid of someone?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pmWhat is this legal/conviction precondition to fighting terrorism? Terrorism is NOT a criminal matter. — Tracy
Wrong, terrorist are criminals.
The first Trade Center bombing they were arrested, tried and convicted. No violation of rights and torture involved. No violation of the Constitution, genius.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:21 pmHow the hell am I suppose to know? And what does this have to do with anything?
Comment by Nat — August 16, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Everyday Americans (non-military), are doing all they can to put an end to terrorism, and yes, this terrorist will have his ass handed to him if he is thrown in Federal Prison.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI noticed that not one troll addresses the argument posed by RemoveBush. Not Ringo nor r.
Thats why they are trolls. NOthing but noise.
We are still waiting for your answer on that question about Iran and Israel, ringo boy.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThe libs lost an ally today. It’s a sad day for Think Progress and its minions.
Comment by firehead — August 16, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
How do you make that out, F***head? After 4 years of trampling on the Constitution rights of an American to have his habeas ciorpus rights respected, the legal system finally gets a chance to have some attempt at a criminal trial and a conviction is a result. Seems to me that the legal system can work if allowed to, proving that this fascism of ‘unlawful enemy combatants is an unnecessary totalitarian tactic. However, the damage to the Constitution remains, thatnk to the fascists running the United States.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThe libs lost an ally today. It’s a sad day for Think Progress and its minions.
Comment by firehead — August 16, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
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Hey, not everyday can be as happy as yesterday for TPers.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThe first Trade Center bombing they were arrested, tried and convicted. No violation of rights and torture involved. No violation of the Constitution, genius.
Comment by Wayne — August 16, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
And all that got us was another wave of terror. Maybe we should have been just a little more aggressive.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI noticed that not one troll addresses the argument posed by RemoveBush.
Comment by Juan C — August 16, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
RemoveBush is illiterate. I don’t think anyone knew he had an argument.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:25 pmTracy, by YOUR idea of a terrorist and what we should do to them then we should be bombing the hell out of Oklahoma because that is where Tim McVeigh was from…….
By YOUR standard, we should nuke DC because that is where those 2 guys were that were shooting people from the trunk of their car……..
By your standard, all states with serial killers need to be bombed and destroyed because they have terrorists……..
See how stupid your approach is???
August 16th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI think that many are satisfied with just doing the minimum and just enough to make themselves feel good.
Comment by Tracy
Tracy, how do we know you are not the enemy?
Lets better waterboard you in order to get some info. I mean you have to do EVERYTHING to be safe, right? Well, then we will start torturing you.
It´s for safety reasons.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:26 pmNo, r.
They “torchered” him, it’s completely different and has nothing to do with torture or torches.
You don’t want to know.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:27 pmBy your standard, all states with serial killers need to be bombed and destroyed because they have terrorists……..
See how stupid your approach is???
Comment by RemoveBush
Tracy would have to actually think to see that.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pmNot possible.
Everyday Americans (non-military), are doing all they can to put an end to terrorism, and yes, this terrorist will have his ass handed to him if he is thrown in Federal Prison.
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
I would say the Neocon mentality increases the chance of another attack on American soil.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm#156
So explain what you would do….in the short term. I know that political and economic reforms are what is needed for solving that the bulk of the problem, but for you to suggest that military action, either covert or overt, is not necessary for security is just plain dumb. I suggest you tell that to the Israelis.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe new Dollar = Amero — look it up…wikipedia
August 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pmI noticed that not one troll addresses the argument posed by RemoveBush.
Comment by Juan C — August 16, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
RemoveBush is illiterate. I don’t think anyone knew he had an argument.
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
It came from RemoveBush, I assumed it was satire.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“And all that got us was another wave of terror. Maybe we should have been just a little more aggressive.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm”
Do you REALLY know who committed that wave of terror?????
I’ll tell you this….. It was NOT 19 Arab men with box cutters…..
I don’t expect a person with the mental capacity of an amoeba to understand something like that though….. You just keep hidding under that bed and believing everything you are told…….
August 16th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#151
Good thing you aren’t in charge of anything.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI would say the Neocon mentality increases the chance of another attack on American soil.
Comment by Nat — August 16, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Well, you have the right to be wrong. But… umm…
Who cares? You claimed that only the Military were kicking terrorist’s ass, but this trial has shown that that is not the case any longer.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThe new Dollar = Amero — look it up…wikipedia
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 16, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
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Get lost, Tobey.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI don’t think anyone knew he had an argument.
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream
mmmm…still no addressing. I see.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:31 pmSo explain what you would do….in the short term. I know that political and economic reforms are what is needed for solving that the bulk of the problem, but for you to suggest that military action, either covert or overt, is not necessary for security is just plain dumb. I suggest you tell that to the Israelis.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
But we haven’t taken military action for security.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:32 pmDo you REALLY know who committed that wave of terror?????
I’ll tell you this….. It was NOT 19 Arab men with box cutters…..
I don’t expect a person with the mental capacity of an amoeba to understand something like that though….. You just keep hidding under that bed and believing everything you are told…….
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
I have a good theory for you. Pat Tillman knew who installed the charges in the WTC on 9-11. That’s why Cheney got his shot gun and killed him.
I didn’t even know you were a kooky troother.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWho cares? You claimed that only the Military were kicking terrorist’s ass, but this trial has shown that that is not the case any longer.
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @
Alright, I’ll change it to the Military, our intelligence agencies, and our judicial system.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:35 pm“I have a good theory for you. Pat Tillman knew who installed the charges in the WTC on 9-11. That’s why Cheney got his shot gun and killed him.
I didn’t even know you were a kooky troother.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:33 pm”
When you have NOTHING, try and be an IDIOT…….
Well it worked for you r…….. Good job………
August 16th, 2007 at 5:36 pmI didn’t even know you were a kooky troother.
Comment by r
Tell that to the BBC.
Announcing WTC 7 falling 5 minutes before it did. Thats kooky.
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August 16th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWell, you have the right to be wrong. But… umm…
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
That’s why I am right.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:37 pm“Announcing WTC 7 falling 5 minutes before it did. Thats kooky.
:|
Comment by Juan C — August 16, 2007 @ 5:36 pm”
It wasn’t 5 minutes, it was 20 minutes….
:>)
August 16th, 2007 at 5:38 pmBBC World News started reporting that 7 World Trade Center had collapsed about 23 minutes before the building actually came down, as video of the news network’s live broadcast on September 11th shows.
I stand corrected, RemoveBush. Thanks. :)
August 16th, 2007 at 5:40 pmmmmm…still no addressing. I see.
Comment by Juan C — August 16, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Tell me the street number, city, state, and zip-code of RemoveBush’s Mental Hospital. Then I will be able to write an address on his “get well soon” card.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:41 pmOk, I’ll take your 20 minutes and raise you 40. You obviously don’t know.
It’s still kooky.
I wish TP had a Troother division and a non-Troother division so we would know what we were about to get into.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:33 pm”
Well, since your so sure of yourself…….
Answer me this…….
Why were there PARKING LOTS full of cars several blocks away with most of their metal corroded, but only on the top?????
What, from an NATURAL, collapse would cause that????? What material would BURN the metal in that fashion from a building collapse?????
I know the answer, and I’ll give it to you “if” you have the balls to answer this question in a serious fashion.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:42 pmIt’s still kooky.
I wish TP had a Troother division and a non-Troother division so we would know what we were about to get into.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
There is no non-troother division at TP.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“And all that got us was another wave of terror. Maybe we should have been just a little more aggressive.
Comment by r”
Or maybe we should stop sticking our nose in where it doesn’t belong. The so-called Terrorists hate us because we meddle in their affairs. Osama wanted our air base out of Saudi Arabia because he thought it defiled their country. And guess what, Bush closed it after 9-11. All this BS about they hate us because of our freedoms is just that, BS. They hate us because we are interfering with their affairs. It is none of our business what the Middle East wants to do with their oil and it is none of our business how they want to run their governments.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:44 pmNah, RemoveBush…there were 19 guys with nailclippers who did it.
I mean, if you start an investigation about the greatest terrorist attack in US soil 3 years after it happened… well, you know.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:46 pm#158
“You have no idea, do you skippy?”
I will let the CIA and the NSA make that determination, NOT the DOJ when it comes to foreign nationals.
“Treat them like ciminals and you take away their opportunity to be a hero and martyr.”
Uh, I still would rather have them eliminated, but you seem to be worried about their legend status. Too PC for me. Treating them like criminals is exactly one of the reasons why we can get out hands on so many of them.
“And please explain, how do you make war on a tactic?”
I am talking about making war on those who use OR support the tatic. Again I have heard, and agree BTW, with this point that terrorism is tatic used by those who want to FORCE their political and religious values on other people.
Also do you know what the charter of Hamas and al Qaeda says?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:46 pm“Comment by bilbobaggins — August 16, 2007 @ 5:44 pm”
Well said……
I have said the samething time and time again, but the Republicans are so affraid of their own shadow that they believe the HYPE that they hate us for our freedoms….
They don’t bother to do any research as to why they really hate us…
August 16th, 2007 at 5:48 pmComment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
thank you for answering! (trial info made public?)
August 16th, 2007 at 5:52 pm…
Why were there PARKING LOTS full of cars several blocks away with most of their metal corroded, but only on the top?????
What, from an NATURAL, collapse would cause that????? What material would BURN the metal in that fashion from a building collapse?????
I know the answer, and I’ll give it to you “if†you have the balls to answer this question in a serious fashion.
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Ok, I don’t know. First I don’t know if your assertion is true. I suppose you fact checked it in some conspiracy publication or something.
I guess a [billion – exaggeration] gallons of jet fuel spraying the neighborhood?
What’s the Troofer conclusion?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:54 pm#161
“Wrong, terrorist are criminals.”
When you receive material and financial support for terrorist attacks by another country like Iran and Syria you are no longer a terroist, you are soldier fighting a war for that coutry by proxy.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:55 pm“Uh, I still would rather have them eliminated, but you seem to be worried about their legend status. Too PC for me. Treating them like criminals is exactly one of the reasons why we can get out hands on so many of them.”
I see, so how do you know who they are?????? You have to use Police like investigations to do that…..
Otherwise we might as well allow the police to just shot a man running down the street from a bank robbery becuse he “must be guilty” or he would not be running…….. Could it be that he was just jogging in the area and that was it?????
“I am talking about making war on those who use OR support the tatic. Again I have heard, and agree BTW, with this point that terrorism is tatic used by those who want to FORCE their political and religious values on other people.”
No…. .Your talking about lumping ANYONE that you are afraid of into the same bucket and shooting at the bucket to see if you eventually get them…..
The ONLY way to defeat a tactic is by a police type action, not bombing the hell out of areas at random.
“Also do you know what the charter of Hamas and al Qaeda says?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:46 pm”
Sure, but that does not mean that ALL muslims are that way…….
So then we need to bomb part of America, because we have some very similar people here in the States, only they are WHITE……
Ever hear of the white supremisis group???? How about compounds here in the US like that????? Think we should bomb them????? After all, they don’t like the government either and “could” attack someone for it.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#161
So if and when we catch bin Laden, he should be tried in a U.S. court? What U.S. constitutional right would you like to bestow upon him?
August 16th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI guess a [billion – exaggeration] gallons of jet fuel spraying the neighborhood?
What’s the Troofer conclusion?
Comment by r
Hey, Korolev (google it), the fire you saw when the planes crashed was that fuel you mentioned reacting very fast with oxygen with the presence of heat.
So, no, it wasnt unburnt fuel. Try again. But read science books first.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWife free after 67 days for killing : SELMER, Tenn. (AP) – The woman convicted of manslaughter in the shotgun slaying of her minister husband was freed Tuesday after serving 67 days in custody. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-14-winkler_N.htm?csp=34
This is bush’s justice system . killer are freed and innocents are jailed ! America , a country where your color is a judge !!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#164
“Seems to me that the legal system can work if allowed to, proving that this fascism of ‘unlawful enemy combatants is an unnecessary totalitarian tactic.”
I this ONE case involving a U.S. citizen! I have news for you, most of the terrorists plotting today don’t have and will and never should have a U.S. Constitutional right to a trial in U.S. court.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#168
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
I has nothing to do with where they are from. It has to do with who knowingly supports them. Talk about dumb comments!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:05 pm“Ok, I don’t know. First I don’t know if your assertion is true. I suppose you fact checked it in some conspiracy publication or something.”
Finally, a truthful answer.
See page 21 of this document…..
http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf
You mean to tell me that a photo of the days events is determined to valid by what website it comes from????? So we need to ignore any pictures of the WTC’s that only belong to people who “believe” the governments account?????
“I guess a [billion – exaggeration] gallons of jet fuel spraying the neighborhood?”
Wrong!!! Remember……. Most burned up within the FIRST FEW MINUTES….. Also, this is BLOCKS from Ground Zero…… So NO, jet fuel could not have caused this. Besides, jet fuel does not EAT metal, it would burn the paint but the metal is eaten away by corrossion, not heat.
“What’s the Troofer conclusion?
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 5:54 pm”
It has been PROVEN by scientific evaluation and experimentation that it was a chemical known as “thermate”.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI this ONE case involving a U.S. citizen! I have news for you, most of the terrorists plotting today don’t have and will and never should have a U.S. Constitutional right to a trial in U.S. court.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Why not?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:06 pm#169
Well if you can produce an intelligence report that says I am a terrorist threat then do what you gotta do.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWhen you receive material and financial support for terrorist attacks by another country like Iran and Syria you are no longer a terroist, you are soldier fighting a war for that coutry by proxy.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
I disagree.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#171
That’s because it’s a dumb way to look at it.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#169
Well if you can produce an intelligence report that says I am a terrorist threat then do what you gotta do.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
You have no self-respect.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#181
Please explain what you mean by that.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:12 pmComment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
thank you for answering! (trial info made public?)
…
Comment by katy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
katy, you do know that TrimBeaver is a troofer, right?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“katy, you do know that TrimBeaver is a troofer, right?
Comment by “peaches” from peaches n’ cream — August 16, 2007 @ 6:13 pm”
Like FACTS care one way or the other whether I’m white, black, purple, blue, Official Conspiracy Therory believer, or a “troofer”?????
You mean that FACTS change by what the person is???????
So then, your saying that Padilla is in fact INNOCENT?????
August 16th, 2007 at 6:16 pmHeh. Thanks for the link. I’m enjoying this already. When the author has to state in his first paragraph: “this is serious business. It is not just “nutty fringe science†or “conspiracy theoryâ€â€
Well. That proves your point already. You quote a troofer for your troofer facts.
Heh.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:19 pm“That proves your point already. You quote a troofer for your troofer facts.
Heh.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 6:19 pm”
Really????
So what is your degree in?????
What is your doctorate for?????? Is it in science like Dr. Jones????
I just love how someone who could not even count to 20 without taking off their shoes is critisizing a PHD who has performed SCIENTIFIC experiements to come to his conclussions……..
But your just a go alnong with the crowd person rather than a thinker…….
SOOOOOO SAD!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:22 pmHANG HIM!!!!!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:22 pm“Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 6:19 pm”
Also, I noticed that you did not even address what I was pointing out on page 21 of that document…….
I guess even pictures are to difficult for you as well?????
August 16th, 2007 at 6:23 pmCalm down WaxPussy, by yourself self a brand new tinfoil hat to keep the govt radio waves out of your brain!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:24 pm“HANG HIM!!!!!!!!!
Comment by m12 — August 16, 2007 @ 6:22 pm”
So then we should do the same to Libby!!!!!
He is a TRAITOR and a bigger criminal to this country then Padillia……
August 16th, 2007 at 6:24 pmHANG HIM!!!!!!!!!
Comment by m12 — August 16, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Yup.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:25 pmSo then we should do the same to Libby!!!!!
He is a TRAITOR and a bigger criminal to this country then Padillia……
Why? Libby was not convicted of terrorism.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI guess TP is blocking all my supporting material. But a very little research on Dr. Jones indicates that he’s been [effectively] fired for being a kook. Good reference.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:34 pm#207
You are aware we are talking about non U.S. citizens…..right?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#210
Why?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:40 pmAlberto’s justice. What better DOJ offical could has scored this verdict?
August 16th, 2007 at 6:50 pmGuilty from the get go.
Maybe a precourser to the detention centers awaiting you.
trolls just love it.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:51 pmTrools and grinches are their way.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:54 pmTrools?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:11 pmTrools?
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
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Trools = troofer + troll
August 16th, 2007 at 7:21 pm“I guess TP is blocking all my supporting material. But a very little research on Dr. Jones indicates that he’s been [effectively] fired for being a kook. Good reference.
Comment by r — August 16, 2007 @ 6:34 pm”
WRONG!!!!
BYU did suspend Dr. Jones because he was using the schools name, i.e. Dr. Jones from BYU but that is it…….
Sorry to bust your bubble……
He took his severance package and left, since they were trying to STIFLE him……
I see you really have NOTHING to support your point with?????? How about that jet fuel??????? Think it caused that metal on those cars a block or more away to corrode like that?????
August 16th, 2007 at 7:38 pm“Why? Libby was not convicted of terrorism.
Comment by m12 — August 16, 2007 @ 6:25 pm”
No he was convicted of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in the Valerie Plame case…..
Considering she was a CIA asset and a NOC, that is borderline TREASON…..
Certainly much MORE of a crime than what Padillia has done….
August 16th, 2007 at 7:39 pmNo he was convicted of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE in the Valerie Plame case…..
Considering she was a CIA asset and a NOC, that is borderline TREASON…..
Certainly much MORE of a crime than what Padillia has done….
How so? Padilla was convicted of terrorism, which is akin to treason!
Tell you what. Since Padilla committed his crimes first, execute him, then we’ll talk about Libby.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSo if and when we catch bin Laden, he should be tried in a U.S. court? What U.S. constitutional right would you like to bestow upon him?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
How about all of the rights your so-called “freedom” gives to every person?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pmBYU did suspend Dr. Jones
He took his severance package and left,
I see you really have NOTHING to support your point with?????? How about that jet fuel??????? Think it caused that metal on those cars a block or more away to corrode like that?????
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
I assume he was tenured before he went crazy. So they couldn’t fire him. All they could do is tell him not to come around anymore. That’s (effectively) firing him.
Just because I can’t answer your corroded car challenge doesn’t mean Dr. Kooky is correct.
I’ll sit in my moms basement, you sit with your tin foil on your head. We’ll both be happy.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI am talking about making war on those who use OR support the tatic. Again I have heard, and agree BTW, with this point that terrorism is tatic used by those who want to FORCE their political and religious values on other people.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Forcing political values on other people? Like spreading democracy via Tomahawks and long-range bombers? Shock and awe?
August 16th, 2007 at 7:52 pm#238
I haven’t head of anyone using bombs to spread democracy. If you think the U.S. is doing it then…you have the right to such stupidity.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:10 pm#234
What about it?
August 16th, 2007 at 8:11 pm“What about it?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 8:11 pm”
Who are you talking too?????
Provide names, and the text to which you are asking about…
The numbers change, man are you DENSE!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI haven’t head of anyone using bombs to spread democracy. If you think the U.S. is doing it then…you have the right to such stupidity.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Did your brain aneurysm pop? Straight from the mouths of Bushco, our mission is to “fight terrorism and bring Democracy to the Middle East”. There have been changes, and we may disagree about their truthfulness, but our government claims that every bomb we have dropped has been intended to spread democracy.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:25 pma sad day for liberals. he was a hero to all liberals
August 16th, 2007 at 8:27 pmA sad day for liberals. He was a hero to all liberals.
Comment by chris — August 16, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Yeah, and I’m sure you cried on June 11, 2001.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIf the Feds would just make better use of detention camps, torture, and un fettered domestic spying, we wouldnt have to waste money trying these muzzie sympathizers. We could just make them dissappear.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:40 am#241
The question wasn’t for you dickhead. Don’t worry about it.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:43 am#241
Comment by RemoveBush — August 16, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
The question wasn’t for you dickhead. Don’t worry about it.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:44 am#242
“There have been changes, and we may disagree about their truthfulness, but our government claims that every bomb we have dropped has been intended to spread democracy.”
Provide quotes to those claims that state this. Your inference skills suck.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:47 amHey RemoveBush
Get your head out of the sand and read this:
It is amazing that at a time when the West is facing such implacable opposition from the most savage and candidly ruthless of enemies, some people are so blinded by their own political prejudices that they will actually lend a helping hand to homicidal fanatics who share none of their values and want them beheaded on camera.
It’s also sobering to realise that, as if the external threat is not great enough, we also need to confront a vociferous fifth column determined to do whatever it takes to thwart our efforts. I think this phenomenon is quite unprecedented in human history and if it’s not, I suppose the civilisations that were plagued by it did not last very long.
You are just pissed that your martyr was convicted by his peers and there was no, gasp, “cover-up.” Time will always bring out the truth, and all your rantings prior to this terrorist’s conviction are now proven FALSE and MISLEADING.
August 17th, 2007 at 3:30 pm