Fact-checking the latest global warming denial campaign.
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Fact-checking the latest global warming denial campaign.
When NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies recently announced that it was revising its temperature data, right-wing bloggers leaped at the news to propel its global warming denial campaign. James Hansen — head of the NASA center — sets the record straight. He writes that the “corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable,” adding that the “deceit” propagated by the right “has a clear purpose: to confuse the public about the status of knowledge of global climate change.”
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The weirdest aspect of the denialists is "why"? what's in it for them? why are they so invested in doing nothing to save humanity from itself?
August 16th, 2007 at 10:21 pmthe post above will delete because this is an echo chamber run by cowards
August 16th, 2007 at 10:22 pmRon.. Global Climate Change is a cannard invented by leftists who have no other battles to fight in the industrial world. They need to feel "helpless" to feel fufilled.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:23 pmCome to Georgia to see that global warming is real > 2 weeks of drought here and even old trees are dropping leaves and dying.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:23 pmthe post above will delete because this is an echo chamber run by cowards
Comment by Ken — August 16, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
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You got that right!
August 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThe weirdest aspect of the denialists is “why� what’s in it for them? why are they so invested in doing nothing to save humanity from itself?
Comment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
They don't understand it, and they'd have to work at it to understand -- like we all do -- so rather than try to work through it, they just give up and deny the whole concept.
Changing habits is difficult. See above.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI understand why the oil lobby has their "scientists" denying global warming. Trailer trash like Ken an |? They are just invested in the right wing dogma.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThe really sad thing about the roaring single digits of this century is that our leaders are not just clueless and lazy. There is an element of deceit. They are doing so much damage in so many areas that will haunt us for decades or even more.
We know about the disaster in Iraq and our relations with the rest of the world. We now know about Bush's intentions the whole time of establishing a permanent base there and taking their oil.
We know about the health scandals, including how our former Surgeon General said this Administration squelched science in favor of obsequious comments about Bush. More deceit.
We know about global warming. The latest on that is just another example of an attempt to deceive: http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/16/must-read-from-hansen-stop-the-madness-about-the-tiny-revision-in-nasas-temperature-data/
And boy do we know about the Murdoch and his billion dollar Fox media empire which enables all this deceit. Why just today it was reported they were caught doctoring up Wikipedia.
And let's not forget about outing Plame as political payback, the illegal spying, the torture and all the rest.
These crooked, deceitful Fox-Republicans officials and politicians are the slime of the Earth. Democrats need to put them exactly where they belong. No more free passes. These Republicans will do whatever they can get away with. If the Democrats don't show them there is a real price to pay for this kind of activity, it will happen again within the next few decades and the Nixon Bush cycle will continue. Rove is young yet.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:36 pmAnybody who denies global warming exists is uninformed or ignorant. However, the consensus that global warming is caused by human activity is misguided.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:38 pmGlobal warming is happening, remember to tell the children of today to "remember the glaciers!"
August 16th, 2007 at 10:39 pmComment by Michael Savage, PhD
As I've said many times, a PhD is no guarantee of intellectual integrity.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:41 pm"Anybody who denies global warming exists is uninformed or ignorant. However, the consensus that global warming is caused by human activity is misguided."
Oh, tell us, wise Michael Weiner!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 10:42 pmFor the leaders at Exxon/Mobil, Chevron/Texaco, ConocoPhillips, BP, et al, their political operatvies (on both the right and the left) and the MSM/military-industrial complex, putting an end to global warming would of course mean changing the current Western paradigm. Our flavor of capitalism, which thrives on the myth that consumption and economic growth should be boundless, simply is not conducive to telling the truth about where we are headed if we continue to piss through the worlds natural resources at the current rate, especially its fossil fuels.
The "deniers" or more aptly, the "liars", are protecting their own interests and investments in maintaining the lie. These are the most brazen and insidious of propagandists.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:48 pmTell the folks in Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Washington that Global Warming is a hoax. Tell them that while they suffer through a 7+ year drought, while millions of acres of forest plus property goes up in flames Its not getting any better people and we're only making things worse.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:49 pmAnybody who denies global warming exists is uninformed or ignorant. However, the consensus that global warming is caused by human activity is misguided.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 16, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
You have stumbled upon a strawman argument put forth by the global warming deniers. The consensus is not that "global warming is caused by human activity", but that its effects are worsened by human activity. Please make this correction in your understanding of the situation. Thank you.
Now, if you'll excuse me, The Daily Show is about to begin. Nice seeing all of you. I won't be posting again tonight, so enjoy the evening. It's been a long day and I need to get some sleep.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:53 pmNow, if you’ll excuse me, The Daily Show is about to begin. Nice seeing all of you. I won’t be posting again tonight, so enjoy the evening. It’s been a long day and I need to get some sleep.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 16, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Such an unforgivable tease....
August 16th, 2007 at 10:56 pmComment by Jim Wolf359 — August 16, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
As I type this, there is smoke in the air -- Northern Idaho.
August 16th, 2007 at 10:57 pmRon.. Global Climate Change is a cannard invented by leftists who have no other battles to fight in the industrial world. They need to feel “helpless†to feel fufilled.
Comment by Ken — August 16, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
and nothing else to do. You are a moron.
and savage weiner, PHD means "piled higher and deeper".
August 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pmZooey, you've had that all summer haven't you? We've gotten A LOT of that smoke down here in the Central Rockies in Colorado (Basalt). It has played havoc with my Asthma this summer. Yet another consequence of Global Warming. Health Impacts.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pm"You have stumbled upon a strawman argument put forth by the global warming deniers. The consensus is not that “global warming is caused by human activityâ€, but that its effects are worsened by human activity. Please make this correction in your understanding of the situation. Thank you."
Fine, humans aren't TOTALLY at fault. Now, would we be losing Greenland if it weren't for human activity? I know you have a good heart but giving comfort to denyers is not cool. The fact is we have normal weather patterns...and we have human activity making the extremes more extreme. In other words human activity is making the almost unbearable, truly unbearable.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:06 pmSo, NO, it isn't a strawman.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:06 pmZooey, you’ve had that all summer haven’t you? We’ve gotten A LOT of that smoke down here in the Central Rockies in Colorado (Basalt). It has played havoc with my Asthma this summer. Yet another consequence of Global Warming. Health Impacts.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 16, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Yes, lots of smoke this year, but thankfully not as much as last year. Also, right now the wheat harvest is going on, so lots of dust in the air. My mom, who has severe lung problems, can't even leave the house right now.
I think asthma problems are only going to get worse as tome goes on -- in children and adults.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:12 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 16, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
There is some dissagreement among individual scientists about the extent to which human activity is involved. Many scientific organizations agree with the consensus, some do not. Among those who do agree with the consensus, they say humans do cause most of the warming, so you are incorrect about humans worsening its effects.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pmAmong those who do agree with the consensus, they say humans do cause most of the warming, so you are incorrect about humans worsening its effects.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 16, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
This may be the best example of black and white rightwing reasoning ever displayed.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWhat, Michael Weiner? That isn't really Michael Weiner?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:21 pmAhh, ron, good point. Among those who do agree with the consensus. Where do you fall, Phd?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pmComment by ronjazz — August 16, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
If you read my post, I was responding to Wayne A Shneider's post 15.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:27 pmLibertarians unite?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:33 pmglobal warming is natural...do some research you al gore put it away in a lock box followers...enablers...the world owes me because daddy never hugged me and mommy had many boyfriends.
GET OVER IT
AL GORE LIED!
August 16th, 2007 at 11:35 pmIf you read my post, I was responding to Wayne A Shneider’s post 15.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 16, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
So?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:35 pmComment by leftist sheep FOLLOWERS — August 16, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
Project much?
August 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pmThat's the SECOND TIME McIntyre caught AGW people in a mistake.
Mann's first "hockey stick" was likewise debunked. How many more mistakes are there in this young science?
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Do you cats really care about AGW?
Stop eating meat; only eat a locally grown vegan diet.
Take mass transportation more often..
Only take local vacations.
Don't drink tap water; drink tap water.
Drive a Prius when mass transportan and carpooling isn't possible..
Use as little AC and heat as possible.
Support a massive nuclear power plant construction effort.
Turn off your effing computers.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:37 pmCorrection:
Don't drink BOTTLED water; drink tap water.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:38 pmGET OVER IT
AL GORE LIED!
Comment by leftist sheep FOLLOWERS
Are you joking? Why would I believe that Al Gore lied coming from someone with the name "leftist sheep FOLLOWERS"? Der
August 16th, 2007 at 11:59 pmI am waiting for LEFTIST SHEEP FOLLOWERS to come up with a cogent argument. Think I will be waiting long?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:00 amRon.. Global Climate Change is a cannard invented by leftists who have no other battles to fight in the industrial world. They need to feel “helpless†to feel fufilled.
Comment by Ken
Global climate change was invented by GOD!!!!
August 17th, 2007 at 12:05 amGET OVER IT, AL GORE LIED! Comment by leftist sheep FOLLOWERS
You think oil under arctic happened because of cold climates?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:06 amCome to Georgia to see that global warming is real > 2 weeks of drought here and even old trees are dropping leaves and dying.
Comment by Jay Randal — August 16, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
we're roasting here in shanghai too jay - hottest summer in 70 years
August 17th, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by Michael Savage, PhD
As I’ve said many times, a PhD is no guarantee of intellectual integrity.
Comment by barfly — August 16, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
I have a PhD and I guarantee that this dimwit does not. Not once chance in a million.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:19 amipod > late May and all of June was dry as a bone here, then July was rainy, then wham the drought returned worse than ever with 100 degree plus temps daily. Just got the first shower tonight in over 2 weeks. Century old trees are dying everywhere. I lost about 8 Dogwood trees on my 3 acres and other large trees are dropping all their leaves like it is October. I am having to move a sprinkler on hose all over my wooded property. Never had to do this before. ipod > you have a huge hurricane-cyclone headed your way over Taiwan.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:20 amAs I’ve said many times, a PhD is no guarantee of intellectual integrity.
Comment by barfly — August 16, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
It is no guarantee, but in my considerable experience PhD scientists by and large have a lot of integrity when it comes to their work.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:21 amI am waiting for LEFTIST SHEEP FOLLOWERS to come up with a cogent argument. Think I will be waiting long?
Comment by JPark — August 17, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Forever.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:23 amAL GORE LIED!
Comment by leftist sheep FOLLOWERS — August 16, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
I don't even understand the relevance of this comment. Al Gore is not the global scientific community. It doesn't matter whether he lied about this or that or not. He doesn't decide what the science says, and the best science today is virtually unanimous that AGW is real, and is a significant threat to mankind.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:26 amComment by VerbalKint — August 17, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Please point out any fallacies I have made in any of my statements.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:30 amFallacies, Michael Savage? Do you doubt that humans have a large effect on climate?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:34 amZoo, I kinda figured that :)
August 17th, 2007 at 12:35 amIf not, why do you call yourself Michael Savage?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:35 amPlease point out any fallacies I have made in any of my statements.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 17, 2007 @ 12:30 am
No. Here's a different idea, though. Please provide support for your statements. Which you can't. You spout unsupported claims that are flatly contradicted by a vast body of scientific data and theory.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:39 amUnfair, Verbal, they are not good at that kind of thing.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:43 amThe claim that there is some kind of ongoing debate among qualified scientists about the basics of AGW is a fiction promulgated by liars. I just read a ludicrous op-ed in the Salt Lake Tribune (what do you expect) from Cal Thomas repeating this same lie.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:45 amComment by VerbalKint — August 17, 2007 @ 12:39 am
My logic is clear. There is a consensus among many scientific organizations regarding human impact, however, many individual scientists disagree (mostly on the degree of human impact). Therefore, I choose to cast some doubt. I will cite individual scientists such as Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, and Dr. Frederick Singer of UVA, who wrote a fantastic book about global warming which I have read.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:51 amThe chart on this page is the Land-Ocean Index, and should not be confused with the US Land data referred to in the text, which can be found here: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt
August 17th, 2007 at 12:59 amComment by Joe — August 17, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Those numbers are actually more disturbing.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:03 amThere is a consensus among many scientific organizations regarding human impact, however, many individual scientists disagree (mostly on the degree of human impact).
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD — August 17, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Right. There is no disagreement that human activity actually does impact global climate. The only disagreement is over the extent to which it does, not if it does. That is one very big difference.
Trying to casting doubts over the consensus is dishonest at best.
I will cite individual scientists such as Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT, and Dr. Frederick Singer of UVA, [...]
Without going into the details of these scientists' credentials and the merits of their position, fact remains there is consensus that global warming is real and that humans are having an impact.
Your choice of listening to the dissenters is akin to paying attention to Flat Earthers because, you know, there is dissent over whether or not the Earth is actually round and revolves around the Sun.
What a ridiculous position to take.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:03 amOT, but I would appreciate any help.
My machine has a tendency to crash lately. I have 2GB of ECC memory and have swapped the SIMS between left and right. No change in characteristics. I would like to find a diagnostic for my Pentium 4 2.1 GHz processor so I can evaluate it. My next step if that does not come to fruition is to pull the processor and plug it back in. I have done all of the virus things.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:25 amMy basic question is "Is there anyone who offers a package that checks out the system itself?"
ALGORE has become an ecoterrorist. He has successfully scared children that they are going to burn up etc based on a 0.1 degree temp rise in the past 10 yrs. The hootest yr on record was during the dust bowl and 4 of 10 hottest yrs were in the 30's. I still think this is just a plan to implement an ecologica agenda which he has been successful in doing. I still dont buy the fact that humans did this when a larg portion of the earth was once covered in ice (what caused it to melt?-- the sun?) why isnt this just a normal temp change? what heppened to the fear of global cooling in the 70's because of pollution? The scientists were then saying we would be in a constant winter like season. The yr after katrina they were predicting 10 or more hurricanes to hit the gulf. for the past 2 yrs they had to downgrade their predictions because they couldnt even predict the weather 2 yrs ahead of time even using their computer models, that is why i am skeptical about the earth dying from man made global warming in 50 yrs . As i get older the lest I trust anything that comes out of a politicians mouth
August 17th, 2007 at 1:35 amGlobal warming is real and those that deny its existence for purely financial reasons hurt their credibility every time they try to discount something that is considered fact by the scientific community.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:42 amAs i get older the lest I trust anything that comes out of a politicians mouth
Comment by wayne — August 17, 2007 @ 1:35 am
You do realise the thread is about NASA's statement not about Al Gore, don't you?
Smear Al Gore as much as you want, fact remains global climate change is real and that there is consensus in the scientific community that human activity is (at least) partly to blame.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:46 amComment by wayne — August 17, 2007 @ 1:35 am
Just visit the Maryland shore. My Uncle sank a measuring stick on his dock, it is 3 cm more submerged then it was in 2000.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:46 amWell, first of all, the top ten hottest years ARE STILL THE SAME.
The data was for the USA... The GLOBAL data hasn't changed.
A lot of these denialists are saying that the hottest year was 1998. This is false. No one has EVER quoted data for our country alone. What most quote (as Al Gore did in "An Inconvenient Truth") is 2005 as the hottest. And he's correct!
That Hansen page is good, but I implore anyone who really wants to know about this whole incident, visit this link:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/08/1934-and-all-that/
They lay it all out, exposing this right wing idiocy.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:47 amOh, and just to add...
In the comments section, one person said it perfectly, and in a single sentence...
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August 17th, 2007 at 1:52 amDon't worry everyone you can polute to your hearts content, you will never know what mark you made on earth, just your grandchildren and who cares about them. Besides just think of the economy.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:52 amJust visit the Maryland shore. My Uncle sank a measuring stick on his dock, it is 3 cm more submerged then it was in 2000.
Good Lawd, the apocalypse is upon us because we know without a doubt that the Maryland shore has never before in the earth's history seen this particular level.
August 17th, 2007 at 7:12 am"The weirdest aspect of the denialists is why?"
It's simple: To fight global warming, we will need a controlled economy, a strong central government, oodles of government regulation, and a great deal of international cooperation.
Of course, this scares the poop out of wingers. They'd much rather let the planet go down the tubes than admit they're wrong.
August 17th, 2007 at 7:32 am"A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change. It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen. It also shows that modern temperatures are not determined by the Sun's effect on cosmic rays, as has been claimed."
August 17th, 2007 at 7:37 amnews.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6290228.stm
When the "Human Caused" global warming folks get the Facts straightthen perhaps they will have some credibility.
Oh and remember "freon" and hairspray was going to kill us all.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:03 amYour article on global warming is quite impressed. But you gave me more information about effect of green house projects. I had found a site which give regulary updates on global warming. This blog give have some great points like "The real heat will start after 2009, they said."
August 17th, 2007 at 8:10 amhttp://www.LifeOfEarth.Blogspot.com
These threads must set off some alarm bell at the Petroleum Institute, because the second one is posted you see a special class of persistent trolls come scurrying.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:17 amIt’s simple: To fight global warming, we will need a controlled economy, a strong central government, oodles of government regulation, and a great deal of international cooperation.
Translation: Liberals tell everyone how to live, where to work, what to eat, etc. and everything will be just fine.
Cant wait! Living in a pre-fab one room apartment with twelve other people, wearing my padded Mao suit and reed sandals, and shuffling off to the broom factory every day. Woohoo, libera...er...I mean 'progressive' government at its finest!
August 17th, 2007 at 8:18 amRump Ranger
No, the government, elected by the people tells everyone what they can get away with doing and what they can't. Pretty much just like right now, what with business not being allowed to do little things put lead in your paint or mercury in your water.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:51 amWhen the “Human Caused†global warming folks get the Facts straightthen perhaps they will have some credibility.
Oh and remember “freon†and hairspray was going to kill us all.
Comment by 186 — August 17, 2007 @ 8:03 am
Is that article supposed to prove anything? It says what most of us have known for a long time - that biofeuls, particularly noncellulosic ethanol, are not a viable solution to reducing carbon emissions and are only a pathetic pandering to the farm lobby.
And the ozone hole caused by CFCs (such as freon and the propellants in old hairspray cans) does play a role in climate change by preventing the Southern Ocean from absorbing carbon dioxide.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:18 amGlobal warming debunkers are people with agendas, so they project an agenda onto the 'left' (meaning people of reason I guess). Scientists with PhD's working in the field are the only people qualified to comment on the reality of global warming. Most of the debunkers can't read a simple graph far less interpret huge logs of data.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:24 amGlobal warming debunkers are people with agendas, so they project an agenda onto the ‘left’ (meaning people of reason I guess). Scientists with PhD’s working in the field are the only people qualified to comment on the reality of global warming. Most of the debunkers can’t read a simple graph far less interpret huge logs of data.
Comment by Jack H. — August 17, 2007 @ 10:24 am
But remember - part of their agenda is casting doubt on science itself. This is where the intelligent design and stem cell research debates come from.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:55 amComment by toasterhead — August 17, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Same playbook as the tobacco-cancer link - same playbook, same people, same disgusting agenda.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:03 am1934
August 17th, 2007 at 11:59 amRoger Rabbit - how the devil are you? Still challenged I see.
I guess reading the text at the top of thread was too much for you. Still school starts soon, you can catch up with a bit of application. Quick trivia for you: what price is a barrel of oil today? Is it:
1.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pm1. less than $40
August 17th, 2007 at 12:23 pm2. Less than $60
3. less than $70
4. none of the above
Will the IPCC have to put the temperature gauges in an easy-bake oven to keep the data fraud going?
Global warming is SO debunked. You guys are a crack up.
I'm not a denier. I'm just not buying the BS being dished out by the big global warming lie machine. The "warmaholics." The first step to recover is to recognize that you have a problem!
I am not receiving a check from Exxon. Only $19 million dollars has been spent by the anti-global warming scientists.
However, $50 BILLION dollars have been spent by the pro-global warming hysterics. Is Think Progress on the payroll?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:52 pmGlobal warming is SO debunked
What is this - Wizard of OZ? Clicking your heels together and saying it three times won't make it go away. tell you what muckdog - why don't you have a crack at debunking it? Sorry no links to Junkscience.com. And I'll give you nothing from Al Gore.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:01 pmIf you really want to make a dent in your carbon footprint RIGHT AWAY, only eat a locally grown vegan diet. What? You don't know where to buy locally grown foods? OK. Untill you can work that out, stop eating meat/dairy TODAY. You can start right away.
Who's down with that?
Raise your hand.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by muckdog — August 17, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Run out of poo to fling, eh? Put your head back up your a** to look for more?
August 17th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe earth is flat, the earth is flat!!
August 17th, 2007 at 4:26 pmYeah, it was really hot, back in the 1930's.
Why is the UN Climate Panel being accused of fraud?
Could it have something to do with $50 billion dollars?
I've given tons of links. More and more scientists are fleeing from the global warming claims everyday. Most of Al Gore's talking points from the now dated movie have been debunked.
You like to say that Bush lied about Iraq. That's nothing compared to what the Global Warming hysterics are pedaling to you folks. Nothing. Bush is telling the truth compared to Gore.
August 17th, 2007 at 6:41 pmComment by wayne — August 17, 2007 @ 1:35 am
Just visit the Maryland shore. My Uncle sank a measuring stick on his dock, it is 3 cm more submerged then it was in 2000.
Comment by WaltTheMan
August 17th, 2007 at 7:30 pmit must have been high tide
I asked a serious question and will do so once again:
Who will be willing to make a MAJOR impact on their carbon footprint today by giving up meat/dairy TODAY and moving to a locally grown vegan diet whenever such a lefestyle change can be logistically worked out?
As many here may know, our eating habits make up a huge portion of our carbon footprint. This part of our lives can be changed quickly.
I'm still looking for hands.....
August 17th, 2007 at 8:51 pmI'm already a vegan Toliver. Not that humans have much to do with climate change.
August 17th, 2007 at 9:45 pmI think I agree with you muckdog; my point is that many of these people screaming about AGW are doing very little about their own carbon footprints.
August 17th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI think I agree with you muckdog; my point is that many of these people screaming about AGW are doing very little about their own carbon footprints.
Comment by Toliver — August 17, 2007
August 17th, 2007 at 11:56 pmSo what do you want us to do? Even if we did everything you want , how are we going to make china, india, and the middle east change their behavior. One other thing, i live in the SW, and we have millions of acres of forest fires burn every yr which releases tons and tons of carbon and other pollutants into the air. One problem is there are hundred if not thousands of trees per acre which is what drives these fires. Would you support the thinnning of the forest by private industry to use for wood product provided they left 'x' number of trees per acre (designated by the forest service) so that it reduces that chance of these superfires?
A friend of mine is trying to tell me that the guy behind (what he calls the hoax) of manmade global warming, is somebody named Maurice Strong. He claims that he's with the UN and is some kind of a de-populationist and eugenicist.
Is there any truth to this? Anybody know who Maurice Strong is? If so, is he a good guy or a bad guy?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSomeone do some research and look up how much CO2 was in the air when the dinos were here, 5-10 times more. We weren't there to case that were we? It doesn't matter if the world is in a warming or cooling trend, the media's gonna report the worst of it regardless. Fourty years ago they all said we were gonna freeze and now we're going to burn... I'd reccomend getting my story straight. If we reduce the carbon in the air, however, we will freeze because we need it to keep the heat in. I don't really want to see Earth become barren and lifeless like mars do you? Why don't you focus on getting the word about some plausible solutions to problems like taxes by implementing the fair tax. There is good in the world, but when's the last time you've heard about it on the news?
August 26th, 2007 at 9:35 pm