Hey “gitMORules”: Your spelling and grammar are atrocious – but you are a fine – and typical – representation of your Party! Have a turd-blossom sundae for your Friday Treat!

I, for one, am completely behind Rep. Sali, his comments, and his stance. And yes, Bob. The people of Idaho are proud.

Comment by emily — August 17, 2007 @ 2:10 am

Shut up emily, you don’t speak for all Idahoans.

This is insanity. Why wouldn’t Sali would different opinions in a legislative chamber? What is the purpose of a legislative chamber if not to give voice to different opinions.

Sali ignores history and the constitution. Ignores the fact that the Catholic/Protestant friction was driving the founding fathers.

Why doesn’t Sali go to the Taliban held regions of Afghanistan if he is so uncomfortable with democracy?

thanks so much for considering this. / text below

Dear Representatives:

I would like to call your attention to the recent statement by Representative William Sali of Idaho regarding the Founding Fathers views on freedom of religion:

“We have not only a Hindu prayer being offered in the Senate, we have a Muslim member of the House of Representatives now, Keith Ellison from Minnesota. Those are changes — and they are not what was envisioned by the Founding Fathers”.
I beseech you, our three local N.C. Congressional representatives to unite and inform Representative Salli in writing, that the views of the Founding Fathers can be found in the U.S. Constitution, and that his statement is in direct contradiction to the U.S. Constitution he has sworn to uphold, which reads:
Bill of Rights – Amendment I, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,”
Additionally Article VI, paragraph 3, clearly states: “…no religious Test shall be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
The idea that membership in a certain religion should be a requirement of eligibility to hold governmental office is completely contrary to the fundamental core American values on which our Nation was established. Please take a stand against this gross rewriting of history, don’t let us forget that America was founded on the idea of freedom of religion.
Sincerely,

why are you censoring me? my posts are tame in comparison. no profanity, threats of violence, etc. don’t you like john lennon? are you a bunch of jesus freaks?

whats up?

If you dig through the numbers you can always find something to say. If the bombings are down then you dig through all the ways people can die and find the one that is up. That is a poor handling of statistics from what I can tell.

According to icasualties.org civilian deaths have dropped dramatically as a whole in Iraq since the surge began. He says there has been a 25% increase in July over June. He is right but have a look at those numbers in context:

Jan 07 – 1802
Feb 07 – 3014
Mar 07 – 2977
Apr 07 – 1821
May 07 – 1980
June 07 – 1345
July 07 – 1690

Does that look like we have taken a step back? He said July deaths were 200% what is normally is in July. Do you know what the toll was in July 06? 1280. That means July 07 should have been over 2500 deaths to make the 200% mark.

Also, his reasoning about the increase of sniper related deaths is like saying car accident deaths are down as a whole but this new seat belt initiative isn’t working because car accident deaths by blunt trauma are up.

I just don’t buy it. Have a look at the numbers and you will see this guy is blowing smoke.

Comment by Marie — August 16, 2007 @ 10:22 am

Nothing wrong with Christians ( real ones anyway ). It’s the right wing authoritarians that are the problem and you get those in any religion at some point or another. Sorta like fungus on a month old orange. Eventually they will destroy themselves scrabbling for power and we won’t have to deal with them anymore. We just have to survive their mechanizations in the mean time.

Among the many contributions from indigenous American culture to the culture of the new United States (think corn, tobacco, etc..) is the contrubution to the principles in our Constitution. (As unpopular as our Constitution may be among modern conservatives).

So, were the Iroquois Christian? No. Is Sali a dumbshit? Clearly.

They were deists, primarily. I’m guessing in the 21st century, they would be simpatico with the so-called New Atheism. At the very least, with good old fashioned agnosticism. I think they would be horrified by the Dobson, Falwell, Robertson camp.

Comment by toasterhead — August 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

I think I should strike that. The Founders weren’t CHINOS. Which kinda implies that they were in bad faith about their faith. In general, they followed some of the social conventions of the day, and church going was one of them. But in private, in their correspondence, and especially in their work in government, they did their best to separate Church from State and build that separation into a lasting monumental wall.

Sali and others would like to tear down the wall the Founders built. I’m guessing they just don’t have a clue what the result would be if they succeeded. Though, perhaps they know exactly what they’re doing . . . .

???

Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm

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Actually, that would be Ogma or Ogmios. Not Cuchulain.

http://www.kernunnos.com/deities/ogmios/ogmios.html

Freedom of religion must prevail.