Arctic sea ice today at lowest level ever.
By on Aug 17th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
Arctic sea ice today at lowest level ever.
Today, there was “less sea ice in the Arctic on Friday than ever before on record, and the melting is continuing, the National Snow and Ice Data Center reported.” Mark Serreze, a senior researcher at the center, said that there “is very strong evidence that we are starting to see an effect of greenhouse warming.”
View Most Popular
Advertisement
What We're About
What We're Fighting For
What We're Fighting Against
Featured
Subscribe to the Progress Report
Topic CloudView topics sorted by popularity
Afghanistan
Bachmann
Beck
Boehner
Bush
Business
Cheney
Civil Rights
Congress
Corporate Ethics
Dobbs
Economy
Education
Election
Energy
Environment
Ethics
Fox News
Gingrich
Glenn Beck
Global Warming
Health Care
Immigration
International Relations
Justice
LGBT
Lieberman
Limbaugh
Media
Military
O'Reilly
Obama
Palin
Pelosi
Politics
Race
Radical Right
Religion
Steele
Stimulus
Tea Parties
Tea Party
Terrorism
Veterans
Women's Rights
Visit Our Affiliated Sites
Reports
In-depth studies on select topics
Got a hot tip?
Have a hot news tip? We'd love to hear from you. Use the form below to send us the latest.
ArchivesBlog Roll
…..there “is very strong evidence that we are starting to see an effect of greenhouse warming.â€
This is very strong language in the scientific community, meaning this is a problem NOW.
Of course, it will be dismissed by the GW deniers.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:19 pmWho was the idiot troll on the Hanson thread that said global warming is “Al Gore’s theory”? I’ve been speechless for an hour now.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:22 pmThis emission of propaganda by Serreze is nothing more than alarmism disguised as science. In reality, there is no real science behind global warming because it’s merely a sham concocted by Gore/environMENTALists/big businesses/special interest groups to increase supranational control over citizens and regulations. Global warming comes from the lunatic fringe of “science,” as it’s mainly a tool used by dishonest scientists to get more research money; celebrities to lecture everybody else; and big businesses to increase their market share in alternative sources of energy. The way libtards go crazy over global warming–we all know it’s just so they can appear as if they have a “big issue” to push, seeing as how terrorism is the GOP’s territory–proves how undereducated and ill-bred they are. Libtards should read Chris Horner’s book: the PIG to Global Warming. Lib-fuccs must check out this link to see HOW MANY scientists OPPOSE global warming BS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
August 17th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThat’s evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. I vote to convict.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:25 pmEver is pretty long time. Who was measuring the ice in say…1900.
This sounds like a GW camp meeting. ..praise the Gore!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:28 pmThis isn’t that same outfit that said 1998 was the warmest year ever and then figured out it was 1934. Damn FDR!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:30 pmWouldn’t it be great if Al Gore took on some skeptics and proved his theory?
Comment by Liberator — August 17, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
It’s not Al Gore’s theory, you f*cking moron.
Why do you want to hear anything from the experts?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:31 pmYou do not listen.
ProgslustforPelosisthighs
TP… shouldn’t those using perverted names as this be banned?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:31 pmTP… shouldn’t those using perverted names as this be banned?
Comment by had enough — August 17, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Yes.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:32 pmWho cares about scientific evidence? The rapture is coming.
Troll.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:38 pmLooks like the National Snow and Ice Center’s federal grant is up for renewal.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:40 pmNotice the childish obsession with Gore. Listen up, children: Al Gore is irrelevant to the science. Whether he says one thing or another does nothing to change the science. Saying Gore = Science demonstrates a pathological deficiency in basic thinking skills.
Doesn’t it make you trolls the least bit uncomfortable that you are standing over in a corner with imbeciles and liars, without a shred of science on your side? In effect you must completely reject science as a whole to continue your denialism.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pmThis isn’t that same outfit that said 1998 was the warmest year ever and then figured out it was 1934. Damn FDR!
Comment by Frank J — August 17, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
This one is even stupider than I realized. I suppose it is pointless to explain it to him.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pmLooks like the National Snow and Ice Center’s federal grant is up for renewal.
Comment by Frank J — August 17, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
You smear scientists without basis and without cause.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:44 pmYes, but…
Snowfall over land in the Arctic is increasing, so there is no global warming!
(snark)
August 17th, 2007 at 11:45 pmAl Gore is irrelevant
Perhaps the most accurate statement ever made by a moonbat on this thread.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:45 pmEver?
40 years out of the Earths history qualifies as “ever”?
Stop the hype and perhaps more sane people would actually give you the time of day TP.
—————
So who wants to drastically lower their carbon footprint TODAY by eating a locally grown vegan diet? Who wants to give up meats and dairy?
Anyone?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:47 pmNew Cold War Over North Pole’s Oil
August 17th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
By the way Frank J, if you pulled your head out of your a*s for just one second, you might learn that 1934 and 1998 were a statistical dead heat both before and after the minor correction. Besides, as has been pointed out again and again, temperature records isolated to the U.S. are not an appropriate measure of GLOBAL climate change.
GLOBAL, idiot, GLOBAL.
It’s hopeless battling determined liars and idiots.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:47 pmSo who wants to drastically lower their carbon footprint TODAY by eating a locally grown vegan diet? Who wants to give up meats and dairy?
Comment by Toliver — August 17, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Can’t argue the case, so make up a false choice. Straw man. Pathetic.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:49 pmWhen is Gore going to give up his private jet, limo, rock concerts and electric guzzling mansion?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:50 pmThere are more tattoos today than ever before.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 pmVerbalKint,
Why do you think these deniers are so invested in their denial?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 pm“When is Gore going to give up his private jet, limo, rock concerts and electric guzzling mansion?”
Comment by Frank J
When you quit drinking Sterno.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWhen is Gore going to give up his private jet, limo, rock concerts and electric guzzling mansion?
Comment by Frank J — August 17, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Yeah, Frank J, this really supports your false claims about global warming. Good job arguing the point. You’re a real muscular thinker there, Frank J.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:53 pmWhy do you think these deniers are so invested in their denial?
Comment by Zooey — August 17, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
I think Frank J is paid to deny global warming. Others are just locked into believing whatever the Bush administration and its proxies tell them to believe. Yet others simply reject the truth because they hate it for its liberal bias.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:54 pmWhy do you think these deniers are so invested in their denial?
Comment by Zooey
Because Daddy Rush says there is no global warming, and they never question wingnut authority.
Ever.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI’ve argued the case elsewhere in more detail than your small brain can comprehend VerbalKint.
The simple fact remains that the biggest thing that people can do TODAY to make a DRASTIC REDUCTION of their CARBON FOOTPRINT is to GIVE UP MEAT and DAIRY and then work towards a locally grown vegan diet.
Most AGW preachers would rather talk than do anything, not unlike Al GORE and his GIANT F’n CARBON FOOTPRINT.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI’ve argued the case elsewhere in more detail than your small brain can comprehend VerbalKint.
Comment by Toliver — August 17, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Think anyone here is convinced of this claim? I don’t.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:59 pmVerbalKint,
Are willing to go vegan and actually make a huge impact on your carbon footprint?
Didn’t think so.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:02 amPeople could help by reducing meat and dairy, but to claim this is the biggest thing is ludicrous. The biggest thing that could be immediately done is to stop building gas guzzlers and massively build out public transportation. Add to that a stiff carbon tax on incandescent bulbs, and on electricity usage during peak cooling season. We ridiculously over-air condition buildings throughout this country. Then put the pedal to the metal on developing alternative technologies.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:06 amAre willing to go vegan and actually make a huge impact on your carbon footprint?
My sister-in-law is a vegan and eats alot of cheese. A dairy [Cow] product. Are vegans willing to stop eating cheese?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:07 amPredictably, the scared $hitless libtards have totally cowered from even trying to rebut my post which included a link where dozens of scientists rejected global warming. Libtards dislike anything that calls them on their BS. Here’s my post again:
This emission of propaganda by Serreze is nothing more than alarmism disguised as science. In reality, there is no real science behind global warming because it’s merely a sham concocted by Gore/environMENTALists/big businesses/special interest groups to increase supranational control over citizens and regulations. Global warming comes from the lunatic fringe of “science,” as it’s mainly a tool used by dishonest scientists to get more research money; celebrities to lecture everybody else; and big businesses to increase their market share in alternative sources of energy. The way libtards go crazy over global warming–we all know it’s just so they can appear as if they have a “big issue” to push, seeing as how terrorism is the GOP’s territory–proves how undereducated and ill-bred they are. Libtards should read Chris Horner’s book: the PIG to Global Warming. Lib-fuccs must check out this link to see HOW MANY scientists OPPOSE global warming BS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
August 18th, 2007 at 12:09 amBut if we all became Vegans wouldn’t that mean more tractors and harvesting equipment and the burning of more fuel?
I think I’ll just drink more ethanol.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:09 amWhat do you do with the money from a carbon tax?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:10 amPredictably, the scared $hitless libtards have totally cowered from even trying to rebut my post which included a link where dozens of scientists rejected global warming –Idiot with a Idiot moniker
If the globe wasn’t warming we would still be in the ice age, right?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:11 amAre willing to go vegan and actually make a huge impact on your carbon footprint?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:02 am
As I’ve said, the vegan thing is just a canard. You have no support whatsoever that this is the determining step in reducing CO2. To suggest so is ludicrous.
Now listen up, a*shole. I telecommute 4 days a week. My wife and I share one high mileage automobile that we drive less than 10,000 miles per year. I ride my bike for 80% of my transportation needs. We have a small house. We cool it to 79 degrees in the summer. In the winter we thermostat all but two rooms of our house at 58 degrees. The two rooms that we heat to 68 degrees are a combined 400 square feet. We use all compact fluorescent bulbs. We buy much of our produce directly from a local farmer. Our house is meticulously weather-proofed. We built an addition on our house designed specifically for a large solar gain in winter. We don’t buy cheap plastic junk. We buy very little clothing or other vanity goods.
Want to compare carbon footprints now, a*shole?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:11 amDoes it take more fuel to raise a cow or fields of vegetables and fruits?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:12 amWhat do you do with the money from a carbon tax?
Comment by not my real name — August 18, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Build mass transportation infrastructure and invest in new low-carbon or carbon-free technologies, and in improving the efficiency of existing technologies.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:13 amWhat do you do with the money from a carbon tax?
Comment by not my real name — August 18, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Also partly offset taxes for the poor, or provide them tax credits, to blunt the impact of the carbon tax.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:13 amYou obviously don’t know much about how the quantity greenhouse gasses are released by our eating habits. This includes the land use and the gasses released by ranch animals not to mention the massive carbon footprint of the production/processing, refrigeration and transportation of most of our modern diet.
The biggest thing YOU can do to lower YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT is to go vegan. This of course assumes you aren’t living in a mansion and flying private jets like Al Gore.
Until you are willing to do something signifigant regarding your footprint, don’t preach to me about mine.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:15 am#41 More to raise a cow. I don’t eat cow meat. I eat chicken, pork, and lamb, all of which are lower impact than beef.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:15 amWho cares about scientific evidence? The rapture is coming.
Troll.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 17, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
It’s going to be HOT when the rapture righties end up where they really belong. They must love global warming because it’s getting them ready for the hereafter.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:16 am#35 Ooooh, dozens of scientists…I’m so impressed. First, I’ll put up my thousands of scientists against your dozens. Then I will note that most of your dozens either aren’t real scientists, or have no direct expertise, or (in most cases) are paid representatives of the fossil fuel industry, or are just plain wacko.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:17 amUntil you are willing to do something signifigant regarding your footprint, don’t preach to me about mine.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Who pays you to post this stuff, troll?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:18 amSorry, you are not eating a locally grown vegan diet. What you eat has a larger impact than you think. Think about it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:18 am“Then I will note that most of your dozens either aren’t real scientists, or have no direct expertise, or (in most cases) are paid representatives of the fossil fuel industry, or are just plain wacko.”
Comment by VerbalKint
And some have backed away from their previous statements.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:19 amWhy do you think these deniers are so invested in their denial?
Comment by Zooey
Because Daddy Rush says there is no global warming, and they never question wingnut authority.
Ever.
Comment by barfly — August 17, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
These idiots think the jury is still out on evolution. They probably think fossils are a liberal conspiracy. They’re either paid deniers or too effing stupid to ever figure it out.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:20 amNow listen up, a*shole.
Want to compare carbon footprints now, a*shole
Can’t argue the case, so make up a false choice. Straw man. Pathetic.
the way Frank J, if you pulled your head out of your a*s for just one second
Doesn’t it make you trolls the least bit uncomfortable that you are standing over in a corner with imbeciles and liars,
Comment by VerbalKint
is this progressive speech?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:21 amUntil you are willing to do something signifigant regarding your footprint, don’t preach to me about mine.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Looks like you’re doing an awful lot of preaching yourself.
Are you a vegan?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:21 amVegan or nothing. False dichotomies and straw men are the only arguments the liars, shills, propagandists, and downright stupid deniers can peddle. The deficiency in basic logic speaks for itself.
By the way, imbecile, thanks for showing everyone how pathetically weak your arguments are with every post.
By the way, how does it feel to have the entire global scientific community contradict everything you say? Probably not too good, huh?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:21 amPredictably lame.
So who else wants to make up excuses not to drastically lower their CFs and yet still preach AGW?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:22 amThanks, barfly & VerbalKint. :)
August 18th, 2007 at 12:22 amAnyone read the book a Brave New World?
#41 More to raise a cow. I don’t eat cow meat. I eat chicken, pork, and lamb, all of which are lower impact than beef.
I usually just eat once a day.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:22 amAnd some have backed away from their previous statements.
Comment by barfly — August 18, 2007 @ 12:19 am
This is actually a very good point. Some of the leading deniers worshipped by the trolls actually do not even deny AGW. Richard Lindzen does not deny AGW. He claims that a “lens iris” effect in the clouds will mitigate the effect. No one else in the community believes Lindzen’s lens iris theory has any merit. But Lindzen does not deny AGW.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:24 amSo who else wants to make up excuses not to drastically lower their CFs and yet still preach AGW?
Comment by Toliver
If I cut back any further I’d be a bum out on the street!
August 18th, 2007 at 12:24 amDoes it take more fuel to raise a cow or fields of vegetables and fruits?
Comment by Dick E. Chain — August 18, 2007 @ 12:12 am
It takes more fuel to import food from China that is more easily grown here. Why would we need to import wheat products from China?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:25 amis this progressive speech?
Comment by camie — August 18, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Lame rhetorical trick. How about if we cut and paste troll-speak and see what that hateful, ignorant spew looks like?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:27 amBy the way, imbecile, thanks for showing everyone how pathetically weak your arguments are with every post.
By the way, how does it feel to have the entire global scientific community contradict everything you say? Probably not too good, huh?
Comment by VerbalKint —
the entire community? have you looked at the other side? even if the earth is warming 0.1 degrees every 10 yrs, so what? maybe in a few yrs people will be able to grow coffee beans in seatlle instead of shipping them from all over the world hehehe, i like that one :o)
August 18th, 2007 at 12:27 amhttp://www.huxley.net/bnw/index.html
Free online book.
Brave New World
Are people willing to give up leather? And if we give up cows wouldn’t that increase our dependence on plastics? [oil]
August 18th, 2007 at 12:28 amis this progressive speech?
Comment by camie — August 18, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Progressive does NOT equal submissive.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:28 amI’m really surprised that the deniers are this juiced up when they have been so badly beaten by the scientific evidence. Must be desperately struggling to retain their twisted sense of reality down there in the rabbit hole.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:28 amYou doing something signifigant to lower your carbon footprint is not a straw man or false choice. Going vegan is the biggest thing most people [those that don't live like Al Gore] can do to lower their CF. THAT IS A FACT.
I haven’t even touched on the AGW science on this thread btw [it would take hours]. What I’m talking about now are preachers actually doing something TODAY about something they think is so important. If it’s not important enough for you to change your eating habits, you might want to simmer down on the subject.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:29 amWho pays you to post this stuff, troll?
Predictably lame.
So who else wants to make up excuses not to drastically lower their CFs and yet still preach AGW?
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Why don’t you answer the question? Predictably not answering who pays you?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:29 amthe entire community? have you looked at the other side?
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:27 am
What other side? The wackos? The corrupt? The unqualified? That is all that remains of “the other side.”
Wow, I must be rockin’, because new trolls keep showing up to take me on. Good luck with that.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:30 amLame rhetorical trick. How about if we cut and paste troll-speak and see what that hateful, ignorant spew looks like?
Comment by VerbalKint — August 18, 2007
why cant you be the bigger person and just let it go, this name calling is nothing more then a bully like attempt to shut up anyone that disagrees with you, but being the idiot,troll like, ignorant spew with an iq of 133 I guess i am not welcome on here. wasnt an aspect of Fascism to shut up those people who disagreed w you?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:32 amIf being another AGW hypocrite is “rock’n” then you’re Elvis VerbalKint.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:32 amNewsweek took rather a different line in 1975. Then, the magazine reported that scientists were “almost unanimous” in believing that the looming Big Chill would mean a decline in food production, with some warning that “the resulting famines could be catastrophic.” Moreover, it said, “the evidence in support of these predictions” — everything from shrinking growing seasons to increased North American snow cover — had “begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it.”
August 18th, 2007 at 12:33 amComment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:29 am
I have lowered my CF, and will be lowering it further.
Are you a vegan?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:33 amThe notion that going vegan is the ONLY solution is really bizarre and lame. Transportation of people and goods, home heating and cooling, lighting, and industrial manufacturing all have nothing to do with it? Uh huh. Nobody’s buying it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:33 amSo, is this the what this website is all about? Is there any Liberals on here who can ‘talk’ we me without ‘pre judging’ me?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:34 amNewsweak lied then, it lies now. What’s your point? That because newsweek got it wrong in 1975, Global Climate Change cant be happening? Rightards are so…stupid.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:35 amwhy cant you be the bigger person and just let it go,
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Because I don’t suffer liars and fools when the stakes are this high. I particularly don’t back away from cheap rhetorical tricks like the false dichotomy, the straw man, or just plain misrepresenting, ignoring, or denying what I say while pretending to debate.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:35 amNewsweek took rather a different line in 1975. Then, the magazine reported that scientists were “almost unanimous†in believing that the looming Big Chill would mean a decline in food production,
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:33 am
This is a flat out lie, Frank J. This was a flash in the pan theory prematurely hyped by the corporate media that never gained traction in the broad scientific community and was quickly laid to rest.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:37 amIf it’s not important enough for you to change your eating habits, you might want to simmer down on the subject.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:29 am
We’ve all made changes. Hybrid cars, locally grown food, energy efficient bulb and appliances, all kinds of changes. Al Gore’s “bill” is high because he purchases ONLY renewable energy. And he has installed solar panels and all other energy saving features to his property which also serves as two offices to him and Tipper. You are making stupid, sweeping generalizations based on the right wing’s propaganda that this is a liberal conspiracy.
You people think it is better to do nothing if you’re not going to change everything. It’s how your leaders scare you into submission.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:38 amVerbalKint,
Changing light bulbs and driving a smaller car are thing you can do to make a minor impact to your personal CF. Going vegan/local will have a major impact.
Don’t take it from me, Google up the greenhouse gasses our modern diet produces.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:38 amFrankly I don’t see how becoming a vegan is the best way to reduce a CF due to the equipment that burns fuel, from the field to the market. Things must be refrigerated and packed processed and stored.
I agree Rob, I am tired of the name calling.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:39 am“The greatest dangers to liberty,” Justice Louis Brandeis wrote, “lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”
Global warming enthusiasts are “men of zeal”, to be sure. And clearly “without understanding”.
But “well-meaning”? I’m not so sure…
There are the power-trippers, the crooks and the dupes. Which, do you suppose, is Algore…???
August 18th, 2007 at 12:39 amwhy cant you be the bigger person and just let it go, this name calling is nothing more then a bully like attempt to shut up anyone that disagrees with you,
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:32 am
No, rob, this is an attempt by you to fool me into backing down under the false pretense that there is a reasonable debate to be had here. There isn’t. There are people here deliberately debating in bad faith. It isn’t a matter of disagreeing with me. It is am matter of people like Frank J and Toliver repeatedly making statements they know to be lies.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:40 amGoing vegan/local will have a major impact.
Yes but we still have to create jobs. Many jobs created today are in the service industry. IE Restaurants etc. The state of Texas, where I am, is expected to double its population by 2050.
Its a catch 22.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:41 amCalling someone a liar for lying isn’t “name” calling. It is speaking the truth.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:41 amBecause I don’t suffer liars and fools when the stakes are this high. I particularly don’t back away from cheap rhetorical tricks like the false dichotomy, the straw man, or just plain misrepresenting, ignoring, or denying what I say while pretending to debate.
Comment by VerbalKint
You will never change anyones mind when you speak to them like that, didnt you take debate in college? peoples mind wont open up when you are constantly offending them, but maybe you enjoy that. Not what I call progressive.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:41 amThis must be verbaklint’s idea of winning a debate. Why was Newsweek wrong in 1975 when the consensus was cooling but now that they are going for the gospel of global warming the consensus is correct despite there being no facts to support it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:33 am
And they once said the Earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it. Do you have a point other than you are wed to your own ignorance.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:43 amThere are the power-trippers, the crooks and the dupes. Which, do you suppose, is Algore…???
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:39 am
well, since you’re describing the oilmen and corporatists to a “t”, Al Gore isn’t included in the bunch. George Bush and Dick Cheney, meanwhile, fit perfectly. they are true glaobal warming enthusiasts, doing all they can to pollute, destroy what few controls there are on coal-burning plants and CAFE standards, and so on, down the line. Little Bushie-boy running around to his various vacations spots (anywhere he lands, as it turns out) destroys more ozone and pollutes more than 50 Al Gores could, so, once again, you’re wrong. DING! Johnny, get him the F*ck out of here.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:44 amshane,
Al Gore CF is effing HUGE. It’s approx 20X that of mine at least.
He needs to change his lifestyle before lecturing others.
And his Bill isn’t that high because of the reasons you’ve said. The HUGE house [and heated pool?] has something to do with it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:44 amThe general strategy being employed by Toliver is to suggest that the only way to reduce CO2 output is to undertake great sacrifice. To make it resonate on a personal level, Toliver has chosen to claim that people must make a radical change to their diet, a sacrifice that hits close to home. It is a false choice, of course, but Toliver is trying to fool people into believing that making changes is too difficult and too personal. It is a strategy of draining hope for change. It is ultimately a stalling strategy. That is precisely the grand strategy employed in a multitude of forms by the fossil fuel industry and its supporters.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:45 amAl Gore CF is effing HUGE. It’s approx 20X that of mine at least.
Its not Just Al Gores Toliver. Look at the Oil Barons homes, the homes of Hollywood folks, the mansions of the wealthy don’t start and stop with Gore.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:47 amCalling someone a liar for lying isn’t “name†calling. It is speaking the truth.
Comment by VerbalKint
Lies to you might be the truth to us. We conservative are leary of news reports etc… Why, because 9 of 10 news reporters donate money to Liberal politicians, so anything they write we are suspicious of. Dan Rather admitted he made a mistake, the bbc had to admit they made mistakes, there are doctored photographs of the lebanese/iraeli war which someone proved the smoke was added to a photograph and that one guy posed as a dead civilian in 2 different settings. We as conservatives dont buy a lot of what news show say because of the leanings of most of the newscasters (do I need to start naming them)
August 18th, 2007 at 12:48 amHow far is it from “consensus” to “popular opinion” and how far from there to simply “fad” ???
August 18th, 2007 at 12:48 amComment by VerbalKint
You will never change anyones mind when you speak to them like that, didnt you take debate in college? peoples mind wont open up when you are constantly offending them, but maybe you enjoy that. Not what I call progressive.
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Please rob, you jump all over VerbalKint but ignore the more aggressive namecalling by Frank J. I would think if you found namecalling so offensive you would find it offensive from both sides. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:48 amComment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:44 am
Since I have asked you at least three times, and you have ignored my question, I will assume you are not a vegan.
Stop lecturing us, hypocrite.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:48 amBecause it will take great sacrifice to do anything meaningfull. Wearing ribbons and preaching at dinner parties makes people feel good, but does little.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:49 amYou will never change anyones mind when you speak to them like that, didnt you take debate in college? peoples mind wont open up when you are constantly offending them, but maybe you enjoy that. Not what I call progressive.
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:41 am
Frankly, rob, who cares what you call progressive? Do you seriously think I am trying to change their minds? I’m not. I’m calling them on the carpet for their deliberate dishonesty. Anyone who isn’t already convinced by the vast body of evidence and virtually unanimous scientific consensus probably isn’t going to be convinced by me anyway. A public shaming is in order for their ill conduct. If you really want to be convinced, read the IPCC reports or visit realclimate.org.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:49 amVerbalKint doesn’t need me to defend him, but since he actually is a scientist, I’ll give his arguments more weight.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:49 amthe sad part of all of this is when the Islamisc extremist take over pakistan and Iran gets the bomb, once they start detonting the bombs, this carbon footprint stuff is mute
August 18th, 2007 at 12:50 amNot what I call progressive.
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:41 am
the problem is, rob (great name for a rightie), that regressives never learn, and in fact resist learning and truth, unlike progressives. that why progressives progress, and conservatives don’t. is that too hard for you? I hope not, because it’s dumbed pretty far down. note the lies and regurgitation of lies by Frank J and sybil. this is the rightwing mindset, so to speak. lie, and then lie to support the lies. Tony Snow was hired for his ability to do this, as he proved every day on FOX, and has brought in spades to the White House press room, to his everlasting shame. Dick Cheney has been caught in lie after lie after lie, on television, with videotape, and still lies about the lies. People of your persuasion can’t be trusted. it may be a broad brush, but you’re stuck proving your points with facts, because you are associated with pathological, practiced, proud liars. good luck with that.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:50 amWhat is required to stop this 1.8 degree increase over the next 100 years!
August 18th, 2007 at 12:50 amThis must be verbaklint’s idea of winning a debate. Why was Newsweek wrong in 1975 when the consensus was cooling but now that they are going for the gospel of global warming the consensus is correct despite there being no facts to support it.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:43 am
More pathological dishonesty, Frank J, and it is on display right here in this thread. There was no consensus on global cooling. I already said that. You chose to ignore it. You have a Newsweek article. I have the IPCC reports. No comparison.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:51 amI’m not a AGW preacher you see. Look up the definition of hypocrite zooey.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:51 amHurricane Dean has sustained wind of 145 mph and gusts to 180 now. Dean is on the way to becoming cat-5 storm of 155+ mph. Dean is tracking towards Jamaica and should pass near or over it on Sunday. Then it tracks into the Gulf and could hit Texas or Louisiana on Wednesday of next week. Bush is on vacation, so could be another Katrina horror show ahead.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:51 amWingnuts are too stupid to realize you can’t sh*t in your nest and not have problems. If they don’t “get” what it means to be losing arctic ice so swiftly, they don’t have the intellectual capacity to comprehend reality and aren’t able to understand the facts. They believe that people cohabitated with dinosaurs for pete’s sake.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:52 amFortunately a vast majority of people are listening to the legion of the world’s MOST RESPECTED scientists sound the alarm for change. It might be too late already, but we owe it to our children and their children and Mother Earth to try our best to improve it, when you know better, you do better. We now KNOW that we have a duty to reduce our personal “carbon footprint”
Every human on earth has that duty, even the dumb ones.
We as conservatives dont buy a lot of what news show say because of the leanings of most of the newscasters (do I need to start naming them)
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:48 am
Well, I’m gald you’re wising up to the nonsense Fox News is putting out endlessly!
August 18th, 2007 at 12:52 amAnd his Bill isn’t that high because of the reasons you’ve said. The HUGE house [and heated pool?] has something to do with it.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:44 am
Provide a nonbiased link because I believe you are misinterpreting some of the data.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:52 amAnd Toliver continues to blather on about Al Gore. Irrelevant.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:52 amWhat is required to stop this 1.8 degree increase over the next 100 years!
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:50 am
shooting you into the sun would be a step in the right direction.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:53 amAnd TPers are sad. Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007
Actually, Mr P, you make many more posts on TP than I do.
Sad.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:53 amWe as conservatives dont buy a lot of what news show say because of the leanings of most of the newscasters (do I need to start naming them)
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:48 am
Funny, I’m not telling you to buy what the news shows say, now am I? I am telling you to acknowledge what the science says. Big difference.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:54 amBecause it will take great sacrifice to do anything meaningfull. Wearing ribbons and preaching at dinner parties makes people feel good, but does little.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:49 am
So your answer is to do nothing. Good plan. Some of us have children though and will err on the side of caution.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:55 amAnd his Bill isn’t that high because of the reasons you’ve said. The HUGE house [and heated pool?] has something to do with it.
Comment by Toliver
How much fuel does Air Force one burn?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:55 am104 I do believe Zooey is a winner! this turkey isn’t a vegan, because global warming isn’t his concern. he’s just a global warming chickenhawk! wingnuts sure are strange.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:56 amthe sad part of all of this is when the Islamisc extremist take over pakistan and Iran gets the bomb, once they start detonting the bombs, this carbon footprint stuff is mute
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 12:50 am
And until then, it is neither mute nor moot.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:57 amWhat is required to stop this 1.8 degree increase over the next 100 years! Comment by Frank J
We could duct tape your pie hole shut 8^X
August 18th, 2007 at 12:57 amStop lecturing us, hypocrite.
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2007 @ 12:48 am
I suppose you will be condemned for name calling now.
If the shoe fits, trolls, wear it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:58 amshooting you into the sun would be a step in the right direction.
Comment by ronjazz — August 18, 2007 @ 12:53 am
And what has the Sun done wrong to you?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:58 amPhotos of his mansion are availble online. I believe them to be nonbiased.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:58 amI am a conservative. Global warming itself does exist, the real question is the degree to which humans are impacting it. My philosophy is that regardless of global warming and its level of existence, energy conservation and cleaning up the environment should be top priorities.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:00 amgoing for the gospel of global warming the consensus is correct despite there being no facts to support it.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 12:43 am
This comment really proves that Frank J is a pathological liar. NO facts to prove it? Never mind the vast body of evidence presented in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. Frank J could have said something like “inconclusive” perhaps. But NO evidence? Seriously now, Frank, I think you just blew a fuse with that one.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:00 amPeople of your persuasion can’t be trusted.
Do you actually believe all the politicians on the left are squeeky clean? Please, I will agree the many on both sides stretch the truth or leave truths out to attain their agenda, but to say people on the right cant be trusted is Naive. I for one have never had a speeding ticket , parking ticket, never worte a bad check, never missed a payment on anything. I live my life according to a personal philosophy of personal responsibilty and always will. If we preached more about personal responsibility, we would have less problems in this world. That is why I prefer a politician or anyone to come right out and say ‘I screwed up and accept the punishment coming to me’ the problem is very few of them do. Please dont tell me this is a right wing issue, both parties are just as guilty
August 18th, 2007 at 1:00 amthe sad part of all of this is when the Islamisc extremist take over pakistan and Iran gets the bomb, once they start detonting the bombs, this carbon footprint stuff is mute
Ahh nuklyar winter. Well at least they will nuke each other.
But isn’t this what has been prophecied? Funny that many of the Republicans want the Apocalypse to come about but also don’t want the Islamics to have nukes.
Karazzzzyyyyyy man!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:01 amI’m not a AGW preacher you see. Look up the definition of hypocrite zooey.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:51 am
You’re the only one preaching here, and yet you hold yourself to a different standard.
You are a hypocrite.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:07 amToliver why are you so concerned about Al Gores mansion and not any others?
Energy conservation and cleaning up the environment should be top priorities. Comment by Michael Savage, PhD
But what has George done about that?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/CaughtonFilm.html
“I said when I was running for President, I supported ethanol..” Bush at South Dakota Ethanol Plant 4/24/02
According to the AP, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to eliminate funding for the bioenergy program that funds the Dakota Ethanol Plant he visited. [4/22/02]
August 18th, 2007 at 1:07 amBut isn’t this what has been prophecied? Funny that many of the Republicans want the Apocalypse to come about but also don’t want the Islamics to have nukes
gotta be honest with ya , who has said this? give me some names because I have never heard this
August 18th, 2007 at 1:08 amI suppose you will be condemned for name calling now.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 18, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Oh no!! How will I live with myself. :|
August 18th, 2007 at 1:08 amGood.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:09 amGlobal warming chickenhawk?
An AGW “chickenhawk” in this context would be a person that thinks AGW is a HUGE problem, but does little to lower his or her personal carbon footprint. [This would be the majority of AGW preachers/believers.] In other words, an AGW “chickenhawk” would be an AGW hypocrite.
I don’t think AGW is a huge problem when put into context, therefore I can have a leg of lamb w/out being a hypocrite.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:09 amgotta be honest with ya , who has said this? give me some names because I have never heard this
Comment by rob
Okay…
Which is all the more disturbing when one considers that apocalypse preachers such as Hagee have a rather ambivalent relationship to America’s welfare. …
August 18th, 2007 at 1:10 amhttp://www.newstatesman.com/200707190043
Hagee is a pro-war Bush supporter.
Energy conservation with cheap, readily available technologies is our number one priority. There is nothing to stop us from aggressively conserving energy starting now. We could easily achieve 30-50% reduction without hurting the economy with the right carrot-and-stick approach to conservation. The next step is to aggressively fund research into all plausible forms of energy alternatives that reduce or eliminate CO2 production.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:11 amHagee is the Global Warming Scientist of the Christian faith. Wrong so often..and loud.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:11 amI can have a leg of lamb w/out being a hypocrite.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:09 am
That must be a wonderful feeling.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:12 amComment by Liberator — August 18, 2007
Sad.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:12 amso where is the love here? I remember those old COKE commercials where everyone was holding hands and singing about perfect harmony. make love, not war. oh well, its time for bed . later
August 18th, 2007 at 1:12 amHey folks, I have a novel idea. Why don’t we ignore the stupid troll that has been frequenting the threads tonight saying nonsensical things and throwing sh1t on the wall? Trying to talk to him does no good.
I have a suggestion to everyone here. The next time you have a conversation with someone who is a global warming doubter, ask them if they are willing to bet the lives of their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren that they are right. Because that is what they are doing.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:13 amHagee is the Global Warming Scientist of the Christian faith. Wrong so often..and loud.
Comment by Frank J
Im a Christian, but this guys something else.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:13 amSo if we cut back our energy consumption by 50% will it solve the problem or just end the richest nation in human history?
Would a free market not be more able to produce energy alternatives than the failed liberal welfare state?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:14 amGreat another we are all going to die moonbat.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:15 amWould a free market not be more able to produce energy alternatives than the failed liberal welfare state?
Comment by Frank J
What do you call the recent market bailout by the Feds?
I call it investor Welfare. Free Market my *ss
August 18th, 2007 at 1:15 amPhotos of his mansion are availble online. I believe them to be nonbiased.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 12:58 am
What part of renewable energy, two offices, solar panels, energy efficiency was confusing for you. Nobody is proposing that people can’t live in the houses they choose to or need to change their lifestyles completely. Are you saying that people should all live in studio apartments or shut up about global warming. That’s your answer, until we are all vegans living in one room it’s all just a vast liberal conspiracy. What strateegery! I borrowed that from your leader.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:15 amWould a free market not be more able to produce energy alternatives than the failed liberal welfare state?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Well, seeing as we really don’t have a “free market”, perhaps we could ask, what’s a better alternative than our current disastrous, failing Repub corporate state?
Sink – v. To sink. Sink, sinking, sank, sunk, sunken.
Glub… glub… glub…
August 18th, 2007 at 1:17 amI’d tell you that a couple degrees temp change isn’t going to kill my kids. I would then ask for your car keys.
If you honestly believe your grandkids will die becuase of AGW, you really ought to eat a local vegan diet and convince others to do the same.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:18 amI’d rather have a steak.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:21 amChina has brought millions of people out of poverty, because of cheap labor and goods by American coporations. Meanwhile more Americans are being put into poverty.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:21 amThe “free market” might work if the mass of people realized the danger of Global Warming, and were willing to make “market” choices based on that realization.
But when many people choose to deny the evidence, we are in a dangerous situation.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:22 amBut if the local Starbucks closed to help cool the planet that would be okay.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:22 amWhat is a bigger threat to the future of humanity? Global Warming or Islamo Fascism?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amI’d rather have a steak.
Comment by Frank J
Im gonna ingest more ethanol.
Weeehhhoooooo!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amIf you honestly believe your grandkids will die becuase of AGW, you really ought to eat a local vegan diet and convince others to do the same.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:18 am
So you did all that blabbing to end up right where you started. You are an incredible waste of time.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amIt will be fun for all of us to meet up here again thirty or forty years from now.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amSo if we cut back our energy consumption by 50% will it solve the problem or just end the richest nation in human history?
Would a free market not be more able to produce energy alternatives than the failed liberal welfare state?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:14 am
You idiots, cutting back consumption is only a band-aid, the answer is getting ourselves off coal and oil. We wouldn’t have to worry about switching to florescent lights if the energy companies had been investing in solar and wind over the last 20 years. But doing so is what we can do now.
I think building the infrastructure, and maintaining solar, wind, and even nuclear energy should be run by the govt. Take the price gouging we see going on at the pump now out of my basic energy needs. Those forms of energy are basically free, renewable, and don’t take huge resources to maintain. Much like oil, and coal need to be constantly taken from the ground, shipped and then burnt.
You may not know this, but the second largest corporation in the USA is controlled by the govt. It even makes a profit.
You’ve been brainwashed to think govt is bad. (By your GOP govt, and corporate controlled GOP media).
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 amChina has brought millions of people out of poverty,
Not only funny but stunningly stupid.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:24 amWhat is a bigger threat to the future of humanity? Global Warming or Islamo Fascism?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:23 am
The funny thing is, that’s probably a serious question.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:24 amIf we preached more about personal responsibility, we would have less problems in this world. That is why I prefer a politician or anyone to come right out and say ‘I screwed up and accept the punishment coming to me’ the problem is very few of them do. Please dont tell me this is a right wing issue, both parties are just as guilty
Comment by rob — August 18, 2007 @ 1:00 am
see, you can preach all you want, but nobody will listen to proven liars and ignorant religious fanatics. I pointed out that this may be a broad brush, and it may not apply to you, but actions count, words are air. And you have allied yourself with mass-murderers and traitors. the left has always done a better job of policing their own that the right, and most especially in the last 50 years. don’t give me your black & white simplistic crap, I can actually think. the right can’t be trusted, but always is by its base. Politicians on the left can’t be trusted, and aren’t; we believe fully in the Constitution and the system of checks and balances. You’ll find nobody here defending criminals like the right does; if a Dem is found to be breaking the law, nobody here calls him a hero and expects him pardoned treated lightly. This is not the case with the rightards who visit her to fling their lies about like so much crap. Rightists hate government, and do their best to destroy it, which is why we’re in such serious trouble today. leftists dislike governemnt, but sanely agree that it is the price for civilization, and that government can be good, if run by the good for the people. History proves us correct in that assumption. the reason the Republicans wen tafter Clinton with all they had, $70 million and impeachment, is because he showed that government could work quite well when worked at. And he’s far, far more popular than Bush will ever be again.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:25 amBut what has George done about that?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/CaughtonFilm.html
“I said when I was running for President, I supported ethanol..†Bush at South Dakota Ethanol Plant 4/24/0
Comment by Dick E. Chain — August 18, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Not all conservatives support this president, including the real Savage.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:25 amW screwed up many things, but I’m not sure if ethanol is the answer to the energy problem. I’d say in 50 years the fuel cell/solar/etc ect technology will be booming.
If one buys in to your projections, it will take a signifigant change in lifestyle to turn those projections around. You can’t have your cake [eat meat & dairy//live in a mansion with a heated pool] and eat it too [undo AGW "armageddon"]
China has surpassed us in the carbon arena btw. That happened about two months ago. Are they [and India and the rest of the developing nations] going to stop industrializing?
The truth is we’re going to have to do what we’ve always done, and that’s adapt.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:25 amWill Ted Kennedy allow windmills at Martha’s Vineyard?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:26 amWill Frank J. say something intelligent?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:27 amI don’t think AGW is a huge problem when put into context, therefore I can have a leg of lamb w/out being a hypocrite.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:09 am
It’s amazing how you morons can excuse yourself from any responsibility whatsoever. Tell it to your grandkids, chump.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:27 amIt will be fun for all of us to meet up here again thirty or forty years from now.
Comment by Egreggious — August 18, 2007 @ 1:23 am
Well it’s obvious you’re much younger than I am. Thirty or forty years, yeesh.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:28 amSo you did all that blabbing to end up right where you started. You are an incredible waste of time.
Comment by shane
========
You won’t make any major changes in your carbon footprint even though you believe your children are at risk.
So who wants to become a local food/vegan?
Not one of you. That’s all I need to know for this evening.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:30 amI’d say in 50 years the fuel cell/solar/etc ect technology will be booming.
I’m leaning more towards Thorium reactors for power generation and aluminium fuel cells for vehicles. There is also some new cellulose carbon nanotube technology [paper batteries]
August 18th, 2007 at 1:30 amChina has brought millions of people out of poverty,
Not only funny but stunningly stupid.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:24 am
too bad that it’s true, you idiot. we know that if the USA in’t #1 in all things that you will cry and stamp your feet, so you’d better get to it. china is pujlling millions of its people out of poverty every year, millions. look it up, lazy fool.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:31 amNot one of you. That’s all I need to know for this evening.
Comment by Toliver
Hey I enjoy a leg of lamb with feeling like a hypocrite!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:31 amNot only funny but stunningly stupid.
Comment by Frank J
Eh? You better look around cause its true.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:32 amI would say in fifty years after the brutal struggle against Islamo Fascism has been won we will look back on this period and wonder how so many fools could have been more worried about light bulbs.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:32 amWill Ted Kennedy allow windmills at Martha’s Vineyard?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:26 am
With all the open territory in this country do you really think the windmills have to be located in heavily populated Martha’s Vineyard? Only if you’re trying to make Ted Kennedy look bad. Sure it’s no windmills at Martha’s Vineyard and Al Gore’s big house that are the problem.
Every body has a right to be stupid but you people abuse the privilege.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:32 am#174 Actually it is a damn lie.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:33 amWould a free market not be more able to produce energy alternatives than the failed liberal welfare state?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:14 am
First, this is a false choice. Second, free market mechanisms can and should be used to promote both conservation and development of new technologies. Third, I think you reveal your true agenda, and it has nothing to do with whether you believe in global warming or not. It is that you believe your free market ideology is the solution to all problems. But you don’t trust the public to come to this same conclusion by a democratic process. Since you are an elitist, you prefer to stall action by peddling misinformation, hoping to buy enough time for the free market to work its magic. Not only is this anti-democratic elitist thinking repugnant, it is also a fool’s hope.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:35 amHow many people are immigrating to Red China?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:35 amIt’s amazing how you morons can excuse yourself from any responsibility whatsoever. Tell it to your grandkids, chump.
Comment by Zooey
=============
Local food only zooey. Local vacations. Minimal AC and heat.
Walk….. . oh wait….
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2195538.ece
August 18th, 2007 at 1:35 amI would say in fifty years after the brutal struggle against Islamo Fascism has been won we will look back on this period and wonder
The middle east has become the war by proxy zone for the major powers that be [China. Russia, America] Israel needs oil since it was cut off way back when…
August 18th, 2007 at 1:36 amYou won’t make any major changes in your carbon footprint even though you believe your children are at risk.
So who wants to become a local food/vegan?
Not one of you. That’s all I need to know for this evening.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:30 am
I told you I’ve made major changes and you don’t listen. That’s why you ended up right where you started. You are unwilling to make any changes, might cost you a buck, and then you think everybody is like you. Just keep doing what you’re doing, nobody expects anything from your type. But if you expect a pat on the back you better run off to some rightwing site because we think you’re a fool.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:36 amI would say in fifty years after the brutal struggle against Islamo Fascism has been won we will look back on this period and wonder how so many fools could have been more worried about light bulbs.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:32 am
who’s going to win it? not you, coward. not Bush the incompetent. the next leftie president will win it, by putting a stop to stealing their oil and killing their children. then they will just go away. that’s all it will take. and it had better happen, because otherwise, they will win. they are fully aware that the right wing in america hasnt the balls or patriotism to fight them, so they’ll come after you where you live. and you’ll be sorry for your cowardice and stupidity in supporting a deserter and a serial liar as your leaders.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:37 amHow many people are immigrating to Red China?
Comment by Frank J
How many are immigrating to mexico?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:38 amI would say in fifty years after the brutal struggle against Islamo Fascism has been won we will look back on this period and wonder how so many fools could have been more worried about light bulbs.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:32 am
More of us are frightened by the fascism you and your ilk are so fond of, our global warming concerns come after that.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:39 amHow many people are immigrating to Red China?
Comment by Frank J
how many?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:40 amAs I recall Frank this was a freedom operation to promote democracy in the middle east and not a religious war on muslims.
The idea was to bring Iraq into the fold, to help it become a functioning country, purple fingers and all that, that would sell its cheap high quality oil [1$ a barrel] and rebuild its infrastructure
August 18th, 2007 at 1:41 amI’m leaning more towards Thorium reactors for power generation and aluminium fuel cells for vehicles. There is also some new cellulose carbon nanotube technology [paper batteries]
Comment by Dick E. Chain — August 18, 2007 @ 1:30 am
I just remembered the genetically engineered energy generating micro-organisms too. I think that this issue is something both parties could agree on, because it would create new sectors of the economy and at the same time should be able to reduce dependence on oil from the mideast.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:41 amI believe that the agenda of the global warming crowd is to force people to live the way they the global warming promoters would never want to live themselves.
Again, if there is an electric car that is built that will travel 400 miles before it needs a charge, can go 100 to 120 mph and have air conditioning it will be built by a free market entrepreneur not by the Department of Energy which has never produced one watt of electricity in its entire history.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:42 amNone.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:42 amThe Republicans waffle between a war on Al qaeda and the caliphate and Democracy and Security for the oppressed people in Iraq.
Which one is it?
Alberto Gonzalez went to help Iraq with their Judicial system. I guess he must be a liberal.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:45 amI just remembered the genetically engineered energy generating micro-organisms too. I think that this issue is something both parties could agree on, because it would create new sectors of the economy and at the same time should be able to reduce dependence on oil from the mideast.
Comment by Michael Savage, PhD
——————–
I agree.
——————-
Shane, I must have missed what you’ve done to lower your carbon footprint. Would you cut & paste it for me. [I'm actually not being a smartass here.]
August 18th, 2007 at 1:46 amComment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:35 am
You just ASSume that everyone has done as little as you, don’t you?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:47 amAgain, if there is an electric car that is built that will travel 400 miles before it needs a charge, can go 100 to 120 mph and have air conditioning it will be built by a free market entrepreneur not by the Department of Energy which has never produced one watt of electricity in its entire history.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:42 am
100 to 120 MPH? Who cares, you cannot drive this fast any way. And none of us here want govt built cars, we want (or I do) govt built renewable/clean energy power plants.
And here’s just one example of a watt generated by the govt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam
August 18th, 2007 at 1:48 amNone.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:42 am
wrong. as usual. And the Department of Energy was never tasked with producing electricity. keep setting those straw men up, they tumble so easily. the sure bet is that the government would have that electric car up and running in no time flat if it weren’t for the greed of the oilmen and the pigs in Detroit, selling crap for 50 years to ignorant fools like you. 1974’s gas crisis didnt get us that 400 mile-to-a-charge car, did it, frank? no, becasue the government believed the corporations would do the right thing. but they never do. so all of your arguments are so much methane, frank, farts in the wind. you haven’t an honest bone in your pathetic, cowardly body.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:49 amDepartment of Energy which has never produced one watt of electricity in its entire history. Comment by Frank J.
Most of the innovative stuff is coming from universities. In reality the magnetic wankle engine was invented years back.
The Dept of Energy, of course, wont ever produce energy. They are part of the intelligence wing.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:50 amSince Hoover dam was built before the Dept. of Energy existed decades before then you would agree with me that DOE be abolished?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:50 amAgain, if there is an electric car that is built that will travel 400 miles before it needs a charge, can go 100 to 120 mph and have air conditioning it will be built by a free market entrepreneur not by the Department of Energy which has never produced one watt of electricity in its entire history.
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:42 am
You are right that the free market can play the major role in solving our environmental problems. As the public continues to demand more sensitivity to the environment in its purchases, the market will respond.
What we need right now is for the public to be more aggressive in demanding more environmentally-friendly options, which it will do as it learns more about the dangers of global warming and the destruction of nature.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:50 amNothing created by Jimmy Carter has any intelligence in it.,
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 amIn effect you must completely reject science as a whole to continue your denialism.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 17, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
And the loons play on. Geeze…;)
——-
I think Frank J is paid to deny global warming. Others are just locked into believing whatever the Bush administration and its proxies tell them to believe. Yet others simply reject the truth because they hate it for its liberal bias.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 17, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
And most just know you’re nuts! Lighten up, chicken little, the sky isn’t falling. ;)
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 amthe agenda of the “global warming crowd” is to leave a habitable planet, frank. we realize you dont care about that, but that’s because you’re an idiot, so your opinion is worthless.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 amSince Hoover dam was built before the Dept. of Energy existed decades before then you would agree with me that DOE be abolished?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Okay as long as the govt takes control of Exxon, and all the energy companies, since they’re not doing anyone any good but gouging us at the pump, and denying the whole problem of climate change exists. The control of them should be put under homeland security.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:53 amI just remembered the genetically engineered energy generating micro-organisms too. I think that this issue is something both parties could agree on, because it would create new sectors of the economy and at the same time should be able to reduce dependence on oil from the mideast. -Michael Savage PHD
I concur. Its time to put down the partisan politics, ala Rove, and work towards alternative energy, global warming or not, to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:53 amAnd most just know you’re nuts! Lighten up, chicken little, the sky isn’t falling. ;)
Comment by upright left — August 18, 2007 @ 1:51 am
you’re quite wrong, the sky is falling, and you dont care.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:54 amNothing created by Jimmy Carter has any intelligence in it.,
Comment by Frank J
Billy Beer!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:54 amSince Hoover dam was built before the Dept. of Energy existed decades before then you would agree with me that DOE be abolished?
Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 1:50 am
what kind of drugs are you on? LSD? you make no sense. you make nonsense, in fact.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:55 amWhy? If you are not a terrorist you should have no problemo!
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Most Americans would choose not to live under a fascist regime. You want to give up your liberties so you take away mine.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:56 amAnd most just know you’re nuts! Lighten up, chicken little, the sky isn’t falling. ;)
Comment by upright left — August 18, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Actually it is, as the world continues to grow, and America does nothing, that oil and coal will be more expensive. We can build our infrastructure now, while it’s cheaper for everyone.
As for chicken littles, look out theres and Islamic family moving in down the street.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:57 amI concur. Its time to put down the partisan politics, ala Rove, and work towards alternative energy, global warming or not, to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
Comment by Dick E. Chain — August 18, 2007 @ 1:53 am
right. Cheney’s on the phone, wants to know more.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:57 amComment by ronjazz — August 18, 2007 @ 1:55 am
For shame. You broke that troll!
What are you going to play with now?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:57 amI don’t know a single soul that takes AGW seriously when it comes to their own CF. This is why I made an ASSumption that Shane hasn’t changed his diet [among other things].
August 18th, 2007 at 1:59 amWe already have that, so quit your whining already.
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 1:58 am
so if you fill your tank with gas, you’ll never have to buy gas again? wow, is that the free market? thanks, p. you once again have proven that you’re as stupid as you are cowardly.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:59 amsee, Zooey? asked, and answered. there is no shortage of stupidity in wingnutland.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:01 amActually it is, as the world continues to grow, and America does nothing, that oil and coal will be more expensive.
The upside to expensive oil is that when it passes the 70$ a barrel mark alternative fuels become viable.
The US military [Air Force] is currently working with synthetic jet fuel [Fisher-Tropsch] that burns cleaner than current jet fuel.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:01 amronjazz,
Please tell me all the changes you’ve made to your CF genius?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:02 amI don’t know a single soul that takes AGW seriously when it comes to their own CF. This is why I made an ASSumption that Shane hasn’t changed his diet [among other things].
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:59 am
that’s because you move in a circle of greed and ignorance. we don’t
August 18th, 2007 at 2:02 amWhy does al get the blame for this.He’s just al.Seems the fantasy level has so much anger they look for targets.Al must be important to them.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:02 amSome one said: when it’s everyone else, you better look at youself.
Now that may or may not apply but chances are it may be a good idea anyway.
If it’s not gobal warming then fine.
Stop the gigantic fraud in the desert then.That should keep you busy.
I don’t know a single soul that takes AGW seriously when it comes to their own CF. This is why I made an ASSumption that Shane hasn’t changed his diet [among other things].
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:59 am
You and I don’t know the same people — thank goodness. Luckily, none of us needs to prove anything to a hypocrite such as yourself.
You are also ASSuming shane is male.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:02 amthat’s because you move in a circle of greed and ignorance. we don’t
Comment by ronjazz
=====================
Most people I hang out w/are moderates and libs, so who is making the assumption now?
Most of you cats simply don’t want to walk the walk after all the talk.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:04 amsee, Zooey? asked, and answered. there is no shortage of stupidity in wingnutland.
Comment by ronjazz — August 18, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Winguttia is the land of plenty o’ stupid.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:04 amIt was a bumper crop this year!
We already have that, so quit your whining already.
Comment by Liberator
Eh? Mr P the Earth has been around some 4.6 billion years. It has yet quite a long way to go. I know its hard to think outside of a few hundred years. But we must accept the fact of desertification [Such as Mars] and how it will affect society a long long time from now.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:05 amThe timestamps say it’s after 2:00 am somewhere.
I’m going to turn off some electricity and go to bed.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:05 amYou are also ASSuming shane is male.
Comment by Zooey
==========
When did I say he is a male. If anything, I tend to assume most of the emotional types here at TP to be women.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:05 amMost people I hang out w/are moderates and libs, so who is making the assumption now?
Most of you cats simply don’t want to walk the walk after all the talk.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 2:04 am
i dont believe you for a moment.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:06 amI tend to assume most of the emotional types here at TP to be women.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 2:05 am
All us libs are emotional types, regardless of sex (or lack of it).
August 18th, 2007 at 2:06 amMost of you cats simply don’t want to walk the walk after all the talk.
Comment by Toliver
I bet my footprint is smaller than yours without being a vegan.
How many miles do you drive a week? [gasoline used]
August 18th, 2007 at 2:07 amWhen did I say he is a male. If anything, I tend to assume most of the emotional types here at TP to be women.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 2:05 am
yeah, you hang out with liberals.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 amWhen did I say he is a male. If anything, I tend to assume most of the emotional types here at TP to be women.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 2:05 am
Don’t get all emotional, but here it is:
This is why I made an ASSumption that Shane hasn’t changed his diet [among other things].
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 1:59 am
You ok?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 amGoodnight, Egg!!
It’s no fun without, Egg. I’m outta here too.
Goodnight, all y’all non-trolls!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:10 amOK, the destruction of Toliver is complete, albeit by his/her own hand. Frank’s shredded as well. p will get more meth and stay up all night trying to complete a coherent thought, without sucess, so, I’m set. Night all.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:10 amYou people really need to look up the word hypocrite.
I don’t think AGW is a major problem when put into context.
Is this concept over your heads?
The preacher can’t drink the booze and screw the hooker w/out being a hypocrite.
I’m not a believer. I’m not a preacher. I can eat the pork chop and fly to Vegas.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:11 amI tend to assume most of the emotional types here at TP to be women.
Comment by Toliver
Like Liberator with all his AOOOOOOOOO and exclamation marks?
Heh. I realize your trying to evoke an emotional response, as many trolls [not you] do here. I find it odd that people think they know what anothers emotions are thru a CRT.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:12 amWhy are you making such a big deal out of this?
Is shane a she-male or something?
Comment by Bush Cultist — August 18, 2007 @ 2:09 am
I’m not making a big deal out of anything. Toliver is the hypocrite demanding behavior changes he assumes none of us have made, and that he does not require of himself.
I merely pointed out another of his mistaken assumptions.
Is that ok with you? Sheesh…
August 18th, 2007 at 2:12 amAs for chicken littles, look out theres and Islamic family moving in down the street.
Comment by Capt Morgan — August 18, 2007 @ 1:57 am
Don’t be scared, they’re probably perfectly nice people. ;)
August 18th, 2007 at 2:13 amCoward. Comment by Bush Cultist
Its 2 am BC. Fer Gawrrssh sakes.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:14 amComment by Bush Cultist — August 18, 2007 @ 2:11 am
F*ckwit.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:14 amyeah, you hang out with liberals.
————
Yeah, I do.
———————
And zooey I did refer to Shane as “his”. Most of the time I say “his or her”. Reading my posts you should know this to be true. As a matter of fact I’ve done it a few times on this thread. Does it matter? No.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:14 amLook up the word “hypocrite” zooey. Look up some manners as well my name calling friend.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:16 amI’m not a believer. I’m not a preacher. I can eat the pork chop and fly to Vegas.
Comment by Toliver
And raise your CF? You don’t have to be a preacher or a vegan to be a hypocrite. Conservatism [politically speaking] has to be and is a hypocrisy.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:17 amDick E. Chain,
I’m not the AGW believer or preacher. Can you understand that?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:19 amConservatives tend to be sex hypocrites when they are hypocrites. Liberals tend to be hypocrites in nearly everything else.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 amI’m not the AGW believer or preacher. Can you understand that?
Comment by Toliver
Sure. But your not a vegan either.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:24 amConservatives tend to be sex hypocrites when they are hypocrites. Liberals tend to be hypocrites in nearly everything else.
Comment by Toliver
Well, yeah, we always knew the ‘moral majority’ to be a sham.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:27 amToliver, I engaged you for many posts only to have you end up right where you started. Many of us were conservationists before we even understood global warming. For 35 years I’ve been purchasing conscientiously. Recently I’ve bought a hybrid car so for all my business errands that I don’t need room for I use that instead of the truck which uses alternative fuels. I have cooked seasonally and with small amounts of protein for many, many years. I’ve grown my own garden, when possible, always my own herbs and buy locally grown produce and local cage free eggs whenever available. I work out of my home most days so I don’t have to drive for work I can do at home. I quit using bottled water most of the time. Have all high efficiency bulbs in my home. Adjusted my thermostats and wear sweaters all day while working at home to keep energy usage low and work out of the lower level during the summer where it is cool. My husband catches enough fish to provide one meal a week all year. I could go on but what is the point.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:31 amComment by BUSH CULTIST
Meds wear off???
August 18th, 2007 at 2:33 amYOU LIBTARDS CAN’T EVEN THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by BUSH CULTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 18, 2007 @ 2:32 am
Sure dittohead, whatever trips your trigger.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:34 amComment by BUSH CULTIST
Meds wear off???
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 2:33 am
Hi Wayne, which goofy troll is supposed to get his ass kicked tomorrow?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:34 amOK Shane, you’ve made a signifigant change in your life. Preach all you want.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:36 amHi Wayne, which goofy troll is supposed to get his ass kicked tomorrow?
Comment by shane
================
You’re the only one not to be a hypocrite here. How is that an “ass kicking”?.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:38 amCorrection:
Not to be an AGW hypocrite.
Whew.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:39 amNEW YORK (Reuters) – Texas oilman David Chalmers and his two companies, Bayoil USA Inc. and Bayoil Supply and Trading Ltd., on Friday pleaded guilty to paying millions of dollars in secret kickbacks to Iraq in connection with the United Nations oil-for-food program.
Chalmers pleaded guilty.
I have never supported Jihad Mr P. That would be your guy.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:39 amYou’re the only one not to be a hypocrite here. How is that an “ass kicking�.
Comment by Toliver — August 18, 2007 @ 2:38 am
This is not about you. It’s about somebody who’s supposed to show up in Wayne’s neighborhood tomorrow. And progressives tend to be conservatonist types so I would bet many of us have been making changes for years.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:41 amHey now, DEC, many people were mixed up w/the FFO program you know.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:41 amGlobal warming is real and is a threat to all us. Those who deny this reality are doing so at the risk of losing all credibility. The scientific community is unified on this issue. Those who say otherwise are aligned with the natural gas, oil and car manufacturing companies who only care about their financial bottom lines.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:42 amYOU LIBTARDS CAN’T EVEN THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by BUSH CULTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mr P I can think on levels that you only hope to ever attain. I have tried to help you overcome this monad in what we exist,,but your gonna have to let go of your rote trained bias first. What your typing, here, doesn’t help you.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:42 amThis is not about you. It’s about somebody who’s supposed to show up in Wayne’s neighborhood tomorrow.
==========
Don’t tell me there’s fisticuffs scheduled.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:42 amNot really Probus.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:43 amTP needs a cleaner forum look/program. This current thing hurts my tired eyes.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:45 amHey now, DEC, many people were mixed up w/the FFO program you know. Comment by Toliver
I wasn’t. And yes I know that. Money knows not politic parties, nor cares.
Mr P assumes that this site, which is financed by Soros, who is Jewish, for some inane reason, thinks he is pro-muslim. The fact is Mr Soros is looking for a more dovish alternative to AIPAC. I have just shown that his rants are baseless smear begotten from some talking head.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:46 amThey’re liberals, they don’t win in real life, let shane have his little victory (or her, I don’t think we ever really got that straightened out).
Comment by BUSH CULTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 18, 2007 @ 2:42 am
You keep telling yourself that. Then you’ll talk about all the liberals with big houses and large carbon footprints. I’ve recently lost $10,000 in retirement funds due to the downturn in the market but I can live with it. But I blame Bush and all you cultists who think deregulation is the answer for everything. How’s it working for you now?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:47 amDon’t tell me there’s fisticuffs scheduled.
Comment by Toliver
Mr P aint gonna show up. He just talks alot of garbage.
TP needs a cleaner forum look/program. This current thing hurts my tired eyes. Comment by Tolive
I agree, this wordpress program is the pits.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:49 amDANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by BUSH CULTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — August 18, 2007 @ 2:48 am
“When you ain’t got nothing you got nothing to lose.” Dandy, indeed.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:50 amThey’re liberals, they don’t win in real life. -BC
What is life BC?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:50 am“Mr P aint gonna show up. â€
Why would I?
Dr Dog eh? Another of your imaginary monikers.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:52 amWell anyway, Toliver, I’m glad to see you are much more coherent and logical than Mr P [BC] here and hope you have a good evening.
Goodnite.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:55 amhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/08/breaking-white-house-to-offer-plans-of.html
BREAKING: WH TO OFFER TROOP CUT OFFER
August 18th, 2007 at 6:20 amMr P assumes that this site, which is financed by Soros, who is Jewish, for some inane reason, thinks he is pro-muslim. The fact is Mr Soros is looking for a more dovish alternative to AIPAC. I have just shown that his rants are baseless smear begotten from some talking head.
Comment by Dick E. Chain — August 18, 2007 @ 2:46 am
Soros is Jewish by birth, not by faith. ;)
August 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amTP does have a way of deleting negative comments about the State of Isreal. Or their peoples.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCanada’s last igloo to be flattened amid Arctic boom
by Michel Comte Fri Aug 17, 3:47 AM ET
IQALUIT, Canada (AFP) – The last igloo in Canada’s far north, which housed a family restaurant for 27 years, is set to be demolished to make room for offices, amid a flurry of economic activity in the remote Arctic.
Get yers now, going cheeep, only gettin’ warmer!
August 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmArctic sea ice today at lowest level ever.
Ever? Surely you mean since the levels have been recorded.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:24 pmMust be from the Sun.
New research from Stephen Schwartz of Brookhaven National Lab concludes that the Earth’s climate is only about one-third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as the IPCC assumes. Schwartz’s study is “in press†at the Journal of Geophysical Research and you can download a preprint of the study here.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:28 pmUh oh. LMAO. I don’t see why you take “global warming” seriously when your so-called leaders don’t.
Global warming watchdog invests in oil, coal, utilities
The new chair of the California Air Resources Board Mary Nichols’ stock holdings include shares in oil giants Chevron Corp., BP and Royal Dutch Shell, as well as a stake in a Bermuda tanker company that transports crude oil, according to economic interest statements she filed this week.
She also owns stock in the world’s largest coal company, Peabody Energy Corp., along with utilities including Edison International, whose subsidiary, Southern California Edison, serves most of the Southern California electricity market.
In total, she and her attorney husband, John Daum, who represents Exxon in the ongoing Exxon Valdez oil-spill case, have a financial stake in 13 energy-related firms in a diversified stock portfolio that contains 84 companies, according to statements she filed on Aug. 14 with the state Fair Political Practices Commission.
Oh, I’m sure she’ll get rid of ‘em. Just like how Al Gore is changing his house after being found out. LMAO.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:30 pmGlobal warming is real and is a threat to all us. Those who deny this reality are doing so at the risk of losing all credibility. The scientific community is unified on this issue
Could scientists be wrong like they were in the 70’s regarfing global cooling, like when they said the earth was flat, like when they said the atom was the smallest form of matter. I believed these were all later changed. could they be wrong again?
August 18th, 2007 at 11:18 pmCould scientists be wrong like they were in the 70’s regarfing global cooling,
Comment by tony — August 18, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
There was never a scientific consensus over the so-called “global cooling”. It was Newsweek that published a sensationalistic article on it. Scientific knowledge about our planet’s climate has improved a lot in just 30 years.
like when they said the earth was flat,
What scientists ever said the Earth was flat? Are you referring to the Babylonians? Egyptians?
As I said before, our knowledge of the world around us has improved a lot in just 30 years. If that is your standard, you’d better stop going to the doctor because, you know, doctors at some point believed disease was caused by humors
like when they said the atom was the smallest form of matter.
Again, if that is your standard, do not take antibiotics, let alone get an surgical procedure. Medical science has been wrong before.
I believed these were all later changed. could they be wrong again?
There is a strong consensus that global climate change is real, just as strong that evolution is a fact.
If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, we should abandon our technological advances because our knowledge and the science behind them was once less than ideal.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:20 amIf we take your argument to its logical conclusion, we should abandon our technological advances because our knowledge and the science behind them was once less than ideal.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 2:20 am
In other words, they were wrong all those other times, but, no, they couldn’t possibly be wrong now. They now know everything there is to know, they won’t change their stand on anything they currently believe on global climate change. ;)
August 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmLawrence Solomon’s “The Deniers” (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled “Global Warming Deniers”):
Science, not politics
Statistics needed
The original denier: into the cold
End the chill
They call this a consensus?
The limits of predictability
Unsettled science
Models trump measurements
The ice-core man
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
Polar scientists on thin ice
The sun moves climate change
Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
Read the sunspots
Forget warming – beware the new ice age
Little Ice Age is still with us
Fighting climate ‘fluff’
Other References:
Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny
The Global Warming Myth
Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective
Father of Climatology Throws Up at the Thought of Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmSwedish Scientist Accuses UN’s IPCC of Falsifying Data and Destroying Evidence
CO2 Science
Global Warming and Climate Forcing by Recent Albedo Changes on Mars
Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming – Now Skeptics
The Real ‘Inconvenient Truth’
New findings indicate today’s greenhouse gas levels not unusual
Climate Change: Incorrect information on pre-industrial CO2
Global Warming as a Religion
I Was On the Global Warming Gravy Train (By David Evans)
Global Warming: it’s not caused by greenhouse gases says academic
Still Waiting for Greenhouse
GREENIE WATCH
Why Global Warming Would be Good for You
Global Warming Primer (PDF)
Global Warming: An Official Pseudoscience
Sun’s Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
Fiddler On The Roof
Debating Global Warming
Climate Resistance
whoops all these links didnt link up
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI wonder why, just on the outside chance that humans may be impacting this earth in a negative fashion, what is the harm to change behavior a little bit to see if it helps the planet? What is the harm in saying, yeah, maybe there is some truth and I should do a little something like turning off unused lights, walking instead of driving to the store? what would it hurt someone? but people right away, some of them, say bascially “hey, who cares, I’m not doing anything” == I’m not going to be around, it’s not going to hurt ME…what about your kids, your grandkids and just the beauty of this planet of which humans are very small members but very big in destroying. Humans have a habit of taking but not putting much back. Very sad. I am writing this in the dark, don’t own a car, don’t buy bottled water because I care about LIFE which means all life, and the beauty of it.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:39 pm“Lib-fuccs must check out this link to see HOW MANY scientists OPPOSE global warming BS: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warmin”
Comment by ProgslustforPelosisthighs — August 17, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
gosh! that’s an impressive list! how many you got there? maybe 50? and how many of those are supported or have received support from the oil industry?
never mind the 2,500 climate researchers who signed on to the latest IPCC report, you f*cking moron!
August 20th, 2007 at 11:18 amGlobal Warming guys…. take a paloeclimatology class if you really want to become educated on the issue. If you do, you will likely quit making/believing absurdities…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmGlobal warming ROCKS! Its gettin hot in HERE!
September 8th, 2007 at 5:32 pm