Deck the halls with Ronald Reagan.
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Deck the halls with Ronald Reagan.
During a visit to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library this week, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told former first lady Nancy Reagan “that he is working with other senators who want to erect a statue of President Reagan” in the U.S. Capitol. “There could be no more fitting recognition than to welcome his likeness to the halls of Congress,’” McConnell told Mrs. Reagan. Ironically, Reagan never actually served in Congress.
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Perhaps a statue of Reagan handing weapons to Contras with one hand, while slipping Iranians cash with the other.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:23 amIronically, Reagan never actually served in Congress.
True, but Reagan charmed the Congress — both Republicans and many democrats — to pass his largest policy reforms. No Republican had the Congress convinced more than Ronald Reagan, so a statue shouldn’t be out of the question.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd the deification of Reagan persists…
August 17th, 2007 at 11:36 amBut, but, Garfield!!!!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:38 amWill they introduce pigeons to the Capitol building to poop on it as well? Otherwise it’s not worth doing.
Go ahead, Reagan and Nachos, have at me…
August 17th, 2007 at 11:39 am#1- we’ll put that right next to a statue of Clinton getting a bj and Hillary whacking Vince Foster.
Comment by Reagan is Chrispy— August 17, 2007 @ 11:36 am
which will, of course, be next to the statue of the lifeless, shell shocked, deer in the headlights look of Dubya, reading My Pet Goat!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:40 amI see that there’s no more talk about carving Ron on Mount Rushmore — his fans finally believe what the geologists said about the stability of the rock not supporting any more sculpting.
If they want to erect a statue of Reagan somewhere, why not at “his” airport (Reagan National)? Perhaps by the air control tower?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:40 amI have been saying all along that the Repugs have nothing now, so are trying to channel Ronnie raygunz back, but this is too creepy… even for them!
It sounds like a paid political announcement as well.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:41 amJust one more thing to melt down when the revolution comes. Perhaps you’d be so kind as to cast it in depleted uranium….
August 17th, 2007 at 11:43 amHow about a statue of McConnell with his head up Bush’s ass?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:44 amIf they want to erect a statue of Reagan somewhere, why not at “his†airport (Reagan National)? Perhaps by the air control tower?
Comment by missmolly — August 17, 2007 @ 11:40 am
That probably flew over the heads of most posters here, except those that are over 40 (even if just barely)
Still, very witty, missmolly. Very witty!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:45 am“Deck da halls with Ronnie Rayguns, fa ra raa ra raaaaaa, ra raa ra raa….”
August 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amOf course the wingnuts greatest hero was a friend of our most hated enemies today.
Republicans are a terrorists best friend!!!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:46 am#5 – clearly off your game today. What’s wrong – you didn’t get to perform a partial-birth abortion today???
Comment by Reagan is Christ — August 17, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Your Mom said I was about 15 years too late, sorry.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:48 amGood morning, everyone.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:48 amThat probably flew over the heads of most posters here, except those that are over 40 (even if just barely)
Comment by DRxJ — August 17, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Oh good — I KNEW somebody would get it! ;-)
August 17th, 2007 at 11:49 amThose (R)s are really into the graven image thing, aren’t they?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:49 amDemocratic presidents are better for the economy than Republican presidents.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081707N.shtml
http://www.forbes.com/ home/ commerce/ 2004/ 07/ 20/ cx_da_0720presidents.html
August 17th, 2007 at 11:49 amRemember this from TP on Tuesday?
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 08/ 14/ cheneys-chief-of-staff-more-powerful-than-bushs/
Even though he’s dead, Reagan landed in the #13 spot of most powerful people in Washington. You gotta admit that’s impressive.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 amtest
August 17th, 2007 at 11:51 amReagan was incompetent and an embarrassment to the country. He only looks acceptable in light of the current Republican standard bearer.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:52 amGood morning, everyone.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Morning Nachos, can I have mine with chicken, diced green onion, jalapenos, guajillo chiles and a dollop of sour cream?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:54 amEven though he’s dead, Reagan landed in the #13 spot of most powerful people in Washington. You gotta admit that’s impressive.
Comment by missmolly — August 17, 2007 @ 11:51 am
Kinda like an oily haired Kurt Cobain>?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:55 amREAGAN: the only U.S. President who needs a full time staff to try to prove his worth to American (see Reagan Legacy Project at http://reaganlegacy.blogspot.com/).
The point is, if you have to work so hard telling us why Reagan was so great, he obviously wasn’t great.
August 17th, 2007 at 11:55 am#5 – clearly off your game today. What’s wrong – you didn’t get to perform a partial-birth abortion today???
Comment by Reagan is Christ — August 17, 2007 @ 11:39 am
I don’t know if RUC got to perform one, but I had a partial birth abortion today. It sure put the pep back in my step!!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhy would it honor reagan to put up a statue of him in any government building? he hated government. Remember his joke about the ten scariest words in the English language?
August 17th, 2007 at 11:56 amKinda like an oily haired Kurt Cobain>?
Comment by RUCerious — August 17, 2007 @ 11:55 am
I was thinking more like Lenin’s body…
August 17th, 2007 at 11:57 amPartial Birth Abortions!
Taste great!
less filling!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:58 amYou got partial birth abortion in my peanut butter!
August 17th, 2007 at 11:58 amYou got peanut butter on my partial birth abortion!
StrawMen
More Straw!
More Man!
Geebus Hornswaggled Kreist!@
August 17th, 2007 at 12:00 pmGood morning, everyone.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 11:48 am
You forgot the rest of the greeting… “Is everyone ready to order, or would you like a little more time?”
How are the Freedom Fries this morning? Are they fresh?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pmWhile we have been having fun with the silly subject matter of this thread, I think we may have been missing a bigger picture here.
McConnell and his merry band of “other senators” seem to be finally realizing that Bush and Cheney aren’t doing much to enhance the Republican Party. By proposing a statue of Reagan (and getting some media focus on Reagan’s presidency), they hope to distract from current issues and “sell” to their base with an old product proven to work.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:02 pmit’s great to know that while over a 100,000 american soldiers are on the ground in iraq, mitch mcconnell is making the really important stuff his top priority.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:04 pmA statue of Reagan in the Caspitol?! Do these people have amnesia? Or is this simply historical revision at work?
Hey, if the GOP wants to thoroughly embarrass itself by erecting such a statue, be my guest. It just cheapens the Capitol to put it there.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by missmolly — August 17, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
good point.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:04 pmMaybe McConnell et al should get a statue of W getting buggered by Rove getting buggered by Gannon in the Rotunda…
#32
Which proves they’re moving backwards. Just the way they think.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:05 pmMaybe McConnell et al should get a statue of W getting buggered by Rove getting buggered by Gannon in the Rotunda…
Comment by RUCerious — August 17, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Hmmm… that would give new meaning to the phrase, “Chain of command…”
Jes’ pointin’ it out…
August 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“StrawMen
More Straw!
More Man!”
RUCurious
And the Pharoh said” Let them make men without straw!
And the crowd of slaves exclaimed” Make men without straw? How can you make men without Straw?
re 32
true, but they also run the risk of exposing how weak the current crop of repubs are. reagan can’t run again. the next batch of idiots look even weaker, in the eyes of the faithful, when compared to reagan then they do when compared to hillary.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:08 pmNachos for everyone. Any kind of Nachos, order up.
Personally, the Nacho-man in me likes the Justice-flavored Nachos.
Breakfast Nachos
August 17th, 2007 at 12:08 pmFried Nachos
Shrimp Nachos
Double-cheese Nachos
Nacho-flavored salsa
Salsa-flavored Nachos
Spicy Nachos
Beef Nachos
Chicken Nachos
……
Personally, the Nacho-man in me likes the Justice-flavored Nachos.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Then you’ll be in favor of Impeachment Nachos. :-D
Good morning, Nachos.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pmMiss Molly beat me to it — I was going to suggest having numerous statues scattered around air traffic control towers around the country.
But only after we put statues of Michael Vick at all animal shelters, name a power plant after Ken Lay, and have someone introduce the Duke Cunningham Congressional Ethics Reform Act.
:-)
.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pmMaybe McConnell et al should get a statue of W getting buggered by Rove getting buggered by Gannon in the Rotunda…
Or a statue of Stuggs requesting an underage male ‘companion’ from Barney Frank’s boyfriend.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
cont…
Coconut Nachos
August 17th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNachos with Guacamole dip
Nachos with sweet n’ sour dipping sauce
Nachos for KKKarl
NachoRAMA — 4 layers of nachos on one platter, each layer containing a different topping, baked to perfection, or Nacho-Baked ™.
Most corrupt administration in history (132 officials indicted and/or convicted), largest tax increase in history (doubling Soc. Sec. Tax), sold weapons to middle-eastern terrorists (Iranians) to get money for central american terrorists (Contras), bigger deficit and debt than all previous presidents combined, first “cut and runner” after the attack in Lebanon, most expensive scandal (Savings & Loan deregulation) in nation’s history, support and weapons sales to Saddam Hussein, first “war” in which friendly fire deaths outnumber hostile fire (Granada), falling asleep at important meetings, confusing film scripts with real history….
Yep, we need a statue!
August 17th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNachoRAMA — 4 layers of nachos on one platter, each layer containing a different topping, baked to perfection, or Nacho-Baked ™.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Must be goddamn lunchtime!
August 17th, 2007 at 12:13 pmHaving taken 436 days of vacation during his two terms (second only to the Bush) maybe the statue would be more comfortable somewhere on his ranch where Congress won’t need to be reminded daily of Repig obstructionism. The rightie mantra “I don’t recall” got a lot of mileage from the Gimper back in the day!
August 17th, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by Zooey — August 17, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Uh oh.
I don’t have the recipe/ingredients for the impeachment flavor. Anyone who can supply me the ingredients retains all rights.
I hope, Zooey, that your trip went smoothly. I hope you didn’t have to sweat too much.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:15 pmreagan can’t run again. the next batch of idiots look even weaker, in the eyes of the faithful, when compared to reagan then they do when compared to hillary.
Neither can Bush yet thats what the dems campaign platform seems to be based upon.
Hillary will be your nominee and even dems dont want to vote for her; she will draw out conservative voters in waves not seen since the Reagan era.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHow about a statue of Julius Caesar with his dick in his hand
August 17th, 2007 at 12:17 pmfirst “cut and runner†after the attack in Lebanon,
Carter.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pmComment by RUCerious — August 17, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Ah, the unholy trifecta! I don’t know art but I know what I like!
I thought the Repugs didn’t want statues with boobs anywhere on display.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe rightie mantra “I don’t recall†got a lot of mileage from the Gimper back in the day!
Got a lot of mileage in Clinton’s day too. I had no idea the slicker was a “rightie”.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pmAs compared to the libs desire to have male statues with their junk hanging out everywhere on display.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI can think of a “more fitting recognition” of Reagan. Maybe vote to override a presidential veto on federally funded stem cell research to eradicate the disease that killed him.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“Hillary will be your nominee and even dems dont want to vote for her; she will draw out conservative voters in waves not seen since the Reagan era.”
Comment by LibTeenie — August 17, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
I agree with you that Hillary is conservative enough that many conservatives will probably vote for her. Especially when you consider that the only alternative will be Giuliani (who won’t even carry his own city, much less his own state).
August 17th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI don’t have the recipe/ingredients for the impeachment flavor. Anyone who can supply me the ingredients retains all rights.
I’m thinking extra-crunchy tortilla chips, barbacoa beef, hot salsa, finely shredded colby jack cheese, sour cream, and a dap of guacamole. Yum, impeachment nachos.
I hope, Zooey, that your trip went smoothly. I hope you didn’t have to sweat too much.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 17, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Nice trip, nice move for my son. Didn’t meet the heat until the drive home. Thanks, Nachos.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI like da broads: “first “cut and runner†after the attack in Lebanon,
Carter.”
Sorry, Reagan cut and run from Lebanon in 1983, two years after Carter left office. In fact, Reagan was easier on the Soviet Union than was Carter. Reagan eliminated Carter’s boycott and economic santions against the Soviets that Carter had set after the Soviets invaded Afganistan. Reagan started trading with them again. Carter was actually tougher on communism than Reagan was.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:26 pmCarter said we needed to find domestic renewable energy sources. One of the first things Reagan did was remove the solar panels Carter had installed on the roof of the Whitehouse. If we had followed Carter’s policies, the “oil wars” would have never happened, but Reagan reversed all of that thinking. Nice going, Reagan.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:28 pmYou guys just keep telling yourselves Hillary can’t win. She’s beaten Rudy and the Repub frontrunners soundly in 12 of the last 14 polls and 58% of Americans say they’ll vote for the Dem no matter who the nominee is, but you can always dream.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:30 pmre 57-58
don’t forget that Carter also honorably served in the military, something neither reagan or bush did.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWould we have to genuflect to it or just weep in sorrow.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:33 pmbarbacoa beef,…
sounds good! but what the hell is that?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:40 pmWould we have to genuflect to it or just weep in sorrow.
Comment by the fly-man — August 17, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Uhh, Howza bout pissing on it??
August 17th, 2007 at 12:44 pmthe only alternative will be Giuliani (who won’t even carry his own city, much less his own state).
Comment by missmolly — August 17, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
The real question here, missmolly, is whether Rudi will carry his own handbag…
August 17th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAnyone else find it both odd and sad that the Repub party is so enraptured by a man who presided over the country while in a reduced mental state?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:49 pmI go out of my way to be kind to Reagan in deferance because of the cruel alzheimers he suffered for so many years. But if he had not been felled by this disease, I’d have no sympathy for him at all, as this country and the world suffered greatly while he was in office, regardless if he was cognizant or not.
At least Hillary is supposed to wear dresses in public, at least part of the time.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWould we have to genuflect to it or just weep in sorrow.
Comment by the fly-man — August 17, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I heard they wanted to sacrifice welfare moms deliberately having unwanted children in order to increase their benefits beneath it. Problem is they have been having a hard time finding many of these made up and grossly exaggerated stereotypes
August 17th, 2007 at 12:50 pmIronically, Reagan never actually served in Congress.
he also spent much of his effort bashing Congress and supported an effort to illegally by-Congress and belonged to a party openly proud of those who lie to Congress. A statue of reagan in the Capital would be the ultimate insult that republicans could heap on the people’s branch of their government.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:53 pm.
#
As compared to the libs desire to have male statues with their junk hanging out everywhere on display.
Comment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Huh??? Try making “sense”. BTW, perhaps we should check w/ “da broads” and see if they like you.
Why does “sense” hate America so?
August 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmbarbacoa beef,…
sounds good! but what the hell is that?
Comment by name — August 17, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Slow cooked shredded beef with spices. Yum.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmOxyCon: “I go out of my way to be kind to Reagan in deferance because of the cruel alzheimers he suffered for so many years.”
It’s the height of irony that he was the first to obstruct the very medical technology which had the potential to save him from this horror.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHuh??? Try making “senseâ€. BTW, perhaps we should check w/ “da broads†and see if they like you.
Why does “sense†hate America so?
Comment by Empire Burlesque — August 17, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Da broads think he’s insignificant.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:56 pmSorry, Reagan cut and run from Lebanon in 1983, two years after Carter left office.
Sorry, but Carter sat on his thumb while a gaggle of Iranian jack-offs made America and Carter look like a frightened rabbit. He’s the first because youre right, Reagan came into office after Carter.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAt least Hillary is supposed to wear dresses in public, at least part of the time.
True, but according to Edward’s spokeswife, John is more in tune with women’s issues than Hillary.
Hillary ‘08…I hope she resurrects ‘HillaryCare’ so my wife can either quit her job or go where the government tells her to go. Maybe we’ll get lucky and get assigned to Hawaii.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Impressive back-pedal. Try to stay up on that unicycle…..
August 17th, 2007 at 1:02 pmperhaps we should check w/ “da broads†and see if they like you.
I know of one who does. Zooey, stop being coy.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:04 pmYeah , let’s piss away more taxpayer $’s on a pigeon target , to further fictionalize Ronnie Retard’s presidency ; will the inscription on it read : “Worst President in US history until the Chimpster came along”?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:05 pmImpressive back-pedal. Try to stay up on that unicycle…..
You must be as dumb as Ripper.
Maybe I should have shortened the italicized quote to: “first “cut and runner†for the dolts in the crowd who have a tough time with extrapolation.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:06 pmCarter tried to resolve the Iranian hostage situation without killing anyone. In the end all the hostages came home because carter didn’t go all macho. reagan secertly negotaiated with the Iranians to keep the hostages there longer than was necessary.
ps anyone who has to say they like “broads” probably spends too much time in communal showers glancing at other guy’s junk…
August 17th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI know of one who does.
Comment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
And how long has she been in a mental institution ………?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:06 pmspelled Mujahideen. and you can look in any geography textbook as the U.S. aid of this organization is supported by facts. Before I get questioned on this. Got to go!!!
August 17th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWorst President in US history”
No, that would be the planned ‘President Carter’ statue to be built on the grounds of the Iranian embassy.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:08 pmbroads: “Sorry, but Carter sat on his thumb while a gaggle of Iranian jack-offs made America and Carter look like a frightened rabbit.”
That may or may not be true, but I was originally talking about “cutting and running.” Carter didn’t do that. Reagan did that after his disasterous “show of force” in Beruit resulted in 243 dead marines. After the attack, he immediately pulled the remaining Marines out of Lebanon. These days, conservatives call that kind of action “cut and run.”
August 17th, 2007 at 1:09 pmAnd how long has she been in a mental institution ………?
Throw out a note from your cell to hers and ask her. Simple enough thing to do, even for you.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThese days, conservatives call that kind of action “cut and run.â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 17, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
They also claim that granting amnesty to illegals is just plan wrong oh except when Reagan did it
August 17th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThat may or may not be true, but I was originally talking about “cutting and running.†Carter didn’t do that.
Fact. Carter cut and run from his responsibilities as POTUS while Iranian savages kept American citizens hostage for 444 days.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:12 pmRe 83
and to regain his macho image reagan invaded that huge threat to the american way of life: Grenada! He attacked a small, impoverished, even by 3rd world standards, country to show how tough we was. He invented the political war that served bush 1 so well, (panama, gulf1) and would have served bush 2 if he’d actually finished the job in Afghanistan before he invaded iraq.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:13 pmI’m not sure where you wingnuts get this “Carter is the worst in history” nonsense. No presidential historian agrees with that. None. Again, in the late 70’s, Carter argued that we needed to find domestic renewable energy sources and wean ourselves of middle-east oil. Today, would any sane person argue that he was wrong about that? Carter imposed economic santions on the Soviets when they invaded Afganistan. Reagan lifted them. Who was tougher on communism?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:13 pmComment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ill bet that made him splutter.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pmFact. Carter cut and run from his responsibilities as POTUS while Iranian savages kept American citizens hostage for 444 days.
Comment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Sounds more like opinion.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCan’t McConnell just be content with his Ronald Reagan blow up doll? If you’re going to erect a statue to a guy famous for his naps and legislating by astrology, it needs to have Bonzo on his lap.
Reagan started this sh#t.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:14 pm“Fact. Carter cut and run from his responsibilities as POTUS while Iranian savages kept American citizens hostage for 444 days.
Comment by I Like da Broads —”
Lie. on both counts. If he’d been a republican, carter would have responded to the hostage situation in Iran by invading Liechtenstien…
August 17th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAnd how long has she been in a mental institution ………?
Throw out a note from your cell to hers and ask her. Simple enough thing to do, even for you.
Comment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
And what should the note have written on it ?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAre you most likely in here because you adore a GOP/Chimpy leg humping fool , who is delusional at best , but is really just a colossal douchebag and moron …………?
If the neocons had their way they would knock down the Washington Monument and put up a statue of the reigning Republican and have giant murals painted at every intersection. Why stop with naming aircraft carriers after living presidents.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:17 pmbroads: “You must be as dumb as Ripper.
Maybe I should have shortened the italicized quote to: “first “cut and runner†for the dolts in the crowd who have a tough time with extrapolation.”
For someone who likes to call people “dumb” you have a problem with English. I guess u dont reed tu guud.
“Cutting and running” is picking up and leaving. Now try to think this through; I know it’s hard for someone like you – dealing with a hostage situation, successfully or not, is NOT the same as “cutting and running.” Do you get the subtle distinction, Einstien?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:18 pmand to regain his macho image reagan invaded that huge threat to the american way of life: Grenada!
Similar to Clinton wagging the dog in Serbia. Wait, you must be pissed about that too, Bill trying to look macho by invading that huge threat to the American way of life.
Just want to make sure youre consistent in your condemnation.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:18 pmbroads: “Similar to Clinton wagging the dog in Serbia. Wait, you must be pissed about that too, Bill trying to look macho by invading that huge threat to the American way of life.”
It’s always hard to argue with someone who thinks he’s a lot smarter than he obviously is. Slowly now, because it doesn’t look like u reed tu guud – Clinton was fulfilling a NATO obligation to stop the genocidal obliteration of Bosnian muslims. Reagan was attempting to deflect criticism of his cutting and running from Lebanon after getting 243 marines killed for nothing.
If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground, you would know that the author of “Wag the Dog” wrote the story after the Granada invasion with Reagan in mind (according to him, anyway.)
August 17th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“Cutting and running†is picking up and leaving. Now try to think this through; I know it’s hard for someone like you – dealing with a hostage situation, successfully or not, is NOT the same as “cutting and running.†Do you get the subtle distinction, Einstien?
Well ya know, I paged through several dictionaries, thesauri, encyclopedias and various other informational publications and nowhere did I find a reference which named YOU sole arbiter of what a term may refer to.
BTW, you spelled “Einstein” wrong, Einstein. LOL
August 17th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWell ya know, I paged through several dictionaries, thesauri, encyclopedias and various other informational publications and nowhere did I find a reference which named YOU sole arbiter of what a term may refer to.
Comment by I Like da Broads — August 17, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
And that goes double for your knowledge of history (actually , a complete lack therof) ………………..
August 17th, 2007 at 1:27 pmClinton was fulfilling a NATO obligation to stop the genocidal obliteration of Bosnian muslims.
Where in the NATO charter does it say that NATO must stop genocides?
Why didnt NATO step in to stop the Rwandan genocide, if that is their purview? Or Cambodia’s? Or Sudan’s?
If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground, you would know that NATO wasnt formed to “prevent genocide”, Einstein (correct spelling).
August 17th, 2007 at 1:29 pmCareful broads, the colonel likes to pass himself off as a rational person but as you can see, he quickly hits the skids and starts to lose his temper.
Just go easy, the man is a tornado of righteous fury when roused to anger!
August 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pm“nowhere did I find a reference which named YOU sole arbiter of what a term may refer to.
Comment by I Like da Broads”
Typical republican. words mean what they want them to mean. Patriotism means mindlessly parroting the words of whatever neofacist republican is in charge, or mindlessly undercutting whatever demcrat is in charge. Bravery is sending someone else’s child to fight for a lie. supporting the troops is putting a magnetic ribbon on your car.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pmReagan was not a good president, but his mediocre skills at acting were sufficient to persuade the public (and congress) to see things his way.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pmKetchup is a vegetable.
Just say no to drugs – preach that to your children, they’ll listen.
Consult astrologers – have your wife do it, but act accordingly.
Make illegal deals with foreign governments.
Trickle down economics works – ask a poor kid.
Command the end of communism – watch the wall fall.
Unions are bad for the nation – start with air traffic controllers.
Confuse your old movies with historical facts.
Pretend you don’t remember – when confronted with irrefutable facts.
falling asleep at important meetings, confusing film scripts with real history….
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Yep, we need a statue!
Are talking about Freddy Thompson or Ronnie raygunz??
August 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“Why didnt NATO step in to stop the Rwandan genocide, if that is their purview? Or Cambodia’s? Or Sudan’s?”
I pretend to like broads
because NATO is primarily concerned with protecting it’s European borders. Idiot. If you’ll recall, Clinton later expressed his dismay at not doing anything to stop the Rawandan genocide.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:36 pmIt’s always hard to argue with someone who thinks he’s a lot smarter than he obviously is.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 17, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
It’s always the least gifted , that believe themselves to be the most gifted…….
August 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pmbecause NATO is primarily concerned with protecting it’s European borders. Idiot.
LOL, you and Ripper seem to be riding the same doltmobile. Thats exactly the point I made in the post you reference, if you had bothered to sound out the last sentence I wrote.
Here, let me help you so you dont get all confused by the scroll bar, this is what I wrote:
“If you knew your ass from a hole in the ground, you would know that NATO wasnt formed to “prevent genocideâ€
BTW, you might want to inform Ripper of that fact, because he seems to be under the impression that NATO’s purpose IS to stop genocide.
Idiot.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by bobwurst — August 17, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I figured this was the extent of your abilities.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDear I like to play with myself,
NATO was defending it’s borders by stopping a genocide that could have destablized neighoring countries, in NATO. Man, you are dumb enough to be a republican.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:45 pmIt’s always the least gifted , that believe themselves to be the most gifted…….
In that context, you would be the leader of Mensa.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI’d rather we borrow that Frank Zappa statue from Lithuania.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pmMaybe you could show us where, exactly, the Col. said that was NATO’s purpose.
He said it was their obligation, but never their purpose, never why they were founded, and never in their charter.
But that’s okay … keep making up arguments that no one here is making.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIt’s always the least gifted , that believe themselves to be the most gifted…….
In that context, you would be the leader of Mensa.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 17, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
So claims the Rhodes Scholar of Retards…..
August 17th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHas anyone else noticed how the republican’s bus keeps getting shorter?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pmSo claims the Rhodes Scholar of Retards…..
Bobwurst never said that.
Now velcro your shoes.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI noticed that the winners of the latest Special Olympics events portrayed in the paper were all wearing DFL shirts.
Got mustard?
August 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pmSo claims the Rhodes Scholar of Retards…..
Bobwurst never said that.
Now velcro your shoes.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 17, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I will as soon as you strap up your helmet , window licker…….
August 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pm“So claims the Rhodes Scholar of Retards…..
Bobwurst never said that.
Now velcro your shoes.
Comment by LibTeenie ”
Ah yes, the old “I know you are, but what am I” gambit. Shall I respond with “I’m rubber, you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you” ? Yes, that is the required reposte…
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August 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pmReagan and Bush should be carved into Mount Rushmore.
August 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pmReagan and Bush should be carved into Mount Rushmore.
Comment by m12 — August 17, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Just what we need next to 4 great presidents ; a pair of retarded monkeys………
August 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pmListen to Mitch MccConnell for one minute and you’ll know that this guy is a closet homosexual, and his love of Ronald Regan should be seen in light of that. Those that idolize Ronny are in the same boat – authoritarians/closet homosexual.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:00 pmReagan and Bush should be carved into Mount Rushmore.
Comment by m12 — August 17, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Why? BTW that cost money. TAXPAYER”S money!!!
August 17th, 2007 at 2:00 pmre 122
good point. so will the statue of reagan.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:02 pmYes, that is the required reposte…
Uhh, its “riposte”.
Ill refer you back to MC’s post: “It’s always the least gifted , that believe themselves to be the most gifted…….”
Maybe you should leave the unusual words to others and concentrate on the simple ones.
Whoa, here comes your bus.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:03 pmNamtillaku…Reagan idolizer.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWhy? BTW that cost money. TAXPAYERâ€S money!!!
Comment by dbadass — August 17, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
The Kemp Roth act of 1981 was one of the greatest pieces of legislation of the previous century and deserves to be honored as such for the savings it bestowed on taxpayers.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThe Kemp Roth act of 1981 was one of the greatest pieces of legislation of the previous century and deserves to be honored as such for the savings it bestowed on taxpayers.
Comment by m12 — August 17, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
And this morning’s prize for least relevant non sequitor goes to . . . i’m12!
August 17th, 2007 at 2:09 pmm12: “The Kemp Roth act of 1981 was one of the greatest pieces of legislation of the previous century and deserves to be honored as such for the savings it bestowed on taxpayers.”
At the time, we were the world’s largest creditor nation. After 27 years of these kinds of policies, we are the world’s biggest debtor nation.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pmIt won’t even cost us money, dbadass. The statue is investment, as the prescence of the Gipper will inspire future Congresses to save money.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pmWhoa, here comes your bus.
Comment by LibTeenie
I know you are. but what am I?
August 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pmm12: “It won’t even cost us money, dbadass. The statue is investment, as the prescence of the Gipper will inspire future Congresses to save money.”
Reagan created a deficit and a national debt which was larger than all other previous administrations combined. In 7 our of Reagan’s 8 budgets, congress ended up agreeing to spend LESS than what Reagan wanted to spend.
But, let’s not let annoying facts get in the way of your Reagan mythology.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:15 pmMyth: Reagan cut taxes.
Reality: Reagan’s policies were responsible for the largest tax increase in history – the doubling of the Social Security Tax. Since this only affected working class people, our millionaire press corp has not been interested in discussing it.
Myth: Reagan was tough on communism.
Reality: Reagan immediately lifted the Carter administration’s economic santions on the Soviets, thereby helping them to survive longer than they would have with Carter’s policies.
Myth: Reagan cut federal spending.
Reality: The size of the federal govt. and spending increased under Reagan and 7 out of his 8 budgets called for more spending than congress eventually agreed to.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 17, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
At the time, we had a $3 trillion GDP and were locked in a war with communism.
After 27 years, we have a $13.5 trillion GDP, US markets are flourishing with international investment, and we stand alone as the greatest military and the greatest economy in the world.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“But, let’s not let annoying facts get in the way of your Reagan mythology.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper”
And don’t forget the annoying facts of reagan being a hollywood dopesmoking divorced actor, hated by his kids (except for the one who rode the short bus) that pretended to have family values.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAfter 27 years, we have a $13.5 trillion GDP, US markets are flourishing with international investment, and we stand alone as the greatest military and the greatest economy in the world.
Comment by m12
Thank Clinton for what’s left of our economy. Bush is running this country into the ground, just like he did with every company he ran.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:24 pm“US markets are flourishing with international investment,”
You mean bush has put us in the position of being a wholly owned subsidary of the last remaining communist superpower. Good job republicans!
August 17th, 2007 at 2:25 pmAnd it might be interesting to see if that statue was toppled like Saddam’s.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAfter 27 years, we have a $13.5 trillion GDP, US markets are flourishing with international investment, and we stand alone as the greatest military and the greatest economy in the world.
Comment by m12
Yeah, flourishing so well that for the last few weeks the Federal Reserve has had to pump billions of dollars into them to keep them from going belly up.
The markets are not doing well, they are on the verge of crashing.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pmm12: “At the time, we had a $3 trillion GDP and were locked in a war with communism.
After 27 years, we have a $13.5 trillion GDP”
Again, we are now the world’s largest debtor nation. 27 years ago, we were the world’s largest creditor nation. Real wages for the vast majority of the American working class have been stagnant. Purchasing power for the average working class American has actually gone down. Poverty rates and levels are higher.
These things are the result of Reagan’s “supply-side” policies. Basically, what we’ve been doing for the last 27 years is borrowing money from the rich as opposed to taxing the rich. And, now, of course, we’re borrowing money from the Chinese and they hold over a trillion in our I.O.U’s.
You evidently think this is great economic policy. I don’t.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWe are now seeing many of the results of “supply-side” thinking. 28 years ago, Carter was arguing that we had to reinforce our infrastructure. Then, anti-tax zealots took over, the infrastructure has gone to hell, bridges are collapsing and pipes are bursting all across America. It’s past time to jettison this discredited, corporatist philosophy and get back to taking care of our country and its citizens.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pmQuestion for m12: How do unprecedented corporate profits benefit the majority of American citizens?
95% of all equity is held by less than 5% of the population, so it’s not like profits are being spread around.
Most American manufacturing has been off-shored, so it’s not like corporations are providing enough jobs.
Corporate taxes are only 7.5% of total tax revenue, the smallest percentage since 1934, so it’s not even like corporations are spreading it around by paying into the tax system.
So, yes, corporate profits are a big part of the expanded GDP, but how do they help the American people.
August 17th, 2007 at 2:56 pmthis is what happens when you mix politics with the banking world.
need to keep them separate
August 17th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe Reagan people also committed treason to get elected, when they negotiated with terrorists to keep Americans hostage in Iran.
The whole Republican Revolution was kicked off by an act of treason. America will not be safe until the wingers are driven out.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmYeah, flourishing so well that for the last few weeks the Federal Reserve has had to pump billions of dollars into them to keep them from going belly up.
The markets are not doing well, they are on the verge of crashing.
Hmm? You look at a couple weeks in the course of 27 years? When is this crash coming, exactly?
Please do tell, I’ve heard about this doomsday economy from the left since 2005!
August 17th, 2007 at 4:38 pmQuestion for m12: How do unprecedented corporate profits benefit the majority of American citizens?
Profitable corporations attract foreign investment providing capital for labor to work with and increase their productivity.
The CBO estimates that labor pays 70% of the corporate income tax. Why would you want it to be higher?
August 17th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThese things are the result of Reagan’s “supply-side†policies. Basically, what we’ve been doing for the last 27 years is borrowing money from the rich as opposed to taxing the rich. And, now, of course, we’re borrowing money from the Chinese and they hold over a trillion in our I.O.U’s.
Never mind that the top 10% pays a greater share of income taxes now than they did in the 1960s…..
August 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmThe Reagan people also committed treason to get elected, when they negotiated with terrorists to keep Americans hostage in Iran.
Are you saying that Carter couldn’t handle the Governor of California?
As useless as Clinton was in his final years, he was never one-upped and made irrelevant by one of the 50 state governors!
August 17th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNot much talk of how Ronnie and Nancy used astrologers to determine what decisions to make.
What do the Christian wingnuts think of that?
August 17th, 2007 at 5:09 pmLiberator: “As a scholar and presidential historian, I would just like to say that “Jimmah†Carter was the worst American President ever, hands down. This is one of those rare times when there is an overwhelming scholarly consensus.”
Check the most widely accepted ratings for yourself at this site: http://www.americanpresidents.org/survey/historians/
You’ll find that Carter is rated at 22nd, not the worst. Clinton’s rated at 21st and Bush’s dad is at 20.
August 17th, 2007 at 6:22 pmYou’ll find that Carter is rated at 22nd, not the worst. Clinton’s rated at 21st and Bush’s dad is at 20.
Hahaha! Clinton is 41st in ‘moral authority’!
August 17th, 2007 at 6:36 pmYeah, Clinton didn’t do himself any favors in the “moral” department. He is in the top 10 in two other catagories and 11th in another one, so he definitely would have been rated much higher if conservatives hadn’t exposed his sexual problems.
August 17th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHey, m12, since you’re interested in these historical rankings, check out who’s in the top 5. Every single one of them, in their own way was a progressive.
August 17th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIf you say so! By your own list, Ronald Reagan is tops in 3 categories and 11th in a 4th!
August 17th, 2007 at 6:44 pmYes, Reagan is rated very highly. Get it? That’s one reason why I use it. People can’t dismiss it as partisan liberal. If you look back, it was a response to someone who stated that Carter was the worst President.
By the way, the WaPo published information on the preliminary thinking on where the current president will fall in these rankings and it’s not looking good. Most of the historians involved believe he will be in the bottom five.
August 17th, 2007 at 7:05 pmBy the way, the WaPo published information on the preliminary thinking on where the current president will fall in these rankings and it’s not looking good. Most of the historians involved believe he will be in the bottom five.
On what grounds, exactly? If Lyndon Johnson got a 1 ranking in Congressional relations for his strongarm tactics, Bush 43 deserves at least the 2 spot, if not the 1 in that category!
August 18th, 2007 at 12:19 am“If they want to erect a statue of Reagan somewhere, why not at “his†airport (Reagan National)? Perhaps by the air control tower?”
Good idea – that way John Travolta will have something other than passenger jets to aim at…
August 18th, 2007 at 12:42 amThe markets are not doing well, they are on the verge of crashing.
Hmm? You look at a couple weeks in the course of 27 years? When is this crash coming, exactly?
Please do tell, I’ve heard about this doomsday economy from the left since 2005!
Comment by m12 — August 17, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Right now your markets are being held up by a reduced interest rate and high volumes of money being pumped into them from the Federal reserve.
Where do you think that money is coming from?
America’s credit card is being run up, in order to pump money into America’s finance industry without actually, clearing those loans.
The net result is that America has to pay more in interest, and eventually, will run out of credit. This, when it is seen in individuals, or other countries is called the debt trap, and you Republicans, have ever since Reagan been running America right into it.
Of course a liberal approach, would be to have the government buy the debt, drop the interest rates on those loans and work out easier repayment options. But then this would help people, which is totally
August 18th, 2007 at 8:36 amagainst neoconservative ideals. The government should only, after all, interfere in the free market to help corporations shouldn’t it?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThe net result is that America has to pay more in interest, and eventually, will run out of credit. This, when it is seen in individuals, or other countries is called the debt trap, and you Republicans, have ever since Reagan been running America right into it.
Why? Do you think the economy will stop growing? Why is our debt so bad when Japan has 3x the debt we have relative to their GDP.
Of course a liberal approach, would be to have the government buy the debt, drop the interest rates on those loans and work out easier repayment options. But then this would help people
Help who, exactly?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:35 pmHey, m12, since you’re interested in these historical rankings, check out who’s in the top 5. Every single one of them, in their own way was a progressive.
Let’s check out the top 10.
How so? Because they led our nation into the wars of Korea and Vietnam, like Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson?
Because they unilaterally suspended habeas corpus like Lincoln? Or the Espionage and Sedition Acts like Wilson?
Or FDR’s court packing scheme?
Lefties whine about all these things……
August 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThe Republicans are reduced to worshiping graven images of their fabricated leaders.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmWhy? Do you think the economy will stop growing? Why is our debt so bad when Japan has 3x the debt we have relative to their GDP.
Because a big chunk of your debt is with a nation which is a historic enemy of America, beating you in two wars, has a lose history with copyright, and is currently supplying goods (tyres, toothpaste, toys, hotel soap, sweets, sea food, pet food etc…) to America, which are downright dangerous.
Eventually America will put its foot down, and China will call its debt. It has a massive axe over your heads and no qualms about the welfare of its people. It is also a restrictive economy able to survive massive impacts and even benefit from them, as demonstrated by the Asian market crisis.
And no, your growth will not carry on forever, it never does. The economy corrects every now and then and you need to be able to fund the lean years.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHelp who, exactly?
Comment by m12 — August 18, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Okay, first it helps the companies involved. They get a market for what would otherwise be bad debts (Thus reducing their losses.)
Then it helps the people who owe the debt, because they don’t go broke and instead a plan gets made to help them pay off the debt.
Third it helps the Fed itself, because ultimately, debt always gets sold at a marked down price – thus helping reduce the need for higher taxes in the future.
This is as opposed to flooding the finance market with billions of dollars which only helps the largely irrelevant share price. Companies only get the money made from selling their shares when they sell them.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmWill he be nude, wearing only a sword, and astride a horse?
August 18th, 2007 at 9:28 pm#157
Comment by Bruce Gorton — August 18, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Of course a liberal approach of letting the government run the economy doesn’t work because government run economies don’t work….they never have. Letting the government be the loan officer is a bad idea.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:00 amTracy
Lets see Tracy:
Your way, is just throwing money at the problem. No less expensive and it doesn’t do anything about the problem except keep share prices artificially high.
My solution actually entails doing something about it.
Oh, and why don’t you ask university students who take government loans whether it is such a bad idea to allow government to be a loan officer?
Your trouble is you hate government. You are an anarchist who thinks that because government does something it is always bad, whereas government, particularly when run by people who do not hate everything about it, has made massive contributions to America.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 am#165 – “Letting the government be the loan officer is a bad idea.” Comment by Tracy — August 19, 2007 @ 12:00 am
I agree. We should stop approving “loans” for the war of occupation in Iraq. That will help.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:35 amDemocratic presidents are better for the economy than Republican presidents.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081707N.shtml
http://www.forbes.com/ home/ commerce/ 2004/ 07/ 20/ cx_da_0720presidents.html
Comment by pete — August 17, 2007 @ 11:49 am
August 20th, 2007 at 8:18 am