Comments on: ‘Good reason to be skeptical’ of ‘dog and pony’ Iraq visits. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:46:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021894 MapleStreet Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:57:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021894 I think I've got a great idea: Let's build a sound stage in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. Put the reporters on an airplane, have it fly around in circles, and (after 10 hours) tell them that it landed in Baghdad (although it really landed at the sound stage). As we have no idea of the culture of Iraq, we could hire a mob of Russians to stand around inn Arab garb, speak Russian (after all, we'll never notice the difference), and pretend to be Arab merchants selling rugs. Alternately, we could supplement the cast with Mexicans who are waiting to be deported. Each week, we could run through at least 20 Congress Critters. Am I missing anything ? I think I’ve got a great idea:

Let’s build a sound stage in the middle of a wasteland somewhere. Put the reporters on an airplane, have it fly around in circles, and (after 10 hours) tell them that it landed in Baghdad (although it really landed at the sound stage).

As we have no idea of the culture of Iraq, we could hire a mob of Russians to stand around inn Arab garb, speak Russian (after all, we’ll never notice the difference), and pretend to be Arab merchants selling rugs. Alternately, we could supplement the cast with Mexicans who are waiting to be deported.

Each week, we could run through at least 20 Congress Critters.

Am I missing anything ?

]]> By: Free RePubic Readers Have Sex with Their Mothers http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021801 Free RePubic Readers Have Sex with Their Mothers Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:15:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021801 >the US has deposed $@dd@m (insane tyrrant) and that is clearly an >example of progress. please explain the reason Braindead ROnnie Raygun and RUmsfeld thought armings and allying themselves with Saddam in the 80's was "progress" for the region. Please explain why that logic no longer applies. And yes, he was actually at the height of his brutality when we were allies with him. I'll give you a hint.. it was some of those "radical islambs" we were worried about taking over iraq.... Saddam was brutal but the people now are no better.. you just don't have one iconic dictator to fixate your simple mind on, so you can't fathom that these people could be just as bad or worse than saddam.. and while he was brutal, he wasnt insane.. people who don't behave logically don't go from being born a shepard to running a country for 30 years. >the US has deposed $@dd@m (insane tyrrant) and that is clearly an >example of progress.

please explain the reason Braindead ROnnie Raygun and RUmsfeld thought armings and allying themselves with Saddam in the 80’s was “progress” for the region.

Please explain why that logic no longer applies.

And yes, he was actually at the height of his brutality when we were allies with him.

I’ll give you a hint.. it was some of those “radical islambs” we were worried about taking over iraq….

Saddam was brutal but the people now are no better.. you just don’t have one iconic dictator to fixate your simple mind on, so you can’t fathom that these people could be just as bad or worse than saddam.. and while he was brutal, he wasnt insane.. people who don’t behave logically don’t go from being born a shepard to running a country for 30 years.

]]> By: grumpyhippy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021638 grumpyhippy Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:56:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021638 Liberator - demonically and democratically are not the same. please be sure to speck your chelling. Liberator – demonically and democratically are not the same. please be sure to speck your chelling.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021625 big papa Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:42:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021625 Propped-up-ganderers... Propped-up-ganderers…

]]> By: Probus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021318 Probus Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:19:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021318 Buying carpets while under a heavy guard of US troops in not a sign of progress in Iraq. The latest round of violence in Iraq suggests the surge is not working. Neo-cons needs to accept reality. The Bush doctrine on Iraq is a failure. Buying carpets while under a heavy guard of US troops in not a sign of progress in Iraq. The latest round of violence in Iraq suggests the surge is not working. Neo-cons needs to accept reality. The Bush doctrine on Iraq is a failure.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021303 Dave C Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:10:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021303 I doubt you'll find that the instability of the region as a result of the execution of Saddam yields much comfort in the coming years. So what you call progress will be small comfort for the sh!t that will follow. btw, GWB is viewed as an insane tyrant by much of the world. Reap what you sow. I doubt you’ll find that the instability of the region as a result of the execution of Saddam yields much comfort in the coming years. So what you call progress will be small comfort for the sh!t that will follow. btw, GWB is viewed as an insane tyrant by much of the world. Reap what you sow.

]]> By: Liberator http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021263 Liberator Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:48:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021263 Comment by Dave C — August 18, 2007 @ 4:22 pm Dave C, For some reason TP doesn't want me to go into detail. (You know... because TP is a propaganda machine and all) I will say this: Iraq is, was and always will be a $h!t-hole, however, the US has deposed $@dd@m (insane tyrrant) and that is clearly an example of progress. Comment by Dave C — August 18, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

Dave C,

For some reason TP doesn’t want me to go into detail.

(You know… because TP is a propaganda machine and all)

I will say this:

Iraq is, was and always will be a $h!t-hole, however, the US has deposed $@dd@m (insane tyrrant) and that is clearly an example of progress.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021198 Dave C Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:22:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021198 <em>But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.</em> Liberator, google "undeniable". Many deny that there is any shred of progress in Iraq. It's clearly not undeniable. There is no progress being made. Americans continue to die. The Iraq govt is a shambles. The Iraq army is a joke. There is civil war. Iraqi civilians continue to flee & to die. There are little to no power/water services. Oil production is below pre-war levels. Clearly I won't find any dictionary definition of progress that would be applicable to what's going on in Iraq. Neither will you, that's why you won't answer a simple question... how do YOU define the progress in Iraq that you say is undeniable? But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.

Liberator, google “undeniable”. Many deny that there is any shred of progress in Iraq. It’s clearly not undeniable. There is no progress being made. Americans continue to die. The Iraq govt is a shambles. The Iraq army is a joke. There is civil war. Iraqi civilians continue to flee & to die. There are little to no power/water services. Oil production is below pre-war levels. Clearly I won’t find any dictionary definition of progress that would be applicable to what’s going on in Iraq. Neither will you, that’s why you won’t answer a simple question… how do YOU define the progress in Iraq that you say is undeniable?

]]> By: Liberator http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021193 Liberator Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:17:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021193 dave c, G00gle the following: "define: progress" Educate yourself, bud. dave c,

G00gle the following:

“define: progress”

Educate yourself, bud.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021164 Dave C Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:54:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021164 Liberator, how do YOU define progress. By any dictionary definition there has been no progress in Iraq. You must be using some other dictionary so please define the term as you appear to be using it. By not answering the question you're proving that your definition of progress is what you hear GWB say... if he says there's progress then you accept that. Liberator, how do YOU define progress. By any dictionary definition there has been no progress in Iraq. You must be using some other dictionary so please define the term as you appear to be using it. By not answering the question you’re proving that your definition of progress is what you hear GWB say… if he says there’s progress then you accept that.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021162 Dave C Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:52:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021162 <em>The report that July was “ever so much better” than the previous month was the result of cherrypicking certain months with which to compare.</em> True enough. July/07, worst casualty count for July/06/05/04/03... same for June/07, worse then any previous June... same for May/07, April/07 etc. Now casualties have dropped since May/07 so I assume that Liberator is saying that he's much happier that only 80+ deaths occurred in July rather then the 130+ in May... now that's progress! What's he gonna say if August is higher then July? You can't measure progress on a daily basis. If progress is merely the number of deaths then 2007 is a very bad year indeed. The report that July was “ever so much better” than the previous month was the result of cherrypicking certain months with which to compare.

True enough. July/07, worst casualty count for July/06/05/04/03… same for June/07, worse then any previous June… same for May/07, April/07 etc. Now casualties have dropped since May/07 so I assume that Liberator is saying that he’s much happier that only 80+ deaths occurred in July rather then the 130+ in May… now that’s progress! What’s he gonna say if August is higher then July? You can’t measure progress on a daily basis. If progress is merely the number of deaths then 2007 is a very bad year indeed.

]]> By: Liberator http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021159 Liberator Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:50:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021159 Dave C, If you do not know simple English, I suggest that you buy a dictionary and read a book. That way when you read a word that is unfamiliar to you, you can look up the definition right away. 4th grade starts soon for you, buddy, I bet you are excited knowing that you are going to see all of your friends again! Dave C,

If you do not know simple English, I suggest that you buy a dictionary and read a book. That way when you read a word that is unfamiliar to you, you can look up the definition right away.

4th grade starts soon for you, buddy, I bet you are excited knowing that you are going to see all of your friends again!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-2/#comment-4021157 Marie Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:48:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021157 3706 dead as of yesterday. 80 dead in July. The report that July was "ever so much better" than the previous month was the result of cherrypicking certain months with which to compare. 3706 dead as of yesterday.
80 dead in July.
The report that July was “ever so much better” than the previous month was the result of cherrypicking certain months with which to compare.

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021156 Dave C Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:45:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021156 <em>But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.</em> Liberator, define progress and how you're measuring it. But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.

Liberator, define progress and how you’re measuring it.

]]> By: Liberator http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021151 Liberator Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:43:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021151 Comment by shane — August 18, 2007 @ 3:34 pm I don't believe any of the idiots who report from Iraq. I look at the numbers (US soldier deaths have been decreasing, last month sectarian violence was down, etc. etc.) and I know that progress is definitely being made. But we will all have a better idea of just how much progress has been made when we hear from Gen. Petraeus. Comment by shane — August 18, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

I don’t believe any of the idiots who report from Iraq. I look at the numbers (US soldier deaths have been decreasing, last month sectarian violence was down, etc. etc.) and I know that progress is definitely being made. But we will all have a better idea of just how much progress has been made when we hear from Gen. Petraeus.

]]> By: shane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021134 shane Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:34:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021134 This sounds like one news rag trying to smear another, it’s all part of the game. But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq. Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:07 pm Really, it seems that anybody with common sense could figure out what Finer is saying is the truth. And it sounds like you trolls are bashing Ware because he isn't telling Bushco's lies. This sounds like one news rag trying to smear another, it’s all part of the game. But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.

Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:07 pm

Really, it seems that anybody with common sense could figure out what Finer is saying is the truth. And it sounds like you trolls are bashing Ware because he isn’t telling Bushco’s lies.

]]> By: Liberator http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021105 Liberator Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:07:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021105 This sounds like one news rag trying to smear another, it's all part of the game. But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq. This sounds like one news rag trying to smear another, it’s all part of the game. But when it comes down to it, there is undeniable progess being made in Iraq.

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021095 ronjazz Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:03:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021095 Micheal Ware never leaves the green zone and his stories are written by Al Qaeda stringers. Michale Yon is the reporter of record in Iraq. Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am They have been caught in their lies and disinformation campaign, red-handed, and O'Hanlon was forced to admit he was a liar, frank. like I said, you're always wrong. Micheal Ware never leaves the green zone and his stories are written by Al Qaeda stringers.

Michale Yon is the reporter of record in Iraq.

Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am

They have been caught in their lies and disinformation campaign, red-handed, and O’Hanlon was forced to admit he was a liar, frank. like I said, you’re always wrong.

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021093 ronjazz Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021093 Micheal Ware never leaves the green zone and his stories are written by Al Qaeda stringers. Michale Yon is the reporter of record in Iraq. Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am why would anybody believe an ignorant chickenhawk like you, frank? all you bring to the table is Opposite Day, you're consistently and embarrassingly wrong, all the time. do you work for Al Qaeda, like Bush and Cheny? Micheal Ware never leaves the green zone and his stories are written by Al Qaeda stringers.

Michale Yon is the reporter of record in Iraq.

Comment by Frank J — August 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am

why would anybody believe an ignorant chickenhawk like you, frank? all you bring to the table is Opposite Day, you’re consistently and embarrassingly wrong, all the time. do you work for Al Qaeda, like Bush and Cheny?

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-4021088 katy Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:56:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/good-reason-to-be-skeptical-of-dog-and-pony-iraq-visits/#comment-4021088 <em>Comment by michael — August 18, 2007 @ 2:33 pm</em> oh no... there's not enough ??? so you must be the "good, daytime michael"... you should make an adjustment to your name... the other day you got pummelled here, a case of mistaken identity... there is an annoying obnoxious trooll who posts as "michael"... not sure how that can happen, but there are 2 michaels... just so you know... ... Comment by michael — August 18, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

oh no… there’s not enough ??? so you must be the
“good, daytime michael”…
you should make an adjustment to your name…
the other day you got pummelled here, a case of mistaken identity…
there is an annoying obnoxious trooll who posts as “michael”…
not sure how that can happen, but there are 2 michaels…

just so you know…
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