Congress Calls For Hearings Into Administration’s Disastrous Recovery At Crandall Canyon Mine
Congress Calls For Hearings Into Administration’s Disastrous Recovery At Crandall Canyon Mine
Thursday night, three rescue workers died while trying to rescue six men trapped in the Crandall Canyon mine since a massive cave-in on Aug. 6. This second cave-in injured six other rescue workers. Many experts are now questioning why the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) allowed “anyone, including rescuers, into the still-dangerous mine.”
Yesterday, Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the Chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, and U.S. Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), the Chairwoman of the House Subcommittee on Workforce Protections, signaled that they will conduct hearings into the administration’s response to this recent mine tragedy:
The unfolding tragedy at the Crandall Canyon Mine has once again raised serious questions about mine safety and what we must do to improve it. The Education and Labor Committee intends to answer those questions by investigating and convening hearings at the appropriate time. Obviously, right now the only job that matters is the job of reaching the six trapped miners while limiting, as much as possible, the risk to rescuers.
At the center of this tragic recovery process is the head of MSHA, Richard Stickler. In 2006, President Bush recess-appointed Stickler, a former Murray Beth Energy executive, whom the Senate had twice rejected because the mines he managed “incurred injury rates double the national average.” Stickler has also stated that he believes no new laws or regulations are needed for mine safety.
By law, MSHA is supposed to be in charge of managing the Utah mine tragedy. But Stickler has largely stepped aside and allowed the mine’s owner, Bob Murray, to control the disaster. It took MSHA at least two days to gain public control of the situation. On Aug. 7 press briefing, Murray used a media appearance to criticize global warming proponents, and only later “emphasized that his heart and his priorities are with the trapped miners and their families.”
Despite the Bush administration’s promises to improve mine safety after the Sago mine disaster in Jan. 2006, 40 miners were killed on the job last year, more than any year since 2001. Many of the reforms passed after Sago will not go into effect until 2009.
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Way to go Sticky.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmHeck of a job, Rich!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
ugh.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pm!
2009 !!!
what’s the hurry???
August 18th, 2007 at 2:09 pm.
This is why Democrats in Congress have a filthy and humiliating “approval” rating of a crappy 16% (twice as low as Bush for the progressive dolts who failed math): because all they do is insanely hold pointless and laughable investigations into everything from what Bush had for breakfast to the shape and size of Gonzales’ stool. Democratic wrongdoers have conducted something like hundreds of “investigations” (read: grandstanding) since January, and the result is a public pissed at them. This atrocious plan by overzealous and ideological Dems (Woolsey and Miller) to point the finger at Bush is an abuse of investigations. Here’s why the 3 rescuers would also have died, even if MSHA did step in: because the mine had another seismic form of activity which was uncontrollable. Further, bringing in MSHA would worsen the search because it would be gov’t bureaucracy; the owner, Murray, can do a better job since he knows his mines.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pmLarryNobody … are you Karl Rove in disguise?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pmlet’s just repeat this:
In 2006, President Bush recess-appointed Stickler, a former Murray Energy executive, whom the Senate had twice rejected because the mines he managed “incurred injury rates double the national average.â€
the republicRAT senate…
and this murray guy is gonna get called out too…
this was a very bad deal…
August 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pm…
investigations into everything from what Bush had for breakfast to the shape and size of Gonzales’ stool.
well, i sure am glad we aren’t hearing about THOSE!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmwhew…
“This atrocious plan by overzealous and ideological Dems (Woolsey and Miller) to point the finger at Bush is an abuse of investigations.”
After Whitewater, you have no credibility to speak about abusive investigations.
None.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHa ha!
Here’s another doofus who never had the sense to wonder
“What were my parents thinking?”
…and change his name.
Dick Stickler
LOL
August 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pmAt the center of this tragic recovery process is the head of MSHA, Richard Stickler. In 2006, President Bush recess-appointed Stickler, a former Murray Energy executive,…
That tells you everything you need to know.
More incompetence. Heck of a job, Brownie!
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August 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIn 2006, President Bush recess-appointed Stickler, a former Murray Energy executive, whom the Senate had twice rejected because the mines he managed “incurred injury rates double the national average.â€
Rejected twice by the Senate? Isn’t that one of the requirements for a Bush Medal of Freedom?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:21 pmand, that “seismic form of activity“?
that was the mountain collapsing in on itself, in slow motion…
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmstill…
because the mine had another seismic form of activity which was uncontrollable. Further, bringing in MSHA would worsen the search because it would be gov’t bureaucracy; the owner, Murray, can do a better job since he knows his mines.
Comment by LarryNobody — August 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
The sesmic activity was from the collapsing of the supports under pressure just like it was in the original accident. Obviously you missed Murray’s press coference where he showed himself to be batshit crazy.
In addition, if congress were to put impeachment back on the table approval ratings would go up immediately. And the 16% approval isn’t just for the Democrats its for the entire congress. If your guys left and we had a veto proof majority ratings would also go up.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI am confused, why would you want goventment personnel handling the lost miners instead of the people who actually know what they are doing- you are trying to pass blame where blame isnt due
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmLarryNobody … are you Karl Rove in disguise?
Sounds more like Bob Murray in disguise. Look at this absurd line: “the owner, Murray, can do a better job since he knows his mines.” What makes you think this jerk knows squat about his mines? Think he ever goes into one of them except for a photo-op?
Good luck getting traction here with your lame post, loser.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmMore cronies, more bodies. Seems like a directly proportional relationship.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:23 pmYeah Larry Nobody. Let’s not hold any more of those pesky Congressional investigations. After all, we’re dealing with the Great Decider and his long, long list of triumphs such as this latest one. Who needs the Congress, unless it’s to rubber stamp the excretions of the great monkey god? And let’s pay attention now to polls of Congress, even though we don’t ever want to pay attention to any of the polling for Mr. Chimps.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:23 pmman this is soo stupid
August 18th, 2007 at 2:24 pmI am confused, why would you want goventment personnel handling the lost miners instead of the people who actually know what they are doing- you are trying to pass blame where blame isnt due
Comment by sinbin — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
I suppose it is beyond the puny imagination of the Bush worshippers that a government could actually put COMPETENT people in charge of a government function.
Oh, I forgot: the goal of the Bush administration is to perform as incompetently as possible, in an effort to convince people that government doesn’t work (except for starting illegal wars, opening secret prisons, torturing people, looting the Treasury, and gutting the Constitution).
August 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pmthe owner, Murray, can do a better job since he knows his mines.
Comment by LarryNobody — August 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6589559
Murray’s Galatia mine in southern Illinois racked up at least 2,787 violations and more than $2.4 million in proposed fines from the Mine Safety and Health Administration over a two-year span, according to government records. That includes more than $1.4 million in proposed fines already this year.
(Murray routinely challenges government fines and many are now on appeal. He has paid $588,000 and is delinquent on $116,000.)
“That would really raise a red flag to me if I was an inspector going to those mines,” said Bruce Dial, a former federal mine safety officer.
Care to restate your basic position, Larry??
August 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI am confused, why would you want goventment personnel handling the lost miners instead of the people who actually know what they are doing- you are trying to pass blame where blame isnt due
Comment by sinbin — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Back in the old days, befor Bushco politicized every office, government personnel had expertise in these areas. Bush puts incompetents in at every level and then his followers ask why we’d want the government to intervene. The stupidity is staggering.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThe black hearted little troll’s are going to come out again and blame the messenger’s..They will point out all the investigation’s as a Dem problem….LOL.Bottom line, this entire administration has infected, distroyed and dismanteled every agency and imposed their ignorant cronies into job’s they have never been qualafied to do….There is not one good thing that bull shit bush and his evil handler’s have done. Not one….Every thing they have touched has turned to shit and people have died, our constitution, country and the world are worse off for the stealing of the white house and all our treasures……Untill we remove this cancerious bunch we will continue to spiral into a black hole of their madness…..Jail them all and attach their asset’s…..Blessings
August 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmhandling the lost miners instead of the people who actually know what they are doing
Uh, if they knew what they were doing, why are six miners dead?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pmEr, make that nine miners dead!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pmman this is soo stupid
Comment by sinbin — August 18, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Even you realized it. Keep trying.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pmCare to restate your basic position, Larry??
Comment by Empire Burlesque — August 18, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Probably not. Larry is a very confused person. It is doubtful he even understands his basic position.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pmJail them all and attach their asset’s
How bout attaching their asses… to an anchor and tossing them overboard somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pmIt is really hard for me to imagine how anyone could defend Murray with all that is known at this stage. The guy is a world class jerk.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“I suppose it is beyond the puny imagination of the Bush worshippers that a government could actually put COMPETENT people in charge of a government function.”
Bush: the Certs of American politics.
“It’s a corrupt adminstration.”
“No, it’s an incompetent administration.”
August 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pmOr Reese’s:
You’ve gotten corruption on my incompetence!
No, you’ve gotten incompetence in my corruption!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAre we safer yet?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pmRetreat Mining Done At Utah Mine
18th of August 2007
by Jay Randal
Bob Murray, the CEO of Murray Energy Corp., lied to the press about the Crandall Canyon Mine collapse being caused by earthquake, because it was caused by pulling out pillars of coal in retreat mining operation.
Retreat mining is highly dangerous practice of pulling out the support pillars of coal, as last ditch operation to recover remaining coal from a mine, which causes the mine’s roof to collapse as pillars of coal removed.
Mountain over the Crandall Canyon Mine pancaked down unexpectedly during a retreat mining operation, most likely crushing to death the miners involved in it, so they were victims of Murray’s criminal negligence.
The geologic bedrock of the mountain over the mine is too unstable to safely extract coal, by retreat mining methods, so doing that type of extraction at Crandall Canyon Mine led to the collapse and burying of miners.
This mining accident must be investigated as a crime!
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
August 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmRUCerious, Yep!…I know of a 20 foot deep water hole in a peat bog lake that would work just as good….Even have a bunch of cinder block’s and rope to donate to the cause….LOL….Blessings, we realy need them…Many Blessings to all the troop’s, their famalies and all the miner’s as well….We are in dreadful time’s..
August 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAre we safer yet?
Comment by Nell — August 18, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Indeed, why does “Safety” hate America so?
Hey, everybody, the Freedom Fries are flowing!!! Time to chow down!!!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:43 pmStickler worked for Massey Energy not Murray Energy
August 18th, 2007 at 2:55 pmOh, I forgot: the goal of the Bush administration is to perform as incompetently as possible, in an effort to convince people that government doesn’t work (except for starting illegal wars, opening secret prisons, torturing people, looting the Treasury, and gutting the Constitution).
Comment by VerbalKint
August 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmwith your party in charge of congress, its amazing you guys arent getting anything done
Thanks Jay. And the amount of coal retrieved from retreat mining is negligible and only a pig would go after what was left. I guess that’s why Murray had to hire workers from Mexico, because any experienced miner wouldn’t want to take the risk.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:01 pmwith your party in charge of congress, its amazing you guys arent getting anything done
Comment by tony — August 18, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Because of Republican obstructionism.
I view comments like this as a low attempt at taunting Democrats about the outrageous obstruction of the GOP.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmComment by VerbalKint
with your party in charge of congress, its amazing you guys arent getting anything done
Comment by tony — August 18, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Well if Bushboy didn’t threaten to veto every bill or cry executive privilege every two minutes maybe something would be accomplished.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmshane > experienced miners would refuse to carry out retreat mining at the Crandall Canyon Mine because of safety concerns. Murray used a brand new group of miners to do the operation. They had no idea of the consequences. He killed them.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:04 pmBy the way, tony, Republican obstructionism is going to cost your party dearly in the next election. Keep repeating after me: permanent minority status.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:07 pmAlso shane all the coal that could be extracted by traditional methods at that mine had already been removed. Murray purchased the mine to remove the support pillars of coal by retreat mining. This tragedy is now a huge scandal for Murray, Stickler, and for Bush.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:08 pmBob Murray reminds me too much of KKKarl Rove. Nothing but lies, propaganda and self-serving bullshit.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pmComment by tony — August 18, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Cleaning up the shitstorm left behind by your Treason party will take years. Prgress can’t be made until every republican is sent packing. As soon as that happens, Dems approval ratings will be above 90%, and the people will be represented, rather than the traitorous 1%.
I am confused, why would you want goventment personnel handling the lost miners instead of the people who actually know what they are doing- you are trying to pass blame where blame isnt due
Comment by sinbin — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm”
a) Yes, you are confused
b) 9 dead so far. anything else you want these experts to handle?
August 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pmA deep mine like Crandall Canyon can only pull out about 50% of the coal seam safely. The remaining 50% of the coal seam are left to support the mine ceiling. Retreat Mining can extract up to another 30% of the remaining coal, but the risks are enormous. Murray wanted that coal.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:16 pm#
This is why Democrats in Congress have a filthy and humiliating “approval†rating of a crappy 16% (twice as low as Bush for the progressive dolts who failed math):
Lies, lies, lies, easily refuted here: http://tinyurl.com/23j2m6
Among the interesting *FACTS* (as opposed to the thoroughly discredited lie of 16%) is that Republican congressmen have a 6 point lower rating than Democrats.
Here’s why the 3 rescuers would also have died, even if MSHA did step in: because the mine had another seismic form of activity which was uncontrollable. Further, bringing in MSHA would worsen the search because it would be gov’t bureaucracy; the owner, Murray, can do a better job since he knows his mines.
Comment by LarryNobody — August 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Absolutely right. Murray should go down the mine himself and get them out. Alone.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI think we should leave such dangerous industries as mining to the industries discreation. You can’t go letting “big government” get in the way with all their rules and safety nonsense afterall.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmMurray is a murderer and crazy as a loon. MSHA should have protected the rescuers from this lunatic.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmAbsolutely right. Murray should go down the mine himself and get them out. Alone.
Comment by gummitch — August 18, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
And maybe he should take LarryNobody with him.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:23 pmThe 6 original trapped miners were most likely crushed to death the moment they pulled out one of the pillars of coal. Murray knows they were killed, but he fooled the press into believing a rescue was possible. That cost the lives of 3 more miners. The bodies of the six might be entombed in the mine for all eternity. I pray for their families.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:29 pmAnd maybe he should take LarryNobody with him.
Comment by shane — August 18, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Maybe Murray could figure out who LarryNobody is and let Larry in on it. He seems to think he’s also:
Comment by Stewartgoodforhumanshield — August 17, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Comment by Libsaregirliemenwithnoballs — August 17, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Comment by LiberalismisaMentalDisorder — August 17, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
August 18th, 2007 at 3:30 pmCheck the tapes. Bob Murray has been in total CYA mode from the beginning, focusing like a laser beam on making sure that the press bought his spin about a natural earthquake. The safety of his miners was always an afterthought.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pmshane > Murray is a greedy unethical person, so getting the coal for more profits outweighed any concern about safety for miners.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pmDid anyone expect Bush to step up to the plate and forfeit funds for anything other than his rich ‘halve mores’ and his illegal invasion/massacre now occupation? We have Katrina, crumbling bridges and it is clearly exposed now the shameful conditions of the mining industry.
We have 520 days left with this clown.
What else are we in for?
August 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmWe have 520 days left with this clown.
What else are we in for?
Comment by had enough — August 18, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
That’s an awful lot of time to wreak havoc….
August 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThe 6 original trapped miners were most likely crushed to death the moment they pulled out one of the pillars of coal.
Comment by Jay Randal — August 18, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
I know nothing of the current mining technologies as related to worker safety. I was wondering why we can’t equip workers with some sort of monitor which transmits a signal indicating a pulse. When I was at sea we had epurbs which atleast identified the vessel in distress. It seems that it would not be that hard to do and if no signal was being sent rescues could become recoveries and moneys and risk to rescuers might be reduced. I realize that after putting men on the moon we still can’t make a diet soda that tastes good or take a standardized test without a number 2 pencil but still it seems something could be done. Regrets to all the families and respect to the folks who do this crap work so that so many others can squander energy resources without thought
August 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI say the Administration should call for a hearing regarding the disastrous DemocRAT Majority Congress!
August 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmOf course hearings must be held – anyone who thinks not is simply longing for the first six years of the Bush administration when nothing was investigated.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe Bush history of neutering OSHA, eliminating unions, and favoring owners with his recess appointments is being laid bare.
The records of Murray and Stickler alone are suftficient to warrant an investigation into their mining policies and safety measures.
The problem will come when, if there is fault to be found, nothing will be done after the posturing is done and the media have lost interest.
This incident is a canary in a coal mine if there ever was one.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI agree the Democratic Congress has pretty much sucked ass.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmYup. The Democrat Party is the ass sucking party.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:52 pmCanary in the coal mine may be a trite phrase, but it is certainly appropriate here.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWe are beginning to see the collapse of infrastructure in our own country because of neglect from Bush&Co.
Billions for the war, the war profiteers, and CEOs, but little for highways, bridges, mines, etc.
Weren’t governors at the White House recently exclaiming that we were in for a national crisis because federal funds have been drastically cut.
Murray: Look over there global warming enthusiasts!
Murray: Seismic? Whats that – more global warming nonsense?
Murray: Go down in that hell ho..err mine, are you feckin nuts?
Murray: I hire people to know my holes, LarryNobody is one of them.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pmIm in the airport right now flying back to new york I wasted a flight to Texas to box Wayne and he never showed up Im still on my lap top at the airport using wireless internet
August 18th, 2007 at 4:09 pmYup. The
August 18th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDemocratConPERVative Party is the child predator party. We suck so much sucking suck the people voted our sucking sucky suck asses out. -Comment by Liberatortest
August 18th, 2007 at 4:12 pmWhat’s up, Dr. Dog?!
August 18th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHello Liberator Im at the Austin-Bergstrom airport waiting on my flight back home I wasted a trip out to Texas to box Wayne and he never showed up I gave him about 2 hours to show up and he never did no police officers were there either to referee as Wayne said he would The boxing ring was also not reserved Wayne never reserved it as he said he would
August 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pmIm in the airport right now flying back to new york I wasted a flight to Texas to box Wayne and he never showed up Im still on my lap top at the airport using wireless internet
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Yeah, keep up the lies. We have third party proof that you never showed.
Get lost.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:17 pmDr. Dog,
That sucks man! I can’t believe he faked on you like that.
You never received a fax from him either, did you?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pmIm in the airport right now flying back to new york I wasted a flight to Texas to box Wayne and he never showed up Im still on my lap top at the airport using wireless internet
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Try swinging by Philly. The Rocky staue seems an even intellectual even. You two could spar a bit. When your done I suggest a cheez wit at the corner of 9th and Passiunc (sp)
August 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pmMr Pee is talking to himself — again.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pmYup. The Democrat Party is the ass sucking party.
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Man, you are such a talented ventriloquist. You actually made it seem as though your voice was coming out of your own rear end. Uh… that was a trick, right? IT’S NOT???? Whoa…
August 18th, 2007 at 4:28 pmDr. Dog:
August 18th, 2007 at 4:29 pmSorry for the many typos but anyway if you get to Philly I hear the Mummers museum is cool. Safe flight?
Liberator, nope he never sent a fax either big surprise right TROS just violated every one of his own rules by responding to you
August 18th, 2007 at 4:29 pmI say the Administration should call for a hearing regarding the disastrous DemocRAT Majority Congress!
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Sorry, they’re too busy taking the 5th, claiming ED, and gettin’ all lawyered for Jan 2009!!!
Pop quiz for GOOPers everywhere… Which foreign countries do NOT have extradition treaties w/ the US???
August 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pmMassey Energy and Murray Energy are not that far apart in their relationship. Long read, but lets one look into the shallow soul of Bob Murray.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmDr. Dog,
August 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWhat flight you waiting on?
I’ll come pick you up from the airport.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmiberator, nope he never sent a fax either big surprise right TROS just violated every one of his own rules by responding to you
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
Yep, gonna do it again, Dawg… do you have ANY idea how hard folks are laughing at you right now? Every bit as much as the time Mr P claimed Saudis weren’t Moslems. You guys are HYSTERICAL!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Now, if the Bush Admin weren’t such corrupt, incompetent, homicidal loons, they’d be as funny as you guys!
August 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmI wonder why all the Bush apologists seem to have US addresses, instead of Iraq. I thought they were all patriots.
Maybe they are all draft-dodging sissies, like Dubya.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pm“with your party in charge of congress, its amazing you guys arent getting anything done
Comment by tony “
The Democrats would be getting plenty done if it wasn’t for the “it deserves an up or down vote” Rethugs who are filibustering anything they try to do. And then, Bush has found his veto pen after 6 years in office.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmHey Dog,
I just had you paged at the Austin-Bergstrom airport. Why didn’t you answer?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThat sucks man! I can’t believe he faked on you like that.
You never received a fax from him either, did you?
Comment by Liberator
Look at katy’s posts in previous thread.
She called Bruces’ KO
Verified Bruces has NO wireless or any other internet there.
Asked to talk to me and I talked to her.
You really think I should fax my personal data to a liar, who said he would also post my personal data online?
Why don’t you fax him YOUR personal data?
Ok off to the airport, to catch my flight. I will stop by and see if Dog it at the NY terminal./snicker
August 18th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI’m wearing a grey T with the text with a Harley graphic.
If you’re really there i’ll pay for your ticket, just say hey, Dog-breath.
(yeah, right)
That’s odd… where’d the Dawg go? He was here just a minute ago???
August 18th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThat’s odd… where’d the Dawg go? He was here just a minute ago???
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
His flight must have been called………yeah right….
August 18th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWayne I will be at Mangia Pizza for about 30 more minutes bring your release papers its at the west food court you have one more chance to keep your word to me
August 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Mom let you have your internet connection back?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmHis flight must have been called………yeah right….
Comment by dlet — August 18, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Actually, I think I heard him mutter something about going to the vet’s to get “tutored”, so he’d be smarter ‘n all that…
August 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmDr. Dog,
August 18th, 2007 at 4:41 pmJust for the curious….again…what’s the flight you are trying to catch? It should be right there on your ticket.
Wayne I will be at Mangia Pizza for about 30 more minutes bring your release papers its at the west food court you have one more chance to keep your word to me
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
He must be googling businesses in Austin, to make it look like he’s really there. The “tutoring” must have worked.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:41 pmTROS just violated every one of his own rules by responding to you
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
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Yep. Liberalism is self-defeating, and contrary to nature.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOkay Dog. Any 12 year old could have come up with a fake flight by now….
August 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmP-dawg, you suck at this.
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/austinairport/dining2.htm
now if only it were true. i could have finally met you, p.
sniveler.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmDr. Dog:
August 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmI really feel bad for you that you have spent your hard earned dollars/time on such a fool’s errand. In general the electronic world and the real one are usually quite different. Try to learn from this lest you end up losing it all to a Nigerian scam or law enforcement posing as children willing to do it with you. Hope that helps. Enjoy your flight.
Yep. Liberalism is self-defeating, and contrary to nature.
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Why do I get this weird feeling Dr Dog is talking to himself?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:47 pmTold ya he googled the airport to make it look like he was there.
That “tutoring” really paid off. Now, if he would only stop licking his own…
August 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pmdlet = alp3
It is the same libtroll.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity
Dr. Dog is in a circle jerk….sans circle.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:51 pmSorry, they’re too busy taking the 5th, claiming ED, and gettin’ all lawyered for Jan 2009!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 18, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
They’re claiming Erectile Dysfunction???
August 18th, 2007 at 4:52 pmSo trolls want to meet us at airports now to punch our lights out?
August 18th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThey’re claiming Erectile Dysfunction???
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 18, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Sadly, yes… Wayne!!! You’re back, but then, so am I!!!
August 18th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhy are we always taking action after the fact..after people die ..disaster after disaster…Congress is going to investigate another disaster after the fact. Who in the hell is doing any “Planning”, looking forward….
What congress needs to do is insure that every non-elected postion in our government can not be filled by incompetent cronys, who are ill equipped or incompetent to manage/handle the job.. Every non-elected federal government position should have detailed job requirements /qualifications that a person MUST have to qualify for the job, such as, the proper education, training, experience, demonstrated positive proof of required job skills, a history of good judgement, personal integrity and a demonstrated committment to “the people” and what is best for us and this country…
No one should be able to be appointed by the President, Congress or in a recess appointments that does not meet the job /qualifications.
If this were done, Gonzales would not be the Attorney General, Stickler would not be in his job…Heckuva job Brownie would not have been in FEMA, Chernoff would not be head of Homeland Security..Rice would not be Secretary of State.. Roberts would not be on the Supreme Court..Rove would not have been in any of the positions he held and certainly would not have been the one to oversee Katrina rebuilding.. Harriet Miers could not have even been considered for the Supreme court position…etc. etc. etc… The list is a mile long with this administration.
Until the incompetent croynism problem is solved all the congressional investigations in the world will not solve a thing…..
August 18th, 2007 at 4:57 pmSadly, yes… Wayne!!! You’re back, but then, so am I!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 18, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
I never really “left” (pun intended), I was monitoring the site for most of the past two weeks hoping to see the changes begged for by the regular progressive/liberal posters. Sadly, that has not come to pass. When I started seeing some of you guys posting again, I figured I might as well throw in my silly two cents worth now and then. I’m still very disappointed at TP for not caring about what their visitors want. I’m still in the dark about what point they’re trying to make by ignoring our requests (for registration, etc.). I’m guessing they don’t care about their reputation, or us.
Well, Mom needs a ride to the store, so I’ll be back later on. Have fun proving Dr. Dog a liar. That was a great move by katy to actually call the gym and talk to Wayne! I enjoyed reading that.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:04 pmLike meeting at a airport to have a fist fight is rational? The security people would freak out calling it a terror attack and shoot you full of lead.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:04 pmThis is the official list of recess appointments made by GWB.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:17 pm#107. Scarey list. If one were to take the time to research these people I would “Bet the Ranch” less than 5% are qualified/competent to handle the positions they were appointed to….
August 18th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThe fact that Stickler is a recess appointment means that he doesn’t have the confidence of the Senate. This issue clearly falls under the authority of the federal government. Bush should have done more to ensure that mine workers are able to work in safety. Instead time and again Bush has sided with mine owners instead of workers whose safety is often disregarded in an effort to bolster profits for the owners.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“I was wondering why we can’t equip workers with some sort of monitor which transmits a signal indicating a pulse. “
That would cost money. The mine owner is interested in his profits, not the lives of the men he has working for him. Any mine owner who would send men to do something as dangerous as Jay Randal describes obviously does not care about the safety of his employees and probably would rather that they are dead. If they are found alive, they can sue him for negligence. I hope the families sue him and close down that mine.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:54 pm“I’m still very disappointed at TP for not caring about what their visitors want. I’m still in the dark about what point they’re trying to make by ignoring our requests (for registration, etc.). I’m guessing they don’t care about their reputation, or us.”
They have promised a registration system but don’t seem to have the talent to make one work. I’m a programmer and I know that it would take a competent web programmer maybe 8 hours to come up with a registration system. It’s been done before. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
I am beginning to doubt their word that they are going to come up with a registration system. I am beginning to think that they like things the way they are now. They can brag that they get threads with 500 comments. No matter that a good 90% of them are trolls or people playing with trolls. They think it makes them look good. What they don’t understand is that they are getting a very bad reputation in the blogging community.
I’m not exactly sure why I’m still here. I think it’s that “moth to the flame” thing. But, I spend a lot less time here now and a lot more time at HP and DKOS since both of them have registration systems and control the off-topic trolls.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:07 pmAm I banned again? Three sends, no result.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThis is an email I received form Faiz on 8/16:
Rather frustrating…..
August 18th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe fate of four of my posts is wierd to say the least. What was the magic word that forced their demise?
August 18th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by WaltTheMan — August 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Thanks for that link, Walt. I updated my most recent blogpost with it.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:25 pm“Still no firm timeline — I think about a month, but I’ve thought that before. I’m more optimistic that it will happen, just not sure when.”
Rather frustrating…..
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
As long as it can’t be measured in Friedman Units I might be patient.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:26 pmPartial Word List:
August 18th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI
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recess
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“… outside consultant …”
good lord, faiz, i sure hope you checked the voting record and/or
campaign contribution list of this “consultant”…
hell, you’ve got several posters right here that could help out…
just know – you can’t be too careful…
August 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pm…
Im in the airport right now flying back to new york I wasted a flight to Texas to box Wayne and he never showed up Im still on my lap top at the airport using wireless internet
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
My comment from the Sestak thread earlier…
Wayne commented on another thread he was headed over to the gym.
Watch Dr. Mutt will claim he “waited†for Wayne and then left..betcha..
Comment by RUCerious — August 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
August 18th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI am down to six words, all of which appear in other posts on this thread.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI am down to six words, all of which appear in other posts on this thread.
Comment by walttheman — August 18, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
I reviewed the list and of the seven words I am believing in “tits”
August 18th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by dbadass — August 18, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
The list I cite August 18, 2007 @ 6:30 pm is the list that made it through and in the last word list that failed did not contain the one you mention.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:58 pmComment by walttheman — August 18, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Oh sorry I was using the wrong list. Carlin is right… Tits is a fun word
August 18th, 2007 at 7:15 pmAm I banned again? Three sends, no result.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 18, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
It was happening to me earlier, Walt. Doesn’t mean anything. Bad tech ju-ju…
August 18th, 2007 at 7:23 pmComment by WaltTheMan — August 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Thanks for that link, Walt. I updated my most recent blogpost with it.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 18, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
You are most welcome, Wayne. I am most happy to help our cause. I usually stay in the background until I see a thread going awry, either way.
August 18th, 2007 at 7:49 pm…mine cuntry (sic) is Bush cuntry…
…and Bush is cursed…
August 18th, 2007 at 7:51 pm*
check out the latest on C&L
It Shouldn’t Have Taken the Deaths of Three Miners to Get the Media to Focus on Mine Safety
August 18th, 2007 at 8:02 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/
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wow liberals will politicize anything wont they. just another hearing that will cause more and more americans to frown upon the worst congress in american history, driving the already record breaking disapproval ratings through the floor.
you would think that no one ever died when clinton was president, not even old people. nope with slicky willy in charge hurricanes didnt happen, earthquakes, tornados, his liberalness just scared them off. we all know bill would hold the mine up with his right hand, while holding the bridge up with his left. keep it up libs, this is exactly why the people of this country are already sick of you: hurrican happens, bush’s fault, bridge breaks, bush’s fault, mine collapses, bush’s fault, earth warming naturally, bush’s fault, my dog died, bush’s fault, got cancer, bush’s fault, fender bender, bush’s fault, stubbed my toe, bush’s fault, lost my keys, bush’s fault, it just never endssss………
August 18th, 2007 at 8:09 pmnow liberals care about coal miners? but those miners helped global warming, so the mine collapsing is just the earth defending itself from the eeeeevil fossil fuel industry.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:11 pmAmericans disapprove of Congress because they haven’t done enough to bring the troops home. Clinton did everything he could to help Americans when national disasters occurred unlike Bush whose response to the aftermath of Katrina was incompetent.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:14 pmClinton didn’t wage a war of choice. He also made sure that domestic spending wasn’t cut when it was necessary. Bush cut infrastructure spending so he could spend millions more in Iraq. The bridge collapse in MN is a result of budget cuts in domestic spending.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:16 pmBush has not done enough to protect mine workers. He has consistently resisted efforts to provide more worker safety for miners. Strickler a recess appointment, is a former mine owner who has resisted efforts to increase worker safety in mines.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:20 pmBush an former oil executive has consistently resisted the dealing with reality when it comes to global warming. As president he should protect the environment which is in the best interest of the American people. Instead he often sides with big oil and energy companies to the detriment of the people.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:22 pmtake your pick:
COVER STORY: Time to Go! Inside the Worst Congress Ever : Rolling …
But the 109th Congress is no mild departure from the norm, no slight deviation in an already-underwhelming history. No, this is nothing less than a historic …
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/ coverstory/worst_congress_ever – 29k –
WireTap Magazine – Worst. Congress. Ever.
Worst. Congress. Ever. By Scott Thill, October 10, 2006 … evidenced conclusion: The 109th Congress is one of the worst in U.S. history, if not the worst. …
http://www.wiretapmag.org/stories/42782/ – 20k –
Scott Thill: Worst. Congress. Ever. Part Duh. – The Huffington Post
Worst. Congress. Ever. “It could be argued that if the 109th Congress … they have done something no other Congress has managed to do in American history: …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/_32330.html – 37k
TPMmuckraker December 8, 2006 11:53 AM
By Justin Rood – December 8, 2006, 11:53 AM Oh, you sweet 109th Congress. … (alleged) whoring and (convicted) extortion, you’re the worst Congress ever. …
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002101.php – 33k –
The Worst Congress Ever » Netscape.com
One leading scholar told Matt Taibbi – author of this issue’s cover story, “The Worst Congress Ever” – that the 109th Congress is so bad, “It makes you …
politics.netscape.com/story/ 2006/10/16/the-worst-congress-ever – 13
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links and more at a google search of “Worst congress in history, 109th”…
August 18th, 2007 at 8:40 pmgo for it…
because all they do is insanely hold pointless and laughable investigations into everything from what Bush had for breakfast to the shape and size of Gonzales’ stool.
Comment by LarryNobody — August 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Yea, whats a couple of dead miners among friends.
Tell you what skippy. Before you go opening your big, fat mouth again, you might consider the fact the the families of those miners, are going to DEMAND an investigation into why the hapless retard you call a president appointed another inbred incompetent bungling moron to oversee the mines.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:40 pmIn fact, why don’t you take a drive out to YooTaw, and head over to the mine entrance, walk up to the families, and tell them they’d better not demand an investigation, because it wasn’t Bush’s fault.
Tell them the idiot Bush appointed was right, and we don’t need any better or stricter mining regulations.
Tell them “thems the breaks”.
Then drop us a note, when you’re out of traction.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:43 pmBush has not done enough to protect mine workers. He has consistently resisted efforts to provide more worker safety for miners. Strickler a recess appointment, is a former mine owner who has resisted efforts to increase worker safety in mines.
Comment by Probus — August 18, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
Stickler worked for Murray, who owns this mine. Murray is a mega wealthy utah SOB, who inherited most of what he has, from his folks. Murray Utah is named after them in fact.
In Utah, Murray is notorious for running shoddy and extremely dangerous mines. He underpays his workers and endangers their lives, still using “retreat mining”, which is the most dangerous form of mining their is.
He’s a pig. Like Ken Lay, another fat, rat bastard, making his money off of others that he could give a crap about. When stickler ran mines for Murray, miners died at TWICE the normal rate, as the article above points out (common knowledge in Yootaw) and appointing him to oversee mine safety was like putting Mark Foley in charge of missing an exploited children, or appointing John Bolton, the least diplomatic man in America, to act as ambassador to the United Nations.
Bush finds the person who possesses the exact opposite skillset for the job, and then puts them in charge of it.
Its criminal is what it is.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:55 pmI can almost agree with some of the trolls’ points, almost. I wouldn’t want a government agency, which has proved it’s ineptitude by allowing this mine to continue operation, to run the rescue effort.
Just another government agency in urgent need of a “new broom”.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:35 pmWell isn’t this just great. Let’s investigate something everyone can agree on or something that doesn’t really make a hill of beans of difference. Why not try investigating something important like the cause of 911, Gonzales’ lies, Cheney’s criminal activities, what the administration is doing funding Halliburton to create concentration camps, if warrantless spying is constitutional, or how the Repugs stole every election since 2000.
The entire government disgusts me. All of them are tools of the Rockefellers and Rothchilds.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThe Democrats would be getting plenty done if it wasn’t for the “it deserves an up or down vote†Rethugs who are filibustering anything they try to do. And then, Bush has found his veto pen after 6 years in office.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 18, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
August 18th, 2007 at 11:11 pmI think you are thinking about the previous congress
Congress Calls For Hearings Into Administration’s Disastrous Recovery At Crandall Canyon Mine – 3 known dead.
How about this headline:
Congress Fails to Call For Hearings Into Administration’s Disastrous Response to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina – over 1,500 known dead.
True!
August 18th, 2007 at 11:19 pmComment by Art — August 18, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
The repugs controlled congress in 2005 and 2006. Memories fade and that’s the truth!
August 18th, 2007 at 11:49 pmAfter re-entering my handle about seven times, I failed to notice that it did not contain the correct cap set. This should fix that
August 18th, 2007 at 11:52 pmMining deaths under clinton rose by over 30% in his last 3 years in office as opposed to Bush who has overseen 3 of the years with the least coal mine fatalities and the year with the very least fatalities occurred on Bush’s watch in 2005!
Opportunistic…. manipulative…., I must be on the left side of the web.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:04 amBlaming a disaster like this on Bush is yet another low for the BDS crowd.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:39 amBush is not blamed for any disaster. He is blamed for his response in helping those affected by it.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:21 amProbus,
The people that work the mine every day are the proper people to take the lead in such specialized work.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:26 amMining comes under federal jurisdiction. The mine owner is in no position to lead the rescue efforts considering he could be held criminally responsible for this tragedy if he found to be negligent.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:33 amHey Dog,
I just had you paged at the Austin-Bergstrom airport. Why didn’t you answer?
Comment by Zooey
After I got to the airport I heard 2 pages for Dr. William Dog. He never went to the desk for the pages.
This is just hilarious.
I am still lmao over this.
recap:
I arrived at Bruce’s at about 11, worked out till 1ish when Dog was supposed to be there. He never showed.
Find out Dog was posting, claiming he was on a fantasy wireless connection sitting in Bruces at 1pm Eastern time, by the time stamps.
Katy called Bruce’s, Talked to Bruce, verified no wireless, asked for me, talked to me there at about 1:00. Dog was not there.
Zooey paged Dog and probably someone else did because I heard 2 after I got there. Dog was not there.
Freaking unreal that a troll can be that stupid and think people can not verify things fairly easily.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:48 amI love it, Wayne. You kicked that Dog’s ass, and never even had to touch him. Nice one.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pmi’m not terribly thrilled with them(dems)myself, but who consistently called for checks and balances in this government(dems) and who consistently called for the always dreaded ‘nuclear’ option and exercised REAL obstructionist threats and ploys and tricks with the always handy smoke and mirrors that left our country in an obvious state of flux-so much so that now a tragic mining ‘accident’ gets less coverage than STILL hillary’s cleavage? the American people get 3 guesses, and i pray to the Great Almighty they get it right and if they do, it ought to be a painful moment for America’s once proud G.O.P.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe repugs controlled congress in 2005 and 2006. Memories fade and that’s the truth!
Comment by walttheman — August 18, 2007
my point was that the majority is back then filibustered as it is now, so to complain that the dems cant get anything done now because of filibusters is Exactly the same situation when the republicans were in the majority
August 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmwhats next , a hearing as to why Hurricane Dean formed?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmI think we need a hearing as to why not one politician knows how to spend less that they bring in, are they all lawyers or did any of them run a business in their life
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmPair the monster depicted in the article (go to link) with the cr*p now running MSHA and you get… the Crandall Canyon Mine disaster. The fact that these pieces of shite are in any way in control of other human lives is nothing short of incredible!
For a taste:
“Shouting at a table full of MSHA officials at their district office in Morgantown, W.Va., Murray said: “Mitch McConnell calls me one of the five finest men in America, and the last I checked, he was sleeping with your boss,” according to notes of the meeting. “They,” Murray added, pointing at two MSHA men, “are gone.”"
Although Murry denied the quote, it came from the MEETING NOTES! Jack@ss! As an aside, my dad worked for MSHA in the 80’s. Now I understand why he used to come home furious and frustrated!
August 19th, 2007 at 7:36 pmand that link is (drum roll)…
http://www.kentucky.com/233/story/11062.html
August 19th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThe people that work the mine every day are the proper people to take the lead in such specialized work.
Comment by Toliver — August 19, 2007 @ 1:26 am
So, you actually think Murray “works” his mine? What a maroon!
August 19th, 2007 at 7:42 pmopen pit mining would have nearly zero death toll. how bout it?
August 19th, 2007 at 11:44 pmLarryNobody @ 5,
I believe you are slightly mistaken about these investigations. I believe the investigations into what Shrub had for breakfast and the size of Gonzo’s stool are one in the same.
Burp.
Your name says it all.
August 20th, 2007 at 3:04 amStickler is about to pull a Brownie.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:07 pm