Sesktak Warns Iraqi Oil Law Contains ‘Undue Ability Of U.S. Oil Companies To Control Iraqi Profits’
Sesktak Warns Iraqi Oil Law Contains ‘Undue Ability Of U.S. Oil Companies To Control Iraqi Profits’
Alternet’s Joshua Holland reported recently, “If passed, the Bush administration’s long-sought ‘hydrocarbons framework’ law would give Big Oil access to Iraq’s vast energy reserves on the most advantageous terms and with virtually no regulation.” The framework law proposes to hand over effective control of as much as 80 percent of the country’s oil wealth.
A recent poll showed that all Iraqi ethnic and sectarian groups across the political spectrum oppose the principles enshrined in the oil law, and 419 Iraqi oil experts, economists and intellectuals recently signed their names to a statement expressing grave concern over the bill. The head of the Iraqi Federation of Union Councils said recently, “If the Iraqi Parliament approves this law, we will resort to mutiny.”
While the Bush administration has prodded the Iraqi government to pass the oil-sharing agreement, few members of Congress have voiced alarms over the details in the current bill. Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) recently told ThinkProgress that more attention needs to be paid to the oil legislation. “Who knows what’s in that,” he said. Sestak continued:
The indications from a draft of several months ago that the Kurds were using, is that…there is an undue ability of our oil companies to control the Iraqi profits by controlling the infrastructure and the wells that are there.
I mean they [U.S. oil companies] are going to get much more, if the draft is correct, of profits than we would under a normal oil sharing agreement, of these oil companies to a country like Saudi Arabia or others. Heaven forbid that at the end of this time, after all this, if we find out that there’s undue advantage given to our oil companies.
Watch it:
In the interview, Sestak also distanced himself from the opinions of Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack. “Even though I have great respect for Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack and their article in the New York Times, I disagree,” said Sestak. He said the security improvements that are being made in Anbar actually pre-date the escalation. Moreover, he argued these improvements in one part of the country don’t mean much if political success can’t follow:
The political situation is the absolute end game. Because even though you might be able to have an improvement in the military security, how long do we have to be there to change the minds, to the change the hearts of the Iraqis?
Transcript:
REP. JOE SESTAK (D-PA): Who has set the metrics of what success is, that, for example, General Petraeus will come back and report, as we heard him give an update two to three weeks ago at the Pentagon via VTC on how we’re doing there. We at Congress should help establish those benchmarks, so what we’re listening to are very sound metrics that can be compared against benchmarks or trends. Take the weapons that you bring up. At one time, we just thought that there might be, which is still a lot, 30,000 missing. Now, 197,000 missing. I don’t think anyone who understands Iraqi society is very surprised that these weapons, which often we have to give to Iraqi citizens, be found to be missing. But the fact that you can’t even track it with proper serial numbers, so that if we find that this Iraqi militia strike, you find a number of weapons there, there’s no serial numbers or others to follow it up, is dismaying. There are so many pieces, so many complex pieces to this Iraqi situation, that I say this tragic misadventure has so many misadventures within it, and this shows the failure of accountability. And that, in my mind, begins at the very top, from the president, who has changed the reasons why we went into Iraq, right through to our senior policy makers, and even those who are our senior leaders of our military, that have to step back and say “how did we permit ourselves not to protect the armed services from bad judgement, from the failure to be accountable,” as General Shenseki did, and as he said it would take 200,000 troops to bring about this issue. Take just one other example. The oil sharing, the hydrocarbon sharing law, that’s trying to be worked through parliament. Who knows what’s in that. Many people believe we might have gone into this war for oil. I think we went in for a variety of reasons. But the indications from a draft of several months ago that the Kurds were using, is that while we’re pushing, even as the Democratic Party is pushing, to say that progress made on the hydrocarbon sharing law, is something that will be a positive benchmark, if we make it. What’s involved in that power sharing. Is it just to make sure the right revenues were there, or as the draft the Kurds were using, actually shows that there is an undue ability of our oil companies to control the Iraqi profits by controlling the infrastructure and the wells that are there. I mean they’re going to get much more, if the draft is correct, of profits than we would under a normal oil sharing agreement, of these oil companies to a country like Saudi Arabia or others. Heaven forbid that at the end of this time, after all this, if we find out that there’s undue advantage given to our oil companies. As I mentioned just earlier, there is the power of our military and the power of our economy that we’re respected for. But the power of our ideals is where we’re admired. That lady sitting in New York harbor means something. C’mon in and believe in these ideals. That’s what I fought for, for 31 years, and I’ll be dismayed if we don’t do that more. And that’s why this issue that you bring up on arms is important. What kind of accountability do we put in. Could we do it, because they didn’t listen to Gen. Shinseki to have the right amount of troops there, if you were to do this, to have the ability, the manpower, to make sure the things were implemented appropriately.[...]
The political situation is the absolute end game. Because even though you might be able to have an improvement in the military security, how long do we have to be there to change the minds, to the change the hearts of the Iraqis? So that is, you redeploy, like we saw in the papers today, as the British did in Basra, sectarian violence is still there significantly. What is it that will attract parties, leaders in Iraq, not to agitate their militias to violence. What is the incentive to bring in regional nations that have influence, like Iran, not to have undue, destructive influence, but constructive influence. That’s why I believe a date certain. Much like Samuel Johnson said, although it’s not a great quote at times perhaps, “there’s nothing like the prospect of a hanging to focus the mind.” We need to ensure that as the Iraqis, who have had 32 ministries, by which they’re able to pursue their personal fiefdoms, their personal ambitions, under cover of US military security and political security. And those fiefdoms, and their fights and personal ambitions, are being reflected now in the south, in Basra, those three armies there, fighting among themselves and their issues. When do we say, “wait a minute, you have to understand we won’t be here to permit you to do this, stand up and take responsibility.” So, even though I have great respect for Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack and their article in the New York Times, I disagree. Not that, I disagree that there hasn’t been some improvement, particularly in Anbar province in security, which actually began last fall, not, not just since the surge. But that enough should have been brought out, even though it was mentioned at the end of the article, that what does this really bode for political accomdation. The concern I have, is that we’ve abdicated to a four star general, the whole tone of the debate in September. He’s to come in, where it’s supposed to be a president, president’s report, to say “here’s what happened in the military situation.” Where’s the template, the context, for the political measures of success, as Sunnis withdraw from the government. Or as when i was there with Sen. Hagel, and we went to Anbar province several months ago, saw the improvements in security, in the Sunni part, but as they looked to the East, and wanted to be part of the government. We went to the East because the Baghdad government was saying “nah nah no, ” and we asked them, what about the re-Baathification law, that’s supposed to bring them back into the government, the unified government. And the highest levels, after meeting with Prime Minister Maliki and other senior levels, the highest levels of government told us, it was only appeasement to the Sunnis and not important. How long do we keep our men and women there, until we change the incentives to make them say “whoa whoa whoa,” we’re not going to have you have your only personal feelings, believes run a government while our men and women are dying for you. We’re going to set a date - it’s gonna take us a certain amount of time, and it will take a certain amount of time, I’ve gone through the plans, the planning aspects of it, you know, minimum probably 15 up to 24 months, but to say, we’re going to set a date. Here’s your incentive to begin to step to the plate. And Iran, you don’t want, as our National Intelligence Council said, a failed, fractionalized government, or Iraqi state, because you don’t want that instability to overthrow. And bring them together with confidence, by we remain in the region, in our bases we have in several countries there, and on our carrier battle groups and things they do, and deal with confidence in the political,diplomatic sphere. That’s the change in strategy. The last arrow in the arsenal that for some reason we have not used. The road out of Iraq is through Tehran. We need to deal with confidence with that country, we can do it. And when I say engage with them, I mean with consequences for bad behavior on the diplomatic and economic side. You saw the riots that ensued, just last year, early July. That came out because they had raised the gas prices from 25 to 38 cents. We’ve got a lot of ability to influence their behavior. And we should be about that business so the behavior becomes positive. Because the incentive that they want, we won’t be in that country.
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The "oil law" is a frickin' joke, and the Iraqis would be insane to agree to it.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pmBut, Zooey, you know the "oil law" is the keystone to winning the GWOT! :D
August 18th, 2007 at 1:00 pmtest
August 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmyea... "heaven forbid"...
ugh...
August 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI'm writing this right now from my lap top on wireless internet. I'm in Bruce's KO boxing gym right now in Austin, Texas. So far Wayne is a no show.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnother obscure Congressman with a 14% approval rating telling the moonbats what they want to hear.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThat has been the objective of the Bush government all along, steal Iraq's oil. For the life of me I can't understand why they think that the Iraqi's would go along with the deal. First we destroy their country and then we get control of 80% of their only real resource. If we really cared about the people in Iraq we would not be attempting to steal the only resource they can use to rebuild their country.
The next time a neoCON troll says something about Genocide in Iraq, remind them that if we are allowed to steal 80% of their oil profits, we will be the ones committing Genocide because the people in Iraq will starve to death in much greater numbers than they are now because they will have no way to earn an income.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmChimpCo had better hurry and find some puppets in the Iraqi government to sign the law. Al Maliki's government is disintegrating a bit more every day.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThere is nobody here except two teenagers and their father sparing in the boxing ring. Wayne has not shown up.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmHey folks, let's not step in Francine J's poop on this thread. Just step around the poop, it's really easy.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmOops..didn't realize Dr. Dog was here sh1tting on the floor. Just walk around his poop too. Actually, just walk around all the troll poop. Stepping in it just makes a big stink.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pmand, why DOES he "have great respect for Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack and their article in the New York Times" ?
i hate when politicians dance around, all polite and gentelmanly...
it's just way past time for mincing words...
just say you disagreed with their assessment... it doesn't matter what you FEEL about the messengers - just the message...
August 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmand theirs was WRONG...
...
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Wrong ring, sir.....
August 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pmThe Vick Memorial Pit Bull Pit is to your right.
Sir.
But, Zooey, you know the “oil law†is the keystone to winning the GWOT! :D
Comment by Egreggious — August 18, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
I have this land I need to sell. It's in Louisiana, and it's just a teeny bit swampy....but I think you're just the guy who needs to buy it. :-D
August 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pm"ChimpCo had better hurry and find some puppets in the Iraqi government to sign the law. Al Maliki’s government is disintegrating a bit more every day.
Comment by UpFromTheSkies"
It's not going to happen. The Kurds have stated that they are against the law and the Iraqi Parliament has said that they are not going to let it happen. And even if it were to happen, it wouldn't last long. The Iraqi's would revolt and then nationalize the oil fields. The only way we would be able to hang on to our ill gotten gains would be to completely subjugate the population of Iraq and continue to occupy the country from now to kingdom come.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pmI’m writing this right now from my lap top on wireless internet. I’m in Bruce’s KO boxing gym right now in Austin, Texas. So far Wayne is a no show.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Liar.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI'll give Wayne 15 more minutes and then I'm going to Super Wal-Mart.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI’ll give Wayne 15 more minutes and then I’m going to Super Wal-Mart.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
... to buy a fresh diaper.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmi heard something the other day about maliki looking for more of a certain sect (sunni?) to join the govment so that he could get more votes to approve this PSA...
August 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmset me straight... anyone?
...
OIL...what the entire invasion was about from day one. Anyone who doesn't recognize this is as delusional as our resident chimp in charge.
You chimpy leg humpers can try to change the subject or somehow cast blame on others who question the motives of the administration...but it's abundantly clear that YOU are the folks who despise America and everything it once stood for.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThe oil companies built the infrastructure,maintain the equipment, they rightly deserve their FAIR share of profit. The problem is they want far more than they are rightfully due.
Iraqis will unite on THAT issue. Bad enough we invaded their country illegally and killed many innocents and destroyed their lives, jobs, country and their hearts but now they want to steal their national treasure? That will NEVER happen. Bush is a fool, the Iraqi people are very intelligent, tenacious and determined AND the oil BELONGS TO THEM. We should be applying our focus to creating other energy sources HERE at home which would provide jobs AND a new earth safe fuel source and leave these people ALONE.
Not ONE American would stand for ANY country invading us and attempting to overtake OUR national resources, yet somehow people believe we can do this to Iraq and it's ok? Underestimating the brilliance and fortitude of our fellow beings in the Middle East is King Bushie's fatal flaw the arrogant, smirking wanker that he is.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThere are no police officers here either Wayne said he was going to have one referee the boxing match
August 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHEAR, HEAR, JUSTICE!
jolly good!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmThere are no police officers here either Wayne said he was going to have one referee the boxing match
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
It's true.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWhat? Bush is trying to steal the oil? My gosh, I most certainly did not see that coming! (sarcasm)
Hopefully, the Iraqis will find a way to keep this from happening. The oil revenue would help them undo some of the damage to their infrastructure that we caused with the invasion. They deserve so much better than what they are getting (which is nothing but pain and suffering), and my heart goes out the them.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:23 pmand are the demcrats still saying that the occupation is nothing to do Oil
there in this as well
August 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmMas Murdering Oil Thiefs
August 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThis law will lead to all out war
August 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmBut the conservative propaganda machine would have us believe that the occupation has nothing to do with Iraq's vat oil reserves.
Of course, if that were true, there would have been no need to amend Iraq's constitution and/or spend so much time and energy crafting an oil law to "help" Iraq develop a "free market" -which, of course, is anything but free, and is tightly controlled to give Big Oil the upper hand.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmI’ll give Wayne 15 more minutes and then I’m going to Super Wal-Mart.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Helping to unionize? If not try the local mom and pop for all your purchasing needs. Do you really want to support the homogenization of everytown USA?
August 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmTest...
August 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIt will not work...This will work on paper.
The oil exported thru Basra...A hot spot of Shiate different factions that can never agree on this.
They still not in agreement among themselves who rules the Basra area.
In the West , it is dominated by Sunni,and a hot spot of fighting,still we have no control over it.
In the east there are oil fields,but close to Iranian borders with mixture of Shiate,Kurds . Kirkuk City is another hotspot and a disputed area between Kurds and Arabs,produces about 40% of Iraqi oil.
Baghdad itself a mixture of Shiate,Sunnis and Kurds does not produce oil.
If this Iraqi Parliament tried to pass such laws against the will of the Iraqis...it will never work.
Iraqis,Iranians and Middle Eastern people in general are sensitive to this issue.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmIt does not take much feul them over this issue.
$20 trillion profit for 5 years war - 1 million dead - absolutely disgusting is the way the world will view America soon
August 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pmSomeone call an ambulance! I think Wayne has killed my son!
August 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pm“If the Iraqi Parliament approves this law, we will resort to mutiny.â€
August 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmInstalling democracy at the point of the gun barrel.
Heckuva Farce, chympie!~
And now we get to the motive behind it all. This asinine "war on terra" has all along been nothing more than a rhetorical shroud to transfer control of the preponderance of the world's oil supply to corporate masters tied to the Shrub regime.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pmPURE EVIL
August 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pmOne question remains.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhy would Rep Sestak respect O'Hanlon and his jackass buddy???
just had to vent....
the Dem's just called for $$$
I gave them a piece of my mind....
No more $$$ until:
Iraq funding is stopped
Gonzo is impeached
MPG requirments put back into energy bill
of course this is just the tip of the iceberg
I'm sick and tired of the spineless talking heads in D.C. taking my $$$ but not acting on the most obvious concerns on voters minds today...IRAQ, GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION/LYING, AND THE ENVIROMENT.
enough already....grow some nads for god's sake....and take action...enough committees, and hearings, and investigations....we're done with it all...
we will never solve IRAQ's thousand years old civil strife
it is documented at least 10 times that Gonzo lied to congress...Martha did hard time for a stock trade fib...what gives?
Dingall is in Detroits back pocket...fine, but the rest of the Dem's did not need to cave into giving up new MGP standards that would greatly reduce our oil addiction....
did you know that the US is at the bottom of the list internationally when it comes to MPG....wonder why that is? the whole world can get better gas mileage than us?
sorry...just had to vent....back to your regular scheduled programming....
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pmGo Dr. Dog, I hope you beat the crap out of Wayne.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pmi thought the appointment was at 1pm...
August 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmit's 12:52 in austin...
I dont think it will Work ...... Maliki is damned if he does or he dont , he will be living in America just like the Judge who ordered Saddams death Now lives in London
this plan is pure evil and the evil people of America voted for this demon and still 23% of Amerricans are still evil
you dirty evil bastards - 1 million dead
August 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pmWayne commented on another thread he was headed over to the gym.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pmWatch Dr. Mutt will claim he "waited" for Wayne and then left..betcha..
Is there a Dr. in the house.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMy lover Wayne just got a beating worse than I give him.
"Why would Rep Sestak respect O’Hanlon and his jackass buddy???"
Comment by RUCerious
It's a debate tactic.
"Acknowledge, accomodate, refute."
Acknowledge that they have certain bona fides in geo-political thinking.
Accomodate the points they make into an alternate viewpoint.
Refute what they say, outright, by pointing out their past mistakes.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIt’s a debate tactic.
“Acknowledge, accomodate, refute.â€
Comment by barfly — August 18, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
It doesn't seem like a very good tactic in this case.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmgood point barfly. Forgot that old trick of faint praise!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmwell... i just called bruce's to ask if there was wireless, or otherwise, internet capabilities there... NOPE...
also, even talked to wayne... he's sound fine! got a kick outta
hearing about this...
but, of course...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmSomeone call an ambulance! I think Wayne has killed my son!
Comment by Mrs. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Maybe you should call, unless you really don't want to. We understand your reluctance.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:01 pmwell… i just called bruce’s to ask if there was wireless, or otherwise, internet capabilities there… NOPE…
Comment by katy — August 18, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Thanks for checking, katy. I wondered if that might be true.
Michael Deaver died.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWatch Dr. Mutt will claim he “waited†for Wayne and then left..betcha..
Comment by RUCerious — August 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Calling Dr Mutt, Dr Mutt, where are you??
August 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“Acknowledge, accomodate, refute.â€
[...]
Comment by barfly — August 18, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
well, that answers my question @ 1:07 pm...
ok... chalk one up for debate skills...
i'm kinda tired of it though...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm...
i thought the appointment was at 1pm…
it’s 12:52 in austin…
Comment by katy — August 18, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Dr. Dog is probably out east and doesn't know what time it is in Texas.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThis is a test
August 18th, 2007 at 2:05 pmDr. Dog is probably out east and doesn’t know what time it is in Texas.
Comment by shane — August 18, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
He may be out east, but you can bet he'll never be out in the Middle East.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmTP crapping out again, nulling name and email.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmLearn about cookie and session management, kids...
My son is not out!
Well, he's out of consciousness.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmHey JoeBlow!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLoud and clear!
He may be out east, but you can bet he’ll never be out in the Middle East.
Comment by Egreggious — August 18, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Looks like the mutt tucked his tail between his legs and ran off.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:10 pmBISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan (AP) - The leaders of Russia, China and Iran said Thursday that Central Asia should be left alone to manage its stability and security — an apparent warning to the United States to avoid interfering in the strategic, resource-rich region.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWalmart must not have wi-fi.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThis is a test
Comment by JoeBlow
You're hired!
August 18th, 2007 at 2:11 pmHey, I thought that was a funny one about animal control and the stray dog in my yard, and not so low as to be unfit for posting......
August 18th, 2007 at 2:11 pmBut what do I know....
August 18th, 2007 at 2:12 pmSo far Wayne is a no show.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 18, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I couldn't imagine a bigger lie beig told, but hey, if you believe it, it's not a lie is it?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pm"... absolutely disgusting is the way the world will view America soon..."
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 18, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
"will view America soon..."???
I'm afraid we passed the point of "soon" quite some time ago, Toby.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI’m writing this right now from my lap top on wireless internet. I’m in Bruce’s KO boxing gym right now in Austin, Texas. So far Wayne is a no show.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Funny...
Bruces doesnt have wireless, I was working on weights, then Kay or Katy called there asked for Wayne and I talked to her.
My police friend didn't come because we figured you were a no show.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI left 5minutes ago
Since you were there, describe Bruce, lapdog.
My police friend didn’t come because we figured you were a no show.
I left 5minutes ago
Since you were there, describe Bruce, lapdog.
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
**snort**
August 18th, 2007 at 2:23 pmbruce has a nice voice...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:25 pmso do you, wayne...
.
Watch Dr. Mutt will claim he “waited†for Wayne and then left..betcha..
Comment by RUCerious — August 18, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
No, I'm not psychic. Just a good bet.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThird Beatitude
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Neo-Third Beatitude
August 18th, 2007 at 2:26 pmGet off my damn road you left wing liberal wacko.
bruce has a nice voice…
so do you, wayne…
.
Comment by katy
Why thank you Katy
August 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pmNice talking to you, that was quite funny =)
Time stamps are eastern time, not central
August 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pmSince you were there, describe Bruce, lapdog.
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
...silence... **crickets chirping** ... more silence... **crickets still chirping**... even more silence...
Mebbe it's time to put out an APB for Da Dawg...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:30 pmsilence… **crickets chirping** … more silence… **crickets still chirping**… even more silence…
August 18th, 2007 at 2:32 pmThe Silence of the Mutts
Mebbe it’s time to put out an APB for Da Dawg…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 18, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Good thing you're back, there's been some other guy hanging around talking cheese.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pmyou're welcome, wayne...
that was one of my spontaneous, why not? moves...
and free weekend minutes... and yellow.com...
i bet bruce was a bit weirded out... and you?
August 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmheh...
Mebbe it’s time to put out an APB for Da Dawg…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 18, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Or look out on the grass out side the gym and find the dog who can't stop peeing. Don't check out the hydrants, only macho dogs lift their legs. Submissive males squat.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pmGood job katy! Now let's hope Doktor Mutt comes back and tries to weasel his way out of this one...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmi bet bruce was a bit weirded out… and you?
heh…
Comment by katy — August 18, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
That was a brilliant move katy. Good thinking on your feet. Thanks for shutting up the pup.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmDr. Dog, another troll name we won't see around here anymore.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pmThat was a brilliant move katy. Good thinking on your feet. Thanks for shutting up the pup.
Comment by shane — August 18, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Yeah, but you KNOW that clueless blowhard will be back telling the same silly lies soon. Someone ought to copy this exchange off to a word doc and whenever that pointless SoS (Sack of Sh*t) shows up, just copy and paste into the thread he's defiling.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmSince you were there, describe Bruce, lapdog.
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
…silence… **crickets chirping** … more silence… **crickets still chirping**… even more silence…
Mebbe it’s time to put out an APB for Da Dawg…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 18, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
#
silence… **crickets chirping** … more silence… **crickets still chirping**… even more silence…
The Silence of the Mutts
Comment by RUCerious
Ding ding
Times up
Bruce is about 5'7", stocky built like a sherman tank, and currenty shaved bald.
I am 5'8" long dark blond/lt brown hair with some grey, also stocky, solid, wear glasses and a hearing aid in my right ear, was wearing my greyT shirt with "American Motorcycles An American Tradition" Text and graphic.
My white mazda truck and Bruces chevy were in the lot, because saturday's 10am boxing class was over and only me, Bruce and one other guy were there in the building.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:46 pmi bet bruce was a bit weirded out… and you?
heh…
Comment by katy
Yeah, at first he was like who????
I heard him say Wayne,and told him it is probably for me.
I go by my nick name Jay, because I am a Wayne Jr =)
August 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCall it > THE OIL STEALING ENACTMENT. The Bush Regime plan is to allow BIG OIL companies to steal Iraq's petroleum reserves. They would get 80% of the OIL free of charge and pay a pittance for the other 20%.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:56 pmSomeone needs to box someone at this point. That was anti-climactic.
But its funny the troll is a weenie.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:04 pmAwww, I was sure Mr. Puppy would show up and throw an "arm bar" on Wayne.
Genius work by Katy!
August 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pmBut its funny the troll is a weenie.
Comment by ForTruth — August 18, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
A weenie AND a f*cking liar.
Surprise!
August 18th, 2007 at 3:15 pmGenius work by Katy!
Comment by gummitch
That was awsome thinking Katy.
Yeah I am glad she called.
3rd party verification.
otherwise it was my word vs lying troll.
I also took pics of the clock in Bruces by the ring on my iPhone as proof I was there at 1pm.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI also took pics of the clock in Bruces by the ring on my iPhone as proof I was there at 1pm.
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
I find it totally hilarious that the idiot Dog was pretending to be there -- at the wrong time.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:25 pmjust started giggling, thinking of that conversation...
"hello - bruce's" ...
"yea, i wondered if you have the internet there?"...
"HUH?"...
i'm sure he thought i was some nut...
...
now, about the Production Stealing Agreement...
August 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pmhas anyone heard of what i questioned @ 1:14 pm?
...
I find it totally hilarious that the idiot Dog was pretending to be there — at the wrong time.
Comment by Zooey — August 18, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
The mudpuppy was probably sitting in his mom's basement in Virginia.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI find it totally hilarious that the idiot Dog was pretending to be there — at the wrong time.
Comment by Zooey
Yeah that is funny.
I was there from 11 till after Katy called at 1:05 or 1:10 and told me Dog was claiming he was there on the none existing wireless connection.
LMAO
Ok, got to finish packing and then head to the airport early to get through the security checks before flight time.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe hotel will have wireless so I won't be off the board all week =)
And still no Dawg sighting...
August 18th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAnd still no Dawg sighting…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
If Mr.P posts on one of his alts, you will see him
Dog is lying POS Mr. P
August 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pmtrial vaccination
August 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmOk, got to finish packing and then head to the airport early to get through the security checks before flight time.
The hotel will have wireless so I won’t be off the board all week =)
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Have a great time jumping out of perfectly good aircraft!! :-)
August 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmhuh
August 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmtrial vaccination
Comment by Raven — August 18, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
We are not immune....
August 18th, 2007 at 3:39 pmmr.p posted a short idiocy at the "good reason" thread...
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
i dread the later hours, after the meth rage kicks in...
be ready to let TP know...
August 18th, 2007 at 3:39 pm...
I realize the topic is boxing but please do not purchase Fiji water.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI realize the topic is boxing but please do not purchase Fiji water.
Comment by dbadass — August 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
I purchase tap water. :)
Why shouldn't we buy Fiji water?
August 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWe are not immune….
Comment by Zooey
Apparently... I was trying to chime in on the dog fight, and TP was having none of it....
August 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pmtake care, wayne... have fun! ...
y'know... i can't even watch jumping on the teevee...
August 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmthings like that make me dizzy...
...
Apparently… I was trying to chime in on the dog fight, and TP was having none of it….
Comment by Raven — August 18, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Isn't that frustrating? That kept happening to me last week. Grrrr....
August 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBow wow wow wow, bow wow, woof bow woof woof!
August 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmDog is lying POS Mr. P
Comment by Wayne — August 18, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
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Sorry, Wayne. I'm not Dr. William Dog.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:45 pmSorry, Wayne. I’m not Dr. William Dog.
Comment by Liberator — August 18, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Whether or not Mr P=Liberator=Tha Dawg doesn't matter. All 3 are POs.
Seeing as getting "tutored" worked for That Dawg (made him smart enough to NOT show up in Austin...), perhaps Mr P and Libbie-rator would benefit from it too! Jes' sayin'...
This is as funny as Mr P's classic "Saudis ain't Moslems"...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
August 18th, 2007 at 4:46 pmTough days for the moonbats. Their Al Qaeda friends are getting their collective asses kicked by the USA and not even their spinmisters can keep the news from getting out.
Congressman Baird sees need for longer U.S. role in Iraq
http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/192500.html
U.S. Rep. Brian Baird said Thursday that his recent trip to Iraq convinced him the military needs more time in the region, and that a hasty pullout would cause chaos that helps Iran and harms U.S. security. "I believe that the decision to invade Iraq and the post-invasion management of that country were among the largest foreign-policy mistakes in the history of our nation. I voted against them, and I still think they were the right votes," Baird said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C. "But we're on the ground now. We have a responsibility to the Iraqi people and a strategic interest in making this work." Baird, a five-term Democrat, voted against President Bush ordering the Iraq invasion — at a time when he was in a minority in Congress and at risk of alienating voters. He returned late Tuesday from a trip that included stops in Israel, Jordan and Iraq, where he met troops, U.S. advisers and Iraqis, whose stories have convinced him that U.S. troops must stay longer.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pm“I believe that the decision to invade Iraq and the post-invasion management of that country were among the largest foreign-policy mistakes in the history of our nation. I voted against them, and I still think they were the right votes,†Baird said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C
All he really said was adults will have to take over for the Boy Emperor and fix the mess he made.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pmFrank that Rep. must be a stupid Blue Dog Democrat.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:10 pmNo US oil company should profit from the oil revenues. All the profits must go to the Iraqis themselves. The Bush administration should stay out of the oil law. It is up to the Iraqis to decide how the revenues should be distributed among the different ethnic groups.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSestak is right the progress in Anbar predates the surge. Neo-cons like to cite it as progress as there is no other progress to cite. The most recent violence in Iraq betrays the alleged progress cited by O'Hanlon and Pollack and other war supporters. The lack of political progress means the surge hasn't worked the way Bush said it would.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:34 pmMany blogs were warning these Blue Dogs that they were handing Bush more than he requested. They have de facto authorized all the illegalities that Bush was guilty of. Six months is too long to correct this mistake. They should have READ the damn bill before rushing to pass it. Bush is great at dissembling and crying 'Hurry, hurry." It's all a game and he's winning.
August 18th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBushiva and L'il Dick...
...should be FORCED to embark on a cross country Iraq tour...
...giving townhall type speeches to the Iraqi masses...
...to promote their oil law...
...IMMEDIATELY!
August 18th, 2007 at 7:35 pmIf another CFR/Trilat/Bilderberger gets elected, Demon or RePubic; We will get business as usual. Paul, Gravel & Kusinich are Not CFR
August 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmJohn Edwards - CFR (D)
Rudy Giuliani - CFR (R)
Hillary Clinton - CFR (D)
John McCain -- CFR (R)
Barack Obama -- CFR (D)
Mitt Romney -- CFR (R)
Christopher Dodd -- CFR (D)
Fred Thompson -- CFR (R)
Bill Richardson -- CFR (D)
Joseph Biden -- CFR (D)
Newt Gingrich -- CFR (R)
YTSearch "CFR/NAU"
Why do you think Cheney wants to keep the "Energy Task Force" participants and what their discussions were a secret? They were planning the war! They wanted to, first, invade and therefore disrupt the flow of oil which would and did raise the prices, and then ultimately get control over the oil so they can control the price of oil forever (and so far the war is going great for them!).
August 18th, 2007 at 7:50 pmBush's Iraq strategy has changed. The American people are ahead of their representatives...they want OUT of IRAQ.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:48 pmBush's previous strategy was.. Victory First.
Now Bush's strategy is ...WE ARE GETTING OUT. Just not as fast as the critics demand.
This is a strategy to stall the inevitable, and dump the war in the Democrats lap next year.
The viet nam war was a disaster for America and its military...but it was A HUGE SuCCESS for the republicans. Even though Nixon's flawed plans resulted in our less than victorius pullout, the Democrats got the blame for being weak , and anti-military. This resulted in Republicans winning the whitehouse for all but 8 years since 1980.
They are planning the same strategy with Iraq.
And as far as the oil deal goes...NO OTHER middle east country has an arrangement like the one proposed for Iraq. I think I know why.
Could someone explain to me why the sovereign nation of Iraq (as proclaimed by both Shrub and Iraq) would give up the keys to the gold mine ?
August 18th, 2007 at 10:51 pm> Time stamps are eastern time, not central
Hahahahah. Yes! F#cking hilarious....I havent laughed that hard at a troll
since Jake got called out for plagarising a real vets record and Mighty Megan Herpmaphrodite claimed she was a lawyer.
Now one of his other selves, Mr. P, is even disavowing Dr. Dog. Even if hes not really Dog they are undoubtedly buddies...
August 19th, 2007 at 3:01 amCheney's Energy Task Force in March 2001 divided up Iraq into "exploration blocks". Link shows map obtained by Judicial Watch showing oilfields and the "blocks".
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/211/466503255_f7bb4d5e85_o.jpg
PNAC said we must take that part of the world because of the oil and natural gas. Remember, only the OIL Ministry was protected from looters.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 amI heard a Free Republic reader got caught having sex with his teacher. But the worst part is that he was "home-schooled"!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 amAntonia Juhasz, author of “The Bush Agenda,†wrote in an op-ed for The New York Times on March 13:
“The Iraq National Oil Company would have exclusive control of just 17 of Iraq’s 80 known oil fields, leaving two-thirds of known—and all of its as yet undiscovered—fields open to foreign control,†Juhasz wrote. “The foreign companies would not have to invest their earnings in the Iraqi economy, partner with Iraqi companies, hire Iraqi workers or share new technologies. . . The international oil companies could also be offered some of the most corporate-friendly contracts in the world.â€
So bothered by this is the Bush Administration that it ordered U.S. fighter jets to circle over and buzz the demonstrators, according to labor journalist David Bacon.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:12 amSestak has some very good things to say about how to get out of Iraq and what should happen with the Iraqis fighting against each other for power but the fact of the matter is that Bush did go into Iraq for the Oil. Bush did lie to the American people knowingly about yellow cake and weapons of mass destruction. Bush has squandered American lives, money and prestige in this folly! There is very little interests for those who are behind this grab for oil to see that Iraq is stable and operating in the interests of the Iraqi people. The war will go on, the oil will be extracted and the American people will be poorer for it.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:22 amThis neocon fascist wet dream will rebound on the American people in the form of decreased personal security. There will be those late night knocks on the door and Americans carted off to detention to disappear under the label terrorists.
It is not good enough to allow the destruction of the Constitution that is going on under this administration to continue. This administration and future administrations continuing this fascist direction must be fought tooth and nail. The writing is on the wall, so, take a good hard look because the new nazi empire is upon us!
Oh no - this war has nothing to do with oil... not at all... we're not spinning - we're going to give you the news straight from the generals on the ground...
This administration has lost ALL credibility
VIDEO - White House To Write Iraq Report
August 20th, 2007 at 11:52 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=bac9f5da-e13e-4aff-8a3d-294bed3007b3