Active-duty soldiers reject myth that escalation is working.
Active-duty soldiers reject myth that escalation is working.
A group of infantrymen and officers of the 82nd Airborne Division write in the New York Times today that they are “skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable.” Reports of progress, they say, have “neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day.” They write:
The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. [...]
In the end, we need to recognize that our presence may have released Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but that it has also robbed them of their self-respect. They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call us what we are — an army of occupation — and force our withdrawal.
Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters, to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins but let them resolve their differences as they see fit. This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.
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August 19th, 2007 at 12:18 pmEveryone already knows the truth, yet they continue to act surprised. This is not news.
Mark my words: regardless of anything that happens, things will only get worse in Iraq. The situation cannot be unfu(ked.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pmBravo, 82nd Airborne! Well done.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:26 pmAw, what do they know? They’re just soldiers. They’re so much lower in class than the enlightened, elite, wonderful spin-doctors that we are blessed with. Off with their heads!
August 19th, 2007 at 12:27 pmthey need to go a bit further, and call for mutiny, because this administration won’t stop.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:39 pmMakes me proud the 82nd still holding to principles and stating the truth not propaganda.
82nd is my old Division.
Hey, *Zooey/rose
Lost a post trying to reply to you.
Saw you tried to page “mongrel”. I put a reply at end of that thread this moring lol.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pmOf course it’s an occupation. Do they really think we think it’s otherwise?
August 19th, 2007 at 12:50 pmKudos to the 82nd. It’s about time that the soldiers start speaking out. Unfortunately the consequences for them is going to be grim. They are risking their lives by speaking out. Remember what happened to Pat Tillman. Expect more “friendly fire” deaths in the near future involving the brave soldiers who choose to speak out.
The thing that galls me the most about the situation in Iraq is all the Sargents and Generals who keep sending their soldiers into hopeless situations where the chances are good that they will be killed. Don’t these people have any loyalty to their troops or has the Bush Crime Family so bastardized the military that all the officers must swear an oath to King George, their troops be damned.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pmComment by Wayne — August 19, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Hi Wayne, TP isn’t letting Zooey post this morning. Geez….
I though the 82nd was yours. Great guys!
Yeah, I called the airport and asked them to page “Dr William Dog,” it was very very important. He didn’t answer. Heh.
Have you jumped out of any airplanes yet?
August 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI salute the 82nd Airborne Division, both its current and past members. Thank you one and all. This country owes a huge debt of gratitude for what these brave men and women have done for us.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThe thing that galls me the most about the situation in Iraq is all the Sargents and Generals who keep sending their soldiers into hopeless situations where the chances are good that they will be killed. Don’t these people have any loyalty to their troops or has the Bush Crime Family so bastardized the military that all the officers must swear an oath to King George, their troops be damned.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 19, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I understand your frustration, but please keep in mind that military personnel are trained to accept one thing above all else: The mission comes first.
Your personal feelings cannot interfere with following orders, even if you know that you will die as a result. (That’s why they came up with the term “suicide mission”, because they knew that there would be times when someone would have to give his or her life in order to complete the mission.) If you have any beef at all, it should be with the president who ordered them on this mission, not the NCOs and Officers tasked with carrying out their orders.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHave you jumped out of any airplanes yet?
Comment by Rose Tyler
Tomorrow=)
eating in the hotel restraunt, then we are going sightsee the town a bit.
may be back on tonight, depends on how late we are out. =)
August 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmthis story has been up for an hour at that stupid hot air blog, and there are four replies. so i guess all the trolls are awaiting fax/email instructions on how best to spin this one. notice the normally breathless trolls are silent here at tp, also. maybe they are all at church right now.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pmmay be back on tonight, depends on how late we are out. =)
Comment by Wayne — August 19, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Have a great time, Wayne!!
August 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pmHave you jumped out of any airplanes yet?
Comment by Rose Tyler
Tomorrow=)
Comment by Wayne — August 19, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Oh, Wayne, please tell us someone is planning on sabotaging the plane so you have a good reason to jump out of it! :D
Enjoy your jump and have a safe landing (the most important part.)
August 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmWhat do they know? They are just there, doing and seeing and responding in real time. Don’t they understand that the Cheney/Bush guided tours give a more credible picture of the marvelous improvements as a result of the surge? According to the rosy picture we get from hand-picked and closely-insulated observers, a Double-Surge would probably have all Iraqis converting to (fundie) Christianity, joining the Republic party, and watching American Idol every week.
Sorry for the snark-I marvel at these service-members’ courage in speaking out!
August 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI’m outta here for a while. I’ll check back later to see how well the trolls respect the troops. :-)
August 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI’ll check back later to see how well the trolls respect the troops. :-)
Comment by Rose Tyler
They don’t/won’t, but their mommies sure let them sleep late on weekends…
August 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmBut that’s not what O’Hanlon,Senator Lieberman(I),Pollack and Senator Graham(R) are saying…! They all said when they were there in Iraq,they went shopping rugs there,at a good price.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmYou know, just because they are active-duty, doesn’t automatically mean that they are correct. In fact, it’s safe to say that there are plenty of soldiers who are just plain wrong sometimes, they are only human after all.
Just sayin’
August 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmWell, we all know that Betrayus’ report (written by the WH will totally refute this story………After all, they would have so much better intelligence (?) than anhyone actually on the ground, in harm’s way.
Chickenhawks are the most dangerous things that our troops are facing right now. It’s all about politics and money!
August 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHere in NC, we have high regard for our Fort Bragg soldiers, the 82nd Airborne. I’m more more inclined to believe with they have to say over the spin doctors and the people who have been to the neocon dog and pony shows.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pm“I understand your frustration, but please keep in mind that military personnel are trained to accept one thing above all else: The mission comes first.”
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again expecting a different result. So, are all these officers insane?
Somewhere along the line, these officers need to take personal responsibility for what they are doing. If they are ordered to keep performing the same mission over and over and over again, knowing that there is no way it can succeed, and that the soldiers they are in charge of are undoubtedly going to die, when do they say “enough is enough”?
That’s the point I was trying to make.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYou’re right Liberator, only Michael Yon is correct, cus he says the stuff that you already believe. You & Frank J are complete jokes. You only consider information that already supports your views, the rest you discard. Just sayin’.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:22 pmYou know, just because they are neoCONs, doesn’t automatically mean that they are correct. In fact, it’s safe to say that there are plenty of neoCONs who are just plain wrong sometimes, they are only human after all.
Just sayin’
There, I fixed it for you.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“In fact, it’s safe to say that there are plenty of soldiers who are just plain wrong sometimes, they are only human after all.”
Franks, Rumsfeld, and Abizaid come readily to mind.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pmAll’s I’m sayin’ is that no one is right all of the time, and just like Makros said, we shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a sort of “emotional blackmail.”
August 19th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThat’s the point I was trying to make.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 19, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
I understand, but that is not an option they have. For the sake of military discipline, all personnel must obey their orders. Enlisted people who sign contracts to serve x-number of years cannot simply “quit” without facing imprisonment. And officers may well be barred from resigning their commissions during wartime (I may be wrong about that, and I hope Wayne or some other vet could confirm or correct this). If they could, we wouldn’t have a military to defend this nation against other agressive nations. (We have police and the FBI to defend us against criminals like the perpetrators of 9/11.)
As heart-breaking and insane as it may seem, we need people who are willing to do dangerous missions and who will follow orders even if it means they may die. We can train them as well as we can to keep them from getting themselves killed through stupidity, but luck plays a huge role in who gets killed and who doesn’t.
They depend on us, the American people, to remove the leaders who make them do the unnecessarily dangerous missions. And we have been trying to get our Congress to recognize that the current “Commander-in-Chief” isn’t fit to lead a military parade, let alone a military.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by bilbobaggins — August 19, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
A good officer won’t sacrifice his troops unnecessarily, and good generals won’t order good officers (or even not so good officers) to put their troops in the middle of a firestorm unless it’s the only way to accomplish a greater mission.
Seeing as how our “mission” has become so blurry that nobody quite knows what it is anymore (most suspect the mission has become “hang on until this can become somebody else’s mess”), we have a situation where good officers have to choose between sacrificing their troops for somebody’s political legacy or mutiny (which, during wartime, can be punishable by death, according to the UCMJ).
I suspect that some WILL say “enough is enough”, despite the penalty. But probably not many.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“we shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a sort of “emotional blackmail.â€
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
We shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a reason not to listen to them.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pmEmotional Blackmail? What kind of stupidity is that Lieberator? I’ll take the assesment and HONEST opinioin of the Groundpounders who do it Every Day over there, before I’ll listen to someone like Petraus or Gates.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pmBesides, General Petreaus isn’t writing the report. The White House is. MOre wishful thinking and lies being tossed at us by the Dry Drunk in the Oval Office.
“we shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a sort of “emotional blackmail.â€
You also shouldn’t let the fact that they’re something you disagree with be your sole reason to dismiss them.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWe shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a reason not to listen to them.
Comment by missmolly — August 19, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Tell that to Makros.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pmIf you read the entire article, notice how at the end they, too, feel they have to cover their collective a$$es: “This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.”
They know all too well that the right will jump on this as “defeatist,” “unpatriotic ,” “un-American,” and “not supporting the troops.”
I love you guys. I will continue to write and contact my so-called representatives to bring you home, or at least send you to the right battlefield. You have gone well above and beyond your duties. Thank you for your service and your letter to the Times
August 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pmOf course these soldiers cannot possibly know as much about the progress of the war they are fighting as our own heroic War President and his veteran combat-tested Vice President. Our medal-studded War President listens to his Generals and takes inspiration from them and lets them write their own reports, as opposed to letting political hacks write them in order to set political policy.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThem troops is COMMUNISTS! TERRIST SYMPAMATIZERS!
August 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmIt really is too bad that GDumbya and Darth Cheney are not war veterans. It’s not because they would be better at conducting the Iraq fiasco today. It’s because they both would have been fragged within a day of arriving in-theater back then . . . and their stupidity would not be imposed upon us today.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWhy do our troops hate our troops?
August 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pm“we shouldn’t let the fact that they are military be a sort of “emotional blackmail.â€
Comment by Liberator
That’s rich.
The invasion of Iraq was based on emotional blackmail; and after all which has gone (predictably) wrong, you’re now carping about a few soldiers’ attempts to balance the Pentagon’s “all is well” smokescreen?
Hoo boy!
August 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI think the Troops and Officers of the 82nd Airborne as well as the vast majority of the Troops understand tha quandry that they are in. This might be just the first expression of it that we will see in the future from them.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:44 pmIt will serve as a needed counterweight to the Report coming out of the White House in Sept. that will no doubt paint a glowing assesment of our “Progress” in Iraq. It will bear no relation to the reality that the 82nd and the rest of the Troops deal with every day.
The ultimate in emotional blackmail is having the chicken-hawk neocons pissing and moaning that those who question GDumbya’s dirty little avoidable war in Iraq “don’t support our troops”.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAccording to Liberator the “progress” in Iraq is limited to the execution of Saddam. Not much to report on since that day.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWayne, my fax machine is on.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmtom, I’m sure you were the first to enlist after 9-11. (chuckle)
August 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmThe New York Times must also now allow the overwelming number of troops who realize the progress being made in Iraq to publish their editorial. They are making the contributions, and they deserve their voice.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThe 82′nd Airborne is one of the most widely recognized and highly decorated combat divisions in the US. Their nickname (look at their shoulder patches) is ALL AMERICAN.
And now active duty soldiers in the 82nd Airborne are willing to speak out publically, voicing the truth over the Bush administrations lies?
Heroes to the end.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmcomment by Liberator @1:18 pm
Gee Liberator; why don’t you enlist, do 3-4 tours in Iraq and tell us how right you are?
August 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmAdam Selene;
August 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmBETTER RED THAN DEAD!!!
why don’t you enlist, do 3-4 tours in Iraq and tell us how right you are?
Comment by Uncle Ho
Follow your own advice, hypocrite.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI don’t think Dr. Dog read the same Op-Ed that I did.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmI’ll say this about it. It is one helluva piece of writing by these men (And I wish a speedy recovery to Sgt. Murphy). It is a damming indictment of our Political Leadership and the strategy for this Occupation. And thats what this is now. It is not “the War on Terror”. Lets call a spade a spade here folks. And we are paying a very dear price in blood and treasury for it.
Liberals claim to support the foundations of this country. It’s time for them to enlist in the military.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmJim, the New York Times has to go out of their way to find a handful of troops to support their agenda. Time to allow the other 99% to have their opposite say.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmLets start with you Dr. Pee.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmYou first, you hypocritical lib.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pmAnd how do you know that 99% have the opposite point of view? Clarvoyience?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI see that Dr. Dog waited for Wayne to leave before showing up. Maybe he knows that he was thoroughly busted yesterday and that everyone here knows he never showed up for his bout with Wayne.
Dr. Dog has his tail between his legs.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by Jim Wolf359
He’s gonna be humpin’ your leg all day…
August 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmOr is it that over active imagination that you and the other Trolls and Wing Nuts have?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmLiberals claim to support the foundations of this country. It’s time for them to enlist in the military.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
I already did, so STFU!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYeah, he might be barfly. Cept’ I won’t be here all day. Just long enough to administer the beat down the Mutt deserves.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI already did, so STFU!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
You weren’t in combat. Liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWayne must be jumping out of an airplane. (snicker)
August 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI never said I was in combat, ‘weed. You said “Liberals claim to support the foundations of this country. It’s time for them to enlist in the military.” You said nothing about combat. I already served my country for more than five years.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmJunior lost this thing long before “Mission Accomplished”.
He lost it almost before he went in simply because Iraq under Saddam was a secular levy holding back the spread of militant Islam from Afghanistan to the Mediterranean. By breaking that levy, Junior gave that country to Iran and there’s nothing we can do about it now. That, incidentally, is the exact time we lost the War-On-Terror too because we took our eyes off Bin Laden.
He lost it when he went in with too few a number of troops, he lost it when he protected the oil infrastructure and stippled the priceless museum artifacts while allowing everything else to be looted.
He lost it when he destroyed the infrastructure and told the Iraqis to go fu#k themselves.
He lost it when he disbanded the Iraqi Army and let them join the Iraqi resistance.
He lost it when he not only refused Iranian and Syrian help in bringing Iraq under control, but told them that they were next on our list. A perfect way to make friends and influence people.
All that remains is the acknowledgment and acceptance of that loss. Because we cannot be defeated on any battlefield, we have to decide many more lives and how much more money are we willing to throw down this, now bottomless, pit.
If the Democrats and the Republicans are the only ones going to decide this, I’m afraid our losses have only just begun.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI already served my country for more than five years.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Proof?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAnd how do you know that 99% have the opposite point of view?
…
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 19, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
I’d say that 99% is a good estimate. Considering that it is the same percentage as that of civilians who support the troops and don’t want to surrender. If you figure that military is somewhat representative of all Americans, then you get
August 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmis the exact time we lost the War-On-Terror too because we took our eyes off Bin Laden.
Comment by Arby’s
Clinton was offered OBL from the Sudan. He turned down the offer.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI already served my country for more than five years.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Proof?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
The key difference between me and you is that I am who I say I am.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmWhats new is that they are forming alliances (by necessity) with the minority Sunnis to fight the Insurgency. They also make a point of noting how deeply fractured the Maliki Government is and how that does not help our (their) cause and mission.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThe key difference between me and you is that I am who I say I am.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Jane saying you served does not count.
Do you have proof that you served? If not, it’s a lie.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“Liberals claim to support the foundations of this country. It’s time for them to enlist in the military.”
I already did, so STFU!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
You weren’t in combat. Liar.
Comment by Dr. Dog
First he claims none served and then he changes it to served in combat.
He reminds me of the Monty Python & Holy Grail’s knight; armless and legless, still trying to start a fight.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmI say who I am too. I’m Dr. William Dog.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmFirst he claims none served and then he changes it to served in combat.
Comment by barfly
We are at war. Why don’t you enlist, big mouth?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pmThey also make a point of noting how deeply fractured the Maliki Government is and how that does not help our (their) cause and mission.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 19, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Yeah! It seems like those Iraqis don’t want to win! Maybe they will surrender, just like the Dems want to do!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI’m Dr. William Dog. Coward.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Fixed it for you.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe Dems want to surrender to Al Qaeda because they are afraid of them.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmIf you served, you could lecture. But you were too much of a coward, barf fly, to serve.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmDo you have proof that you served? If not, it’s a lie.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Is that how you define what is a “lie”? Just because I have no internet links to provide you that verify what I have been saying, YOU claim that I am lying? That’s pretty ignorant.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmMore nonsence from Lieberator. Try again bub.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmreally, people…
arguing with a dog?
focus… F O C U S …
August 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pm.
Dr. Dog, you established yesterday with real evidence that you were both a coward and a liar.
You have zero credibility and, really, no one here gives a sh!t what your opinion may be.
Oh, well, maybe Mr Pee cares because he’s desperate for friends.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmI say who I am too. I’m Dr. William Dog.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Really? Then why didn’t you answer your page when you were supposedly hanging out at the airport in Austin?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWe are at war. Why don’t you enlist, big mouth?
Comment by Dr. Dog
Another big thinker of the right, who changes the rules because he can’t debate fairly.
Typical.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmI don’t fear Al Qaeda Dr. Mutt. What I do fear is the current occupant of the White House losing it and taking it out on another Country. Like Iran.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pm“I say who I am too. I’m Dr. William Dog.”
And what appears when you Google his name?
Nada.
I’m guessing he’s a “doctor” of divinity; he seems the hypocritical sort, to advocate death and destuction, from behind the safety of some feel-good pastorship.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIt is kinda creepy the way the 29 percenters smear active servicemen. To deny reality in order to prop up a failed policy (and failed administration) is the height of unpatriotic absurdity!
The sooner our occupation ceases, the sooner we can get back to the real necessities of the 21st century. Osama is on the top of that list, but Cheney/Bush has screwed up so royally, there are true crises all over the middle east that we will have to mediate.
I thank the military personnel who have borne the brunt of this misadministration’s stupid policies-and I hope as a nation we can correct our misdirection, and never misuse them again.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmJust because I have no internet links to provide you that verify what I have been saying, YOU claim that I am lying?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
No proof, it’s a lie. Very simple.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThen why didn’t you answer your page when you were supposedly hanging out at the airport in Austin?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I don’t believe anybody paged me.
It’s a large airport. I left from gate 12 on the west corridor. Did you page there?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmI’m guessing he’s a “doctor†of divinity;
Comment by barfly
I hold three doctorates.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWayne must be jumping out of an airplane. (snicker)
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
How do you like squatting to pee. You know real men lift their legs at the hydrant.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmNo proof, it’s a lie. Very simple.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Just what kind of Doctor can’t be found on Google?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI’d say that 99% is a good estimate. Considering that it is the same percentage as that of civilians who support the troops and don’t want to surrender. If you figure that military is somewhat representative of all Americans, then you get
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Why don’t you enlist and then you can find out first hand.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIt is kinda creepy the way the 29 percenters smear active servicemen.
Comment by Emerald
Bush’s approval is up to 37%. The Dem congress is down to 14%, and only 3% on the Iraq issue.
I only call on the NYT to now publish an op/ed from the 99% of the troops who support what we are doing in Iraq. Not only give voice to the small handful of dissenters.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI hold three doctorates.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Then why can’t I locate you on Google?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI hold three doctorates.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
No proof, it’s a lie. Just like you lied yesterday about showing up at Wayne’s gym.
The only paper you’re holding is the newspaper you pee on.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI do fear is the current occupant of the White House losing it and taking it out on another Country. Like Iran.
Comment by Jim Wolf359
The Dems will probably vote to use force against Iran just like they did when they controlled the senate for Iraq.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmClinton was offered OBL from the Sudan. He turned down the offer.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
When he went after OBL the Republican congress accused him of trying to divert attention from the “homeland security threatening” sex investigation the hypocrites were conducting.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWhy don’t you enlist and then you can find out first hand.
Comment by shane
You claim to support the foundations of this county, but you never enlisted, coward.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pm….and never misuse them again. comment by Emerald
That’s what we said after Vietnam. Look what happened.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmProof?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
My fax is on, why don’t you send me a copy of yours.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe Dems will probably vote to use force against Iran just like they did when they controlled the senate for Iraq.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Busted. He’s now changing the subject when I ask why he can’t be located on Google.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhen he went after OBL the Republican congress accused him of trying to divert attention from the “homeland security threatening†sex investigation the hypocrites were conducting.
Comment by shane
That doesn’t explain why he turned down the offer from the sudan to turn over OBL to us.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmYou claim to support the foundations of this county, but you never enlisted, coward.
Comment by Dr. Dog
And neither did you chicky.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pmThe Dems want to surrender to Al Qaeda because they are afraid of them.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
The only thing we’re afraid of is Bushco and their illegal use of powers not really granted to them.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmMy fax is on, why don’t you send me a copy of yours.
Comment by shane
I do all my business by certified mail.
You could never send me your release papers, because you were too much of a coward to serve.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI don’t know what Dog is, but he sure ain’t no doc.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmTRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT tip of the day:
August 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmPunch a hippy for the GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR!!!
Punch a hippy for the GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR!!!
Comment by Liberator —
And get your cowardly ass handed to you…
August 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThat’s a lie that has been debunked countless times but you’re welcome to your faith.
Personally, I couldn’t give a flying fu#k about Clinton if I tried but use your head for a second – even if that lie was not a lie, even if everything IS Clinton’s fault, how does that help us get out of the pickle we are in today?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAnother day another thread filled with troll garbage.
Clean up the sh!t Think Progress.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAnd get your cowardly ass handed to you…
Comment by barfly
By who? No show Wayne?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmPersonally, I couldn’t give a flying fu#k about Clinton
Comment by Arby’s
Well, you should. If he accepted that offer from the Sudan, there would have been no 9-11.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by Abby — August 19, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Clinton lied while under oath about oral sex with an intern!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmYou claim to support the foundations of this county, but you never enlisted, coward.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
How dumb does somebody have to be to expect people who are against the war to sign up to fight it, Dr. Dung? Nevermind, we know they have to be about as dumb as you.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by Dr. Dog
Doggy ain’t no doc, because he can’t prove it.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBill Clinton tried to destroy America, and he let over 1,000,000 innocent people die in Rwanda!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmfollow your own adivce-comment by cowardly yellow cur.
You are about 40 years too late. WTF is your excuse?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmHow dumb does somebody have to be to expect people who are against the war to sign up to fight it, Dr. Dung?
Comment by shane
It’s not a matter of supporting the war. It’s a matter of supporting the foundations of this country. If you did, you would have enlisted at sometime in your lousy life.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWell, you should. If he accepted that offer from the Sudan, there would have been no 9-11.
Comment by Dr. Dog
And if Reagan hadn’t sold weapons to both sides of the Iran, Iraq war, conservatives couldn’t have later whined about all the dead as an excuse for invasion.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmYou are about 40 years too late.
Comment by Uncle Ho
Proof or it’s a lie. Your choice.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmconservatives couldn’t have later whined about all the dead as an excuse for invasion.
Comment by barfly
Most Dems voted for the invasion.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmDr. Dog sez:
And does that sweeping judgement apply to the chickenhawk members of our administration as well?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmYou could never send me your release papers, because you were too much of a coward to serve.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
I never served, I am a female not drafted near the end of the Viet Nam war. I will give you a fax number to send me proof of your service, do you want it now?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThat doesn’t explain why he turned down the offer from the sudan to turn over OBL to us.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
A long ago debunked right-wing talking point perpetrated by NewsMax. Sudan never offered to turn OBL over to us. Clinton pleaded with the Saudis to accept Sudan’s offer to turn OBL over to them, but they refused. As for the 9/11 Commission Report’s findings on this (also cited by your friends at NewsDistortionToTheMax), they had this to say:
Of course, none of this has anything to do with the op-ed piece written by the 82nd Airborne Rangers, which is the real topic of this thread.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmClinton lied while under oath about oral sex with an intern!
Comment by Liberator
Indeed.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThat doesn’t explain why he turned down the offer from the sudan to turn over OBL to us.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Do you have a link for this, if not it’s just a lie.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIf you did, you would have enlisted at sometime in your lousy life.
Comment by Dr. Dog —
really funny coming from a liar like you.
Why can’t I find you on Google, if you’ve submitted three dissertations for doctorates? All other “doctors” records can be found on Google (I know, because I once had to locate certain faculty’s records at my community college.) So where’s your records, and why can’t they be found, Doggy?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI will give you a fax number to send me proof of your service, do you want it now?
Comment by shane
Yes.
Also, give me your phone number because I want to ask you out on a date.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmPunch a hippy for the GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR!!!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Like you know how to throw a punch, fatass pansy.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmStill waiting for your answer, Dr. Dog…
August 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmAll the liberals who post here do nothing but give aid and comfort to our enemies, terrorists, and al-Qaida!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmHey Dog,
I just had you paged at the Austin-Bergstrom airport. Why didn’t you answer?
Comment by Zooey
After I got to the airport I heard 2 pages for Dr. William Dog. He never went to the desk for the pages.
This is just hilarious.
I am still lmao over this.
recap:
I arrived at Bruce’s at about 11, worked out till 1ish when Dog was supposed to be there. He never showed.
Find out Dog was posting, claiming he was on a fantasy wireless connection sitting in Bruces at 1pm Eastern time, by the time stamps.
Katy called Bruce’s, Talked to Bruce, verified no wireless, asked for me, talked to me there at about 1:00. Dog was not there.
Zooey paged Dog and probably someone else did because I heard 2 after I got there. Dog was not there.
Freaking unreal that a troll can be that stupid and think people can not verify things fairly easily.
Comment by Wayne — August 19, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Got anything else to say Lying Dog?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmBy who? No show Wayne?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Wayne was called by another poster and he was at the gym at the appointed time. You are the NO SHOW liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmC’mon doggy, surely you can tell me why I can’t locate the “Doctor William Dog” that you claim to be on Google?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWayne was called by another poster and he was at the gym at the appointed time. You are the NO SHOW liar.
Comment by shane
The phone at Bruce’s is in the back office. Bruce does not work on the weekend. There is no paging system at the gym. Katy lied when she said she called there.
I waited about 2 hours for “Wayne” to show up. He never did.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pmClinton lied while under oath about oral sex with an intern!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Every man in American has lied about getting oral sex or not getting oral sex at some time. Except you, obviously, fatass.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pmI waited about 2 hours for “Wayne†to show up. He never did.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Prove it, or you’re lying.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWell, you should. If he accepted that offer from the Sudan, there would have been no 9-11.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
———————–
What do you propose, turn back time? Like I said, even if this is all Clinton’s fault, it does not matter now. If it’s all Clinton’s fault, try him and execute him but I still don’t see how saying “Clinton, Clinton, Clinton” over and over again gives us a victory in Iraq or gets us out safely. What’s your proposal?
I thought you were with the “looking forward” Party. You have to look forward to more than just more crime, corruption and pedophilia.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmComment by Dr. Dog
Still waiting to find out why “Dr. Dog” apparently doesn’t exist…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmEvery man in American has lied about getting oral sex or not getting oral sex at some time. Except you, obviously, fatass.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Prove it, or you’re lying.
Your choice.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmEvery man in American has lied about getting oral sex or not getting oral sex at some time.
Comment by shane
Except Clinton lied while he was being deposed is a sexual harrassment lawsuit. He violated the law and hindered the young woman’s claim.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmProve it, or you’re lying.
Comment by Rose Tyler
What is your fax number?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmExcept Clinton lied while he was being deposed is a sexual harrassment lawsuit.
And Doggy lied when he claimed to be a doctor…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pm“On this day in 1953, Royalist Forces acting on behalf of Reza Shah Pahlavi, with the aid of the U. S. Central Intelligence Agency, overview Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq.”
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmThere by starting a chain reaction of events that have led us to where we are today. No wonder the Arabs and Muslims despise us.
Bill Clinton tried to destroy America, and he let over 1,000,000 innocent people die in Rwanda!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Funny, like you care about brown people. Why are you not complaining about all the brown people dying in Darfur while Bush is president. Well over a million, where’s your outrage? Complaning about the past while doing nothing while you can. Plus the people of Darfur are being killed by Muslims, it seems like somebody who hates them as much as you do would want to go fight the Janjaweed.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWhat’s your proposal?
Comment by Arby’s
Iraqstat, as proposed by America’s Mayor, Rudy Giuliani.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmStill waiting for a response to my earlier question Dr. Dog. Do you think you could take a break from your apocryphal claims long enough to respond?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmLiberals claim to be Pro-America, but then they defend a CRIMINAL like Bill “Slick Willy” Clinton (known sex offender) and slander the US troops!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmDr William Dog does not exist outside of Thinkprogress.
Imagine that.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmComment by Dr. Dog
Shouldn’t the Dr. part be in ironic parenthesis, as he isn’t really a doctor?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmIt’s not a matter of supporting the war. It’s a matter of supporting the foundations of this country. If you did, you would have enlisted at sometime in your lousy life.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
You’re probably right. That’s why we need the draft NOW to ensure that people properly support the country. When did you serve?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmshane would NEVER be hard up for a date with the likes of cowardly yellow-cur.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmWhat is your fax number?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
I don’t have a fax machine. What’s your fax number?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmDr William Dog does not exist outside of Thinkprogress.
Imagine that.
Comment by Rose Tyler
Link, or ADMIT YOU LIED.
Your choice, perky tits.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmOops, that’s “ironic quotation marks” not parenthesis.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmHey, Dr. Dog. I’m STILL WAITING, jackass.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI don’t have a fax machine.
Comment by Rose Tyler
What is the Kinko’s near you? I will fax my evidence there.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmHey, Uncle Ho.
Zooey :)
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWhat is your fax number?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Fax number: 323-876-9447
Let me know when you have sent proof of service and/or proof that you’re a doctor.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmDr William Dog does not exist outside of Thinkprogress.
Imagine that.
Comment by Rose Tyler
—
Dr. William Dog fixed my hand after I broke a bone punchin’ hippies! He’s not only real, but he is a damn good doctor!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmLink, or ADMIT YOU LIED.
Your choice, perky tits.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Link what, jackass?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by Dr. Dog
All anyone need do is google the name. He’s a fiction.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmLiberals claim to be Pro-America, but then they defend a CRIMINAL like Bill “Slick Willy†Clinton (known sex offender) and slander the US troops!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Proof? He was found not guilty of being a sex offender.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThat’s why we need the draft NOW to ensure that people properly support the country. When did you serve?
Comment by shane
We need a draft to ensure that liberals actually serve their own country, instead of laying in bed.
If you give me your fax number, I will fax you papers.
Also, if you give me your phone number, I would like to ask you out on a date.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWhat is the Kinko’s near you? I will fax my evidence there.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
I don’t have a Kinkos near me, fax your proof to Shane.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmDr. William Dog fixed my hand after I broke a bone punchin’ hippies! He’s not only real, but he is a damn good doctor!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Like I said earlier, Mr Pee is desperate for friends, even online faux friends, so we can expect him to make up sh!t in support of Doggy.
How did the hippies get into your mom’s basement, anyway? It sounds like you stole this from an episode of South Park.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmEvery man in American has lied about getting oral sex or not getting oral sex at some time. Except you, obviously, fatass.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Prove it, or you’re lying.
Your choice.
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
REAL MEN know this is true. Thanks for taking the bait.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmAlso, if you give me your phone number, I would like to ask you out on a date.
Comment by Dr. Dog —
And next come the ruffies…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWell, well, well. It appears that “Dr. Dog” is too terrified of me to even respond.
Imagine that.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmTrolls don’t answer questions they ask them. Ignore them & they’ll look more foolish… if that’s possible.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmdog thinks the Austin airport is big.
mr. p is scared of hippies.
we’re dealing w/ one small sniveler here.
ahhhhh…..
the sickening smell of suck that emanates from a sad and lonely
August 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmyoung republican get together.
Poor doggy. When Mr. P gives you a testimonial, you know you’ve hit rock bottom.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmAlso, if you give me your phone number, I would like to ask you out on a date.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
My husband doesn’t like me to date other men.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmREAL MEN know this is true. Thanks for taking the bait.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
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Prove it. It sounds more like YOU’VE been lied to, honey!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWhat association do you have with Oakwood Apartments?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Could you let me know when you send the fax. I’m not hanging around the machine like Wayne did the gym yesterday.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Is that your own personal information you posted there or someone else’s?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmLiberator wants proof of how real men behave. Ha ha ha. He’s doing research I guess.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIs that your own personal information you posted there or someone else’s?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
I posted a fax number and Dog posted the rest. He could have just faxed the papers.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI posted a fax number and Dog posted the rest. He could have just faxed the papers.
Comment by shane
A fax number? Or your fax number?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmIs that your own personal information you posted there or someone else’s?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Best guess is “someone else’s.” Google should have revealed his so-called doctorate thesi, but nada.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI posted a fax number and Dog posted the rest. He could have just faxed the papers.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
That’s not his own information?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmDr. William Dog, ronjazz has ODed on meth on the top thread.
It is called:
“Cooper Contradicts Rove: He’s ‘Dissembling’ With ‘Nonsense’ About The Plame Leak”
When you have a chance, he requested that you make him look like a foolish liberal.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmA question for TP regulars. Does Shane live anywhere near California?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmA fax number? Or your fax number?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
The fax number I use. I don’t need my own fax machine, obviously.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmA fax number? Or your fax number?
Comment by Dr. Dog
The smell of desperation…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmShane:
Check your FB.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmStill no response…but we’re supposed to believe that a person too cowardly to answer a question put to him on a blog has the stones to travel to another city to engage in fisticuffs with another poster.
What a joke.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmA question for TP regulars. Does Shane live anywhere near California?
Yes.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThat’s not his own information?
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Nope, it’s from the fax machine I use.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmNope, it’s from the fax machine I use.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Dr Dog will disappear for that. Thanks, shane.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI posted a fax number and Dog posted the rest. He could have just faxed the papers.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
From the Terms of Use agreement. (The link is below for those who want “proof”.) If it was you that posted it, shane, then there is no violation. Did you give “it” permission to post your personal information? (You do not have to confirm or deny the accuracy of what he posted, simply whether or not you gave him permission to do so.)
August 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmDr Dog will disappear for that. Thanks, shane.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
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Dr. Dog is with another patient right now, so you’ll have to wait for a nurse to fax the documents.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmI don’t need my own fax machine, obviously.
Comment by shane
OK, I caused documents to be faxed to that number.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmOK, I caused documents to be faxed to that number.
Asked your mommy did you?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmLook over all the documents, Shane. I’m sure they will meet your satisfaction. There are 10 pages including the cover sheet.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmOK, I caused documents to be faxed to that number.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
I will retrieve them in the next hour or so. I DID NOT ASK YOU TO POST ALL THAT INFORMATION. OBVIOUSLY I CAN’T GO GET THEM NOW SINCE YOU POSTED ALL MY PERSONAL DATA TO THE WORLD.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWell, I’ve had fun exposing doggy as a fraud, but I’m not going to waste anymore time on this pathetic tool.
To review:
1. He isn’t a vet, or active duty – he’s never served.
2. He isn’t a doctor, or a boxer.
3. He knows nothing of personal sacrifice, ethical or moral behavior, and acts in a cowardly manner whenever challenged.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Is there anything a fellow troll does that you won’t support?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmI will retrieve them in the next hour or so.
Comment by shane
Let me know what you think. All of the evidence is there.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by shane
Just one question: is his name even Dog?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by shane — August 19, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
I sent emails to TP, and to Faiz directly, asking that this creep be banned.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Good. I also wrote to TP asking if he violated the Terms of Use.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pm*Sigh*….remember when TP had quality trolls?
Whatever happened to them?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmI also sent an email to TP saying that although Dr. Dog can lick his own balls & Liberator’s balls that does not classify him accurately as a Dog. His alias must be adjusted.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pmJust got back from fax machine. Nothing has arrived for me. I will give Rose Tyler the number to confirm that on fb.
barfly, did you think he would really have anything to fax?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmMilitary commanders tell Brown to withdraw from Iraq without delay
Senior military commanders have told the Government that Britain can achieve “nothing more” in south-east Iraq, and that the 5,500 British troops still deployed there should move towards withdrawal
http://www.independent.co.uk/
August 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmGood. I also wrote to TP asking if he violated the Terms of Use.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Will you copy your email to Faiz, as well? The weekend staff at TP leaves something to be desired.
FShakir@americanprogress.org
August 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmJust got back from fax machine. Nothing has arrived for me.
Comment by shane
Check the ink and paper.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmshane sez:
There’s a shocker…
</snark>
August 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmCrayon doesn’t fax well.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmShane drove across town and back in only 9 minutes, (as shown on time stamp)?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Done. Thanks.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmCheck the ink and paper.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Yeah, and the check is in the mail…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmYeah, and the check is in the mail…
Comment by barfly
Shane either gave me a bogus number, didn’t really check it, or the machine is out of ink and paper.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI think after this little episode, he should always be referred to a weinerdog.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmAnother lib lied to me. What a shocker!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“check the ink and paper”
“i was there and wayne wasn’t”
“i have three doctorates”
too funny…
still, i can’t believe you all went this far with that one…
what a waste…
…
sam’s on in 15…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmseriously, check it out.
.
Dr. Dog sez:
Given what I know about shane, and what I know about you, it’s far more likely that you’re a liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmShane either gave me a bogus number, didn’t really check it, or the machine is out of ink and paper.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Shane sent me the number to the office where that fax machine is located, and I just talked to them. No fax has arrived. The machine is in working order, with paper and ink.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI just received an e-mail from Faiz. He said that shane was asking for it, and that Dr. Dog should not be blamed.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmCheck the ink and paper.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Already did that. No faxes in memory or pending. No problem with the phone line at all.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThe machine is in working order, with paper and ink.
Comment by Rose Tyler —
Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh…
It just keeps getting better!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmShane sent me the number to the office where that fax machine is located, and I just talked to them. No fax has arrived. The machine is in working order, with paper and ink.
Comment by Rose Tyler
I also called that number. The man at the front desk is holding the 10 pages as we speak. Shane probably needs to ask for the fax from Dr. William Dog.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmGiven what I know about shane, and what I know about you, it’s far more likely that you’re a liar.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 19, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
There’s one common denominator in all those lies — “Dr Dog”
I don’t think he understands the network we’ve formed behind the scenes. :)
August 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmShane drove across town and back in only 9 minutes, (as shown on time stamp)?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Who said I drove accross town?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI don’t know what Dog is, but he sure ain’t no doc.
Comment by barfly — August 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
It’s our old friend mr. p, in his doggie dung persona today. A part-time student who has issues with father-figure authority and likes to tell others to do what he has no balls to do himself.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmI just received an e-mail from Faiz. He said that shane was asking for it, and that Dr. Dog should not be blamed.
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Put it up, liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmShane probably needs to ask for the fax from Dr. William Dog.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Or from Capt. Buttplug. They’re both fictional characters…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmShane either gave me a bogus number, didn’t really check it, or the machine is out of ink and paper.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
You verified the number and posted personal information on here. You proved that the number was accurate. I didn’t say I was across town, I didn’t want to pinpoint the time I was going to check the fax machine since you posted all the info on where I would be.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm“sacrificing their troops for somebody’s political legacy or mutiny (which, during wartime, can be punishable by death, according to the UCMJ).”
Well, they are clear on that one. Congress has not declared war. There is no war in Iraq, there is simply an occupation of another country. So, if they want to mutiny, they should do it. There is no reason for them to sacrifice their life to occupy a country that doesn’t want us there.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmDid you ask the man for the fax?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmI just received an e-mail from Faiz. He said that shane was asking for it, and that Dr. Dog should not be blamed.
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Put it up, liar.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Gee, Rose, you and I e-mailed Faiz and I haven’t received a response from him on this matter, have you? I find it hard to believe that Faiz would have sent an e-mail to “Liberator” who, in theory, was not part of this dispute at all. It was between shane and “(non)-Dr. Dog”, so why would “Liberator” get any such e-mail? Unless, of course, “Dr. Dog” and “Liberator” are, as we all suspect, one and the same person.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pmYou proved that the number was accurate.
Comment by shane
It’s accurate as far as it’s a real fax. The man at the front desk is holding my fax. It’s bogus because you looked the fax number up on google and pretended that it was a fax you used.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pmDid you ask the man for the fax?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
No I asked the girl working at the desk.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pmNo I asked the girl working at the desk.
Comment by shane
I have the man on the phone right now. There is no girl at any desk.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pmDr Dog sez:
Again, Dr. Dog, given our prior knowledge of shane and yourself, we know whose being truthful here, and who’s lying.
You’re not fooling anyone.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pmLiberator proves he’s a liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmDr. Dog is a pathological liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmLiberator proves he’s a liar.
Comment by Dave C
This is ironic coming from you.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI’ve got the man on the phone right now & he has no fax & has never heard of Dr. Dog. Says he doesn’t watch NickToons.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmAgain, Dr. Dog, … You’re not fooling anyone.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
If you’re still calling him Dr., he is.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI’ve got the man on the phone right now
Comment by Dave C
Yet Shane said it is a girl at the desk. Busted!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmOf course active duty soldiers see the reality that the Neocon cowards here cannot from the comfort of the mom and dad’s house.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmBusted!
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007
Just like when I Googled your name.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYet Shane said it is a girl at the desk. Busted!
Yet you say you spoke to a man. Busted. You must have been referring to your date for tonight.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmPut it up, liar.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
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Okay. This was sent to my e-mail a few minutes ago. It’s from Faiz.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Holla’ atcha’ boy,
Fizzle
Ok, that proves it. My bad.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmbarfly sez:
He’s about as much of a “doctor” as “Doctor Pepper” is.
Referring to him by the nick he’s chosen does not equal an endorsement of his apocryphal claims.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmRare Footage Of Pleading Iraqi Prisoners In Wire Mesh Cages.
BAGHDAD – Rare footage from inside a Baghdad prison camp shows hundreds of inmates packed into wire-mesh tents, protesting their innocence.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1187481767
Disgusting behaviour once again LOOK AT THE WIRE CAGES WITH !)) INMATES DISGUSTING
August 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmDid you ask the man for the fax?
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
The apartment complex has approximately 1,200 apartments. When I went to the office I asked the girl who was manning the front desk. She checked all possible locations for faxes. I did not ask the other people at the office, rental agents, etc. to double check what the girl at the desk told me. It is temporary housing and people check in all day every day.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHe’s about as much of a “doctor†as “Doctor Pepper†is.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Yet I’ve treated Ronjazz for drug addiction.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
We all know Mr Pee is an unrepentant liar, and out of control bipolar patient.
I see he has posted the “email” he got from Faiz. I guess he assumes Faiz is as ignorant and uneducated as he is.
**yawn**
August 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmIs there a reason why two threads are being tied up with this crazy crap about what a troll like doggie dung says? The same arguments are going on on the Rove thread above.
Neither are furthering any meaningful dialogue here.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“Referring to him by the nick he’s chosen does not equal an endorsement of his apocryphal claims.”
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
But it does seeminlg confer unearned authority on a proven liar. He’s demonstrated that he’s no Doc, and to call him one demeans the concept.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmRare Footage Of Pleading Iraqi Prisoners In Wire Mesh Cages.
BAGHDAD – Rare footage from inside a Baghdad prison camp shows hundreds of inmates packed into wire-mesh tents, protesting their innocence.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f3_1187481767
Disgusting behaviour once again LOOK AT THE WIRE CAGES WITH !)) INMATES DISGUSTING………………….
American TV should show this video
August 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmYet I’ve treated Ronjazz for drug addiction.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
You’re a hell of a “doctor,” aren’t you? I guess you’ve never heard of the HIPPA rules of privacy, and the Hippocratic Oath.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDr. Dog sez:
Another bullshit apocryphal claim…but the important thing is that you’ve managed to overcome your cowardice long enough to respond directly to me! Well done!
Now that you’ve done that, perhaps you can answer the question I asked of you over an hour ago. Think you’re up to it, “Doctor”?
August 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
In fairness, that was the e-mail “Liberator” claimed to have sent. Why Faiz would respond to that nonsense and not us is beyond comprehension.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmDisgusting behaviour once again LOOK AT THE WIRE CAGES WITH !)) INMATES DISGUSTING………………….
American TV should show this video
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
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Yes, but Americans should respect the way the Iraqis want to imprison criminals. Who are we to judge, right?
August 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmVP al-Hashimi (Sunni Arab) released on Saturday photos of Iraqi prisoners held by the government in wire cages, provoking outrage. Al-Hashimi said that the problem would be resolved. At one point he tried to comfort a prisoner by pointing out that at least the penitentiary was safe, whereas Iraqis free on the outside are not.
Hint: When the vice president of your country thinks you are safer and better off in a wire cage prison than you would be walking free in the streets of your capital, that is not a good sign.
http://www.juancole.com/
4 years with no trials
August 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmComment by Tobey Tall — August 19, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
What’s your problem, Tobey? Scotsman’s Burden?
Why can’t you just respect the way that the Iraqis want to imprison criminals? What, not enough freckles for you?
August 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe point is the US arrested most of them
August 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWhile this might be off-topic, it is very relevant to TP’s current situation:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm
It’s a list of flamers, by their psychological makeup.
(From C&L)
August 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
No. That is the e-mail that I received from Faiz.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmComment by Tobey Tall — August 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Thanks, Tobey. I truly wish our own media would show those scenes, because otherwise we’re forced to accept that what the documented liars in our administration have been telling us. And the International Community would find this unacceptable, not just our two countries. Despite what some might think, this kind of treatment deserves no respect at all.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThere is a facility right here that will allow you to find anyone on a statewide basis. I propose that each of us scan for a William Dog within their own state. We should have a hit in minutes. Names are in the second set of selections.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmMy mistake. You did claim it was sent from Faiz. Of course, Faiz has never responded to my e-mails in such incoherent gobbledy-gook, so I have no reason at all to believe that it is legitimate. I do believe, however, that “Dr. Dog” and “Liberator” are the same person, who likely alternates which hand reaches into his own lap while he types.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmComment by WaltTheMan — August 19, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Thanks, Walt. I typed in last name “Dog”, first name “William” , state “NY” and this is what it said:
Unable to return results…
Reason: No listings were found.
We searched on William Dog in NY however; we could not find any listings to display.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmFrom the link I posted (about flamers):
“Palooka- Palooka will battle anyone, anytime, anywhere – he seems to love it, even though he always takes a beating. After a terrific pounding at the hands of, for example, Kung-Fu Master, he’ll just struggle to his feet and wobble back into the ring. His astonishing ability to absorb punishment leads one to suspect that during his long Warrior career Palooka has taken a few too many punches. Often, as an act of mercy, Nanny will step in to stop the fight.”
August 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
I got the same results in FL. You might remember that site, when trying to find a business, it sometimes even provides maps.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:27 pmMilitary Commanders Tell Brown to Withdraw From Iraq Without Delay
Senior military commanders have told the Government that Britain can achieve “nothing more” in south-east Iraq, and that the 5,500 British troops still deployed there should move towards withdrawal without further delay.
http://www.independent.co.uk/
FRONT PAGE OF PAPER http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00253/p1-190807_253702b.jpg
August 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWell…it’s been about a hakf-hour since Dr Dog responded directly to me, and I used that opportunity to remind him of the question he had so studiously ignored.
30 minutes of complete silence from Dr. Dog.
Just remember, folks…rational discussion is like holy water to these mouth-breathers.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe trolls can’t dispute the topics here today so they are just wasting everybody’s energy so we don’t discuss it.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“Them troops is COMMUNISTS! TERRIST SYMPAMATIZERS!”
I have a terrist in my home. But, he’s a Norwich Terrier not a “terrorist”. Although sometimes I wonder. I sometimes call him my terrierist.
If you want people to listen to you, use a spell checker before you post. It’s posts like yours that help us understand why 26% of Americans still support Bush. They are either incredibly wealthy or have an IQ in the room temperature range.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI do believe, however, that “Dr. Dog†and “Liberator†are the same person, who likely alternates which hand reaches into his own lap while he types.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
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That’s not true, Wayne. First of all, as I already explained, I broke a bone in my hand while punching hippies, so I only have one hand to type with anyway and I do not have the pleasure of reaching into my own lap while I type. Secondly, if we were the same person, how would I have gotten my broken hand wrapped up all professional like?
You theory doesn’t make sense to me, Wayne, and besides, I’m not even a doctor.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pm“Well…it’s been about a hakf-hour since Dr Dog responded directly to me, and I used that opportunity to remind him of the question he had so studiously ignored.”
Just like m12 (mommy12). He was going great guns on another thread and then I asked him a question he didn’t know how to answer and he went “poof”. They know how to throw sh1t on the floor and that’s about it.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pm“Why can’t you just respect the way that the Iraqis want to imprison criminals? What, not enough freckles for you?
Comment by Liberator “
They are simply following our lead. We took out Saddam supposedly because he was a brutal dictator who tortured the citizens or Iraq. And what are we now? The brutal occupiers who torture citizens or Iraq. We have become the enemy.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMust have been a massive corn accident here, LOTS OF CHICKENHAWKS…
August 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by bilbobaggins — August 19, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Don’t comdem our armed forces. The group that is upsetting Iraqs is the neocon mercenaries provided by Blackwater and KBR. They actually provide a larger force than the military.
August 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 19, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Dr. Dog left the building. Speaking of that, has anyone experienced a Dr. Dog sighting?
August 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI hold three doctorates.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
People don’t get three doctorates, except maybe the mail order kind. Once you have one REAL doctorate it is assumed you can train yourself into a new field.
What an idiot.
August 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm*
HEY, KIDS – i am reminded on SAM, this story SHOULD be given every bit of TV time and news coverage as the ohanlon b.s. of last week…
REMEMBER THIS STORY – PASS IT ON – DO NOT LET THIS DIE
Active-duty soldiers reject myth that escalation is working.
A group of infantrymen and officers of the 82nd Airborne Division write in the New York Times today that they are “skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable.†Reports of progress, they say, have “neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day.†They write:
…
August 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI hold three doctorates.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
This is insulting to educated people but I am willing to give the benefit of doubt but nobody gets 3 doctorial degrees. Would you like to give some specifics so I can take you seriously and treat you with the respect you deserve. I only have two masters and have been on the fence as to whether or not a doctorial degree would really benefit me in any significant way.
August 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe phone at Bruce’s is in the back office. Bruce does not work on the weekend. There is no paging system at the gym. Katy lied when she said she called there.
I waited about 2 hours for “Wayne†to show up. He never did.
Comment by Dr. Dog
I live in Austin and read here, but almost never post.
This Dog guy is a liar.
My son takes boxing lessons from Bruce’s KO. Bruce’s desk is the first thing you see walking in the door. Directly to the left are the tread mills, then weights. Past the weights is the door to the ring and to the right is the bag room, no door, open walkway.
August 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmGen. Petraeus and Bush need to listen to the soldiers on the ground in Iraq. These active-duty soldiers are correct about the lack of progress in Iraq. Bush has taken away the self-respect of the Iraqis, our forces are now occupying Iraq. Under these conditions political progress is virtually impossible. Attempts to sell the surge (O’Hanlon and Pollack op-ed) have been unsuccessful like the surge itself.
August 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Thank you, Saldariel. :)
August 19th, 2007 at 6:20 pmRose,
Notice the eerie Troll quiet since Salderial’s post hit?
August 19th, 2007 at 6:35 pmupside00,
Yep, I hope he sticks around. :)
August 19th, 2007 at 6:40 pmRose Tyler = Saldariel
August 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmThat is total bullshit, Mr Pee. God, you are such a pussy.
August 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
My old man got a PhD, as did all but one of his siblings (an MD). In the 30’s and 40’s when that meant a lot of moola. Now, most PhDs are in education and MSs earn about 30% more because the PhDs are overqualified except for when they manage to enter research.
August 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pmRose Tyler = Saldariel
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
mr. p, Got proof?
August 19th, 2007 at 6:51 pmNow, most PhDs are in education and MSs earn about 30% more because the PhDs are overqualified except for when they manage to enter research.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 19, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Are you sure “most” are in education? This is very surprising to me. I am pretty sure that most are in engineering and science, where PhDs are highly valuable and nearly all students are fully supported with tuition and salary in the $15-25K per year range. Nearly all PhDs in engineering and science work in their chosen technical field (or something similar), and most are not “over-qualified” for their job.
August 19th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThat is total bullshit, Mr Pee. God, you are such a pussy.
Comment by Rose Tyler — August 19, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
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Wow. Zooey calls people “a pussy.” I was told that Libs found that term to be sexist.
“Progressive” indeed.
August 19th, 2007 at 6:58 pmComment by WaltTheMan — August 19, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
That’s the thing. I’m in ed primarily. My dad got a full professorship with no PhD but that was back in the day. There are so many Docs in the natural sciences already and I still enjoy the high schoolers so for now I quess it’s all good
August 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pmCheers and best to your well educated kin.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
I wouldn’t use that term on anyone for whom I had respect, so it’s of no consequence to me if you are offended.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:09 pmPussy is a fun word. So is tits. Lighten up Makarios.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:13 pmLighten up Makarios.
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
The trolls are SOOO touchy tonight. Must be the truth of losing PudgeBoy rover’s talking points. Got them all nervous and such.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:17 pmRose Tyler = Saldariel
Comment by Liberator
No, I am not Rose.
I live west of Burnet where Bruce’s is on the west side of mopac, near anderson mills in NW Austin. my son goes to West. My zipcode is 78727. you are one silly nino
August 19th, 2007 at 7:28 pmThank you, Saldariel. :)
Comment by Rose Tyler
Theres enough lies going on. I was reading and realized they were talking about where my son takes lessons.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pmBruces has no back office, his desk is at the front door. He watches the weight room when not doing lessons. That’s the god’s honest truth.
Comment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Our pet troll, mr p/liberator and whatever other alias he uses, likes to test the new posters here and see if they are doing what he does; use multiple names. You will figure it out very quickly.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:34 pmyou are one silly nino
Comment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
One small correction, Saldariel…
“You are one silly nina… NINA…”
There, now it’s correct.
Actually, that’s rather insulting to women, isn’t it? I apologize, ladies.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:51 pmYou will figure it out very quickly.
Comment by upside00
it looks almost like this “mr p/liberator” maybe is also this dog creature too, no?
August 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmseems so to me. they both act the same.
seems so to me. they both act the same.
Comment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised in the least…
August 19th, 2007 at 7:59 pmNo. I’m not Dr. Dog. Wrong again, liberals.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:20 pmNo. I’m not Dr. Dog. Wrong again, liberals.
Comment by Makarios
if you say so, chilito.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:30 pmNo. I’m not Dr. Dog. Wrong again, liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
But… but… the similarities are astonishing.
You both live fact-free existences.
Neither of you have nads, whether by freakish birth flaw or deliberate act – “tutoting”.
And you both cr*pped your pantyhose when you had the chance to spar w/ Wayne, or in your case, HIS DAUGHTER.
Jes’ pointin’ it out… thas all!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 8:30 pmSaldariel, we actually pooled enough money one night to fly Mr P out to Austin to free spar w/ WAYNE’S daughter and he took off running so fast… it was hysterical.
While we were all on one thread asking, “Funny, where did he go?”, he was going around to threads w/ no activity just posting his name, over and over, like a dog marking territory.
And don’t even ask about the time he tried to sell this nonsense about the Saudis not being Moslems here.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:33 pmMr. Stupidity,
You were a fool to think that I would agree to fight a female. I live by a Strickt Code of Efficks, and I will not strike a woman.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:35 pmYou were a fool to think that I would agree to fight a female. I live by a Strickt Code of Efficks, and I will not strike a woman.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
She would make Chutney of your phony *ss. You’re a liar and a coward.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:37 pmsaldariel – welcome…
i beg of you… try your damnedest to resist any direct responces to the trolls… they have no purpose but to distract and derail the thread…
but you’ve already figured that out!…
post any valuable information to refute or pushback their lies,
but ignore them, and the urge to communicate directly, please…
that said, you can tell, easily, which posters truly want
an intelligent conversation…
many of the trolls here are actually one or two who juggle
different computers, tabs and personalities… a lost cause…
but the pushback information is great for the readers who want
to learn and understand… and i’m all for that!
but you do what you gotta do!
again, welcome!
August 19th, 2007 at 8:39 pm…
While we were all on one thread asking, “Funny, where did he go?â€, he was going around to threads w/ no activity just posting his name, over and over, like a dog marking territory.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
making up for his chilito. ;)
he should just stick to one name. chilito fits what he is and how he acts, he should use that.
have to get the kids from the movie.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:41 pmi beg of you… try your damnedest to resist any direct responces to the trolls… they have no purpose but to distract and derail the thread…
but you’ve already figured that out!…
post any valuable information to refute or pushback their lies,
but ignore them, and the urge to communicate directly, please…
Sorry… they got to me today. As proven more than once, these Rules of Engagement work very well.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:46 pmWell, you should. If he accepted that offer from the Sudan, there would have been no 9-11.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
not quite true doggy – the sudanese never offered to give up obl – he left of his own accord in 1996 – sudan was blacklisted by the u.s. after a sudanese diplomatic mission to nyc was involved in a plot to blow up the u.n. building there – sure, clinton didn’t do much in the way of going after obl – but then again,neither has dubbya
August 19th, 2007 at 8:56 pmComment by VerbalKint — August 19, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
It’s true. Most business considers an MS or MA as a final filter. The success rate at that level is about 85-95%. Of those achieving the PhD level, the success rate shrinks to about 65% because they are actually overqualified when they enter the job market. Since a company has to train an individual in its ways, the extra time spent outside of industry is not that advantageous except in corporate research and PhD candidates throw the dice when they choose their research topic.
August 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pmWe learned more truth in this one New York Times story sent in by front-line troops of the 82nd Airborne than we’ve heard at any White House or Pentagon briefing.
I salute the writers of this great article. They are true American patriots, as are all the front-line troops thrown into this totally unnecessary war in Iraq. And I wish them all a safe tour in Iraq and a safe return to our freedom-loving shores.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThe surge is more of a PR stunt than an effective military strategy.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI recall the strategic hamlet operation in Nam as much of the same BS.
also, Saldariel @ 5:49 pm – for the record, i did not lie about
August 19th, 2007 at 9:09 pmcalling bruce’s… turns out, i’m told, it was an inspired notion…
just as zooey/rose’s was to call the airport…
funny how this ties together… kind of like a 6-degress game…
it is a small world…
…
oh, and tros… i know how you are…
August 19th, 2007 at 9:11 pm;-)
I am totally shocked to see Herr Mutt back on this site after the humiliation it suffered over the weekend.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:15 pmAs Jimmy Dean’s original muppet Ralph once said…
“The Man Has No Shame!”
Let’s see, we have this:
No. I’m not Dr. Dog. Wrong again, liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
And then, fifteen minutes later, he forgets to change his screen name
Mr. Stupidity,
You were a fool to think that I would agree to fight a female. I live by a Strickt Code of Efficks, and I will not strike a woman.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Looks like he outed himself again.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:45 pmalso, Saldariel @ 5:49 pm – for the record, i did not lie about
calling bruce’s… turns out, i’m told, it was an inspired notion…
just as zooey/rose’s was to call the airport…
funny how this ties together… kind of like a 6-degress game…
it is a small world…
Comment by katy — August 19, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
i read that, it was funny. very smart
August 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pmthis dog character,when he said “back office”, i had to speak out the truth. the dog is a bold liar
Comment by katy — August 19, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
katy, if you want six degrees of separation, I met my first cube mate and my wife met her college room mate when we were assigned in Germany. We were 3500 miles from home, yet rented homes in the same village in Germany which had a total population of 12,000 people..
August 19th, 2007 at 9:47 pmComment by katy
when i said theres enough lies going on, i mean in government and with these trolls.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pmi did not mean anyone else, not you. sorry if i offended
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
Well, looks like it’s confirmed then.
Mr. P = Dr. Dog = Makarios = Liberator.
From now on, I say anyone who engages in friendly exchanges with Mr. P is immediately a suspect too.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:56 pmWhile Goerge Jr is in office, we still have another seventeen months of shelf stock to move, oil profits to steal and haliburton contracts overprice. Just give the “surge” some more time…
August 19th, 2007 at 9:58 pmComment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
I do not think that katy is taking you amiss.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:59 pmFrom now on, I say anyone who engages in friendly exchanges with Mr. P is immediately a suspect too.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Do you avoid eye contact with your local “fool”? Is this not a community?
August 19th, 2007 at 10:00 pmDo you avoid eye contact with your local “fool�
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
No, I don’t. But I don’t befriend him either.
Befriending a fool makes you one too.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:06 pmIve been trying to post something on topic but the filter keeps eating my comments.
::sigh::
August 19th, 2007 at 10:07 pmLooks like he outed himself again.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
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Come on, Wayne S., you can do better than that. Re-read the posts, Dr. Dog was supposed to fight Wayne, while they were trying to get me to fight Wayne’s daughter. That is why I said “I will not strike a woman.”
August 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pmIve been trying to post something on topic but the filter keeps eating my comments.
::sigh::
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
Well, there’s your problem! Staying on topic simply confuses the filter. You gotta mix it up a bit, like this:
I have a great deal of respect for those 82nd Airborne guys, any one of whom could kick Dr. Dog’s ass.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:10 pmBefriending a fool makes you one too.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
It certainly can but it need not. I wish all would use good taste but I would not silence those that do not. Just go around em.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pmI would not silence those that do not.
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Who said anything about “silencing” anyone?
Just go around em.
Precisely the point of my post.
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:17 pmComment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Yes you are. You are Mr President, who is also Dr Dog and Liberator.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
LOL! That’s a good one!
My post was perfectly on topic, no curses, no harassing anyone. Maybe the kind of post the filter doesn’t like. I will try to poke fun at some random troll next time -it’s not that hard after all ;-)
August 19th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI say anyone who engages in friendly exchanges with Mr. P is immediately a suspect too.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Seems to codemn those that choose not to go around and thus inhibits open discussion. I have no beef I’m “just saying”
August 19th, 2007 at 10:22 pmI say anyone who engages in friendly exchanges with Mr. P is immediately a suspect too.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
I hope by “friendly exchanges”, you’re referring to those posts of his where one of his personalities effusively praises another. I’ve been trying to turn him to the side of Goodness and Light and encouraging him to use his sarcasm against the other trolls. But, alas, the Dark Side has its grips on him.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:25 pmthus inhibits open discussion.
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
You are not seriously implying there is anything remotely similar to a discussion with Mr. P, are you?
Have you noticed his psychotic rants? And how do you suggest we engage anyone in a discussion (open or otherwise) when they resort to sockpuppets to make it look as if someone else agrees with them?
Befriend Mr. P if you are so inclined. Don’t pretend he has anything to add to a discussion; don’t insult my intelligence.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:28 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
I’m not Dr. Dog.
Here is the post (#304) that might be confusing:
Here, TRoS is talking about to separate incidents. But, in an attempt to be cute or out of negligence, he only uses “you” and “your.” He wanted me to fight Wayne’s daughter, but Dr. Dog was the one who was supposed to fight Wayne.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:29 pmyou’re referring to those posts of his where one of his personalities effusively praises another.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
Those are exactly the ones I am talking about.
Arguing & discussing is one thing, praising & smooching in another entirely.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:30 pmComment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
We know that you are Mr President, and we know that Mr President is also Dr Dog and Liberator. Are you going to deny any of that?
August 19th, 2007 at 10:31 pmBefriend Mr. P if you are so inclined. Don’t pretend he has anything to add to a discussion; don’t insult my intelligence.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 19, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
The poster(s) you mention adds nothing in my opinion. My concern was that you seem to be suggesting that anyone who engages the fool is somehow the same as he/them. Although I see no moment where I disrespected you or your intelligence, I regret that you feel I have.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pmAre you going to deny any of that?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
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Yes, you are mistaken.
Dr. Dog =/= Mr. P
August 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
So, Dr. Dog, I am interested in hearing which disciplines you hold a doctorate in.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:41 pmYes, you are mistaken.
Dr. Dog =/= Mr. P
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
Then explain something to everyone. We all know that Mr President went through a spell where he kept posting under various Roman names (because he was getting banned). He posted under names like AVGVSTVS and, one of your favorites, GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR OCTAVIANVS. Those are facts and everyone here knows it.
So how come you left a comment on my blog posting it under your blogspot account Makarios, which has pictures of Augustus and Julias Caesar on it, and then signed the comment at the end with “Mr President”? I don’t think that’s just a coincidence.
People may go see the most recent post on my blog and check the comments if they would like to see it for themselves.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:42 pmSo, Dr. Dog, I am interested in hearing which disciplines you hold a doctorate in.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 19, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
I think that is which 3 disciplines
August 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pmi did not mean anyone else, not you. sorry if i offended
Comment by Saldariel — August 19, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
no offense at all… i knew what you meant…
and i meant no offense to you…
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thanks, walt… yep, small world…
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and, my guess is that the dog and pee are 2 separate characters…
August 19th, 2007 at 10:44 pmbut i usually lump all the troolls as just that…
(for saldariel – that is my pet name for the trolls/tools)
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I think that is which 3 disciplines
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
which is why I used the plural
I won’t ever get an answer to this question anyway. But it would certainly be hilarious if I did.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:49 pmTest
August 19th, 2007 at 10:50 pmDr. Dog, I am interested in hearing which disciplines you hold a doctorate in.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 19, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
I think that is which 3 disciplines
Comment by dbadass
Roll over, sit up, and fetch?
August 19th, 2007 at 10:51 pmSo how come you left a comment on my blog posting it under your blogspot account Makarios, which has pictures of Augustus and Julias Caesar on it, and then signed the comment at the end with “Mr President�
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Because that’s me.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:52 pmRoll over, sit up, and fetch?
Comment by Raven — August 19, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
LOL. And I was hoping it was Sit Down, Shut Up, and Keep Your Hands Where I Can See Them.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:53 pmwhich is why I used the plural
Indeed I missed it the first time. Mom was the hardest of english teachers. Can you get 3 PhD’s? Well you know… Real ones.. Why would anyone????
August 19th, 2007 at 10:54 pmAnd all he’s likely to have is eat, sleep, and scratch.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:55 pmBecause that’s me.
Comment by Makarios — August 19, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
“Me” being “Mr President” (A/k/a “Mr. P”)?
August 19th, 2007 at 10:55 pmCan you get 3 PhD’s? Well you know… Real ones.. Why would anyone????
Comment by dbadass — August 19, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Precisely. See my comment #278.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pm“Me†being “Mr President†(A/k/a “Mr. Pâ€)?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 19, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
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Yes. Not Dr. Dog.
August 19th, 2007 at 10:58 pmBe fair, Claypool. With the proliferation of “new” trolls it is kinda hard to compile a who’s who.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:00 pmDr. Dog does not use Charmin when a tongue would surfice.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:06 pmYou guys and gals are bein real mean to Herr Mutt.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pmKeep it up.
Comment by RUCerious — August 19, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Easy target. IQ equal to the temp of a pat of butter in the deep freeze. Intellect of a bowl of saurkraut and vinegar.
August 19th, 2007 at 11:23 pmEasy target. IQ equal to the temp of a pat of butter in the deep freeze. Intellect of a bowl of saurkraut and vinegar.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 19, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Hey, now. The pat of butter in my freezer says he was offended by that remark. And the bowl of sauerkraut and vinegar ain’t too happy, either. ;)
August 19th, 2007 at 11:32 pmJust to get this straight here:
Dr Dog accuses Wayne of lying about Dr Dog being a no show at a fight between the two. Wayne’s claims are independently verified by three posters (Zooey, Katy, and a lurker who is seemingly unrelated to the whole lot, who verifies the structure of Bruce’s gym.)
Then Dr Dog’s record as a doctor and as having served is challenged. Google mysteriously turns up no data on him, despite him claiming to have three doctorates.
Shane give Dr Dog a chance to fax him proof.
Shane mysteriously, gets no fax. Dr Dog claims that a male on the counter says he has his fax, yet Shane reveals that the person on desk, is in fact female.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:38 amUmm, yeah, “Dr” Dog is really come across as reliable here now isn’t he? /snark
August 20th, 2007 at 7:41 amIf starved for attention like a child in a Republican family, the bat-sh!t crazy zipperheads will just go away and find some other way of amusing themselves like masturbating, kicking the dog, running their fingers through stacks of coins, or telling racist jokes down at the local social club for old white men still living in the 1930s.
A person much wiser than I once said: “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.”
August 20th, 2007 at 9:09 amYou make a good point Dr. Dog; however, there is a difference. This is a big story because coming out against this occupation is more difficult than supporting it. Especially when you are there fighting it.
Besides, I have just talked to one of my friends that just came back for a couple weeks and went back last Thursday. He was a supporter (at least more of one that I was) for most of this occupation – I asked him if it was getting better or worse – he did not hesitate and said worse.
It was pretty bad when I was there, and one of my Marines that has been back since (I am now out) told me it is much worse. In his words “for every friend we make six enemies”.
Who are you listening to? Why are they so much more credible than these soldiers? How long can you be told “6 months” before you start questioning? When are you going to start weighing the consequences?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:18 amClinton was offered OBL from the Sudan. He turned down the offer.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
And after Bin Laden knocked the towers down, Bush let him go at Tora Bora.
And you STILL haven’t gotten him.
Everything Bush said in his photo op the day after the towers fell, as he stood on the bodies of dead Americans, was a LIE.
The people who knocked the towers down have NOT “heard from us all”.
They have NOT been brought to justice.
In fact, Bush flew their families out of the country two days after 911, without even questioning them.
Bush let Bin Laden go AFTER he dropped the towers.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:41 amExcellent.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:09 pmJust a quick correction, all those who signed that excellent OpEd were enlisted, which is to say that they were not “officers”. Some are NCOs, or non-commissioned officers, but again they are considered part of the enlisted troops, as opposed to the commissioned officers.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:39 pmClinton was offered OBL from the Sudan. He turned down the offer.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
again,doggy,if you are indeed out there listening – not true – obl left sudan of his own free will – the sudanese never made an offer to give him up – but one thing is agreed,clinton should have bombed sudan to kingdom come in the mid ’90’s – they knew that sudan was harbouring obl and that the spiritual leader,al-tubari was advising him and helping set up training camps in khartoum from where he plotted the attacks on the embassies in nairobi and tanzania as well as the uss cole……and obl is still laughing at america
August 20th, 2007 at 6:40 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:33 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming
August 21st, 2007 at 2:34 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming. O’Hanlon is proof that Bush’s surge is working because he is from the extremely leftarded
August 21st, 2007 at 2:35 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming. O’Hanlon is proof that Bush’s surge is working because he is from the extremely leftarded Brookings Institute, a center
August 21st, 2007 at 2:37 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming. O’Hanlon is proof that Bush’s surge is working because he is from the extremely leftarded Brookings Institute, a center whose
August 21st, 2007 at 2:37 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming. O’Hanlon is proof that Bush’s surge is working because he is from the extremely leftarded Brookings Institute, a center whose folks have been relentless in defaming the management of the war.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pmO’Hanlon is the dirty little secret that libtards and progressives are both frustrated by and discomforted by, since he exercised intellectual honesty (a rare feature among leftards) and actually told the truth about what was occurring with Bush’s surge in Iraq. It’s hilarious to see leftards and progressives now eat their own, going after O’Hanlon because he dared to overstep the leftarded school of thought which espoused that Iraq was lost no matter what, surge or no surge. Casualty-O’Hanlon joins the long list of leftards who are eaten by their own when they dare trespass against libtard orthodoxy, everyone from Lieberman to the scientists under Clinton who deny global warming. O’Hanlon is proof that Bush’s surge is working because he is from the extremely leftarded Brookings Institute, a center whose folks have been relentless in defaming the management of the war. O’Hanlon USED to support the war initially, but he turned against it when, he alleges, Bush mismanaged it.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm