Cooper Contradicts Rove: He’s ‘Dissembling’ With ‘Nonsense’ About The Plame Leak
Cooper Contradicts Rove: He’s ‘Dissembling’ With ‘Nonsense’ About The Plame Leak
During his tour of the Sunday shows this morning, Karl Rove attempted to downplay and dismiss his role in the CIA leak scandal, telling Fox News’ Chris Wallace that he acted benignly in his conversations with reporters about Valerie Plame’s identity:
What I did say to one reporter was, I’ve heard that, too. And what I said to another reporter, off the record, was, in essence, I don’t think you ought to be writing about this.
Appearing on Meet The Press today, Matthew Cooper, one of the reporters to whom Rove spoke about Plame, said Rove’s version of the story was hard to believe. “I think he was dissembling to put it charitably,” said Cooper. “To imply that he didn’t know about [Plame’s identity], or that he heard it in some rumor out in the hallways, is nonsense.”
Cooper also contradicted Rove’s characterization of their conversation, describing the “essence” of it as much more than just an attempt to wave him off the story:
Look, Karl Rove told me about Valerie Plame’s identity on July 11, 2003. I called him because Ambassador Wilson [Plame’s husband] was in the news that week. I didn’t know Ambassador Wilson even had a wife until I talked to Karl Rove and he said that she worked at the agency and she worked on WMD.
Watch it:
Cooper’s right. Rove is peddling “non-sense” with his brushed off description of his role in the leak scandal. On Meet The Press, Rove also declared, “if a journalist had said to me, ‘I’d like you to confirm this,’ my answer would have been ‘I can’t, I don’t know, I’ve heard that too,’”
But as Cooper notes, Rove not only confirmed to him that Plame worked at the CIA, but he willingly pushed the information to him without it even being solicited, telling him that she “works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues.”
When pressed by Wallace about his conversation with Cooper, however, Rove resorted to the administration’s standard line when asked about inconvenient facts: “I don’t recall.”
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has more on Rove’s Meet the Press appearance here and here.
UPDATE II: Marcy Wheeler, who wrote a book about the Plame scandal, debunks Rove’s Meet the Press claims here.
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Nice try, Karl.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:55 pmgee… it seems matt cooper could have been telling
August 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pmquite a huge story all this time… a long time ago…
what a guy…
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The Honorable Karl Rove is TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!!!!!!!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmPresident Bush should give Karl Rove The Presidential Medal of Freedom!!!
Liberator, that really works in a Boris Badenov voice.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pmIt is obvious that nothing Rove and his band of traitors can do that is too heinous for their loyal followers. Best to ignore them all.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmGood point katy, maybe the question for all who speak up now is why were you too afraid to tell us before. Were you being blackmailed and how was evidence against you obtained? Wiretapping?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmliar, liar, pants on fire…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
August 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWell arrest Rove already.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmKarl Rove . . . . quite a guy.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmIt’s good for him that he has money and stays amongst the rich and corrupt.
Where I come from, they’d just bend him over a stump.
“It is obvious that nothing Rove and his band of traitors can do that is too heinous for their loyal followers.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007″
Why do you refer to them as traitors?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmDon’t begin to believe that Rove has left off the spinning and manipulating of the facts. Inside the WH or out, he’ll keep on.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmKarl Rove knowingly and intentionally outed a covert CIA agent working on WMD and compromised her entire intelligence network, but yeah, he’s a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!!!!! all right. Yup.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:16 pmKarl Rove…’s a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!!!!!…
Comment by UpFromTheSkies — August 19, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
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And he deserves the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWhy do you refer to them as traitors?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Because I believe in the constitution and I don’t believe most Americans chose to live under this level of fascism.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pmKarl Rove deserves to be swimming in the thrust deflection pool during the next shuttle launch.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:19 pmand a nice frame for it, so he can hang it up in his prison cell.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm“I don’t believe most Americans chose to live under this level of fascism.
Comment by shane — August 19, 2007″
Give us an example of the fascism that you and your family are all living under?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmKarl Rove does indeed deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom as dispensed by this President…
i.e. It Means Nothing! Bush has redefined the meaning of patriotism to a corrupt act in the service of lies and partisanship. There needs to an asterisk in front of every historical citation of honor bestowed by this President explaining that it is invalid.
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August 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIt is amazing how these crooks are not handcuffed and frog marched to where they belong. Our country holds 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of those in prison come from our country. Such an industry the prison industry has become for the little guy… creating wealth for those like Babs Bush and yet those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouched.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“so he can hang it up in his prison cell.
Comment by j swift — August 19, 2007″
Only in your dreams! And you probably don’t even know why you feel that way!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouched.
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007″
Give us an example?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pm“Bush has redefined the meaning of patriotism to a corrupt act in the service of lies and partisanship.
Comment by Mark @ News Corpse — August 19, 2007″
Example, please?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmTo back up my claim : Our country holds 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of those in prison come from our country. you can find it here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/ hi/ world/ americas/ 1242368.stm
August 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmnotice is is not MSM, but BBC.
Give us an example?
Comment by michael
Give us a special prosecutor.
What’s good for blowjobs is also good for wars of choice.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOuting a covert CIA agent is TREASON.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmhey, michael!
the fascism you live under can open your mail, freeze and seize your bank accounts, enter and search your house without a warrant and without telling you. it also makes sure you can’t declare bankruptcy if and when your medical bills drag you down or your home is foreclosed on.
the facism you live under also insists that you respect it, or it will seize your property. and if you want to complain, you’d better do it in a “free speech zone”, or you’ll be detained without the legal rights YOU WERE BORN WITH.
pretty soon, the fascist you live under will draft your children against their will (not YOUR will, you obviously support the administration’s war) to die in the desert for an illegal war. and if you complain, you’re a traitor.
THAT”S the fascism you live under, dummy. do you like it?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmAh yes, Michael the Troll. So many questions Michael, so little to contribute.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmAnd he deserves the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM!!!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Two of them, since the Deserter In Chief ahs cheapened them to worthless. Only traitors and losers get the MOF from the Chimp.
“Example, please?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:29 pm”
the entire Bush “presidency” is the example,and will be in the history books for all time as the worst that America had to offer. Your denial just puts you in the same anti-American category.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmbut why, daddy, why?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmTo back up my claim : Our country holds 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of those in prison come from our country. you can find it here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/ hi/ world/ americas/ 1242368.stm
notice is is not MSM, but BBC.
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007″
This article does NOT back up your claim that “those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouched”. Nice try? You could probably get away with that statement with a liberal, but not with me.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMatt Cooper has much to answer for as well. At the least, Conspriacy to committ Treason.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThis article does NOT back up your claim that “those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouchedâ€. Nice try? You could probably get away with that statement with a liberal, but not with me.
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
the article may or may not, but the facts certainly do, which is why you resist. FACTS ARE ANATHEMA TO RIGHTARD TRAITORS LIKE YOU.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“the entire Bush “presidency†is the example
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
No it’s not. Try and be specific if you can.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“the article may or may not, but the facts certainly do
Comment by michael the ignorant moron — August 19, 2007″
What are the facts?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNo it’s not. Try and be specific if you can.
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Yes it is, starting with the stolen election of ‘00, going immediately to the complete and utter failure of Bush to defend the USA on 9/11, and continuing from there to present day. i meant what I said; the fact that you can’t comprehend it is not surprising in such a gullible fool as yourself.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pm“Ah yes, Michael the Troll. So many questions Michael, so little to contribute.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 19, 2007″
Ah yes, liberals. So many conspiracies and no facts or proof.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmComment by Mark @ News Corpse — August 19, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
If you don’t like America, and you don’t support True Patriots like Karl Rove, and you think the Presidential Medal of Freedom and being a True Patriot means nothing, then you can GET OUT!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmAh yes, liberals. So many conspiracies and no facts or proof.
Comment by michael
Coming from WMD bedwetter, that’s comedy gold!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWhat are the facts?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
This kind of ignorance should lose you your right to vote. Actually, with the Bush regime, we have all lost the right to vote. That’s one fact. the rest are available to anyone who seeks them, even a rightard traitor like you. I can understand your reluctance to seek out the truth, though, since it is fatally damaging to your fascist cause.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWe don’t deal in Conspiracies Michael, just the facts.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pm“Bush has redefined the meaning of patriotism to a corrupt act in the service of lies and partisanship.
Comment by Mark @ News Corpse — August 19, 2007″
Example, please?
Comment by michael
Michael, in front of the world to see, on CNN , with such glee, enthusiasm, excitement, the Bush crime family dropped 4000 bombs on Baghdad, a population half of which were children under the age of 16. This happened Mar. 20 and 21 ”03 called Shock and Awe… they did this over KNOWN LIES. They made entertainment out of it. I can not think of another criminal act that tops that except Hitler’s actions.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmIf you don’t like America, and you don’t support True Patriots like Karl Rove, and you think the Presidential Medal of Freedom and being a True Patriot means nothing, then you can GET OUT!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
You first. You destroyed the America we all loved, you get out.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pm“Actually, with the Bush regime, we have all lost the right to vote.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Care to back that stupid statement up?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYour corrupt take on the Armitage leak that FitzFong parlayed into a process-crime show trial through Joe Wilson’s lying NYT Op-Ed is normal for the pervs on the ultra-left. You lost, and will lose again. Rove is so much smarter and more moral than sludge-heaps like Wilson, Cooper, and Fitzpatrick that you will always be LOOOOZERS as long as right prevails and wrong ends up on the leftist trash-pile.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pm“the rest are available to anyone who seeks them
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Where? moveon.org?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm“Coming from WMD bedwetter, that’s comedy gold!
Comment by barfly — August 19, 2007″
What about WMD?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmCare to back that stupid statement up?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Bush is in the White House. the statement stands on its own. Who breathes for you? You’re too stupid to live on your own, that’s evident.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmYou mean Immoral, don’t you daveinbaca?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmFitzpatrick that you will always be LOOOOZERS as long as right prevails and wrong ends up on the leftist trash-pile.
Comment by daveinboca — August 19, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Wait until Hillary gets ahold of you and the rest of the rightwing fascist trash.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pm“You first. You destroyed the America we all loved, you get out.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
How?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pm“Bush is in the White House. the statement stands on its own. Who breathes for you? You’re too stupid to live on your own, that’s evident.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
That’s a statement not an answer. Did you attend public schools?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Wait until Hillary gets ahold of you and the rest of the rightwing fascist trash.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
What’s she going to do?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmWait until Hillary gets ahold of you and the rest of the rightwing fascist trash.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
After Bill Clinton tried to destroy America, there is no way Hillary is going to be elected!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmJust checked out boca’s blog. Another waste of bandwith. What a shame.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThat’s a statement not an answer. Did you attend public schools?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
have you ever opened a book, except for something to wipe yourself with?
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“there is no way Hillary is going to be elected!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007″
I agree!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“there is no way Hillary is going to be elected!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007″
I agree!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
That settles it. Hillary by a landslide.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmThis article does NOT back up your claim that “those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouchedâ€. Nice try? You could probably get away with that statement with a liberal, but not with me.
Comment by michael
Michael I very clearly stated 25% of the worlds population come from the US and yet we have only 5% of the population. I backed this up…For you to make more of it, make your own lies of it, is a desperate move on your part.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmEveryone should really stop feeding the troll. You give him facts and he asks, “What are the facts?” You give him examples and he says, “Example please?” You get specific and he asks, “Could you be specific?” If I asked him to stop being stupid he would ask, “How am I being stupid?” ad nauseum.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pmmichael…
you’re obviously a bush supporter. it’s sunday. why aren’t you in church… or iraq?
just wondering.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:57 pmmichael is the little prince of desperate moves. the deep fear the rightwing has of knowledge and truth puts them at a large disadvantage when facts enter the discussion. anything beyong booga-booga-booga terrists is beyong their comprehension. KKKarl knew this well, and took their minds as easily as little girls take their lunch money.
August 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pm“have you ever opened a book, except for something to wipe yourself with?
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
A perfect example of a public school education!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmMichael I very clearly stated 25% of the worlds population come from the US and yet we have only 5% of the population. I backed this up…For you to make more of it, make your own lies of it, is a desperate move on your part.
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
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Actually, nothing you stated was “clear,” and your attempt to talk bad about the United States of America is pathetic!
August 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmRove should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? Don’t you have to display an incredible level of incompetence in order to warrant that? While Karl may have misjudged the 2006 mid-term elections, and as we all know, he’s done absolutely nothing in his role as New Orleans Reconstruction Czar, but I don’t think his level of incompetence has even approached that of George Tenet or Michael “Heckuva Job, Brownie” Brown. Nah, no medal for Karl. An orange jumpsuit would be more appropriate.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pm“Michael I very clearly stated 25% of the worlds population come from the US and yet we have only 5% of the population.
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007″
That does NOT back up your statement that “those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouchedâ€. Try again?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmActually, nothing you stated was “clear,†and your attempt to talk bad about the United States of America is pathetic!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
boohoohoo. mommy! they’re looking at me!
you’re pathetic, and a traitor.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pmRove is human pus. He and his puppet Bush are traitors- they care only about keeping Republicans in power. They hate the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the rules of law, and their own oaths of office. They betray America and what it stands for at every turn/ They believe that they are above the law, and greed & power are their motivations.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pm” You give him examples
Comment by ad infinitum — August 19, 2007″
You did? Point out the post #?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pm“why aren’t you in iraq?
just wondering.
Comment by type 4 — August 19, 2007″
I’ve already given my country 5 years. You?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThat does NOT back up your statement that “those at the top creating the most horrific crimes remain untouchedâ€. Try again?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
so much for the “party of personal responsibility”. Republicans are born liars, and educated into theft and murder. The scum of the earth. Al Qaeda supporters, in fact and deed.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmronjazz typifies the mass psychosis on the left. Bush won in 2000 & 2004. Take a thorazine drip & detox your frazzled frontal lobes.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmyou’re pathetic, and a traitor.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
I’m not the one slandering our President, YOU ARE!!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI’ve already given my country 5 years. You?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
when do you turn 6?
You’re a liar. No surprise.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“when facts enter the discussion.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
What facts are you referring to? Be specific?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI’m not the one slandering our President, YOU ARE!!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
Truth isn’t slander. Too bad for you.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmmichael…
seriously, does your church have a wireless internet connection? or are you live-blogging from iraq?
i mean, a staunch conservative should either be in church on a sunday, or serving at the pleasure of the president in iraq. right?
anxiously awaiting your reply!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTake a thorazine drip & detox your frazzled frontal lobes.
Comment by daveinboca — August 19, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
why? it obviously didn’t help you.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI don’t recall ever having said anything that could implicate me in any wrongdoing by me, or this administration. And having said that, I must be on my way.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pm“there is no way Hillary is going to be elected!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007″
I agree!
Comment by michael
You are not following your marching orders properly…The MSM, big pharma, insurance co know the republicans can not win so they are putting Hilliary out there as she is the most big business friendly out of the bunch. Or maybe they have the goods on her to slam her down if she wins the primary.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmMost here do not like Hilliary, most calling into talk shows do not like Hilliary… but the polls according to MSM always claim Hillary is ahead.
Hilliary is Bush lite… Her husband did do it: signed NAFTA helped WTO and deregulated the media.
Liberator,
Are you such an idiot that you forget the importance of dissent and disagreement as fundamental aspects of this country you so love? Do you not undertstand the 1st Amendment protects such thought and action? This is precisely why Rove and Cheney and others are facists: they disregard the principles of democracy in favor of what THEY believe is best for THEIR interests. You sir, are a facists too! Your inane conservative line calling for dissenters to “get out” is so tired and transparently meaningless that it is now a running joke. Rove is the anti-Christ…really, he is.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pm“you’re pathetic, and a traitor.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Public school mentality coming out again.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmWhat facts are you referring to? Be specific?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Why?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“He and his puppet Bush are traitors
Comment by azureblue — August 19, 2007″
Care to provide some examples of your idiotic statement?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmReagan went to public school. Bush was tossed out of public school.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pm“On this day in 1953, Royalist Forces acting on behalf of Reza Shah Pahlavi, with the aid of the Central Intelligence Agency, overthrew Iranian Premier Mohammad Mosaddeq.”
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThus setting in motion a chain of events that have led us to were we are today. No wonder the Arabs and Muslims depise us.
Think regress is kind enough to provide the link that debunks their own argument.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ id/ 8525978/ site/ newsweek/ page/ 2/
“Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame’s name or knew she was a covert operative.”
August 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmComment by Chris — August 19, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Karl Rove, Vice President Cheney, and President Bush are TRUE AMERICANS! You are nothing but a liberal sissy who thinks that it is fun to insult The UNITED STATES and it’s brave leaders!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmMichael, are you a troll? I would recommend other sites other than this one, for your diatribe against people who don’t follow lockstep with your love of this county’s administration.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmCare to provide some examples of your idiotic statement?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
The Bush presiduncy. You’re really thick.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pm“Republicans are born liars
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Public schools again!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by steed — August 19, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Steed. that’s funny.
quotes newsweek, wrong since 1975.
Especially weak today, rightards, losing ground on an hourly basis. Better find a country to live in that wants you, and soon.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“You’re a liar. No surprise.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
I am? I didn’t give the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life back in the 60’s & 70’s? Was it all one big dream? What have you done for your country other than betray it?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“Republicans are born liars
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Public schools again!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
well, too be fair, Republicans are liars long before they get thrown out of public schools for their anti-social behavior and wholesale lying.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pm“Truth isn’t slander. Too bad for you.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
What truth are you referring to? Facts? Be specific?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI didn’t give the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life back in the 60’s & 70’s?
You’re right, you didn’t. Got proof? Where’s the link?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmEveryone should really stop feeding the troll. You give him facts and he asks, “What are the facts?†You give him examples and he says, “Example please?†You get specific and he asks, “Could you be specific?†If I asked him to stop being stupid he would ask, “How am I being stupid?†ad nauseum.
Comment by ad infinitum
It is all so tempting and easy as they are so ignorant…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“i mean, a staunch conservative should either be in church on a sunday, or serving at the pleasure of the president in iraq. right?
anxiously awaiting your reply!
Comment by type 4 — August 19, 2007″
Read post # 71 and tell us all what you have done for your country?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI am? I didn’t give the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life back in the 60’s & 70’s? Was it all one big dream? What have you done for your country other than betray it?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Yes, No, Yes, voted against Republicans all my life.
There ya go, answers. Suck on it.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmObviously Rove is zooming around the Plame leak. He’s a media guy. He knows there is no such thing as “off the record”.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI think he’s told himself his own version so many times for so long, he doesn’t know it isn’t the truth anymore. You’d have to give him a regimen of electric shock and truth serum to get the real facts, which we have anyway. I sure like the electric shock idea, though. About 40kv is a good, round number dontcha think?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmMichael: Free speech is not betrayal. Questioning Authority is good and necessary for this country to survive. I’m sorry there is so much anger in you. Good luck.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGood liberals come to the troll zoo on Sunday afternoons to feed them facts and kick the crap out of them. It’s good for America.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmMichael may be a troll. But I don’t question or doubt his Service to our Country.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmRead post # 71 and tell us all what you have done for your country?
You first. Where’s the proof?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmMichael may be a troll. But I don’t question or doubt his Service to our Country.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
why? he follows George Bush, a deserter and coward. there’s no reason to believe he would serve and then kiss up to bush.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmMichael may be a troll. But I don’t question or doubt his Service to our Country.
Doubt isn’t what’s important. He asks for proof of obvious facts & things that have been debated & proven before. Therefore he should meet the same standard. But he doesn’t.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm40kv would be a bit excessive, and a waste of Tax payer’s money
August 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“you forget the importance of dissent and disagreement as fundamental aspects of this country you so love?
Comment by Chris — August 19, 2007″
In time of war quiet dissent is acceptable while our solders are at risk. But the kind of dissent you traitorous liberals carry out for the world to see is shameful!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI have been asked to treat you for chronic meth addiction, Ronjazz. How long have you been abusing meth?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pm40kv would be a bit excessive, and a waste of Tax payer’s money
Comment by Karl Rove — August 19, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
never stopped you before, KKkarl.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThere ya go, answers. Suck on it.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
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How dare you insult a man that served our country!?!
You make me sick, liberal!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI am? I didn’t give the U.S. Navy 5 years of my life back in the 60’s & 70’s? Was it all one big dream?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Yes. It was, and is, one big dream.
Your dream. Not ours.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmMichael wants to define what kind of dissent is acceptable.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmmichael sez:
And yet another troll graphically illustrates that he has zero understanding of Article III, Section 3.
Quelle surprise.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmah, dog the coward shows up, after welching on his bet yeasterday. coward.
In time of war quiet dissent is acceptable while our solders are at risk. But the kind of dissent you traitorous liberals carry out for the world to see is shameful!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
no declaration of war, michael, proving you have no service record or kn owledge of American law. shameful indeed.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm“I would recommend other sites other than this one, for your diatribe against people who don’t follow lockstep with your love of this county’s administration.
Comment by Karl Rove — August 19, 2007″
Are you kidding me? I couldn’t have this much fun on a Conservative blog. It’s so easy making you dopes look stupid simply by asking you to back up your rhetoric WHICH YOU NEVER DO!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmHow dare you insult a man that served our country!?!
You make me sick, liberal!
Comment by Liberator — August 19, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
didn’t seem to bother you with Kerry or Cleland, hypocrite. traitor. coward. loser. dolt.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSee Michael, your speech patterns give you away. Being around 50 myself, I can spot a snot nosed punk from a mile away, just by the way he speaks.
For you to have given the US Navy 5 years of your life during the 1960’s, that would mean you were 18 during the 60’s, meaning that now, you’d be almost 70.
You are not almost 70.
I’m not even sure if you’re almost 17.
But one things for sure.
The only service you’ve ever given to the Navy, or any other branch of the US Military, is lip service.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“he’s told himself his own version so many times for so long, he doesn’t know it isn’t the truth anymore.
Comment by mr.ed — August 19, 2007″
So tell me what is the truth? And BACK IT UP!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIn time of war quiet dissent is acceptable while our solders are at risk. But the kind of dissent you traitorous liberals carry out for the world to see is shameful!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Wow. Michael? wrote a declarative sentence.
A stupid declarative sentence, but in its way it’s an improvement on the questions.
Any of you who have had a two-year-old knows this routine. “Why?” blah blah blah “But whyyyyy?” Because blah blah blah “Why?”
Two-year-olds think it’s cute, but anyone much above that age has managed to grow out of it. Anyone but Michael?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmNeither do you michael. That should give you much cause for laughter.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmLiberator,
How are Cheney, Rove, and Bush brave? Cheney deferred military service five times; Rove, that fat-ass never served; and Bush, his miliatry record is a joke! Funny, you folks call liberals weak and cowardly, but please go through the present adminstration’s members and give me their brave, strong exploits…could you do that for me? As a military officer in Iraq said last week, if they want to fight Iran so bad, let them put on a F****** uniform and fight! Guys like Addington and Rove, the ochestrators of the Iraq war, never fought or served, but they talk tough. I suppose Wesley Clark is a wuss too.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmAre you kidding me? I couldn’t have this much fun on a Conservative blog. It’s so easy making you dopes look stupid simply by asking you to back up your rhetoric WHICH YOU NEVER DO!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
wrong, liar. you just can’t take the truth. many, many links backing up the left-leaning facts, you run away every time. your psychosis is controlling you
August 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pm“he follows George Bush, a deserter and coward
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Why do you fools leave yourselves wide open? Prove that statement?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmLiberator is a funny nym for a coward who refuses to serve in wartime. he liberates change from mommy’s wallet to pay michael for sexual services.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWhy do you fools leave yourselves wide open? Prove that statement?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
easily done, as soon as you prove your “service” to anyone but liberator.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmThe closest Michaels come to to anything nautical is he once swallowed some seaman.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“no declaration of war, michael, proving you have no service record or kn owledge of American law. shameful indeed.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Wasn’t needed stupid! This was a continuation of the 1991 invasion as a result of Iraq ignoring the 13 U.N. Resolutions.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThe closest Michaels come to to anything nautical is he once swallowed some seaman.
Comment by LIL SERF — August 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
look out, he’ll accuse you of having a good American education.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pm“easily done, as soon as you prove your “service†to anyone but liberator.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Prove? To you? Don’t hold your breath!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWasn’t needed stupid! This was a continuation of the 1991 invasion as a result of Iraq ignoring the 13 U.N. Resolutions.
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
also undeclared. You’re boring me with your studied ignorance.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWhy do you fools leave yourselves wide open? Prove that statement?
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
easily done, as soon as you prove your “service†to anyone but liberator.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Because, as we all know, if you can’t prove it it’s a lie! Just ask the expert on lying, Dr Puppy.
You forgot the ?, though ronjazz.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pmIs Rove really a genius or are we, as a people, incredibly stupid?
Consider the facts: Rove looked at this country and made a bet with himself that he could pick a Chimpanzee and make him President. Not only that, the Chimpanzee could screwup his first term and he, Rove, could still get the Chimp re-elected to a Second Term. And that he, an atheist, could use the religious-freaks to do it.
And he did. Oh, how he did.
Maybe Rove is no genius but, against the canvas of an uninformed, media-manipulated, advertisement-jingle conditioned American people, he might as well be one.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Chris — August 19, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
The George W. Bush Administration took out Saddam Hussein and countless other IslamoMurderers in Afganistan and Iraq! The President, Vice President, and the men who they rely on for advice, like Karl Rove, are TRUE AMERICANS, and they have to put up with your SLANDER and ignorant LIES! But despite people like YOU, who want to see America fail, we will win and the Islamofascists in the Mid East and their Liberal partners over here know it! That is why you have no argument and you resort to calling people fascists!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“he liberates change from mommy’s wallet to pay michael for sexual services.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
You continue to verify your public school education with brilliant statements like the above.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmProve? To you? Don’t hold your breath!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Holding your breath is your schtick.
When you’re playing submarine commander.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmYou forgot the ?, though ronjazz.
Comment by gummitch — August 19, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Sorry. Good grammar is one of the weaknesses of a public education.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmProve? To you? Don’t hold your breath!
Comment by michael
How about proving it to me? Big words, small actions - just like ‘dear leader’, all hat and no cattle. You are in fine company there boy! (losers).
August 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pmIs Rove really a genius or are we, as a people, incredibly stupid?
Comment by Abby — August 19, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
The only people who think Rove is a genius is Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and a handful of other journalists who cowtow to the right wing like serfs to the king.
Everyone else knows him for the Turdweasal he is.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“Is Rove really a genius or are we, as a people, incredibly stupid?
Comment by Abby — August 19, 2007″
Yes Rove is a genius and yes people like you are incredibly stupid!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmMichael’s denigration of public school education smells of envy and bitterness. the vast majority of Aemrican presidents proudly hail the pulic schools. Only the weak-minded traitors like Reagan and Bush would support such unreasonable slander. One’s dead, the other one is brain-dead.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmYou’re boring me with your studied ignorance.
Comment by ronjazz
Oh the irony…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmLiberator wouldn’t recognize a true American if it f*(ked him up the a$$. And lord knows he’s been searching for years.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmLiberator wouldn’t recognize a true American if it f*(ked him up the a$$.
Comment by Dave C
I’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience with that.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmYou continue to verify your public school education with brilliant statements like the above.
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
I’ll take my public school education over your double-wide home schooled one, any day skippy.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmPlease notice how Michael and Liberator cannot answer for the lack of service of the present administration…nor can they explain away the dissent AND service of someone like Wesley Clark, who laughed off the Iraq War as one of the most ill-conceived wars in history. Oh, and Cheney also said such a war would be stupid…check the interview on Youtube. And I’d really like to know what counts as legitimate dissent in a time of war?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmYes Rove is a genius and yes people like you are incredibly stupid!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
That’s why he has run away, because he’s such a genius. Like Bush skedaddling on 9/11 proves his courage. for michael the phony, every day is Opposite Day.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDr. Dog, don’t you have a fax to send? It didn’t arrive, liar.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pm“How about proving it to me?
Comment by Tom — August 19, 2007″
Why? Are that ashamed that you have done nothing for your country?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmYes Rove is a genius and yes people like you are incredibly stupid!
Comment by mich
That’s why republicans have succeeded in holding their congressional majority in ‘06.
Oh… Wait…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmmichael once again sidesteps manhood. No further proof required.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmDoes everybody else smell dogshit? Or is it the crappy undies of a coward who didnt show up for a fight in Austin? Same stench, in any case.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmWhat a surpise….Karl is a thug from the crime family…who would’ve thought?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience with that.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 19, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Well don’t blame him.
Thats how your mom said she liked it.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmWell, the trolls are all bloody and beaten, so time to go. michael bored me into nap time, and the site stinks of dogshit. later, liberal patriots. We;ve got them on the run, with KKKarl leading the pack.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmLiberator,
Please, answer my question: Have Rove, Addington, Cheney, Bush, Rice, or any other senior administration official either (a) served in the active duty Armed Forces or (b) actually fought in a conflict? Are you calling ordering soldiers to do your dirty work bravery? Not only do I have a right, but by extension I have a duty, to call their decisions into question. And that is why they are facists: by definition, they want single-party, single-minded control of our governmental decisions.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pm“I’d really like to know what counts as legitimate dissent in a time of war?
Comment by Chris — August 19, 2007″
What doesn’t count are actions like:
-comparing our military to Nazis (Durbin)
August 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pm-accusing our military of terrorizing women and children (kerry)
-publishing posed photos from Abu Grhaib
-exposing secret military prisons
-criticizing our government when protecting us from terrorists they listen in on SOME overseas calls
-forging military records of a sitting President
“Well, the trolls are all bloody and beaten, so time to go.
Comment by ronjazz — August 19, 2007″
Liberal way of licking their wounds!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmHow about doing all those things?
Doesn’t that count somewhere in your book of sins Michael?
Or is it just the people willing to speak up about them that you can’t stand?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmhttp://www.boingboing.net/ 2007/ 08/ 18/ essay_im_the_proud_o.html
August 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmLiberal way of licking their wounds!
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
He got tired of you licking them.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmMichael, care to provide examples of right wing criticism of dissent that shouldn’t count or are they all infallable in your estimation?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmIt is the same ever time: I pose questions that folks like Michael and Liberator simply do not answer, because it would require them admitting their logic is faulty. And they talk about the rhetoric of the left. Have you morons forgotten that it was Frank Luntz who pionered the use of narrow casting and word analysis for the Republicans? Ask him about rhetoric sometime.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pm“Are you calling ordering soldiers to do your dirty work bravery? Not only do I have a right, but by extension I have a duty, to call their decisions into question.
Comment by Chris — August 19, 2007″
They volunteered for the military knowing that they might have to do battle. That is what they are there for. Yes you have a right to call their decisions into question. When you vote!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmMICHAEL,
REPUBLICANS ARE TRAITORS BECAUSE THEY PUT THEIR PARTY BEFORE THEIR COUNTRY.
It’s really very simple.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmAnswer my question Michael.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmMichael doesn’t agree with Americans showing the crimes of their govt. If Americans didn’t join in then the rest of the world would have to do it all by themselves. And they would…. and are. Your govt’s sins don’t go away just because Faux ignores them.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmIt’s really very simple.
Comment by baba durag — August 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Wow. You are the poster boy for BDS, aren’t you?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThey volunteered for the military knowing that they might have to do battle.
Comment by michael — August 19, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Dick Cheney got 6 deferrments.
Thats what passes for “volunteering” with you?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“Michael, care to provide examples of right wing criticism of dissent that shouldn’t count?
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 19, 2007″
Read post # 153?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmLiberal way of licking their wounds!
Comment by michael
And your mere presence here is a Neocons form of self-flagellation (i.e. wasting time, lives, and basically, just a bunch of handling-up on yourself!)
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmMichale was in the Navy for 5 years during the ’60’s and 70’s? He is bragging about this?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThe draft was in effect during that time along with another illegal war - Vietnam. Those that joined the Navy during that time did so to avoid being drafted and sent to combat duty.
Fine. Then lets encourage ALL young American men and women, to “Volunteer for service”.
Just like Dick Cheney did.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhy? Are that ashamed that you have done nothing for your country?
Comment by michael
No, I sense a big mouthed nobody spewing claims he cannot support. I sense a loner, loser who only has a blog to communicate with. I sense a very small person - an even smaller patriot who wishes a king would make all his worry and terror go away. I sense you are the embodiment of what the bush assministration has done to MY country. I sense you will always be a small minded follower. No, I have nothing to be ashmaed of - it it you who has the blood of thousands of brave americans on his hands. maybe it makes you feel powerful - without having to fight - just like your boss “W”, huh? Get your ass to iraq if you want to fight. Clear? Clear! STFU
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pm*
bored, you say?
sam’s on in 10…
seriously, check it out.
funny and informative…
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pm.
When Bush said any leaker in his administration would be “taken care of”, he wasn’t talking about punishment. Don’t be so naive, guys! He meant he would take care of them, by commuting their sentence, keeping them from going to jail, etc.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pm“Thats what passes for “volunteering†with you?
Comment by LIL SERF — August 19, 2007″
What does their volunteering have to do with Cheney?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pmRead that post Michael, now answer my question Coward.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm“Are you kidding me? I couldn’t have this much fun on a Conservative blog. It’s so easy making you dopes look stupid simply by asking you to back up your rhetoric WHICH YOU NEVER DO!”
Shorter Michael: I’m too stupid to realise when everyone has already worked out my game, and they are simply putting even less effort than I am into what has become desperate attempt to have some fun before I have to go to bed ready for my soul crushing dead end existance on a Monday morning.
Coming up next; Why being in the Navy wasn’t as fulfilling as being an internet troll… and why all the nice girls prefer obsessive internet postings to being a sailor!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmMichale was in the Navy for 5 years during the ’60’s and 70’s?
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
No. He wasn’t.
Michael wasn’t even born yet in the 60’s and 70’s.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pm“The draft was in effect during that time along with another illegal war - Vietnam. Those that joined the Navy during that time did so to avoid being drafted and sent to combat duty.
Comment by had enough — August 19, 2007″
Or I could have run off to Canada like I guess some of your relatives did?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmMichael, you still haven’t responded to my primary questions. But since you picked the low hangin fruit, let me respond back. Publishing pictures of prisoner abuse is exposing gross human rights violations; secret renditioning of suspected terrorists is a violation of other nations sovereignty, something we wouldn’t want do to us; and exposing a program that secretly listens in on American citizens is encouraged by the Constitution and our history.
As for Durbin’s comments, they were hyperbolic and unnecessary, and no, I don’t agree with them. However, Kerry’s comments were — surprisingly — true! Have you not followed the miliatry trials of the soldiers who raped, murdered, dissembled, and the such in several cases?
August 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmOr I could have run off to Canada like I guess some of your relatives did?
Michael agreeing that he joined the navy to avoid the draft & combat duty. Mind you, he still won’t provide proof of even this statement.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhat does their volunteering have to do with Cheney?
Comment by michelle — August 19, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Who volunteering? Bush didn’t volunteer. He got daddy to pull strings so he could stay stateside.
Hell Bush was such a wussy he didn’t even volunteer for the football team.
Instead he chose to sit on the sidelines with the girls, as a cheerleader, cheering the boys on.
Just like he does now.
Just like you do now.
August 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIm Grendel,,,no wait Im Moby Dick….urrr Beowulf…thats who I am. Yeh a Hairy Bald Albino Wolf Whale descedent of Cain that Blows and swallows men whole!!!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm“No, I sense a big mouthed nobody spewing claims he cannot support.
Comment by Tom — August 19, 2007″
I’m not here to prove I gave this country 5 years of my life, I’m here to make you dopes look stupid and I do it with glee!
August 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm