MN state officials knew of bridge failure.
By on Aug 20th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
MN state officials knew of bridge failure.
“Internal MnDOT documents reviewed by the Star Tribune reveal that last year bridge officials talked openly about the possibility of the bridge collapsing — and worried that it might have to be condemned.” Plans to reinforce the bridge were well underway when the project came to a screeching halt in January amid concerns about safety and cost. (HT: Kos)
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Oh my f*cking god. They should have shut that bridge down! What the hell were they thinking, allowing people to continue to drive across the damn thing?
August 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmTim Pawlenty’s political career is over. Even though he wasn’t responsible per se for the disaster, his administration has been downright obstructionist when it comes to transportation spending, a consequence of which has been a palpable decline in road maintenance and snow removal. He eliminated the job of transportation commissioner and turned the role into a part time job for Carol Molnau, who is a certifiable Republican political hack. Molnau should have resigned by now, but she has the proverbial tin ear.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pmCriminal negligence?
August 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmGaza: The Auschwitz of our Time : Largest detention camp in the World http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6509&source=reddit
August 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmCriminal negligence?
Comment by Raven — August 20, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
I’ve been following the story closely and I very much doubt it will come to that. On the other hand the state will be on the hook for large civil settlements with the victims.
The important thing at this point is to punish the no-new-tax politicians who have been bought and paid for by the hateful corporate Darwinists who believe that if no bridges fall down, then we must be repairing them too often.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI guess I was just hoping that accountability for actions, or inactions, whatever the case may be, could be instituted for elected, and appointed, officials.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmMaybe then these same would act appropriately, and such disasters would be averted.
I say Zooey should run for office. If we had more people like her who used common sense and competence in their jobs, this and other tragedies could be avoided!
Why on EARTH didn’t they close the bridge???
August 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI’m going to disabuse any libtards and progressives who are plotting to shift the blame of the bridge collapse in MN to Republican Pawlenty’s administration. This is just mental illness–proving Michael Savage is correct–if libtards actually incriminate Pawlenty. Here’s what’s actually the real story: despite the rating of the MN bridge as something like structurally deficient, this didn’t mean it was in imminent danger of collapse. With such a rating, said bridge only deserved more inspections and a focus on improvements–which it was already receiving. Nah, the REAL blame for the collapse belongs on Demoncrats and their insistence on pork inserted into transportation bills. As McCain noted, when pork is inserted into bills, it takes money away from stuff like bridges. As an aside, I bet the libs and progs–those who are not totally mentally ill–are angry they can’t blame Bush for the collapse since state gov’ts are actually accountable for maintaining bridges once the federal money’s given out.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse — August 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
F*ck off, you ignorant creep.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pmWhy on EARTH didn’t they close the bridge???
Comment by Justice — August 20, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Heh. Thanks, Justice.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pmComment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse — August 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Ignorant creep is a perfect description of this mentally deficient freak.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:03 pmThe important thing at this point is to punish the no-new-tax politicians
Bullshiite of the highest order. If Minnesotans werent condemned to have how many billions wasted on the Minnehaha Choo Choo System, we wouldnt need to even consider taxes. That toy train has killed more people than it carries daily.
Why is the answer ALWAYS more taxes? How about diverting those wasted billions to the roads and bridges?
August 20th, 2007 at 7:04 pmWell once again the “family values” party, the party that Bugboy Tom DeLay referred to as “we are the party of ‘god’” came through again. Rather than govern after being elected they just went about finding ways to lessen and loosen controls and now the bridge comes down.
Funny how everything turns to mierda when Repignicans are in “charge.” Three planes slamming into three buildings about 6 years ago come to mind when I think of stupendous examples of being asleep at the wheel. Correct me if I’m wrong, but a Repignican was in the White House when that disaster happened also. And wasn’t a Repignican also in the White House when a hurricane came calling on New Orleans two years ago?
Seems like disaster follows them wherever they go. At least they are good at winning elections and bashing those who want safety regulations.
Heckuva job, Repignicans.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pmMN Gov (R) Tim Palenty took a no new tax pledge. His plan for funding road repair in 2006 was to have the contractor pay for everything up front, and then go to the next legislature to get paid. Doesn’t anyone remember this? There were Zero bids for the jobs! Guess what, they didn’tget done, did they.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:10 pmThat toy train has killed more people than it carries daily.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Thanks for discrediting yourself with a bizarre and ludicrous statement.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:13 pmComment by Tom — August 20, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
That’s pure insanity! No contractor is going to do that — obviously.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:13 pmMN Gov (R) Tim Palenty took a no new tax pledge. His plan for funding road repair in 2006 was to have the contractor pay for everything up front, and then go to the next legislature to get paid. Doesn’t anyone remember this? There were Zero bids for the jobs! Guess what, they didn’tget done, did they.
Comment by Tom — August 20, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Thanks for reminding us of that story, Tom. Pawlenty came out looking like an idiot when zero bids were submitted, setting back the most important congestion-reducing project in the state.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmNow all we need to do is build a time machine, go back to 1964 and tell the bridge builders that they built a bridge that wouldnt support the increased traffic to come forty years later.
Or I suppose we could just conveniently blame the nearest republican politician, that WOULD be easier.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:16 pmNow all we need to do is build a time machine, go back to 1964 and tell the bridge builders that they built a bridge that wouldnt support the increased traffic to come forty years later.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Keep trying to whitewash it, koolaid drinker. It isn’t working. Nearly every day more damning information comes out about the bridge.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pm#19
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
And eventually it will all be Bush’s fault.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmComment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse — August 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Thus sayeth the posterchild for poor reading comprehension.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmEven if they failed to try to fix the bridge, they could have at least set up laser sensors to detect a failure before it became catastropic. The technology is about 30 years old and can be purchased at Radio Shack and really fancy new versions at Home Depot or Lowes.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmComment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Of course, the idea of repairing a structure, giving it maintenance according to a schedule, and/or retrofitting it to meet new construction standards is completely alien to you, as is the concept of accountability if any or all of the above are not done by the people responsible for performing the tasks.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmAnd eventually it will all be Bush’s fault.
Comment by Tracy — August 20, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Tracy is always good for a straw man argument. No critical thinking skills.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:31 pmThetruth:
Would you stop spamming every thread with your anti Israel posts. I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but by spamming every thread, you have become no better than our resident trolls. If you want people to hear you, spamming is not the way to do it.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:32 pmOh, and Tracy, is there anything that IS Bush’s fault in your reality?
August 20th, 2007 at 7:32 pm#8 Comment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse
Hey re-tard, did you read the article. Did you read the part where “officials talked openly about the possibility of the bridge collapsing”. I guess not.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:34 pmDo you think that Tim Pawlenty’s hair brain idea for funding road repair ended up sucking up funding from other projects when it failed to attract any takers? People might what to look at the timelines and amounts that got shuffled around.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pmOr I suppose we could just conveniently blame the nearest republican politician, that WOULD be easier.
Comment by Vigo
I vote we blame the “bridge officials talked openly about the possibility of the bridge collapsing — and worried that it might have to be condemned.”
But, oh no, we can’t blame them because they did this under the leadership of a Republican. So, how about….the aliens did it.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pm[...] the aliens did it.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 20, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
How about: “It was an act of god”?
I bet our conservative visitors would eat up that excuse and let the responsible parties off the hook.
Is it really that hard to accept that a man-made structure needs maintenance every so often? sshheesshh….
August 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pmOr I suppose we could just conveniently blame the nearest republican politician, that WOULD be easier.
Comment by Vigo
It’s a good start…
“Literally wielding a big red VETO stamp to appease the no-tax crowd that remains hell-bent on a something-for-nothing relationship with government, Gov. Tim Pawlenty deep-sixed the bipartisan transportation bill. ‘How dumb can they be?’ he sneered of the lawmakers who dared approve a tax hike to fix the state’s roads.
http://www.planetizen.com/node/18910
August 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pmWe can’t fix the bridge! We need that money for a BASEBALL stadium!
August 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pmWhy is the answer ALWAYS more taxes? How about diverting those wasted billions to the roads and bridges?
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Or maybe diverting a few billion from an illegal invasion and occupation in Iraq. We could have rebuilt most of ALL the deficient bridges in this country and had money left over.
But that would not be kewl because then Dubya wouldn’t have his little “war President” moniker and get to wear his inflatable codpiece on a carrier deck.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:55 pmI vote we blame the “bridge officials talked openly about the possibility of the bridge collapsing — and worried that it might have to be condemned.â€
Youll notice you said “bridge officials” who I would suspect refer to MnDot officials who have probably been in their particular jobs for awhile and might even be…GASP!…democrats!
I cant imagine that “bridge officials” (people who know of what they speak) are appointed with every new governing administration.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse — August 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
F*ck off, you ignorant creep.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Bee Gezusss Ms. Z,
Anyone who would actually quote Michael Weiner is certifiably NUTZ!! That guy is about one whale sh!t level below even Herr Beck.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmOr maybe diverting a few billion from an illegal invasion and occupation in Iraq. We could have rebuilt most of ALL the deficient bridges in this country and had money left over.
Not likely since so much of that money was specifically allocated, though we could also have diverted money from the exhorbitant costs that illegals inflict on our country every day.
But that would not be kewl(sic) because then the libs couldnt show how sensitive they are to the people who mow their Hollywood lawns and clean their Manhattan condos.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:02 pmF*ck off, you ignorant creep.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Ahhh, nice to see Madam Zooey is up to her usual polite tricks.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:03 pmThis is not surprising considering MN has a republican governor. He could have prevented this disaster by fixing the bridge.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:04 pmBut that would not be kewl(sic) because then the libs couldnt show how sensitive they are to the people who mow their Hollywood lawns and clean their Manhattan condos.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
And harvest the produce I get for ridiculously low prices.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:04 pmBut that would not be kewl(sic) because then the libs couldnt show how sensitive they are to the people who mow their Hollywood lawns and clean their Manhattan condos.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Don’t forget all the troops dying for the Repug Big Money Boyz that bought and paid for Dubya and have had him as their very own sockpuppet for the past 6 1/2 years.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:05 pmYoull notice you said “bridge officials†who I would suspect refer to MnDot officials who have probably been in their particular jobs for awhile and might even be…GASP!…democrats!
I cant imagine that “bridge officials†(people who know of what they speak) are appointed with every new governing administration.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Or they might be *gasp* either Democrats or Republicans. Or both. Or neither. It was the wingnuts here who injected partisan blame into the conversation.
What is really sick is the troll, who generally posts one incoherent babbling hate-filled comment on a thread and then runs away, who is trying to make this about Democratic pork and, hey, anyway no one knew the bridge would collapse (in spite of the obvious evidence to the contrary in the actual thread link) — so much like the “no one knew Iraq would be a quagmire” nonsense.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI cant imagine that “bridge officials†(people who know of what they speak) are appointed with every new governing administration.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
How about “bridge officials under intense pressure to cut costs and corners to meet the political budgetary needs imposed by the Pawlenty administration.”
Give it up, loser, you’ve got nothin’.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pmBut that would not be kewl(sic) because then the libs couldnt show how sensitive they are to the people who mow their Hollywood lawns and clean their Manhattan condos.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Straw man; diversion.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pmAhhh, nice to see Madam Zooey is up to her usual polite tricks.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Why should anyone be polite to the likes of you, idiot? Typical thin-skinned troll, comes to the blog and insults everyone in sight, and then gets all whiny when someone is rude. Boo hoo.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pmBut that would not be kewl(sic) because then the libs couldnt show how sensitive they are to the people who mow their Hollywood lawns and clean their Manhattan condos.
Comment by Vigo
This just goes to show the hypocrisy and waffling of the trolls. Rush says liberals are on welfare, so they would not be able to afford maids and people to mow and clean? Right?
So which is it?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:08 pmI cant imagine that “bridge officials†(people who know of what they speak) are appointed with every new governing administration.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Please prove your assertions as to the party of said “bridge officials.”
Not that it matters — they let the damn bridge fall down, moron.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:09 pmComment by gummitch — August 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Nobody in the BushCo Cabal knows anything. Either they are the dumbest bunch of a$$Klowns to ever infest the WH or they are the most crooked and immoral.
I am betting on some of each. Kinda like the trolls here.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:09 pmWe can’t fix the bridge! We need that money for a BASEBALL stadium!
Yah, isnt that something? And to think the MPLS city council decided to raise taxes to help Skinflint Pohlad rake in even more dough.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmRush says liberals are on welfare, so they would not be able to afford maids and people to mow and clean? Right?
Comment by Conpervatard are Socialists — August 20, 2007 @ 8:08
I believe we collect so much welfare that we can actually afford the Hollywood mansions and the staff to go with them.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmAhhh, nice to see Madam Zooey is up to her usual polite tricks.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Boo f*cking hoo, whiner.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmListen up, trolls: everyone who lives in Minnesota knows that our governor has been locked in a battle with Democrats over adequate funding for transportation, and that road maintenance has in particular suffered the worst, because it is easier to defer maintenance under the radar than kill a popular new construction project. This didn’t just start yesterday, either, it started six years ago when Pawlenty became governor on behalf of the Taxpayers League of Minnesota, a shadowy group of corporate plutocrats.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmComment by gummitch — August 20, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Ohhhhh, great minds. :D
August 20th, 2007 at 8:12 pmOr they might be *gasp* either Democrats or Republicans. Or both. Or neither. It was the wingnuts here who injected partisan blame into the conversation.
You must be referring to post #2, when some wingnut decided to inject partisan blame into the conversation.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmYah, isnt that something? And to think the MPLS city council decided to raise taxes to help Skinflint Pohlad rake in even more dough.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Thanks again for proving you don’t know jack, idiot. The city council didn’t raise taxes. The Hennepin County Board of Commissioners did.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmNow all we need to do is build a time machine, go back to 1964 and tell the bridge builders that they built a bridge that wouldnt support the increased traffic to come forty years later.
Or I suppose we could just conveniently blame the nearest republican politician, that WOULD be easier.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Or we could do what any business does (since the “conservatives” always set business up as the ideal) and ensure that we’ve allocated funds for maintenance of our infrastructure. I know that “conservatives” want to pretend this is somehow a partisan issue, but it is neither limited to one party nor to one state. It is endemic throughout the entire country, at the city, state and federal level.
The “conservatives” always want transportation money spent on building new roads, never on maintenance of existing bridges, tunnels and highways. The “liberals”, unfortunately, prefer to spend transportation money on public transit options that are shiny and new, but not necessarily the most efficient or cost-effective.
But the reality is that we cannot accomplish adequate maintenance with the existing revenue dedicated to transportation, even if we stopped building light rail systems today. It is especially not possible if we continue to spend billions of dollars invading other countries and wearing down our active duty military and the Guard so that billions more are needed to get them back up to strength.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmOr I suppose we could just conveniently blame the nearest republican politician, that WOULD be easier.
Comment by Vigo
Isn’t that what the “Architect” did for the last decade? Heh
August 20th, 2007 at 8:16 pmOr they might be *gasp* either Democrats or Republicans. Or both. Or neither. It was the wingnuts here who injected partisan blame into the conversation.
You must be referring to post #2, when some wingnut decided to inject partisan blame into the conversation.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:13 pm
That comment was directed at specific Republicans, it wasn’t one of your whiny comments lumping all liberals and Democrats together. Try to keep up.
It was also directed at specific shortsighted Republican/conservative policies and agenda.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:17 pmPlease prove your assertions as to the party of said “bridge officials.â€
Not that it matters — they let the damn bridge fall down, moron.
Exactly my point if you managed to read the rest of my post; bridge officials who are the ones who should know best arent appointed with every new administration. Therefore, blaming Gov. Pawlenty for the potential failures of the “bridge officials” would seem foolish.
BTW, do you have to be such a harpy in every single response? Geez, try putting a smile on for once.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pmI see that the lame TP server has once again lost one of my comments, in this case a particularly long one.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pmTherefore, blaming Gov. Pawlenty for the potential failures of the “bridge officials†would seem foolish.
He’s the captain of the ship, dingleberry.
He came up with the no funding idea, dipshit.
BTW, do you have to be such a harpy in every single response? Geez, try putting a smile on for once.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Piss off, you sexist pig.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:22 pmToo bad Vigo is such a troll – I had the image of Viggo Mortensen in my head. Oh well.
How anyone can argue the point that people already knew the da*n bridge was set to go is beyond me. They see the article in black and white, yet still refuse to see or accept it.
Talk about denial.
Being on Cape Cod, the only access to the rest of MA is 2 bridges, built in 1939. Yeh, I feel totally safe traveling over that structure.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pm/sarcasm
It was also directed at specific shortsighted Republican/conservative policies and agenda.
You must be a Minnesotan then, referring to “here” as our lovely state? My apologies. Ive seen so much simpering liberal crying at TP, I thought you meant posters on this blog; business as usual.
Now if only we can get some far-reaching and cogent liberal policies to take care of things like bridges and roads. I know, throw money at it!
August 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pmNow if only we can get some far-reaching and cogent liberal policies to take care of things like bridges and roads. I know, throw money at it!
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
People who inspect bridges, repair bridges, and provide materials for said repairs, like to get paid.
What’s your solution?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:27 pmtest
August 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pmI know, throw money at it!
August 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pmComment by Vigo
test
August 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmtest
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
A+
August 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmpete,
You get an A+ as well.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmHe’s the captain of the ship, dingleberry.
He came up with the no funding idea, dipshit.
Thats zooey, the thoughtful and kind resident dame, always ready with a witty retort or sly rejoinder.
You do understand that right now the focus is on the design of the bridge itself, that the structure was supposed to be able to handle military traffic and that the weight loads it sustained on the day it fell were far below its limits?
You also understand that the last man still missing is a construction worker who was working on the bridge to..er…how do I say this, repair and restore it?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmThey deleted the rest of my post, dammit!
My comment to troll Vigo was that we were not talking about the Republican solution of throwing more money (and more bodies) to Iraq.
We’re talking about our domestic infrastructure crumbling.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:31 pmCurious indeed. I posted a comment. It never appeared. I rewrote it in slightly different form, copied it, and posted it. It never appeared. So I pasted the copy in the comment box, and tried to post it. The server replied that I was posting a duplicate comment, even though it has never appeared. So I pasted it again, and got the same thing. I can’t understand what is so frightening about the comment in question.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Again — keep your sexist comments to yourself.
You do understand that MN state officials knew of bridge failure.
You also understand that “bridge officials talked openly about the possibility of the bridge collapsing — and worried that it might have to be condemned.â€
And that “plans to reinforce the bridge were well underway when the project came to a screeching halt in January amid concerns about safety and cost.”
Maybe they should have closed the bridge for repairs, ya think?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:34 pmHere’s what’s actually the real story: despite the rating of the MN bridge as something like structurally deficient, this didn’t mean it was in imminent danger of collapse.
Comment by Demsguiltyofbridgecollapse — August 20, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Here’s the problem nutwad, the bridge WAS in imminent danger of collapse. That’s why it collapsed. But under the Republican ideology nobody is ever responsible for anything and unless some crony is getting rich, your guys aren’t spending the money. Actually fixing bridges creates jobs, giving out repair money to contractors just makes the contractors rich and puts us all in danger.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pmthanx Z But I can’t seem to post anything else!
August 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pmZooey, (post #68)
He’ll never concede those points. It would be too much reality for him.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:36 pmYou also understand that the last man still missing is a construction worker who was working on the bridge to..er…how do I say this, repair and restore it?
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Wrong again, Vigo. They were resurfacing the deck of the bridge, and were not performing any structural work.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:36 pmAmazing, isn’t it, that Repugnicans never seem to be able to anticipate disasters even when warned about them…
…Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside America (August 2001 PDB)
…Hurricane Center warns that Katrina might have potential to breach leveees (warning a few days before landfall)
…and now, bridge may have to be condemned; it may collapse.
Amazing also that there’s always tax money available to build a millionaire a new stadium, but never enough to keep bridges from falling down or levees from failing or investigative agencies to put together the pieces and avert a terrorist attack (too busy investigating semen on blue dresses I guess).
August 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pmVigo has been proven wrong how many times?
What a weak-assed troll.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pmPeople who inspect bridges, repair bridges, and provide materials for said repairs, like to get paid.
What’s your solution?
What? No insult? Hmmm, you might be falling off your game.
If you look waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back up in the thread (use that little wheel on the mouse to go up) you will see that Im not happy with the Minnehaha Choo Choo System that loses fifteen million dollars a year in operating costs and put the state behind by a billion dollars to even get built.
Fifteen million…you know why? Because no one rides the strange thing. It starts nowhere and ends nowhere and is ridiculed simply as a railed getaway car for thieves to get my tv back to their house more easily. It solves no traffic congestion, serves people who get better and cheaper service by bus and has managed to kill a dozen people already.
Thats a start.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pmYou do understand that right now the focus is on the design of the bridge itself, that the structure was supposed to be able to handle military traffic and that the weight loads it sustained on the day it fell were far below its limits?
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
How wrong can you be? Obviously the bridge couldn’t handle the load, or it wouldn’t have fallen! What a dingbat. And the focus is not on the design of the bridge itself. That certainly is part of the story, but the focus is far more on the deficient maintenance of the bridge.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmWhy is the answer ALWAYS more taxes? How about diverting those wasted billions to the roads and bridges?
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
You mean like the wasted billions we’re throwing away in Iraq. How about the billions given to Halliburton and Blackwater.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmOne last try. I still think it’s possible the construction crews damaged a major support. There will be plenty of blame to throw around.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:42 pmTP, why are you censoring my comments?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:43 pmComment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
So!?
That has nothing to do with the BRIDGE.
Dumbass — feel better?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:45 pmHe’ll never concede those points. It would be too much reality for him.
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Vigo has been proven wrong how many times?
What a weak-assed troll.
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
It doesn’t matter to him, unless it affects him personally — as in a lost loved one, not the beaucoup taxes he might be paying — then the wailing would start.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:47 pm[...] the focus is far more on the deficient maintenance of the bridge.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
I’ve heard talking heads on the news trying to explain the bridge collapse in terms of a deficient, outdated, design. Which is probably why the troll brings that up.
The troll (and the air-headed news casts) are seemingly unaware that, with proper maintenance and repairs, any man-made structure can actually last a very long time.
Otherwise, there would be no Sistine Chapel, Tower Bridge, Eiffel Tower, or Statue of Liberty. The Golden Gate is almost twice as old as this bridge in Minnesota was and it’s still standing. The difference? Maintenance.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:50 pmIt doesn’t matter to him, unless it affects him personally — as in a lost loved one, not the beaucoup taxes he might be paying — then the wailing would start.
Comment by Zooey
OK, I understand. He’s a sociopath.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:50 pmnot a test
August 20th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI am being shut out from posting anything with non-trivial content.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:51 pmBTW, do you have to be such a harpy in every single response? Geez, try putting a smile on for once.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Look at the impotent pansy who came here scowling who wants posters to smile and thinks calling them a harpy will accomplish that. Is there not one subject you have a effing clue about.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:51 pmI will work in pieces:
When Vigo calls it the Minnehaha Choo Choo, he is wrong: it is the Hiawatha Light Rail.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pmExcellent points, Gregor Samsa!
Thank you.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pmWhen Vigo says it set Minnesota back a billion dollars, he exaggerates. The cost to Minnesota was only half that much.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pmLook at the impotent pansy who came here scowling who wants posters to smile and thinks calling them a harpy will accomplish that. Is there not one subject you have a effing clue about.
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
I hope you were smiling when you typed that! :D
August 20th, 2007 at 8:53 pmIf you look waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back up in the thread (use that little wheel on the mouse to go up) you will see that Im not happy with the Minnehaha Choo Choo System that loses fifteen million dollars a year in operating costs and put the state behind by a billion dollars to even get built.
Fifteen million…you know why? Because no one rides the strange thing. It starts nowhere and ends nowhere and is ridiculed simply as a railed getaway car for thieves to get my tv back to their house more easily. It solves no traffic congestion, serves people who get better and cheaper service by bus and has managed to kill a dozen people already.
Thats a start.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
By Minnehaha Choo Choo are you perhaps referring to the light rail line in Minneapolis?
Ah yes, I see another intelligent comment on the subject.
If Minnesotans werent condemned to have how many billions wasted on the Minnehaha Choo Choo System, we wouldnt need to even consider taxes. That toy train has killed more people than it carries daily.
Billions? It was a little over $700 million. And ridership is higher than projected levels. I hear this same crap over and over from anti-transit people. “Ooooh, it’s killed people.” Yes. So do cars and people obviously need to be cautious around trains. “Oooooh, no one rides it.” Except the trains are packed, especially during rush hour.
Bah.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:53 pmVigs, dont bother trying to reason with them, as you can see there is a serious regression factor that comes into play.
Ms. Zooey will of course complain that you call her something, then fire back some heinous slur as proof of her superiority. Ive learned from long experience here that eventually, no matter what you say, you will be branded as a moron, fool, f*ckhead or, in the case of zooey, a dingleberry.
Its still fun to show up though, because the regular libs here are just so funny to spar with, they get so upset. I love them!
August 20th, 2007 at 8:53 pmNow if only we can get some far-reaching and cogent liberal policies to take care of things like bridges and roads. I know, throw money at it!
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
No we’ll do it the Bushco way, wait for them to fix themselves. Or maybe Georgies armies of compassion will volunteer to fix the bridges and bring their own materials with them. But who is going to pay for the insurance on the project since it’s about the most dangerous work out there, idiot?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:54 pmverbalKint,
If you have a link, spell it out with the “dotcom” instead of the actual link.
Other than that, I think one word may have activated the filter, so try writing any possible flag words LiKe ThIs.
May help.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pm:)
When Vigo says that it has killed a dozen people already, he lies. There have been two deaths in three years. The Houston light rail line, of similar length, killed 11 people in its first 10 months. The Hiawatha Light Rail has an excellent safety record. The two deaths included an elderly man who drove his car through a lowered crossing gate, and an elderly woman who fell from a platform.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pmComment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Long experience, TeenieBrain? This might be the second or third time I’ve ever bothered to address you.
Dismissed.
Can we get some less whiney trolls, please?
August 20th, 2007 at 8:56 pmHeinous slurs? Zooey?
Wow. These trolls are delusional.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:57 pm#92 gummitch, the $700 million price tag is about right, but I don’t think that cost was borne entirely by Minnesota. The Federal Government kicked in a few hundred million. I say this because vigo specifically says that Minnesota paid a billion.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:58 pmWow. These trolls are delusional.
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Dingleberries can be quite heinous. :D
August 20th, 2007 at 8:58 pmWhen vigo says it goes from nowhere to nowhere, he must be calling the Mall of America (one end of the line) nowhere, and he must be calling downtown Minneapolis nowhere (the other end of the line), and the international airport and Northwest Airlines hub nowhere (the middle of the line).
August 20th, 2007 at 8:59 pmFYI, I haven’t put any links in my posts. I did include the phrase “Taxpayers League of Minnesota” however.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:00 pmExcept the trains are packed, especially during rush hour.
Great, you mean people who would otherwise be riding buses, the buses they see cruise by them and arrive fifteen minutes earlier?
Sorry no, I work all over the Twins and those trains are never packed, ever. The numbers are inflated by outstate geeks who come to watch a twins game and ride the choo choo.
And its only 700 million? Well great! We can add that to the 840 million for the new line to be built between StP and Mpls…lets see, carry the five…add two…divide by Pi…that equals….ummm…
August 20th, 2007 at 9:01 pmZooey,
You should actually take all of their attention as a compliment. – - –
Rove’s strategy was to go after an opponent’s strong point.
That makes you the “threat” to them.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:01 pmWhen vigo says it goes from nowhere to nowhere, he must be calling the Mall of America (one end of the line) nowhere, and he must be calling downtown Minneapolis nowhere (the other end of the line), and the international airport and Northwest Airlines hub nowhere (the middle of the line).
Yep, thats what Im calling it. Now do what I do, get on I94, 494, 694 or the 35’s at about 0700 and see how much effect that train has on traffic. But at least shoppers can get from the MegaMall to the Nicollet mall and not have to worry about getting their feet wet.
Useful little choo choo, if you dont mind driving to the mall before you head out to catch a flight at the airport.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:05 pm#103 Vigo, you are wrong again, and again, and again:
1. Studies by MTC have shown that light rail has added many new riders to the system.
2. The trains are standing room only at rush hour, and are packed to the gills before and after Metrodome events.
3. Tim Pawlenty, having seen the immense popularity and success of the line, is backing the new line between the downtowns.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pmI hope you were smiling when you typed that! :D
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Oh sure, I afraid of getting scolded by Wiggo.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmAnyone care to count how many factual errors Vigo has written on this one thread? I know I can hardly keep up with debunking this ignorant freak.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmAll of you ignorant trolls are guilty of enabling these kinds of deaths. Fight all taxes, fight all Democrats, be as obnoxious as possible, then blame the victims and the honest people who believe we get the government we pay for. Demand accountability and shut these ugly, hateful creeps up. This is my country. I want better.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmThat makes you the “threat†to them.
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
It’s their own inadequacy that makes them feel threatened. :D
August 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmVigo, don’t you think it’s time to put down the shovel?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI think it is fair to say, Bush does not give a damn unless it involves himself or his issues.
Bush has shown us he knows how to get his bills through, his justices and he , according to the news, he has alerted the Fed for protection from hurricane Dean for Texas … just in case.
Did he do this for Katrina? It is on video, Bush being advised about the dangers of Katrina before it hit. His actions were slow with 9/11, … where are the funds for other bridges at risk?….
It is all about Bush and his have mores.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pmAmen, article4.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pmVigs, dont bother trying to reason with them, as you can see there is a serious regression factor that comes into play.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 8:53 pm
Oh look, LibWeenie is having a play date. That is soooo cuuuute.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:10 pmVigo, it is going to be awesome when that new line connects downtown Minneapolis, the University of Minnesota, and downtown St. Paul.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:11 pmDingleberries can be quite heinous. :D
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
And they smell like, well, shit.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pmWhen Vigo says that it has killed a dozen people already, he lies. There have been two deaths in three years.
Four deaths.
Hehehe. Liar.
I forgot to add in the costs that were incurred when it was discovered that the trains would trigger the safety arms too early. $400,000.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pmHEyOOOOoOOOOOoOOOOOoOOOOo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Why do you say that?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:14 pm52, 73, 77, 88, 90, 96, 101, 107
These are comments in which I correct factual errors made by the troll Vigo. Some of the comments give multiple corrections.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pmOh look, LibWeenie is having a play date. That is soooo cuuuute.
Another case study rears its head.
Luckily, Im not a liberal so my sunny disposition is undaunted by the likes of geeks such as…well….such as shane.
Like I said, liberal regression is hard at work here (it makes derailing the threads much easier).
August 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pmshane,
LOL
play date; reminds me of Biscuit’s time with her new friend Ziti.
:D
August 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pmFour deaths.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Interesting. In two previous comments you said “a dozen”. Do you know how many are in a dozen?
Four is wrong, too. It has been two.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pmAnyone care to count how many factual errors Vigo has written on this one thread? I know I can hardly keep up with debunking this ignorant freak.
Comment by verbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Debunking Wingo has been a full time joby for you and gummitch. Thanks for the effort. Wiggie is using personal, anecdotal evident to judge the project. It’s the rovian way.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:17 pm52, 73, 77, 88, 90, 96, 101, 107
These are comments in which I correct factual errors made by the troll Vigo. Some of the comments give multiple corrections.
Comment by VerbalKint —
Your work should be commended.
Thank you.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:17 pmHEyOOOOoOOOOOoOOOOOoOOOOo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Why do you say that?
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
I think it’s a mating call.
Don’t be surprised if Ringo shows up soon.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmFour is wrong, too. It has been two.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Correction, it has indeed been four.
Got one right there finally, eh Vigo? Now go review comments 52, 73, 77, 88, 90, 96, 101, and 107.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmVigo, it is going to be awesome when that new line connects downtown Minneapolis, the University of Minnesota, and downtown St. Paul.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Veggie is afraid to ride the trains. He’s seen movies where bad people ride on trains. And he’s afraid of getting lost, or missing his stop, or having to pee his pant in front of other riders.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:19 pmFour is wrong, too. It has been two.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
But he heard about each of the deaths twice.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmVigo, it is going to be awesome when that new line connects downtown Minneapolis, the University of Minnesota, and downtown St. Paul.
Yeah. Great. Wont do a thing to reduce the congestion coming in from the western burbs or Monticello area, but at least the gang members can get across the city easier. Ill be happy knowing that as my truck idles away the morning, creeping along at 10mph past Maple Grove.
Light rail was designed for the Calhoun liberals so they could feel like they was in da big citayyyy, just loik New Yoakers; it doesnt do a thing to reduce actual traffic congestion.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmVigo’s math is pretty fuzzy, isn’t it?
4=12????
Then again, everything that troll says is pretty much crap.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmLike I said, liberal regression is hard at work here (it makes derailing the threads much easier).
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Prove this is true or it’s a lie.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmplay date; reminds me of Biscuit’s time with her new friend Ziti.
:D
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
Biscuit and Ziti, is that a playdate or lunch?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:21 pmYour work should be commended.
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Just thought I would bring some local expertise to the discussion. Minneapolis is my town and the Hiawatha light rail line passes through my neighborhood.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:22 pmYoure coming along well shane. And to think that just yesterday you were pushing a cart.
Good job my boy!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:22 pm…it doesnt do a thing to reduce actual traffic congestion.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Especially when you’re idling in your truck in 10 mph traffic, dimwit.
It’s not magic, you have to do something different.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pmVigo,
park your day-emed SUV and join the rest of the world.
You are not too good to ride the train.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI think it’s a mating call.
Don’t be surprised if Ringo shows up soon.
Comment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
That right! Mackeral is a yellow-bellied sapsucker. Or is that a long-nosed c*ck-s*cker? I get confused.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pm… and the Hiawatha light rail line passes through my neighborhood.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Scary! All those gang members so close!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:24 pmComment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Thanks, VK. I learned a lot about your light rail system. I love riding the light rail when I’m in Portland, OR.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:25 pmLight rail was designed for the Calhoun liberals so they could feel like they was in da big citayyyy, just loik New Yoakers; it doesnt do a thing to reduce actual traffic congestion.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
It added new rides to the public transportation system. Of course it doesn’t reduce question in the western suburbs: it isn’t located there.
Lake Calhoun is on the other side of town, numbskull, and it must be very painful for you to know that MOST people in Minneapolis are liberals.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThat was funny, shane!
I never thought of that.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:25 pmI’m still fighting with my camera to upload new pic’s.
Soon, hopefully.
Prove this is true or it’s a lie.
“Veggie is afraid to ride the trains. He’s seen movies where bad people ride on trains. And he’s afraid of getting lost, or missing his stop, or having to pee his pant in front of other riders.
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 9:19 pm”
Whew…I actually had to scroll up a few posts to find one, though there are many to choose from. If this is your idea of substantive debate, then you belong with Edwards on the campaign trail.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pmI’ll be happy knowing that as my truck idles away the morning, creeping along at 10mph past Maple Grove.
Light rail was designed for the Calhoun liberals so they could feel like they was in da big citayyyy, just loik New Yoakers; it doesnt do a thing to reduce actual traffic congestion.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
And he doesn’t see the irony. Light rail is a failure because it doesn’t “do a thing” to reduce congestion — while he commutes in a truck. Undoubtedly not sharing the vehicle, either, so that he makes no effort to relieve traffic congestion and blames light rail because it doesn’t make his morning commute magically better.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pmYoure coming along well shane. And to think that just yesterday you were pushing a cart.
Good job my boy!
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Pushing a cart? Enlighten me oh wiseass.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pmOops, typo alert. Should say “congestion” not “question”, and “riders” not “rides” in my previous post.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by LibTeeni
Hows that money pit terrorist welfare state of Iraq, a gift from the GOP, going for ya?
Much more expensive than a bridge eh?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pmWhy do you say that?
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
he Y oo oo oooo OO oo OOOO oooo OOOOOOO ooooooo !!!! !!!! !!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
He thinks he’s Ed McMahon.
Didn’t McMahon have ED?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pmshane,
see post #140 – - –
It’s obviously sick and in pain.
Or just incredibly immature and stupid.
hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…..
August 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmScary! All those gang members so close!
Comment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Scary bunch those Minnesota gang banger. When they yell oh aye it scares the bejeebus out of sluggo.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmComment by LibTeeni
Hey, isn’t a freedom operation for a bunch of muslims about the stupidest welfare act ever?
Just thank the Neo-Con for stealing your tax money!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmMinnesota already has some of the highest taxes in the nation. Too bad the Dumb F*ckin Liberal party there keeps porking up the budget with huge Medicaid spending.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:30 pmHey you know LibTeenie, with that 8 billion the GOP lost in Iraq they could have fixed that bridge!
BTW how is that moneypit GOP Terror state Iraq going for ya?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pmScary! All those gang members so close!
Comment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
Minnesotans are so polite I once had a gang banger dressed in full gang regalia hold the door open for me at the Super America. Not that there aren’t a few scary people here and there.
The light rail line here is clean, safe, and convenient.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pmLake Calhoun is on the other side of town, numbskull, and it must be very painful for you to know that MOST people in Minneapolis are liberals.
Youll notice I didnt say that these particular liberals had to live next to the train, merely that they want to leave their Calhoun Mansions and feel like their Manhattan brethren as they ride the choo choo.
Rich liberals would never actually LIVE near the train, no no no, much too..”common” for the likes of them; they just want to have that big city feel without having to see the actual tracks right outside their door or mix with the serfs too often.
Most people in Minneapolis are liberal, Ill grant you that, then again Mpls routinely gains the moniker “Murderapolis, so I wouldnt be jumping up and down with glee if lived there (shudder).
August 20th, 2007 at 9:32 pmMinnesota already has some of the highest taxes in the nation. Too bad the Dumb F*ckin Liberal party there keeps porking up the budget with huge Medicaid spending.
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Then don’t come here, jerk, and if you already live here, move to Texas.
Just think, providing medical assistance to the poor. How awful.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:33 pmBut the reality is that we cannot accomplish adequate maintenance with the existing revenue dedicated to transportation, even if we stopped building light rail systems today. It is especially not possible if we continue to spend billions of dollars invading other countries and wearing down our active duty military and the Guard so that billions more are needed to get them back up to strength.
It would easily be possible if Lyndon Johnson had not signed the Medicare law!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWoooo.
Thank God for the GOP and the multi-billion welfare state called Iraq!!
WOoOOooOOooOWHeEeEEeEEEeEE!!!
We got 27 million brand new Iraqi welfare recipients with guns!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pmPushing a cart? Enlighten me oh wiseass.
Dont be coy, you know what I mean. Cart? Pushing a cart?
OH COME ON, you get it!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pmthen again Mpls routinely gains the moniker “Murderapolis, so I wouldnt be jumping up and down with glee if lived there (shudder).
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Routinely? I don’t think so. One very ignorant, provincial, NY Times reporter coined that term. The murder rate here is comparable to Columbus, Ohio. This is perhaps the safest large metropolitan area in the United States.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmThen don’t come here, jerk, and if you already live here, move to Texas.
Just think, providing medical assistance to the poor. How awful.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Why would I go to the Land of a Thousand Taxes?
The imbecile Democrats in the state legislature are driving out all the wealthy taxpayers to South Dakota!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIt would easily be possible if Lyndon Johnson had not signed the Medicare law!
Comment by m12
Or Bremer lost 8 billion, CASH MONEY, In that GOP welfare state full of Muslims!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmComment 152 by Vigo is so irrational I can’t formulate a response to it.
Good job, Vigo, you’ve rendered me speechless.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:36 pmThe imbecile Democrats in the state legislature are driving out all the wealthy taxpayers to South Dakota!
Comment by m12
Hell that aint nothing, were (GOP) wasting biliions and billions and billions in a country that hates our freedom!! And driving all of the wealthy Tax Payers, Yeh I know you aint one m12, out of America!!
AInt that some Krazzy SheeeeaahhtTT??
America, the new new Mexico, complete with corruption and bribes, and all that!! Thank God for the GOP and eternal war!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pmScary bunch those Minnesota gang banger. When they yell oh aye it scares the bejeebus out of sluggo.
Right, from the boy who has never had to go down to the HCMC environs after dark.
You pull that routine on the downtown Hennepin and you get to find out just how good MN plastic surgeons really are.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pmThe imbecile Democrats in the state legislature are driving out all the wealthy taxpayers to South Dakota!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Got any numbers to back that up? The Taxpayers League of Minnesota has been making this bizarre claim ever since I moved here 18 years ago. So why isn’t the population of South Dakota growing then? We outperform all other states in the upper Midwest by a wide margin when it comes to economic growth.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pmRich liberals would never actually LIVE near the train, no no no, much too..â€common†for the likes of them;..
Comment by Vigo
Hmmm………
That’s odd. Cambridge, MA is an incredibly wealthy city, yet they have buses and subways, and you’re as likely to sit next to a millionaire as you are a person living in assisted housing.
I guess you’re just a snob. Too good to ride with the “commoners.”
August 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pmRight, from the boy who has never had to go down to the HCMC environs after dark.
You pull that routine on the downtown Hennepin and you get to find out just how good MN plastic surgeons really are.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
Umm, I pretty sure that it’s you who has never been on Hennepin in downtown after dark. Try it some time. You will see the streets packed with people going to and from the night clubs and the Target Center.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmComment 152 by Vigo is so irrational I can’t formulate a response to it.
Good job, Vigo, you’ve rendered me speechless.
Use the quiet time to match posts to their numbers, I didnt post #152…or 151…or 153.
I know a good optometrist if you feel you need one.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmI guess you’re just a snob. Too good to ride with the “commoners.â€
Comment by trueblue — August 20, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
He’s just a piss-soaked troll.
Naturally, after several embarrassing puddles, the train passengers requested that he drive his own truck.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmUse the quiet time to match posts to their numbers, I didnt post #152…or 151…or 153.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Well, the numbers do switch around a lot here, but right now I’m looking right at it, and #152 is signed “Vigo”.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmHell that aint nothing, were (GOP) wasting biliions and billions and billions in a country that hates our freedom!! And driving all of the wealthy Tax Payers, Yeh I know you aint one m12, out of America!!
I think you are confused, good sir. It is John Edwards and his propaganda that threatens to drive away capital and investment with the most outrageous proposals in the history of this nation.
Even Bill Clinton didn’t believe in Edwards’ confiscation!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:43 pmUmm, I pretty sure that it’s you who has never been on Hennepin in downtown after dark. Try it some time. You will see the streets packed with people going to and from the night clubs and the Target Center.
Yup, and all you have to do is be willing to walk in the streets to avoid the bangers and wanna-be’s who crowd the sidewalk and dare you to push your way through.
That city is becoming more of a dump than ever, and it was a dump back when the Skyway was a decent theatre.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:43 pmOr Bremer lost 8 billion, CASH MONEY, In that GOP welfare state full of Muslims!!
8 billion? What is that, a couple hours worth of Medicare spending in this nation?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:44 pmEven Bill Clinton didn’t believe in Edwards’ confiscation!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Now would that be the Bill Clinton who presided over the greatest post-war economic expansion of any president? The same Bill Clinton who didn’t start and lose two wars?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:45 pmComment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
This is #152, you are 151 and your sister “conweenie” is 153. No doubt about it.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:45 pm8 billion? What is that, a couple hours worth of Medicare spending in this nation?
Comment by m12
Yeh, but, terrorists dont get medicare now do they? Oh, what about that those hospitals and all that infrastrucure all new and shiny like!! Of course the GOP gives them muslims welfare boy!! That 8 billion was just a drop outta your bucket!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:46 pmIf this is your idea of substantive debate, then you belong with Edwards on the campaign trail.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Why do you think Edwards can’s debate?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:47 pmOh I see, i done messed up the trolls dreamworld, I do declare, I am so sorry to have to tell you that…
YOUR TAX DOLLARS IS BEING STOLEN BY MUSLIMS IN EEERACK!! We cons call it reconstruction [wink wink] You didn’y really think oil was gonna pay fer that did ya?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:48 pmDon’t worry, Vigo, wait another minute and those comment numbers will shuffle around. This is, after all, TP. You know which comment I am talking about.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:49 pmUmm, I pretty sure that it’s you who has never been on Hennepin in downtown after dark. Try it some time. You will see the streets packed with people going to and from the night clubs and the Target Center.
-VerbalKint
Yup, and all you have to do is be willing to walk in the streets to avoid the bangers and wanna-be’s who crowd the sidewalk and dare you to push your way through.
That city is becoming more of a dump than ever, and it was a dump back when the Skyway was a decent theatre.
Comment by Vigo
All one has to do is read that response to realize that Vigo is a frightened rich boy who has probably never left mommy’s estate. He is really sad.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:49 pmhe Y oo oo oooo OO oo OOOO oooo OOOOOOO ooooooo !!!! !!!! !!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Provide a link or this is a lie, mackeral.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:49 pmVigo, if you are too scared to come to the city, there is a simple solution: don’t.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:50 pmIf this is your idea of substantive debate, then you belong with Edwards on the campaign trail.
Comment by LibTeenie
I gotta airplane ticket to go meet up with ROmney, get a 5,000 haircut, a splash of Aqua Velve, a manicure and then were gonna go debate at some topless bar!!!!
Whooooo!! Put the dog on the roof and cover your nose!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:51 pmThe same Bill Clinton who didn’t start and lose two wars?
Too busy running away, I suppose.
Now just think of all the choices you get for the DFL nomination…is your heart thumping in your chest?
Obama: wants to invade Pakistan AND sit down for tea with Ahmageddonajad
Edwards: so dumb he didnt know if Cuba had nationalized healthcare even AFTER seeing ‘Sicko’.
Clinton: agrees that the surge is showing success AND says the troops will be in Iraq for at least two more years
Take your pick. Warmonger or total moron.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:52 pmThe imbecile Democrats in the state legislature are driving out all the wealthy taxpayers to South Dakota!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
I know when you think you’re right about everything, those damned “facts” just get in the way of a good hissy fit… but…
Minnesota Budget | Minnesota Taxes | Federal Tax & Budget
Economic Self-Sufficiency | Minnesota Budget Bites
The Minnesota Budget Project is an initiative of the Minnesota Council of Nonprofits.
Minnesoat Budget Project…
“High Tax” State is Only Average
http://www.mncn.org/bp/rankopex.htm
You can reaad, can’t you? or did they skip “reading Comprehension” in Private School and go straight to “Chilled White Whine”?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:52 pmComment by ConWeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Heh. The troll has a personal troll!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:53 pmThat city is becoming more of a dump than ever, and it was a dump back when the Skyway was a decent theatre.
Comment by Vigo
Why you think were spending all your tax money on Muslims!!!
They is gonna have a right nice theocracy thanks to you!!
You living in the rust belt boy!! The wealthy folks moved out when we started making japanese cars in Merika!!
Money Trumps Poltics Boy, dont cry cause your left behind!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:53 pmDont be coy, you know what I mean. Cart? Pushing a cart?
OH COME ON, you get it!
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
I have no clue. Please explain.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:54 pmToo busy running away, I suppose.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
You mean, like Duh-bya… guarding his personnel files from Viet Cong?
Damn, he did such a good job NO ONE has ever been able to find them… but people remember him… the swagger, the can of chewing tobacco in his pocket…
August 20th, 2007 at 9:55 pmTake your pick. Warmonger or total moron.
Comment by LibTeenie
I’ll take that pretty woman in the dress over yonder. Yeh that one Rudia!! You go girl!! She aint real smatt but she sure is pretty!! Libteenie wishes she was built like RUDIA!!
WhhhhHhHoOoOoOOO!!!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:56 pmVigo, if you are too scared to come to the city, there is a simple solution: don’t.
Sadly, I often have to work in the TC’s or somewhere nearby. There is very little in those city’s to attract me, other than the hapless Twinks or the fantastic Wild. One look at the downfall of the Palomino is proof enough.
How I wish the new stadium was going up in Anoka county.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:57 pmThe imbecile Democrats in the state legislature are driving out all the wealthy taxpayers to South Dakota!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
The wealthy taxpayers in MN are moving to South Dakota. That’s hysterical. You don’t know any wealthy people do you ur12?
August 20th, 2007 at 9:57 pmCriminal negligence!
August 20th, 2007 at 9:59 pm8 billion? What is that, a couple hours worth of Medicare spending in this nation?
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
So you don’t care about pork or wasted tax dollars as long as it’s a Republican pet project.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pmI have no clue. Please explain.
Youre trying to pull a funny.
Its RIGHT THERE in front of you…how can you not get it?
Work on it a little and if you dont understand Ill tell you.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:02 pmIts RIGHT THERE in front of you…how can you not get it?
Work on it a little and if you dont understand Ill tell you.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
I don’t understand.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:05 pmIts RIGHT THERE in front of you…how can you not get it?
Work on it a little and if you dont understand Ill tell you.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Don’t bother, shane.
TeenieBrain doesn’t even know — he’s stalling so he can make something up. It’s hard work.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:05 pmNow zoe, can I call you zoe? Cool. Dont you have a cave to haunt or something?
Ok, now I gave you something to respond to..so go ahead, lets see that famous wit manifest itself.
Hold on everyone!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:08 pmWork on it a little and if you dont understand Ill tell you.
Comment by LibTeenie
Golf carts?? Yeh, I have you 99%ers pushing us all ’round!!
Liquor Carts? Yeh, hire me some publican troll-o-cons, they’ll do anyting for money!!!!
HAR HAR. I’ll tell you a little secret teeny-bopper, Rush is just a man-boob, a 99%er, he does what we want!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:09 pmOh and Shane? You worked on it for what, two minutes?
Go back to your cart.
Its RIGHT THERE. Think politically, as a liberal, as what you always think conservatives are trying to say to liberals.
THINK, man!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:09 pmHold on everyone! Comment by LibTeenie
Speaking of Caves how is Mann Coulter doing?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:10 pmComment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
You may call me Zooey.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:11 pmIts RIGHT THERE. Think politically, as a liberal, as what you always think conservatives are trying to say to liberals.
THINK, man! Comment by LibTeenie
Heres 20 bucks can I swallow your bait?
HAR HAR!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:11 pmThere is very little in those city’s to attract me, other than the hapless Twinks or the fantastic Wild.
Comment by Vigo — August 20, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
Episode 22 of the Mary Tyler Moore Show:
22. “A Friend in Deed”- Twinks, the new WJM receptionist, swears she met Mary at summer camp when they were kids, but Mary’s too embarrassed to admit she doesn’t remember her.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:12 pmTHINK, man!
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
I’m not a man and you ARE stalling.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:13 pmLibTeenie.
you have found your true calling. you are a success.
behind that screen and in front of your keyboard you can rule
your world.
no matter how small and insignificant it is…
it is yours.
congrats.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:14 pmOk! Zoe it is! Cool.
Glad to see your response didnt come with its usual “F*ck you!” or F*ck off, dingleberry” comments. Perhaps there is hope for you yet (Im not crying, I just have something in my eye)
Group hug everyone! Come on, zoe made post to a conservative without an F-bomb attached! Balloons and noise-makers for all!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:15 pmWell libteenie, do you have an answer or is it all just a crock?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:15 pmThink politically, as a liberal, as what you always think conservatives are trying to say to liberals.
Can I see your turdblossom!!!
Naww, wait, better…
CLINTON GOT ORAL SEX ,LEMME GIVE YOU YOURS!!
HARDY HAR HAR!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI just put up a very long post that described why the Minn collapse did not really need to result in any deaths. It was about chaos theory.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmIt was an engineering analysis of fault mechanisms and why with the knowledge that failure was possible, authorities could have put in sensors to detect the potential failure days or months of the actual collapse. TP ate it. Dumb me did not save it before posting.
I’m not a man and you ARE stalling.
Sincerest apologies. Ill restate.
Ahem:
“Think, boy!”
August 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmComment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
You may call me Zooey.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmTHINK, man!
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Here’s something you can explain, maybe. Why do Republicans hate oral sex?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:16 pmThink, boy!â€
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Not a boy either. Do you have any other guesses?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:17 pmCome on, zoe made post to a conservative without an F-bomb attached! Balloons and noise-makers for all!
Comment by LibTeenie
VP Dick would be—–Heartfelt!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:18 pmBallons and noise makers for the hypocrite crowd!!! YAY, theres Ted!! ANd Rush!! METH and VIAGRA for the CON -Crite CROWD!!! And Prostitutes!! Male and Female!!
YAY!!
Libweenie, if you don’t know what you were talking about could you just admit it and I’ll move on.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:18 pmNot a boy either. Do you have any other guesses?
Sincerest apologies. Ill restate.
Ahem:
“Think, hermaphrodite!”
August 20th, 2007 at 10:19 pmLibgenie, I’m waiting.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:20 pmHere’s something you can explain, maybe. Why do Republicans hate oral sex? Comment by shane
I think it has something to do with Oral Roberts…
August 20th, 2007 at 10:20 pmHere’s something you can explain, maybe. Why do Republicans hate oral sex?
I dont know, why dont you ask one?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pm“Think, hermaphrodite!â€
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Your neocon colors are showing. There’s a simple answer and you can’t figure it out.
How about addressing the cart issue.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI think it has something to do with Oral Roberts…
Comment by ConWeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
Giving or receiving?
Ugghhhhh, just grossed myself out….
August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 pmThink, hermaphrodite!â€
Comment by LibTeenie
Anne Coulter!! WHere? Where!?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 pmI think it has something to do with Oral Roberts…
Comment by ConWeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
Maybe they’re afraid of anything with teeth.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 pmYoure missing whats right in front of you. Right in FRONT of you. (clue)
August 20th, 2007 at 10:22 pmYou can reaad, can’t you? or did they skip “reading Comprehension†in Private School and go straight to “Chilled White Whine�
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 20, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Thank you for posting out of date nonsense.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/335.html
August 20th, 2007 at 10:23 pmMaybe they’re afraid of anything with teeth.
Or quills, hate those quills.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:24 pmUgghhhhh, just grossed myself out….
Comment by Zooey
What Dennis Hastert? WHere! Where!?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:24 pm“despite the rating of the MN bridge as something like structurally deficient, this didn’t mean it was in imminent danger of collapse. With such a rating, said bridge only deserved more inspections and a focus on improvements–which it was already receiving. ”
does that mean it didn’t fall down? Was it all made uyp by the liberal media.
Put Pawlenty in prison, where he belongs.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWhy do you think Edwards can’s debate?
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
Guess you missed him getting Cheneyed in 2004!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:25 pmUgghhhhh, just grossed myself out….
Yah, those random mirrors can be a biotch.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:26 pmYoure missing whats right in front of you. Right in FRONT of you. (clue) Comment by LibTeenie
something called libteenie.
You got a cart with a laptop, awesome!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:26 pmWhat Dennis Hastert? WHere! Where!?
Comment by ConWeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
He’s in LibTeenie’s cart.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThank you for posting out of date nonsense.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/335.html
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
Says the idiot who invoked LBJ.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmI bet all them homeless publi-trolls is jealous as Foley with a 16 year old!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmPut Pawlenty in prison, where he belongs.
He can have your old cell, ya level three.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmYah, those random mirrors can be a biotch.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Yeah, I just saw the size of your wife’s ass.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmHe’s in LibTeenie’s cart.
Comment by Zooey
She should beware of that skin-disorder he gots.
From having Pile ons!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:28 pmWell Libteeny are you going to explain or not. Don’t wimp out now.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:28 pmNow would that be the Bill Clinton who presided over the greatest post-war economic expansion of any president? The same Bill Clinton who didn’t start and lose two wars?
Hmm? No, in terms of real incomes and GDP growth, the greatest economic expansion came during and after the Kennedy tax cut!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:29 pmHe can have your old cell, ya level three.
Comment by LibTeenie
Speaking of single cells don’t them things tend to rattle around and make noise like a rattlesnakes tail when ya try to shake water out your ears?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:32 pmSays the idiot who invoked LBJ.
Comment by shane — August 20, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
Would be nice, shane, if there was a sunset clause on the trillions of dollars we have dumped on unproductive people thanks to his foolishness.
Alas, there is not.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:32 pmI always woindered about that..why karl must sound like a babies ratlle when he walks…
HAR HARDY HAR!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pmFrom having Pile ons!!
Comment by ConWeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
Blech. :P
August 20th, 2007 at 10:35 pmtrillions of dollars we have dumped on unproductive people thanks to his foolishness. Comment by m12
Yah, imagine, Iraq, trillions of dollars, unproductive people, fanatical like, with guns. YAY GOP!!
WOoOooOOo!! Were gonna break LBJ’s record in just 6 years!! YAY GOP!!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:35 pmI feel sorry for you libs.
Kerry and Clinton hiked the gas tax to fix the bridges back a few years ago. Now they are cycling the same words…perhaps you can fool some people more than once.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:37 pmLBJ would be proud of the GOP today, why we found a way to profit off unproductive foreign people and still screw the American taxpayer!!!
WOOOOOOOOoOooo!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:38 pmAnd plus we [GOP] made government 35% bigger!!
Go Norquist! YeeeeeeHaaaaWWW!!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:39 pmMan, This thread has gone nowhere in 3 hours. Lots of name calling. What have you solved. God gave us all a brain. Spend some time using it, instead of yelling at each other.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:40 pmKerry and Clinton hiked the gas tax to fix the bridges back a few years ago. Now they are cycling the same words…perhaps you can fool some people more than once.
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Everyone knows bridges only need to be fixed one time.
**eyes rolling**
August 20th, 2007 at 10:43 pmOur infrastructure is in bad shape.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThe money to fix it is tied up in tanks, ammo and soldiers in Iraq.
The money we owe to China could have been used to repair much of it.
Thanks Bushits.
Take your pick. Warmonger or total moron.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
You already elected both in one cowardly deserter. Clinton got a blowjob. Bush lost 3 wars. Hmm, which one is the success?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:45 pmease up, Tom.
no thread ever goes anywhere. it’s people typing what they want to say.
name calling is just a small a part of it.
decorum? good luck.
the war on common sense. neo-con style.
heh. neo-cons.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:48 pmKerry and Clinton hiked the gas tax to fix the bridges back a few years ago. Now they are cycling the same words…perhaps you can fool some people more than once.
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
hey, republicans stole that money for corporate welfare. now people are dead because of it. You’re all thieves and liars, and should be driven out of this country.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:50 pmYou already elected both in one cowardly deserter. Clinton got a blowjob. Bush lost 3 wars. Hmm, which one is the success?
Alas, neither of them is running in the next election for POTUS.
So, do you want to invade Pakistan, keep the troops in Iraq for a few more years or fix poverty by foreclosing on New Orleans homeowners?
Well I guess there is a fourth choice…Biden…but he is a warmonger who wants to stay in Iraq AND send troops to Darfur. Lets just count him out since he is just a second tier candidate (as Hillary would say).
August 20th, 2007 at 10:54 pmClinton got a blowjob
That and lie under oath, but who believes in that ‘oath’ crap anymore?
August 20th, 2007 at 10:57 pmSo, do you want to invade Pakistan, keep the troops in Iraq for a few more years or fix poverty by foreclosing on New Orleans homeowners?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Maybe I’ll just sit out the primary and vote for the winner in the general election.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:58 pmThat and lie under oath, but who believes in that ‘oath’ crap anymore?
Comment by Mark – Buckeye state — August 20, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
certainly no republicans. Clinton, by the way, didn’t lie under oath.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThat and lie under oath, but who believes in that ‘oath’ crap anymore?
Comment by Mark – Buckeye state — August 20, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Not any Libby supporters, that’s for sure.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:59 pmMaybe I’ll just sit out the primary and vote for the winner in the general election.
Who do you think that will be? The choices arent really all that good on either side, then again Im an optimist so perhaps Ill go for the person with the shiniest shoes and hope for the best.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:01 pmSo, do you want to invade Pakistan, keep the troops in Iraq for a few more years or fix poverty by foreclosing on New Orleans homeowners?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
and your candidates have what solutions? Only 1000 times worse than any Dem can come up with. 7 years of successful terrorist attacks at home, incompetent disaster relief, falling bridges, lawbreaking, spying on citizens, stripping citizens of their Constitutional rights, torture, destroying the military, and losing three wars simultaneiously. A record only a Republican rightwing bootlicking jocksniffing traitor could be proud of.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:03 pmWho do you think that will be?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
The one who gets the nomination.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmActually now that I think about it, I might vote for Barack. I figure that once we own Pakistan there will be a secret pipeline bringing SOMETHING back to the empire.
Perhaps kumquats…does Pakistan have those? Hmmmm, a Secret Kumquat Pipelineâ„¢.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmThe one who gets the nomination.
Toooochay! (excuse my Phrench). Bravo my good man!
I always tell my NeoConWarmongerOilBaron friends that libs have a sense of humor…they say “No way!”…but I say “Why Yeeeeesss, they DO.”
August 20th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIll go for the person with the shiniest shoes and hope for the best.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Wow!!! Look! Something shiny… spoken like a true GOOPer!
August 20th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIll go for the person with the shiniest shoes and hope for the best.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Wow!!! Look! Something shiny… spoken like a true GOOPer!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 20, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Hey, with the shiny shoes he might catch a little reflection action.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI always tell my NeoConWarmongerOilBaron friends that libs have a sense of humor…they say “No way!â€â€¦but I say “Why Yeeeeesss, they DO.â€
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
I always tell my SocialistElitistTreeHuggingDefeatocrat friends that Repugs are all complete idiots… they nod, pass the doobie, and life goes on.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:14 pmand your candidates have what solutions
No, ya see you dont have to care about them because they wont get your vote anyway.
YOUR choices on the DFL side consist of: a Pakistan invader, a troops kept in Iraq’er or a manipulator of the poor’er. Quite the conundrum for a anti-war liberal wordsmith such as yourself.
Or I suppose you could vote for Kucinich and get his vote count up to two (even his own wife isnt crazy enough to vote for him).
August 20th, 2007 at 11:14 pmWow!!! Look! Something shiny… spoken like a true GOOPer!
Yes, as I said those would be shoes.
What are shoes you ask? Another time, perhaps.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHey, with the shiny shoes he might catch a little reflection action.
What the hel is that?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWhat the hel is that?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
It’s like pushing a cart, get it?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:25 pmEveryone knows bridges only need to be fixed one time.
**eyes rolling**
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
The government has continuously been claiming the Clinton gas tax. How many times do they plan to fix the bridges?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pmOur infrastructure is in bad shape.
The money to fix it is tied up in tanks, ammo and soldiers in Iraq.
The money we owe to China could have been used to repair much of it.
Thanks Bushits.
Comment by RUCerious — August 20, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
So where did the Clinton gas tax go for 10 years, before the 2003 invasion?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:29 pmSo where did the Clinton gas tax go for 10 years, before the 2003 invasion?
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Apparently NOT to the bridge in Minneapolis.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:31 pmHow many times do they plan to fix the bridges?
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Maintenance is ongoing, dingleberry.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:31 pmSo where did the Clinton gas tax go for 10 years, before the 2003 invasion?
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
You mean before bridges started falling down? i wonder where they went. Maybe to maintenance. Damn those Democrats, keeping Americans safe and well.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:33 pmComment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
So why didn’t the Clinton administration send some funding there? The DoT has some broad leeway in this matter…
August 20th, 2007 at 11:34 pmSo why didn’t the Clinton administration send some funding there? The DoT has some broad leeway in this matter…
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
It’s a good question. It’s one of the reasons I and others here are constantly demanding accountability in our government. But others seem to think accountability is a bad thing. Go figure.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmMaintenance is ongoing, dingleberry.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Which is why the Clinton tax hike is ongoing. Nobody has explained why we need more gas taxes!
August 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI like the idea of a higher gas tax, less peeps driving their cages means more room for the FJR.
More room for ronzajj and his moped too.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:40 pmWhich is why the Clinton tax hike is ongoing. Nobody has explained why we need more gas taxes!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Maybe more stuff needs maintaining. Why don’t you find out?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:40 pmYou mean before bridges started falling down? i wonder where they went. Maybe to maintenance. Damn those Democrats, keeping Americans safe and well.
I guess you missed the new Congress diverting that money to SCHIP pork, stem cell research, and the Gonzalez witch-hunt….
August 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmNobody has explained why we need more gas taxes!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
1. To keep more bridges from falling down.
2. To discourage the consumption of gas.
There’s two reasons. I’m sure there are many more.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmMaybe more stuff needs maintaining. Why don’t you find out?
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
You libs want to increase my taxes. You find out.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmYou libs want to increase my taxes. You find out.
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
You’re the one asking — you find out.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:42 pmI guess you missed the new Congress diverting that money to SCHIP pork, stem cell research, and the Gonzalez witch-hunt….
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
The Gonzalz witch-hunt, as you describe it, is an attempt to provide accountability in our government. Without accountability, the other so-called wastes you speak of will continue unabated.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmMaybe more stuff needs maintaining. Why don’t you find out?
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
When he gets his license in three more years he’s find some bridges. You know m12 is either 13 or severely challenged mentally.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pm1. To keep more bridges from falling down.
2. To discourage the consumption of gas.
There’s two reasons. I’m sure there are many more.
Comment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Isn’t this from the same group who keeps whining about tax cuts for the ‘rich’ and income ‘inequality’? Brilliant!
August 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmNobody has explained why we need more gas taxes!
Its not about ‘explaining’, its about feelings.
Higher gas taxes mean liberals can feel good, that they are doing something positive to protect their fellow Americans…without actually having to work with those dirty people who hang out in front of the missions and shelters.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmYou libs want to increase my taxes. You find out.
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
See, that’s a canard. We want the rich to pay their fair share, not you in the trailer parks. In fact, for bottom-feeding scumsuckers like you, we want taxes eliminated, so you can fix your tooth.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pm…without actually having to work with those dirty people who hang out in front of the missions and shelters.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
You work with them?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmIsn’t this from the same group who keeps whining about tax cuts for the ‘rich’ and income ‘inequality’? Brilliant!
Comment by m12 — August 20, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
I don’t see the inconsistency. Gas, like cigarettes, is a luxury item that society has an interest in discouraging the consumption of. I apologize for the poor sentence structure.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:46 pmSee, that’s a canard. We want the rich to pay their fair share, not you in the trailer parks. In fact, for bottom-feeding scumsuckers like you, we want taxes eliminated, so you can fix your tooth.
Comment by ronjazz — August 20, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
What is a fair share?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pmHigher gas taxes mean liberals can feel good, that they are doing something positive to protect their fellow Americans…without actually having to work with those dirty people who hang out in front of the missions and shelters.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
No Republican has ever worked at a shelter, or given anyone any hellp except fat cat corporate thieves. If Republicans weren’t so busy ripping off America, shelters would be unnecessary. Except for the socially inept, like littleteeniedick.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pmIt REALLY makes sense in Minneapolis. With the bridge gone, people are having to find alternate routes which are adding considerably to drive-times and congestion.
So lets hit those same people even harder by making their gas more expensive, the gas they are burning as they sit in the extra traffic caused by the bridge collapse.
As M12 said, “brilliant”.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pmComment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Write your Congress person and have them start investigations.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:49 pmSo lets hit those same people even harder by making their gas more expensive, the gas they are burning as they sit in the extra traffic caused by the bridge collapse.
As M12 said, “brilliantâ€.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
yes, especially as the oil companies are hurting so bad, with all-time record profits every quarter for the past 4 years. littleteenie dick hasn’t a clue. get out of your diapers and sandbox, kid, and learn something. flouting your ignorance as proudly as you do just proves the intellectual emptiness of rightards.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:49 pmAl Qaeda has no more fervent supporters than Bush and Cheney, and their masters the Saudis.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pmComment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
It gets even better for those suckers. Not only will they get the federal gas tax, they’ll get hit again with a new state gas tax!
That’s what you get for voting liberal.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pmYou work with them?
Glad you asked, why yes I do. Its called the Dream Center. Twice a week every week. Come on down for a visit; dont worry, Ill make sure the little people dont get their smell all over you.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pmSo lets hit those same people even harder by making their gas more expensive, the gas they are burning as they sit in the extra traffic caused by the bridge collapse.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
They might even think about using some other form of transportation.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmThat’s what you get for voting liberal.
Now, if I were a mean-spirited boy like ronzajj, I could do a lot with that statement, but Ill let it go.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmNice that m12 is in favor of more people being killed in bridge and mine collapses than the rich paying their fair share of taxes. True compassionate conservatism. Profits over people.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:53 pmLet me bump this question for you ronjazz. What is a fair share?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmGUESS WHAT… THEY TEND TO BE REPUBLICAN!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Wrong. Dead wrong. Completely, indelibly wrong. Guess what, you’re incredibly, stupidly, ignorantly wrong.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmThey might even think about using some other form of transportation.
Sure, but Im thinking that riding a bike from St. Cloud to the cities in the middle of January cant be all that much fun.
Not all of us live next to the Cinnabon© that employs us, right ronzajj?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:55 pmLetting the bridge fall, instead of maintaining it, is criminal negligence. The families of those killed and injured have a right to sue Governor of their state for malfeasance.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:55 pmIll second that question that jazzo will never answer: what is a fair share?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:56 pmIll make sure the little people dont get their smell all over you.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Make sure you let them know how you look down on them.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:56 pmNot all of us live next to the Cinnabon© that employs us, right ronzajj?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Maybe we should think of making some lifestyle changes then.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pm“…without actually having to work with those dirty people who hang out in front of the missions and shelters.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:43 pm”
Oh, such a full, loving heart. The bitterness you project is so telling : no social interaction – oh that’s correct not leaving the basement – you have no clue as to how the real world turns.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmNow, if I were a mean-spirited boy like ronzajj, I could do a lot with that statement, but Ill let it go.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
if you had half a brain, you might understand that statement, but I understand that you have to let it go. Gas prices have doubled since Bush stole the White House, but the taxes haven’t risen by more than 3-4%. You’re one retarded wingnut.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmWhy don’t YOU!?!?!?
You’re the LIBERAL, liberal.
Comment by Makarios — August 20, 2007 @ 11:53 pm
Because I don’t think they need investigating, asswipe.
You’re the one b*tching about them.
DO something about it — or shut up.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pmMaybe we should think of making some lifestyle changes then.
Comment by Egreggious — August 20, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
I find it unbelievable that these trolls will b*tch and moan, but they will never actually do anything to make a difference.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pmMake sure you let them know how you look down on them.
Nope, just serve food, pass out bedding, make sure they have toiletries and such, the usual.
Tomorrow Ill be sure to tell them that the dems care so much about their plight that they are going to raise the GAS tax! Not that very many of them have cars, but its the thought that counts.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pmComment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
It’s obvious you’re only there for your own ego. You think they don’t know that?
You think crowing from the rooftops like you do gives you extra credit?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:01 amTomorrow Ill be sure to tell them that the dems care so much about their plight that they are going to raise the GAS tax! Not that very many of them have cars, but its the thought that counts.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
They’ll start thinking about trading in their SUVs, I bet.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amDO something about it — or shut up.
Comment by Zooey — August 20, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Please, as if. Makarios lifting a finger to serve his country? If he had the urge to do that, he’d be in Iraq, and we know he isn’t. This is the unifying trait among these useless rightards: rank cowardice, propped up by laziness of mind and body.
And the fair share of taxes for the very wealthy is 90% marginal. The country grew strong and became great in the 50s, when the rich actually contributed rather than sucking the USA dry. Anything less is just unAmerican greed.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amMaybe we should think of making some lifestyle changes then.
Im with ya brother.
Raise some Pyongyang-style apartment blocks, cluster a bunch of factories around each one and take our yearly three-day vacation at a nearby polluted pond.
Six days a week we shuffle off to the broom factory and on the seventh day, well, the seventh day is for thanking our lib government for us not having to deal with lawns or boats or family BBQ’s anymore.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:04 amTomorrow Ill be sure to tell them that the dems care so much about their plight that they are going to raise the GAS tax! Not that very many of them have cars, but its the thought that counts.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 20, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
I’m sure you’ll tell them that it’s to repair infrastructure to save lives, unlike the Deserter-In-Chief borrowing trillions from China to show his daddy how tough he is by killing American servicemembers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi families.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:06 amRaise some Pyongyang-style apartment blocks, cluster a bunch of factories around each one and take our yearly three-day vacation at a nearby polluted pond.
Six days a week we shuffle off to the broom factory and on the seventh day, well, the seventh day is for thanking our lib government for us not having to deal with lawns or boats or family BBQ’s anymore.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Maybe you sihould get some education; you wouldn’t have to live in such miserable circumstances. But, everybody needs brooms, so you might as well make them.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:07 amIt’s obvious you’re only there for your own ego. You think they don’t know that?
Ya see, Im not a liberal so Im actually able to do things for others without feeling as if I need to gain something, political or otherwise.
I know you want me to be something evil because of this, but people tell others what they cant do because they dont have the will or the courage to do it themselves. Bitter people like you.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:09 amI’m sure you’ll tell them that it’s to repair infrastructure to save lives, unlike the Deserter-In-Chief borrowing trillions from China to show his daddy how tough he is by killing American servicemembers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi families.
Most of them dont have the time or the resources to make themselves part of the political dialogue; they have bigger concerns such as where they will live or get their next meal.
I can pretty much guarantee they dont give a flock about the Iraqis, then again, they dont work part-time at Cinnabon© and have a lot of spare time on their hands afterwards.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amI know you want me to be something evil because of this, but people tell others what they cant do because they dont have the will or the courage to do it themselves. Bitter people like you.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Projection and guilt. Very wingnut of you. Notice that you’re the one bragging about helping the smelly little people. You’re cheap, and obvious. I bet you think you’re quite the hero. and I’ll also bet your “clients” think you’re quite the asshole.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amBitter people like you.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:09 am
You don’t know anything about me — just like you don’t know anything about the people in that shelter.
You’re the one calling them smelly, and talking about them like they’re stupid — no one else but you.
You’re in it for yourself.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:15 amNow that ronzajj has defined “fair” all we need is for him to define “rich”.
This should be interesting.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:17 amLet’s answer the question.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:17 amHow much is enough? If you make a million a year, how much would you think you NEED of that million?
Ask a Republican, they need $999.999.98, and figure they should pay about two cents.
Ask a Dem or Independent, and they’d figure they might need half, until their retirement fund and a scholarship fund for nephews and nieces was nicely endowed.
EDUCATE YOURSELF, FOOL!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 21, 2007 @ 12:11 am
That link has nothing whatsoever on it that even speaks to your point. You are an idiot, and still wrong as you can be, which is amazingly wrong. And there is no way for you to prove the stupid, wrong statement you made. Give up. You were born wrong, and will die wrong, and be wrong in between. Get together with littleteeniedick; together, the two of you can rival the Bush crime syndicate in being wrong about everything, all the time. Maybe you can go on Rush’s show, since he likes to be wrong.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:18 amThis should be interesting.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Well, it’s nothing you’ll ever be, so what’s the point? I’m thinking that the shelter you “work” at is probably home for you as well.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amWell, it’s nothing you’ll ever be, so what’s the point?
Oh so predictable.
Blanket statement of indignation, yet no parameters to rationalize it.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:32 amYou don’t know anything about me
I see, but youre just FULL of righteous indignation because you know so much about me, is that it?
Bitter people like you who see evil in anyone who doesnt think the way you do and feel it necessary to make judgements of every kind but fly into a rage when its returned in kind.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amBitter people like you who see evil in anyone who doesnt think the way you do and feel it necessary to make judgements of every kind but fly into a rage when its returned in kind.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:34 am
islamofascists?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:38 amislamofascists?
Zoe is an islamofascist? I guess I could see that.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amWell, it’s nothing you’ll ever be, so what’s the point? I’m thinking that the shelter you “work†at is probably home for you as well.
Thats at least the second time you have slandered the poor on this thread; are you anti-poor as well as a homophobe?
Try to stay on the talking point, ronzajj; you cant bemoan the fate of the poor while simaltaneously mocking them. Understand?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:49 amI think it would be on topic to remind people that one of Makarios’ (Mr P and dozens of others) links said the bridge was destroyed by a Hillary front group called AmericaVotes. He likes to call her PigInAPantsSuit.
August 21st, 2007 at 1:14 amWe haven’t taken care of our infrastructure since before Reagan. That’s why the leeves didn’t hold in Katrina. It’s going to happen a lot more, especially after global warming really kicks in. It comes under the type of “tax and spend” that voters have been taught is wrong. It doesn’t come under the type of “spend and pile on the debt” that voters have been taught is glorious.
And nobel-prize winning economist study has said Iraq will cost $2.2 TRILLION (before escalation).
August 21st, 2007 at 1:19 amI mean levees.
August 21st, 2007 at 1:22 amThats at least the second time you have slandered the poor on this thread; are you anti-poor as well as a homophobe?
Try to stay on the talking point, ronzajj; you cant bemoan the fate of the poor while simaltaneously mocking them. Understand?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 21, 2007 @ 12:49 am
My comments are in response to, and aimed directly at, you. You slander the poor and gays constantly; I point out your hypocrisy and lies. You brag about helping those whom you obviously detest, I point out your hypocrisy and lies. You fly into rages every time you come here to fling your crap; I point out your hypocrisy and lies. I don’t have or need talking points of any sort; I have the truth and clear observation of a lifetime of watching you greedy, cowardly pigs take all you can grab, run away from the duties that you scream about, fail to defend your country while warmongering, and cower in fear at anyone who looks different from you. I’m a lifelong liberal, and until weak hypocrites like you and your thieving, scurrilous, deserting phony president came along to destroy 200 years of progress and freedom, I was extremely tolerant of even the rightwing idiots that plague this world. I was even dismayed when Reagan was shot, now I’m pissed off that he lived to start this slide into banana-republic, third-world isolationist ignorance that YOU champion. The poor are of far higher character than the rich, by and large, and the rich are extraordinarily poor in humane, Christian qualities in this country at this time. Your straw men are easily collapsed; your arguments superficial and cowardly, your positions indefensible and based on ignorance. You are a person of low morals and character, and a lousy American. Understand?
August 21st, 2007 at 2:12 amI will have more to say, but gotta get to work…
August 21st, 2007 at 8:25 amGuys, you are arguing with a person who has named himself after a fictional liar. Vigo, is a reference to a game called Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines.
Vigo is the caller on the games “Radio” show, who is demonstrated as being a liar on night one.
Good game, Vampire.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:27 amAnd on the subject of the bridge, its like the old lesson you learn when you are small: If you don’t look after your things, they break.
It really is time Americans lost their fear of taxes and started looking after their things.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:34 am