REPORT: 68 Percent Of Foreign Policy Experts Favor Redeployment From Iraq
REPORT: 68 Percent Of Foreign Policy Experts Favor Redeployment From Iraq
The Bush administration has regularly claimed that U.S. involvement in Iraq “will lead to a much safer world for our children and our grandchildren.” America’s foreign policy experts, however, strongly disagree.
In the third release of the “Terrorism Index,” a survey conducted by the Center for American Progress and Foreign Policy, a bipartisan group of more than 100 respected foreign policy experts see a more dangerous world and a war in Iraq that is “alarmingly” off course. Participants included senior government and intelligence officials, military commanders, and noted academics. Eighty percent have served in the government, including more than half in the executive branch, 32 percent in the military, and 21 percent in the intelligence community.
Their conclusions are deeply critical of the Bush administration’s national security priorities. The war in Iraq, however, received the harshest criticisms:
On Iraq:
92 percent said the war in Iraq negatively affects national security.
53 percent oppose decision to increase troops in Iraq (up 22 points from six months ago).
68 percent favor redeploying U.S. forces from Iraq over the next 18 months.
64 percent of conservative experts say the surge is having either a negative impact or no impact. 25 percent of the conservatives favor immediate withdrawal.
Only five percent of the experts believe al Qaeda will be weaker as a result of the escalation, and only three percent believe Iraq will become a “beacon of democracy.”
On the terrorist threat:
84 percent believe the U.S. is not winning the war on terror.
91 percent say the world is becoming more dangerous for the United States.
80 percent favor sanctions or diplomatic measures to curb Iran’s nuclear program.
While the administration has frequently fearmongered that the terrorist threat will “follow us home” after withdrawal, the experts disagree. Eighty-eight percent — including 58 percent of conservatives — believe it is unlikely that “terrorist attacks would occur in the United States as a direct result of a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq.”
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This is all BS and you know it
August 20th, 2007 at 12:08 pmThe more reality and facts of the matter the more Bush retreats into his bubble.
America will be paying a terrible price for this dumbf**ks actions.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:11 pmOUCH! COMMONSENSE IS A MOTHERF*CKER!
August 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThis was is illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and financially ruinous - and has been that way since the day it started.
More and more killing isn’t going to change that. The time to end this insanity is now. Not next year, and not next month.
Today, not tomorrow. now.
That’s my rant. Read on if you’d like:
“Top-Ten Reasons to Get out of Iraq. Now!”
August 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ top_ten_reasons_to_get_out_of_iraq_now
The Decider will have the final say.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pmThis is all BS and you know it
Comment by gitMORules — August 20, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Meaningless comment. No facts, no position. Nada, nil, zip. Empty calories.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWait … I thought we decided we didn’t listen to Foreign Policy “Experts?”
August 20th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe fact that some of the key questions did not receive a 100% response, e.g. 84% believe the U.S. is not winning the war on terror, shows that some of these people are not very credible experts.
Screw the experts. 70% of the American people know enough now to see that we should begin staging a withdrawal of some sort or another, and we know that the 28%ers are stark, raving mad.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:16 pmand we know that the 28%ers are stark, raving mad.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Got that part right, which is proven each time the trolls post here.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pmWait … I thought we decided we didn’t listen to Foreign Policy “Experts?â€
Comment by Chris — August 20, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
WTF does this mean??? Nothing???? Oh, got’cha… ;-)
August 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThis is all BS and you know it
Comment by gitMORules — August 20, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
An old Afghani(YES AFGHANI)proverb says that the correct response to a fool is silence…
August 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThis is all BS and you know it
Comment by gitMORules
No, all your posts are BS, Mr. P-brain.
This happens to be a report based on facts, totally unlike anything you post.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmtest
August 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmTP, I am tired of my posts disappearing for no reason.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmWait … I thought we decided we didn’t listen to Foreign Policy “Experts?â€
Comment by Chris — August 20, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Chris, do you see many comments here that make the case for withdrawal based on the words of experts? I don’t. In fact I almost never see it. I see people relying on common sense, their own basic knowledge of how the world works, and a respect for the rule of law.
So what’s your point?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:23 pmTP, I am tired of my posts disappearing for no reason.
Comment by VerbalKint
most of my posts have been eaten by the filter-monster this morning, too hehe
August 20th, 2007 at 12:24 pmVerbalkint, that’s why I go away from time to time. It’s discouraging when the dumbest of the dumb comments get thru and reasoned retorts are shot down.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhen one attempts to reason with a crazy person, it’s useless to tell them that nobody agrees with them, that their ideas are foolish and won’t work, and that their actions have disastrous consequences. The crazy person just believes that he is more enlightened than everybody else, that everybody else is a fool, and that he will be vindicated when he turns out to be right.
The statistics on these experts is just confirming what the rest of us already know. The crazy person who needs to be convinced isn’t going to listen. Sigh.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThis is all BS and you know it
Comment by gitMORules
Got a link? Prove it?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pmYes, but what do the “very serious” experts of the think-tanks think?
Screw the academics with real professional knowledge, we need to know the advice of the little nerds who weren’t smart enough to be academics, and played too much Risk as kids - the Kagans, the O’Hanlon’s, and the like.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:33 pmMob rule is not always the right rule. Also, I do like that article posted by stoptheneocons. It has valid points and does reprimand both political parties for the blight of Iraq.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pmSurvey participant list includes Slade Gorton. I know Slade’s record as he is my former Senator, and he’s no foreign policy expert.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“… the majority of right-thinking people are wrong.”
Monty Python
August 20th, 2007 at 12:38 pmMadeline Albright and Paul Bremer are also on the list. They have foreign policy experience.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:39 pmMob rule is not always the right rule.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. Did anyone say anything about mob rule? Or is this your way of saying that Bush’s imperial presidency is somehow better than respecting the will of the people and the rule of law?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:40 pmWhy do the experts hate America?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:41 pm92 percent said the war in Iraq negatively affects national security.
same in the UK 99% believe , Iraq has made terrorism worse and us all less safe
August 20th, 2007 at 12:42 pmTwenty-five people identified themselves as some level of conservative, 39 identified as moderate, and 44 identified as some level of liberal. In order to ensure balance, the survey was weighted according to ideology to make the number of weighted liberal respondents equal to the number of conservative respondents.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:42 pmIt’s a fact that some of have known from the beginning, and that the majority of people have recognized for quite some time. That a bunch of “in the know” charlatans are now getting it in no way validates their findings. Facts are immutable, no matter how many people recognize them, or refuse to recognize them.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pmMadeline Albright and Paul Bremer are also on the list. They have foreign policy experience.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 20, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Paul Bremer?
Well, that explains part of the 3% predicting Iraq will be a “beacon of democracy.”
August 20th, 2007 at 12:43 pmMob rule is not always the right rule.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
#
Imagine that you were having kidney problems. You go to 100 different doctors and ask what they suggest. By and large the greater majority of them all suggest the same thing. Do you take the opinion of the eight doctors who disagreed?
This is not a case of “mob rule”. When many people who are supposed to be very knowledgeable about these issues, on both sides of the partisan divide, all come to the same consensus, that might be something we may want to consider.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:44 pmPassengers: “Look! Up ahead!!”
Oedipus: [at helm of Bus] “I see nothing.”
Passengers: “Exactly, its a chasm!”
Oedipus: “Yeh, poppy says the same thing. Senile old man”
Passengers: “But can’t you see it?”
Oedipus: “Yesman no. 1 look, what do you see ahead?”
Yes man 1: “Exactly what you see, sir! Nothing!”
Oedipus: “See, look, there is nothing ahead.”
Passengers: “We want a second opinion! there is nothing ahead! An abyss!”
Oedipus: “Yesman no. 2 look, what do you see ahead?”
Yes man 2: “Not a damn thing sir!”
Oedipus: “See, nothing to fear but fear itself. Staying the course.”
Yesmen: [in unison] “Yes sir, sir.”
Passengers: “At least stop and let us off this crazy thing!”
Oedipus: “We have no brakes. We didn’t see a need for them.”
Passengers: “How about a vote, democratic wise, to open the emergency exit?”
Oedipus: “Fine. Go. Vote.”
Passengers: “We voted to open the emergency exit”
Oedipus: “There is no exit. Just a course. Like a snowball down an icy bank. Momentum we are.”
Passengers: “God help us!”
Oedipus: “Karl says there is no God, right Karl?”
Karl: [thru Radio] “Sir, I bailed out already”
Oedipus: “Thats it…your fired.”
Karl: “Nice try. I quit when I discovered you had no brakes! The Architect wins again!”
Oedipus: “Naw, I had a transmitter implanted in your blossom.”
Karl: “Eh? So?”
Oedipus: “So here comes one of them things used to shoot camels up the butt.”
Karl: “Nice Tr…[Fingers arse] oh sheeeeeeet!”
August 20th, 2007 at 12:47 pmOedipus: “Nice try. BahBye Turdsie”
Chris L
Everyone has an answer…I have heard very few solutions that benefit all involved.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:47 pmDefinately seems to be a bipartisan report.
look at the Deciphering the Chatter section. They take both the Dem and Repuke candidates to task for their positions.
from the link:
Sen. Hillary Clinton: “I believe we are safer than we were.â€â€“–June 3, 2007
Terrorism Index Experts: A huge majority, 91 percent, believe the world is growing more dangerous for Americans and the United States.
Mayor Rudy Giuliani: “I support the president’s increase in troops. Even more importantly, I support the change in strategy. . . .â€â€“–Jan. 10, 2007
Terrorism Index Experts: The majority, 83 percent, believe the surge has had either a negative impact or no impact at all on the war in Iraq.
Sen. John McCain: “We lose this war and come home, they’ll follow us home.â€â€“–Mar. 10, 2007
Terrorism Index Experts: Nearly 9 in 10 say that they do not believe terrorist attacks would occur inside the United States as the result of a withdrawal from Iraq.
Sen. Barack Obama: “We must maintain the isolation of Hamas.â€â€“–Mar. 2, 2007
Terrorism Index Experts: More than 70 percent believe the United States should engage, not isolate, Hamas.
Gov. Mitt Romney: “This is a time . . . to increase our diplomatic isolation of Iran.â€â€“–Feb. 18, 2007
Terrorism Index Experts: Eight in 10 support engaging in bilateral dialogue with Tehran over its nuclear program.
Sen. John Edwards: “[Congress] should correct its mistake and use its constitutional funding power to force an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.â€â€“–July 10, 2007
August 20th, 2007 at 12:48 pmTerrorism Index Experts: Almost 80 percent of the experts oppose an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.
#28 Again, Mizuno, I don’t understand your point. In any case, I don’t think anyone here really cares what “experts” think, because we have learned that many of these people aren’t experts at all, just intellectualy dishonest people with an agenda. What this particular batch of experts say they believe just mirrors approximately what the American people believe.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:49 pmGuess it depends on how much you trust the doctors. If some of those 92 doctors received their education in Cameroon or if some of them were podiatrists, I wouldnt trust their opinion on my kidney problem.
How does one become an “expert” anyway?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#35, well, there are two classes of expert - some have actual expertise, either academic or professional. Many are naked ideologues. The latter can be found at think-tanks, and their opinions can be dismissed out of hand.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pmEveryone has an answer…I have heard very few solutions that benefit all involved.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Well, genius, then why don’t you share those few solutions with us? If there is even one solution that benefits all involved, I know that all of us here are dying to hear it.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:51 pmGuess it depends on how much you trust the doctors. If some of those 92 doctors received their education in Cameroon or if some of them were podiatrists, I wouldnt trust their opinion on my kidney problem.
Comment by Filbert — August 20, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Time to simplify the analogy. Your hand has just been cut off in an accident. Blood is spurting everywhere. What do you do? Would you consult a bunch of doctors first? OR WOULD YOU JUST STOP THE BLEEDING.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWithdraw immediately.
Let the savages partake in the civil war that has been festering for the last 1000 years; we get our troops out of that shathole region and masses of muslims finally get to meet allah in person.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pm#39 Racist on board.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHow does one become an “expert†anyway?
Comment by Filbert
Like me?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI don’t have one that is why I am not considered an “expert” but I do know how to ask the questions and I will know when I hear someone actually answer the questions instead of repeating the same rhetoric I have heard for years from both political sides.
Thanks for calling me genius though. I have been having a bad day.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:55 pm68 Percent Of Foreign Policy are faggits!!!
August 20th, 2007 at 12:56 pm#37 Yes, a good start in setting a pool of experts would be to eliminate, without exception, anyone working at a corporate-funded think tank.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pm#39 Racist on board.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
This comment should be applied to #40, assuming the numbers aren’t changed again.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:57 pmPelosi’s Stand on Impeachment is Killing the Democratic Party
It’s not just the Constitution that’s suffering because of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s nutty and unprincipled “impeachment-off-the-table” position blocking any effort to impeach President Bush or Vice President Cheney for their many crimes and abuses of power.
Her position on impeachment is killing the Democratic Party too, by driving away not just progressived members of the party, but independents who voted for Democrats last November expecting some action in defense of the Constitution.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLet the savages partake in the civil war that has been festering for the last 1000 years; we get our troops out of that shathole region and masses of muslims finally get to meet allah in person.
Comment by Filbert
So why free them from oppressive dictator? Why rebuild Iraq? Why waste your tax dollars? Why send troops into a shathole? flip-flopping again? Prove it?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#39, you act as if the sectarian fighting started on its own, without any nudges from outside parties like Saudia Arabia (egging on the jihadis) and our own “Salvador option”, egging on the Badr brigades and other “friendly” Shi’ite militias.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pmHistory Doesn’t Impeach, it’s up to Congress
One of the more ridiculous utterances coming from the mouths of Democrats who refuse to defend the Constitution and hold the Bush administration accountable is that “History will impeach George Bush†so they don’t have to. Vermont’s Peter Welch has trotted out this “argumentâ€, but if he would take a moment to read some history, he would understand that he has it exactly backwards.
August 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pmLouis Fisher, citing the 1803 case of Stuart v. Laird in his American Constitutional Law states: “The boundaries between the three branches of government are also strongly affected by the role of custom and acquiescence. When one branch engages in a certain practice and the other branches acquiesce, the practice gains legitimacy and can fix the meaning of the Constitution.â€
68 Percent Of Foreign Policy are faggits!!!
Comment by grover nerdqquist
Really, how so? Got proof?
August 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThis comment should be applied to #40, assuming the numbers aren’t changed again.
Comment by VerbalKint
TP Filters are on crack this morning……..
August 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmi’m off for now, got a busy day scheduled.
Comment by grover nerdqquist
Hows that smaller government coming? Drown it in a bathtub yet?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmI don’t have one that is why I am not considered an “expertâ€
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Strange. You are directly contradicting the claim you made in #33 when you said “I have heard very few solutions that benefit all involved.”
Would you like to amend this to say “zero solutions”?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmFilbert
I can understand that sentiment. Then the world will ask us to come in and save those poor, innocent people caught in the middle. If we say no, it is our fault it happened. If we go in, it is our fault it happened and then we will be asked to leave because we are occupiers again.
I guess it depends on which one we can live with and if the rest of world truly does influence our politics state side.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIt is so great that you libs don’t get a vote!
Comment by Makarios
Your a socialist? Isn’t that a lefty thing?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThis comment should be applied to #40, assuming the numbers aren’t changed again.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Bad assumption. What was I thinking?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThe solutions I have heard are
Withdrawals and leave enough behind in Saudi and Kuwait to mob up the possible genocide or civil war atrocites or watch and see terrorist take over.
Stay and secure the country the best we can as Iraqi government gets its stuff together along with its military.
The two very few solutions…that benefit all…according to the experts.
Therefore, there has not been one solution that benefits all but various solutions that benefit no one in the forseeable future.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI guess it depends on which one we can live with and if the rest of world truly does influence our politics state side.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
#
Ask Darfur and Rwanda about what we can live with. Quick question -
How do you see our troops in Iraq from stopping genocide?
Keep in mind that Patraeus is arming Sunni militants, a practice that Maliki has condemned.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:08 pmStay and secure the country the best we can as Iraqi government gets its stuff together along with its military.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
#
They haven’t been too good with that thus far. And the genocide continues whether our troops are there or not.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:10 pmAmong the more tragi-comic aspects of the departure of Karl Rove is the media’s renewed interest in the Bush Doctrine and its three tenets of no safe havens for terrorists, preventive war and democracy promotion. Last Monday, Rove claimed that the Bush Doctrine would live on and be the President’s legacy. And this morning, the Washington Post described a frustrated President Bush stymied by what it portrayed as bureaucratic stonewalling of his ailing global democracy project.
Lost in this flurry of analyses is the basic truth. The Bush Doctrine isn’t dying, it’s dead.
For the details, see:
August 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pm“Rove, Cheney and the Death of the Bush Doctrine.”
Chris L
How I see it right now, is we have to choose our poison and hope the antedote is not too costly?
Otherwise, we do what we should have done when our leaders choice this action and not fight a political war but an all out offensive. A war to win and secure it from the threats of outsiders.
Or deal with the fallout of withdrawal and nevermind the fact the rest of the world hates us…the will never forgive us if genocide or civl unrest spills in Iran or Saudi or Israel.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThere isn’t even a solid Iraq Government. There is no solid constitution. There is no real plan from within. There was no plan after the easy military victory.
The Bush administration gambled and the Iraqi people lost. Bush was gambling with our money and lost.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pmWho are the 3% that think Iraq will be a beacon of freedom in the middle east, and why are they considered experts at anything. That sounds more the position of an ideologue rather than a policy expert.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:24 pmThat sounds more the position of an ideologue rather than a policy expert.
Comment by ben — August 20, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Or the position of the village idiot.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:27 pmKeep in mind that Patraeus is arming Sunni militants, a practice that Maliki has condemned.
Comment by Chris L — August 20, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
This means we have moved from being neutral in the middle of a multi-sided civil war and moved to taking a side. That is a VERY dangerous position for our troops to be in, and is a no-win situation.
But then, the Chickenwak NeoCons that put them there and are keeping them there, don’t really care.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:30 pmOtherwise, we do what we should have done when our leaders choice this action and not fight a political war but an all out offensive. A war to win and secure it from the threats of outsiders.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
I’m going to ask you again to explain what this means. How exactly would you suggest the U.S. wage an “all out offensive” in the Iraq context where you have six or seven civil conflicts happening simultaneously? And what exactly is a “win?”
August 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pm#65 This means we have moved from being neutral in the middle of a multi-sided civil war and moved to taking a side.
But, see, we already took the other side when we were arming the SCIRI and Da’wa death squads and training them to murder and torture Sunnis they thought might be sympathetic to the insurgents. Remember the “Salvador option”?
We’re arming both sides in a civil war and are telling them to go against those people on the other side that conflict with our interests, and looking the other way when the predictable happens.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThen the world will ask us to come in and save those poor, innocent people caught in the middle. If we say no, it is our fault it happened.
Comment by mizuno
So, lets follow this American-centrism line of reasoning.
This statement means that
Vietnamese asked for the intervention of the US forces (napalm was a nice bonus, I guess),
Hawaiians asked to be another US state,
Puerto Rico, the same thing, they sure love it,
Grenada´s population wanted badly to be invaded by 6000 purple hearts fighting cuban railroad workers,
Guatemala was craving US-United Fruit´s mano blanca (death squads),
NIcaragua loved all the international law violations and thousands of peasants killings made by the Contras,
Iran was so happy about Mossadegh´s removal and the Shah,
Lebanon´s people was so overjoyed by US Marines strolling their streets
Serbs loved the “humanist” war that killed thousands of civilians
Panama and Colombia were so thrilled about the partition of the countries, back in the Roosevelt days and Panamanians loved the US action against Noriega (Bush I buddy) that left hundreds of civilian casualties.
Colombian peasants loved all the support by the US to paramilitary groups that left 70,000 (est) farmers killed and the drug in the hands of the government.
Bangladesh loves to work for almost free for American corporations (and other countries, lets be fair)
And the list can go on and on and on…
August 20th, 2007 at 1:37 pmIt is not just the republicans that are effected by the stench it is all the American people as to the world they have also become a stench.
I am just so glad I am not American. Of all western countries I couldn’t think of a worse fate than to have to travel of an American passport or sport an American accent. In my social group no matter what the topic of debate when ever an American talks, by mere fact of being American, they are not given any credability. Its all been lost.
It was pretty obvious from the start that Bush was a dim witted looser born of a wealthy and powerful family. An opportunist - the class clown that would allow his strings to be pulled without questioning just to be part of the gang. The slightly think fool that would have no qualms at doing nasty stuff so that he can hunt with the hounds.
Howevere in having been elected twice what he has done is turned the American people into dim witted losers born of a wealthy nation. An un-inquisitive lot who’s strings can were so easily manipulated. Bush has made the American people appear to the world as as mirror immages of Bush himself.
This is the tragedy for the American people as there are many who did see this but were unable to stop it. If no accountability (the checks and balances) is ever achieved then one thing we will all know is that American isn’t a functioning democracy as they pretend.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWe’re arming both sides in a civil war and are telling them to go against those people on the other side that conflict with our interests, and looking the other way when the predictable happens.
Comment by PeterW
We also allowed death squads to roam civilian areas, after Negroponte was appointed to Iraq.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI get a sense of history repeating itself for some strange reason.
Comment by Juan C — August 20, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Please don’t go on, it’s too depressing!
And remember how we called the Japanese Imperialists during WWII? Guess we should look in the mirror now, huh?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAnd the list can go on and on and on…
Comment by Juan C — August 20, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
What, like all those Chileans who were suffering under the democratically-elected despot Allende? Or the Ecuadorians who were crying out for us to sabotage President Aguilera’s plane?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:47 pmAnd remember how we called the Japanese Imperialists during WWII? Guess we should look in the mirror now, huh?
Comment by upside00 — August 20, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
I propose a new law to be petitioned to Congress.
August 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmAnyone found guilty of starting a war to spill blood for Corporate Interests, and not a danger to the US, should be eligible for the death penalty.
To be fair, Im gonna give the allowance of the vast majority of the world for the involvement of the US in the WWII… but it was after they were attacked. At that time Churchill was making money selling weapons to Stalin´s Russia under attack.
Such a bunch of nice people everywhere, dont you think?
August 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI wish someone would explain exactly how “they” will “follow us home?”
Boats (should be able to intercept)
airplanes (check passports)
cross borders (possible)
I would hope our national security apparatus would do some good.
Except that they are probably woefully underfunded since the money is being funneled into the Iraq fiasco.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmWe also allowed death squads to roam civilian areas,
I rather suspect we encouraged it.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWe also allowed death squads to roam civilian areas,
I rather suspect we encouraged it.
Comment by PeterW — August 20, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
And armed them, no doubt.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmFortunately, foreign policy isn’t the result of instantaneous polls among individuals with no skin in the game. The only opinion that matter is that of OUR President, George W. Bush.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe two very few solutions…that benefit all…according to the experts.
Comment by mizuno — August 20, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
If those are the only two proposed solutions you have heard, both of which are based on false premises, then I suggest you expand your news sources beyond Fox.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe only opinion that matter is that of OUR President, George W. Bush.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 20, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
What? Not even Barney’s opinion?
I knew you were messed up, Jason, but this post is dripping with so much authoritarianism it sounds positively Stalinist. What the hell about the opinions of Congress, the Judiciary, and the American people?
August 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pmFortunately, foreign policy isn’t the result of instantaneous polls among individuals with no skin in the game. The only opinion that matter is that of OUR President, George W. Bush.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 20, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
George Bush has skin in the game? Did Jenna join the Marines?
August 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“This is the tragedy for the American people as there are many who did see this but were unable to stop it. If no accountability (the checks and balances) is ever achieved then one thing we will all know is that American isn’t a functioning democracy as they pretend.
Comment by Rouge”
And this is one of the reasons why we have to impeach both Chaney and Bush. If we don’t show the world that we have learned from their mistakes and are working to fix the damage, we will forever be a nation scorned by the rest of the world.
August 20th, 2007 at 2:32 pmWhat the hell about the opinions of Congress, the Judiciary, and the American people?
Comment by VerbalKint — August 20, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
People like Mr. Hendler need to be told what to think, what to say, and what to do.
Which is why the cultists go into a blind rage whenever their father figure is criticized: They cannot fathom, let alone tolerate, anyone who doesn’t idolize their authoritarian father figure the way they do.
On topic,
There is something wrong with this panel of “experts”. How in the world can someone even consider Iraq will become a “beacon of democracy”, when what Iraqis have right now is a puppet government ruling with laws not even written by them but by their occupiers?
How is that fertile ground for democracy?
August 20th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI got this crock of shit in my e-mail this morning, looked at it, noted that there was no list of “non-partisan experts,” remembered that William Dobson is an ultra-left Newsweak agitpreppie, and dismissed the poll as just more rubbish from the Soros wing of the infra-red left [the Euro-Commie type]. The Cargnegie Endowment runs FP, and it has gone downhill fast since Bill Maynes left the Mging Editor job.
August 20th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by Juan C #68
…a little reminding…
…never hurts…
…but delusional sh*t maggots…
…like Jason Handjob…
…are impervious to…
..the TRUTH…
August 20th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWe are no doubt less safe because of Bush’s policies in Iraq. This report is a strong condemnation of Bush’s foreign policy in Iraq and how he has conducted his war on terror.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThe Iraq war has created more terrorists. Sending in more troops to Iraq was a bad idea. Our presence in Iraq is used as a recruiting tool by insurgents and al Qaeda. Redeploying all troops out of Iraq is the only solution left for Bush. I am glad this report has acknowledged how negative an impact the surge has had.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThese experts are right Bush is losing the war on terror. Military action against Iran will make us less safe. Bush should instead concentrate on Afghanistan and Pakistan where the real threat is. Bush argument that they will follow us home if we don’t fight is Iraq is wrong and juvenile.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:39 pmSeven-year-old Muslim boy stopped in US three times on suspicion of being a terrorist http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ pages/ live/ articles/ news/ news.html?in_article_id=476369&in_page_id=1770
August 20th, 2007 at 6:27 pmLOL, “Foreign Policy Experts”
Remember when guys like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Cheney used to be called “foreign policy experts.”
August 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pm