After Only 10 Hours In Iraq, Sens. Corker And Alexander See ‘Clear Success’
After Only 10 Hours In Iraq, Sens. Corker And Alexander See ‘Clear Success’
Returning from a trip to Iraq, Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Bob Corker (R-TN) “gave an upbeat report on progress in Iraq” to reporters this morning, saying they saw “clear success, province by province“:
Alexander said a strategy devised by Petraeus to work with local leaders and win them over to the U.S. cause has shown “clear success, province by province.”
“They are fed up with random murders of their children” by al-Qaida terrorists, he said.
“There are probably seven provinces where enough progress has been made to involve Iraqis in their own security,” claimed Alexander during the call with reporters.
Unmentioned in press accounts of Alexander and Corker’s trip, however, is the fact that they only spent half a day on the ground in Iraq.
Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH), who organized the trip (which also included Sen. David Vitter), told reporters that only 10-14 hours out of their four-day trip was spent in Iraq. Voinovich’s communications director, Chris Paulitz, confirmed the duration of the delegation’s trip to ThinkProgress.
Despite the superficial, in and out nature of their trip, Corker and Alexander are pronouncing “significant progress” on the ground in Iraq. As former Washington Post Baghdad correspondent Jonathan Finer wrote this weekend, “there is good reason to be skeptical of such snapshot accounts“:
It goes without saying that everyone can, and in this country should, have an opinion about the war, no matter how much time the person has spent in Iraq, if any. But having left a year ago, I’ve stopped pretending to those who ask that I have a keen sense of what it’s like on the ground today. Similarly, those who pass quickly through the war zone should stop ascribing their epiphanies to what are largely ceremonial visits.
While politicians who spend a few hours in the “dog-and-pony show are claiming “significant progress,” soldiers who have been on the ground for 15 months are seeing a very different picture: “mounting civil, political and social unrest.”
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Two weeks.
That’s what you have left of the August “Summer District Work Period” - realistically our last local opportunity to push for impeachment while ‘our Representatives’ are home.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmlol! HORSESHIT! you idiots give OUR “ENEMIES” over there 200,000 weapons!!!! nothing more than a dog and pony show…. who paid for their trips to iraq?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmWhat is this, some kind of contest to see who can spend the shortest amount of time in Baghdad at the Green Zone Quickie Motel and then proclaim their expertise on the “situation on the ground”??????
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:29 pmMy WTF-Incredulometer is whirling like a damn dervish.
These guys should be forced to view the bodies of the children, women and men that got blown up today. For hours and hours.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:29 pmProvince by province? In 10 hours? OK, I’m sold.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmSomeone gave me a photo of Iraq, and it looks fine to me. Leftist whingers.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pm10 hours!?
Shut the f*ck up.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmAre there any pictures of Corker’s daughter making out with another chick on a Baghdad street? Until I see THAT, I won’t believe it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pmYes…..but…how many rugs did they buy?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pmCorker and Alexander are intellectually honest and they are patriots who want to see Iraq succeed; that’s why they honestly report on what they’ve seen and refuse to infect their perception with ideology. The problem with progtards and libs is they are so much against the plausible and realistic scenario of US progress that they slander everyone who reports on positive stuff happening in Iraq. It’s clear that Corker and Alexander are telling the truth about Iraq’s continued progress because their testimonies have been verified by even left-wing screwballs who’ve returned from Iraq. In the past few weeks, leftard Michael O’Hanlon and Sen. Carl Levin both returned from Iraq and had to shamefully admit that progress, militarily, was occurring. The mentally ill progtards argument now is that everyone–even their own libtards like Levin and O’Hanlon–is lying and that there’s no progress in Iraq. Clearly, libs want the US to lose so they spread gloomy propaganda.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pmI guess Senator Vitter and the others were all so well-briefed that they didn’t really need to see anything else. After which they were promptly debriefed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pmThey got wined and dined in the Green Zone and therefore believe Iraq is a paradise. Next time dump their butts in Sadr City to see how long they survive.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pm“‘They are fed up with random murders of their children’ by al-Qaida terrorists, he said.”
Really? I’m amazed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:39 pmThe Lesson unlearned by Bush and all of his imperial oil-nazi running dogs: Stop butting into where you don’t belong: like in all of the other countries of this world. Vietnam for the Vietnamese, Iraq for the Iraqis and Afghanistan for the Afghanis.
Bring home U. S. choppers and our 300K Hessians, mercernaries and military folks from Iraq now, not starting 6 months, 9 months or 87 years from now…
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 pmjames > maybe the Blackwater mercenary thugs should be left behind in Iraq. We do not want them patrolling American cities.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmMy WTF-Incredulometer is whirling like a damn dervish.
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
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Thanks, I needed a smile…
These posers make me f’ing ill. What’s worse is the 28%’ers, and even a lot of semi-sane people, lap this shite up. When will Americans wake up and take off the blinders???
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmSo that’s what snakes in suits look like. Why is it the administration says we’ll wait for the Gen’s report and slam any reference from a democratic congressman but will be touting this slanted drivel.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmComment by Vietnamwillhappenagainiflibshavetheirway — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Gullible sheep.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:44 pm“And when I say ‘probably’, of course I mean ‘perhaps’ or just maybe ‘doubtfully’. And when I say ‘involve Iraqis in their own security’, of course I mean ‘interest Iraqis in their own security’ or just maybe ‘disgust Iraqis with their own security’.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:44 pmVet ~ I’m a hopin, and wishin, that’s Nov 08…
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by Vietnamwillhappenagainiflibshavetheirway — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
I like your name. We left Vietnam. I hope we leave Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:45 pmOooh more baghdad market rugs going on eBay! I can’t wait for my chance at a bargain.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:45 pmDid Alexander buy some cheaps rugs like Graham did? Oh he could not find the merchant, because he has been murdered by insurgents.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:47 pmI like your name. We left Vietnam. I hope we leave Iraq.
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Maybe we can get all the Repugs that go to Iraq to stay there, see what it is really like, and they will have to be OUTSIDE the Greenie Weenie Zone, you know, like the troops are.
NAWWW!!! They are chickenhawks, just like the BushCo A$$Klowns and their “fearless” leader, the Inflatable Codpiece Commander Guy, hiz very own self.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:49 pmWe’ve got f’ing bridges falling down in MN, and the US taxpayer is funding countless trips for Representatives to visit the Green Zone to get a briefing. If they’re not going to even tour the damn country, why can’t they get the same briefing via conference call?
We know the answer - they go there for a photo op and the chance to spout their crap about “progress”.
My head is going to explode soon. How much more of this can we take???
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:51 pmCaption Contest:
Meet Lamar, Lamar enjoys the lift he gets from natural male enhancement.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmComment by Vietnamwillhappenagainiflibshavetheirway — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Damn cut and runner
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmNow we are to believe a 10 hour visit or soldiers report who have been their 15 months. The money these elected officials are getting most be good to come back and out right lie to the American people. I hope the people who vote for these two idiots feel good about their choice and I pray for the families of the soldiers who have died based on these lies.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:54 pmComment by Vietnamwillhappenagainiflibshavetheirway you are one of the most misinformed idiots on the planet….I don’t even have to point out how utterly stupid and insane your post is.
Is this CT_V1, you are just as stupid at the dolt.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:56 pmSounds like both of them Tennesee boys have been hittin’ the ole jug
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmI was in Philadelphia for 10 hours a few months ago. There is no crime there at all. I did not see a single crime committed there the whole time, and no one I spoke to mentioned any crimes that had happened to them or anyone else they knew. I can now safely declare that there has been clear success on the part of the Philadelphia Police and we can soon disband the department entirely. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar who hates Philadelphia cops and wants them to fail.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:58 pmIs Corker the fat guy in the pic? He looks like he ate an Iraqi kid for lunch.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:00 pm#31 - You forgot to mention that you were in the penthouse at the Hilton the whole time, yet are nonetheless an expert in Philadelphia’s security situation…
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:00 pmAnyone who says otherwise is a liar who hates Philadelphia cops and wants them to fail.
Comment by Rufus — August 22, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
And I can tell you from my 10-hour visit to Seattle that it does not rain there.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmAt least not inside my hotel.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmwas in Philadelphia for 10 hours a few months ago. There is no crime there at all. I did not see a single crime committed there the whole time, and no one I spoke to mentioned any crimes that had happened to them or anyone else they knew. I can now safely declare that there has been clear success on the part of the Philadelphia Police and we can soon disband the department entirely. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar who hates Philadelphia cops and wants them to fail.
Comment by Rufus — August 22, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
LOL priceless analogy
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmIsn’t it enough war profiteering is going on???? They have to also play politics with the lives of those in the military???
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:02 pmVery few Troll posts… Could it be that the koolaide is getting sour, and even they see through this crap? Wishfull thinking - they’ll support this regime to the bitter end.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:02 pmAnd I can tell you from my 10-hour visit to Seattle that it does not rain there.
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Denver is just an airport, nothing more.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:03 pmBullshit, absolute bullshit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:03 pmTrolls live under bridges. My beloved 35W is now in the river. Coincidence? Sabotage? Why do Republicans hate bridges?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmSo if the progress is so good, why can’t the Iraqi army, which is 250,000 strong, after 4 years of training, handle simple policing of their own cities?
Why can’t 250,000 well armed well equipped and overly trained (come on 4 years?) men, handle simple policing of their own towns and cities?
If thats what a republican calls a success, then I’d hate to see what they call a failure.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmDenver is just an airport, nothing more.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
HEY!!! Watch it Ms. Z! That’s MY airport you are talking about. I ahve to fly through there every week. (Actually, it only seems as big as Denver)
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:06 pmI mean, these guys grew up with war and guns. They’ve shot guns since they were kids. What do we need to teach them to do at this point? Are they just retarded or something? Can’t they learn how to point and shoot after 4 years?
The republicans sure have a funny idea of what constitutes success.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:08 pmHEY!!! Watch it Ms. Z! That’s MY airport you are talking about. I ahve to fly through there every week. (Actually, it only seems as big as Denver)
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Sorry upside00, but all I saw when I was in Denver was the airport, so that’s all it is.
Ask the Senators….. :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:08 pmYou know, I am more inclined to believe soldiers who have recently come home from a deployment than I am to believe a bunch of Republicans who went there solely to be a cheer leader for Bush & Company. I doubt that very many people are going to believe them any more than they believed McCain and Graham.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:08 pmHey Senators!
Wanna find out what it’s really like in Iraq!?
Fill a soldier’s shoes for a week. I dare you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmIts a huge SUCKCess, thats for sure.
Its not a success but its definately a SUCKcess.
Maybe thats what they meant to say.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmDenver is just an airport, nothing more.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
And a very nice airport, I might add, where a great deal of progress has been made.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:10 pm‘They are fed up with random murders of their children’ by al-Qaida terrorists, he said.â€
So now they are trying to say that al-Qaida are killing Iraqi’s. I thought that al-Qaida were killing Americans. I sincerely doubt that the Iraqi’s would tolerate al-Qaida in their country if they were killing Iraqi’s. The only reason why they tolerate them at all is because they are killing Americans.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:11 pmthey flew over the provinces on their way home.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:12 pmfrom 20,000 ft up everything looked just dandy!
no problemo!
Is it possible the happy talk from the GOP is part of a plan to sneak out of Iraq while declaring “victory”??? If the GOP has embarked on a plan for significant troop withdrawals, does anybody think they would BAIL OUT of Iraq without claiming victory while staring at defeat?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:14 pm“After Only 10 Hours In Iraq, Sens. Corker And Alexander See ‘Clear Success’”
It’s because they successfully made it out alive.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:14 pmOk, these Republican talking points are getting ridiculous. Last week it was “if we leave Iraq there will be Genocide”. No one bought it so this week it’s “if we leave Iraq we will be making the same mistake we made in Vietnam”. Anyone want to bet what it will be next week? I vote for “if we leave Iraq the aliens will take them over”. I like that one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:16 pmActually, Iraqis are killing al-Qaeda. The AQ guys bomb indiscriminately and they’re quick on the trigger with anyone who disagrees with them or gets in their way. Iraqi militias and various groups are hunting them down. It doesn’t help AQ that Iraqis are reportedly the worst xenophobes in the ME, and AQ is mostly from out of town.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:17 pmI vote for “if we leave Iraq the aliens will take them overâ€. I like that one.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 22, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
As we speak, the Bee People are somewhat north, south, east, and west of Tikrit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:18 pmWow…only 10 hrs and they know what is going on in depth. They must be brilliant and savants to boot!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:21 pmThe AQ guys bomb indiscriminately and they’re quick on the trigger with anyone who disagrees with them or gets in their way.
And you know this how?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:21 pmSorry upside00, but all I saw when I was in Denver was the airport, so that’s all it is.
Ask the Senators….. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
I know, Zoo, just pulling your chain a little. BTW, you would have been rolling on the floor last ngiht when we had mr p going in 8 different directions and he accused 4 of us (RoS, Bruce Gorton, and another) of being the same person and was trying to get Faiz on us for using multiple ID’s and not posting links, which made us spammers. He finally gave up and left the keyboard, mumbling to himself. That poor soul is really losing it!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:22 pmSo if the progress is so good, why can’t the Iraqi army, which is 250,000 strong, after 4 years of training, handle simple policing of their own cities?
I am going to guess because the hydrocarbon law isn’t signed yet… you know the law giving Iraq only 20%30% of their oil and Big Oil the rest. I am also going to guess Bush will continue to find new leaders for Iraq until this law is signed. Then it will be WE WON the WAR.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:25 pmHey, I had a layover in Chicago in 1978. Anybody want to hear my take on the windy city?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 pmI just want to know how much they paid for rugs. Has there been much inflation in the price of rugs? This is what is really important. Not oil, cheap rugs.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 pmGrrrrrr, TP stop eating my comments!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:35 pmhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
I wish I had seen it. :)
That kid needs to get out into the world and learn something — things he can’t learn in school.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmGrrrrrr, TP stop eating my comments!!!
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
And stop commenting on my eating!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmThat kid needs to get out into the world and learn something.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
I’ve suggested Iraq to him many times.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmThat kid needs to get out into the world and learn something.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
I’ve suggested Iraq to him many times.
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Eg, you were there last night as well! Koo Ka CHoo, the Eggman, right? We did have him going!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:46 pmHey, I had a layover in Chicago in 1978. Anybody want to hear my take on the windy city?
Comment by Jim Source
Hey, I got laid in Chicago in 1978! Anybody want to hear my tale?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:48 pmI know because I had a layover at the Basra airport and Iraq looks fabulous! But if you have doubts, check it out for yourself. Like here: http://english.aljazeera.net/ NR/ exeres/ A6EC4EAB-854C-4D2F-A922-754648CDED8D.htm
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pmor here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6203073.stm
And stop commenting on my eating!
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
What are you having for dinner? :-)
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmHey, I got laid in Chicago in 1978! Anybody want to hear my tale?
Comment by Raven — August 22, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Yes, please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmThings actually did improve, the Senators left.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmCome on Raven, pony up!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmCome on Raven, pony up!!
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
No ponies!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:04 pmCome on Raven, pony up!!
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
No ponies!
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
How about a Pulaski?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:07 pmHow about a Pulaski?
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
What are you, some kind of pervert? :D
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmWill the last honest politician in Washington, D.C. kindly turn off the lights when they leave?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmThanks.
How about a Pulaski?
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
What are you, some kind of pervert? :D
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Heh! And you with the pony!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmHeh! And you with the pony!
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
That was RUC. :D
**sound of oncoming bus**
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmHeh! And you with the pony!
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
That was RUC. :D
**sound of oncoming bus**
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
My Bad! So RUC is the pony perv…. should’a known!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:18 pmSo two more morons visit Iraq for 10 hours?
Buhahahahaha!
Christ people that are married to each other for years, never find out how nasty their partner is until the divorce papers are filed.
More power point presentations on how well things are going?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:18 pmUnmentioned in press accounts of Alexander and Corker’s trip, however, is the fact that they only spent half a day on the ground in Iraq.
Do you suppose they got off the airplane? Or if they did, do you suppose they even left the Green Zone??
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:19 pmI will bet they landed so they could say they were in Iraq and then were handed their list of talking points.
Ummm. Has anyone seen any convincing evidence that Al Qaida is in Iraq?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmHey! I go away to do some work, and come back to a slander fest!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmSo how was that pony, Raven?
pete ~ the commander in Diyala province said that since they arrived, he can count the number of al Qaeda foreign fighters they’ve encountered on one hand.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:22 pmUmmm. Has anyone seen any convincing evidence that Al Qaida is in Iraq?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Now a troll will want you to prove that al Qaida isn’t in Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmYes, no doubt our brilliant victory is at hand any moment now… Any moment now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:24 pmRU- that’s what I thought. Funny thing about an invisible enemy, you can keep fighting as long as you wish. (NOTE: By “you” I mean “them”.)
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 pmThese guys should be forced to view the bodies of the children, women and men that got blown up today. For hours and hours.
Comment by Nell — August 22, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
i think that is a great idea - instead of waltzing around markets buying rugs and hashish bongs,send them into the hospitals outside of baghdad’s green zone and let’s see if we hear the words ’success’ and ‘progress’
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:17 pmMy WTF-Incredulometer is whirling like a damn dervish.
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
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Thanks, I needed a smile…
These posers make me f’ing ill. What’s worse is the 28%’ers, and even a lot of semi-sane people, lap this shite up. When will Americans wake up and take off the blinders???
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Me too. I love the WTF Incredulometer. Thanks.
Meantime, I have to assume that anybody who hasn’t awakened yet, probably isn’t gonna. I hate to say that, but on the other hand, there are a whole lot more of them awake NOW, than they were 5 years ago.
For whatever that might be worth…
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:19 pmUmmm. Has anyone seen any convincing evidence that Al Qaida is in Iraq?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Now a troll will want you to prove that al Qaida isn’t in Iraq.
Comment by shane — August 22, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
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This is funny. Because…this is exactly what a troll would want you to prove. They always want someone to prove a negative. Prove what isn’t there.
Meantime, answer to the question is NO!! There has been no proof whatsoever that al-Qaeda is in Iraq. Only cheney’s word.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:23 pmWe cant prove that alqaeda isnt in Iraq, because they are in Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pmSo if the progress is so good, why can’t the Iraqi army, which is 250,000 strong, after 4 years of training, handle simple policing of their own cities?
I am going to guess because the hydrocarbon law isn’t signed yet… you know the law giving Iraq only 20%30% of their oil and Big Oil the rest. I am also going to guess Bush will continue to find new leaders for Iraq until this law is signed. Then it will be WE WON the WAR.
Comment by had enough — August 22, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
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And, there you have it. That’s the reason. They still haven’t been able to get the Iraqis to sign their own death warrant, which is exactly what the Hydrocarbon Law is. The only thing that cheney still doesn’t get, is that Maliki couldn’t make them sign it, and neither can anybody else.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pmHow anyone can make a legitimate, or worse yet “informed” assessment of a situation as complex as Iraq in ten hours with jet lag and constipation is beyond me. Both of these guys are nothing more than Bushwipe-idiots who are prostituting themselves and their reputations for a moment of what they believe to be some form of sick glory. Instead, they’re making immediate targets of themselves due to their total lack of self-respect, intelligence, and credibility. Out with the two of them now. They obviously have lost whatever shred of credibility they may have had….next!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:41 pmOf course, in some Orwellian fantasy where everything is the diametric opposite of what the traditional definition has been, then things must be going “swimmingly”. Just ask Coultergeist. She knows all about swimming swimmingly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:42 pmWe cant prove that alqaeda isnt in Iraq, because they are in Iraq.
Comment by Im a libtarded TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Evidence?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmWe cant prove that alqaeda isnt in Iraq, because they are in Iraq.
Comment by Im a libtarded TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Okay this is good. Explain more… please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:49 pmIt’s deja vu all over again; William C. Westmoreland’s famous quote, “there’s light at the end of the tunnel.” And to think, just today our dear leader was comparing Vietnam with Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmWe cant prove that alqaeda isnt in Iraq, because they are in Iraq.
Comment by Im a libtarded TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
I respectfully ask, again, please provide evidence.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmWhy do trolls “cut and run” from respectful questions?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmthis is good press for anyone that wants to recall them or run against. you can demonstrate senility, complicity, idiocy. but when you get them taking it to the teevee, they are proving unfit even to do the job now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmit is extortion folks. what the hell do you think the domestic spying is about? what other reason could allow the most criminal regime in our history to maintain their choke hold on congress and their own soon to be retired tools?
This is, a bit, off topic but; Are George H.W. Bush’s calls to Saudi Arabia being intercepted?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmWhy do trolls “cut and run†from respectful questions?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Because they can’t debate, as they have no facts. And to be honest we don’t hear much of what’s really going on, other than lots of death.
But knowing the history of the Middle East helps, and even though I’ve learned more in the last few years than my previous 35 or so. I can take a guess at what’s happening.
America is stuck in the middle of not just a 2 sided shia, sunni war, but a multi sided war of smaller sects fighting for power. Bullets are flying in all directions, and we’re directing traffic at road side check points, and useless patrols getting caught in the cross fire, as well as intentionally targeted.
Iraq is a total mess, and those who might be able to help, like other middle east nations, we’re not allowing to help, and even threatening Iran because they know their oil will not last forever, so they’re trying to
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 pmbuild nuclear energy, and maybe even nuclear weapons because they know as the oil becomes more valuable, that might be their only protection from any country greedy enough to invade.
Did the visit remind them of Memphis TN?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmHummmph. Wonder if the ‘gentleman from Louisiana’ checked out the local
‘talent’.
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these CONTURD and REPUBLI-SCUM charlatans are getting pretty
desperate.
Unfortunately, P.T. Barnum was right.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 pmAmazing that these GOP Congressional lackeys are just so damn eager to jump on the Iraq propaganda wagon in support of their illustrious President. Are they really that stupid?
It’s ludicrous and shameful to think that they can go to Iraq for 10 hours and get an accurate assessment of things there. Their real intentions are pathetically transparent.
Bozos.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 amhttp://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ meast/ 08/ 22/ iraq.democracy/
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:49 am” But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country’s nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren’t as “lofty” as they once had been. “Democratic institutions are not necessarily the way ahead in the long-term future,” said Brig. Gen. John “Mick” Bednarek, part of Task Force Lightning in Diyala province, one of the war’s major battlegrounds.”
Well, if two fat pedophiles say it’s a success, it’s a success!
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 amThere’s an old addage that if you can’t dazzle them with your brilliance you baffle them with your bull shit. They are good at the latter. I just hope the other 26% of their ilk that enjoys things that go ’round ‘n ’round will pay attention, ’cause the rest of us won’t.
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:44 amI once spent over 10 hours in jail, and I can assure you there is no rape there. I think we can safely say, “it’s not as bad as it’s been made out”. Let’s send some of these Neo’s there for a taste…
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 pmWell Well to all that think us libs are cutting and running should ask Sen Warner who’s just came back and now it calling for some troops to come home by Xmas
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pmThe republicans failure to admit that the Bush surge has failed is costing us American and Iraqi lives everyday. It has also hurt our credibility around the world and our moral authority as a world leader. Spending a few hours in the green zone and making untrue proclamations of success only hurts the GOP. The American people can see the reality. The surge has not worked.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:05 amIn all the fun ‘n games on this thread, we may have missed a really interesting and quite plausible explanation for all the Rethug “happy talk”.
See comment #52 by Corsair.
Add that to “waiting for the oil bill in Iraq to be signed” and “the headlong, hurtling approach of the Rethug Armageddon also known as the 2008 elections“, and I think we might be on to something here.
Waddaya think?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI live in TN,and I can tell you that these two Bushpuppies don’t spend much time here,either.Iraq will recover from Bush’s”legacy”long before we will.God help us…
August 24th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWhy did those Senators spend only 10 hours total in Iraq? Did they go there with the idea to spend only 10 hours, or was the fact that mortars flying into the Green Zone dissuaded them from spending several days, inspecting the Iraqi Army, talking to American soldiers off the record. The American army has now shortened its training time to several (?) months - is 4 years enough for the Iraqi army, probably many of whom spent time in the Iraq army prior to our invasion.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:47 pmLarry
ALL republicans are chicken-hawks or “chicken-shits” , liars and theives. Every damn one of them. Including you republican trolls reading this. Ha-Ha! Yes it is time we tell everyone that if you vote republican you are a lieing theiving chicken-shit a**hole.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:18 pm