Bush’s tragic literary allusion.
By on Aug 22nd, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Bush’s tragic literary allusion.
In his speech today, President Bush cited “Graham Greene’s classic Vietnam novel ‘The Quiet American’ which is essentially a contemplation on the road to hell being paved with good intentions.” The Swamp writes: “By reminding people of Greene’s book, Bush was inviting listeners to recall the mistakes his administration made in entering and prosecuting the Iraq War. Did he really want to do that?”
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I’m guessing he hasn’t read the book. If he had read it, he wouldn’t have mentioned it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:30 pmAgreed Jack.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:34 pmI am beginning to wonder who is advising him these days. First he spends four years resisting comparisons to Vietnam and now he’s making the comparison for the one thing that will come back and bite him. He is basically saying that we didn’t stay in Vietnam long enough while most people in this country know that we stayed many years too long.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:36 pmTwo bad assumptions here:
1. GDumbya read “The Quiet American” and
2. he comprehended what he read.
One or both of those assumptions are faulty.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhile many dispute it and many have other nicknames for Rove, Bush’s brain having now departed seems to be having the exact effect one would presume were it true.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 pmWhy do Chimpy’s handlers keep letting him say this stuff?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmI know he’s not coming up with it on his own – he doesn’t read.
One of Rove’s lies while on his little media tour was to talk about how many books Bush read and how they had a little competition to see who read more. I guess Bush is the only one who believed this lie.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmHe invites mistakes with every word he utters.
Come on – IgetownedbylibseverytimeIpost – let’s get your stupid, uninformed, haven’t got a clue post in here so we can all get a laugh.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmOn important distinction between Iraq and Vietnam is that during the Vietnam era people had the balls to stand up to a corrupt, out of control administration.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 pmroot; you forgot to mention one other small difference between Iraq & Vietnam- THE DRAFT!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:04 pmAs usual–to the point where it’s actively getting boring for me to correct the varmint at Toilet Paper’s hate-site–the cretin who posted this “article” totally blurred its meaning. When Bush cited said novel, he wasn’t inviting listeners to recall all the alleged though unprovable mistakes his administration made in Iraq. Only progtarded defeatists who are damning Iraq before it’s given the time it needs to succeed would misconstrue his message like that. What Bush was really intending to do by citing the book was to educate mentally ill and ignorant progs who refuse to believe in the US soldiers’ ability to militarily subdue Iraq. Bush was educating prog-idiots that if the US leaves Iraq, the slaughter of millions of civilians will happen just like it did in Vietnam. This is what will happen if the US leaves Iraq now, and I dare ANY prog-idiot here to deny this obvious fact without admitting they’re mentally ill.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pmroot, if they were pulling kids out of school to draft them and send them to the middle east against their will, there would be more outrage. But, remember that the media today doesn’t even cover anti-war demonstrations. The bigger difference between now and then is that our media doesn’t have the balls to stand up against an administration. There is no Walter Cronkite.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:07 pmSillystupidtroll: “This is what will happen if the US leaves Iraq now, and I dare ANY prog-idiot here to deny this obvious fact without admitting they’re mentally ill.”
I think someone forgot to take their meds.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:11 pmFTPL; Again, I will quote 5-deferment Dickhead Cheney: “F*CK YOU!’
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:16 pmSillystupidtroll: “This is what will happen if the US leaves Iraq now, and I dare ANY prog-idiot here to deny this obvious fact without admitting they’re mentally ill.â€
I think someone forgot to take their meds.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Right Col. the death and destruction is happening now. the idiot troll makes the mistake of assuming that everyone will just sit there and listen to the dear leader and not think. trolls don’t think.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:18 pm… if the US leaves Iraq, the slaughter of millions of civilians will happen just like it did in Vietnam.
This is what will happen if the US leaves Iraq now, and I dare ANY prog-idiot here to deny this obvious fact without admitting they’re mentally ill.
Comment by Fu$% Toilet Paper Libs — August 22, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
I’m not sure about “millions”, maybe so. I’ll admit there will be more slaughter after we leave, just as there is now.
Now let’s leave.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:20 pm“Only progtarded defeatists who are damning Iraq before it’s given the time it needs to succeed would misconstrue his message like that.
I’mamoronictrollwhocan’tdecideonascreenamebecausemymomgotpregenatwithagoatandIwasborn”
Just for giggles how many friedmans will it take to turn the corner? how many more legs need to be blown off the troops you pretend to care about before you will admit this is not a winnable war?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:23 pmComment by Fu$% Toilet Paper Libs — August 22, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
**really, really big yawn**
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmThis is what will happen if the US leaves Iraq now, and I dare ANY prog-idiot here to deny this obvious fact without admitting they’re mentally ill.
Comment by Fu$% Toilet Paper Libs — August 22, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Man, it must be soooo sweet to live such a fact-free existence, make absolutley no sense at all, and still think ya Da man!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pm#11 SillyStupidTroll: When Bush cited said novel, he wasn’t inviting listeners to recall …
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pmOf course not, you idiot, he doesn’t even know what the book is about.
It was just one of the 135 books Dubya read this year (Rush tol’ me so). So don’t go so hard on him if he doesn’t remember the particulars … or the tenor … or the message … of the book.
Cheers,
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:43 pmOf course not, you idiot, he doesn’t even know what the book is about.
Comment by justme — August 22, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Bush doesn’t read books. He just colors the pictures.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:46 pmI liked this the first time I read it:
Q: What’s the biggest difference between vietnam and iraq?
A: Bush had a plan to get out of vietnam.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmJust like when he said he’s read “some Shakespeares” and Camus’ “The Stranger.” Given the situation, do you really want to boast about reading a book about a white dude who kills an Arab for no reason?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 pmBush has no clue about anything. He is borderline retarded anyways.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 pmCBS NEWS: Bush video from veterans… yeah situation very dramatic… yeah just like Vietnam… no need to discuss the deficit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:59 pmSad thing is the Bushbots will just nod and think what he said is correct….even though its wrong…..habits are hard to break.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmHey, this is the same guy who a couple of years ago had his press flak tell the press that he read Camus’ “The Stranger” over his summer break. “The Stranger”, you know, that’s the existentialist book about the guy who comes across an Arab on the beach in North Africa and kills him for no reason other than to see what it might be like….
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe Sheriff of Mayberry only gave Barney Fife one bullet because he couldn’t trust him to handle a weapon. And the voters of the U.S. gave George W. Fife a whole army?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) sez:
Don’t blame the voters, PLC. There’s overwhelming evidence of massive election fraud in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:15 pmHmm, the left wing had no problems when Lyndon Johnson said the same stuff…..
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 pmDon’t blame the voters, PLC. There’s overwhelming evidence of massive election fraud in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.
Waaaah! Get over it already.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmmm, the left wing had no problems when Lyndon Johnson said the same stuff…..
Comment by m1
Except that he was so harrased by the left wing that he didn’t even run for a seond term. If Johnson had been a republican you stooges would have suported him all the way to hell.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmm12 sez:
And that’s precisely the thoughtful, mature response we’ve come to expect from our resident trolls. Not even an token attempt to refute the assertion…just the blog post equivalent of a raspberry.
Thanks again for illustrating why moronic mouth-breathers like yourself need not be taken seriously, m12. You’re a real time-saver.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 pmTrip,
Unfortunately, here in my red county, the voters were most definitely Bush supporters. Even with fraud, which I am convinced was rampant, there were many Bushies at the time.
Isn’t it just like a 12 year old to not know how the left wing drove Lyndon Johnson away from running for reelection because he “said the same stuff”?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 pmHmm, the left wing had no problems when Lyndon Johnson said the same stuff…..
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
Evidence please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmbobwurst
Apparently, I have to learn to type faster! And 12 year olds need more American history classes.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmThe Brain Has Left The Building ®
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 pmExcept that he was so harrased by the left wing that he didn’t even run for a seond term. If Johnson had been a republican you stooges would have suported him all the way to hell.
He ran in 64, didn’t he? And won handily thanks to your kind….
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmHey, this is the same guy who a couple of years ago had his press flak tell the press that he read Camus’ “The Stranger†over his summer break. “The Strangerâ€, you know, that’s the existentialist book about the guy who comes across an Arab on the beach in North Africa and kills him for no reason other than to see what it might be like….
Comment by albert — August 22, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
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Sounds like good book to me!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Hahaha! Your assertion is a load of FUD that you choose to believe for some reason…perhaps its too painful to believe that Stooge Kerry got his clock cleaned.
Reagan and Bush Sr. must have cheated too, eh? After all, he only won by a few million votes!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pmThe ONLY book that Bush actually read; My Pet Goat.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmExcept that he was so harrased by the left wing that he didn’t even run for a seond term. If Johnson had been a republican you stooges would have suported him all the way to hell.
And if Bush was a Democrat he’d have a 90% approval on this website! Maybe he should change parties.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 pm“Hmm, the left wing had no problems when Lyndon Johnson said the same stuff…..
Comment by m12″
You do understand that LBJ knew he had f**ked up his war and fell on his sword, don’t you? And that the current “president” is oblivious to the need to do likewise?
You seem immune to the irony of a man who has steadfastly rejected anyone’s analogies with vietnam coming out today proclaiming his own–then using it to argue that, essentially, the problem with the US role in vietnam is that we didn’t stay there *long enough*.
Yale should revoke this guy’s history degree; what an embarrassment of an historical argument.
These are the speeches you get when you hire your staff from Pat Robertson’s university.
You should read a bit more history so that you will understand the historical context behind the events you mention in your glib one-line posts.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 pmBush has no interest in the Viet Nam war – the mistakes, the lies, and the end result. He was pandering to the VFW with distortions and his usual nonsensical speech.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmHe really stepped in it this time with his comparisons of Viet Nam after he has spent 5 years telling us this is not the same as VN.
Many of the VNam dead died AFTER the US began lying about the war, the escalation, the insurgency and the Gulf of Tonkin. When the US knew it was in a quagmire, but kept on with it anyway because no one wanted to be the first to say it was a horrible mistake.
He doesn’t know history, he doesn’t care about history, he can only foolishly speak of his version of the facts – which is to say, his own fabrication.
You do understand that LBJ knew he had f**ked up his war and fell on his sword, don’t you? And that the current “president†is oblivious to the need to do likewise?
Where did you make this up?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmHe ran in 64, didn’t he? And won handily thanks to your kind….
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
If Fidel Castro had been JFK’s VP; he would have won in a landslide.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 pm“Where did you make this up?
Comment by m12″
Ha Ha! You do know that LBJ didn’t run for a second term, right? A one-term president? You know, just like 41.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmThe ONLY book that Bush actually read; My Pet Goat.
Comment by Uncle Ho
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Proof, please (that he actually read THAT one all the way through – I think he quit reading and made his own ending in which he ate the goat for supper).
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmm12 sez:
Plenty of evidence to back up my claims, widely available. Funny how you don’t try to actually refute that…I guess it’s easier for a limited intellect like yourself to type “Hahaha!” and misuse terms like FUD.
I didn’t address either of those two. I was addressing 2000 and 2004. I know it’s difficult for your ilk to stay on topic, but at least make an effort…
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmWhere did you make this up?
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
“I shall not seek the nomination for president. And, if nominated I shall not run”
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmLBJ
Where and when did m12 make up his mind to be so arrogantly uninformed?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 pm“I shall not seek the nomination for president. And, if nominated I shall not runâ€
LBJ
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Hmm, I wasn’t aware that Jeb or Cheney was seeking the 2008 nomination…….
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmI believe that LBJ’s words were: “I shall not seek, nor will I accept, my Party’s nomination for president”.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmHa Ha! You do know that LBJ didn’t run for a second term, right? A one-term president? You know, just like 41.
Yeah, and? How do you get from not running for a 2nd term to falling on one’s sword?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmThe ONLY book that Bush actually read; My Pet Goat.
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Sorry, I don’t think he finished that. We ALL know he crapped his pants when one of his handlers told him about America being under attack. He sat there for 7 minutes trying to figure how to cut and run from his national tragedy in his pants. Without the kids and cameras seeing the brown stain back there.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmHow many wars has Bush compared Iraq to, now? WWII, Korea, Vietnam….. How about the Crimea war, or the war of the roses. How about the 100 years war or better still the clone wars from star wars. (they had all those shiny robots and cool stuff)
The Iraq war is the Iraq war. It isn’t like any other way. It is a disaster all its own from the lies that sent us in to the recycling of exhausted and used up men and women who see no end in site.
Iraq is a mess. George Bush’s mess, and more lies will not make the old lies anymore true.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pm“Yeah, and? How do you get from not running for a 2nd term to falling on one’s sword?
Comment by m12″
“I shall not seek, nor will I accept, my Party’s nomination for president.â€
He was unelectable so for the good of his party he bailed on the election.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmPLC: You busted me! No actual proof that he really did read it. He probably only looked at the pictures. :-D
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmBush runs from Vietnam then has nerve to use it as an analogy to support his desperate ridiculous reasoning. Plus he did it in front folks at the VFW. He is really gross. Its one thing to attack the wrong country, but now after five years he can’t get the job done.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmPlenty of evidence to back up my claims, widely available. Funny how you don’t try to actually refute that…I guess it’s easier for a limited intellect like yourself to type “Hahaha!†and misuse terms like FUD.
Sadly for you, that ‘evidence’ has already been refuted over and over again…I know it must be easy to throw a tantrum about the Supreme Court and all, but that term ended 3 years ago..
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmHe was unelectable so for the good of his party he bailed on the election.
Comment by mongo — August 22, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Guess Cheney is equally patriotic by your standard, then.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 pmGuess Cheney is equally patriotic by your standard, then.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
If you count his patriotism to Haliburton, Exxon, BP, Texaco, Conoco.. why yes.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmGuess Cheney is equally patriotic by your standard, then.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Party loyalty is not, necessarily, the same as patriotism. In fact, it can be the opposite.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pm“Guess Cheney is equally patriotic by your standard, then.
Comment by m12″
Patriotism has nothing to do with this. LBJ did not run because he feared the damage that would be done to his party because of vietnam and his role in escalating it. He exited public life thinking that was the best course.
Cheney has used his role as vp to gather to himself and exert more power than the president; he’s no patriot, he simply found the perfect role with the perfect stooge where he can pull all the strings he wants.
By staying on as vp, cheney has done more damage to the republic party than almost anyone outside of gw himself. For that I thank him.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 pmPerhaps the Cliff’s Notes version of ‘The Quiet American’ was beyond W’s comprehension.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmThe speech in which Johnson announced that he would not run was first and foremost about the Vietnam War and the parallels with the occupation of Iraq are astounding. You can find it here:
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/680331.asp
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 pmm12 sez:
While I understand that infantile insults and baseless claims constitute “debunking” in you pointed little head, I’m afraid that the “fact based community” requires something a little more substantial.
I know it must be easy to characterize anyone who calls attention to the facts as “throwing a tantrum”…and we really don’t expect any better of you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmErr, The Quiet American featured a character who was a CIA asset who was in Vietnam to help organise terror attacks to inflame tensions.
What exactly is Bush trying to tell us with this reference?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmWhile I understand that infantile insults and baseless claims constitute “debunking†in you pointed little head, I’m afraid that the “fact based community†requires something a little more substantial.
What fact based community? Even Kerry conceded the next day!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmhttp://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29078820070821
Leaflets said to warn of Iran move into north Iraq
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) – Kurdish authorities in northeastern Iraq said on Tuesday they were investigating the authenticity of leaflets warning villagers to evacuate ahead of an Iranian military offensive against Kurdish rebels.
Hundreds of villagers have fled their homes in Iraq’s mountainous northeast while others hid in caves after what local authorities said was days of intermittent shelling by Iran across the border.
Looks like they are trying to harm our troops…..
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmLooks like they are trying to harm our troops…..
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
They’ll never have as much success harming our troops as Bush and you do.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 amWe should stay in Iraq long enough for Bush and Cheney to fulfill the obligation to serve on the frontlines that they avoided in Vietnam. That way they won’t be dodgers anymore.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 amOf course impeach them now so we can get the other troops out of there. They can even be the only remaining forces.
#56 foolme1ns:
How many wars has Bush compared Iraq to, now? WWII, Korea, Vietnam….. How about the Crimea war, or the war of the roses. How about the 100 years war or better still….
… The Children’s Crusade? (more here)
Cheers,
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 amWhat “good intentions” was Bush’s road to Baghdad paved with? What good intention is served by warning the American people of pending mushroom clouds as he did in Cincinnati in October 2002. Or any of the other lies, for that matter. Bush stands good intentions on their head.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 am#67, what this tells us is that bushslut’s speechwriter only had time for the Cliff Notes, not the novel. More significantly: the “quiet American” character is an agent of FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS.
Now THAT is one helluva Freudian slip in bushslut’s mouth, dontcha think? I’d say THAT slip deserves follow-up, 24/7. HAMMER HIM with it. FALSE FLAG operations in Vietnam, in Iraq…in USA thanks to cheneybushsluts and their compliant CIA and other “Dark Forces, if you will…”
Then again, any psychologist knows about how a sociopath tends to reveal his agenda and to “warn” his victims in one way or another…the sub-conscious has a way of bursting through the bonds of consciousness sooner or later, the task of keeping it burried and under control is just too demanding.
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 amBTW, has anyone considered the possibility that the Graham Greene quote, not to mention the entirely absurd, self-destructive “logic” of this “new” position, was “planted” by a mole close to cheneybushsluts? Perhaps it has been decided that the emperor must FINALLY be exposed for the naked moron he is?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 am“naked, moronic serial-killer,” that is.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 amBush’s speechwriter seems not to have read Graham Greene either. In Greene’s autobiography, “Ways of Escapeâ€, in chapter 7 he humorously describes how he was deported from Puerto Rico in 1954 because under the McCarran he had been labeled a “prohibited immigrantâ€.
In chapter 8 he writes about Cuba under Batista, including this, “There was to be no ‘Bay of Pigs’ under Batista’s reign of terror. In the eyes of the U.S. Government terror was not terror unless it came from the left.â€
Let Bush put that in his next speech.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 amhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.democracy/
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:48 am” But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country’s nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren’t as “lofty” as they once had been. “Democratic institutions are not necessarily the way ahead in the long-term future,” said Brig. Gen. John “Mick” Bednarek, part of Task Force Lightning in Diyala province, one of the war’s major battlegrounds.”
On important distinction between Iraq and Vietnam is that during the Vietnam era people had the balls to stand up to a corrupt, out of control administration.
Comment by root — August 22, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Are you kidding? We’re censuring the CRAP out of these people!
P.S. Mak fyadhaus
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 amthe young turks made a great joke about how important rove was to Bush.
Bush’s brain has left the building.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 amthe 28%ers don’t know the difference, and never will, because they don’t read real literature. Dubbie himself probably didn’t get the real message of the novel, and neither did the stooge who recommended he mention it – it’s merely pr smoke to make it appear the dubbie actually thinks/reads/gives a rat’s ass
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:32 pmBush has clearly not understood why we lost the Vietnam war. He is repeating the same mistakes in Iraq. It is impossible to fight a guerrilla or civil war no matter how many troops you send in. If he or Cheney had bothered to serve in combat they would not repeat these mistakes.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:53 amProbus, repeating the SAME “mistakes” is precisely what the cheneybushsluts intended to do (and did do) from day one. They are all about creating and fuelling a nice little 10-year war for the financial windfall it has been….CarlyleGroup, Halliburton, MIC, etc. These folks don’t make “mistakes,” they create horror for their own benefit. period.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:28 amThis is doubly humorous. Bush shows himself to be a dunderhead by inadvertently comparing him actions to those of a dunderhead.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:21 am