Post-War Bush Forgets Pre-War Bush’s ‘Lessons Of Vietnam’
Post-War Bush Forgets Pre-War Bush’s ‘Lessons Of Vietnam’
Prior the Iraq war, George W. Bush claimed that he had learned some powerful lessons from the Vietnam war. Among those lessons were the fact that U.S. must be “slow to engage troops.” “We can never again ask the military to fight a political war,” Bush said, adding that “the cause must be just”:
A generation shaped by Vietnam must remember the lessons of Vietnam: When America uses force in the world, the cause must be just, the goal must be clear and the victory must be overwhelming. [Bush address to RNC convention, 8/4/00]
The Republican presidential front-runner also says he learned “the lesson of Vietnam.” “Our nation should be slow to engage troops. But when we do so, we must do so with ferocity. We must not go into a conflict unless we go in committed to win. We can never again ask the military to fight a political war,” Bush wrote. [AP, 11/15/99, reporting on Bush's biography A Charge To Keep]
Forgetting entirely the lessons that he claimed to have learned from a war in which he did not serve, Bush invaded Iraq in March 2003 hastily, without just cause, and lacking a clear goal. For years, he maintained Iraq and Vietnam had no similarities. In April 2004, he said:
QUESTION: How do you answer the Vietnam comparison?
BUSH: I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy.
Today, in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Bush accepted the fact that Vietnam does have lessons for Iraq. But the lesson, according to Bush, is that it is a mistake to pull out of a quagmire. “[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,” Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal” is steep and painful. Watch it:
Bush’s lessons learned from Vietnam have shifted as frequently as his justifications for staying in Iraq. With the present and the future course of Iraq on a disastrous course, Bush’s only alternative is to change history.
UPDATE: The Democratic Caucus has more information on Bush’s stance against Vietnam before he was for it. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s statement is here.
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Clinton did it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmBush’s only alternative is to change history.
Let’s start by changing out Bush.
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August 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmThat’s a telling on-screen caption. Dangerous and determined sounds familiar.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmLets get to the heart of the matter: dems wanted the Vietnam comparisons all to themselves, THEY get to set the agenda and the comparisons, not Bush.
Why are the leftonian lefturds so pissed off about this, its not as if Hillbilly Clinton or a host of other demorats havent changed their views on the war.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmClinton the horndog has a legacy of lies. Rewrite history please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 pmWhy does this AWOL A$$Klown smear my name and the name of every Vietnam veteran with his CHickenhawk BS?
It sounds like he lost his Turd Blossom brain already! This about the stupidest thing he has said …… and he has said a LOT of studid things in the past 6 1/2 years!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 pm“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,†Bush said, is that the price of America’s withdrawal†is steep and painful.
Yes that is correct Mr. Bush. It will be steep and painful. So was the invasion. So was the occupation. And all were unneccesary
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:36 pmIf the President’s misuse of the lessons of Vietnam sounds familiar, it should. After all, just last week 2008 Republican White House frontrunner Rudy Giuliani said virtually the same thing.
“America must remember one of the lessons of the Vietnam War. Then, as now, we fought a war with the wrong strategy for several years. And then, as now, we corrected course and began to show real progress. Many historians today believe that by about 1972 we and our South Vietnamese partners had succeeded in defeating the Vietcong insurgency and in setting South Vietnam on a path to political self-sufficiency. But America then withdrew its support, allowing the communist North to conquer the South…The consequences of abandoning Iraq would be worse.”
For the details, see:
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pm“Bush, Giuliani and Iraq as Vietnam.”
You know how I know Bush is lying?? HIS LIPS ARE MOVING!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmWWWWHHHHYYYYY does anyone still listen to the words coming out of his mouth?? He is SUCH a liar! He just says whatever works for any given moment that has absolutely NO cinnection to the truth. I can’t WAIT for him to be gone!!!!!!!
Ah the neocons, so close to their goals-
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmAn Iraqi gov’t friendly to American oil interests, who will use their oil revenues to buy American arms and weapons, friendly to the Jews!
And… if all goes well they will soon have an army capable of attacking Iran.
Why does this guy even bother showing up anymore?Or ever.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmSomeone could just scribble some words on a board and hold it up.
Any words.Doesn’t even matter.
The only lesson learned by Bush from the Vietnam era was how to roll $100 bills into those little straws.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmThe man is an idiot.
Pelosi/Reid are you with the libs? Is it too late to start impeachment against BushCo?
Impeach!
Impeach!
Impeach!
Why and how did the A r c h i t e c t get let off the hook?
No indictments?
HeyooOOOoooooooOooooooooooOOOO!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmIf only they swing around American public opinion. But they are good at that. The military surge in Iraq is being accompanied by a massive propoganda surge in the heartland.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 pmI mean, if we win, than the war is all OK.
God Bless America.
Militarism – war, force and aggression – has been part of the American foreign policy for decades – Bush has simply escalated this horrible policy.
Our policy consists of a military empire like never before seen in the world – military presence in over 120 countries, foreign “aid” to prop up dictators, assassinations, coups, and wars that have killed millions and millions.
Does that make us “safe”? absolutely not. We’re involved in the biggest money transfer in history as well – the transfer of the wealth of the American people to those that make up and support this military empire – the merchants of death.
So, while making the world angry at us and ensuring that people will want to kill americans, we’re also running ourselves bankrupt.
The time for this madness to end is now!
That’s my rant on the subject…read on if you’d like:
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 pm“A Foreign Policy for America”
http://www.populistamerica.com/a_foreign_policy_for_america
“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,” Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal” is steep and painful.
Yes, this is a Vietnam analogy but it is not false, doesn’t send the wrong message to our troops, and/or to the enemy when Bush says it.
Just like it’s not an illegal war of aggression when Bush orders it.
Why? Well, if you must know: Because it is ok if you are Republican!
/sarcasm off
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 pm“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,†Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal†is steep and painful. – -
Huh?
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 pmThe Domino Theory of Communist takeover of Southeast Asia never happened and today Vietnam has a strong economy and is a vibrant trading partner with the US. Steep and painful? WTF?
I’ve noticed that when the Trolls have no way to argue a point, they resort to irrelevant twaddle.
It is impossible to argue the point that both Bush and Cheney are guilty of changing their views to suit the times. Most politicians are guilty of this. The difference with Bush and Cheney is that by not listening to what they themselves said, the result has been thousands of American military deaths, the worldwide dissolution of credibility for the United States and the creation of an incubator for terrorism.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 pmSee how sly the dems are getting with their war rhetoric; slowly they change their tune, inserting a bit of support here and there.
Hedge your bets while trying to keep the libtard base happy, good luck dems, you will still be the recipients of some killer campaign ads next year that your hysterical base cant save you from.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 pmComment by I’m a TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
I see the trolls are arriving fresh off the short bus.
Let me guess….you completed none of your reading assignments last night.
Figures.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pmRaynman – Actually, trolls have lots of fodder to counter the half-truths of this thread. But Faiz’ censor button seems a bit touchy today…
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmMake Junior a ‘boat person’, put Pelosi on the back as the prop.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pm“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,†Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal†is steep and painful. – -
The price will be steep for the republican party that is for sure.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:45 pmHeyooOOOoooooooOooooooooooOOOO!
Comment by I’m a TP moonbat
Congratulations.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:45 pmYour idiocy breaks new boundaries in STUPID on a daily basis.
Good job discrediting the notion that 28%ers have any capacity of coherent thought whatsoever.
The man is an idiot.
Comment by Wayne — August 22, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Whoa… Wayne, pretty harsh judgement on the Deciderer-In-Chief.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmThe Domino Theory of Communist takeover of Southeast Asia never happened and today Vietnam has a strong economy and is a vibrant trading partner with the US.
Sure, and all it took was a few million dead Cambos, Laotians and Vietnamese for the region to become the paradise it is today.
How are Laos and Cambodia doing these days? I hear its like Hawaii, or maybe the French Riviera.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmI’ve noticed that when the Trolls have no way to argue a point, they resort to irrelevant twaddle. – - They reach that point long before then.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmI thought all Bush learned about the Vietnam War was that you need to chop your nose candy up into really fine powder before ingesting…
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmU.S. Troops Stealing Iraqi Babies Out of Trash Piles!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmhttp://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2007/08/us-troops-steal.html
CAPTION:
“Isn’t it amazing the sh¡t that comes out of my slit of a mouth?”
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August 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 pm“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,†Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal†is steep and painful. – -
Now that Rove is leaving for his “It’s Not My Fault” tour, who is going to slip these priceless spin gems into Bush’s speeches?
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmClinton did it! Clinton did it!
Your hijacked reign, trolls, is coming to an end.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmBush couldn’t learn a lesson if he was force fed the answers. This man is not our leader. He isn’t a decider. He hasn’t been forceful. If it were to be true we would have led 150,000 troops in Afghanistan before Iraq started. He would have decided that in order to attack the greatest threat to us he would have initiated a draft and he would have shown true leadership in forcing Pakistan to hand over all AQ and Taliban.
None of that has happened because he doesn’t learn lessons. He uses slogans.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmWhoa… Wayne, pretty harsh judgement on the Deciderer-In-Chief.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
True, I should balance that statement somewhat.
The man is an idiot, and a habitual liar.
better? =)
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmI know one thing, John Kerry has no problem with Vietnam.
What was it he said, “There were re-education camps but on the other hand some of those camp inmates have become thriving members of Vietnamese society”.
And Kerry was your POTUS nominee? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA….the DFL has certainly fallen on hard times.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmComment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
It looks as if the troops are no better than our monkey-in-chief.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:53 pmThe man sat there for over 7 minutes before being told what to do.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:53 pmComment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
You should stop posting. You offer nothing to this adult discussion.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmand he would have shown true leadership in forcing Pakistan to hand over all AQ and Taliban.
Dont worry man, if youre lucky Obama will win in 2008 and soon after America will invade Pakistan to take care of the problem.
I almost want that to happen, just to hear you fools trying to spin it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmThe man sat there for over 7 minutes before being told what to do. – – And then gave a previously scheduled, prepared speech. Good grief.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmWhat was that Bush said about Vietnam? Oh yeah, Daddy says I don’t have to go. Pass the bong.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmHere’s the missing ingredient: Iraq was not a Vietnam, now it IS a Vietnam. You didn’t decide to enter a Vietnam-like situation, you decided to take the actions that would create a Vietnam-like situation.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmYou should stop posting. You offer nothing to this adult discussion.
Just your useless opinion and if I desired to know your opinion, I would split your deformed skull and pry it out.
Now crawl back under your sink.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmWhat was that Bush said about Vietnam? Oh yeah, Daddy says I don’t have to go. Pass the bong.
Nah, he and Clinton were hangin’ out and chasing the chicks. And to think that Hillary was the best that Bill could do.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmOkay, just a quick passerby here, but could someone attempt to explain this quote to me, as I’m at a complete loss:
“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,†Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal†is steep and painful.
What was steep and painful about the price of America’s withdrawal?
Does he mean that the war profiteers took a hit?
And what the FCK is the unmistakable legacy?
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmI need coherent definitions, you dimwit (Gawd, how could someone even justify voting for this idjit?)
My apologies if he does define his remarks, as I can’t access the video
Just your useless opinion and if I desired to know your opinion, I would split your deformed skull and pry it out.
Now crawl back under your sink.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
Actually, if we wanted to know your opinion, we wouldn’t flush.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmI would split your deformed skull and pry it out.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmNow crawl back under your sink.
Comment by Pretty Ugly Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
This poor dolt hasn’t a clue. We had no business taking up the colonial flag from France in VietNam.
We had no business invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
We were/are caught in a quagmire in both ill advised wars/occupations.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmI must say, this is being well-played by Bush.
Instead of debating how we should get out of Iraq, the old debate about Vietnam is raging full force. The old passions and perceived betrayals are once again front and center. Its Dirty Hippies vs The Silent Majority all over.
Forget the Chimpster’s inane prattle and stay focused on getting Congress to votes with the today’s majority. Get Congress to demand an end to our occupation of Iraq.
Don’t let the WH distract. Its all they have left.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmWhen I read that Sick Bird’s comments, I get a picture of a buzzard with rotten, maggot infested carrion dripping from it’s beak.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Crazy, violent Republican troll alert.
Description: White, male, and rich off his mother. Tends to sling flaming donuts at neighbors.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmActually, if we wanted to know your opinion, we wouldn’t flush.
Thankyou for clarifying. Hear that AT? If we wanted to know your opinion, we wouldn’t flush.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmIraq is Iraq. It’s eclipsed any and all military/politcal blunders that have happened. To debate this has the same relative importance as a Ali / Rocky M. debate.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmRingo the Gringo, are you serious? You posted that link, and for what? WTF MAN?????
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmPretty Bird – you’re an idiot. Go fly away and drop your crap on someone else’s car, you light weight.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmHere’s what Bush learned from VietNam
Have your well connected Daddy get you diverted from the draft into a cozy NG/ER unit.
Fail to keep your committments regarding that duty.
Fail to take your flight physicals, as they’d clearly show your drugging/drinking issues.
Abandon your duty to help out with politiking in Alabama.
Have your daddy’s friends clean up after you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmNothing else learned here.
“[O]ne unmistakable legacy of Vietnam,” Bush said, is that “the price of America’s withdrawal” is steep and painful.
Yes, this is a Vietnam analogy alright but it is not false, doesn’t send the wrong message to our troops, and/or to the enemy when Bush says it.
Just like it’s not an illegal war of aggression when Bush orders it.
Why? Well, if you must know: Because it is ok if you are Republican!
/sarcasm off
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmtest
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmHow are Laos and Cambodia doing these days? I hear its like Hawaii, or maybe the French Riviera.
Comment by Lucky Striker
Then it is obvious that the US should been there forever no matter what the population of those countries wanted.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 pmThankyou for clarifying. Hear that AT? If we wanted to know your opinion, we wouldn’t flush.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
Yoda: “The STUPID is strong with this one, it is, uh-huh.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 pmComment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
I’m sure Wayne would refer to me before he would a Constitution-rapist, the likes of Purty Purty Turd.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 pmIraq is Iraq. It’s eclipsed any and all military/politcal blunders that have happened. To debate this has the same relative importance as a Ali / Rocky M. debate.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 22, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Good point. Unlike Saddam, Ho Chi Minh was never a CIA operative.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 pm#48…I had pretty pretty bird pegged as the latest incarnation of MA/VV. Perhaps you’re correct.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 pmCrazy, violent Republican troll alert.
Description: White, male, and rich off his mother. Tends to sling flaming donuts at neighbors.
Who said I was a republican?
Anyhoooo, I would NEVER fling a perfectly good donut at anyone, that powdered sugar might put someone’s eye out.
I prefer bottle rockets.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 pmYou can always tell when Georgie has really laid a stinker because the RNC has to send out the trolls in force. Even THEY know that GWB cut a foul smelly bomb.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:13 pm“…We can never again ask the military to fight a political war,†Bush wrote. …”
Iraq is the definition of a political war. Bush used his political machine and the right wing echo chamber in the media to push the lies and deception to get us into the Iraq war and engaged in the politics of personal destruction for anyone who dared oppose the war. Everything Bush does, in fact, is for ulterior political motives. At all times, Bush has been a mere politician and never a statesman. The fetid Chimp wanted to be a so-called War President so that he would have a better chance of winning the Presidency in 2004 and was willing to make any sacrifice in terms of capital and lives (at least, he was willing to sacrifice the money and lives of others, as this bunch of societal parasites has never made a single sacrifice about anything in their entire lives).
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pmhe would have initiated a draft and he would have shown true leadership in forcing Pakistan to hand over all AQ and Taliban.
None of that has happened because he doesn’t learn lessons. He uses slogans.
Comment by hellinahackberrybush — August 22, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Why are you libs always advocating for a draft, then warning that the mean old repugs are going to draft all the poor kids?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pmI wonder if Loas and Cambodia, would have had the problems they did, if it hadn’t been for US intervention and bombing raids into both countries?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:15 pmDont worry man, if youre lucky Obama will win in 2008 and soon after America will invade Pakistan to take care of the problem.
I almost want that to happen, just to hear you fools trying to spin it.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Obama is not going to invade Pakistan, so it’s a non-issue, no matter how much you morons try to make it one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:15 pmHow to stop a bird from pooping on your car:
http://www.transbuddha.com/davion/media/html/finalbird.html
Very useful. Now if only we could do this with trolls…
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:17 pmSo seven years ago Bush called the Vietnam war a “political” war.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmNow today he is saying we should have stayed in Vietnam (as long as his ass wasn’t in harm’s way).
So in chronolagical order:
Bush was for the Vietnam War (late 1960s) before he was against it (early 1970s).
Then…
Bush was against the Vietnam war (in 2000) before he was for it (in 2007).
Chimpf*ck.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmHe was against the Vietnam analogy before he was for it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 pm#64…as I recall, the communist Vietnamese had to invade Cambodia because the Khmer Rouge even freaked them out. So much for the domino theory.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:19 pmRagingGurl ~ Sounds good.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmPerhaps a javascriptlet that identifies the troll and makes the screen font the same color as the background…
Can anybody name a Country in the world where the people are happy with that Goverment ?????? and the Goverment actually care for the people
Just wondering because is there such a thing ?????
or is every country being shagged by its goverment ????
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmI wonder if Loas and Cambodia, would have had the problems they did, if it hadn’t been for US intervention and bombing raids into both countries?
Comment by Krazny
Haiti and Nicaragua are the poorest countries in Latin America.
Haiti and Nicaragua are the countries that have suffered most of US military interventions in Latin America.
Anyone see a connection?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:21 pmWhy are you libs always advocating for a draft, then warning that the mean old repugs are going to draft all the poor kids?
Comment by r — August 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
That’s what they’re doing now – it’s just not called a “draft.” First they underfund schools in poor areas, allow the poor areas to be decimated by crime and economic stagnation, then they recruit like crazy and scoop up the poor kids who have no other options. They even lower the education and felony conviction standards so more of these kids can join the military.
We advocate a draft just so it will even the playing field a bit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:22 pmRingo the Gringo, are you serious? You posted that link, and for what? WTF MAN?????
Comment by craig mack
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Comic relief.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:22 pmWe advocate a draft just so it will even the playing field a bit.
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Now that would scare r out of his Cheeto-stgained undies, for sure!
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:23 pmGeorgie can’t “forget” anything, because his brain never had the capacity to know it from the beginning.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:23 pmBush is incapable of learning.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:24 pmBush’s theme plays well to an awful lot of people out in the countryside. They may oppose him for the way he has conducted the war, but still want us to win in Iraq, whatever that means.
As a retired Army officer and Vietnam vet, I can tell you that a lot of my contemporaries, who do not understand the limitations of military force, continue to blame politicians and anti-war protesters for our losing in Vietnam.
Although I have opposed the Iraq war since before it started, and believe that we should only go to war if there is no other choice, I share some of their feelings. I hate having to acknowledge that we lost in Vietnam, knowing that I and my comrades did our best and that we lost 58,000 men, including some friends for nothing,
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmSo Dubya is finally admitting there are some parallels between his war in Iraq and LBJ’s war in Vietnam? Well, OK — the only parallel he has copped to so far is that the price of withdrawal will be steep and painful.
Well, guess what — the price of staying is just as steep and painful, if not more so (just as it was in Vietnam).
Bush is missing a few other things. Both wars were started/escalated based on lies. Both conflicts caused the United States to lose respect by the rest of the world. Both conflicts were kept going by scary propaganda spewed from those in charge.
Differences? Well, for starters, we lost over 58,000 American lives in Vietnam. In Iraq, we have “only” lost over 3,700. So far.
And one last lesson of Vietnam to keep in mind. We were told that if we lost in Vietnam, the domino theory would be realized. Country after country would topple to communism until it swept America. Sound familiar? Perhaps it’s because it sounds a lot like “we’re fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here”. As everybody knows, North Vietnam swept South Vietnam and reunited the country under communism. But the doomsday prophecies never happened.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmIt didn’t work. And the chicken little website it was connected to was a bit whack, to say the least!
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmDespite all evidents, President Bush and his administration are still arrogant and blinded by the Iraq War. The people of this country are fed up with Bush’s senseless war and the lack of domestic policies. There are much more important issues in this world that the US should be taking part in, such as global poverty. According to the Borgen Project, whose goal is to fight global poverty, US are one of the nations pledged in the Millennium Development Project. MDP is aimed at eliminating world poverty in half by the year 2015. However, this country has done anything but reducing poverty. The war on “terror†has created more poverty, more hunger and more violence within Iraq and the United States. It is time for this country’s president to rethink the direction where this great nation is going. Put aside the political gain and stop the Iraq war and stop global poverty now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmLefties advocate the draft because they hope it will bolster anti-war (anti-draft) sentiment. They want the draft so that they can protest against the draft.
It’s the height of cynicism.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 pmIf Bush’s ‘threw the looking glass’ logic is correct I should be returning to Vietnam for my 35th tour to keep the North Vietnamese, the Viet Cong and the Red Chinese from following me home.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmThanks for your service Vet. I hope Americans can convey to all soldiers that they are not starters of the conflict but the force used. They didn’t decide the validity of the conflict, only on their ability to execute the orders.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm“Lefties advocate the draft because they hope it will bolster anti-war (anti-draft) sentiment. They want the draft so that they can protest against the draft.”
Pretty tight little circle you’ve wound yourself into,
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 pmRingo…
LOL
I hate having to acknowledge that we lost in Vietnam, knowing that I and my comrades did our best and that we lost 58,000 men, including some friends for nothing,
Comment by Vet — August 22, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
While I can understand the sentiment, isn’t it better than knowing that we lost 100,000 men for nothing? 200,000 men? At a certain point, we have to recognize that there is nothing more a military force can do when the fundamental problems in the war zone are political.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmmissmolly,
The 3,700, as bad as it is is misleading. A great percentage of the injured would have been KIA in Vietnam with the same injuries. Because of the urban nature of Bush’s War, so many soldiers are “saved”. They may have no arms or legs, or only half a brain, but I am sure Bush is grateful for their sacrifice to his ego.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmThe Mpls. PBS station replayed the Bill Moyers’ “Buying the War” program last night, so I watched the last half again. Every time I see the chicken hawks Dick Perle and Bill Kristol I seriously want to kick their f’ing teeth in! ARHG!!!
How the 28%’ers still buy their crap is amazing. What’s even more amazing is that the “liberal press” still gives these losers air time!
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmcraig mack,
I find the BlameBush site to be a hoot.
It’s a parody of all the thousands of deranged, Left-wing, anti-Bush blogs out there……ThinkProgress being just one example.
http://blamebush.typepad.com/
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 pmRingo the Gringo, you couldn’t be more wrong. I see the the rhetoric being spouted by this president and wonder how this will be done right. It’s so easy to speak tough but these guys don’t know how to back it up.
If this fight is truly the end all then the whole country should be behind it. That means a draft.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 pm“r”…America’s concern troll.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 pmThe IndoChinese wars were our previous worst-case blowback disaster. After WW2, we wanted to return things to the old pre-war paradigm. In backing the return of these countries to their “colonial” masters after liberating them from the Japanese, we set the stage for everything to come. And we turned on the “revolutionaries” who were our allies in WW2 under the misguided notion that all leftists/communists were exactly the same as the Soviets, to our eventual dismay. The whole OBL/GWOT Frankenstein threatens to unseat this folly from its ‘US history’s worst’ position.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 pmQuestions regarding the cherry-picking by TP have been cens*red by hypersensitive closed-minded Progs. Why am I not surprised?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 pm#86 was my post. I’ve been using the name Vet for a long time, but I’ll change to VetMN out of respect for the new Vet, who served in Vietnam. My service in the first gulf war doesn’t compare.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 pmBush thinks the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 pm.
Hey fun project:
pkarchive.org has a list of all krugman articles over two years old. Dig into the archive and read the near prescient predictions of this lowly econocolumnist. (spooky)
For extra credit, find a conservative columnist who made all these zany Iraq predictions and see how absolutely laughable they are 5 years later.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 pmPretty tight little circle you’ve wound yourself into,
Ringo…
LOL
Comment by Raven
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It’s true. Without the draft, the Lefty dream of reliving the sixties is incomplete.
How can you burn your draft card and flip the finger at the man without a draft card to burn?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmAnd now my #86 post disappered… WTF, TP???
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmSo far, aWol is responsible for the deaths of less than 4,000 troops. If he makes us stay in Iraq as long as we stayed in Viet Nam, he can shoot for better than 50,000.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmWouldn’t it have been an interesting comparison to note how wrong Repub and Dem isolationists were regarding post-WWII Japan, South Korea, and the devastating destruction of innocents after our “re-deployment” from Viet Nam? “Re-education camps” and Killing Fields, anyone??
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmLefties advocate the draft because they hope it will bolster anti-war (anti-draft) sentiment. They want the draft so that they can protest against the draft.
It’s the height of cynicism.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
Nah — I don’t want the draft to protest against. There are already lots of things going on in this country worth protesting against, and my plate is full.
Bolstering anti-war sentiment is another matter. I want the deciders to make their “shall we start a war?” decisions knowing it could be their children and grandchildren fighting and dying for the cause.
Oh, and “anti-war” and “anti-draft” are not the same thing. Most people who are in favor of the war are NOT in favor of reinstating the draft. There are plenty of people around who are fervently pro-war as long as there’s no danger of them having to go and actually fight it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmBush’s favorite lesson he learned from Vietnam: Avoid serving so that others do the fighting and dying.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmHow can you achieve the military adventures Bush touts without a draft?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 pmIt’s true. Without the draft, the Lefty dream of reliving the sixties is incomplete.
How can you burn your draft card and flip the finger at the man without a draft card to burn?
Comment by Ringo
There, you’ve wound yourself into a naked singularity!
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 pmLOL
Without the draft, the Lefty dream of reliving the sixties is incomplete.
We don’t need to relive the 60’s. We won.
Conservatives try to whine their way back into arguments they lost in the 60’s. Like Vietnam right now.
Too bad. You blew it, you’re over. It’s time for alternatives to conservative losers.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:38 pm.
HeyooOOOoooooooOooooooooooOOOO!
Comment by I’m a TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Hey there, Mr. “Saudis aren’t muslim” P.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:39 pmIf this fight is truly the end all then the whole country should be behind it. That means a draft.
Comment by hellinabucket
Be behind the war or get arrested as a draft dodger? That’s the answer?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmThis may be just like Vietnam.
It’s a parody of all the thousands of deranged, Left-wing, anti-Bush blogs out there……ThinkProgress being just one example.
http://blamebush.typepad.com/
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 pm————————————–
I bet you like Drudge, Fox, etc. – all great PARODIES of news sources.
Dip Shit George is D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L.
Seriously, this guy should be undergoing treatment.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmWe all know one thing about George Bush when it comes to Vietnam. He didn’t go and he has no idea what Vietnam was about.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmI am a liberal and I do not support the draft.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe conservatives started this war, fu(ked it up, and ran Iraq in to the ground. The military can finish this war with the resources they have (or better yet they can get the fu(k out of Iraq).
There, you’ve wound yourself into a naked singularity!
LOL
Comment by Raven
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It’s not true, I’m wearing socks.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:46 pmWhen bush was AWOL and in a different state of mind he undoubtly learned zip from the nation’s Vietnam experience.
Most everything that spews from his mouth is limited or based on lies because he knows of nothing of which he speaks. Look at the little lunch box straped to his back.
But the VFW and the American Legion love his stupidity.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmThis is the most profound (and on the mark) piece of writing I have read in the past year, just thought I’d share :
http://visibility911.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=206482
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:48 pmOur Defense Dept Intelligence said we could not allow the elections reuniting North and South Vietnam like we had agreed to in 1956 because it was obvious Ho would win at least 80% of the vote.
Pentagon intelligence also said the Domino Theory was not true, even though that is what the American people were being told. Someone in Pentagon Intelligence named Daniel Ellsberg gave the newspapers these truths a long time ago, but the details never make the MainStreamMedia.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:49 pm“Nah, he and Clinton were hangin’ out and chasing the chicks. And to think that Hillary was the best that Bill could do.
Comment by Halsa”
Sorry, while Bush was passing the bong, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. And I think that Bill did pretty well by Hillary. I’m sure she isn’t to your taste because she doesn’t have big lips and big boobs, but I expect Clinton is not interested in those, he was interested in her intellect and her person.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe barbarians who did this: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.boy/index.html
…are the enemy that we are fighting in Iraq.
And you fools would have them win.
Pathetic.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmUS forces had been completely out of Vietnam for years b4 the North attacked in violation of the cease-fire and over-ran the country…
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmGWB did fulfill his NG requirements until the exact time they began including the drug test as part of the flight physical. After that point, he never took the flight physical and therefore could not fly (his only duty). After that it can only be shown that he appeared once for a free dental visit.
He was technically AWOL at a time of war.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:55 pmIf only George has stayed and went to war with his fellow soldiers then he might have learned something. What Bush learned was a rich kid could stay drunk and have his Daddy get him out of the military because George is a coward. Everything Bush is saying has been written for him, he stayed drunk so much and used drugs he might have lost the memory of that time. Now Cheney can give some lessons as he talks about how he got the famous 5 deferments even using his wife as an excuse.
Americans now see that we have to cowards running the Country. When young American men stood up to serve the United States of America, Bush/Cheney found a way to get out of serving as did most of the elected officials and TV show host talking up war. I think it’s funny when Vets speak up and cowards disagree, who would know better the coward or the Vet.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:56 pmWTF? So now suddenly, bush is again talking about Osama bin Laden? Thought he didn’t care about Osama. Such a f**king flip flopper.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmAnd you fools would have them win.
Pathetic.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo
You might check with your buddy Negroponte about his death squads.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmAnd you fools would have them win.
Pathetic.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pm———————————
Win? That’s an example of sectarian violence. What does that have to do with “us against them”? There are savages on both sides of this CIVIL WAR. Is your solution to kill all of them?
And you fools would have them win.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo
Win what? The oil? Using a really sad single case story to justify the occupation of an entire country is what is pathetic. Five teens shot three others execution style for nothing more than fun in Jersey last week. Should we send in the Army to help out the poor people of Newark?
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmIf you are worried about Iraqi children, vast majority die from bombs and fire from planes, jets, and helicopters. Only we have these. One in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five (one in 4 in Afghanistan). It was not like this before we invaded. Iraq is now the second-worst failed state in the world. Only Sudan is worse.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmok TROLLS, Open wide for your daily dose of BS flavored kool aid, the emperor is talking at you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:04 pmAnd you fools would have them win.
Quiet, sonny, the adults are talking.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pm.
#73 We advocate a draft just so it will even the playing field a bit.
And don’t forget Bush’s other “draft” tactic and that is the stop-loss. If that isn’t a back door draft, I don’t know what is.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhen the figure of over one million violent deaths is given, that is the INCREASE over the normal rate since our invasion and occupation.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe barbarians who did this: http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ WORLD/ meast/ 08/ 22/ iraq.boy/ index.html
…are the enemy that we are fighting in Iraq.
And you fools would have them win.
Pathetic.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Are they the enemy we’re fighting in Iraq? How do you know? There are no suspects and no known motive for the attack. Were they Shi’ite militias? Sunni militias? IAI? ISI? Or were they just common criminals?
You don’t know. For all you know, we may have armed or funded the people who set that boy on fire. And while our military is there babysitting a civil war, the Iraqi army and police forces have little incentive to investigate this kind of violence, and the Iraqi politicians have little incentive to make the compromises necessary to prevent it.
How many more little boys will need to be set on fire before you get the message?
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmBilbo, post #111 may be the funniest thing I’ve read all weak. I’m not anti-clinton, but DAMN! Bill liking Hillary “for the woman she is” is too much!!!! I’ve seen the early pictures of the Hillary, and they are, to say the least, scary! Bill, like most politicians, probably married her because it was the correct thing to do for their careers!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm‘interested in her intellect and person’……you are hilarious man!!!
Sorry, I typo-ed my own name. Silly me.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:10 pmUnder the conservative fantasy of us “winning” in Vietnam—–what, China is not going to mind a victorious 500,000-man American army sitting on their border?!? What happens next?
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:13 pmAnd now my #86 post disappered… WTF, TP???
Comment by VetMN — August 22, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Is that you at #78?
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pmIs that you at #78?
Comment by IgnoranceIsNotBliss — August 22, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pm————————-
Nope. That’s the “new” Vet…
Perhaps a javascriptlet that identifies the troll and makes the screen font the same color as the background…
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
YES!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:18 pm…are the enemy that we are fighting in Iraq.
And you fools would have them win. Pathetic.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
No. That’s the enemy that you brought into Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 pmIs your solution to kill all of them?
Comment by VetMN — August 22, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
No, it’s to have SOMEONE ELSE kill them. Ringo is defending the Freedom Fries from his Fortress of Solitude, aka “Mom’s Basement”, furiously typing away!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:24 pmI just saw the story of the burnt boy on CNN and it was very sad. But it is not known who did it. This sort of thing was not happening before WE turned the country into a hornet’s nest.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:25 pmFirst of all, Faiz, you’re an idiot. Look, I’m not a Bush fan but idiots like you take anything Bush says and twist it out of context. So lets be clear. We DID go into Iraq with overwhelming force and took Sadam and his gang of thugs out – quickly! (selective memory, ah Fiaz) We are now fighting a different enemy. Its name is Al-Queda. That’s right, the same ones who bombed our country in 2001. Have you morons forgotten? And yes, we do need to learn from Vietnam and every other war we have fought. Pulling out would be a HUGE mistake. You libs simply cannot stomach war or the fact that there are very, very bad people out there. You want to make believe that everyone is good and America is bad. You are also the ones who want to give Terrorists a fair trial. What exactly is “fair” about terrorism? Oh, I see, you think Americans all deserve to die because America is bad and its our Capitalistic economy (a.k.a. greed) that is the problem. Its all our fault. Forget the fact that Terrorists strike virtually every and any country they disagree with, including Indonesia, African countries, Europe, Russia, …… We all deserve it. Right? Oh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 pm“Whatever your position in that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America’s withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens, whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like ‘boat people,’ ‘re-education camps’ and ‘killing fields,’ ” the president said.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:35 pmFor those interested in a psychological analysis of warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.†It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives–concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq–or an attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmRobarto, you forgot the sarcasm word after your post.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmThis sort of thing was not happening before WE turned the country into a hornet’s nest.
Comment by Keith
People. This “sort of thing” happens here in the US. Rednecks dragging a black man by a chain from their bumper, people killing their own children, execution killings, etc. It happens here. As sad as this story is, I could go through today’s local news in a dozen cities and pull out a story rivaling this. It is no reason to continue an occupation.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmOh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything.
Comment by Robarto
Unless of course, Clinton did it too. Then it would be okay.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:42 pmIt is no reason to continue an occupation.
Comment by dlet — August 22, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
WHAT!!! Are you suggesting Bru$chCo withdraw from the US?
That’s simply traitorous, man!!!
Hey, everybody, the Freedom Fries are pipin’ hot! Time to chow down!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:44 pmOh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything.
Comment by Robarto
Damn… he’s FINALLY catchin’ on. See, if ya tell’em the truth 80 or 90 times, even the slowest of trolls catches on. Patience, people!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmWe DID go into Iraq with overwhelming force and took Sadam and his gang of thugs out – quickly! (selective memory, ah Fiaz) We are now fighting a different enemy. Its name is Al-Queda. That’s right, the same ones who bombed our country in 2001. Have you morons forgotten?
Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
The ISI did not bomb our country in 2001.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmHe was FOR the Vietnam war until he was AWOL.
And he was AGAINST nation-building and NO EXIT STRATEGY,
until he was FOR THEM.
TRAITOR and MORON.
Even Walter Jones, the guy who originally came up with the “freedom fries” term, says we should be OUT of Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:48 pm..The Pentagon has said that al Qaeda only makes up about 2-5% on who we are fighting in Iraq. The insurgents see us as being there to take their oil.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmToaster, ISI (Pakistani Intelligence) had a major role in the 9/11 attacks.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmAbout Vietnam – Bush was for it before he was against it before was for it – don’t forget in his college days he would tell anyone who would listen what a big supporter he was of the war in Vietnam (not enough to actually go fight it, of course).
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pmOkay, being a pharmacist and having a little knowledge of manic depression and pyschosis, I have one question?
Who forgot to give Robarto his meds this morning?
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm“Damn… he’s FINALLY catchin’ on. See, if ya tell’em the truth 80 or 90 times, even the slowest of trolls catches on. Patience, people!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity ”
My God. Can you define stupidity any better than this idiots English and grammar? Hey mister “know-it-all”, guess what? If you have to tell somebody something 80 or 90 times, that means they are not listening to you!
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmI hope the salmon and ling cod on my next fishin trip are as gullible as ol Robarto Simpson here. I’ll come back with at least two, maybe three ice chests of fillets.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmIf you have to tell somebody something 80 or 90 times, that means they are not listening to you!
Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
That’s right. We’re not listening to you. So why don’t you go away and play at LGF or some other conservative hate site?
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 pmAnd therein lies the problem with Libs. They always think they are right. Can you tell me how many Dems/Libs i Congress voted FOR the Iraqi war? I can tell you it was an overwhelming majority. But hindsight is 20/20 and now the Libs think they have all the answers. But as the “Republic of Stupidity” so vividly pointed out, nobody is listening. You so fervently despise Bush that you cannot see beyond your hatred. Its very sad and why you WILL lose the next election. (Besides the fact that your Democratically run Congress has THE lowest approval rating in American history. A bunch of do-nothing whiners)
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:13 pm“That’s right. We’re not listening to you. So why don’t you go away and play at LGF or some other conservative hate site?
Comment by toasterhead”
Boo hoo hooo…. whine, whine, whine. Stop your crying you whimp. Haven’t you heard? Everybody has a right to their opinions?
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:16 pmBarto, make sure you come back and pay us a visit, oh, say around November 15th 2008.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 pmAnd therein lies the problem with Libs. They always think they are right. Can you tell me how many Dems/Libs i Congress voted FOR the Iraqi war? I can tell you it was an overwhelming majority. But hindsight is 20/20 and now the Libs think they have all the answers.
Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
You’re right – far too many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle voted for the Iraq war. Many people did have the foresight in 2003 to predict that we’d end up in the quagmire we’re in today. (Some, like Dick Cheney, had that foresight in 1994, but that’s another story). Unfortunately, the neocon al-Qa’ida had so polarized the country and hypnotized the corporate media in 2003 that anyone expressing dissent or opposition to the Iraq Quagmire was branded “unpatriotic.”
It’s a mistake we’re not going to let happen again.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:22 pmChimpy looks like he has aged 40 years in 7.
Crime doesn’t pay.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe part I found troubling was that Bush blamed the killing fields in Cambodia by Pol Pot was caused by our not finishing the job in Vietnam.
Our incursion into the Parrot’s Beak area of Cambodia further weakened an already weak government in Cambodia, giving rise to the despot Pol Pot.
Further, North Vietnam invaded Cambodia to stop the slaughter and send Pol Pot into hiding. This country actually sided with Pol Pot until the killing fields were uncovered.
So, what is the lesson Bush takes from this? And since Bush invokes Cambodia as an example of not finishing the job is he calling for military action against Iran as part of finishing the job in Iraq. His Kansas City speech is very disturbing, especially for its lack of clarity.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe word “blamed” should read “claimed” in post #154, above.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:17 pmRobarto – Keeep up the good work!! The TP cens*r has been busy today and I am glad you had your thoughts posted!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:27 pmWhy are the leftonian lefturds so pissed off about this, its not as if Hillbilly Clinton or a host of other demorats havent changed their views on the war.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
birdbrain, neither hillary nor any other Dem was stupid enough to send troops into the quagmire in the desert. Bush dod that, and must take the full blame for the mass murders, the loss of American servicemen, and the financial costs. You have a smaller brain than a parakeet. No wonder you’re both a coward and a righturd.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:33 pmAnd you fools would have them win.
Pathetic.
Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Actually, you fools would have them win, by your cowardly avoidance of service and your allowing thieves, liars and traitors in the White House. It’s on you, now and forever.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:34 pmOh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything.
Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
The only truthful and accurate sentence in your entire post of drool and drivel.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:36 pmSounds like team Georgie has had it with Malaki and co.
Finally!!!!
Problem is now what? Elections again?? Three states??? Or the 80% solution (kind of is already and hence the weak government)????? or a new strongman???
Such wonderful choices!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:54 pmAnd up is down, the Yankees play hockey, and Britney Spears is a philosophy professor to-be. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:21 pmCan anyone provide a translation of what George W said in that speech? I tried to listen, but my eyes started bleeding. What was his point, that the Vietnamese attacked the WTC? That Osama Bin Laden is in league with Vietnam? That we should spend more time listening to OBL? That would make So much more sense that catching him and bringing him to Justice. What was his point??? Also, I’d Really like to know how that audience reacted to his speech. I’d bet the the Vets, especially the Vietnam Vets, really didn’t approve of that innane drivel.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:25 pmImpeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution!
Just to clarify, libs push for the draft because they want the voters to know what they’re voting for when they get in the booth. Vote for the Reps & be prepared to support the war effort. How can that be a bad thing? How can the Reps be against something like a draft when they keep complaining that the only problem with Iraq is that there’s not enough troops? And if you toss Iran on the pile, possibly Syria then you need many more troops. Reps are against the draft because they don’t want their kids to serve and don’t want their voters to make informed decisions. They know that most of their supporters only support wars that they themselves don’t have to fight in. If there was a draft suddenly the majority of Rep voters would seek deferments for cysts on their asses or worse, Cheney deferments.
Reps don’t want to pay for anything. They don’t want to fund their wars either financially or with their physical support.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pmDave C (163)-you are looking for logic amid neo-con talking points. It’s like looking for dating advice from “The Bachelor”. You’re just not gonna find it. =)
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmNot really looking for logic. I’m trying to understand how someone can be supportive of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan and a pending war in Iran and yet be against the draft. Cowardice seems to be the only reason.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by Leporello — August 22, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
you pretty much nailed the Dubya logic flow……… He has had some severe “issues” with reality since he did all those drugs while being AWOL.
After what I have seen the past 6 1/2 years though, is THANK GOD he wasn’t in Vietnam while I was; he wouldn’t have lasted a week; either his stupidity would have gotten him and a lot of good men killed, or he would have been fragged.
What an A$$Klown!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 pmIf these guys had their way, we’d STILL be killing Vietnamese (and losing more 20 year old American soldiers), instead of buying t-shirts from them at the Gap.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmI can see where a blind ideologue like our president might think that Iraq met all three of those criteria, so here are my clarifications to the list:
.. and consonant with reality. That means true.
And consonant with reality. That means true andacheivable
And consonant with reality you dimwit!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmIt is surprising that the USA,a great country to be sure,elects such ignorant presidents time and again.Past mistakes are meant to be learnt from but it appears as if the USA is doomed to repeat them.The USA should have learnt from the debacle of Vietnam that you cannot bomb nations to do as you wish however strong militarily you are.Bush will step down after his term but those who come after him will have to deal with Irag and all the hate created by the unlawful invasion.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 amThis war is just the begining,soon we’ll be bombing iran!I wouldn’t put it past this president to set off a nucular bomb in our country to allow him to be the decieder for his lifetime!
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 pm