Comments on: Post-War Bush Forgets Pre-War Bush’s ‘Lessons Of Vietnam’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:01:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: towanda http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4032123 towanda Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:00:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4032123 This war is just the begining,soon we'll be bombing iran!I wouldn't put it past this president to set off a nucular bomb in our country to allow him to be the decieder for his lifetime! This war is just the begining,soon we’ll be bombing iran!I wouldn’t put it past this president to set off a nucular bomb in our country to allow him to be the decieder for his lifetime!

]]> By: saidarr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4031856 saidarr Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:02:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4031856 It is surprising that the USA,a great country to be sure,elects such ignorant presidents time and again.Past mistakes are meant to be learnt from but it appears as if the USA is doomed to repeat them.The USA should have learnt from the debacle of Vietnam that you cannot bomb nations to do as you wish however strong militarily you are.Bush will step down after his term but those who come after him will have to deal with Irag and all the hate created by the unlawful invasion. It is surprising that the USA,a great country to be sure,elects such ignorant presidents time and again.Past mistakes are meant to be learnt from but it appears as if the USA is doomed to repeat them.The USA should have learnt from the debacle of Vietnam that you cannot bomb nations to do as you wish however strong militarily you are.Bush will step down after his term but those who come after him will have to deal with Irag and all the hate created by the unlawful invasion.

]]> By: Howard Owen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4031358 Howard Owen Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:57:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4031358 I can see where a blind ideologue like our president might think that Iraq met all three of those criteria, so here are my clarifications to the list: <blockquote>.. the cause must be just .. </blockquote> .. and consonant with reality. That means <em>true.</em> <blockquote> .. the goal must be clear .. </blockquote> And consonant with reality. That means <em>true <strong>and</strong>acheivable</em> <blockquote> .. and the victory must be overwhelming. </blockquote> <em>And consonant with reality</em> you dimwit! I can see where a blind ideologue like our president might think that Iraq met all three of those criteria, so here are my clarifications to the list:

.. the cause must be just ..

.. and consonant with reality. That means true.

.. the goal must be clear ..

And consonant with reality. That means true andacheivable

.. and the victory must be overwhelming.

And consonant with reality you dimwit!

]]> By: Publicus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030633 Publicus Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:17:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030633 If these guys had their way, we'd STILL be killing Vietnamese (and losing more 20 year old American soldiers), instead of buying t-shirts from them at the Gap. If these guys had their way, we’d STILL be killing Vietnamese (and losing more 20 year old American soldiers), instead of buying t-shirts from them at the Gap.

]]> By: upside00 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030334 upside00 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:41:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030334 <em>Comment by Leporello — August 22, 2007 @ 5:25 pm</em> you pretty much nailed the Dubya logic flow......... He has had some severe "issues" with reality since he did all those drugs while being AWOL. After what I have seen the past 6 1/2 years though, is THANK GOD he wasn't in Vietnam while I was; he wouldn't have lasted a week; either his stupidity would have gotten him and a lot of good men killed, or he would have been fragged. What an A$$Klown!! Comment by Leporello — August 22, 2007 @ 5:25 pm

you pretty much nailed the Dubya logic flow……… He has had some severe “issues” with reality since he did all those drugs while being AWOL.

After what I have seen the past 6 1/2 years though, is THANK GOD he wasn’t in Vietnam while I was; he wouldn’t have lasted a week; either his stupidity would have gotten him and a lot of good men killed, or he would have been fragged.

What an A$$Klown!!

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030321 Dave C Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:38:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030321 Not really looking for logic. I'm trying to understand how someone can be supportive of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan and a pending war in Iran and yet be against the draft. Cowardice seems to be the only reason. Not really looking for logic. I’m trying to understand how someone can be supportive of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan and a pending war in Iran and yet be against the draft. Cowardice seems to be the only reason.

]]> By: TC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030308 TC Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:35:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030308 Dave C (163)-you are looking for logic amid neo-con talking points. It's like looking for dating advice from "The Bachelor". You're just not gonna find it. =) Dave C (163)-you are looking for logic amid neo-con talking points. It’s like looking for dating advice from “The Bachelor”. You’re just not gonna find it. =)

]]> By: Dave C http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030293 Dave C Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:33:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030293 Just to clarify, libs push for the draft because they want the voters to know what they're voting for when they get in the booth. Vote for the Reps & be prepared to support the war effort. How can that be a bad thing? How can the Reps be against something like a draft when they keep complaining that the only problem with Iraq is that there's not enough troops? And if you toss Iran on the pile, possibly Syria then you need many more troops. Reps are against the draft because they don't want their kids to serve and don't want their voters to make informed decisions. They know that most of their supporters only support wars that they themselves don't have to fight in. If there was a draft suddenly the majority of Rep voters would seek deferments for cysts on their asses or worse, Cheney deferments. Reps don't want to pay for anything. They don't want to fund their wars either financially or with their physical support. Just to clarify, libs push for the draft because they want the voters to know what they’re voting for when they get in the booth. Vote for the Reps & be prepared to support the war effort. How can that be a bad thing? How can the Reps be against something like a draft when they keep complaining that the only problem with Iraq is that there’s not enough troops? And if you toss Iran on the pile, possibly Syria then you need many more troops. Reps are against the draft because they don’t want their kids to serve and don’t want their voters to make informed decisions. They know that most of their supporters only support wars that they themselves don’t have to fight in. If there was a draft suddenly the majority of Rep voters would seek deferments for cysts on their asses or worse, Cheney deferments.

Reps don’t want to pay for anything. They don’t want to fund their wars either financially or with their physical support.

]]> By: Leporello http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030259 Leporello Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:25:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030259 Can anyone provide a translation of what George W said in that speech? I tried to listen, but my eyes started bleeding. What was his point, that the Vietnamese attacked the WTC? That Osama Bin Laden is in league with Vietnam? That we should spend more time listening to OBL? That would make So much more sense that catching him and bringing him to Justice. What was his point??? Also, I'd Really like to know how that audience reacted to his speech. I'd bet the the Vets, especially the Vietnam Vets, really didn't approve of that innane drivel. Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution! Can anyone provide a translation of what George W said in that speech? I tried to listen, but my eyes started bleeding. What was his point, that the Vietnamese attacked the WTC? That Osama Bin Laden is in league with Vietnam? That we should spend more time listening to OBL? That would make So much more sense that catching him and bringing him to Justice. What was his point??? Also, I’d Really like to know how that audience reacted to his speech. I’d bet the the Vets, especially the Vietnam Vets, really didn’t approve of that innane drivel.
Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution!

]]> By: TC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030243 TC Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:21:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030243 And up is down, the Yankees play hockey, and Britney Spears is a philosophy professor to-be. <strong>IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!!!!!!</strong> And up is down, the Yankees play hockey, and Britney Spears is a philosophy professor to-be. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST!!!!!!

]]> By: squidbilly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030124 squidbilly Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:54:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030124 Sounds like team Georgie has had it with Malaki and co. Finally!!!! Problem is now what? Elections again?? Three states??? Or the 80% solution (kind of is already and hence the weak government)????? or a new strongman??? Such wonderful choices!!! Sounds like team Georgie has had it with Malaki and co.

Finally!!!!

Problem is now what? Elections again?? Three states??? Or the 80% solution (kind of is already and hence the weak government)????? or a new strongman???

Such wonderful choices!!!

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030040 ronjazz Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:36:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030040 Oh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything. Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 2:33 pm The only truthful and accurate sentence in your entire post of drool and drivel. Oh yeah, and its all Bush’s fault. Everything.

Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

The only truthful and accurate sentence in your entire post of drool and drivel.

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030035 ronjazz Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:34:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030035 And you fools would have them win. Pathetic. Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm Actually, you fools would have them win, by your cowardly avoidance of service and your allowing thieves, liars and traitors in the White House. It's on you, now and forever. And you fools would have them win.

Pathetic.

Comment by Ringo the Gringo — August 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm

Actually, you fools would have them win, by your cowardly avoidance of service and your allowing thieves, liars and traitors in the White House. It’s on you, now and forever.

]]> By: ronjazz http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030030 ronjazz Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:33:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030030 Why are the leftonian lefturds so pissed off about this, its not as if Hillbilly Clinton or a host of other demorats havent changed their views on the war. Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:33 pm birdbrain, neither hillary nor any other Dem was stupid enough to send troops into the quagmire in the desert. Bush dod that, and must take the full blame for the mass murders, the loss of American servicemen, and the financial costs. You have a smaller brain than a parakeet. No wonder you're both a coward and a righturd. Why are the leftonian lefturds so pissed off about this, its not as if Hillbilly Clinton or a host of other demorats havent changed their views on the war.

Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 12:33 pm

birdbrain, neither hillary nor any other Dem was stupid enough to send troops into the quagmire in the desert. Bush dod that, and must take the full blame for the mass murders, the loss of American servicemen, and the financial costs. You have a smaller brain than a parakeet. No wonder you’re both a coward and a righturd.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4030014 mighty aphrodite Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:27:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4030014 Robarto - Keeep up the good work!! The TP cens*r has been busy today and I am glad you had your thoughts posted!! Robarto – Keeep up the good work!! The TP cens*r has been busy today and I am glad you had your thoughts posted!!

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4029989 DallasNE Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:17:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4029989 The word "blamed" should read "claimed" in post #154, above. The word “blamed” should read “claimed” in post #154, above.

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4029982 DallasNE Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:16:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4029982 The part I found troubling was that Bush blamed the killing fields in Cambodia by Pol Pot was caused by our not finishing the job in Vietnam. Our incursion into the Parrot's Beak area of Cambodia further weakened an already weak government in Cambodia, giving rise to the despot Pol Pot. Further, North Vietnam invaded Cambodia to stop the slaughter and send Pol Pot into hiding. This country actually sided with Pol Pot until the killing fields were uncovered. So, what is the lesson Bush takes from this? And since Bush invokes Cambodia as an example of not finishing the job is he calling for military action against Iran as part of finishing the job in Iraq. His Kansas City speech is very disturbing, especially for its lack of clarity. The part I found troubling was that Bush blamed the killing fields in Cambodia by Pol Pot was caused by our not finishing the job in Vietnam.

Our incursion into the Parrot’s Beak area of Cambodia further weakened an already weak government in Cambodia, giving rise to the despot Pol Pot.

Further, North Vietnam invaded Cambodia to stop the slaughter and send Pol Pot into hiding. This country actually sided with Pol Pot until the killing fields were uncovered.

So, what is the lesson Bush takes from this? And since Bush invokes Cambodia as an example of not finishing the job is he calling for military action against Iran as part of finishing the job in Iraq. His Kansas City speech is very disturbing, especially for its lack of clarity.

]]> By: Kay http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4029979 Kay Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:15:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4029979 Chimpy looks like he has aged 40 years in 7. Crime doesn't pay. Chimpy looks like he has aged 40 years in 7.

Crime doesn’t pay.

]]> By: toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4029802 toasterhead Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:22:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4029802 <i>And therein lies the problem with Libs. They always think they are right. Can you tell me how many Dems/Libs i Congress voted FOR the Iraqi war? I can tell you it was an overwhelming majority. But hindsight is 20/20 and now the Libs think they have all the answers. Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 3:13 pm</i> You're right - far too many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle voted for the Iraq war. Many people did have the foresight in 2003 to predict that we'd end up in the quagmire we're in today. (Some, like Dick Cheney, had that foresight in 1994, but that's another story). Unfortunately, the neocon al-Qa'ida had so polarized the country and hypnotized the corporate media in 2003 that anyone expressing dissent or opposition to the Iraq Quagmire was branded "unpatriotic." It's a mistake we're not going to let happen again. And therein lies the problem with Libs. They always think they are right. Can you tell me how many Dems/Libs i Congress voted FOR the Iraqi war? I can tell you it was an overwhelming majority. But hindsight is 20/20 and now the Libs think they have all the answers.

Comment by Robarto — August 22, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

You’re right – far too many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle voted for the Iraq war. Many people did have the foresight in 2003 to predict that we’d end up in the quagmire we’re in today. (Some, like Dick Cheney, had that foresight in 1994, but that’s another story). Unfortunately, the neocon al-Qa’ida had so polarized the country and hypnotized the corporate media in 2003 that anyone expressing dissent or opposition to the Iraq Quagmire was branded “unpatriotic.”

It’s a mistake we’re not going to let happen again.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/comment-page-4/#comment-4029792 RUCerious Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:19:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/22/bush-lessons-of-vietnam/#comment-4029792 Barto, make sure you come back and pay us a visit, oh, say around November 15th 2008. Barto, make sure you come back and pay us a visit, oh, say around November 15th 2008.

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