Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’
Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’
In his speech to Veterans of Foreign Wars today, President Bush declared that the lesson of Vietnam is that we must not withdraw from Iraq. UCLA historian Robert Dallek, who has written about the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam, says Bush is “twisting history” with his new analogy:
“It just boggles my mind, the distortions I feel are perpetrated here by the president,” he said in a telephone interview.
“We were in Vietnam for 10 years. We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in all of World War II in every theater. We lost 58,700 American lives, the second-greatest loss of lives in a foreign conflict. And we couldn’t work our will,” he said.
“What is Bush suggesting? That we didn’t fight hard enough, stay long enough? That’s nonsense. It’s a distortion,” he continued. “We’ve been in Iraq longer than we fought in World War II. It’s a disaster, and this is a political attempt to lay the blame for the disaster on his opponents. But the disaster is the consequence of going in, not getting out.”
(HT: Karen Tumulty)
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I saw his speech on British TV news ,,,man hes scraping the barrel
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:34 pmImpeach Bush and Cheney!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmUnfortunetely bush will have plenty of supporters, in the media and in the public (as witnessed by the trolls who post here) who will mindlessly repeat the lie, any lie, as long as bush says it first.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmThe best part is his tone in which he "explains" this crap to us as though WE'RE the idiots here.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:39 pmJust when you thought all the \"we lost the will to win in Vietnam\" delusionals were safely in their dust bins, Bush hauls them out, and asks for advice on his next speech.
Did Karl determine its been long enough that no-one will remember, or know anything about Vietnam? Probably right.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:39 pmI suspect all of Bush's former History teachers have commited suicide in the last couple of years.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pmthen after Bushes speech some guy from Freedom watch, made an ass of himself and the newsreader said to him "your not bipartisian at all your from the Bush camp"
from that moment on he got stick
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pmRemember, Remember. The surge of September.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:40 pmHe'd say anything to hold on to the oil and create a boom market for the Military Industrial Complex.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:41 pmTwisting, distorting and lieing are what Bush does best. You can easily tell when he is lieing though....his lips are moving.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:41 pmDoes George Bush think we are closer to 1973 in Iraq, or 1964?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:42 pmYeah Bush, Custer quit too soon too.
What a stupid little monkey. That cocaine cut some pretty deep channels didn't it?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 pmOf course, the biggest irony of all is that bush "majored" in history in college.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 pmHow could anyone in the Administration possibly have thought it was a good idea to compare Iraq with Vietnam? What's next, a speech by Mr. Bush about comparing his economic policies to Herbert Hoover's?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:44 pmhe makes a great "commander in Grief"
whats he gonna say next " no good crying over spilt Oil"
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmThe best part is his tone in which he “explains†this crap to us as though WE’RE the idiots here.
Because its true.
I notice the libtrolls here dont seem to be spending much time on the other wars that America has fought in, why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmTrained monkey spewing ca ca.
The only part of Viet Nam Bush remembers is waking up in a motel room, hungover & stoned, realizing he was late for duty.
So he never showed up.
Chickenshits, the lot of 'em.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmHe may have majored in history, but like all good cheerleaders, he earned his grades through late night sweat equity.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmAh the good old "Stab in the back" theory. It worked for Ludendorff and Hitler in 1919, it's good for another turn around the Beer Hall.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmBush is running out of ways to stay politically relevant until he leaves office. To many, he's past that point. Now he looks just desperate.
If he could just give some meaningful and accurate comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam -- you know, something that indicates he grasps the complexities of either conflict -- he might have something.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:46 pmPerhaps GW will again don his letter sweater and once more lift his megaphone to give the American public a hearty sis-boom-bah. We, as a nation will turn our caps backward and wave our terrible towels and shout our approval. And the Generals will make a stunning comeback to upset the Insurgents in OT! Next week we take on the Mullahs for the title. Go Team!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmI have a thesis to posit: that the Iraq War is in fact an extension of the Vietnam War. The United States has never come to terms with the Vietnam War and same as the German Army in WWI has blamed the loss on a "stab in the back" from the "libruls" at home.
Iraq 2003 is an attempt to exact revenge on the "libruls" for Vietnam....
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmA more apt anology would have been to the wingnuts beloved WWII.
We all know what happened to Hitler and Germany after it, like us, embarked on a path of preemptive wars to "protect it's national security".
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pm"why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
Comment by LibTeenie"
Because bush just brought it up, you moron.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pmUm, but us trolls were always telling the liberals not to compare Iraq with Vietnam. Now I have to change all of my talking points.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pmShrub has single-handedly turned Yale into a second tier Ivy League school
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pmI watched his speech this morning. All I could do was sit there and shake my head.. It is so amazing to me the things that come out of his mouth..
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pmThere is one difference between Vietnam and Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pmChimpy had a plan to stay out of Vietnam.
24 / you got him on that one ha ha ha ha so funny
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pmHow about Robert Dallek's distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?
Nobody. That's who.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 pmTeenyweenie, “why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
How 'bout, as George Costanza rightfully declared, we go back to 'The Moops' War?
Happy now?
Dipshit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmBush doesn't want to talk about WWII because his grandaddy sold gas chambers to hitler. bush doesn't want to talk about the civil war because so many of his supporters think they lost the civil war. Bush is conflicted by the revolutionary war since he thinks he's king.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmIf the President's misuse of the lessons of Vietnam sounds familiar, it should. After all, just last week 2008 Republican White House frontrunner Rudy Giuliani said virtually the same thing.
For the details, see:
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pm"Bush, Giuliani and Iraq as Vietnam."
I notice the libtrolls here dont seem to be spending much time on the other wars that America has fought in, why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Name another war the U.S. was in where we had the military advantage that lasted as long as the current conflict with no clear end in sight.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pm#22... that's like shooting yourself in the head to prove a point. This crew, I wouldn't put it past them.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmBush may have been a history major but at the time Viet Nam wasn't history. Those who couldn't buy their way out were living it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmThis Executive distorting history and misstating facts? I'm shocked, do you hear me, shocked to hear such a thing! Why you'd think that he wasn't willing to listen to others or ignore reality!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmThat's sarcasm, in case anyone mistakes it.
Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution!
bush was partying and AWOL while 58,700 American men his age were turned into hamburger in Vietnam... is he suggesting that we should have sent more americans to their deaths? moronic.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:53 pm"How about Robert Dallek’s distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?
Nobody. That’s who.
Comment by O. Bigfoot "
This is who rober dallek is, and why he has the credibilty to question the president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dallek
Who are you to question dallek's credibilty, troll?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:54 pmbigfoot, where are you? cutting and running? typical republican.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm#22 -I certainly think that you are at least partly correct. A certain part of our society has been trying to re-fight Viet Nam since we pulled out. This time they concentrated on controlling the message and repressing dissent from the start.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pmAugust 14th Yazidi Bombing Toll Updated: 572 Dead, 1,562 Wounded
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pmIMHO, getting out of Vietnam (i.e., "losing") was the best thing we could have done. Sure, it was bloody after we left, but it was better than the alternative of staying. Dominoes did not fall; the world did not become overwhelmed by Communism.
That is the lesson of Vietnam I wish we would remember now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:57 pm"bush was partying and AWOL while 58,700 American men his age were turned into hamburger in Vietnam… is he suggesting that we should have sent more americans to their deaths? moronic.
Comment by dcr — August 22, 2007 @ 4:53 pm"
I doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.
If he isn't, I am.
At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:57 pmHow about Robert Dallek’s distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?
Nobody. That’s who.
Comment by O. Bigfoot â€
actually anybody can question the president as we have freedom of speech this is not a monarchy and Bush is not a king.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:57 pmIn other news:
CNN reports: "Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security."
And one again this administration back tracks from it's "main goal."
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 pmSo I wonder if they plan to attempt to resurrect Saddam...??
“why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
Comment by LibTeenieâ€
Because bush just brought it up, you moron.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
HAHA - bobwurst - that's what I was thinking!
Funny, this idiot LibTeenie comes to a liberal website and "notices" that there are liberal trolls in the comment section? (wtf?)
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 pmI doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.
If he isn’t, I am.
At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmhmm yeah simply math 2 billion muslims against 300 million Americans. Seems like good odds.
I doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
How do you nuke an abstract concept?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmAnd one again this administration back tracks from it’s “main goal.â€
So I wonder if they plan to attempt to resurrect Saddam…??
Comment by Joel — August 22, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
LOL weekend at bernie's ?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pm"Who are you to question dallek’s credibilty, troll?
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 4:54 pm"
Who am I? I'm the fellow who doesn't give a damn about what Dallek has to say. Dallek is a mere college historian from UCLA. He's not anything more, nor anything less.
To me, Dallek's opinion means less than President Bush's opinion means to you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmThis "historian" (read: ideologue masquerading as a professor) is nothing but a partisan and fanatical ideologue; he also proves that many in academia lean shamelessly to the leftarded side. He failed to disprove Bush's Iraq-Vietnam comparison. Like the scores of intellectual cowards and debate-impaired progtards here, the "historian" failed to challenge and thus disprove Bush based on Bush's arguments. Instead, this sheeple-zombie of a historian just unimaginatively regurgitated leftarded talking points where he demonized Bush. This "historian" is such a chronic imbecile that even I can teach him a lesson about how Bush's Iraq-Vietnam comparison is apt. Bush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmwhy is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
Comment by LibTeenieâ€
Because your President just talked about it today maybe just a thought. As he has consistently said that 9/11 changed everything and that Vietnam was not a good analogy to our current situation and now is using the analogy as an excuse not to leave.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmBut America then withdrew its support, allowing the communist North to conquer the South.
And what was the aftermath of this ???Viet Nam has joined the WTO, and is becoming an asian economic powerhouse.
China, whom we fought the Viet Nam War to "contain", is making practically every manufactured good we buy, and is ironicaly lending us the money to fight the Iraq war, by buying up our debt.
If Bush had really understood the lessons of the Viet Nam War, we would not be in the quagmire that we find ourselves in today.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmBecause bush just brought it up, you moron.
He also brought up WWII and Korea, or are you cherry-picking your talking point comparisons?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:02 pm"Comment by O. Bigfoot"
Oh yeah??!!?? Same to you!!!
Only more of it!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:03 pmLOL weekend at bernie’s ?
Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
The man hired a LOT of look-alikes who have been out of a job since 2003. We could easily bring Saddam back.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pmSo O. Bigfoot, what is it about Bush that you like? Is it the warm feeling you get because your daddy says everything is ok? Or is it just the way his balls slap your chin?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pmComment by O. Bigfoot
I think you're lying to us.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pmI doubt you ever installed cable or now make food deliveries.
I think you are a treadhead who works at Big O Tire, drives an oversize pickup to compensate for your masculine insecurities, and Bigfoot is the name of the tires on it.
Dont worry about it Teeners, these libdolts spend their time jacking-off over photos of Castro, they dont have time to be intellectually honest.
They cherry-picked because the other wars dont jive with their worldview, which is "America sucks".
They are assholian assaloids, every one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:05 pm"actually anybody can question the president as we have freedom of speech this is not a monarchy and Bush is not a king.
Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm"
Actually, Britishers can question the Monarchy as well. However, the Monarchy remains the Monarchy.
Iraqis could question Saddam Hussein as well. However, if Hussein found out about it, he would have that Iraqi killed.
See, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:05 pmSo did Pretty Bird finish his meal of rotten maggot infested carrion?
KKKarl is ready for his back rub little guy, better hurry.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:07 pmBush pledges support for al-Maliki
US president says he has confidence in Iraqi leader amid comparisons with Vietnam.
Bush said that pulling US troops out of Iraq was not an option.
"As long as I am commander in chief we will fight to win… I'm confident that we will prevail," he said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
SAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:07 pmSo Bush is a complete dope.What else is new?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:07 pm"How do you nuke an abstract concept?
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm"
You don't. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmSo O. Bigfoot, what is it about Bush that you like? Is it the warm feeling you get because your daddy says everything is ok? Or is it just the way his balls slap your chin?
Shut up Paul Smockio, before I decide to revoke your posting rights. Get back to licking your dog's ass.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmAfter being a College Student in the late 60's early 70's I never would imagine being able to say - that Nixon was saner than Grim Reaper Bush.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pmTo me, Dallek’s opinion means less than President Bush’s opinion means to you.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
That's simply impossible.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:09 pmSee, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
I wasn't talking about Iraq or Britain I was talking about a U.S. citizen's right to question the government and specifically the President of the U.S. Try to deal with the issue at hand instead of avoiding it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:10 pmSAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 22, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
You got that right, girl.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:10 pmYou don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Ohhh - good plan. So how do you separate the people who are pro-abstract concept from the people who are anti-abstract concept so that you don't harm innocent people with your nuclear weapons?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:11 pmHa @ #28. That was the only plan Bush seems to have had that worked. I find it very interesting that Bush has moved from "don't compare Iraq and Vietnam" to "compare Iraq and Vietnam". I wish this idiot had a mind so he could make it up. I'd love to see some quotes from the past about how the comparison was wrong and then contrast them with what he said today.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:11 pmWow - how amazing to see the outcry of concern for Iraqi civilians from the rightwing nut trolls on this liberal website.
RobertDallekisideologicalandundereducate - what about the over 600,000 Iraqis that Bush has killed so far? Not much of a problem for you - and you'd like to stay and kill more.
O. Bigfoot - is so concerned he'd like to nuke all of Islam.
We're not buying your fake concern - it's just another spin to try to prolong the war. So try your snotty arguments out on some of your mentally challenged friends. Have a party. We'll be busy planning to get the troops out of Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:12 pmSo how do you separate the people who are pro-abstract concept from the people who are anti-abstract concept so that you don’t harm innocent people with your nuclear weapons?
Use the leftist method: focus groups.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:13 pm"Comment by O. Bigfoot
I think you’re lying to us.
I doubt you ever installed cable or now make food deliveries.
I think you are a treadhead who works at Big O Tire, drives an oversize pickup to compensate for your masculine insecurities, and Bigfoot is the name of the tires on it.
Comment by Saasquatch — August 22, 2007 @ 5:04 pm"
Just as it is with your liberalism, you have the right to believe anything you wish, however incorrect and wrong-headed it may be.
However, when you show your ignorance on one subject, and present it as fact, you also damage and weaken your other arguments.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:13 pmOne, Two, Three,
What are we fightin' for,
Don't ask me I don't give a damn,
I'm goin' to...
That's what's missing. We need some more good anti war songs.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:14 pmDont worry about it Teeners, these libdolts spend their time jacking-off over photos of Castro, they dont have time to be intellectually honest.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Does anyone know if there are any recent photos of Castro available online? Preferably scantily clad?
Is Britain a monarchy?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
That simply isn't very nice. We love our country. We seek to protect all American's rights which is why we take issue with your leaders. We are, in fact, the true Americans.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:15 pmAmerica doesn't suck.
(and i believe the correct spelling is "assoloid")
I think Pretty Bird likes having soldier’s blood on his hands. He uses the blood for a lubricant when he gives Bush a hand job. Then he licks the gooey mess off his fingers before he sit down to do battle with the progs.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pmDid Karl determine its been long enough that no-one will remember, or know anything about Vietnam? Probably right.
Comment by ForTruth — August 22, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Are you kidding? No one remembers that we fought Iraq in 1991, let alone Vietnam in the 60s and 70s.
I am amused that when Bush says "we" he does not mean "you me, and him." He means "everybody BUT me, Shooter, and our kids." Must be nice to have "other priorities" that exempt one from service to one's country. Or maybe like Twit's kids, they can all just go to Iowa to campaign for Rudi or Fred.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pmSo try your snotty arguments out on some of your mentally challenged friends. Have a party.
Careful, Bigfoot has a lot of liberal friends; that will be one large party.
Get the cops involved and close down the streets.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pmDaryll thinks we should nuke the homosexuals.
Let's start with San Francisco and the hell with the collateral damage.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm"I wasn’t talking about Iraq or Britain I was talking about a U.S. citizen’s right to question the government and specifically the President of the U.S. Try to deal with the issue at hand instead of avoiding it.
Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 5:10 pm"
No avoidance at all. It merely appeared that you needed a little lesson in reality. I am always up to that task when it is necessary.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pmYou don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
#
What is the name of the conflict in Iraq? (Hint:Operation Iraqi Freedom).
Wouldn't that whole concept (the idea that we are there to free Iraqis) go out the window as soon as we start "nuking" them?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:17 pmYou merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
Oh, ignorance...such a bliss.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:18 pmI can't believe Bush wants to talk about Viet Nam either. He must be wanting to shore up his 28%ers.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:18 pmOne Big difference between the Viet nam War and the Iraq War....THE DRAFT!
Let’s start with San Francisco and the hell with the collateral damage.
Comment by Egreggious
no, you will find more gay people in a GOP convention.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pmCome on manlicky, you can do better than your last post, Ive seen better insults in the DNC Handbook.
Quit fingering your dog and CONCENTRATE.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhat is the name of the conflict in Iraq? (Hint:Operation Iraqi Freedom).
Wouldn’t that whole concept (the idea that we are there to free Iraqis) go out the window as soon as we start “nuking†them?
Comment by Chris L — August 22, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Chris, haven't you grasped the concept of Newspeak yet? :-)
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pmNo avoidance at all. It merely appeared that you needed a little lesson in reality. I am always up to that task when it is necessary.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Answer my question please. Post #71. Chop-chop!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pmPity the poor trolls. They are so devoid of attention that they will do anything to fill that hole in their souls, even posting nonsense to get a rise.
I had a dog once who would eat her own shit and vomit it up on the porch for attention. Just like a troll, it didn’t matter what kind of attention.
We had to finally put a hole in her cranium to match the hole in her soul.
Pretty Bird? Picking up any clues here? Just saying…………
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 pmI think Bigfoot´s wive "falls" a lot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:21 pmHe also brought up WWII and Korea, or are you cherry-picking your talking point comparisons?
Comment by LibTeenie
I'm responding to the article posted. here's a well thought out response to the korea comparison:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/024795.php
read it and whine.
why don't you make a comparision bigmouth or are you too stupid?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:21 pmwhy is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Ask the Deserter-In-Chief, he's the one pointing it out. You are especially thick lately, littleteeniedick. Drinking more now? Taking after the Moron-In-Chief?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:22 pmQuit fingering your dog and CONCENTRATE.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird
We have another Einstein, folks.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmOff topic...but not really. A great article by Joe McClatchy:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/18991.html
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmI have one...
There's something happening here.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhat it is aint exactly clear.
There's a man with Executive Privilege over there.
Tellin me I got to beware.
How do you nuke an abstract concept?
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pmâ€
You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
I think what he's trying to say is everybody in Iran, Iraq and throughout the middle east are not terrorists are you condoning indiscrimately nuking entire countries.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:24 pmAt least in Vietnam we had a clear defined enemy, the NVA. And a clear goal, prevent the NVA from overtaking South Vietnam. In Iraq we have no clear mission, enemy, goal or exit strategy. The Sunnis are the enemy because they supported Saddam, and Al Qaeda is Sunni. Also the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are Sunni. Except we are arming Sunni militants and working to protect Sunni neighborhoods from Shia extremists. So the Shiites are the enemy, after all, most are being aided by Iran. Except that the Shia were the main people oppressed under Saddam, and the ones we went there to "free". So Sadr is a terrorist, but he is also an influential part of Iraq's government.
So essentially, our artillerymen and tank gunners can leave Iraq once they are a free democracy (their constitution declares them as an Islamic Theocracy, same as Iran), and once they have a good tax code.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pmEgreggious -
The trolls on this site are some of the most seriously stupid.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pmLike that bank robber who dropped his resume on the floor while getting away. So, busted.
This “historian†(read: ideologue masquerading as a professor) is nothing but a partisan and fanatical ideologue; he also proves that many in academia lean shamelessly to the leftarded side. He failed to disprove Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison. Like the scores of intellectual cowards and debate-impaired progtards here, the “historian†failed to challenge and thus disprove Bush based on Bush’s arguments. Instead, this sheeple-zombie of a historian just unimaginatively regurgitated leftarded talking points where he demonized Bush. This “historian†is such a chronic imbecile that even I can teach him a lesson about how Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison is apt. Bush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pmI think what he’s trying to say is everybody in Iran, Iraq and throughout the middle east are not terrorists are you condoning indiscrimately nuking entire countries.
Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Of course it is. I'm trying to get him to admit that he supports genocide, but he's not answering my question.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 pmAt the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
To me, Dallek’s opinion means less than President Bush’s opinion means to you.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Wallow in your ignorance, coward. Show us how proud you are of your stupidity and lack of courage. Demonstrate as clearly as you can how much you hate America and freedom. with every post, you make the Left stronger and your own sad, sick little 20% weaker and more delusional. Keep it up, you're all goners by 1/20/09.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:28 pm"I think Bigfoot´s wive “falls†a lot.
Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:21 pm"
She's right here reading this, why don't you ask her?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:31 pmBush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.
Comment by RobertDallekisideologicalandundereducated — August 22, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
you like it better when american soldiers are given the orders to massacre families and torture innocents, don't you? You're another madman forcing the sane conservative Americans to abandon you and your party. No wonder officers are quitting and writing editorials; they know y8ou and you treasonous moron fellow travelers are far more dangerous to America than any Iraqi could be.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:31 pmIraqis could question Saddam Hussein as well. However, if Hussein found out about it, he would have that Iraqi killed.
See, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
No facts there, more lies pulled form your ass.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe right wing has not always been so happy about the comparisons of Iraq and Vietnam:
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200404121000.asp
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pmHowever, when you show your ignorance on one subject, and present it as fact, you also damage and weaken your other arguments.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
and you should know, it's your main technique. Lie, and cover up. Typical repig.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pmBush is right.
The VC will take over Saigon if we pull out of Iraq.
Huh?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:33 pm"Answer my question please. Post #71. Chop-chop!
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 5:19 pm"
You will have to ask TP to post the answer. I typed it in and submitted it to them. They have it stuck in their filter somewhere. Must have been a little too close to the truth for the editors.
Sorry you will most likely never see it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm"In fact, I shouldn't have to go on about the inanity of the Iraq-Vietnam comparison because it's so silly. "
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200404121000.asp
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pm"Who am I? I’m the fellow..."
bigfoot.
you're a fruitpie pal, a hostess blueberry fruitpie.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pmShe’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Hey, Bigfoot's wife - do you ever cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about the bigoted moron you married? If not, you should. Whatever you do, PLEASE don't let this idiot knock you up. For the good of humanity.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:34 pmTrolls go all batshit when they can't un-write history.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmYou don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
that sounds terrifying, O bigfoot. between you and little birdie, you have
come up w/ some pretty scary scenarios. down right frightening in fact.
tell me again, who should i be afraid of?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmYou will have to ask TP to post the answer. I typed it in and submitted it to them. They have it stuck in their filter somewhere. Must have been a little too close to the truth for the editors.
Sorry you will most likely never see it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
What a wonderful dodge.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmAt the very least, we should have waged an all-out war
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Name one thing that Bush wanted, that the congress and the American taxpayers didn't give him to fight this War in Iraq!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmBush's world class incompetence ,and lack of realistic planning...is the cause of our troubles .
"I think Bigfoot´s wive “falls†a lot.
Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:21 pmâ€
She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?
Comment by O. Bigfoot"
And you're holding her by the hair screaming at her, right?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:36 pmTrolls go all batshit when they can’t un-write history.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Indeed. Distract. Make up sh!t. Hurl insults. Repeat as needed.
Trolls are easy to program at any rate, although I suppose they don't qualify as AI because, well, no I.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:36 pmI'll bet O. Bigfoot's response was brilliant and eloquent.
Bummer that the dog ate it. Again.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:36 pm"Hey, Bigfoot’s wife - do you ever cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about the bigoted moron you married? If not, you should. Whatever you do, PLEASE don’t let this idiot knock you up. For the good of humanity.
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm"
She's laughing pretty hard right now. We already have five boys, who are being prepared to go out and spread the truth.
Actually she's the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: "If he want's a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one."
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pmI hope O.BigHenryFoot doesn't get his clip on tie caught in the posting shredder. That'd be a real shame. He'd have to send his wive down to Ross or Walmart to get another one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pmhey bigfoot's wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he's lying.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:38 pmare being prepared to go out and spread the truth.
Keeerist, the tinfoil must cost a damn fortune.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:39 pmShut up Paul Smockio, before I decide to revoke your posting rights. Get back to licking your dog’s ass.
Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
you can try to revoke posting rights, but you have to get off of paul's dog.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 pmWhat a wonderful dodge.
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Bigfoot's dog eats all my best comments too.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 pmhey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
This is entirely out of line and uncalled for and serves no one. It's racist and sexist and entirely juvenile.
Knock it off!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 pm"hey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm"
Typical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.
Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.
Well, funny to us.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 pmWhich wife is it O. Bigfoot from Colorado City? The one who was only 12 when her Daddy gave her to Uncle O., or the one you raped behind the statue of Joey Smith?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:44 pmhey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
This is entirely out of line and uncalled for and serves no one. It’s racist and sexist and entirely juvenile.
Knock it off!
Comment by gummitch
I'll accept the juvenile label, but I'm not going to knock it off. the "oral "reference isn't racist, it's related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he's going to post the crap he posts I'm going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:47 pmTypical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.
Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.
Well, funny to us.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
What exactly is your resonable point? that you dismiss a historian because he doesnt' agree with your master? make a resonable point and your get a resonable response, spew your usual crap and that comes back at you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:49 pmTypical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.
Well, funny to us.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
You've studied the same history as Bush, which is none. Conservatives always get their heads handed to them, quite often literally. Liberals founded this country by defying the most powerful empire in the world, and beat them handily, because conservatives are cowards and lack imagination. The French aristocracy lost their heads in a liberal uprising. Hitler, a conservative of the first order, lost. Throughout history, conservatives are beaten down again and again, and never learn to be civilized and human. They keep returning to the unevolved state of jungle ethos, like the savages and barbarians they have not quite descended from. Liberalism ultimately wins, despite the setbacks of the savage monsters spawned by conservative psychopathy. America is the perfect example of liberalism winning and changing the world in doing so. You have completely destroyed whatever credibility you imagined you had with that supremely asinine, stupid, unresearched, kneejerk, ignorant statement. If you had a wife and kids, they would have you committed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:49 pmO. bigfoot, the responding posts to you aren't typical libs and you know it. You don't care to discuss but throw venom and then jump to another subject like many of the neocongaroos that post and run.
There's no need to insult your wife. There's also no need to take you seriously when you don't care to debate but only throw crap and run.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmShe’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?
Comment by O. Bigfootâ€
Liar. No self-respecting woman would be with a person advocating genocide.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:52 pmThose boys of O. Bigfoot must be getting ready to join the army. If they're not old enough, be sure to sign 'em up when they're ripe.
He seems to like killing people. I'm sure there is a father of five Islamic boys that has similar thoughts about his family.
How long do you want to keep this up? Liberals want to save both families. People like O. Bigfoot will destroy both.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:53 pm"I’ll accept the juvenile label, but I’m not going to knock it off. the “oral “reference isn’t racist, it’s related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he’s going to post the crap he posts I’m going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:47 pm"
Post anything of value? This entire website is devoted to nothing of value except demoralizing our military, lambasting our government and value system, and emboldening our enemies worldwide.
Personally, I don't care what is said about me. If the "progressives" on this website wish to stoop to gutter levels, that is entirely up to them, and clearly shows the thinking involved in the arguements leveled by typical liberals.
However, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:53 pmTypical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.
Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.
Well, funny to us.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
I don't support what bobwurst said but you have made no points to argue. First you call Robert Dallek a nobody (which by my standards is also an attack on him - which makes you a typical hypocrite). Nice opinion but no argument to be found in your statement. Then, you suggest we should nuke them (Iraq, Iran whomever you feel threatened by I guess). Again no arguments to back up this doosy.
Typical con, all talk with no intellect to back up the talk. We find it sad and not very funny.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:54 pmActually she’s the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: “If he want’s a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot
You are guilty of her sexual frustration. Not Iran.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:55 pmHowever, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
My parents are welcome to read anything my children post.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pm"Those boys of O. Bigfoot must be getting ready to join the army. If they’re not old enough, be sure to sign ‘em up when they’re ripe.
He seems to like killing people. I’m sure there is a father of five Islamic boys that has similar thoughts about his family.
How long do you want to keep this up? Liberals want to save both families. People like O. Bigfoot will destroy both.
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm"
Actually, they are between the ages of 7 and 14. A little young for the Army. However, the oldest is planning to attend a Military Academy here in New Mexico next year.
How many of your children will be serving, RagingGurrl?
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmRobert Dallek is being intellectually dishonest. The number of casualties in Iraq is nothing compared with the losses we saw in Vietnam and WWII. Unless we want to just throw away all of the progress we have made thus far in Iraq, we need to secure a solid US victory, which is what Bush was saying. For Dallek to suggest that Bush meant we did not fight hard enough in Vietnam is absurd, and it is a strawman argument.
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmPost anything of value? This entire website is devoted to nothing of value except demoralizing our military, lambasting our government and value system, and emboldening our enemies worldwide.
WHY are you here? Obviously to disrupt people discussing a political position that is in opposition to yours. You are simply angry and have chosen this site to vent.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:00 pmYou do not add to the discussion. And you are obviously deranged enough to call for the murder of millions of innocent people. No, you won't find people of your kind here and never will.
If RagingGurrl has children, I doubt that any will serve. People like RagingGurrl have very little values that they are willing to fight for, and usually they do all they can to propagate this weakness of the soul in their children.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmThe most vile, profane and disgusting thing I can imagine is sycophant's support of killing our soldiers for Bush's ego.
O. Bigfoot is the stereotypical sycophant. They will defend Bush regardless of what the weak coward does. And why? Because they all believe Jesus whispered sweet nothings in George's ear.
Wife, think about it. Can you see the weakness in your husband? Can you see him hiding behind Bush's skirts instead of being a man?
Don't answer out loud, I don't want to be responsible for another "fall".
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:02 pmFor Dallek to suggest that Bush meant we did not fight hard enough in Vietnam is absurd, and it is a strawman argument.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
It's the argument that Bush made. Another victim of private schooling, it appears. the number of casualties in iraq is enormous, but well-hidden by a secretive criminal cabal that has taken your country illegally. Your support of same puts you in the same criminal class.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:03 pmI have two cats and I won't allow either near this illegal war -
I value their lives too much.
And I'm doing everything in my power to bring our troops back to safety. I value their lives even more than you value your sons'.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmComment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
The number of casualties in Iraq is thankfully much less than in Viet Nam or WWII. but Nothing??? Tell that to the families who have lost someone over there.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmAnd the Damage to America's standing in the world under Bush is staggering.
If RagingGurrl has children, I doubt that any will serve. People like RagingGurrl have very little values that they are willing to fight for, and usually they do all they can to propagate this weakness of the soul in their children.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Only if she's a Republican does that apply. Bush's girls? Cheney's girls? Romney's 5 sissies? Please, you embarrass yourself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmUnless we want to just throw away all of the progress we have made thus far in Iraq, we need to secure a solid US victory, which is what Bush was saying.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
We could throw away all the progress we have made in a small ashtray.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmI’ll accept the juvenile label, but I’m not going to knock it off. the “oral “reference isn’t racist, it’s related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he’s going to post the crap he posts I’m going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
I'm not a concern troll, but I'm disgusted by your behavior and it reflects badly on the rest of us. Suggesting that someone is giving bj's to "black guys" for money isn't racist? Bullsh!t.
You think it's OK to descend to the trolls' level, fine, but don't expect not to get called on it. It serves no purpose except to validate the nasty comments the trolls already make about "liberals."
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmThe trolls seem to be operating under the assumption that having "the most powerful military in the world" makes the U.S. immune. Well, let's explore what has happened to some of the most powerful forces in history; in no particular order.
1: The Spanish Armada. Defeated
2: Ancient Greece. Defeated
3: Rome. Defeated
4: Various Asian empires. All defeated.
5: Nazi Germany. Defeated, dismantled and utterly destroyed.
Are you seeing a pattern? You see, when a Nation becomes a threat to enough other nations, said Nation finds itself fighting alone. And, what's more, when a Nation is hijacked by criminal leaders, the Nation often rises against them.
If the U.S. started "nuking" people it would result in our annihilation. Whether from within, or without, we would CEASE TO EXIST. Get it?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:07 pmblackball -
You really need to find another playground. This is a liberal site. Why do the rightard trolls insist on spewing their venom here?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmWe really must be getting under their skin.
But pete, you can't explain that in a simple slogan that would sound like we win and they lose. It's all in the packaging for the fools and the ones that follow them.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmAnd the "value" we are fighting for in Iraq is to not have to admit that Bush made a huge mistake. He is an inadequate coward and you pitiful trolls are here to defend your loser.
My boys are fighters and they have strong values. Putting their lives on the line for that weak little man is not the right fight.
Afghanistan and OBL were the right fight. Bush's War against Iraq is simply that, Bush's War.
And O.Biggo wouldn't send his boys either.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pm"Actually she’s the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: “If he want’s a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot
You are guilty of her sexual frustration. Not Iran.
Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:55 pm"
Oh, I can guarantee no problems in that regard. However, even if she was sexually frustrated, what would I care if she wanted to nuke Iran for it? Better them than me.
Obviously, you folks wish to turn every argument into a personal one, and I am more than up to the challenge. However, it serves no purpose. Therefore, I will merely sit back an read some more of your drivel. However, my kids are home from school, so I will have to monitor what is posted, as a lot of it is innapropriate for their age group.
Better yet, I don't want them reading pornographic stuff at all, and since TP appears to be nothing more than a porn site at this point, I will have to switch to another blog for awhile.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmHow do "progressives" expect to convince anyone that you're informed and thinking clearly with arguments like these?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:09 pmComment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Mary Cheney is an homosexual.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
All Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn't happen too quickly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:13 pmHowever, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
My son comments on TP from time to time, and lurks often. I'm guessing he's read my stuff. So?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:14 pmA strong military insures nothing. Might does not make right indefinitely.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:15 pmAll Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn’t happen too quickly.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Nuking Iran helps to ensure that it happens too quickly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:15 pmO.Bigfoot is a phoney. He was called out and blinked.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:16 pmVery well. Good job, well done to all truth seekers.
It's an interesting thing - no response speaks volumes, eh?
What, no more wise words form bigO? I cry silently.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:17 pmThe republicans think there are two versions to all history.
They're right.
The right one and the wrong one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:19 pmNothing will guarantee indefinite longevity for a nation, but having the muscle to ward off one's enemies is certainly a viable form of insurance.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:20 pmblackball are you still here? - And what is your point ? We make very serious comments here.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:21 pmHow do “progressives†expect to convince anyone that you’re informed and thinking clearly with arguments like these?
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
We don't. You'd need to be able to think for yourselves to understand the logic and factual basis of our arguments, but if you could do that, you wouldn't be neandertal conservative reactionaries. But you show up here with your talking points, without a modicum of thought, intelligence or compassion behind them, so you get shelled. The fact that you're incapable of learning is your own damn fault. all of history is against you, all the world is against you, you comprise a small minority of Americans, but you think you're right. See, there's no hope.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:22 pmAll Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn’t happen too quickly.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
having a strong military also assures that it will happen eventually.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:23 pmThe man's children had just arrived home so, as he explained, it is no suprise that he closed out of this blog. Don't be suprised when your vitriol turns people away from your views, and even makes people ignore you completely.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:23 pm"O.Bigfoot is a phoney. He was called out and blinked.
Very well. Good job, well done to all truth seekers.
It’s an interesting thing - no response speaks volumes, eh?
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:16 pm"
Blinked? Hardly.
Some folks may be proud of their profanity, their Anti-Americanism, their lack of support for our military, and their willingness to be an appeaser rather than fight for what is right. I feel sorry for you, for you live your lives in bitterness and despair.
However, I certainly don't lose any sleep over it.
After all, RagingGurrl: You know what they say about the "wierd cat lady"?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:24 pmYou don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
You are so stupid that it makes my head spin. I am amazed that your own mother did not drown you when you were born, she should have seen that you are evil and not only evil but stupid evil.
Do the world a favor and stop using perfectly good oxygen, you are wasting it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:25 pmSome folks may be proud of their profanity, their Anti-Americanism, their lack of support for our military, and their willingness to be an appeaser rather than fight for what is right. I feel sorry for you, for you live your lives in bitterness and despair.
However, I certainly don’t lose any sleep over it.
After all, RagingGurrl: You know what they say about the “wierd cat lady�
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Bush surrendered to Osama immediately and completely. he's the appeaser, you're just the tool he uses to shovel billions into his and his friends' overseas accounts. You're a simpleton.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:26 pm"Bush surrendered to Osama immediately and completely. he’s the appeaser, you’re just the tool he uses to shovel billions into his and his friends’ overseas accounts. You’re a simpleton.
Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 6:26 pm"
Uhhhh...yeah, ok. Whatever you say ronjazz...yeah, that's the ticket!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:29 pmYes - truly. He comments about dropping nukes on anyone who is believed to be radical Muslim - collateral damage doesn't concern him. He has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don't talk about a BJ!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:31 pmA strong military is a requirement of a strong nation these days..BUT.. what has Bush done to our Military???
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:31 pmOur all volunteer Army is in danger of collapsing for lack of volunteers.
Our $400 Billion a year military is unable to stop the IED"S and suicide bombers... a cheap and deadly answer to our high tech advantage.
And this Asymetric Warfare is being spread throughout the Muslim world to insurgencies everywhere.
And we are not paying the Bill for this misadventure.... we are charging it to the detriment of future American generations.
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
If you had children, you might feel differently.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:32 pmExplain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I'm missing something?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmblackball - yes, sure his kids came home. That's why he's still on. Mass murder anyone? Let's talk about a kid friendly subject like dropping nukes on people!
Take your ball and play in traffic.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:34 pmO. Bigfoot you're still here - oh my, my. What can I do to offend you?Please let us know. Obviously you all must enjoy talking about killing those nasty Muslims at the dinner table, sharing those nuke jokes with your wife and kids - what a lovely quality family you must have. and now with your eldest almost ready to join the military to do some killing on his very own. You must be so proud!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:37 pm"Yes - truly. He comments about dropping nukes on anyone who is believed to be radical Muslim - collateral damage doesn’t concern him. He has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don’t talk about a BJ!
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm"
We simply fight this battle against radical Islam in the same fashion they fight us. No quarter.
They killed their own in the World Trade Center without blinking an eye. Collateral damage meant nothing to them.
You think there were no Muslims in the World Trade Center or on those planes? Then you are absolutely nuts.
Radical Islam has no regard for it's own people, let alone for us. It's up to Islam to police their own. In the absense of that, we must take up the job. Another 9/11 cannot be allowed. If it means the end of Islam as they know it, so be it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:38 pmblackball - No. If I had children, I would still want you to take your ball and play in traffic.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:39 pmHe has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don’t talk about a BJ!
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Bigfoot posts almost as much obscenity as Mr Pee.
The troll ought to start their own "Clinton's BJ" blog.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:43 pm"O. Bigfoot you’re still here - oh my, my. What can I do to offend you?Please let us know. Obviously you all must enjoy talking about killing those nasty Muslims at the dinner table, sharing those nuke jokes with your wife and kids - what a lovely quality family you must have. and now with your eldest almost ready to join the military to do some killing on his very own. You must be so proud!
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm"
Hey Gurrl? May I have your permission to reprint this post and send it to our troops overseas? I am sure they would be most heartened to hear of your continuing support of our military.
Congrats! You have come out of the closet as an open desparager of our military!
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:43 pmIf you had children, you might feel differently.
Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
I have children. I agree with RagingGurrl.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:44 pmRagingGurrl,
You sound like you need to drop the cats off at a friends house this Friday, and invite one of the single men from your office home for dinner, or catch a flick with a friend. Don't waste your life, enjoy some human contact while you are still alive and well! Hey, it may even help with your rage problem.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:46 pmO.Bigfoot - Bush has no regard for the truth - He went into Iraq instead of continuing to pursue those who were responsible for 9-11. You idiots bought into the neocon Iraq War. We Progressives did not.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmWe want to fight al Queda, and terrorists who are a real threat to our country. You want to fight whomever Bush tells you is a threat to Halliburton.
Get a brain, think for yourself.
And Gurrl, what a quality family you must have! Sitting around the dinner table, sharing your Fancy Feast with your feline companions. How's the conversation? Kind of one-sided, isn't it? What with all that discussion about what types of kitty litter to use...
Don't forget what they say about the "Crazy Cat Lady".
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:47 pmblackball - you silly little person. As with all the little rightards, they are always wrong about everything.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmIsn't it interesting that you would assume I would be single and wasting my life and that "rage" refers to something negative.
Hmm, well I'll bet you think Saddam was behind 9-11, he had stockpiles of WMDs, the surge is going fantastically well and that people of the opposite sex find you attractive.
Explain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I'm missing something?
And how would nuking anyone make our troops jobs easier?
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pmWhat a complete and embarrassing moron. At least he could read a book about the war he hid from fighting in.
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmExplain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I'm missing something?
And how would nuking anyone make our troops jobs easier?
I'm waiting.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:01 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Don't forget what they say about the spawn of first cousins, bigfoot. that's an ideal handle for someone not quite human.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmYou think it’s OK to descend to the trolls’ level, fine, but don’t expect not to get called on it. It serves no purpose except to validate the nasty comments the trolls already make about “liberals.â€
Comment by gummitch
Right....don't "decend to the troll's level. how did that work out for kerry?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pmthe truth is morons like bigfoot aren't interested in having a discussion and you know it. feel free to object to my postings, but don't expect your objections to do anything other than give cowards like bigfoot cover.
Don’t forget what they say about the “Crazy Cat Ladyâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Same thing they say about pompous Mormon men.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 pm"Don’t forget what they say about the “Crazy Cat Ladyâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Same thing they say about pompous Mormon men.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 7:02 pm"
Bigfoot isn't used to being challenged. He's right because he says he's right. facts and logic don't enter into the equation. That's what happens when you live in a patriacharchy. (sp-1)
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmStill waiting.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:07 pmChimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp, Chimp.
And for those with any ligering doubts about him ..... Chimp.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:07 pmIs Oy bigfeet a Mormon? I woulda sworn he was a Lessman.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmIs that actually Robert Dallek driving "the Straight Talk Express?" It can't be McCrazy. Way to go, Prof. Dallek!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmOne of the biggest problems we had in Viet Nam was that our soldiers couldn't tell friendlies from hostiles. Bigfoot's solution: nuke them all. Less than 5% of all Iranians call themselves "Islamisists" and believe in a world-wide Muslim caliphate. Bigfoot's solution: nuke them all.
Do you see a pattern here? It's called sociopathy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:15 pmBush, the appeaser? That's right, Ronjazz.
Osama bin Laden demanded that we remove all military bases from Saudi Arabia - Bush agreed.
Osama bin Laden demanded that the "secular dictator" of Iraq be removed from office - Bush agreed.
Osama bin Laden wanted a new premise for increasing al Qaeda recruitment - Bush gave it to him.
Osama bin Laden didn't want to be captured or killed - Bush pulled everyone out of Tora Bora and gave him a free ride.
Osama bin Laden didn't like our system - Bush has done his best to trash our consitution.
George W. Bush - Osama bin laden's best ally.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:21 pmWhere did my comment go?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmHey mods!
Col. Ripper, we've also Always Been At War With Oceania!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmTrolls talk tough, then run from a simple question. Sigh.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmYup, that's what George Bush is. Mind boggling.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmWW2 was winnable because we were fighting an invading army.
Vietnam and Iraq are not winnable because they're occupations. Occupations are neverending wars.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmO bigmouth; I will quote 5 deferment Dickhead Cheney here for you- and I quote: " F*CK YOU!!!"
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:32 pmO'Bigfoot - you, like blackball, seem to be operating under some false assumptions, but hey, you still believe the 9-11 hijackers were from Iraq so where should we begin to set you straight?
You know what's Crazy? That you're still posting after swearing that we're all too offensive.
Now go have some quality family time discussing mass murder of Muslims, as you've advocated in your posts above.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmbigfoot split for dinner. he's off nuking a big beef burrito.
his lady is helping him w/ all the complicated buttons he'll
be needing to push.
nuke 'em all, o bigfoot! nuke every big godda*n beef burrito
you can get you big fuzzy o bigfoot hands around.
nuke the burritos!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:20 pmlibtards love their cats more than anything
trust me
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmnuke the cats?
i can't do that... i just will not.
what else you up for nuking tonight, guy?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:40 pmmilk and cookies and cats are all i need in my moms basement
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:46 pmhow do we tell the difference between the good cats and
the evil cats?
it seems like that - right there - would be where things get tricky.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmPaying attnetion to Bush hurts my head, more so than Fieth. If not scolding reporters for comparing Iraq to Viet Nam, after stating that learned the lessons from Viet Nam, and then comparing Iraq to Viet Nam in a pitch to maintain the surge. Which, by the way, isn't a surge, it's an escalation! Lewis Carrol has nothing on these guys.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:55 pmHey, there might be WMDs in the cat box. I swear at times they're as lethal as chemical weapons!
Come to think of it, could cat sand be from Iraq? Alert the neocons - Confiscate all cat boxes, al Qaeda has already invaded the Homeland and hidden WMDs in litter boxes. Damn those terrorists - they are determined to destroy us, we are one cat poop away from total annihilation!
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August 22nd, 2007 at 9:15 pmIt's very simple. The Ineptocrat-in-Chief is saying it's all our fault. If we had sent him into the 'Nam in his National Guard Delta Dagger instead of letting him off on his military olbligations to work in the Senator's campaign. He would have fixed it just like Iraq.
Held on until someone competent could take over and take the blame.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmHow do you nuke an abstract concept?
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Mecca is not an abstract concept.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmMecca is not an abstract concept.
Comment by m12
mecca is in the middle of one of our allies. but at least you're willing to attack the country that had the most attackers on 9-11.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pmMecca is not an abstract concept.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
True. However it is a city in Saudi Arabia. The last time I checked they were considered allies. Among our only allies in the region.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmhow do we tell the difference between the good cats and
the evil cats?
it seems like that - right there - would be where things get tricky.
Comment by alp3 — August 22, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
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RagingGurrl will keep us safe from cats. make sure to have lots of milk and cookies for food in basement.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmm12 - so you want to nuke Mecca a city of 1.4 million people? And what town do you live in? Because, do you think they should retaliate by launching a bomb there first? I'm in NYC and I think, since you rightwing idiots so deperately want another 9-11, why don't you all take the hit next time. We deserve a break.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmWe should bomb the kaaba, there is no need to nuke the whole city.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmalrighty then.
so we have Iran, kaaba, Mecca, possibly some cats,
and big beef burritos.
what else do you friendlies feel like nuking on a wednesday evening?
popcorn? that's easy, and i can do it in under 4 minutes.
that's some seriously instant, gratification.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmWe should bomb the kaaba, there is no need to nuke the whole city.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Have you ever tried to crack a walnut with a 16lb maul? I'm afraid there wouldn't be mush nut left. Also, how do you convince the Russians and Chinese they aren't next? Don't you stupid trolls realize that the use of nukes would end the existence of the country you claim to love?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 pmAVGVSTVS - you are insane. Typical Republican chickenSh*t. Come on big talker. Join the army and do some of this killing you crave to do. No. Of course you won't. You want someone else to do the killing for you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 pmBush ran away from Vietnam - didn't spend one day in combat, so I hope he keeps trying to compare the Iraq war to Vietnam. We'll keep remembering Cheney's deferments and Bush's party days doing cocaine and going AWOL for his drug tests.
Hey, Im a libtarded TP moonbat:
Your mom wants her underwear back.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmDon’t you stupid trolls realize that the use of nukes would end the existence of the country you claim to love?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
eh... pete. where ya been, man? that's a whole bunch of stuff to
be realizing - especially on hump day. Catch 'em on a Sunday.
they seem to like sundays... w/ extra nuts.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmAlso, how do you convince the Russians and Chinese they aren’t next? Don’t you stupid trolls realize that the use of nukes would end the existence of the country you claim to love?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
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Libtard, I didn't say NUKE the kaaba!!! I just said that it should be bombed!!! Not all bombs are nukes!!!
Liberals, you guys really need to work on your reading comprehension.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmHey alp3. I'm just bored and thought I would try some new "troll baiting" tricks. I don't really expect positive results. Keeping to the moral high ground and such.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 pm"What exactly is your resonable point? that you dismiss a historian because he doesnt’ agree with your master? make a resonable point and your get a resonable response, spew your usual crap and that comes back at you.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:49 pm"
Exactly, just as all of you parrot the anti-American claptrap spewed by your "leaders" here at TP. Every person who comes back from Iraq with good news is immedieately discounted as a shill for the administration. This difference, they have been there, and they know what they saw. Folks here know nothing but what the editors of TP allow them to see. If information does not agree with your pre-concieved points of view, you dismiss it.
Fact is, we are in Iraq, we will continue to be in Iraq. We had better be successful in Iraq, because if we aren't, our children will pay for it.
You folks wishing the United States to lose in Iraq are the traitors, and you should all be treated as such.
Check the law concerning traitors, and you will know what I mean.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmTake a chill pill, RagingGurrl.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmAVGVSTVS - go play with yourself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmYou folks wishing the United States to lose in Iraq are the traitors, and you should all be treated as such.
Check the law concerning traitors, and you will know what I mean.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
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Amen to that, my brother.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 pmHave you ever tried to crack a walnut with a 16lb maul? I’m afraid there wouldn’t be mush nut left. Also, how do you convince the Russians and Chinese they aren’t next?
Unlike the Islamic fundamentalists, the Chinese aren't trying to destroy Washington or New York with a weapon of mass destruction.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 pm"Don’t you stupid trolls realize that the use of nukes would end the existence of the country you claim to love?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:50 pm"
Nope, there are different levels of nukes. Low level nukes. Nukes for defoliation of jungles. Neutron bombs with kill people, but leave buildings and other structures intact.
Then there are the annhialation nukes. To be used sparingly and as a last resort, ala' Harry Truman, the Democrat's Democrat.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmLibtard, I didn’t say NUKE the kaaba!!! I just said that it should be bombed!!! Not all bombs are nukes!!!
Liberals, you guys really need to work on your reading comprehension.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
First, I'm less "liberal" than Ron Reagan. Second, my IQ is considerably above average. Third, when "bomb" and "nuke" are used in the same sentence one tends to connect the two.
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
However, you do realize the danger of "bombing" the holiest site in all all of the "Islamic World", do you not?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 pmnukes? bombs? bombs? nukes?
ey, you guys. have you ever built a potato gun?
you could aim that at the middle east.
why i bet, with your collective intelligence and all, you guys could do
some serious freakin damage w/ a 50 pound sack of spuds.
heck, you could use the sack for camouflage!
right there is a win/win situation ... for you that is.
them dudes would be sorry, they ever messed w/ youz guys.
and you'd look good too!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmHowever, you do realize the danger of “bombing†the holiest site in all all of the “Islamic Worldâ€, do you not?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
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Sure. Muslims will have to rethink their faith, because they will not be able to complete all of the 5 pillars. Namely, it will be impossible for them to complete the Hajj.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmHey! BigO is back. Now I can ask my earlier question, again.
Explain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I’m missing something?
And how would nuking anyone make our troops jobs easier?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmhey AVGVSTDV's,
i'm rethinking mine right now! faith that is...
you boys are really on to something.
fresh, and new! sell it, guy...
sell this sh@t!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 pmHey alp3. I’m just bored and thought I would try some new “troll baiting†tricks. I don’t really expect positive results. Keeping to the moral high ground and such.
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
The trolls love TP because they know how influential they've been in changing the dialog about the war in Iraq. The majority of Americans want the troops home and trust Democrats with the security of this nation.
Sites like Thinking Progress, Crook and Liars, Media Matters, Daily Kos, to name just a few, have made a significant difference.
These trolls jump on to vent their anger at the progressives here in the comment section who chose to discuss the stories with other progressives. But they disrupt our conversations and when we call them on it - they say "take a chill pill". Or attack us.
The bottom line is, they're afraid. And they should be.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmo bigfoot has been off nukin' every big beef burrito in 3 counties.
guy is full!
ease up a little on the furry little son of a gun.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmhis wife done fell asleep.
Sure. Muslims will have to rethink their faith, because they will not be able to complete all of the 5 pillars. Namely, it will be impossible for them to complete the Hajj.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
So are we to assume that bombing the Vatican (just a hypothetical bombing), or Jerusalem, would force the world's Christians to rethink their faith?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe bottom line is, they’re afraid. And they should be.
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Being an endangered species must be scary. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmComment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
No. Why would we?
Islam has 5 fundamental tenets, one of them is that ever Muslim has to make a pilgrimage to the kaaba. No kaaba = no Islam as we know it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 pmIslam has 5 fundamental tenets, one of them is that ever Muslim has to make a pilgrimage to the kaaba. No kaaba = no Islam as we know it.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
Hmmm. I would guess that the smoking hole would strengthen their resolve. Kind of like the WTC.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmthat'll learn 'em.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmooooo, grab the air fresheners quick! and the anti-BS spray(found at Spencer's Gifts). o big mouth is back, with his burritos, and refried beans and a massive flatus(gas) attack.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmSure. Muslims will have to rethink their faith, because they will not be able to complete all of the 5 pillars. Namely, it will be impossible for them to complete the Hajj.
Comment by AVGVSTVS
Ahaaaaaa - What an IDIOT. Because let's say, if someone blew up your church, you would just rethink your religion.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 pmPerhaps those millions of Muslims you claim would need a pilgrimage to rethink, might want to visit you.
BigO still hasn't answered my question. I'm waiting.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 pmHmmm. I would guess that the smoking hole would strengthen their resolve. Kind of like the WTC.
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
umm... you seem to be having trouble understanding something.
The Hajj is one of the essential duties of every Muslim. You are not a muslim if you do not complete these duties (5 tenets)
Therefore,
No Kaaba = No Hajj = No Islam as we know it.
Here, read a crap wikipedia entry about the 5 pillars of Islam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_of_Islam
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pm"Explain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I’m missing something?
And how would nuking anyone make our troops jobs easier?
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:11 pm"
First off, you presumption that our military is "bogged down in a pointless occupation" is wrong right from the start. We are not "bogged down" in anything. We are winning, and progress is being made every day.
The point was to get rid of a dangerous dictator who was developing and seeking WMD's. We did that. Mission Accomplished.
We could not leave Iraq in a leadership vacuum at that point. That would have invited mob rule, anarchy, another dangerous dictatorship, etc. We'd be back in 10-20 years to start over from the beginning. As an example, if "Jimmah" Carter had taken care of Iran when he had the opportunity, we wouldn't be having to deal with Iran's nonsense now.
Now we are attempting to help the Iraqi's build a democracy. A noble ideal, and a noble effort. Insurgents have flooded in from Iran, Pakistan, etc. Rival factions are fighting for control. Much as the gangs in our own cities fight for control. We could simply leave, and let them kill each other off, but once again, our noble ideals won't allow that. And once again, we cannot allow the leadership vacuum.
Now, on to how this all makes us safer: It's very simple. If we are fighting them, and they are killing each other off, over in their own sandbox, they simply cannot plan and organize as effectively as if they are left to their own devices, with all the time in the world to put together they're plans of destruction. If their leadership can be sought out and killed over there, they cannot come here.
We can not afford to give the Islamic Terrorists the freedom to be able to put together more 9/11's. The pressure must remain on them, not us. They must be on the defensive, we must be on the offensive. Their acts are not criminal, they are military. A court will do nothing but make for jailed heroes. Dead terrorists will be forgotten.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmComment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
You are unbelievably ignorant about the religion of Islam.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 pmBigO still hasn’t answered my question. I’m waiting.
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
that's because you're way up there on the ole moral high ground.
these dudes hate mushrooms!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 pm"Sites like Thinking Progress, Crook and Liars, Media Matters, Daily Kos, to name just a few, have made a significant difference.
These trolls jump on to vent their anger at the progressives here in the comment section who chose to discuss the stories with other progressives. But they disrupt our conversations and when we call them on it - they say “take a chill pillâ€. Or attack us.
The bottom line is, they’re afraid. And they should be.
Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 10:16 pm"
No, the reason we are here is because you people are so full of yourselves you need a reality check once in a while.
Fact is, the majority have never heard of the lib blogs you list. The only reason Daily Kos is now more well known is because Bill O'Reilly took them on his national show and got some of their sponsors to wise up. The rest of them are "also rans".
I don't come here out of any anger at all, as you do. I come here for entertainment purposes mostly. I have fun reading the claptrap and kook liberal nonsense, and then I stir the pot just to see what outrageous stuff you nutroots will say next. If I can stir enough, maybe Bill O. will mention some of it on TV, that would be a hoot!
Either way, it's fun for me to stomp around once in a while. I know I am right, and I am completely comfortable with my beliefs. I grew out of my "liberal" phase in Junior High School, when I got a job and had to manage my own money and life. I couldn't afford to be a liberal anymore when I didn't have someone else's money to spend. And I certainly never had it in me to try to run someone else's life, so conservative I am.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 pma pot stirrer,eh? nuke some soup.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmNO AVGVSTVS.
You are unbelievably naive and undeniably demented, not to mention you have no ability to realize how devastating the results would be in carrying out such a boneheaded action.
I wouldn't put you in charge of cleaning out a cat's litter box.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmDallek's Da Man!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmOnce again BigO (sorry, it won't let me post your full moniker) I ask a simple, two part, question.
Explain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I’m missing something?
And how would nuking anyone make our troops jobs easier?
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmComment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Take a chill-pill and read a book.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmO. Bigfoot,
You admit to being here to disrupt, and that is an aggressive maneuver on your part. It is also destructive - you do nothing to build your position up, you exist only to tear other positions down to your level.
But that does not work here. You see, we all know what you're doing - it might be the kind of thing to do that is entertaining to you, and to Bill O'Reilly, your hero, to mislabel and misjudge people, to call them traitors, or members or the KKK to "stir things up" but that is a sickness that he has and for some reason, trolls have as well.
I have never had the desire to go to a conservative website to disrupt their conversation, it would be disrespectful and unproductive. Why waste my time? Your rants, and the rants of other trolls are so transparent and do nothing but strengthen our positions. And are you that delusional to think that you are an evangelist for the conservative cause here on TP? That all we need to do is hear your words and we too will be saved? I think you are, and you are not doing this to amuse yourself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmOoo AVGVSTVS,
There you go with your chill pill again. Go to Hot Air where they don't have any sense and won't challenge you. They like to talk about killing people there - you'll be far more comfortable chillin' with them, dude.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmWhatever you say, Gurrl...but I think you are really overanalyzing this thing...
I never said anything relating to disrupting things here. I said I am here to provide a reality check. You folks preaching to the choir give you a sense of power you really do not have. The same people, saying the same outrageous kook nonsense, unchecked, makes you all think you really mean something.
Fact is, most folks don't give a rat's about what is said here. It's all time wasting entertainment. I don't care for video games, so here I am. Apparently, for a good part of the day, some of you have nothing better to do as well.
At the same time, you all need to realize that your wild conspiracy theories and kook liberal nonsense doesn't really play in the mainstream. Not everyone thinks like you.
I apoligize if this frustrates you all when Pelosi and Reid and the rest of the Democrats (and America as well) don't cowtow to your wishes, but they know where their bread is buttered.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmSo are we to assume that bombing the Vatican (just a hypothetical bombing), or Jerusalem, would force the world’s Christians to rethink their faith?
Muslims try the latter all the time!
It is time the Mutual Assurance Doctrine was extended to Al Qaeda, wherever they may hide.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmhttp://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29078820070821
Leaflets said to warn of Iran move into north Iraq
SULAIMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) - Kurdish authorities in northeastern Iraq said on Tuesday they were investigating the authenticity of leaflets warning villagers to evacuate ahead of an Iranian military offensive against Kurdish rebels.
Hundreds of villagers have fled their homes in Iraq's mountainous northeast while others hid in caves after what local authorities said was days of intermittent shelling by Iran across the border.
Looks like they are trying to harm our troops.....
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmlooks like it's time to cash in on your agreement to help the locals.
"hundreds of villagers have fled their home."
clean out that spare room yet? these are the people you are liberating
young-dumb, m12. get on the good foot, and do what you can for the cause!
cause we all know you will not be joinin' up... fighting them over there...
..so you don't have to fight them over here.
right?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amLooks like they are trying to harm our troops…..
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Looks like they're tired of the Kurds; but not enough to kill innocent civilians. How civilized.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 amBased on psychiatric examination of his mannerisms and behavior over the past seven years, Bush has repeatedly time and time again proven himself mentally unstable, completely out of touch with reality and unfit to serve as commander-in-chief of the united states armed forces. He and Cheney are endangering our nation.
Either they immediately step down willingly, or we the people impeach them both for war crimes.
Your move 'loyal bushies'.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:56 amDoes anyone feel a DRAFT???
A couple of weeks ago, a Republican floated a trial baloon over reinstating the military draft.
Now, Bush draws a comparison between his Iraq War and the Vietnam War, with the one major difference being that we had a military draft back then, while today's military is all-volunteer.
I think these two events, though weeks apart, are connected.
And corresponds with the recent Bush/Cheney-generated hysteria associated with their wanting to attack Iran and today's "leak" that this attack will occur within the next six months.
If this attack does occur, then I foresee not only a draft being called for due to the expansion of Bush's war beyond Iraq's borders, but I also foresee the collapse of the U.S. economy sometime early next year, brought on not only by Bush/Cheney insanely attacking Iran, but also by their calling for martial law nationwide, shortly after any retaliatory attack by the Iranians inside the United States.
This is the chain of events I see happening unless Bush and Cheney are stopped. Impeach them both NOW. Save our country.
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:42 amend vietnam/iraq with massive public protest
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 ampoor President Bush.
Doesn't anyone realise that noone suffers more than him?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 am>She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?
>- O. Bigfoot
I don't know what's more pathethic, the possibility that your like most trolls here, pretending to be people they arent (lawyers, soldiers, PhD holders), or the alternate possibility that you truly do have 5 children and are actually sitting on your high and mighty moral pedestal/keyboard, thinking you and your dreams of nuclear genocide are the pinnacle of ethical thinking.
Go outside, spend some time with your kids. Your obviously a very unhappy person if you have five little ones, and a wife and you actually need to spend time arguing on the internet just to pretend like your actually doing something for your cause. You think what your masters tell you to think. Saddam is bad. Except when he killed the muslims we wanted him to kill.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 amThere is nothing america cannot accomplish. America is magic. America can make Iraq a different sort of democracy than the one the Palestinians elected. yah yah... the proof is in the pudding. Your such a smart guy, with such good judgements, why dont you make some predictions about world events for the next few years, and lets see how many of them come true. Because so far, the people you support are batting about "zero" when it comes to iraq.. hopefully you've got better judgement than them.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.democracy/
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:49 am" But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country's nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren't as "lofty" as they once had been. "Democratic institutions are not necessarily the way ahead in the long-term future," said Brig. Gen. John "Mick" Bednarek, part of Task Force Lightning in Diyala province, one of the war's major battlegrounds."
The lesson of Vietnam is to not lie the American people into a war we don't need to fight. The same is true of Iraq. Iraq is in a civil war just like Vietnam had an unbeatable guerrilla war. We didn't leave Vietnam soon enough and it cost us too many American lives. We are making the same mistake in Iraq. The mistake in Vietnam like in Iraq is not getting out sooner enough.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:57 am