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Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’»

In his speech to Veterans of Foreign Wars today, President Bush declared that the lesson of Vietnam is that we must not withdraw from Iraq. UCLA historian Robert Dallek, who has written about the comparisons of Iraq to Vietnam, says Bush is “twisting history” with his new analogy:

“It just boggles my mind, the distortions I feel are perpetrated here by the president,” he said in a telephone interview.

“We were in Vietnam for 10 years. We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in all of World War II in every theater. We lost 58,700 American lives, the second-greatest loss of lives in a foreign conflict. And we couldn’t work our will,” he said.

“What is Bush suggesting? That we didn’t fight hard enough, stay long enough? That’s nonsense. It’s a distortion,” he continued. “We’ve been in Iraq longer than we fought in World War II. It’s a disaster, and this is a political attempt to lay the blame for the disaster on his opponents. But the disaster is the consequence of going in, not getting out.”

(HT: Karen Tumulty)




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274 Responses to “Historian: Bush’s ‘distortion’ of Vietnam ‘boggles my mind.’”

  1. Tobey Tall Says:

    I saw his speech on British TV news ,,,man hes scraping the barrel


  2. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Impeach Bush and Cheney!


  3. bobwurst Says:

    Unfortunetely bush will have plenty of supporters, in the media and in the public (as witnessed by the trolls who post here) who will mindlessly repeat the lie, any lie, as long as bush says it first.


  4. Vice President Bush Says:

    The best part is his tone in which he “explains” this crap to us as though WE’RE the idiots here.


  5. ForTruth Says:

    Just when you thought all the \”we lost the will to win in Vietnam\” delusionals were safely in their dust bins, Bush hauls them out, and asks for advice on his next speech.

    Did Karl determine its been long enough that no-one will remember, or know anything about Vietnam? Probably right.


  6. CD Says:

    I suspect all of Bush’s former History teachers have commited suicide in the last couple of years.


  7. Tobey Tall Says:

    then after Bushes speech some guy from Freedom watch, made an ass of himself and the newsreader said to him “your not bipartisian at all your from the Bush camp”

    from that moment on he got stick


  8. Menehune Says:

    Remember, Remember. The surge of September.


  9. Uncle Sam Says:

    He’d say anything to hold on to the oil and create a boom market for the Military Industrial Complex.


  10. Buck Fush Says:

    Twisting, distorting and lieing are what Bush does best. You can easily tell when he is lieing though….his lips are moving.


  11. Dan Says:

    Does George Bush think we are closer to 1973 in Iraq, or 1964?


  12. nanlichi Says:

    Yeah Bush, Custer quit too soon too.

    What a stupid little monkey. That cocaine cut some pretty deep channels didn’t it?


  13. mongo Says:

    Of course, the biggest irony of all is that bush “majored” in history in college.


  14. Midwest Product Says:

    How could anyone in the Administration possibly have thought it was a good idea to compare Iraq with Vietnam? What’s next, a speech by Mr. Bush about comparing his economic policies to Herbert Hoover’s?


  15. Tobey Tall Says:

    he makes a great “commander in Grief”

    whats he gonna say next ” no good crying over spilt Oil”


  16. LibTeenie Says:

    The best part is his tone in which he “explains” this crap to us as though WE’RE the idiots here.

    Because its true.

    I notice the libtrolls here dont seem to be spending much time on the other wars that America has fought in, why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?


  17. Zimzone Says:

    Trained monkey spewing ca ca.

    The only part of Viet Nam Bush remembers is waking up in a motel room, hungover & stoned, realizing he was late for duty.

    So he never showed up.

    Chickenshits, the lot of ‘em.


  18. nanlichi Says:

    He may have majored in history, but like all good cheerleaders, he earned his grades through late night sweat equity.


  19. TerrytheTurtle Says:

    Ah the good old “Stab in the back” theory. It worked for Ludendorff and Hitler in 1919, it’s good for another turn around the Beer Hall.


  20. missmolly Says:

    Bush is running out of ways to stay politically relevant until he leaves office. To many, he’s past that point. Now he looks just desperate.

    If he could just give some meaningful and accurate comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam — you know, something that indicates he grasps the complexities of either conflict — he might have something.


  21. Menehune Says:

    Perhaps GW will again don his letter sweater and once more lift his megaphone to give the American public a hearty sis-boom-bah. We, as a nation will turn our caps backward and wave our terrible towels and shout our approval. And the Generals will make a stunning comeback to upset the Insurgents in OT! Next week we take on the Mullahs for the title. Go Team!


  22. TerrytheTurtle Says:

    I have a thesis to posit: that the Iraq War is in fact an extension of the Vietnam War. The United States has never come to terms with the Vietnam War and same as the German Army in WWI has blamed the loss on a “stab in the back” from the “libruls” at home.

    Iraq 2003 is an attempt to exact revenge on the “libruls” for Vietnam….


  23. Abby Says:

    A more apt anology would have been to the wingnuts beloved WWII.

    We all know what happened to Hitler and Germany after it, like us, embarked on a path of preemptive wars to “protect it’s national security”.


  24. bobwurst Says:

    “why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?

    Comment by LibTeenie”

    Because bush just brought it up, you moron.


  25. neo troll Says:

    Um, but us trolls were always telling the liberals not to compare Iraq with Vietnam. Now I have to change all of my talking points.


  26. SUE Says:

    Shrub has single-handedly turned Yale into a second tier Ivy League school


  27. JG Says:

    I watched his speech this morning. All I could do was sit there and shake my head.. It is so amazing to me the things that come out of his mouth..


  28. Jer3Saw Says:

    There is one difference between Vietnam and Iraq.
    Chimpy had a plan to stay out of Vietnam.


  29. Tobey Tall Says:

    24 / you got him on that one ha ha ha ha so funny


  30. O. Bigfoot Says:

    How about Robert Dallek’s distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?

    Nobody. That’s who.


  31. Zimzone Says:

    Teenyweenie, “why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?

    How ’bout, as George Costanza rightfully declared, we go back to ‘The Moops’ War?

    Happy now?

    Dipshit.


  32. bobwurst Says:

    Bush doesn’t want to talk about WWII because his grandaddy sold gas chambers to hitler. bush doesn’t want to talk about the civil war because so many of his supporters think they lost the civil war. Bush is conflicted by the revolutionary war since he thinks he’s king.


  33. Angry One Says:

    If the President’s misuse of the lessons of Vietnam sounds familiar, it should. After all, just last week 2008 Republican White House frontrunner Rudy Giuliani said virtually the same thing.

    “America must remember one of the lessons of the Vietnam War. Then, as now, we fought a war with the wrong strategy for several years. And then, as now, we corrected course and began to show real progress. Many historians today believe that by about 1972 we and our South Vietnamese partners had succeeded in defeating the Vietcong insurgency and in setting South Vietnam on a path to political self-sufficiency. But America then withdrew its support, allowing the communist North to conquer the South…The consequences of abandoning Iraq would be worse.”

    For the details, see:
    “Bush, Giuliani and Iraq as Vietnam.”


  34. SGold Says:

    I notice the libtrolls here dont seem to be spending much time on the other wars that America has fought in, why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?

    Comment by LibTeenie — August 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

    Name another war the U.S. was in where we had the military advantage that lasted as long as the current conflict with no clear end in sight.

    Don’t worry, I’ll wait.


  35. Menehune Says:

    #22… that’s like shooting yourself in the head to prove a point. This crew, I wouldn’t put it past them.


  36. emerald Says:

    Bush may have been a history major but at the time Viet Nam wasn’t history. Those who couldn’t buy their way out were living it.


  37. leporello Says:

    This Executive distorting history and misstating facts? I’m shocked, do you hear me, shocked to hear such a thing! Why you’d think that he wasn’t willing to listen to others or ignore reality!
    That’s sarcasm, in case anyone mistakes it.
    Impeach Bush, Cheney and Gonzales and Save the Constitution!


  38. dcr Says:

    bush was partying and AWOL while 58,700 American men his age were turned into hamburger in Vietnam… is he suggesting that we should have sent more americans to their deaths? moronic.


  39. bobwurst Says:

    “How about Robert Dallek’s distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?

    Nobody. That’s who.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot ”

    This is who rober dallek is, and why he has the credibilty to question the president.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dallek

    Who are you to question dallek’s credibilty, troll?


  40. bobwurst Says:

    bigfoot, where are you? cutting and running? typical republican.


  41. emerald Says:

    #22 -I certainly think that you are at least partly correct. A certain part of our society has been trying to re-fight Viet Nam since we pulled out. This time they concentrated on controlling the message and repressing dissent from the start.


  42. Tobey Tall Says:

    August 14th Yazidi Bombing Toll Updated: 572 Dead, 1,562 Wounded


  43. Egreggious Says:

    IMHO, getting out of Vietnam (i.e., “losing”) was the best thing we could have done. Sure, it was bloody after we left, but it was better than the alternative of staying. Dominoes did not fall; the world did not become overwhelmed by Communism.

    That is the lesson of Vietnam I wish we would remember now.


  44. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “bush was partying and AWOL while 58,700 American men his age were turned into hamburger in Vietnam… is he suggesting that we should have sent more americans to their deaths? moronic.

    Comment by dcr — August 22, 2007 @ 4:53 pm”

    I doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.

    If he isn’t, I am.

    At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.


  45. chad Says:

    How about Robert Dallek’s distortion of history? Who is he to question the President?

    Nobody. That’s who.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot ”

    actually anybody can question the president as we have freedom of speech this is not a monarchy and Bush is not a king.


  46. Joel Says:

    In other news:

    CNN reports: “Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security.”

    And one again this administration back tracks from it’s “main goal.”
    So I wonder if they plan to attempt to resurrect Saddam…??


  47. RagingGurrl Says:

    “why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
    Comment by LibTeenie”

    Because bush just brought it up, you moron.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

    HAHA - bobwurst - that’s what I was thinking!

    Funny, this idiot LibTeenie comes to a liberal website and “notices” that there are liberal trolls in the comment section? (wtf?)


  48. chad Says:

    I doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.

    If he isn’t, I am.

    At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57
    hmm yeah simply math 2 billion muslims against 300 million Americans. Seems like good odds.


  49. toasterhead Says:

    I doubt Bush is suggesting we should have sent more Americans to their deaths. Perhaps he is suggesting we should have nuked them.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    How do you nuke an abstract concept?


  50. chad Says:

    And one again this administration back tracks from it’s “main goal.”
    So I wonder if they plan to attempt to resurrect Saddam…??

    Comment by Joel — August 22, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

    LOL weekend at bernie’s ?


  51. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Who are you to question dallek’s credibilty, troll?

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 4:54 pm”

    Who am I? I’m the fellow who doesn’t give a damn about what Dallek has to say. Dallek is a mere college historian from UCLA. He’s not anything more, nor anything less.

    To me, Dallek’s opinion means less than President Bush’s opinion means to you.


  52. RobertDallekisideologicalandundereducated Says:

    This “historian” (read: ideologue masquerading as a professor) is nothing but a partisan and fanatical ideologue; he also proves that many in academia lean shamelessly to the leftarded side. He failed to disprove Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison. Like the scores of intellectual cowards and debate-impaired progtards here, the “historian” failed to challenge and thus disprove Bush based on Bush’s arguments. Instead, this sheeple-zombie of a historian just unimaginatively regurgitated leftarded talking points where he demonized Bush. This “historian” is such a chronic imbecile that even I can teach him a lesson about how Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison is apt. Bush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.


  53. chad Says:

    why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?
    Comment by LibTeenie”

    Because your President just talked about it today maybe just a thought. As he has consistently said that 9/11 changed everything and that Vietnam was not a good analogy to our current situation and now is using the analogy as an excuse not to leave.


  54. Badger Says:

    But America then withdrew its support, allowing the communist North to conquer the South.

    And what was the aftermath of this ???Viet Nam has joined the WTO, and is becoming an asian economic powerhouse.
    China, whom we fought the Viet Nam War to “contain”, is making practically every manufactured good we buy, and is ironicaly lending us the money to fight the Iraq war, by buying up our debt.

    If Bush had really understood the lessons of the Viet Nam War, we would not be in the quagmire that we find ourselves in today.


  55. LibTeenie Says:

    Because bush just brought it up, you moron.

    He also brought up WWII and Korea, or are you cherry-picking your talking point comparisons?


  56. mongo Says:

    “Comment by O. Bigfoot”

    Oh yeah??!!?? Same to you!!!

    Only more of it!!!


  57. toasterhead Says:

    LOL weekend at bernie’s ?

    Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm

    The man hired a LOT of look-alikes who have been out of a job since 2003. We could easily bring Saddam back.


  58. nanlichi Says:

    So O. Bigfoot, what is it about Bush that you like? Is it the warm feeling you get because your daddy says everything is ok? Or is it just the way his balls slap your chin?


  59. Saasquatch Says:

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    I think you’re lying to us.
    I doubt you ever installed cable or now make food deliveries.
    I think you are a treadhead who works at Big O Tire, drives an oversize pickup to compensate for your masculine insecurities, and Bigfoot is the name of the tires on it.


  60. Pretty Pretty Bird Says:

    Dont worry about it Teeners, these libdolts spend their time jacking-off over photos of Castro, they dont have time to be intellectually honest.

    They cherry-picked because the other wars dont jive with their worldview, which is “America sucks”.

    They are assholian assaloids, every one.


  61. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “actually anybody can question the president as we have freedom of speech this is not a monarchy and Bush is not a king.

    Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm”

    Actually, Britishers can question the Monarchy as well. However, the Monarchy remains the Monarchy.

    Iraqis could question Saddam Hussein as well. However, if Hussein found out about it, he would have that Iraqi killed.

    See, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.


  62. nanlichi Says:

    So did Pretty Bird finish his meal of rotten maggot infested carrion?

    KKKarl is ready for his back rub little guy, better hurry.


  63. Tobey Tall Says:

    Bush pledges support for al-Maliki
    US president says he has confidence in Iraqi leader amid comparisons with Vietnam.

    Bush said that pulling US troops out of Iraq was not an option.

    “As long as I am commander in chief we will fight to win… I’m confident that we will prevail,” he said.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/English

    SAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY


  64. Brittany Hume Says:

    So Bush is a complete dope.What else is new?


  65. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “How do you nuke an abstract concept?

    Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm”

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.


  66. Pretty Pretty Bird Says:

    So O. Bigfoot, what is it about Bush that you like? Is it the warm feeling you get because your daddy says everything is ok? Or is it just the way his balls slap your chin?

    Shut up Paul Smockio, before I decide to revoke your posting rights. Get back to licking your dog’s ass.


  67. root Says:

    After being a College Student in the late 60’s early 70’s I never would imagine being able to say - that Nixon was saner than Grim Reaper Bush.


  68. Egreggious Says:

    To me, Dallek’s opinion means less than President Bush’s opinion means to you.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

    That’s simply impossible.


  69. chad Says:

    See, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

    I wasn’t talking about Iraq or Britain I was talking about a U.S. citizen’s right to question the government and specifically the President of the U.S. Try to deal with the issue at hand instead of avoiding it.


  70. Pretty Pretty Bird Says:

    SAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY
    Comment by Tobey Tall — August 22, 2007 @ 5:07 pm

    You got that right, girl.


  71. toasterhead Says:

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    Ohhh - good plan. So how do you separate the people who are pro-abstract concept from the people who are anti-abstract concept so that you don’t harm innocent people with your nuclear weapons?


  72. Anne Says:

    Ha @ #28. That was the only plan Bush seems to have had that worked. I find it very interesting that Bush has moved from “don’t compare Iraq and Vietnam” to “compare Iraq and Vietnam”. I wish this idiot had a mind so he could make it up. I’d love to see some quotes from the past about how the comparison was wrong and then contrast them with what he said today.


  73. RagingGurrl Says:

    Wow - how amazing to see the outcry of concern for Iraqi civilians from the rightwing nut trolls on this liberal website.
    RobertDallekisideologicalandundereducate - what about the over 600,000 Iraqis that Bush has killed so far? Not much of a problem for you - and you’d like to stay and kill more.
    O. Bigfoot - is so concerned he’d like to nuke all of Islam.

    We’re not buying your fake concern - it’s just another spin to try to prolong the war. So try your snotty arguments out on some of your mentally challenged friends. Have a party. We’ll be busy planning to get the troops out of Iraq.


  74. Charles Alente Says:

    So how do you separate the people who are pro-abstract concept from the people who are anti-abstract concept so that you don’t harm innocent people with your nuclear weapons?

    Use the leftist method: focus groups.


  75. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Comment by O. Bigfoot

    I think you’re lying to us.
    I doubt you ever installed cable or now make food deliveries.
    I think you are a treadhead who works at Big O Tire, drives an oversize pickup to compensate for your masculine insecurities, and Bigfoot is the name of the tires on it.

    Comment by Saasquatch — August 22, 2007 @ 5:04 pm”

    Just as it is with your liberalism, you have the right to believe anything you wish, however incorrect and wrong-headed it may be.

    However, when you show your ignorance on one subject, and present it as fact, you also damage and weaken your other arguments.


  76. Art Says:

    One, Two, Three,
    What are we fightin’ for,
    Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn,
    I’m goin’ to…

    That’s what’s missing. We need some more good anti war songs.


  77. Egreggious Says:

    Dont worry about it Teeners, these libdolts spend their time jacking-off over photos of Castro, they dont have time to be intellectually honest.

    Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

    Does anyone know if there are any recent photos of Castro available online? Preferably scantily clad?

    Is Britain a monarchy?


  78. dim wit Says:

    Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

    That simply isn’t very nice. We love our country. We seek to protect all American’s rights which is why we take issue with your leaders. We are, in fact, the true Americans.
    America doesn’t suck.
    (and i believe the correct spelling is “assoloid”)


  79. nanlichi Says:

    I think Pretty Bird likes having soldier’s blood on his hands. He uses the blood for a lubricant when he gives Bush a hand job. Then he licks the gooey mess off his fingers before he sit down to do battle with the progs.


  80. blogbob Says:

    Did Karl determine its been long enough that no-one will remember, or know anything about Vietnam? Probably right.

    Comment by ForTruth — August 22, 2007 @ 4:39 pm

    Are you kidding? No one remembers that we fought Iraq in 1991, let alone Vietnam in the 60s and 70s.

    I am amused that when Bush says “we” he does not mean “you me, and him.” He means “everybody BUT me, Shooter, and our kids.” Must be nice to have “other priorities” that exempt one from service to one’s country. Or maybe like Twit’s kids, they can all just go to Iowa to campaign for Rudi or Fred.


  81. LibTeenie Says:

    So try your snotty arguments out on some of your mentally challenged friends. Have a party.

    Careful, Bigfoot has a lot of liberal friends; that will be one large party.

    Get the cops involved and close down the streets.


  82. Egreggious Says:

    Daryll thinks we should nuke the homosexuals.

    Let’s start with San Francisco and the hell with the collateral damage.


  83. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “I wasn’t talking about Iraq or Britain I was talking about a U.S. citizen’s right to question the government and specifically the President of the U.S. Try to deal with the issue at hand instead of avoiding it.

    Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 5:10 pm”

    No avoidance at all. It merely appeared that you needed a little lesson in reality. I am always up to that task when it is necessary.


  84. Chris L Says:

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
    #

    What is the name of the conflict in Iraq? (Hint:Operation Iraqi Freedom).

    Wouldn’t that whole concept (the idea that we are there to free Iraqis) go out the window as soon as we start “nuking” them?


  85. Juan C Says:

    You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.
    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    Oh, ignorance…such a bliss.


  86. Badger Says:

    I can’t believe Bush wants to talk about Viet Nam either. He must be wanting to shore up his 28%ers.
    One Big difference between the Viet nam War and the Iraq War….THE DRAFT!


  87. Juan C Says:

    Let’s start with San Francisco and the hell with the collateral damage.
    Comment by Egreggious

    no, you will find more gay people in a GOP convention.


  88. Pretty Pretty Bird Says:

    Come on manlicky, you can do better than your last post, Ive seen better insults in the DNC Handbook.

    Quit fingering your dog and CONCENTRATE.


  89. Egreggious Says:

    What is the name of the conflict in Iraq? (Hint:Operation Iraqi Freedom).

    Wouldn’t that whole concept (the idea that we are there to free Iraqis) go out the window as soon as we start “nuking” them?

    Comment by Chris L — August 22, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

    Chris, haven’t you grasped the concept of Newspeak yet? :-)


  90. toasterhead Says:

    No avoidance at all. It merely appeared that you needed a little lesson in reality. I am always up to that task when it is necessary.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

    Answer my question please. Post #71. Chop-chop!


  91. nanlichi Says:

    Pity the poor trolls. They are so devoid of attention that they will do anything to fill that hole in their souls, even posting nonsense to get a rise.

    I had a dog once who would eat her own shit and vomit it up on the porch for attention. Just like a troll, it didn’t matter what kind of attention.

    We had to finally put a hole in her cranium to match the hole in her soul.

    Pretty Bird? Picking up any clues here? Just saying…………


  92. Juan C Says:

    I think Bigfoot´s wive “falls” a lot.


  93. bobwurst Says:

    He also brought up WWII and Korea, or are you cherry-picking your talking point comparisons?

    Comment by LibTeenie

    I’m responding to the article posted. here’s a well thought out response to the korea comparison:
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/024795.php
    read it and whine.

    why don’t you make a comparision bigmouth or are you too stupid?


  94. ronjazz Says:

    why is it ONLY Vietnam you care to reference in relation to Iraq?

    Comment by LibTeenie — August 22, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

    Ask the Deserter-In-Chief, he’s the one pointing it out. You are especially thick lately, littleteeniedick. Drinking more now? Taking after the Moron-In-Chief?


  95. Juan C Says:

    Quit fingering your dog and CONCENTRATE.
    Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird

    We have another Einstein, folks.


  96. Pat Says:

    Off topic…but not really. A great article by Joe McClatchy:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/18991.html


  97. root Says:

    I have one…

    There’s something happening here.
    What it is aint exactly clear.
    There’s a man with Executive Privilege over there.
    Tellin me I got to beware.


  98. chad Says:

    How do you nuke an abstract concept?

    Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 4:59 pm”

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    I think what he’s trying to say is everybody in Iran, Iraq and throughout the middle east are not terrorists are you condoning indiscrimately nuking entire countries.


  99. Chris L Says:

    At least in Vietnam we had a clear defined enemy, the NVA. And a clear goal, prevent the NVA from overtaking South Vietnam. In Iraq we have no clear mission, enemy, goal or exit strategy. The Sunnis are the enemy because they supported Saddam, and Al Qaeda is Sunni. Also the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq are Sunni. Except we are arming Sunni militants and working to protect Sunni neighborhoods from Shia extremists. So the Shiites are the enemy, after all, most are being aided by Iran. Except that the Shia were the main people oppressed under Saddam, and the ones we went there to “free”. So Sadr is a terrorist, but he is also an influential part of Iraq’s government.

    So essentially, our artillerymen and tank gunners can leave Iraq once they are a free democracy (their constitution declares them as an Islamic Theocracy, same as Iran), and once they have a good tax code.


  100. RagingGurrl Says:

    Egreggious -

    The trolls on this site are some of the most seriously stupid.
    Like that bank robber who dropped his resume on the floor while getting away. So, busted.


  101. Vietnamwillhappenagainiflibshavetheirway Says:

    This “historian” (read: ideologue masquerading as a professor) is nothing but a partisan and fanatical ideologue; he also proves that many in academia lean shamelessly to the leftarded side. He failed to disprove Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison. Like the scores of intellectual cowards and debate-impaired progtards here, the “historian” failed to challenge and thus disprove Bush based on Bush’s arguments. Instead, this sheeple-zombie of a historian just unimaginatively regurgitated leftarded talking points where he demonized Bush. This “historian” is such a chronic imbecile that even I can teach him a lesson about how Bush’s Iraq-Vietnam comparison is apt. Bush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.


  102. toasterhead Says:

    I think what he’s trying to say is everybody in Iran, Iraq and throughout the middle east are not terrorists are you condoning indiscrimately nuking entire countries.

    Comment by chad — August 22, 2007 @ 5:24 pm

    Of course it is. I’m trying to get him to admit that he supports genocide, but he’s not answering my question.


  103. ronjazz Says:

    At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war. One with no gray areas. This is how we should fight the war on terrorism against Radical Islam.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    To me, Dallek’s opinion means less than President Bush’s opinion means to you.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

    Wallow in your ignorance, coward. Show us how proud you are of your stupidity and lack of courage. Demonstrate as clearly as you can how much you hate America and freedom. with every post, you make the Left stronger and your own sad, sick little 20% weaker and more delusional. Keep it up, you’re all goners by 1/20/09.


  104. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “I think Bigfoot´s wive “falls” a lot.

    Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:21 pm”

    She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?


  105. ronjazz Says:

    Bush is right because: when the US withdrew in Vietnam, many innocent civilians were massacred; the same will happen in Iraq if the US pulls out prematurely. In Vietnam, the pullout was instigated by traitor politicians and the lib media; in Iraq, the same is about to occur.

    Comment by RobertDallekisideologicalandundereducated — August 22, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

    you like it better when american soldiers are given the orders to massacre families and torture innocents, don’t you? You’re another madman forcing the sane conservative Americans to abandon you and your party. No wonder officers are quitting and writing editorials; they know y8ou and you treasonous moron fellow travelers are far more dangerous to America than any Iraqi could be.


  106. ronjazz Says:

    Iraqis could question Saddam Hussein as well. However, if Hussein found out about it, he would have that Iraqi killed.

    See, Britain is a Monarchy. Iraq was a Dictatorship. There is a difference.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

    No facts there, more lies pulled form your ass.


  107. Chris L Says:

    The right wing has not always been so happy about the comparisons of Iraq and Vietnam:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/ goldberg/ goldberg200404121000.asp


  108. ronjazz Says:

    However, when you show your ignorance on one subject, and present it as fact, you also damage and weaken your other arguments.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:13 pm

    and you should know, it’s your main technique. Lie, and cover up. Typical repig.


  109. RUCerious Says:

    Bush is right.
    The VC will take over Saigon if we pull out of Iraq.

    Huh?


  110. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Answer my question please. Post #71. Chop-chop!

    Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 5:19 pm”

    You will have to ask TP to post the answer. I typed it in and submitted it to them. They have it stuck in their filter somewhere. Must have been a little too close to the truth for the editors.

    Sorry you will most likely never see it.


  111. Chris L Says:

    “In fact, I shouldn’t have to go on about the inanity of the Iraq-Vietnam comparison because it’s so silly. ”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/ goldberg/ goldberg200404121000.asp


  112. bobwurst Says:

    “Who am I? I’m the fellow…”
    bigfoot.

    you’re a fruitpie pal, a hostess blueberry fruitpie.


  113. toasterhead Says:

    She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

    Hey, Bigfoot’s wife - do you ever cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about the bigoted moron you married? If not, you should. Whatever you do, PLEASE don’t let this idiot knock you up. For the good of humanity.


  114. Zooey Says:

    Trolls go all batshit when they can’t un-write history.


  115. alp3 Says:

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    that sounds terrifying, O bigfoot. between you and little birdie, you have
    come up w/ some pretty scary scenarios. down right frightening in fact.

    tell me again, who should i be afraid of?


  116. Egreggious Says:

    You will have to ask TP to post the answer. I typed it in and submitted it to them. They have it stuck in their filter somewhere. Must have been a little too close to the truth for the editors.

    Sorry you will most likely never see it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

    What a wonderful dodge.


  117. Badger Says:

    At the very least, we should have waged an all-out war
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    Name one thing that Bush wanted, that the congress and the American taxpayers didn’t give him to fight this War in Iraq!
    Bush’s world class incompetence ,and lack of realistic planning…is the cause of our troubles .


  118. bobwurst Says:

    “I think Bigfoot´s wive “falls” a lot.

    Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:21 pm”

    She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot”

    And you’re holding her by the hair screaming at her, right?


  119. gummitch Says:

    Trolls go all batshit when they can’t un-write history.

    Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    Indeed. Distract. Make up sh!t. Hurl insults. Repeat as needed.

    Trolls are easy to program at any rate, although I suppose they don’t qualify as AI because, well, no I.


  120. nanlichi Says:

    I’ll bet O. Bigfoot’s response was brilliant and eloquent.

    Bummer that the dog ate it. Again.


  121. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Hey, Bigfoot’s wife - do you ever cry yourself to sleep at night thinking about the bigoted moron you married? If not, you should. Whatever you do, PLEASE don’t let this idiot knock you up. For the good of humanity.

    Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 5:34 pm”

    She’s laughing pretty hard right now. We already have five boys, who are being prepared to go out and spread the truth.

    Actually she’s the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: “If he want’s a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one.”


  122. RUCerious Says:

    I hope O.BigHenryFoot doesn’t get his clip on tie caught in the posting shredder. That’d be a real shame. He’d have to send his wive down to Ross or Walmart to get another one.


  123. bobwurst Says:

    hey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.


  124. RUCerious Says:

    are being prepared to go out and spread the truth.

    Keeerist, the tinfoil must cost a damn fortune.


  125. ronjazz Says:

    Shut up Paul Smockio, before I decide to revoke your posting rights. Get back to licking your dog’s ass.

    Comment by Pretty Pretty Bird — August 22, 2007 @ 5:08 pm

    you can try to revoke posting rights, but you have to get off of paul’s dog.


  126. Zooey Says:

    What a wonderful dodge.
    Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    Bigfoot’s dog eats all my best comments too.


  127. gummitch Says:

    hey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

    This is entirely out of line and uncalled for and serves no one. It’s racist and sexist and entirely juvenile.

    Knock it off!


  128. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “hey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm”

    Typical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.

    Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.

    Well, funny to us.


  129. nanlichi Says:

    Which wife is it O. Bigfoot from Colorado City? The one who was only 12 when her Daddy gave her to Uncle O., or the one you raped behind the statue of Joey Smith?


  130. bobwurst Says:

    hey bigfoot’s wife, do you know he goes to public restrooms late at night and offers black guys $20 to let him suck them off? He probably told you they were scary and he was just trying not to get hurt. he’s lying.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

    This is entirely out of line and uncalled for and serves no one. It’s racist and sexist and entirely juvenile.

    Knock it off!

    Comment by gummitch

    I’ll accept the juvenile label, but I’m not going to knock it off. the “oral “reference isn’t racist, it’s related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he’s going to post the crap he posts I’m going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.


  131. bobwurst Says:

    Typical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.

    Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.

    Well, funny to us.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    What exactly is your resonable point? that you dismiss a historian because he doesnt’ agree with your master? make a resonable point and your get a resonable response, spew your usual crap and that comes back at you.


  132. ronjazz Says:

    Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.

    Well, funny to us.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:42 pm

    You’ve studied the same history as Bush, which is none. Conservatives always get their heads handed to them, quite often literally. Liberals founded this country by defying the most powerful empire in the world, and beat them handily, because conservatives are cowards and lack imagination. The French aristocracy lost their heads in a liberal uprising. Hitler, a conservative of the first order, lost. Throughout history, conservatives are beaten down again and again, and never learn to be civilized and human. They keep returning to the unevolved state of jungle ethos, like the savages and barbarians they have not quite descended from. Liberalism ultimately wins, despite the setbacks of the savage monsters spawned by conservative psychopathy. America is the perfect example of liberalism winning and changing the world in doing so. You have completely destroyed whatever credibility you imagined you had with that supremely asinine, stupid, unresearched, kneejerk, ignorant statement. If you had a wife and kids, they would have you committed.


  133. hellinabucket Says:

    O. bigfoot, the responding posts to you aren’t typical libs and you know it. You don’t care to discuss but throw venom and then jump to another subject like many of the neocongaroos that post and run.

    There’s no need to insult your wife. There’s also no need to take you seriously when you don’t care to debate but only throw crap and run.


  134. Juan C Says:

    She’s right here reading this, why don’t you ask her?
    Comment by O. Bigfoot”

    Liar. No self-respecting woman would be with a person advocating genocide.


  135. RagingGurrl Says:

    Those boys of O. Bigfoot must be getting ready to join the army. If they’re not old enough, be sure to sign ‘em up when they’re ripe.

    He seems to like killing people. I’m sure there is a father of five Islamic boys that has similar thoughts about his family.

    How long do you want to keep this up? Liberals want to save both families. People like O. Bigfoot will destroy both.


  136. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “I’ll accept the juvenile label, but I’m not going to knock it off. the “oral “reference isn’t racist, it’s related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he’s going to post the crap he posts I’m going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:47 pm”

    Post anything of value? This entire website is devoted to nothing of value except demoralizing our military, lambasting our government and value system, and emboldening our enemies worldwide.

    Personally, I don’t care what is said about me. If the “progressives” on this website wish to stoop to gutter levels, that is entirely up to them, and clearly shows the thinking involved in the arguements leveled by typical liberals.

    However, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?


  137. yikes Says:

    Typical. When you cannot reasonable argue the point, you merely attack the person.

    Typical of libs, but sad as well. Which is why liberalism always ulitmately loses.

    Well, funny to us.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:42 pm

    I don’t support what bobwurst said but you have made no points to argue. First you call Robert Dallek a nobody (which by my standards is also an attack on him - which makes you a typical hypocrite). Nice opinion but no argument to be found in your statement. Then, you suggest we should nuke them (Iraq, Iran whomever you feel threatened by I guess). Again no arguments to back up this doosy.

    Typical con, all talk with no intellect to back up the talk. We find it sad and not very funny.


  138. Juan C Says:

    Actually she’s the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: “If he want’s a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one.”
    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    You are guilty of her sexual frustration. Not Iran.


  139. Egreggious Says:

    However, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

    My parents are welcome to read anything my children post.


  140. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Those boys of O. Bigfoot must be getting ready to join the army. If they’re not old enough, be sure to sign ‘em up when they’re ripe.

    He seems to like killing people. I’m sure there is a father of five Islamic boys that has similar thoughts about his family.

    How long do you want to keep this up? Liberals want to save both families. People like O. Bigfoot will destroy both.

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm”

    Actually, they are between the ages of 7 and 14. A little young for the Army. However, the oldest is planning to attend a Military Academy here in New Mexico next year.

    How many of your children will be serving, RagingGurrl?


  141. blackball Says:

    Robert Dallek is being intellectually dishonest. The number of casualties in Iraq is nothing compared with the losses we saw in Vietnam and WWII. Unless we want to just throw away all of the progress we have made thus far in Iraq, we need to secure a solid US victory, which is what Bush was saying. For Dallek to suggest that Bush meant we did not fight hard enough in Vietnam is absurd, and it is a strawman argument.


  142. RagingGurrl Says:

    Post anything of value? This entire website is devoted to nothing of value except demoralizing our military, lambasting our government and value system, and emboldening our enemies worldwide.

    WHY are you here? Obviously to disrupt people discussing a political position that is in opposition to yours. You are simply angry and have chosen this site to vent.
    You do not add to the discussion. And you are obviously deranged enough to call for the murder of millions of innocent people. No, you won’t find people of your kind here and never will.


  143. blackball Says:

    How many of your children will be serving, RagingGurrl?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

    If RagingGurrl has children, I doubt that any will serve. People like RagingGurrl have very little values that they are willing to fight for, and usually they do all they can to propagate this weakness of the soul in their children.


  144. nanlichi Says:

    The most vile, profane and disgusting thing I can imagine is sycophant’s support of killing our soldiers for Bush’s ego.

    O. Bigfoot is the stereotypical sycophant. They will defend Bush regardless of what the weak coward does. And why? Because they all believe Jesus whispered sweet nothings in George’s ear.

    Wife, think about it. Can you see the weakness in your husband? Can you see him hiding behind Bush’s skirts instead of being a man?

    Don’t answer out loud, I don’t want to be responsible for another “fall”.


  145. ronjazz Says:

    For Dallek to suggest that Bush meant we did not fight hard enough in Vietnam is absurd, and it is a strawman argument.

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

    It’s the argument that Bush made. Another victim of private schooling, it appears. the number of casualties in iraq is enormous, but well-hidden by a secretive criminal cabal that has taken your country illegally. Your support of same puts you in the same criminal class.


  146. RagingGurrl Says:

    I have two cats and I won’t allow either near this illegal war -
    I value their lives too much.

    And I’m doing everything in my power to bring our troops back to safety. I value their lives even more than you value your sons’.


  147. Badger Says:

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

    The number of casualties in Iraq is thankfully much less than in Viet Nam or WWII. but Nothing??? Tell that to the families who have lost someone over there.
    And the Damage to America’s standing in the world under Bush is staggering.


  148. ronjazz Says:

    If RagingGurrl has children, I doubt that any will serve. People like RagingGurrl have very little values that they are willing to fight for, and usually they do all they can to propagate this weakness of the soul in their children.

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:01 pm

    Only if she’s a Republican does that apply. Bush’s girls? Cheney’s girls? Romney’s 5 sissies? Please, you embarrass yourself.


  149. Egreggious Says:

    Unless we want to just throw away all of the progress we have made thus far in Iraq, we need to secure a solid US victory, which is what Bush was saying.

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

    We could throw away all the progress we have made in a small ashtray.


  150. gummitch Says:

    I’ll accept the juvenile label, but I’m not going to knock it off. the “oral “reference isn’t racist, it’s related to a recent event in the news about one of bigfoots pals. If bigfoot wants to post anything of value fine, if he’s going to post the crap he posts I’m going to respond in kind. quit being a concern troll.

    Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 5:47 pm

    I’m not a concern troll, but I’m disgusted by your behavior and it reflects badly on the rest of us. Suggesting that someone is giving bj’s to “black guys” for money isn’t racist? Bullsh!t.

    You think it’s OK to descend to the trolls’ level, fine, but don’t expect not to get called on it. It serves no purpose except to validate the nasty comments the trolls already make about “liberals.”


  151. pete Says:

    The trolls seem to be operating under the assumption that having “the most powerful military in the world” makes the U.S. immune. Well, let’s explore what has happened to some of the most powerful forces in history; in no particular order.

    1: The Spanish Armada. Defeated
    2: Ancient Greece. Defeated
    3: Rome. Defeated
    4: Various Asian empires. All defeated.
    5: Nazi Germany. Defeated, dismantled and utterly destroyed.

    Are you seeing a pattern? You see, when a Nation becomes a threat to enough other nations, said Nation finds itself fighting alone. And, what’s more, when a Nation is hijacked by criminal leaders, the Nation often rises against them.

    If the U.S. started “nuking” people it would result in our annihilation. Whether from within, or without, we would CEASE TO EXIST. Get it?


  152. RagingGurrl Says:

    blackball -

    You really need to find another playground. This is a liberal site. Why do the rightard trolls insist on spewing their venom here?
    We really must be getting under their skin.


  153. hellinabucket Says:

    But pete, you can’t explain that in a simple slogan that would sound like we win and they lose. It’s all in the packaging for the fools and the ones that follow them.


  154. nanlichi Says:

    And the “value” we are fighting for in Iraq is to not have to admit that Bush made a huge mistake. He is an inadequate coward and you pitiful trolls are here to defend your loser.

    My boys are fighters and they have strong values. Putting their lives on the line for that weak little man is not the right fight.

    Afghanistan and OBL were the right fight. Bush’s War against Iraq is simply that, Bush’s War.

    And O.Biggo wouldn’t send his boys either.


  155. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Actually she’s the person I have often quoted when it comes to the President of Iran: “If he want’s a nuke so damn bad, we should just give him one.”
    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    You are guilty of her sexual frustration. Not Iran.

    Comment by Juan C — August 22, 2007 @ 5:55 pm”

    Oh, I can guarantee no problems in that regard. However, even if she was sexually frustrated, what would I care if she wanted to nuke Iran for it? Better them than me.

    Obviously, you folks wish to turn every argument into a personal one, and I am more than up to the challenge. However, it serves no purpose. Therefore, I will merely sit back an read some more of your drivel. However, my kids are home from school, so I will have to monitor what is posted, as a lot of it is innapropriate for their age group.

    Better yet, I don’t want them reading pornographic stuff at all, and since TP appears to be nothing more than a porn site at this point, I will have to switch to another blog for awhile.


  156. blackball Says:

    Your support of same puts you in the same criminal class.

    Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 6:03 pm

    I value their lives even more than you value your sons’.

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:04 pm

    How do “progressives” expect to convince anyone that you’re informed and thinking clearly with arguments like these?


  157. blackball Says:

    Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 6:04 pm

    Mary Cheney is an homosexual.


  158. blackball Says:

    Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

    All Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn’t happen too quickly.


  159. Zooey Says:

    However, I often wonder if the libs who post here allow their children to read the profane crap their parents post?
    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

    My son comments on TP from time to time, and lurks often. I’m guessing he’s read my stuff. So?


  160. pete Says:

    A strong military insures nothing. Might does not make right indefinitely.


  161. Egreggious Says:

    All Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn’t happen too quickly.

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

    Nuking Iran helps to ensure that it happens too quickly.


  162. RagingGurrl Says:

    O.Bigfoot is a phoney. He was called out and blinked.
    Very well. Good job, well done to all truth seekers.
    It’s an interesting thing - no response speaks volumes, eh?


  163. pete Says:

    What, no more wise words form bigO? I cry silently.


  164. DISTURBIA Says:

    The republicans think there are two versions to all history.

    They’re right.

    The right one and the wrong one.


  165. blackball Says:

    A strong military insures nothing. Might does not make right indefinitely.

    Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

    Nothing will guarantee indefinite longevity for a nation, but having the muscle to ward off one’s enemies is certainly a viable form of insurance.


  166. RagingGurrl Says:

    blackball are you still here? - And what is your point ? We make very serious comments here.


  167. ronjazz Says:

    How do “progressives” expect to convince anyone that you’re informed and thinking clearly with arguments like these?

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:09 pm

    We don’t. You’d need to be able to think for yourselves to understand the logic and factual basis of our arguments, but if you could do that, you wouldn’t be neandertal conservative reactionaries. But you show up here with your talking points, without a modicum of thought, intelligence or compassion behind them, so you get shelled. The fact that you’re incapable of learning is your own damn fault. all of history is against you, all the world is against you, you comprise a small minority of Americans, but you think you’re right. See, there’s no hope.


  168. ronjazz Says:

    All Nations eventually fall, but having a strong military helps to ensure that it doesn’t happen too quickly.

    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:13 pm

    having a strong military also assures that it will happen eventually.


  169. blackball Says:

    O.Bigfoot is a phoney. He was called out and blinked.
    Very well. Good job, well done to all truth seekers.
    It’s an interesting thing - no response speaks volumes, eh?

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

    The man’s children had just arrived home so, as he explained, it is no suprise that he closed out of this blog. Don’t be suprised when your vitriol turns people away from your views, and even makes people ignore you completely.


  170. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “O.Bigfoot is a phoney. He was called out and blinked.
    Very well. Good job, well done to all truth seekers.
    It’s an interesting thing - no response speaks volumes, eh?

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:16 pm”

    Blinked? Hardly.

    Some folks may be proud of their profanity, their Anti-Americanism, their lack of support for our military, and their willingness to be an appeaser rather than fight for what is right. I feel sorry for you, for you live your lives in bitterness and despair.

    However, I certainly don’t lose any sleep over it.

    After all, RagingGurrl: You know what they say about the “wierd cat lady”?


  171. Buck Fush Says:

    You don’t. You merely nuke the people who believe in that abstract concept. Thus, destroying it.

    Comment by O. Bigfoot

    You are so stupid that it makes my head spin. I am amazed that your own mother did not drown you when you were born, she should have seen that you are evil and not only evil but stupid evil.

    Do the world a favor and stop using perfectly good oxygen, you are wasting it.


  172. ronjazz Says:

    Some folks may be proud of their profanity, their Anti-Americanism, their lack of support for our military, and their willingness to be an appeaser rather than fight for what is right. I feel sorry for you, for you live your lives in bitterness and despair.

    However, I certainly don’t lose any sleep over it.

    After all, RagingGurrl: You know what they say about the “wierd cat lady”?

    Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 6:24 pm

    Bush surrendered to Osama immediately and completely. he’s the appeaser, you’re just the tool he uses to shovel billions into his and his friends’ overseas accounts. You’re a simpleton.


  173. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Bush surrendered to Osama immediately and completely. he’s the appeaser, you’re just the tool he uses to shovel billions into his and his friends’ overseas accounts. You’re a simpleton.

    Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 6:26 pm”

    Uhhhh…yeah, ok. Whatever you say ronjazz…yeah, that’s the ticket!


  174. RagingGurrl Says:

    Yes - truly. He comments about dropping nukes on anyone who is believed to be radical Muslim - collateral damage doesn’t concern him. He has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don’t talk about a BJ!


  175. Badger Says:

    A strong military is a requirement of a strong nation these days..BUT.. what has Bush done to our Military???
    Our all volunteer Army is in danger of collapsing for lack of volunteers.
    Our $400 Billion a year military is unable to stop the IED”S and suicide bombers… a cheap and deadly answer to our high tech advantage.
    And this Asymetric Warfare is being spread throughout the Muslim world to insurgencies everywhere.
    And we are not paying the Bill for this misadventure…. we are charging it to the detriment of future American generations.


  176. blackball Says:

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm

    If you had children, you might feel differently.


  177. pete Says:

    Explain again please how keeping our military bogged down in a pointless (to put it kindly) occupation of a foreign country makes us safer. Perhaps I’m missing something?


  178. RagingGurrl Says:

    blackball - yes, sure his kids came home. That’s why he’s still on. Mass murder anyone? Let’s talk about a kid friendly subject like dropping nukes on people!

    Take your ball and play in traffic.


  179. RagingGurrl Says:

    O. Bigfoot you’re still here - oh my, my. What can I do to offend you?Please let us know. Obviously you all must enjoy talking about killing those nasty Muslims at the dinner table, sharing those nuke jokes with your wife and kids - what a lovely quality family you must have. and now with your eldest almost ready to join the military to do some killing on his very own. You must be so proud!


  180. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “Yes - truly. He comments about dropping nukes on anyone who is believed to be radical Muslim - collateral damage doesn’t concern him. He has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don’t talk about a BJ!

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm”

    We simply fight this battle against radical Islam in the same fashion they fight us. No quarter.

    They killed their own in the World Trade Center without blinking an eye. Collateral damage meant nothing to them.

    You think there were no Muslims in the World Trade Center or on those planes? Then you are absolutely nuts.

    Radical Islam has no regard for it’s own people, let alone for us. It’s up to Islam to police their own. In the absense of that, we must take up the job. Another 9/11 cannot be allowed. If it means the end of Islam as they know it, so be it.


  181. RagingGurrl Says:

    blackball - No. If I had children, I would still want you to take your ball and play in traffic.


  182. Zooey Says:

    He has no problem with mass murder, but for chrissake don’t talk about a BJ!
    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:31 pm

    Bigfoot posts almost as much obscenity as Mr Pee.

    The troll ought to start their own “Clinton’s BJ” blog.


  183. O. Bigfoot Says:

    “O. Bigfoot you’re still here - oh my, my. What can I do to offend you?Please let us know. Obviously you all must enjoy talking about killing those nasty Muslims at the dinner table, sharing those nuke jokes with your wife and kids - what a lovely quality family you must have. and now with your eldest almost ready to join the military to do some killing on his very own. You must be so proud!

    Comment by RagingGurrl — August 22, 2007 @ 6:37 pm”

    Hey Gurrl? May I have your permission to reprint this post and send it to our troops overseas? I am sure they would be most heartened to hear of your continuing support of our military.

    Congrats! You have come out of the closet as an open desparager of our military!


  184. Zooey Says:

    If you had children, you might feel differently.
    Comment by blackball — August 22, 2007 @ 6:32 pm

    I have children. I agree with RagingGurrl.


  185. blackball Says:

    RagingGurrl,

    You sound like you need to drop the cats off at a friends house this Friday, and invite one of the single men from your office home for dinner, or catch a flick with a friend. Don’t waste your life, enjoy some human contact while you are still alive and well! Hey, it may even help with your rage problem.


  186. RagingGurrl Says:

    O.Bigfoot - Bush has no regard for the truth - He went into Iraq instead of continuing to pursue those who were responsible for 9-11. You idiots bought into the neocon Iraq War. We Progressives did