DNI McConnell: ‘Americans Are Going To Die’ If We Keep Talking About Wiretapping
DNI McConnell: ‘Americans Are Going To Die’ If We Keep Talking About Wiretapping
Earlier this month, Congress caved to President Bush and passed legislation updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, vastly expanding Bush’s powers to wiretap American citizens without court oversight. In an extensive interview with the El Paso Times, National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell decried continued public discussion of the wiretapping program, claiming Americans, particularly in Iraq, would “die” because of the debate.
Q: So you’re saying that the reporting and the debate in Congress means that some Americans are going to die?
McCONNELL: That’s what I mean. Because we have made it so public. We used to do these things very differently
Despite forewarning of the death of Americans, McConnell freely “pulled the curtain back” on previously declassified information about surveillance in the interview. Explaining details ranging from secret court rulings to information on obtaining wiretapping warrants, McConnell “raised eyebrows” for his “frank discussion of previously classified eavesdropping work” conducted under FISA.
Some highlights of McConnell’s revelations:
Court ruling declared Bush’s program illegal on May 31: “After the 31st of May we were in extremis because now we have significantly less capability” when a federal court ruled part of the wiretapping program illegal, McConnell said.
Private sector actively involved in wiretapping program: “Under the president’s program, the terrorist surveillance program, the private sector had assisted us,” said McConnell. “Now if you play out the suits at the value they’re claimed, it would bankrupt these companies,” McConnell said, arguing for legal immunity for the companies when Congress returns from recess.
McConnell denies White House involvement: “The president’s guidance to me early in the process, was, ‘You’ve got the experience. I trust your judgement. You make the right call. There’s no pressure from anybody here,” McConnell claimed.
Thousands overseas are being monitored via warrants. “Offering never-disclosed figures, McConnell also revealed that fewer than 100 people inside the United States are monitored under FISA warrants. However, he said, thousands of people overseas are monitored,” states the AP.
Takes 200 hours to assemble a wiretapping warrant: McConnell alleged that “the issue is volume and time” as to why he was so adamant about pursuing warrantless wiretapping. “My argument was that the intelligence community should not be restricted. … It takes about 200 man hours to do one telephone number.”
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) said he believes McConnell declassified the information in this interview because he “wanted to push back on accusations that the legislation gave the attorney general unprecedented new powers.” “I think they felt they had to become more public,” said Hoekstra.
The Bush administration seems to believe it is permissible to talk about illegal wiretapping to save face, but not okay for Americans to question them about it.
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This is simply a precursor for what we know conservatives will say if there is another attack on our soil. They will, of course, blame the attack on Democrats.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:32 pmNeocon wingnuts now want to kill Americans!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:34 pmBoo. Hehe, tell em again Dick. BOO! Hehehe, see… Watch em run Dick. Do it again. Boo! Hehehe, there they go again Dick. Now their running back to the other side. Hehehe, I just love scaring em how bout you Dick?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:35 pmfear fear fear fear fear!! So, if we don’t give these people more power….YOU are going to die!
whew, what a relief. At least I’m now “safe”
Seriously, though, are people still falling for this garbage?
Terrorist will never, ever “destroy” America. they will never, ever end our way of life. They can’t.
The only way that will come is from within. From our own dirty, criminal politicians who love power more than your freedom.
Read on if you’d like:
“You Are Destroying America. Yes, You.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/you_are_destroying_america_yes_you
Give me a friggin break. Does he actually think that the “terrorists” don’t know that we are spying on them? How stupid does he think we are?
For the life of me I can’t understand how our government can’t figure out who the terrorists are when they had three days to wiretap without a warrant before the law was changed. If they can’t find them in the three days, or go to a court and convince the court that they have actionable data, then they are never going to be able to find terrorists.
The only reason why they wanted the law changed is because they don’t want anyone to know who they are wiretapping. Why is that?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 pmI’ve heard of ‘the killer joke’ but ‘the killer debate’?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmI’ve got news for you McConnell — people are already dying in Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmWho is that old woman…and how did she lose her hair?
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmMcConnell killed the last beaver in America and put it on his head.
Fish & Game is looking for him.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmAs usual, the douchebags at TP who intentionally and viciously distort everything out of the mouths of an administration member totally got McConnell’s intentions wrong. Furthermore, the problem regarding the leftarded scum’s double-standard when it comes to classified surveillance programs is their penchant for always revealing these, to the detriment of the US and the benefit of Al-Qaeda. To correct the douchebags at Toilet Paper, the Bush Admin. believes it’s correct to show instances where wiretapping has actually helped US national security, but it doesn’t believe that such classified programs should be divulged…as the leftards’ allies at the NYT have done, for instance. If the progtarded terror-abetters here don’t take the word of McConnell (who knows a hell of a lot more about threats to the US than the libs), then the progs are on record for believing that they think the US government is a bigger threat to their safety than terrorists.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmlol, i was just gonna ask what furry animal died on his head ZOO
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007
I quit reading at the fourth word and first ad-hominen projectionist rant.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:52 pmComment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Thanks for making your identity so obvious that we can skip your posts so easily. You do know almost nobody reads them, don’t you, idiot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:53 pmWell of course this zipperhead is being so adament. He’s the Director of National Intelligence and he doesn’t want anyone to take away his new toy. Noone is saying you can’t listen in on terrorists, we simply want sufficient oversight via warrents. How someone so daft could become head of INTELLIGENCE speaks volumes about this corrupt administration. BECAUSE Bush trusts this a$$hat only makes me more suspicious. If you’ve got nothing to hide McConnell…
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:56 pmWhen someone like McConnel tells you that you have to let them break the law or innocent people are going to die, how is that different from terrorism itself? Perhaps the best weapon against terrorism is not secrecy but courage and confidence in the power of justice.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 pm“We must have absolute power to protect the country”- Adolf Hitler & George W. Bush
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 pmDemocrats = The party of death and defeat!
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 pmmaybe what mconnell is saying is that the bush admin is going to start whacking dissidents.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:01 pmIt takes about 200 man hours to do one telephone number.
Holy crap. Who do they have doing this job? Jason M. Hendler? Is that 2 guys taking 100 hours each or 200 men taking 1 hour each? Sounds like a huge waste of money.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:01 pm“We must have absolute power to protect the countryâ€- Adolf Hitler & George W. Bush
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
The difference is Hitler had a higher IQ ……. and looked better in his uniform than Dubya in his inflatable codpiece flight suit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:02 pm… then the progs are on record for believing that they think the US government is a bigger threat to their safety than terrorists.
Comment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50
Can I go on record with that please?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:03 pmWill the dumbass troll still believe all wiretappings are legal when Democrats are running the government? My guess is no.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:04 pmComment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50
Can I go on record with that please?
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
See who is back, Eg? ast night was fun, though.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:05 pmI know that I die a little bit every time I hear another account of the immoral actions of my government.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:05 pmHitler had a higher IQ.-comment by upside00
True, also, Hitler was a bona fide war hero(won the Iron Cross 1st class- quite rare for an enlisted man).
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:09 pmComment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50
This is the same type person who also wanted smaller government [to drown it in a bathtub] or no government at all, who is now, ironically, supporting bigger government.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 pmSee who is back, Eg? Last night was fun, though.
Comment by upside00 — August 22, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
You guys went ballistic!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 pmLook it’s very clear. If there is another attack, it will be entirely blamed on the president. The TV heads can say what they want, we’ve all stopped listening to the BS long ago. McConnel’s giant cop out here indicates he doesn’t deserve to be in the job. Shameful really.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:10 pmDemocrats = The party of death and defeat!
Comment by veritas
Republicans= the party of projection and overcompensation for teenieweenies!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:12 pmTrue, also, Hitler was a bona fide war hero(won the Iron Cross 1st class- quite rare for an enlisted man).
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Oh yeah? Well….my grandfather was a corporal three times. :-)
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:13 pmIf we talk about things our government does illegally we will all die!!!!!!!!!AAAAHH!!!!!Die, I tell you…DIE!!!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:14 pmRepublicans= the party of projection and overcompensation for teenieweenies!
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Someone hijacked veritas’ name. It’s been reported.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:14 pmWe must listen in on the conversations of the Quakers or Americans will die.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:14 pmWonder what they’ll think about all that executive power when Hillary is sitting in the oval office?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:17 pmSomeone hijacked veritas’ name. It’s been reported.
Comment by Zooey
Mr Pee [WTIAL] is still up to his old tricks. Next he will namejack himself then whine about being namejacked and claim to to report himself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:18 pmZooey- is that really you or some namejacking troll?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:19 pm“It takes about 200 man hours to do one telephone number”
And he expects us to believe that. Give me a break. They have a template. They fill in the blank for the phone number and they fill in the blank for why they think this is a bad guy. I could do that in 15 minutes tops.
The thing these people don’t realize is that the more lies they tell, the less people are going to believe them. They don’t realize that the more outrageous their lies are, the less people are going to believe them.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:19 pm#19 comment by yikes: It takes about 200 man hours to do one telephone number.
Holy crap. Who do they have doing this job?
Just what I was thinking. He left out the decimal point after the 2 and before the zeros.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:21 pmZooey- is that really you or some namejacking troll?
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
It’s me, Uncle Ho! :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:22 pm200 man hours x 300,000,000 Americans.
That’s a lot of time.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:23 pmThey don’t realize that the more outrageous their lies are, the less people are going to believe them.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 22, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Hasn’t the FISA court essentially said that all they really need to do is say, “We think this dude is involved in terrorist activity, and need to wiretap him?”
Like you said, they must have a frickin’ form on the computer. 200 man hours, my ass.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:26 pm200 man hours x 300,000,000 Americans.
That’s a lot of time.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s ok, haliburton has outsourced the project to china.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:27 pmHiya Zooey!!! You set for another term in college? When will you graduate?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmIt’s ok, haliburton has outsourced the project to china.
Comment by bobwurst — August 22, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
GOD BLESS HALLIBURTON, CHINA, DICK CHENEY, & TOM TANCREDO!
YoohooOoOOoooOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOOoooOOOOoooOOOOOooooOOOOOOooo!!!!!!!!!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmAnd if all of the pretty girls don’t have sex with me, I’ll go blind. At least, that’s what the Doc said.
How ’bout it, ladies?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmits ok if Americans die as long as its by the constitution,
trust me
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmjust get them drunk, MA, libtard girls really like the booze!
ask Zo
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmIt’s OK if the Constitution dies. I hate our freedoms anyway.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmCan’t you just hide in the closet, for Christ’s sake?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmQ: So you’re saying that the reporting and the debate in Congress means that some Americans are going to die?
McCONNELL: That’s what I mean.
Americans are going to die because we let people smoke and drink. Quick, someone alert the DHSFDABATFNSAOVP.
Cheers,
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 pmHow ’bout it, ladies?
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Time to buy a cane, Marcus.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 pmI’m talkin’ to you, biotch.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 pmMarcus; send me your address, and I will send you that white cane you’ll be needing. :-)
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 pmjust get them drunk, MA, libtard girls really like the booze!
ask Zo Comment by Im a libtarded TP moonbat
As I recall, it was young Republican Michael Flory that raped a drunk girl. Ironically the drunk girl was a conservative.
Nevertheless don’t fall asleep around a conpervative.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:34 pm… the progs are on record for believing that they think the US government is a bigger threat to their safety than terrorists the Bee People.
Comment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:34 pm14 guys…….all night orgy…….=200 man hours… and that’s how the bill reads
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:34 pmDamn!
My strikeout code didn’t work. How do you do that?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmZo TPs resident boozer
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:36 pm“It’s OK if the Constitution dies. I hate our freedoms anyway”- comment by Egreggious.
Spoken like a true Nazi!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:37 pmIt doesn’t seem as though McConnell has captured a single terrorist. So what makes him think he is not wasting our money by spying on us?
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:37 pmI’m talkin’ to you, biotch.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
I thought your doc said pretty girls [not pretty desperate girls].
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:37 pmUncle Ho? Is that you? Come a little closer…my vision is fading…faaaadiinggg…!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pmSpoken like a true Nazi!
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
I guess I’ve been hanging around the trolls too much. :-)
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pmAnd you are the village idiot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pmZo TPs resident boozer
Comment by Im a libtarded TP moonbat — August 22, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Condi and I have drank her under the table many times. She’s a lightweight.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:40 pmNeocon wingnuts now want to kill Americans!
Comment by Not Canadian — August 22, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
That’s pretty much where we’re at, isn’t it? Let’s poison judges, hang reporters, and hope the terraists strike again to teach those damned libs a good lesson! Ye Gods… the degree of insanity is off the charts.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:40 pmthen the progs are on record for believing that they think the US government is a bigger threat to their safety than terrorists.
Comment by Wiretappingalwayslegal — August 22, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Careful, folks. This one’s liable to explode any second. What’s truly astonisihng is that a poster like this thinks he’s making us look bad, but any sane detached person would have to think he suffers from some raging, undiagnosed mental illness. Please continue on.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:44 pmThe Republic of Stupidity sez:
No need to “hope”, when generating another “terrorist incident” is so damned easy…
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmMcConnell is lying big-time, but all Bush Regime stooges lie. It’s part of their job to lie to Congress and the American public.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:49 pmFACT: The US Government IS graver threat to the American people than Osama Been Forgotten.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmHiya Zooey!!! You set for another term in college? When will you graduate?
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Yep, Uncle Ho, I just started the Fall semester on Monday. Graduate? Oh lordy, 2010 maybe. Heh. I’m starting from scratch.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmNo need to “hopeâ€, when generating another “terrorist incident†is so damned easy…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
True, and therefore scary…
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmSpeaking of college, I’ve been feeling pretty low lately.
I was thinking about enrolling at Regent’s and committing intellectual suicide.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:55 pmZooey sez:
Don’t feel bad, Z…it took me ten years to work my way through college. ^_^
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 pmI know you’ve all been having a lot of fun with Egg tonight, but I need his help “catering” another late-night “affair”.
So say good night, everyone. C’mon, Eggy, let’s go.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmI was thinking about enrolling at Regent’s and committing intellectual suicide.
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Hell, you don’t even have to enroll, just start believing everything BushCo says, and ask no questions.
You’ll be a goner, for sure.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:58 pmG’bye!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:58 pmGeez Marth, you spoil all the fun. :(
Have fun, Egg. Goodnight!
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:59 pmCBS NEWS: Bush video from veterans… yeah situation very dramatic… yeah just like Vietnam… no need to discuss the deficit
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:59 pm200 man hours…..how many people does that include? A manager, 3 workers, secretary…some interns, a courier, the mail room guy……..
Add that up and 200 hours goes quickly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmDon’t feel bad, Z…it took me ten years to work my way through college. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
If it takes me that long, I’ll just keep going to school until I die.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmStudent loans be damned. :D
I thought he said it takes about 200 man whores to do one telephone number. Jeff Gannon to the rescue. That man never sleeps.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmCareful, folks. This one’s liable to explode any second. What’s truly astonisihng is that a poster like this thinks he’s making us look bad, but any sane detached person would have to think he suffers from some raging, undiagnosed mental illness. Please continue on.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 22, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
I’m not sure it’s undiagnosed, but it’s sure untreated. I have the impression that the troll is completely exhausted after each one of these bursts of incoherence, because there’s never any follow-up comments. I think it has to go lie down and rest until the next thread appears and it has to crank out more of its fevered babble.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmComment by Zooey
The best way to leave this Earth, financially speaking, is to have the check you gave to the cemetary bounce.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmThat man never sleeps.
Comment by Dave C — August 22, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Except when he’s sleeping around.
All right, Martha, I’m coming!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmAll right, Martha, I’m coming!
Comment by Egreggious — August 22, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
Heh. I’m not saying a word…..
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmZooey sez:
Fortunately, I made it through college without incurring any debt from student loans.
Unfortunately, my better half has $40,000 of student loans outstanding… :(
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmI think it has to go lie down and rest until the next thread appears and it has to crank out more of its fevered babble.
Comment by gummitch — August 22, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
It certainly is mental illness.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmThe best way to leave this Earth, financially speaking, is to have the check you gave to the cemetary bounce.
Comment by dlet — August 22, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Ohhhh, that’s low. :D
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmZooey; it took me several years for 2 degrees. Financed by a combination of the GI Bill, monthly pay from mandatory weekend warrior(Naval Reserve) participation, and summer jobs.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmIt certainly is mental illness.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 22, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
At least it gets it out in one comment per thread.
I consider that a plus. :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmZooey; it took me several years for 2 degrees. Financed by a combination of the GI Bill, monthly pay from mandatory weekend warrior(Naval Reserve) participation, and summer jobs.
Comment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Cool. What kind of degrees do you have?
I figure it’s taken me this long to start college, it will take as long as it takes for me to finish. Right now, I’m letting student loans and scholarships pay for school and living on savings. I’ll probably start working next summer, at least part time.
I’m having fun!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:15 pmZooey- degrees in applied biology and medical laboratory technology.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmUncle Ho,
That’s impressive!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmclaiming Americans, particularly in Iraq, would “die†because of the debate.
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As DrXJ would say, “How so? Please explain.” (BTW, I really enjoy that response to troll droppings.)
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmAnyone connected to this gang has another agenda.The closer to the scource the more to lose.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmThe whole spy thing is only to protect themselves from people who are aware of the truth and may spread truth.Truth is this gangs enemy.
Come on! Talking about wire taps is going to kill people??
Remember when there was a law against yelling fire in puplic?
These guys have no real reasons for saying anything they say.
What this guy is saying now is only some noise.This has no real meaning.
They have run out of sensible logical word combinations.At least for most thinking people.
Keep talking about wiretapping and they’ll attack us, blame it on “terrorists”, and impose a police state while blaming the “liberals” for making it happen by emboldening the terrorists with all this “bill of Rights” talk. Hell, they may even have to round up the rest of the liberals just to keep the homeland safe.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmZooey; I did consider becoming a marine biologist, but didn’t think it had a steady employment prospect. What are you studying?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmOf course government secrecy and spying… on you and your neighbor offers more security than an open society… but that is fascism…not democracy.
And under a fascist setting both you and your neighbor also run the chance that any particular government might not like you and put you away secretly and without recourse to law.
From Wikopedia:
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pm“Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the needs of the state, and seeks to forge a type of national unity, usually based on, but not limited to, ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, statism, militarism, corporatism, populism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.”
So, now that unsupervised spying is allowed to go on, does this mean our new democratic president and future overwhelmingly huge democratic Congress may continue the spying as the president did… but this time spying on the republicans?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmi get drunk and go on TP just like TPs resident drunko Zo
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 pmIm a libtarded TP moonbat sez:
Big deal. So do I…
As an added bonus, I’m still able to use contractions properly while inebriated. ^_^
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pmComment by Uncle Ho — August 22, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Marine biology sounds fun, but you’re right, who would pay you to have that much fun? :)
I’m studying Sociology, but am considering switching to Psychology when my required courses are out of the way. I’ll have to see how things shake out.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 pmHey loons!
Hillary says the SUrge is working and you loons are still crying about the truth of what you did to us in Vietnam.
PRESIDENT Bush will not cut and run like the Democrats did then and want to do now.
I love watching him outsmart you whackos at every turn.
Troop funding….Fisa….The Surge….
Must be painful to wake up everyday hating your country and yourselves.
Now, back to the coming war with Iran and the self destruction of the Democrat party.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmCould it be that the disclosure by McConnell (that this article refers to) is being made in order to help deter Congressional inquiry, and lawsuits, regarding warrantless surveillance by the Bush administration; and in particular is designed to deter inquiry by the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding James Comey’s May 2007 testimony and related testimony by the Attorney General ?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmThe old joke goes “I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy”. It’s rather scary that some trolls have both.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmAs an added bonus, I’m still able to use contractions properly while inebriated. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
I type perfectly when I’m tipsy. :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmIf I could spend an evening with you, I’d cherish each minute that we’re together. I’d stare into your crazy eyes , and, without a single word, you’d know how much I want to sex you up.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 pm#99….
52 % of AMERICAN Hate Hillary….better not get your hopes up that thunderhips will win.
Now, back to the coming war with Syria.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 pmPOAC nailed it.
They’re setting us up for the martial law coup.
They don’t want us challenging their authoritay.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
You make me laugh so hard with your love talk for trollies. :D
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmHillary says the SUrge is working
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In Fantasy Land words are often spun from logical threads to whole cloth lies.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 pmHey, POAC:
Sorry, thought you was a troll (on second reading, I see that you’re not)! I really don’t want to sex you up, and I’m sure your eyes ain’t crazy. Please disregard.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 pm“thunderhips”. Why not discuss her cleavage too? The SCLM does. Come on, let’s discuss positions not thighs.
Syria’s not on the list for the US. The Israelis have them covered.
Tobey Tall had the scoop from IHC today about the scale of the attack on Iran.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmIf I could spend an evening with you, I’d cherish each minute that we’re together. I’d stare into your crazy eyes , and, without a single word, you’d know how much I want to sex you up.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
bravo, Marcus Aurelius!
bravo!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmThanks, Z. I’ll keep on posting, you keep on laughing!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmbetter not get your hopes up that thunderhips will win.
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If “dunderlips” Bush can win the presidency, it’s true that ANYONE can become President of the United States.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:39 pmI read the bulk of the interview. I think the Administration is trying to have it both ways. While they try to defuse any more calls for Congressional Inquires into the Illegal Programs, they are also saying that this is all the “Info your gonna get so F**K Off.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:39 pmCould backfire on them though (one can hope).
re your earlier post Cepan – please check my comments on the General Batiste thread. Thanks for supporting my thesis.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmchicky check,
microphone check 1
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXg6QOIsJERay Taliaferro – Directive 51 Dictator Bush
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmIf “dunderlips†Bush can win the presidency, it’s true that ANYONE can become President of the United States.
Well….Bush and Reagan seem to have always figure out how to make you loons do what they want.
How’s that majority working out for you?
PeLOSER and Harry “The Body” Reid are the pefect nutcases to represent the Democrat party.
This gets better each day.
Now, back to the coming attack on Iran as the Democrats cry about the mean old Republicans outsmarting them once again.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmPLC – anyone with enough money to run a “sock puppet”. I prefer the “any Organ Grinder can buy a Chimp” analogy though.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmchicky check,
microphone check 2
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmWhat really jumps out art me is how these guys and gals mange to obfuscate and confuse in such a way that you don’t know what the hell it is they are saying.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmI thought Nixon’s people were good at it, these guys make it an art form. Really scary.
That’s an interesting take on the geopolitical situation, but did you know that common warthogs have a polygynandrous mating system, and that adult males are usually solitary and join female groups briefly for mating. The females attract boars by sight and smell by urinating in a hunched position.
What are your thoughts in light of this?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmIf you talk about wiretaps, terrorists are going to find some other way to plot the killing of Americans, therefore, by making this public, Americans will die.
Are you happy now, liberals.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmJim Wolf359
It depends on what the meaning of “is”…..is.
Is that what you mean about obfuscate adn confuse????
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmOr is that just lying to a Grnad Jury?
Syria, now Iran. Can you tell your Shia from your Sunni, Cepan? if you can u r ahead of your Fuhrer. Or perhaps you failed geography – not surprising if you are an American.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmYes, but who watches the watchers?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmHey numbnuts: you probably won’t be able to hear anything untill you take it out of your ass.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmMarcus Aurelius
Did you know that 9 out of 10 people hate to be squished?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmJust checked out Cepan’s blog for the hell of it. This won’t be news to any of us here but Cepan, you are a MORON!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmSyria, now Iran. Can you tell your Shia from your Sunni, Cepan?
Who cares?!?! A terrorist is a terrorist!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmOh crap – Augustus just let the terrorists know we are wiretapping them. Oh sh*t now what?
Off to a navy brig in Norfolk with him that’s what I say!
/sarcasm off
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmagain:
Ray Taliaferro – Directive 51 Dictator Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXg6QOIsJE
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmJim Wolf359
A huge number of Bush’s people WERE Nixon’s people and they’ve been working a long time at their art form, waiting for the opportunity to elevate the presidency’s power and devalue the courts, Congress, the media, and the will of the people. Really scary, indeed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmCan’t you get anything right? It’s 10 out of 10.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmTerrytheTurtle:
We need to dust off the bombers and go after BOTH Syria and Iran.
Russian helped move the WMD’s into Syria….(which is why we still say there were no WMD;s in Iraq….can;t piss of the ex-KGB Putin now can we?
and Iran is supplying wepaons to Al Qeada in Iraq.
Get it now?
Or that too much for a non-American elitist to follw?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmJim Wolf359:
The truth hurts you loons.
There is more reality in one line of my blog than in your entire puny little lib brain.
You already know this…but you are INSANE!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 pmAnother typical genocidal comment from tonight’s tool, Augustus.
So, please enlighten us how you are going to spot the terrorists in Syria and Iran? be careful here – there’s a twist bear with me.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 pmPLC, yeah I just ran that list of people through my head, starting with Darth Cheney and Rummy. Then add people like Gonzo and Condi, among others to the list and it just goes to show that brains don’t qualify for this gang. Just stupidity and blind loyalty.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 pmcommon warthogs have a polygynandrous mating system, and that adult males are usually solitary and join female groups briefly for mating. The females attract boars by sight and smell by urinating in a hunched position.
What are your thoughts in light of this?
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
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Who knew that warthogs are the evolutionary advance of the pseudo-family value Republicans? I love coming to TP to learn. Professor Aurelius, you are the best!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 pmNASA admitted a few days ago that they made a huge mistake in temperature readings for the last 100 years. They had to admit 1934 was the hottest year ever, NOT 1998 like the “Global Warming” whackos use as the “proof” of disaster looming.
Chew on that loons.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 pmSo? Such a bunch of chickens.
Anyway, banning cigarettes would save many more lives.
But do you want to sacrifice your liberty to save (maybe) a few more lives?
Even if they save thousands of lives, it’s not worth it over the long-term.
We should be increasing liberty, as well as engaging in more positive constructive activity to spread happiness so that people no longer want to attack us.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmChickenhawk troll sure talks tough from his mom’s basement.
He’s in a hurry to start Dubya Dubya 3.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmAnother typical genocidal comment from tonight’s tool, Augustus.
Since when is talking about killing terrorists a “genocidal comment”?
What, do you think that we should respect the values of suicide bombers and other muslim extremists?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 pm“The truth hurts you loons.
There is more reality in one line of my blog than in your entire puny little lib brain.
You already know this…but you are INSANE!
Comment by Cepan — August 22, 2007 @ 9:51 pm”
Delusions of grandeur can be cured – check with your medical professional.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 pmOh dear Cepan rolled out the Russia-Syria-WMD connection..
If you don’t mind posters, please deal with Cepan – I am trying to eat my fish and chips.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 pmWhen your talking points and “facts” are all wing-nut trash that you got from Limpdick, O’lielly, Coultergeist, et; al, then I guess you could call the truth.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmA very warped and decietful truth that is, also known as a PACK OF LIES>
There is more reality in one line of my blog than in your entire puny little lib brain.
Comment by Cepan
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WOW! You mean, like, you know, as much reality as in the TV reality shows??
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:57 pmSince when is talking about killing terrorists a “genocidal comment�
When a$sholes like you think all 1.5 Billion Moslems in the world are terrorists.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:57 pmWhy are the repubes such chickensh1ts? It is totally inconsistent with their belief that they are going to everlasting glory when they die.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmWe gave saddam his weapons. Now we’re selling them on the open market all over the middle east. We also “lost” close to 200,000 assault rifles and pistols since we invaded Iraq.
You are a moron.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmAugustus – your position on Syria and Iran is that they are all terrorists, right? Therefore, your position on attacking both countries is to kill them all s ergo genocide.
Please explain your position if I have connected the dots correctly. Do you wish to exterminate all Iranians and Syrians – if not please elaborate?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmWrong Cesspan, and like the wingnuts, you cherry picked. 1998 still ranks as the hottest year on record, WORLD WIDE. The correction is for Climate records for the US. Check it out at the NASA website, which is something you where too lazy to do.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmTerrytheTurtle
Try Steak and eggs as you ponder the truth about Syria and Russia I gave you…..
NOw…back to Hillary and Nancy PeLOSER singing ” I am an ugly woman hear me nag.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmThose two Repuke trolls need to get a room.
And not their mom’s basement either.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 pm#156
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmOY!
There is more reality in one line of my blog than in your entire puny little lib brain.
Comment by Cepan
so that’s it, ey? awesome.
i thank the flying spaghetti monster for my puny little brain.
who the hell are you anyway?
the Hulk.
hrmmmph… Hulk smash puny little libtard!
hrummmph.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 pmAugustus – your position on Syria and Iran is that they are all terrorists, right?
Wrong. I said:
Who cares [whether they are sunni or shia]? A terrorist is a terrorist!
Anything you read into that is all you, liberal.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 pmCepan – what truth? Please explain. Use recognised news outlets and journalists. So far you are just a windbag who appears to have crawled out from under the Redstate.org rock just yesterday.
Best of luck finding your proof of what you have said. Without proof you sir are a liar.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 pmMarcus Aurelius:
Read the posts here for all but me and a few others and then tell me who the morons are…..loon.
as for you Jim Wolf666—–
You are WRONG….the figures prove the ENTIRE global warming scam is a lie.
It makes ALL the models AL “OZONE MAN” Gore and loons like you used to cry “The Sky is falling!” now seen for what they are …JUNK SCIENCE.
New York city had the coldest day EVER in AUgust yesterday…and you want to talk about so-called “Global Warming”.
Pathetic.
What will you do when in 10 years none of your scares come true?
Go back to global COOLING iike you anti-capitalist environmental whackos did in the 1970’s until the funding fried up?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 pmCepan; Proof of Russia moving moving WMDs from Iraq to Syria or you are a proven liar.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmAre the suicide bombers you refer to also the muslim extremists? Or are the suicide bombers and the muslim extremists two different groups? It makes a difference, you know.
And these ‘values’ you speak of – please list them in alphabetical order (unless, of course, they are numerical values, then you should list them in numerical order).
When posting on a blog, clarity is important – otherwise, people will think you’re an idiot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 pmOk Augustus – now tell me how you are going to sort the ‘terrorists’ from the local Syrians and Iranians. Lock em all up and stick broomsticks up their arses until they confess? Worked so well in Iraq. Try it again.
Come on – apply yourself. Jobs are opening at the White House everyday right now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 pmThe proof is here…
http://matwellworld.blogspot.com/
read the entire post….then spin twice in your chair and say ” I will never question an American Republican Conservative again.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 pmNew York city had the coldest day EVER in AUgust yesterday…and you want to talk about so-called “Global Warmingâ€.
Pathetic.
Pathetic is the word alright. Global Warming doesn’t mean that every day is going to be hot. That’s like saying “Tiger Woods didn’t play well yesterday, he’s not the best golfer in the world.” Pure unadulterated ignorance.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 pmChimpy didn’t even KNOW there were Sunnis and Shia when he invaded Iraq.
Stupid Repukes are going to start Dubya Dubya 3.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 pmUncle Ho:
Pick up the numerous books by Societ and Iraqi military men who moved them….
in the meantime….
prove Hillary is a woman are you are a loon lib….oh, that’s right…you are that already.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 pmCepan, provide proof, not the propaganda crap from the right wing that you call “Proof”. Otherwise, you’re a lair.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 pmJeez, these trolls are REALLY stupid. They’ll global warming deniers.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmsorry, but looking at the posts, there are a lot of sick individuals in here. next time you cash your unemployment checks you may want to seek out a doctor to give you a prescription for something a little stronger. a reality pill would be really, really good.
oh and while your in the queue, you might want to talk to the people around you, you’ll find that most want the same thing you want, a free ride, a free meal, the ability to rob the convenience store without having your picture taken, etc.
have a good night, oh, by the way, circle K records your every move
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmMarcus Aurelius
Sorry, thought you was a troll (on second reading, I see that you’re not)! I really don’t want to sex you up, and I’m sure your eyes ain’t crazy. Please disregard.
No worries. Click my name and you’ll see who I am.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmDave C :
Thank you loon for proving my point.
Every time there is a hot day all we hear is “Global warming did this…run away!”
Every time there is hurricane or a storm or your toenail hurts it is caused by “global warming” to you nutcsaes.
Now that I used your meathods against you you cry foul and finally see how intellectually dishonest you are all!
Congratulations!
You get a cookie!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmnow tell me how you are going to sort the ‘terrorists’ from the local Syrians and Iranians
Libtard!
If I told you that, Americans would die!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmCepan – you linked to someones blog. Bloggers can write any crazy shit – look at your posts for gods sake. Try a peer-reviewed science paper or two…..
What a mong.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmNo worries. Click my name and you’ll see who I am.
Comment by POAC — August 22, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
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Traitor. Moonbat. LibtardefeatocRAT.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 pmCepan, check that link you gave against the original article here…
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/246027
You’ll notice that on your link they omitted this bit of information…
NASA officials have dismissed the changes as trivial. Even the Canadian who spotted the original flaw says the revisions are “not necessarily material to climate policy.”
That’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s like GWB cooking the intelligence and only accepting/considering the parts that fit his needs. It tells you a lot about that site eh?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 pmEvery time there is a hot day all we hear is “Global warming did this…run away!â€
Actually that’s not true. It’s more often used the way you did, pointing to cold days. The Global warming folks usually point at overall warming trends. Educate yourself, it’s not that hard really.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmOh Augustus – you are a parody troll. Very droll.
I’m a poet and I didn’t know it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 pmPick up the numerous books by Societ and Iraqi military men who moved them….
Comment by Cepan
Did “Curveball” happen to write any of those books you are talking about? Or some of his good buddies that get special treatment when they tell lies that Bushie wants to hear? Yeah…those books….filed right next to the last Harry Potter book.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 pmCepen-books written by Ahmed Chalabi and curveball no doubt. Some proof. no doubt you think that ‘Mein Kampf’ is the greatest book ever written too.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 pmAl Gore: Cut the damn rigging free before we lose the mast!
Cepan: IIIICEBEEEEERG!
Al Gore: HARD TO PORT!
Jeff Gannon: It’s going to ram us!
Dick Cheney: It wouldn’t dare!
Total, stunning silence.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmDave C sez:
Nice catch, Dave C.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmI have a butcher friend who assures me that “meathods” are, indeed, foul and potentially dangerous if eaten raw.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmI think he’s hopeless Dave C. I think it’s time to ignore this particularly vile troll. Its pretty obvious that there is nothing left to argue with Cesspan.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmThat proves it: you’re an idiot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmDagaDagaDagaDaga
Cesspan’s going down in flames Biffo……… tally ho.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmJim Wolf359 —Tom3
The BELIEVERS in so-called “global warming” are the stupid ones.
No proof of it exists, not records for 1over 00 years ago exist to prove any of it….no proof of anyhting but made up and rigged computer models and the “hockey Stick”…which has been debunked.
(See the middle ages)
What is sad is that you are all lemmings going off the cliff and trying to take capitalism and the USA with it…well we are all sick of it and people have realized it is a scam.
Try something new to scare us all into giving money to the whacko groups…..like maybe the mercury in those new eneregy saving bulbs will kill us all.
Or how about this: Hillary and Obama will join forces and become the leaders of the “Ban Clothespin springs!” organization.
you are all lunatics and stupid people….go shave your heads.
Time to watch Foxnews for some sanity.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmCepan – you linked to someones blog. Bloggers can write any crazy shit – look at your posts for gods sake. Try a peer-reviewed science paper or two…..
Check the blog, it’s this dude’s own blog. So now he uses his own writing to prove that his writing here is valid. Yikes.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmYeah I noticed that about his blog also. Pretty lame if you ask me.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmMr Pee and his boyfriend, Cepan.
**yawn**
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmCepan sez:
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 pm
Cepan or bedpan? Both are full of excrement.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmAnd there we have it – Cesspool says that Global Warming is a matter of ‘belief’. Sorry sonny, science has been cleaning belief’s clock since Galileo.
That’s it – these trolls are broken please send better ones or Ill be off. Night all.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmThank you loon for proving my point.
Every time there is a hot day all we hear is “Global warming did this…run away!â€
Every time there is a cold day in summer all we hear is that “Global Climate Change is bunk….keep polluting!”
Every time there is hurricane or a storm or your toenail hurts it is caused by “global warming†to you nutcsaes.
Every time there is a snowy day in Buffalo in December it is because Global Climate Change doesn’t exist to you nutjobs.
Now that I used your meathods against you you cry foul and finally see how intellectually dishonest you are all!
I don’t know what a meathod is me thinks you is one.
Congratulations!
Thanks!
You get a cookie!
Hmmm…..oatmeal raisin…hmmmm…
Comment by Cepan
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmlame is as lame does, but of course i use both sides of my brain. forest would have been proud of you guys
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 pmDave C :
NASA is a hack political group when it comes to “global warming”
They got caught in a lie and STILL they have to pretend it means nothing.
I saw that part of the story, it is just not important since NASA had to be TOLD they screwed up.
It IS relevant to “climater change” and proves you are all liars and fools
Nice try though.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 pmHe calls that wimpy little thing a blog? I’ve seen women with bigger blogs than that.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmPretty lame if you ask me.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Did you really expect anything else? This is getting both very sad and hysterically funny at the same time. TP has become some sort of “Holy Grail” for these incredibly angry, irrational… Hell, I’m not even sure what they are.
Totally incoherent rants, delusional wack jobs quoting themselves to prove their “points”. Just… astonishing…
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmSorry to jump in late but, do illegal wiretaps prevent global warming?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 pmRepublic of Stupidity
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmYour right, gotta wonder what part of the body they are thinking from? but if they got their right hand out of their pants…..
#198- Marcus, that was too funny! ROTFLMAO! Oh man I needed that!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmSorry to jump in late but, do illegal wiretaps prevent global warming?
Comment by pete
Only if Haliburton can get paid somehow in the deal.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmSomeone might want to check how long Haliburton has been a prime contractor for the government. You might be surprised.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmYa’know, I have to agree with TROS, I have never seen the trolls worked up into a lather like they are on this thread tonight. Especially Cesspan. Pretty entertaining if you ask me. So many open shot to take on them, its almost too easy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmYour right, gotta wonder what part of the body they are thinking from? but if they got their right hand out of their pants…..
Comment by umbra
….then their left hand would be lonesome.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmI saw that part of the story, it is just not important since NASA had to be TOLD they screwed up.
Cepan, as I said, it’s intellectual dishonesty. You’re doing exactly as GWB does. You parse the data, accept the stuff you already believe & dismiss what you don’t. Many people do that. In your case you go further & actually remove data that you disbelieve from your blog rather then allowing your readers to think for themselves. That means you either think your readers are sheep or are too stupid to come to the so-called correct conclusion. Putting aside our differences this type of thing is just plain shady. You should know better. It’s indefensible.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmDont worry Cepan, intellecuctal honesty is read in tea leaves, not facts. Oh and if fred down the street says it, its true.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 pmGoodnight, Turtle!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 pmNo surprise here, Cesspool is full of you-know-what. Read his posts. I rest my case.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 pmUncle Ho, so your proud of the conclusion of the vietnam war, and you chose your name to honor the fall? are you vietnames? or just a traitor?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmHeh. Cepan sends us to his own blog for factual back-up.
What a tool.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmComment by umbra
So, exactly what kind of, um, bra are you?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmhey raven, you got a dictionary, look it up stupid?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmDont worry Cepan, intellecuctal honesty is read in tea leaves, not facts. Oh and if fred down the street says it, its true.
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
This most curious. Troll after troll comes here, makes totally disjointed and irrational comments, and they have not the slightest clue how absolutley nutty they come across as. JUST… AMAZING!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 pmlook it up stupid?
Comment by umbra
My, aren’t your panties in a bunch!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 pmAre you asking me to look it up, or telling me?
If your that stupid, its ok with me.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmYour right, gotta wonder what part of the body they are thinking from? but if they got their right hand out of their pants…..
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
My goodness… this is incoherent. What could you possibly mean? Care to explain yourself?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmits ok with me.
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
please explain why he’s so stupid. We’re trying to understand your reasoning.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmWhat a tool.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
Rather impressive, isn’t it?
“I’m right, because I say I’m right.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmmy, my, lets put it this way, has nothing to do with global warming, and if you have to ask the question, ask your boyfriend.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmI’ve read his posts, there is no reasoning apparent,
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmI’m just tweaking the cranky little bassturd!
LOL
**yawn**
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
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Well look who’s here! It’s Gooey!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 pmUncle Ho, so your proud of the conclusion of the vietnam war, and you chose your name to honor the fall? are you vietnames? or just a traitor?
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
You’re more stupid than you look, aren’t you?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 pmif you have to ask the question, ask your boyfriend.
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Ah yes, the obligatory sexual slur, yet still no facts or valid position.
Just petty insults.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 pmWell look who’s here! It’s Gooey!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
Where’s your boyfriend, Pee?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:53 pmohhh, im hurt zooey. wont sleep for weeks. cant argure with your reasoning
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 pmWhere’s your boyfriend, Pee?
Comment by Zooey
Tucking himself into his, umm, bra…
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 pm*squirt* *squirt* **SPLASH!!!!***
In a lib-chick’s eye!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pm*squirt* *squirt* **SPLASH!!!!***
In a lib-chick’s eye!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Probably STILL won’t explain what’cha mean, huh?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmThe republic of stupidity, what are you talking about, im still looking for any facts you posted. strange position you take, did you take that as a sexual slur? then im sorry, then ask your girlfriend, sorry a boyfriend was a slur.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmhey, augustus.
keep posting. you make such a great case for how not to be.
welcome to your future, kid.
foot/mouth.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pm“…strange position you take.”
Comment by umbra
Mr. pp is here now, and he can help you with the strange positions…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmAmericans will “die” if we talk about wiretapping?
Sounds like a threat.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmComment by alp3 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
What are you?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 pmRaven, since your no stranger to mr pp, go ahead and kiss him hello.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmohhh, im hurt zooey. wont sleep for weeks. cant argure with your reasoning
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Just the facts, man.
What’s “argure?”
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmjust another guy who doesn’t like what you think you stand for.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmHow come you gave up on Makarios, Mr. P?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 pmohhh, hurt again, argue sorry you couldnt make it out. mental block i guess.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 pmChicky check,
Microphone check 3,
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 pmYou’re tuned to the sounds of the notorious Mr. P
Zooey, why are you picking on umbra?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:06 pmPromise you won’t take umbrage if I do?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 pm…broadcast from deep within the impacted bowels of the Republican Party.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 pm*squirt* *squirt* **SPLASH!!!!***
In a lib-chick’s eye!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
What’s that about, Pee? Please explain.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmZ,
That’s just AVGVSTVS’ way of getting back at the hot liberal chick who dumped him in the 9th grade (last year). I really screwed him up emotionally. Now he hates liberals and women.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 pmavgvstvs that was a dumbass post. i know that anyone with common sense understands it but, hey, you gotta talk low class english.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmCorrection:
Although it is my goal to f**k him up in any way I can.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmWhy, umbra, whatever do you mean?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 pmThat’s just AVGVSTVS’ way of getting back at the hot liberal chick who dumped him in the 9th grade (last year). I really screwed him up emotionally. Now he hates liberals and women.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
Ah, I see. So basically, he hates everyone who is not him or troll.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmrefresh!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmMakarios
Cool site, good work.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 pmThanks, umbra.
I just set it up, so it needs work, but I’m pleased so far.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 pmonce i found it, had to read it. you did good. congrats.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm#
That’s just AVGVSTVS’ way of getting back at the hot liberal chick who dumped him in the 9th grade (last year). I really screwed him up emotionally. Now he hates liberals and women.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
Ah, I see. So basically, he hates everyone who is not him or troll.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
eh, i wouldn’t be too sure of that. morning mirror time may get complicated.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmeh, i wouldn’t be too sure of that. morning mirror time may get complicated.
Comment by alp3 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
He hates everything, especially himself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmMakarios
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmPretty good, couple of points to contest but overall excellent. Will make it required reading. You have any ‘test points’ you want to address?
zooey put your bra back on and go to bed, your used goods hon. goodnight
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 pmComment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Get bent, limp dick.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 pmPretty good, couple of points to contest but overall excellent. Will make it required reading. You have any ‘test points’ you want to address?
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
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The point of the site is to outline some of the major figures and events of the Western world. I want to make it as complete as possible so it is a work in progress. I’m not trying to stress the parallels of the past wars, but it is always helpful to learn from history.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmohhh, zooey your so vindictive, reach down to your knee…. forget it
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmComment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Also, if you find something unclear or that you disagree with, please let me know in the comments section. (ignore the trolls’ comments)
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 pmZ,
i’m not so sure what it hates.
i wouldn’t think twice about it. it’s always out to lunch…
lately it’s gotten more and more disturbing. it’s good to know that the
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmlatest attempts to get under you skin have fallen flat.
F*ck off, umbra.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmWe have to learn from history, but we have to put it in context
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmThis most be a GOPer troll convention on TP tonight > lol.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmThanks, alp3.
I should widen the scope on that. :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmzooey, love you hon, but you gotta get a life.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmlately it’s gotten more and more disturbing. it’s good to know that the
latest attempts to get under you skin have fallen flat.
Comment by alp3 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
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It has? I thought that things kind of settled down.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Coming from a loser like you, that means nothing.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmumbra,
That means absolutely nothing, coming from scum like you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 pmi like it so far, gotta run it by academy tomorrow, got it book marked, doesnt look too political. i think it’ll run
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 pmOh good, it came up twice.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmzooey, sorry hon, your so irrelevent
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmToo bad for you nutjobs a majority of Americans support wiretapping antiterrorist activities!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmumbra! welcome to the fold…. hows life in nowhere?
anywhere?
hows life when you can make nowhere somewhere in under two posts?
you little rascal. sleeping outside the rubber underwear for the second night
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmin a row! congratulations are in order, sweetie.
Goerring could’t have said it any better, Mr. McConnell.
Sieg Heil!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmComment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
You go to some sort of “academy?” They don’t teach you grammar or punctuation?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmToo bad for you nutjobs a majority of Americans support wiretapping antiterrorist activities!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Bullshit.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 pmpoor zooey, your a what?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmBullshit.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Yep, there’s a lot of that coming from this website!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 pmok, zooey, you said it, i agree
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmToo bad for you nutjobs a majority of Americans support wiretapping antiterrorist activities!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Bullshit.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
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Zooey, are you saying that the majority of Americans would not want terrorists to be under surveillance?
I disagree.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmpoor zooey, your a what?
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Thanks for making my point, moron.
Dismissed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmeh, Zoe.
i’m out of here. these folks have some really excellent, shitty drugs.
i can’t keep up.
see ya in the funny papers, and nuke burritos… friendlies!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmdismissed, zooey you mean discharged?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmWill the dumbass troll still believe all wiretappings are legal when Democrats are running the government? My guess is no.
Lyndon Johnson had no problems wiretapping the Senate building!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 pmMakarios
Thanks, got a lot of ideas on this. By the way UT. dont tell zooey
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 amWhat a comb-over! Dour drapehead.
Just like we’re not supposed to question our occupation of Iraq.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 amW.Clements
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 amspeak english
see ya in the funny papers, and nuke burritos… friendlies!
Comment by alp3 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
See ya, alp3. :)
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 amW.Clements
speak english
Comment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:03 am
What? You never heard of drapehead? Do you live here in the U.S.?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amzooey is a cut and past freak, no ideas, zombie. pick em up off the floor hon, oh wait, fondling is fondling.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 amonly you W. Clements
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 amZooey, are you saying that the majority of Americans would not want terrorists to be under surveillance?
I disagree.
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 amSee you are framing the arguement assuming it is only terrorists they are wiretapping yet you like myself don’t know any information about who and why they are wiretapping anybody. I for one would like more information and I do not believe open discussion will get people killed that would be the definition of fear mongering.
poor zooey, your a what?
Comment by umbra — August 22, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Umbra—you’re use of punctuation, shows your a true, genius! Vote for the republican’s: no child left, behind!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 ampaps meer, looks like we only left you behind, how is it with the other neantherthals?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 amLyndon Johnson had no problems wiretapping the Senate building!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
And Johnson was widely despised in his time.
Just out of curiosity, what would be your point?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 amComment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Oohh, I almost, forgot! You’re grasp of irony! Your a champ!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 ampaps meer
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 amhmmmmmmmm,, bipartisan i believe!
paps meer (paps smear) (afterlife)
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:21 amyou suck
paps meer (paps smear) (afterlife)
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 amyou want to reduce this to name calling?
Just out of curiosity, what would be your point?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 23, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Heh. Yer funny. :D
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 ampaps meer (paps smear) (afterlife)
you suck
Comment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Awww, c’mon. I’m trying to illuminate you’re intelligence here! Your, not taking this well!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 am:paps meer (paps smear) (afterlife)
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:24 am:you want to reduce this to name calling?
:paps meer (paps smear) (afterlife)
:you want to reduce this to name calling?
Comment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:24 am
By saying your intelligent? I don’t understand, you’re objection to this! Its troubling!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:26 amwhere are you trying to go with this? ambiguious
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 amambiguious Comment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:27 am
I think, all of us here, could learn a thing or two about intelligent people here! I mean, by inserting an “i” in the word ambiguous, I can only assume your asserting the true American ideal of the “I” or independence! Perhaps it’s subliminable! Its great to put extra “i”’s, everywhere! Briilliiant!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 amjust wondering if you would see it, confirmed my suspisions
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 amjust wondering if you would see it, confirmed my suspisions
Comment by umbra — August 23, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Was I, wrong? By not inserting more “i”’s in “suspicions,” but using an “s” instead of a “c”……hmmmm…..its referring to the snake in the Garden of Eden, maybe?…..I’m losing the subliminable intent, here! Help me out, pleasssse!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 amAre you happy now, liberals.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Only if they get you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 amZooey, are you saying that the majority of Americans would not want terrorists to be under surveillance?
I disagree.
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
so what? You’ve proven your ignorance of facts many times this evening. Your disagreement proves th point, in fact. Anything you believe is sure to be wrong or treasonous.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 amToo bad for you nutjobs a majority of Americans support wiretapping antiterrorist activities!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Too bad you can’t prove that.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 amMcConnell is a liar. I hope he’s the American that dies if we keep talking about wiretapping. Americans are going to die whether we talk about wiretapping or not, as the Deserter-In-Chief enslaves national Guardsmen, destroys their families, sends them to be killed or wounded for Halliburton, then refuses to care for them if they return home. I wonder if Bush’s orange prison jumpsuit will have a codpiece to cover his little tiny balls?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 amHey Umbra,
Just playin’ with you, okay? Sorry if I got a little personal—it’s been a long day!
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 amI don’t understand the logic. All the Bush administration has ever needed to do was to obey the law. The law said they could tap for 72 hours before getting a FISA court order. In over 5 years the FISA court has turned down exactly 1 request (the last count I saw). I have never heard a logical reason why this arrangement is cumbersome and unworkable. It is clear cut, logical and forgiving. What more do they need.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:54 amHey loons!
Hillary says the SUrge is working and you loons are still crying about the truth of what you did to us in Vietnam.
PRESIDENT Bush will not cut and run like the Democrats did then and want to do now.
Comment by Cepan — August 22, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
A little history lesson, Cesspool. The US pulled out of Vietnam when Gerald Ford (R) was president.
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 am(1) This comment thread is clearly being disrupted by extensive trolling – why ?
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:56 am>Too bad for you nutjobs a majority of Americans support wiretapping >antiterrorist activities!
Too bad for you nutjobs the people who get to decide if someone is a terrorist were the same group of people insisting they knew where saddam’s WMD were. Am I wrong?
Are you saying retroactive judicial review is too difficult a hurdle? We can’t keep ACCUSED terrorists under surveillance with judicial oversight?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 am(Waiting for your expert legal opinion, someone who moves their bowels on this site as much as you do much be a professional, successful person)
http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=235519
“Nazi leader Hermann Goering, interviewed by Gustave Gilbert during
the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18, quoted in
Gilbert’s book ‘Nuremberg Diary.’
Goering: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some
poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that
he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.
Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is
understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who
determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or
a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
[...]
Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 ambidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country.”
We should bankrupt the companies that assisted, illegally
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:58 am… a majority of Americans support wiretapping antiterrorist activities!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
First, what exactly are antiterrorist activities, and how are they different from terrorist activities?
Second, I believe the majority Americans DO support wiretapping terrorist activities, as does the FISA court, which issues warrants for this purpose.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 amRe: McConnell said it takes 200 hours to assemble a FISA warrant on a single telephone number.
Oh really?
From LP.org:
President Bush held a press conference on Monday morning to defend his policies in Iraq and his authorization of domestic eavesdropping. In this press conference, Bush stated one of the reasons he permitted NSA domestic wiretapping without a warrant and not go through FISA is “because it enables us to move faster and quicker.” He explained FISA is “for long-term monitoring.” President Bush said that the NSA domestic wiretapping is only for calls that originate from overseas, not those within the country. He claimed they would still go through the FISA courts for calls that are within the country. A reporter who caught this contradiction asked why the administration did not go through the FISA courts for all calls. President Bush responded by stating, “I said we use the FISA courts to monitor calls. It’s a very important tool, and we do use it. I just want to make sure we’ve got all tools at our disposal.”
So it takes 200 hours to assemble a warrant, but only for an domestic – international call? The administration STILL has not explained the discrepancy I listed above (in bold).
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 amThe Republican “fear meme” is as limp as a winger’s dick.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:29 amHow many Americans have died while we discussed wiretapping on this thread?
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 amun bra; a little ditty from back in the day- it turned out to be true
Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh
NLF is gonna win.
(and they did too) so f*ck off shitbird. I’m a Vietnam veteran, so I do know what I’m talking about here(with no small thanks to the draft).
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 am#324 says: “The Republican “fear meme†is as limp as a winger’s dick.”
Oh really?
….a Democratic-controlled Congress just got rushed into passing a law that most of them had misgivings on. A bill that was created by the GOPrs – the minority.
That is why it is called a meme. Takes a long time for the huge banyan tree to grow but once fully grown…it only requires an occasional watering here, news item there, action here….
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 amAs you crybabies like to say, ad nauseum, “Freedom isn’t free”. If we have to risk something, even our lives, to have free and open discourse in this country, so be it. We’ll take that risk. They take it every day in NYC or Chicago when they get on the subways, when they walk down the street. Get a hold of yourselves Red Staters. Chins up. Chests out. Stop being pussies. Relish the chance to fight them over here. That, in essence, is what the 2nd amendment is all about–if anyone wants to bring it to our streets, they will be met with an armed resistance that makes Al Qaeda look like a pillowcase full of helpless kittens. If America is to go down, let it go down in a glorious blaze of whoop-ass from sea to shining sea, not shulking like a scared little girl under your bed. We’re Americans goddam it. Start f-ing acting like it. God bless.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 amTwo points:
1. McConnell’s claim that the program is “surgical” — which really deserves to be a highlight — focuses only on voice and not on data (ie, mail, web site traffic, blogs, public records). This deliberate conflation has been a central feature of trad press coverage on this issue, and we shouldn’t fall for it. Taken as a whole, the program is anything but surgical, for which I supply a mountain of evidence.
2. McConnell’s “kill Americans” line is the first use of der dolchstosslegende (”stab in the back” theory) by a major American political figure. We knew it’s coming, now it’s here.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 amInteresting comment somewhere above about how the wingnuts will feel about their laws abridging the Constitution and Bill of Rights after the Democrats, possibly the big bad Hillary are in charge. Even the dedicated right wing editorials predict a republican wipe out. No doubt.
I once called the oversight committee early on in this fiasco, to thank them for all their hard work in constructing the Sword of Damocles in their implementation of the De-Federalization of the Constitutional Government or as commonly know, Competitive Outsourcing of the Federal Government. Somewhat startled they asked why I would thank them… Hehehe
I asked where in this government after the political pendulum swings the other way, would they ever hope to find a republican? The republicans, or more precisely the right wing radicals who have hijacked the republican party to guide it to its demise, have carefully constructed the very sword which will come crashing down on their unwitting heads after they no longer retain any power in government beyond that of a pityfull and yelping minority. The spyall bill, like so many other un-Constitutional attacks on liberty and freedom installed by their own hands, will come back to not only haunt them, but it may well be the wingnuts themselves who wake up in the camps carefully constructed by they so righteous leaders.
The Sword of Damocles is very sharp and cuts both ways.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:29 amWe are still chasing the phantoms of the 9/11 terrorists, alarmingly in Iraq instead of Afghanistan.
The much heralded and sought-after victory has already eluded us. If one of the few things it takes to relish being an American are our dearly-beloved personal liberties tranfsfixed by the Constitution, we officially, just lost those too now. The same Constitution that every public official raises a right hand to swear to protect and defend, not to plunder and ignore.
Have the terrorists already won? What do you think? A new campaign is about to be launched to convince the people why they should pressure their congress men and women to support the continuation of the Iraq war —you..mean Afghanistan, don’t you?
I believe a victory is still possible in AFGHANISTAN if we let ourselves regroup and remind ourselves why we started this squirmish into the wilds.
Is it time to invoke the spirit of the Founding and ask if this is what they had in mind, and if this is what has given the country the awesome reputation it has enjoyed before 2000?
Is another American life/limb worth involvement in a conflict that has roots in a civilization of 5000 years ago?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 amWe are still chasing the phantoms of the 9/11 terrorists, alarmingly in Iraq instead of Afghanistan.
The much heralded and sought-after victory has already eluded us. If one of the few things it takes to relish being an American are our dearly-beloved personal liberties tranfsfixed by the Constitution, we officially, just lost those too now. The same Constitution that every public official raises a right hand to swear to protect and defend, not to plunder and ignore.
Have the terrorists already won? What do you think? A new campaign is about to be launched to convince the people why they should pressure their congress men and women to support the contnuation of the Iraq war —you..mean Afghanistan, don’t you?
I believe a victory is still possible in AFGHANISTAN if we let ourselves regroup and remind ourselves why we started this squirmish into the wilds.
Is it time to invoke the spirit of the Founding and ask if this is what they had in mind, and if this is what has given the country the awesome reputation it has enjoyed before 2000?
Is another American life/limb worth involvement in a conflict that has roots in a civilization of 5000 years ago?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:44 amI find it fascinating that every time the Republicans find they’re losing ground, their weapon of choice is to claim that we will die if we dissent in any way.
One memorable example is when Karl Rove told us all in 2006 that we would die if we didn’t vote Republican. We haven’t died. And I doubt we will die when we elect even more Dems in 2008 (despite predictable dire warnings from the right again).
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 amWhat a load of BS… 200 hours to get a warrant? #1 under FISA you are allowed to spy first report to FISA afterwards… #2 ever hear of something called computer automation? It speeds things like paperwork up a whole lot…
As far as the private sector goes all they had to do was act like good Americans like SOME did… help out all the government wants AFTER they hand over a warrant… real simple… then we know the government is being checked on by the courts…real simple… it happens all the time.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 amAmericans are going to die everyday if we keep driving cars, work in unsafe conditions.. like a mine or walk the streets of Bagdad….
Blantant fear mongering!
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 amAre you saying retroactive judicial review is too difficult a hurdle? We can’t keep ACCUSED terrorists under surveillance with judicial oversight?
In 3 days? Yes!
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 amI have never heard a logical reason why this arrangement is cumbersome and unworkable.
The FISA court is not large enough to process the higher number of wiretaps needed today, compared to 1978. It now takes about 8000 hours for the court to do its garbage!
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:21 amSo it takes 200 hours to assemble a warrant, but only for an domestic – international call? The administration STILL has not explained the discrepancy I listed above (in bold).
Hmm? It would take 200 hours for international – domestic calls, but since internationals aren’t US citizens, there is no reason to waste the time!
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 amZooey, are you saying that the majority of Americans would not want terrorists to be under surveillance?
I disagree.
Even the nutcase Democratic Congress didn’t buy into this foolishness.. Then again, half of them want Bush’s job, so they know how essential wiretapping is.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 amJust because I don’t care one bit about Americans: “Wiretap!” Ooooh, how many got killed? Wiretap! Wiretap! Wiretap! Illegal wiretapping going on here people! Beware of the spying! Hihihihi, if I go on like this soon there will be no more Americans left for Bush to reign over! A world without Americans, talk about raising the level.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:26 pm#341
Cheeky Bastard!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:43 pmSo…..How many Americans have been killed by terrorists since 9/11? The answer is ZERO. Nobody believes that when Americans use their right to free speech and debate warrantless wiretapping that anyone is in danger. That makes McConnell nothing more than a fear monger.
Why does McConnell hate America?
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:16 pmSo…..How many Americans have been killed by terrorists since 9/11? The answer is ZERO because of the wiretapping and the war.
Fixed for you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmThe REAL terrorists are in the White House and Congress.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:57 amThe fact is Bush has never proven that warrant less wiretapping has actually succeeded in preventing terrorism. Neither is he likely to. This bill gives expansive powers to Bush without proper Congressional oversight. Talking about wiretapping doesn’t kill Americans. McConnell’s argument weakens when he himself divulges classified information. He is only trying to stifle free speech and the people right to know the truth.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:16 amThe FISA court is not large enough to process the higher number of wiretaps needed today, compared to 1978. It now takes about 8000 hours for the court to do its garbage!
Comment by m12 — August 23, 2007 @ 11:21 am
But as I pointed out earlier (and which you obviously ignored), Bush has no problem going to the FISA court for a domestic-domestic call. So your “point” is bullshit.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:14 amWell, hopefully it’s just your family, you fear-mongering piece of dogshit.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:34 amDon’t dare to discuss the curtailment of your liberties, you should be much too frightened for that….Chickenshit coward “conservatives”.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:14 am