ThinkFast: August 22, 2007
ThinkFast: August 22, 2007
A White House manual released recently discloses extensive instructions given to White House staffers in the art of “deterring potential protestors” from Bush’s public appearances. The manual demonstrates “that the White House has a policy of excluding and/or attempting to squelch dissenting viewpoints from presidential events,” said ACLU lawyer Jonathan Miller.
President Bush, who avoided military duty in Vietnam, will open a new theme in support of sticking with the battle of Iraq today by warning Iraq critics against committing the errors of Vietnam. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded that “the fundamental difference” between the conflicts is that Bush generated support for “the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses.”
A U.S. Army helicopter crashed north of Baghdad early Wednesday morning, killing all 14 soldiers onboard, the military said. The AP reports it is the deadliest crash since January 2005.
The Pentagon has seen a “sharp drop” in black active-duty recruits since the Iraq war began, falling to “to 13 percent in 2006 from 20 percent in 2001, the last year before the invasion of Iraq began to seem inevitable.” A recent CBS News poll found that 83 percent of blacks believe the United States was wrong to invade Iraq, compared to just 46 percent of whites.
Yesterday, Crandall Canyon mine co-owner Robert Murray said that while he plans to “abandon any effort” to mine at the site of the initial collapse where six miners were trapped, he believes “that other parts of the mine remained safe for work and that mining should resume.” An MSHA official said he was “shocked that the subject was even brought up.”
In a statement issued to E&P, the military responded to the NYT op-ed written by seven soldiers in the 82nd Airborne. “The individuals’ perspectives expressed in the New York Times reflect their unique ‘boots-on-ground’ experience,” the statement said.
Last November, President Bush deemed Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki “the right guy for Iraq.” “By Tuesday, that phrase had all but evaporated from Mr. Bush’s lexicon.” Experts say Bush does not appear to be trying to force Maliki out. “Rather, they say, the president’s remarks are aimed at a domestic audience.”
A federal judge ruled yesterday that the Bush administration “violated U.S. law by failing to produce a study on the impact of global warming and must issue a summary by March.”
And finally: “Latvia’s former president, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, is considering using eBay to auction off the wardrobe she wore in office in an attempt to recoup money she spent to look attractive and presidential.” Freiberga, who was president from 1999 to this year, told Latvian public radio, “I literally spent all my salary to take care of myself.”
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A federal judge ruled yesterday that the Bush administration “violated U.S. law by failing to produce a study on the impact of global warming and must issue a summary by March.â€
Summary: Global warming is caused by angel farts. Except when we say it doesn't exist. Then it's caused by reflections off of tinfoil hats.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:06 amIraq and Vietnam are nothing alike: Chimpy had an exit strategy for Vietnam for example.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:08 amA White House manual released recently discloses extensive instructions given to White House staffers in the art of “deterring potential protestors†from Bush’s public appearances. The manual demonstrates “that the White House has a policy of excluding and/or attempting to squelch dissenting viewpoints from presidential events,†said ACLU lawyer Jonathan Miller.
How can it be that a group that seems to love War so much, can't even take a little conflict?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:09 amIt is mourning in America.
Sometimes it's good to look back in history and see how others viewed the Middle East. Perhaps we all can benefit from the words of President and retired General Dwight D. Eisenhower:
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com/eisenhower2.htm
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:10 am"President Bush, who avoided military duty in Vietnam, will open a new theme in support of sticking with the battle of Iraq today by warning Iraq critics against committing the errors of Vietnam."
The error we committed in Viet Nam was not getting out much sooner. And now he wants us to commit the same error in Iraq. If we are not going to commit the same errors we committed in Viet Nam, we will get out now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 am"President Bush...will open a new theme...by warning Iraq critics against committing the errors of Vietnam."
C'mon, tell me this is a Daily Show skit! Does Bush have any idea how many "errors of Vietnam" HE has already committed? Of course, nothing is incredible anymore.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 amDemocrats in $7bn plan to turn US green
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2883854.ece
America's politicians are waking up to the moneymaking and job creation possibilities of combating global warming and challenging the Bush administration to invest in a new generation of "green-collar" jobs.
The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives wants to spend almost $7bn (£3.5bn) in the coming year to reduce the nation's enormous carbon footprint. This has put it on a collision course with the White House, which remains in denial about the dangers of global warming.
A major clash is expected between the White House and Congress in the autumn, with President George Bush sceptical of the Democrats' newfound enthusiasm for the environment. The best way to reduce America's dependence on foreign oil is to drill for more, he believes.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 amI find it fascinating that we live in a country where the right to dissent is guaranteed by the constitution, yet the current president (who has sworn to uphold said constitution) can't take any dissent at all -- not even a person standing quietly on the sidewalk wearing an anti-Bush t-shirt.
I don't remember any other president who required "free speech zones" out of earshot and eye view for dissenters. Not even Nixon, who was probably the most paranoid president in recent memory, resorted to that.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 am"A federal judge ruled yesterday that the Bush administration “violated U.S. law by failing to produce a study on the impact of global warming and must issue a summary by March.â€
This is what, the 100th time that a judge has ruled that the Bush Administration violated US law? How many more laws are they going to be allowed to break before something is done about this lawless administration?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 amSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded that “the fundamental difference†between the conflicts is that Bush generated support for “the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses.â€
Mr. Reid should update his information on the beginnings of the Vietnam War. The Gulf of Tonkin incident did not happen the way the Johnson administration said it did when they used it to as a rallying war cry for a mass build-up in Vietnam. Basically they lied. Funny how lies lead to bad things happening. Just another example of simularity between Vietnam and Iraq.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 amI'm bidding on that enormous fake rose the Latvian president is wearing in the first photo. Do you think it works with khakis and a polo shirt?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 amCIA Didn't Do Enough to Stop 9/11, Report Finds
Completed in June 2005 and kept classified until now,
missed crucial opportunities to thwart two hijackers in the run-up to Sept. 11, the agency’s own watchdog concluded in a bruising report released Tuesday...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20378187/
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 amFunny how lies lead to bad things happening.
And it looks like Iran will be the next pack of lies
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:21 amMr. Reid should update his information on the beginnings of the Vietnam War. The Gulf of Tonkin incident did not happen the way the Johnson administration said it did when they used it to as a rallying war cry for a mass build-up in Vietnam. Basically they lied. Funny how lies lead to bad things happening. Just another example of simularity between Vietnam and Iraq.
Comment by dlet — August 22, 2007 @ 9:18 am
Beat me to it. Reid blew his big chance to point out another parallel.
The only lesson this government appears to have learned from Vietnam is how to cover up the number of American dead. The military, which should have learned hard lessons about counter-insurgencies, appears to have forsaken anything they learned, as well.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:21 amBush didn't avoid military duty in Vietnam. He served in the same branch that has furnished a crapload of soldiers for duty in Iraq. Defeatist Democrats
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:22 amThe Republics have rigged the system form A to Z. They have all the money, complete control of the media, control of the executive branch, a massive disinformation machine, right-wing think tanks to cook the data, purged voter roles, secret and virtually dictatorial powers, sympathetic judges, gerrymandered districts, crooked voting machines, and all the agencies of the Federal government.
And yet they're still getting creamed.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:22 am"Do you think it works with khakis and a polo shirt?"
Comment by gummitch
You can wear it to the next event at the Rose Garden...
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:22 amyou'll blend right in.
Bush didn’t avoid military duty in Vietnam. He served in the same branch that has furnished a crapload of soldiers for duty in Iraq. Defeatist Democrats
Comment by veritas
Awful early in the morning to be name-jacking...... cretin....
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 amis that you, Mr.Pee Pee?
This president is so anti-American I find it amazing that Republicans can even support him. Their willingness to subjugate the rights of all Americans truly demonstrates how evil they are.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 amBush almost served. Desertion really isn't the same as serving.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 am#14 - veritas
The difference being that during Vietnam there was no chance at all of Bush's Texas Air National Guard unit EVER going to Southeast Asia.
Just another Bush irony - the man who used the National Guard to get out of a war now abuses the National Guard to fight a war for him.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amHow many more laws are they going to be allowed to break before something is done about this lawless administration?
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 22, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Nothing will be done about this lawless administration, except that congressional Dems will make a lot of noise about it and do a lot of posturing.
The Dems are exercising the strategy of allowing the Bushney apparatus to continue, hoping enough people will get angry enough to vote Dem next year. They're afraid that any effort toward impeachment (or even getting tough on contempt charges) will fail for lack of votes and give the Repubs more steam.
It's a pity. Nobody has the courage to do anything just because it's the right thing to do. Congressional Repubs still follow Bush blindly due to party loyalty. Congressional Dems just want to focus on re-elections due to party loyalty. Nobody is caring about the country. The rest of us either weep, or go play video games.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amBush didn’t avoid military duty in Vietnam. He served in the same branch that has furnished a crapload of soldiers for duty in Iraq.
Comment by veritas — August 22, 2007 @ 9:22 am
Except that he managed to get certified on an airplane that was too old to be used in Nam, drastically decreasing his chances of ever being sent there.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 amROFL! Obama is now backing off his wife's slam on Hillary!
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/aug/21/obama_my_wifes_remarks_about_family_are_never_about_hillary
On a conference call with Dem Rep. Patrick Murphy today, Barack Obama addressed the controversy over his wife's comment that "if you can't run your house, you can't run the White House."
Obama allowed that she repeatedly says this -- but he also asserted that Michelle is never referring to Hillary when she uses this line. He said:
Wow, these Democratic candidates need to keep their spouses' mouths shut...they're killing campaigns!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amQuestions for President Bush:
How many more years should we have stayed in Vietnam?
If you are so concerned about Iraqi refugees, how come we have allowed fewer than 200 to relocate to the US in 2007, after promising 7,000 slots?
Didn't the Communist Vietnamese stop the genocide in Cambodia by overthrowing Pol Pot's government?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 amthis is great... wish the cons here would listen more to what
an ACTUAL conservative had to say...
THE GEORGE AND DICK SHOW
Funny enough to make you cry
If you think out of the boundaries for a moment, you can see that it's funny that the Bush administration believes it's OK for the U.S. to invade Iraq, destroy its infrastructure, topple its government and occupy it with 167,000 soldiers while complaining that the next-door neighbor, Iran, is meddling in the country.
[...]
http://www.baxterbulletinonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/OPINION01/708210314
(i wish it were easier to find reese's pieces [heh] online...)
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:35 am...
Oh really? Seems to me Bush is still getting his way with Congress. Like it or not, Republicans are still in control.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 amWow, these Democratic candidates need to keep their spouses’ mouths shut…they’re killing campaigns!
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Only the mind of a fascist twit like m12, who will never reach 13, would be able to have such a sick interpretation. Michele Obama will be a great First Lady, especially if she brings about the number of fatal heart attacks necessary to empty this site of idiot trolls!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 amOnly the mind of a fascist twit like m12, who will never reach 13, would be able to have such a sick interpretation. Michele Obama will be a great First Lady, especially if she brings about the number of fatal heart attacks necessary to empty this site of idiot trolls!
Really? Then why is Obama cutting and running from her low blow attack?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 amOh really? Seems to me Bush is still getting his way with Congress. Like it or not, Republicans are still in control.
Right, its always the GOP's fault even if they control neither House!
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 amany women here knows exactly what michele obama said...
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:39 amand that hillary was the LAST thing on her mind when she said it...
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Oh really? Seems to me Bush is still getting his way with Congress. Like it or not, Republicans are still in control.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 22, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Actually, they're not. Nobody is in control. Republicans are busy obstructing; that's all they have left now. They're also busy destroying themselves forever. This will be good for the USA, in the long run. We need to bury the GOP and jail the traitors that have allowed them to ruin this democracy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:39 amThe Republics have rigged the system form A to Z. They have all the money, complete control of the media, control of the executive branch, a massive disinformation machine, right-wing think tanks to cook the data, purged voter roles, secret and virtually dictatorial powers, sympathetic judges, gerrymandered districts, crooked voting machines, and all the agencies of the Federal government.
And yet they’re still getting creamed.
Comment by Perry Logan — August 22, 2007 @ 9:22 am
??????
Your first paragraph seems to belie your last sentence.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 amM12, trying to derail a thread already this early in the morning.
Must be payday, eh 'I'm 12'?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:41 amReally? Then why is Obama cutting and running from her low blow attack?
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:38 am
calling the RATwing media on its lies is hardly cutting and running. as a repig stooge, you should know more about that, since all of your leaders from Reagan on have been experts in cutting and running.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:41 amM12, trying to derail a thread already this early in the morning.
Must be payday, eh ‘I’m 12′?
No, merely presenting a fair and balanced viewpoint.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 amYour first paragraph seems to belie your last sentence.
Comment by r — August 22, 2007 @ 9:40 am
another victim of homeschooling farts a "thought". sad that repukes never learned to understand what they try to read.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 am14 dead soldiers in a downed Blackhawk.
Bush speaking to military service clubs about the 'dangers of defeatism', and how to learn from Viet Nam.
CIA scorched for no action with pre-9/11 terrorists.
Bush plans to suppress dissent at his speaking events uncovered.
Same shit, different day. Nothing's changing in the USA.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 amany women here knows exactly what michele obama said…
and that hillary was the LAST thing on her mind when she said it…
…
Comment by katy — August 22, 2007 @ 9:39 am
My wife thought Obama was referring to Giuliani.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 am#14 veritas:
Bush didn’t avoid military duty in Vietnam.
Oh, really? Must have missed it; my bad. When was he "in country" then?
Cheers,
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 amReally? Then why is Obama cutting and running from her low blow attack?
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:38 am
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Your concern is better suited to a reality TV show than politics. This is a fluff non-issue. Be honest, you don't really care about the wife of one presidential candidate from a party you despise slamming another presidential candidate from a party you despise.
I hope neither Clinton or Obama get the nomination, but that's because I don't like them (Clinton) or their policies (Obama).
See, I was just honest without dipping into the CSPAN Tabloid zone. Try it. Its liberating.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 am*
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 amComment by NOT veritas — August 22, 2007 @ 9:22 am
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What Did We Miss?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 amChina has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission.
According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation."
so pete, did your wife listen to the whole context of that statement,
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 amor just what the SCLM put out there? ...
Mr. Reid dont you keep up on current events?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/
The Gulf of Tonkin incident has been clarified in the past two years ... Vietnam was a lie also... start a war with a lie and it is not going to end well for you... America should have learned back then to NOT trust their government to "convince" them they must go to war.... if it isnt obvious to the people then you shouldnt do it at all...
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 amThis is what, the 100th time that a judge has ruled that the Bush Administration violated US law? How many more laws are they going to be allowed to break before something is done about this lawless administration?
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 22, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Yet the Dem. controlled Congress allows it to continue.
Kinda' makes you wonder WHO is in control, don't it?
If I were a pilot, I would say that the government is "dead stick" at this point.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 ammissmolly, Lincoln had free speech zones too, they were called the Confederate States.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 amNot to support the secession, mind you. But he kicked dissenters out of the Union.
i'm sorry. the SCLM?
together, we heard a few very slightly different clips on a number of tv shows. she heard some other reports earlier in the day. so, i don't know the entirety of her database.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 amThe wife of Barack Obama told an audience in Atlantic, Iowa: “If you can’t run your own house, you can’t run the White House.â€
She didn’t elaborate, but with her husband’s chief opponent, Hillary Clinton, married to the world’s most famous philanderer, she didn’t need to.
Heh, heh.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 amMy wife thought Obama was referring to Giuliani.
Comment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 9:46 am
Really? Obama and Hillary have been taking potshots at each other over the past couple weeks, about Pakistan, nukes, experience, and anything under the sun, and you think she was talking about Rudy?
Well, that Koolaid is working....
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 amBush's delusions extend to include how history will reflect on the Iraq war and occupation.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 amThat's the problem with being delusional, you can't see the fact that you might just be wrong.
But he kicked dissenters out of the Union.
Comment by Wilco — August 22, 2007 @ 9:53 am
That's pretty revisionist, isn't it? I thought those 11 states seceded voluntarily. And, later Lincoln fought the war to force them to "un-secede."
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 amIt seems obvious reading thru these comments that Glen Greenwald was correct. If the trolls had any intelligence they would just encourage the democrats and other liberals here to shoot each other in the foot. Wouldn't take much. The left wing side of things is much more diverse than the right wing side but no more intelligent apparently. The Repugnants will not be banned forever and, in fact, it is not even sure a democratic candidate will win the election. The reason for this is that the democrats cannot argue politely amongst themselves but continually feed the trolls and the repugnants with acid criticisms of each other.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 amRobert Murray said that while he plans to “abandon any effort†to mine at the site of the initial collapse where six miners were trapped, he believes “that other parts of the mine remained safe for work and that mining should resume.â€
The man's greed has no bounds.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 ammissmolly, Lincoln had free speech zones too, they were called the Confederate States.
Not to support the secession, mind you. But he kicked dissenters out of the Union.
Comment by Wilco — August 22, 2007 @ 9:53 am
I'm pretty sure they left on their own.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 ammissmolly, Lincoln had free speech zones too, they were called the Confederate States.
And he suspended habeas corpus to boot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 amShe didn’t elaborate, but with her husband’s chief opponent, Hillary Clinton, married to the world’s most famous philanderer, she didn’t need to.
Heh, heh.
Comment by r — August 22, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Hillary isn't married to Rudey.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amcrassus, Lincoln believed secession un constitutional and therefore not a valid act
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amI guess I'm not understanding your "revisionist" claim
If Harry Reid recognises that Bush launched "the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses", no doubt Pelosi knows the same truth.
Why, then, is IMPEACHMENT still not on the table??? Our Democratic leaders are failing us. They are now equally as guilty as the Repubs. They ALL need to be tried as traitors.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 amObama said he has “no doubt that there will be attempts to dirty me up.â€
That his opponents might try to “dirty him up†is an interesting mindset from a candidate whose wife casually skewers one of his opponents.
But if it was an intentional skewering, it was doubly well-aimed. One reason the former first lady has a huge national lead with Democratic voters is her backing from the political machine built by her philandering husband, former President Clinton.
Ouch.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amHillary isn’t married to Rudey.
Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 9:58 am
You think very highly of Rudy if you think he's as famous as Slick Clinton.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amI don’t remember any other president who required “free speech zones†out of earshot and eye view for dissenters. Not even Nixon, who was probably the most paranoid president in recent memory, resorted to that.
Comment by missmolly — August 22, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Kinda makes ya wonder what he's so askeeert of, doesn't it?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amGot a call yesterday from someone using the name of Nancy Pelosi begging for money to help keep republicans from getting any more seats in the Congress....
I simply explained that they failed at what we sent the democrats there to do... the Iraq War rages on and bush has even more power now than he did under the republicans... no money from me period... I am voting for Ron Paul ....a republican... the guy was very nice but he listened to what I had to say and just said ok...
Republicans ... failures.... they are supposed to be a check on the power of the executive which is a lot of power in just a few hands...
Democrats ... failures.... they are supposed to be a check on the power of the executive which is a lot of power in just a few hands...
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amI’m pretty sure they left on their own.
Comment by ronjazz
No, Lincoln had them put on trains and shipped out of the Union. Lots of newspaper editors, mostly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 amI guess Bush really is the "bubble boy." I didn't realize that it was official policy though.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 amyou think she was talking about Rudy?
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 9:54 am
I said that my wife - a woman - thought Obama was referring to Giuliani.
My wife's opinion aside, Giuliani was the first thing I thought about when I heard the clip.
After all, he is running as a candidate of the party of family values, yet his son is campaigning for another candidate of the same party of family values, and he is on his 3rd wife, who is on her 3rd husband. I would say that his inability to keep order in his own house conforms to Obama's premise, as I understand it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 amKinda makes ya wonder what he’s so askeeert of, doesn’t it?
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 10:00 am
I dunno, when there is a movie made about those protestors shooting you, and the radical left wing cheers with glee at the prospect, I bet you'd be askeert too.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 am"One reason the former first lady has a huge national lead with Democratic voters is her backing from the political machine built by her philandering husband, former President Clinton" - comment by r
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All progressives should read Greg Palast. He's relentless in his pursuit of the truth. While he spends 95% of his time exposing Rebulicans, he also tells lots of CHILLING stories about the Clintons - they are not what they seem. We need a TRUE progressive in the White House - NOT HILLARY.
PLEASE read Greg Palast!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 amAfter all, he is running as a candidate of the party of family values, yet his son is campaigning for another candidate of the same party of family values, and he is on his 3rd wife, who is on her 3rd husband. I would say that his inability to keep order in his own house conforms to Obama’s premise, as I understand it.
Perhaps. Then you have to ask why the Obamas think Rudy is a greater threat to his Presidential chances than the Clintons.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amtotally not on any topic here....
Has anyone heard from Juan C? I am just wondering how his hurricane prep is going.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 am"Actually, they’re not. Nobody is in control. Republicans are busy obstructing; that’s all they have left now. They’re also busy destroying themselves forever. This will be good for the USA, in the long run. We need to bury the GOP and jail the traitors that have allowed them to ruin this democracy.
Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 9:39 am"
More delusion on your part. President Bush's approval rating is increasing, Congress' approval rating is still slipping. The Iraq surge is working. The economy is strong.
The Democrats are the obstructionists, obstructing our success in Iraq. The Democrats want to ruin our economy by raising taxes. The Democrats know the American public will only put up with so many of their shenanigans before the Republicans are swept back into power. Thus, no impeachment, no indictments, no real resistance to President Bush.
If a Democrat is our next President, and pulls out our troops, that person will be blamed for losing Iraq and creating the chaos that will ensue, thus ruining the Democrats chances to win the next election and labeling them as the party of U.S. defeat.
I wouldn't want to be a Democrat elected representative right now. They have no chance of getting any swing-vote support from Republicans or Libertarians, and are alienating their base as well. Not a good situation for them.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 amYou think very highly of Rudy if you think he’s as famous as Slick Clinton.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Well, Rudely's more famous than Clinton for his serial philandering, that's a given. Like Bush, he's running on the bodies of the police and firefighters that he killed by not giving them the technologies they needed to do their jobs, so he's rapidly achieving world-wide fame as another repuke liar. Clinton is, of course, loved and respected around the world, as evidenced by the huge crowds of well-wishers wherever he goes. That really gets to you, but that's what happens when you support a deserter and his cowardly string-puller.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 amthere is a movie made about those protestors shooting you,
Oooh, that would really make me askeert. I saw Snakes on the Plane last night, so I guess I'd better not ever fly again!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 amWell, Rudely’s more famous than Clinton for his serial philandering, that’s a given. Like Bush, he’s running on the bodies of the police and firefighters that he killed by not giving them the technologies they needed to do their jobs, so he’s rapidly achieving world-wide fame as another repuke liar
Wow you do think highly of him! Few mayors can achieve such world wide fame equal to a 2 term former President.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 amPerhaps. Then you have to ask why the Obamas think Rudy is a greater threat to his Presidential chances than the Clintons.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Did you leave your brain behind again? You should go fetch it and sell it on eBay; it's never been used. maybe Bush will bid; his brain cut and run last week.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 amI wouldn’t want to be a Democrat elected representative right now. They have no chance of getting any swing-vote support from Republicans or Libertarians, and are alienating their base as well. Not a good situation for them.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 22, 2007 @ 10:10 am
You're completely delusional and fact-free. any generic Democrat crushes any named Republican in all political polling across the country. Nice try.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amSo Called Liberal Media...
...
see http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/aug/21/obama_campaign_denies_michelles_speech_was_attack_on_hillary
for text of michelle's speech...
for some reason, TP doesn't want me to post it...
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amimagine that...
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Did you leave your brain behind again? You should go fetch it and sell it on eBay; it’s never been used. maybe Bush will bid; his brain cut and run last week.
Comment by ronjazz — August 22, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Did mommy forget to put the soap in your mouth?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amYou should go fetch it and sell it on eBay
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amUnfortunately, it's not worth the cost of listing.
Oooh, that would really make me askeert. I saw Snakes on the Plane last night, so I guess I’d better not ever fly again!
Tell you what. We can produce a movie titled 'Molestation of RUCerious's children' and see how that makes you feel.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amtesting...
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 amWow you do think highly of him! Few mayors can achieve such world wide fame equal to a 2 term former President.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Only those as ego-driven as Rudely, a serial liar and philanderer that makes Clinton look like George Washington. It's good that Rudely is such a press whore; the more people who read about his disgusting personal "values" and his 9/11 failures, the less likely that he can do more damage to this country.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 amTP won't let me post a response to "Veritas" at number 14.
Dubya did NOT serve honorably in the Guard, which, in the time period in question did not generally deploy overseas.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amComment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Busy conflating today, aren't you!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amTell you what. We can produce a movie titled ‘Molestation of RUCerious’s children’ and see how that makes you feel.
Comment by m12 — August 22, 2007 @ 10:16 am
You can produce a fart, that's the extent of it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 amDubya = DESERTER
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 amDubya, Shooter, Rove, Gone-zo
Draft Dodgers All
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amThe man’s greed has no bounds.
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Seriously. Robert Murray should be tried for nine counts of negligent homicide, along with the rest of that mine's managers. The fact that he's even thinking about continuing mining operations after this is beyond criminal.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amSeriously. Robert Murray should be tried for nine counts of negligent homicide, along with the rest of that mine’s managers. The fact that he’s even thinking about continuing mining operations after this is beyond criminal.
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 10:22 am
with Bush & Cheney as co-defendants.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amBusy conflating today, aren’t you!
Comment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Don't confuse him w/ big words, Cerious. I wonder if Duh-bya is more afraid than the judges Ann Coulter, in the national media, suggested be poisoned?? Or the reporters that should be strung up from light poles?
Just asking???
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amThe fact that he’s even thinking about continuing mining operations after this is beyond criminal.
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Certainly shows where the man's true sentiments lie.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amDon’t confuse him w/ big words, Cerious. I wonder if Duh-bya is more afraid than the judges Ann Coulter, in the national media, suggested be poisoned?? Or the reporters that should be strung up from light poles?
Just asking???
Probably. Half of America doesn't know who those judges are. They aren't the Decider.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 amDubya did NOT serve honorably in the Guard, which, in the time period in question did not generally deploy overseas.
Comment by blogbob — August 22, 2007 @ 10:18 am
veritas' name was hijacked in that comment -- you would only be responding to an idiotic troll.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 am..idiotic troll.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Can you say "redundant"?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amCongressional approval at all time looooooowwww:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293890,00.html
By all means, keep holding hearings and launching investigations. With your numbers this low, Pres. Bush’s upcoming vetoes will hold, as he will be seen as more responsible. I can’t imagine what the Dem Congress’s approval numbers will sink to then.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amPRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds Congress' approval rating the lowest it has been since Gallup first tracked public opinion of Congress with this measure in 1974. Just 18% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, while 76% disapprove, according to the August 13-16, 2007, Gallup Poll.
That 18% job approval rating matches the low recorded in March 1992, when a check-bouncing scandal was one of several scandals besetting Congress, leading many states to pass term limits measures for U.S. representatives (which the Supreme Court later declared unconstitutional).
Who was in charge of Congress in 1992? The dumbocrats!
Congress had a similarly low 19% approval rating during the energy crisis in the summer of 1979.
Who was in charge of Congress in 1979? The dumbocrats!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 amJason M. Hendler
Yeah, because when people vote in a opposition party what they really want is a rubber stamp to the president. Riight.
Maybe those numbers are so low because the Democrats have caved on two major mandate issues, like say, the Iraq war and illegal wiretaps?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 amYeah, because when people vote in a opposition party what they really want is a rubber stamp to the president. Riight.
Maybe those numbers are so low because the Democrats have caved on two major mandate issues, like say, the Iraq war and illegal wiretaps?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/27/politics/27poll.html?ex=1296018000&en=d6f80d348c3ed000&ei=5088
The poll found that Americans were to a large extent perplexed as they weighed conflicting forces: the need presented by Mr. Bush to take extraordinary action to fight terrorism, and a historical aversion to an overly intrusive government.
The poll found that 53 percent of Americans approved of Mr. Bush's authorizing eavesdropping without prior court approval "in order to reduce the threat of terrorism"; 46 percent disapproved. When the question was asked stripped of any mention of terrorism, 46 percent of those respondents approved, and 50 percent said they disapproved.
I think it's just you who really hates wiretaps.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 amCBS News Poll. Aug. 8-12, 2007. N=1,214 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the campaign against terrorism?"
Approve
Disapprove
Unsure
% % %
8/8-12/07 44 48 8
Your poll m1/2 is over 18 months old.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amComment by Jason M. Hendler — August 22, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Yep, the Democratic party is an imploding farce.
Edwards might have been a believable candidate if he wasn't a proven tax dodger and election loser.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 amJanuary of 2006? Americans have become more aware of just what has been going on since then - hence the Democrats winning Congress.
Americans aren't dumb, they knew what they wanted to get when the Democrats were running, and it wasn't a bunch of Republican lapdogs.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 amRobert Murray belongs in jail. He's a murderer.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 amComment by RUCerious — August 22, 2007 @ 10:50 am
I looked for a poll on wiretapping specifically. The radical lefties act as if a substantial majority of the public wants an end to wiretapping, and that's hardly the case!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 amComment by katy — August 22, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Thanks. SCLM. Don't you just hate that moniker? I do.
I did hear the entire quote later in the day. But, I think my opinion was formed by the one-liner version that I heard first. I accept your endorsement that she was extolling her family's dedication.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 amCan you say “redundant�
Comment by hacker bob — August 22, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Redundant!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:55 amComment by pete — August 22, 2007 @ 10:54 am
I prefer the term "Corporate Media."
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:55 amAmericans aren’t dumb, they knew what they wanted to get when the Democrats were running, and it wasn’t a bunch of Republican lapdogs.
If you say so. What did they want when they sent John Kerry back to Taxachusetts?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amm12
You looked at an old poll that specifically mentioned that how the question was asked altered the answers given considerably.
In one striking finding, respondents overwhelmingly supported e-mail and telephone monitoring directed at "Americans that the government is suspicious of;" they overwhelmingly opposed the same kind of surveillance if it was aimed at "ordinary Americans."
The English have a TV show called "Yes Minister" which dealt with this sort of thing quite well.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 10:55 am
If you don't mind, I'll handle the bad jokes!
Hear from Juan C?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amm12
They said they didn't want a president who wasn't prepared to stand up for himself. Kerry was a bad candidate, probably the worst candidate the Democrats have ever run.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 am86% black versus 46% white think the Iraq conflict is wrong. The destruction of people of color. The white man with his constant lies. I can see that. How about they poll native americans, orientals(preferrably Japanese-Americans), and hispanics?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 amblacks are cowards .blacks would rather shoot people in drive by shootings instead
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 amblacks ain't giving up their welfare checks to fight.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 amWho flew a/c into the twin towers, the Pentagon and a PA field?
Who blew up the USS COLE?
Who blew up Kobar Towers?
The list goes on and on and on .... and most of these things did NOT happen on Bush's watch.
The answer to those questions above is "Radical Islamic Fundamentalists".
Next question .... Where is (was) the biggest and worst nest of RIFs?
Answer .... Iraq (Saddam Hussein).
What is wrong with protecting ourselves?
What is wrong with taking a bunch of bad guys out of commission?
Get off your polkitical one way street method of thinking, and just for a moment, review the history and do logical deductive thinking.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 amThe answer to those questions above is “Radical Islamic Fundamentalistsâ€.
Next question …. Where is (was) the biggest and worst nest of RIFs?
Answer …. Iraq (Saddam Hussein).
What is wrong with protecting ourselves?
What is wrong with taking a bunch of bad guys out of commission?
Get off your polkitical one way street method of thinking, and just for a moment, review the history and do logical deductive thinking.
Comment by American Wonder — August 22, 2007 @ 11:07 am
You don't have a clue, do you? Saddam Hussein was just as much an enemy of al-Qa'ida as we were. UBL said so several times. There's nothing wrong with "protecting ourselves." There is something wrong with invading a nation that posed no threat to the United States to establish control over Middle East oil reserves and framing it as "self-defense."
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 amAmerican Wonder
Actually, Saddam was a secular dictator, who had women in his cabinet, didn't wear a full beard and probably drank.
Further, he had a bounty out on Osama's head.
He was a bad man, but he wasn't particularly religious.
Oh, and Saudi Arabia happens to be the country where the bulk of the terrorists on 9/11 came from.
Next time, do your research before spouting bullshit boet.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 amIf you don’t mind, I’ll handle the bad jokes!
There will be nothing left for me to do. :(
Hear from Juan C?
Comment by hacker bob — August 22, 2007 @ 10:57 am
No, I haven't. I sent him a message. I'll let you know if I hear from him.
You doing ok?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 amNext question …. Where is (was) the biggest and worst nest of RIFs?
Answer …. Iraq (Saddam Hussein).
Comment by American Wonder — August 22, 2007 @ 11:07 am
I'm gonna need to see some proof of that, WonderBoy.
Neutral news sites, please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amI’m gonna need to see some proof of that, WonderBoy.
Neutral news sites, please.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Ha! Don't hold your breath for that one...
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 amWow, these Democratic candidates need to keep their spouses’ mouths shut…they’re killing campaigns!
Comment by m12
Do you always repeat what Drudge tells you to, or are you simply incapable of thinking for yourself? Stupid sheep.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 amYou doing ok?
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:17 am
We'll just say that I must be a Conservative because I LOVE oxycodone these days. :-)
I am up and moving around finally.....
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 amHa! Don’t hold your breath for that one…
Comment by toasterhead — August 22, 2007 @ 11:20 am
Just thought I'd throw that out there -- for giggles. :)
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amWe’ll just say that I must be a Conservative because I LOVE oxycodone these days. :-)
I am up and moving around finally…..
Comment by hacker bob — August 22, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Heh. I'd call you "Rush," but you probably aren't moving that fast. :-D
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 amHeh. I’d call you “Rush,†but you probably aren’t moving that fast. :-D
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Hey, I am half the man Rush is. Just ask my scale.....
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 amWhat is wrong with taking a bunch of bad guys out of commission?
Comment by American Wonder
Dude, your hero Bush, gave them a bigger and better 'commission'.
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August 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 amblacks are cowards .blacks would rather shoot people in drive by shootings instead
Comment by noname1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:03 am
blacks ain’t giving up their welfare checks to fight.
Comment by noname1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:04 am
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 amhmmm no they probably remember the black segregated units in WWII and how they were one of the most decorated units ever and were consistently sent on near suicide missions. You are a racist, bigot.
wow! We've got a troll channeling Rush and Mikey Savage here this morning.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amOh, and m1/2 forgetting to tell us about the 64% of Americans in his poll who are worried about the loss of civil liberties with the imposition of post 9/11 security measures...
blacks are cowards .blacks would rather shoot people in drive by shootings instead
Comment by noname1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:03 am
blacks ain’t giving up their welfare checks to fight.
Comment by noname1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:04 am
AWWWW! Another Chickenhawk KKK troll heard from.
Don't let that hood get too tight, might restrict the blood to your mini-brain.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmtruth hurts don't it
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:08 pmtruth hurts don’t it
Comment by noname1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Well, I DID warn you about that hood. Loosen it up a bit and it will stop hurting as much.
Gotta tell these trolls everything any more.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmoh what a suprise.I was just reading the LA Times.Another story about blacks doing a drive by killing a 1 year old black baby..
when will black violence stop?
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August 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 pmblacks ain’t giving up their welfare checks to fight.
Comment by nobrain1234 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Really? How so?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmDubya did NOT serve honorably in the Guard, which, in the time period in question did not generally deploy overseas.
Comment by blogbob — August 22, 2007 @ 10:18 am
veritas’ name was hijacked in that comment — you would only be responding to an idiotic troll.
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Whatever. Dubya was a deserter. Troll or not, the original comment was false. He and a large number of his contemporary conservatives used the Guard to escape going to Vietnam. Contrast to Chuck Robb, John Kerry, Al Gore, all of whom participated in that waste of 57,000 American lives.
No doubt Tomorrow's NeoCon spawn are currently avoiding the military. It's just easier now since it's "all volunteer." I notice they don't bother recruiting at the malls on the rich side of town--only the po' side.
I agree with Rangel--bring back the Draft, and make sure politicians' kids are first in line. Then war will REALLY be a last resort.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmit'll stop when whyt violence stops.....
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded that “the fundamental difference†between the conflicts [of Iraq and Vietnam] is that Bush generated support for “the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses.â€"
Wait, what? That's a DIFFERENCE?
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe failing president demands a Potemkin scene in order to defend his equally false presidency.
Potemkin villages scenes were settlements erected at the direction of Russian minister Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin to fool Empress Catherine II during her visit to Crimea in 1787.
Potemkin had hollow facades of villages constructed along the desolate banks of the Dnieper River in order to impress the monarch and her travel party with the value of her new conquests.
Something Bush should be familiar with -- a facade of buildings used in Hollywood "old west" movies. He is a presidential facade. A fake.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmHis minions see to it that nothing is seen that might upset the emperor.
Bush stops for a photo op at the MN bridge site before he heads off to a fund raiser for Coleman.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmSo the taxpayers pay for his trip to MN - Coleman gets a free ride, Bush gets a photo.
Is that how it works?
A White House manual released recently discloses extensive instructions given to White House staffers in the art of “deterring potential protestors†from Bush’s public appearances. The manual demonstrates “that the White House has a policy of excluding and/or attempting to squelch dissenting viewpoints from presidential events,â€
He's the "tough guy" who can save us from the terrorists, just don't expect his fragile ego to be handle dissenters in his own country! LMAO!!!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:41 pmasiodufasdklfjasdofuasdofi test
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:50 pmDemoncrats are scared to death of FoxNews Channel--the ONLY channel in all of the media landscape that's fair and balanced, puts on guests of opposing views, and refuses to push stories based on liberal ideology.
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmDemoncrats are scared to death of FoxNews Channel--the ONLY channel in all of the media landscape that's fair and balanced, puts on guests of opposing views, and refuses to push stories based on liberal ideology. Demoncrats ought to be ashamed of themselves--and, consequently, be boycotted by the important swing voters and independents--for having the conspiracy-minded gall to blacklist FoxNews!
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmThese paranoid and mentally ill ideologues refuse to appear on FoxNews
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:52 pmFoxNews for illegitimate reasons, the primary one among them being
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:53 pmthey are concerned about being asked the TOUGH questions that the Hannitys
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pmand O'Reillys continually ask in their news analysis
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:55 pmand O'Reillys continually ask in their news skewering shows
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:55 pmClinton, Obama-Osama and Edwards only go to lesbo-queer debates and ones sponsored by CNN for the softball questions that don't ask them about their policies.
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pmIf Dems can't stand up to FoxNews, they obviously will have a hard time fighting terrorists and hostile foreign leaders.
August 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pm