In her first public comments since her husband’s death by friendly fire, Marie Tillman, wife of NFL athlete-turned-Army Ranger Pat Tillman, said that the nation needs real leaders. “We are in need of authentic leadership on many levels,” said Tillman.
The nerve of her. We are doing fine with the cardboard cut-out of a Chimpanzee in a flightsuit, thank you very much.
-GSD
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmQ. Why didn’t Noam Chomsky tell America Tillman was against the war in Iraq soon as he heard Pat had been killed?
A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmQ. Why didn’t Noam Chomsky tell America Tillman was against the war in Iraq soon as he heard Pat had been killed?
A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
straw man thing, huh? not authentic.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 pm‘authentic’…….as in legally elected? or other than fascist
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 pmPersonally, I believe that no comment is required on this brave woman’s statement. She has suffered more then enough.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmWell then joe cantwell why else would Chomsky not tell us?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmComment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Chomsky is liar and an anti-American, Islamoapologist.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 pmThinkaboutit?…and why should I,,,, when you didn’t Wienerboy listener…bahahhahaaa
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmWell then AVGVSTVS why else would Chomsky not tell us?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmA. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Talk about “Full of Crap”… gotta put that in Caps!!! ;-D!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pm“Wienerboy listener”?
What is this the third grade?
How about you JJ?
why did Chomsky not tell us?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmChomsky is liar and an anti-American, Islamoapologist.
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Please explain this in meaningful, articulate terms, and not irrational ad hominems.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmHow about you The Republic of Stupidity?
why did Chomsky not tell us?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmWell then AVGVSTVS why else would Chomsky not tell us?
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
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Because he couldn’t lie about it if Tillman was still alive!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmAVGVSTVS I hate to break it to you but Tillman’s mother confirmed that Pat was against the war in Iraq as did some of the guys in his squad.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmUnfortunately, we don’t have a leader. We don’t have a statesman. We don’t have a President. We don’t have a commander-in-chief.
We have a mere politician, a little partisan hack who cares only about his own base of extremist right wing fools and not about the other 71% of America.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
Serious progress has been made in Iraq, and the troops know it. Even war critics have had a change of heart.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmwhy did Chomsky not tell us?
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
I wouldn’t presume to know. Chomsky knows and he’s the only one who knows for sure.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmAVGVSTVS I hate to break it to you but Tillman’s mother confirmed that Pat was against the war in Iraq as did some of the guys in his squad.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
well then why didn’t he tell us?
(see, i can be a troll too)
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmChommski a war profiteer??
LOL!!
Halinurton, KBR and Blackwater are war profiteers.
They’ve stolen billions.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 pmThe Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmif Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
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BWahhahahHAhHAhHAhhaHAAHHAhhahAhahHAHAhahAHahAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmStill waiting for you to answer the question joe can’twell.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmSome progress in Iraq?
LOL!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmAm I the only one who just now, by reading this, learned the Pat Tillman had a wife????
I have a great admiration for the Tillman family that I know about but, I wonder, where the wife was in the quest to find out what happened to her husband.
I will absolutely give her the benefit of the doubt with regard to not wanting to be in the public spotlight. I am very happy that his mother and brother are taking the lead there.
With all of the talk about the possible cover up - not to mention the possibility of murder - my heart truly goes out to her.
Perhaps I’ve just been living with my head in the sand in not knowing Tillman had a wife but, now the whole thing makes me even more sick!
Just one more victim to add to the tally.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmSo Tom3 because Halinurton, KBR and Blackwater are war profiteers Chomsky can’t be?
lol
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmBecause he couldn’t lie about it if Tillman was still alive!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Mere speculation. One could say it’s self-serving speculation because his conjecture somehow entitles “Augustus” to trash Chomsky.
One could easily suggest Chomsky didn’t speak up BEFORE Tillman’s death because he didn’t want to endanger Tillman’s life. Considering the circumstances SURROUNDING Tillman’s death, that theory would appear to have more validity than Augustus’ simplistic, crass one.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmChomsky can’t be?
lol
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
When you compare the amount of money Halliburton, KBR, and Blackwater are mking off the war versus the amount Chomsky is, your suposition is indeed ridiculous.
LMAOF at you!!! ;-D!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmI’ve left the thread. You people are sick!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 pmWhat the Chimp’s codpiece isn’t big enough to be “authentic”?
Beyond that. Good for her to find her voice. She is going through things I can’t imagine and putting her self out there in the arena takes guts. Look to see her smeared or dismissed right quick.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmThe Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Hey, feel free to speak for me. You can say whatever you want, ascribe motives, blah, blah, blah. It’s all just smoke. ;-D!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmThink?aboutit
US military said to have establishest ‘hit-gang’ hunting dissident US GIs:
Whenever you see ‘The death is currently under investigation’ .you know it was probably either a murder by the military or a suicide. They have a small gang attached here whom no one knows anything about but very strong and enduring rumor has it that they are an official ‘hit gang’ who go around offing GIs who are viewed as trouble makers or those who might talk too much if rotated.
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/138861
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 pmTell me The Republic of Stupidity how much is Chomsky making from his book sales?
Is it alot or a little?
Doesn’t matter.
His books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.
That makes him a war profiteer.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 pmMike — August 22, 2007
That’s sad but I don’t know why your telling me about it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmFTR I am against the war in Iraq.
I tried for days to think of any reason why Noam would fail to end it and according to occam’s razor what I have written is the reason for his failure.
By for now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmHis books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.
That makes him a war profiteer.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Hopelessly dishonest reasoning, and completely self-serving.
My goodness, this li’l trollie gives Chomsky alot of credit. Noam could have SINGLE-HANDEDLY stopped the war w/ one statement. I had no idea Noam was so powerful. Perhaps it is time to read his books!
One can’t help but come to the conclusion that Li’l Thinkie is terrified of Chomsky.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmThe Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.
Comment by Thinkaboutit
That is such a leap of stupidity. If Chomsky said a damn thing about it then it would be ridiculed as propaganda. If Tillman himself said it he would have been attacked as a person in uniform speaking against his Chimp in Chief by the right. Nothing would have happened and for you to say it would shows your ignorance or stupidity…..pick your poison.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmI tried for days to think of any reason why Noam would fail to end it and according to occam’s razor what I have written is the reason for his failure.
By for now.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
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Heheee!!
Good one!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmThe bottom of the barrel is definitely being scraped at Trolls ‘R Us. Damn, what idiots.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmWhy didn’t Chomsky say anything for months?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmGood one!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Geez… Noam Chomsky is really THAT powerful. No wonder you’re so afraid of him!!! ;-D!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmThinkaboutit’s uber machismo stands in stark contrast to AVGVSTVS’ feminine affectations. But as they settle in for an evening of mutual ego massage, it’s important for us to remember that while there is nothing wrong with them lovin’ each other up, their denial of their true nature is less than admirable.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
What’s with you, gay-boy?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmYou - babycakes!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmWhy didn’t Chomsky say anything for months?
Comment by Tom3
Um….he didn’t want to put a man who is in uniform, famous and in a combat zone under the scrutiny of his fellow servicemen, superiors and others by releasing information that might be considered a wrong thing to put out into the public while he is in combat?
How does that sound? Reasonable?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 pmComment by AVGVSTVS
How come you have no vowels? Are you an immigrant?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 pmThat last post was a lying troll stealing my nick.
Pat Tillman was murdered.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:53 pmAVGVSTVS sez:
Scintillating.
I pine for Seixon.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:53 pmHow does that sound? Reasonable?
Comment by dlet — August 22, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
Considering how Tillman died and the way his death was manipulated, WAAAAYYYYY TOOOO reasonable, dlet.
Painfully, disgustingly reasonable. Ooops, it’s all covered by ED now.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:55 pmwell then why didn’t he tell us?
Comment by joe cantwell — August 22, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
A. He did talk about it to his squad. He reported getting death threats to his mom for speaking against the war in Iraq.
B. Active duty soldiers are discouraged from speaking out in public forums and can get into trouble for doing so. Any idiot knows this. Thats why so few do it. At the time, no one was speaking out, and Tillman wrote to his mom about receiving death threats of getting “fragged” if he didn’t stop talking bad about Bush or the war in Iraq.
Tillman was a good man. Something a goosestepper like you will never understand.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmA. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.
Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Just when you think that the TP trolls cannot possibly be any more stupid, one of them rolls out something like this.
Noam Chomsky making a fortune on books and the lecture circuit. If this isn’t parody, someone needs to rush medication to the troll.
And to Mr Pee, aka AVGVSTVS , who proves once again that he’s even stupider than the stupidest troll, which is a physical impossibility — yet there he is.
Noam Chomsky is a genius, a patriot, and one of America’s best. Mr Pee, on the other hand, is a fool. I’d call him a derivative thinker, but that would imply the ability to “think”, which is clearly another impossibility.
Mr Pee, you truly are not worthy to scrub Noam’s underwear out with your chin.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmPat Tillman was a true American hero. The republicans co-opted his sacrifice for political theatrics. The Republicans know neither shame nor patriotism.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:58 pmThese trolls are real scumbags.
Hijacking my nick just shows how desperate they are.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmMr. Monkey,
Aren’t you banned from TP?
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmDon’t flatter yourself Tom3, you’re not worth name-jacking!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmMr Pee, you truly are not worthy to scrub Noam’s underwear out with your chin.
Comment by gummitch — August 22, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Ugh.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmAren’t you banned from TP?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
Aren’t you?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 pmAren’t you banned from TP?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
Aren’t you?
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Aren’t you?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmAVGVSTVS sez:
Gonna rat me out, Mr. Pee?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmWho gave the order to murder Pat Tillman?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmMr. Monkey,
Nah, I’m not gonna rat you out. I like you.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmI’ll bet you dream of jacking his name.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmAVGVSTVS sez:
Funny, then, how originally how you went on and on about how I was “subverting TP’s will” by finding ways around their ban, and repeatedly called for admin intervention to silence me.
You’re not fooling anyone, Mr. Pee…,but even you must know that by now…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 pmAnother endorsement for Fred Thompson!
Better Fred than Dead.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 pm“Another endorsement for Fred Thompson! ”
Mrs.Tillman said “authentic”, not a bald blowhard actor.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 pmFred Thompsoon IS dead.
He’s a fukcing corpse.
And his campaign is dead and it hasn’t even started.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmAnother endorsement for Fred Thompson!
Better Fred than Dead.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
So, do you smoke this stuff or inject it?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmAren’t you?
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Exactly.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:14 pmYou’re not fooling anyone, Mr. Pee…,but even you must know that by now…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
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Fooling anyone about what?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:14 pmFooling anyone about what?
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Anything.
Just my opinion….
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmDon’t flatter yourself Tom3, “you’re not worth name-jacking!
Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
I’ll bet you dream of jacking his name.”
I’ll bet he dreams of jacking me off.
These Repuke trolls are all cum-guzzling closet cases.
Just like their beloved Chimp
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmDon’t hold back, bro.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 pmAnything.
Just my opinion….
Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
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Good. Because I don’t intend to.
I’m an honest guy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 pmGood. Because I don’t intend to.
I’m an honest guy.
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
No, you’re not.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 pmSure I am!
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 pmSure I am!
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
No, really, you’re not. You even lie to yourself.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 pmI always lie.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmFunny the press never mentioned Pat Tillman had a wife. Now she steps forward, but still avoids the fact her husband was murdered.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmJay Randall sez:
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this corrupt and criminal administration made it clear to Mrs. Tillman that the continued well-being of her children and herself depended upon her “playing ball” with these disgusting murderers…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 pmOh boy another idiotic conspiracy theory. A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 pmI always lie.
Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
Wow… you must confuse yourself so badly. You really gotta be careful about that sort of thing. People who lie all the time get better and better at it, until it becomes automatic, and even THEY can’t tell when they’re lying or not. Seriously…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 pmOh boy another idiotic conspiracy theory. A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Why don’ you give us an articulated, meaningful explanation of that?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmAs soon as I hear this “theory”.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmFrank > are you the AIDS guy on the thread above?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 pmAs soon as I hear this “theoryâ€.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Looks like it’s all laid out in black & white, Frankie.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmThen it should be easy to explain. Let’s hear it.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmFrank J sez:
So…you’re ridiculing a theory you haven’t even heard yet?
A more complete encapsulation of the idiocy of our resident trolls simply could not be asked for.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmAs soon as I hear this “theoryâ€.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Yo, pinhead, you’re the one who said it was a theory.
Can you really lick your own balls?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmEducate me on this theory so that I may bow down to the all mighty knowledge of those who suffer from BDS.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmAs soon as I hear this “theoryâ€.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
You’ve already labeled it “an idiotic conspiracy theory”. Surely you understand your own words, Frank. Please explain.
And “Bush Derangement Syndrome”… does this have to do w/ thinking God is talking to you? Bush did claim “God told me to smite [Saddam Hussein]. And I smote him.†Did God really talk to George? Or did George lie? Or is he delusional?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmAh so there is a consensus among law enforcement and the military that Tillman was murdered. I must have been out of the country at the time.
Then link the appropriate news stories.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmWhile you are at it please link the story where Bush said God told him to remove Saddam.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by DISTURBIA
woa pal, you misunderstood my satire…
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 pmSo Frank J, explain your theory about why Bush claims EP in Tillman’s death?
Any rational explanation? It smells like a dead fish from here.
You defend Bush at every opportunity, knock yourself out.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 pmThen link the appropriate news stories.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
You aksed for it, you got it, Frankie! Anything for you, Bubbie!
Was Tillman Murdered? AP Gets New Documents
Published: July 26, 2007 11:30 PM ET
SAN FRANCISCO Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.
“The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ eandp/ news/ article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003617692
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmchirp…..chirp….chirp……
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 pmAnd Francine, I have posted many times the links to Jesus and Bush blowing in each other’s ears. Google it you lazy sh*t.
You smaglicking “Bush is My God” sycophants are sick f*cks.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 pmFrank J sez:
Here are Chimpy’s own words, dolt:
Always happy to help, idiot.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 pmJay said he was murdered. The story says he “may” have been murdered and then by his own men if at all. The investigators say otherwise. But if this is the theory then great, it is sad if he was “fragged” by his own men. Though there is no evidence of either other than the opinion given in this report. But nice try.
This does help explain how another side effect of BDS is that people try and read Bush into everything that goes on.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmThese must be hard times for Frank J. Glug, glug, Frank, the ship is going down.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmSo you don’t have a news story just another BDS victim?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 pmI really wish TP would stop running Tillman stories. It just provides an opportunity for the trolls to sh!t on his memory. Very sick.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 pmThree holes in a tight pattern? Probably needs to be investigated, but Bush won’t stand for that.
Why not?
Come on Francine, why not? why EP.
chirp…chirp…slurp
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 pmBush, Bush everywhere…
This summer—in between weekly encounters on radio and in print exchanges with those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome—I tried to get away, by climbing as many peaks in the Kaiser wilderness as possible, and marveled over the relative emptiness of that part of the central Sierra.
Recently I went up on the so-called Kaiser Loop, a 15-mile round-about hike to Kaiser Peak (about 10,300 feet). Lo and behold!—there were three hikers on the summit in that rarified atmosphere. And after exchanging pleasantries about the beauties of the empty wilderness, one well spoken and nice person remarked about the exploitation of the forests (yet not a house, road, or human to be seen), and the greed of developers (the nearest road hasn’t been improved since the 1940s).
Then Presto!—out came Katrina, Iraq, Bush this, Bush that. The clear air, the panoramic vista, the Sierra junipers—none of that could stop the onset of this paroxysm, this fit of madness. I hiked down, unsure whether I should have called the paramedics to copter him to Fresno.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 amSo you don’t have a news story just another BDS victim?
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
I’m sorry, Frank, but Mr Pee has the award tonight. You can try again tomorrow.
Stupidest Troll in the World!!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 amNo reply, huh, Frankie? Can’t say I’m surprised…
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 amLOL Frank > I said Pat was murdered, but I did not say Bush shot him. You trolls always try to insinuate things into what we post on here.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 amSo Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 amSo Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Is this freak dense or what?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 amFrank > there needs to be an investigation to find out who murdered Tillman and if a conspiracy was involved.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 amWhile you are at it please link the story where Bush said God told him to remove Saddam.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Anything for you, Frank, anything.
http://www.haaretz.com/ hasen/ pages/ ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 amDo you have a shrine to your God Bush Francine? Do you pray for little George to keep you safe?
He is infallible you know.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 amGlug, glug, Frank, the ship is going down.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 22, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
That’s “glub… glub… glub…”
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 amSo Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am
You mean, did Bush show up in Iraq in a combat zone?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Daamn, boy, you funny.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 amBut nice try.
This does help explain how another side effect of BDS is that people try and read Bush into everything that goes on.
Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
I asked you to define this BDS, but you won’t. Is it because you can’t?
You asked for links, you got ‘em, but you just offer up snide empty insults.
Whatsamatta, Frankie, ain’t got no facts???
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 am“Am I the only one who just now, by reading this, learned the Pat Tillman had a wife????”
It was news to me too. First I heard of her. I wonder why she has been silent for so long and is now speaking up.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 23, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Sorry, TRoS, but I hit Frank with that back in my earlier post…seeing as how he’s been ignoring me ever since, I doubt he’ll have the courage to reply to you…
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 amFrancine is offering her version of Executive Privilege. Don’t answer any questions, don’t provide any facts or reason.
Trolls are proof that you can live on a diet of smag and dingleberries. And KKKarl makes sure they are well fed.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 amSo Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Bush is attempting to use executive privilege to cover up details of the murder.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 amPersonally, I would call that accessory to conspiracy to commit murder.
The facts are that the Tillman death was investigated and it was found he was killed by friendly fire.
The other fact is that Abbas said Bush said God told him to take out Saddam so I consider the source and the jumping on by the BDS sites though it is more likely he took out Al Qaeda because they attacked us and Saddam because he agreed with Clinton, Gore and Kerry on the topic. Did he pray about it? Certainly. Does he as a Christian want to do God’s will of course. Does that mean that he heard the voice of God on this subject, of course not.
Any facts I’m missing?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 am“His books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.
That makes him a war profiteer.
Comment by Thinkaboutit”
Are you really delusional enough to think that if Norm Chomsky had told the world that Pat Tillman was anti war it would have ended the war? What kind of drugs are you taking? Is this some new right wing talking point? If it is, it’s a pretty stupid talking point.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 amMaybe Frank can share with us how much it hurts to be a Republican these days. The pain of seeing his party in its death throes must be exquisite.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 amIf Bush fired a gun, then he would shoot his own foot off. Cheney just knows how to pepper hunting buddies with birdshot pellets.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 amI wonder why she has been silent for so long and is now speaking up.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 23, 2007 @ 12:09 am
I seem to recall something about her “going into seclusion”. My guess is the poor woman had a nervous breakdown. Or has just been grieving.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 amAny facts I’m missing?
Comment by Frank J
A cluster of 3 to the noggin.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:16 amAn Example of BDS.
Bush, Bush everywhere…
This summer—in between weekly encounters on radio and in print exchanges with those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome—I tried to get away, by climbing as many peaks in the Kaiser wilderness as possible, and marveled over the relative emptiness of that part of the central Sierra.
Recently I went up on the so-called Kaiser Loop, a 15-mile round-about hike to Kaiser Peak (about 10,300 feet). Lo and behold!—there were three hikers on the summit in that rarified atmosphere. And after exchanging pleasantries about the beauties of the empty wilderness, one well spoken and nice person remarked about the exploitation of the forests (yet not a house, road, or human to be seen), and the greed of developers (the nearest road hasn’t been improved since the 1940s).
Then Presto!—out came Katrina, Iraq, Bush this, Bush that. The clear air, the panoramic vista, the Sierra junipers—none of that could stop the onset of this paroxysm, this fit of madness. I hiked down, unsure whether I should have called the paramedics to copter him to Fresno.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 amPersonally, I would call that accessory to conspiracy to commit murder.
Comment by Wayne — August 23, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Or accessory after the fact, at a minimum. That’s what claiming EP could get him.
Hey Wayne, how many times did you jump out of perfectly good airplanes today?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 amComment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:17 am
How many times are you going to post that crap?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 amFrank > a phony investigation was done. REAL investigation is needed.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 amHey Wayne, how many times did you jump out of perfectly good airplanes today?
Comment by Zooey
None today, too many nasty looking clouds.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:19 amTwice yesterday =)
So it is phony until you get the results you want?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 amSo it is phony until you get the results you want?
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Oooooh, a quiz!
Why do trolls imagine they’re Socratic geniuses?
Uh, uh, I give up! I wanna be a republicoid!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 amNone today, too many nasty looking clouds.
Twice yesterday =)
Comment by Wayne — August 23, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Cool. I hope you’re having fun on your vacation!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 amSo it is phony until you get the results you want?
Comment by Frank J
Every story of the Tillman Murder told by the Bush Whitehouse has proven out to be a lie. The true story has yet to be told.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:28 am“Jay said he was murdered. The story says he “may†have been murdered and then by his own men if at all. The investigators say otherwise.”
You are right Francine, all the investigators that participated in the coverup say that he was not murdered. But, we can’t know the truth because Congress can’t get to his medical records because Bush has claimed Executive Privilege in releasing them. This I find rather strange because EP is supposed to apply to things that the President is involved in. And Bush says he had nothing to do with the cover-up of Tillman’s death. So, if he has nothing to hide, why won’t he allow the Army to release Pat Tillman’s medical records to Congress who wants to do an independent investigation. You know what independent means don’t you Frankie. An investigation not by the people who have a lot to lose if it turns out that Pat Tillman was, in fact murdered.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 amAgain, that feeds the BDS. The military is guilty of stupidity in not coming out and saying what happened because it would have been a PR nightmare..which of course by not telling what happened it became anyway.
That is a far cry from the BDS that leads to the belief that he was murdered by the administration. For reasons I’m sure BDS can easily provide.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 amNo Frank > REAL investigation is done by impartial team of experts.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:32 amSome other relevant facts:
Tillman’s uniform and protective gear were burned on the spot, pre-investigation.
The soldiers with him were told to not tell the truth to Tillman’s brother.
There was no evidence of enemy fire.
The doctors who did the investigation recommended a crimninal investigation, but it didn’t happen.
And Wyne’s point, which ios entirely lost on non-shooters, the three round burst to the forehead.
Any other facts we should ignore to keep the shit off our diety?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 am“The facts are that the Tillman death was investigated and it was found he was killed by friendly fire.”
Ok Francine, if that’s all there is to it, then why is Bush trying to keep Congress from seeing his medical records? Why has Bush declared EP if it was simply “friendly fire”?
Anyone besides me notice that Francine likes to ask questions, but does not answer questions. That’s why I call him Francine, because he doesn’t have the balls to answer questions.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:34 amCareful, boys… you’re going after Frankie w/ “facts” and “meaningful questions”. Don’t wanna overwhelm him, do ya?
Indeed, why do “facts” and “meaningful questions” hate America so?
Hey, Frankie’s gonna treat the whole thread to Freedom Fries! Git’em while they’re pipin’ hot, folks! Yum!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 amCongress independent investigation is an oxymoron. The BDS crowd could careless about Tillman. They want to use a military man’s death to further their sick BDS wishful thinking.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:35 am“Any other facts we should ignore to keep the shit off our diety?
Comment by chingebush”
One other relevant fact. They burned his diary. Now why would they do that? Why would they burn his uniform? Why have they never identified who was the soldier that fired the fatal shot? Why did they refuse to have an impartial investigation.
So Francine, you are so good at asking questions. Why don’t you take a stab at answering these questions. Go on, maybe you can win your balls back.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 amFrank > if Bush has nothing to hide, then REAL investigation would exonerate him.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 amCongress independent investigation is an oxymoron. The BDS crowd could careless about Tillman. They want to use a military man’s death to further their sick BDS wishful thinking.
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Wow!!! Talk about empty calories. You just said a whole lot of NOTHING!Try again.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 amCome on everyone. From this day forward “Frank J” is not Francine. He is an empty suit, a straw man with no substance. He asks questions which we answer. But, whenever we ask him questions, he lacks the balls to answer the questions. All he does is change the subject or throw out another straw man.
So, from this day forward Think Progress posters will call Frank J Francine in honor of his lack of balls.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 amoops… Should have said “now Francine”, not “not Francine”. I hate it when I do that.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 amFunny that the GOPers were allowed to dig through every trash pile on Clinton, but Bush is supposed to be treated special huh?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:39 amThis Tillman issue is beyond partisan. We could disagree on the budget for welfare, we could even disagree about to what extent Bush lied to drag us into his war, but to defend the cover up of a possible murder of a fine soldier is beyond belief.
These “people” are sickening, disgusting losers that shoudn’t be suffered.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:41 amIt is very reasonable to want the killer of Tillman to be found out. That soldier would need to explain the 3 shots to Pat’s forehead at close range.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 amSo, from this day forward Think Progress posters will call Frank J Francine in honor of his lack of balls.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 23, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Frank could always try a pair of Neuticlesâ„¢
http://www.neuticles.com
Isn’t he friends w/ Dr. Dog? Tha Dawg’s been sportin’ a pair after he got “tutored” here. Frankie should just ask Dawg “How’re they hangin’, Doggie?”
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 amBDS of course makes everything into a conspiracy. In this case EP in the Tillman case. The military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records. What Congress wants is the internal discussion about the spin put on the story. For political reasons of course. The WH says no. They shouldn’t they should give the moonbats what they want and then talk about how they are using a military man’s death for political purposes.
Next.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:43 amFor political reasons of course. The WH says no. They shouldn’t they should give the moonbats what they want and then talk about how they are using a military man’s death for political purposes.
Proof, or, GASP!!! It’s just… a CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! OMG!!! ;-D!!!
Jes funsin’ wid ya, Francie. How they hangin’??
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 amNo, it’s like this, Francie…
NEXT!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 amA couple more facts. The Pentagon invented a rather involved fantasy about enemy action and presented it to his family as truth. The White House confirmed.
Then, when word got out, they invented another fantasy about an “accidental” shooting at long range. A supposition that directly contradicts published, official, documents. The White House confirmed this second lie.
The military did investigate but, there was no criminal investigation despite the coroner’s request.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:46 amLast press article I saw on Tillman mentioned a cargo humvee following behind caravan of military vehicles and mercenary snipers in the humvee. If Bush is covering for Blackwater assassins, then he is in deep poop if it comes out.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:48 amThe military did investigate but, there was no criminal investigation despite the coroner’s request.
Comment by pete — August 23, 2007 @ 12:46 am
Well, damn those facts, pete. Thank God George didn’t have to fly home from another vacation in Crwford to issue emergency pardons!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 amIn most cases friendly fire is not a crime.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 amI get it: Frank has BDS-DS.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:50 amThey investigated the incident and found no criminal acts a death caused by friendly fire..damn those facts pete.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:50 amIn most cases friendly fire is not a crime.
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:49 am
Three tighly grouped shots in forehead? And you’re NOT upset and suspicious? You need to be tested for drugs, Francie!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 am“The military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records.”
Proof Francine. You are always asking us to prove what we say, now you prove what you said. Give us a link to any reputable source that says that the military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 amI’m sure the moonbats have a motive for Tillman’s “murder”?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 amFrank has BDS-DS.
Comment by VerbalKint — August 23, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Appears to be somewhat more severe.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:52 amFrank > Pat had 3 bullet holes in his forehead. Kind of hard to make that an accident. Seems somebody wanted Tillman positively dead.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:52 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 07/ 13/ AR2007071301929.html
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 amSo Francine says that Bush has declared EP because he thinks that the Democrats are on a witch hunt.
Well, Francine, if he has nothing to hide why is he hiding behind EP?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 amIt might end up that a Blackwater mercenary sniper just wanted a thrill and plugged Tillman in the head for fun.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 am“papers do not include critical documents that would show communications between senior administration officials and top military officers shortly after Tillman was killed in Afghanistan in 2004.”
From the article that Francine linked to. So Francine, why would Bush not want Congress to have the documents that told about communications between senior administration officials and top military officers shortly after he was killed? What do they have to hide?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 amCome on Jay I know you have a motive.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 amOne last try.
FRANCINE: What is Bush hiding? If he and his administration did nothing wrong then why are they withholding the requested documents?
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 amMercenaries have been filmed in Iraq shooting old men, women, and children for sport, so maybe one of them did Tillman in Afghanistan.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 amGoing out on a limb here…but I would say….politics.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:58 amFrank > motive is found out when the killer is revealed. He will have to say WHY he shot Pat in forehead 3 times.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 amThe one question I would like to see answered is “Who shot Pat Tillman”. With todays forensics, it would have been very easy for the military to identify the gun that fired the fatal bullets. Why have they never done that? Aren’t they interested in who shot him? If not, why not? They have admitted that there was no enemy fire anywhere around where Pat Tillman and his unit were, so why did someone shoot him 3 times in the head?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 am“Going out on a limb here…but I would say….politics.
Comment by Frank J “
Is that an answer to the questions I asked you? If so, it makes no sense.
Why can’t you answer the questions people are posing to you?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 amNo motive eh?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 amMercenary assassin might claim he disliked Tillman being a football star, and wanted a thrill to blow his brains out, or that he was paid to kill him.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:03 amYou not liking the answer is not the same as me not answering.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 am“Marie Tillman, wife of NFL athlete-turned-Army Ranger Pat Tillman, said that the nation needs real leaders”
Who? The wife of an ex president who ignored intelligence that led to 9/11? A muslim? An ex Vice President who wants to rebuild New Orleans even though he predicts sea levels will rise 20 feet? An ambulance chaser?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 amNot only BDS but an imagination as well…impressive.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:05 am“You not liking the answer is not the same as me not answering.
Comment by Frank J “
Oh, you answered the questions. Where? I must have missed it. All I saw was your saying that Bush has the right to EP because he thinks that Congress is on a witch hunt.
The important question that you refuse to answer is:
What does Bush have to hide. Why is he refusing to turn over the documents? If he has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to hide, does he?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:07 amHow come TP hasn’t started a post about the latest intelligence report that lays the neglect of bin laden’s attack on us right at clinton’s feet? TP, we are waiting?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:07 amI’m off to bed. Trying to get an answer out of Francine is like beating your head against a stone wall.
Sorry Francine, you didn’t earn your balls back.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 amTillman died because clinton ignored intelligence!
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 amI have to go to bed too > bye all and take care.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 amAny facts I’m missing?
Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Nice of you to rewrite the story to fit your Bush Derangement Syndrome. that’s right, Frank, you have BDS worse than any liberal. We hate Bush because of what he’s done; you love bush because of what you THINK he’s done. BDS, by all rights, belongs to the Bush-fellating whores like you, frank. BDS is all yours. it must just suck out loud to be a Republican.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 am“Comment by ronjazz — August 23, 2007″
Hey ron! I’m still waiting for you to produce the lie I made with wayne!
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 amRon, the lie?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 amRon, everyones waiting?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 amRon, are you hiding under your bed?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 amGeez, mikey, Clinton was still president on 9/11? How did everybody miss that? Bush failed to secure the USA, Bush ran away and hid, Bush failed to stop the anthrax attacks, Bush failed to secure iraq, bush let Osama get away twice AFTER 9/11. Your BDS is acting up again, like Frank J’s little fantasy. I can easily imagine Bush ordering tillman killed to avoid the embarrassment of an honest appraisal of Bush’s Disaster In The desert by someone who would be listened to closely by the whole country. Easily. Bush has proves since he was a child that he has no respect or regard for human life, so until he lets the records be seen by the public, I have to assume he set up Tillman. If he’s not guilty, what’s he hiding?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:17 amJesus, michael. Try not to be so f*cking pathetic.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 amTillman died because clinton ignored intelligence!
Comment by michael
I think the Intelligence being Ignored is possessed by a person who cant define sovereignity.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 amMore facts:
Tillman, a former National Football League player, died when fellow soldiers accidentally shot and killed him near the Afghan-Pakistani border April 22, 2004. Initial reports, however, incorrectly stated the soldier was killed by enemy fire.
One week after Tillman’s death, Army Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, then the Joint Staf