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Tillman’s wife: nation needs ‘authentic leadership.’»

In her first public comments since her husband’s death by friendly fire, Marie Tillman, wife of NFL athlete-turned-Army Ranger Pat Tillman, said that the nation needs real leaders. “We are in need of authentic leadership on many levels,” said Tillman.




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258 Responses to “Tillman’s wife: nation needs ‘authentic leadership.’”

  1. GSD Says:

    The nerve of her. We are doing fine with the cardboard cut-out of a Chimpanzee in a flightsuit, thank you very much.

    -GSD


  2. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Q. Why didn’t Noam Chomsky tell America Tillman was against the war in Iraq soon as he heard Pat had been killed?

    A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.


  3. joe cantwell Says:

    Q. Why didn’t Noam Chomsky tell America Tillman was against the war in Iraq soon as he heard Pat had been killed?

    A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    straw man thing, huh? not authentic.


  4. JJ Says:

    ‘authentic’…….as in legally elected? or other than fascist


  5. WaltTheMan Says:

    Personally, I believe that no comment is required on this brave woman’s statement. She has suffered more then enough.


  6. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Well then joe cantwell why else would Chomsky not tell us?


  7. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Chomsky is liar and an anti-American, Islamoapologist.


  8. JJ Says:

    Thinkaboutit?…and why should I,,,, when you didn’t Wienerboy listener…bahahhahaaa


  9. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Well then AVGVSTVS why else would Chomsky not tell us?


  10. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Talk about “Full of Crap”… gotta put that in Caps!!! ;-D!!!


  11. Thinkaboutit Says:

    “Wienerboy listener”?

    What is this the third grade?

    How about you JJ?

    why did Chomsky not tell us?


  12. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Chomsky is liar and an anti-American, Islamoapologist.

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:14 pm

    Please explain this in meaningful, articulate terms, and not irrational ad hominems.


  13. Thinkaboutit Says:

    How about you The Republic of Stupidity?

    why did Chomsky not tell us?


  14. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Well then AVGVSTVS why else would Chomsky not tell us?

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:17 pm

    Because he couldn’t lie about it if Tillman was still alive!


  15. Thinkaboutit Says:

    AVGVSTVS I hate to break it to you but Tillman’s mother confirmed that Pat was against the war in Iraq as did some of the guys in his squad.


  16. UpFromTheSkies Says:

    Unfortunately, we don’t have a leader. We don’t have a statesman. We don’t have a President. We don’t have a commander-in-chief.

    We have a mere politician, a little partisan hack who cares only about his own base of extremist right wing fools and not about the other 71% of America.


  17. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

    Serious progress has been made in Iraq, and the troops know it. Even war critics have had a change of heart.


  18. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    why did Chomsky not tell us?

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

    I wouldn’t presume to know. Chomsky knows and he’s the only one who knows for sure.


  19. joe cantwell Says:

    AVGVSTVS I hate to break it to you but Tillman’s mother confirmed that Pat was against the war in Iraq as did some of the guys in his squad.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

    well then why didn’t he tell us?

    (see, i can be a troll too)


  20. Tom3 Says:

    Chommski a war profiteer??

    LOL!!

    Halinurton, KBR and Blackwater are war profiteers.

    They’ve stolen billions.


  21. Thinkaboutit Says:

    The Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.


  22. AVGVSTVS Says:

    if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm

    BWahhahahHAhHAhHAhhaHAAHHAhhahAhahHAHAhahAHahAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


  23. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Still waiting for you to answer the question joe can’twell.


  24. Tom3 Says:

    Some progress in Iraq?

    LOL!!


  25. Richard Cowen Says:

    Am I the only one who just now, by reading this, learned the Pat Tillman had a wife????

    I have a great admiration for the Tillman family that I know about but, I wonder, where the wife was in the quest to find out what happened to her husband.

    I will absolutely give her the benefit of the doubt with regard to not wanting to be in the public spotlight. I am very happy that his mother and brother are taking the lead there.

    With all of the talk about the possible cover up - not to mention the possibility of murder - my heart truly goes out to her.

    Perhaps I’ve just been living with my head in the sand in not knowing Tillman had a wife but, now the whole thing makes me even more sick!

    Just one more victim to add to the tally.


  26. Thinkaboutit Says:

    So Tom3 because Halinurton, KBR and Blackwater are war profiteers Chomsky can’t be?

    lol


  27. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Because he couldn’t lie about it if Tillman was still alive!

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

    Mere speculation. One could say it’s self-serving speculation because his conjecture somehow entitles “Augustus” to trash Chomsky.

    One could easily suggest Chomsky didn’t speak up BEFORE Tillman’s death because he didn’t want to endanger Tillman’s life. Considering the circumstances SURROUNDING Tillman’s death, that theory would appear to have more validity than Augustus’ simplistic, crass one.


  28. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Chomsky can’t be?

    lol

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:28 pm

    When you compare the amount of money Halliburton, KBR, and Blackwater are mking off the war versus the amount Chomsky is, your suposition is indeed ridiculous.

    LMAOF at you!!! ;-D!!!


  29. WaltTheMan Says:

    I’ve left the thread. You people are sick!


  30. dlet Says:

    What the Chimp’s codpiece isn’t big enough to be “authentic”?

    Beyond that. Good for her to find her voice. She is going through things I can’t imagine and putting her self out there in the arena takes guts. Look to see her smeared or dismissed right quick.


  31. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    The Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm

    Hey, feel free to speak for me. You can say whatever you want, ascribe motives, blah, blah, blah. It’s all just smoke. ;-D!!!


  32. Mike Says:

    Think?aboutit

    US military said to have establishest ‘hit-gang’ hunting dissident US GIs:
    Whenever you see ‘The death is currently under investigation’ .you know it was probably either a murder by the military or a suicide. They have a small gang attached here whom no one knows anything about but very strong and enduring rumor has it that they are an official ‘hit gang’ who go around offing GIs who are viewed as trouble makers or those who might talk too much if rotated.

    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/138861


  33. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Tell me The Republic of Stupidity how much is Chomsky making from his book sales?

    Is it alot or a little?

    Doesn’t matter.

    His books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.

    That makes him a war profiteer.


  34. Thinkaboutit Says:

    Mike — August 22, 2007

    That’s sad but I don’t know why your telling me about it.


  35. Thinkaboutit Says:

    FTR I am against the war in Iraq.

    I tried for days to think of any reason why Noam would fail to end it and according to occam’s razor what I have written is the reason for his failure.

    By for now.


  36. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    His books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.

    That makes him a war profiteer.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:33 pm

    Hopelessly dishonest reasoning, and completely self-serving.

    My goodness, this li’l trollie gives Chomsky alot of credit. Noam could have SINGLE-HANDEDLY stopped the war w/ one statement. I had no idea Noam was so powerful. Perhaps it is time to read his books!

    One can’t help but come to the conclusion that Li’l Thinkie is terrified of Chomsky.


  37. dlet Says:

    The Republic of Stupidity you know damn well if Chomsky had told people that Pat was against the war that it would have ended the war.
    Comment by Thinkaboutit

    That is such a leap of stupidity. If Chomsky said a damn thing about it then it would be ridiculed as propaganda. If Tillman himself said it he would have been attacked as a person in uniform speaking against his Chimp in Chief by the right. Nothing would have happened and for you to say it would shows your ignorance or stupidity…..pick your poison.


  38. AVGVSTVS Says:

    I tried for days to think of any reason why Noam would fail to end it and according to occam’s razor what I have written is the reason for his failure.

    By for now.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
    ————

    Heheee!!

    Good one!


  39. dlet Says:

    The bottom of the barrel is definitely being scraped at Trolls ‘R Us. Damn, what idiots.


  40. Tom3 Says:

    Why didn’t Chomsky say anything for months?


  41. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Good one!

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    Geez… Noam Chomsky is really THAT powerful. No wonder you’re so afraid of him!!! ;-D!!!


  42. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    I tried for days to think of any reason why Noam would fail to end it and according to occam’s razor what I have written is the reason for his failure.

    By for now.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:37 pm
    ————

    Heheee!!

    Good one!

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:42 pm

    Thinkaboutit’s uber machismo stands in stark contrast to AVGVSTVS’ feminine affectations. But as they settle in for an evening of mutual ego massage, it’s important for us to remember that while there is nothing wrong with them lovin’ each other up, their denial of their true nature is less than admirable.


  43. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    What’s with you, gay-boy?


  44. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 22, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    What’s with you, gay-boy?

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:49 pm

    You - babycakes!


  45. dlet Says:

    Why didn’t Chomsky say anything for months?
    Comment by Tom3

    Um….he didn’t want to put a man who is in uniform, famous and in a combat zone under the scrutiny of his fellow servicemen, superiors and others by releasing information that might be considered a wrong thing to put out into the public while he is in combat?

    How does that sound? Reasonable?


  46. dlet Says:

    Comment by AVGVSTVS

    How come you have no vowels? Are you an immigrant?


  47. Tom3 Says:

    That last post was a lying troll stealing my nick.

    Pat Tillman was murdered.


  48. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    AVGVSTVS sez:

    What’s with you, gay-boy?

    Scintillating.

    I pine for Seixon.


  49. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    How does that sound? Reasonable?

    Comment by dlet — August 22, 2007 @ 10:51 pm

    Considering how Tillman died and the way his death was manipulated, WAAAAYYYYY TOOOO reasonable, dlet.

    Painfully, disgustingly reasonable. Ooops, it’s all covered by ED now.


  50. DISTURBIA Says:

    well then why didn’t he tell us?

    Comment by joe cantwell — August 22, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

    A. He did talk about it to his squad. He reported getting death threats to his mom for speaking against the war in Iraq.

    B. Active duty soldiers are discouraged from speaking out in public forums and can get into trouble for doing so. Any idiot knows this. Thats why so few do it. At the time, no one was speaking out, and Tillman wrote to his mom about receiving death threats of getting “fragged” if he didn’t stop talking bad about Bush or the war in Iraq.

    Tillman was a good man. Something a goosestepper like you will never understand.


  51. gummitch Says:

    A. Chomsky is a War Profiteer who is making a fortune off this war via books sales and the lecture circuit and he doesn’t want the war to end.

    Comment by Thinkaboutit — August 22, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Just when you think that the TP trolls cannot possibly be any more stupid, one of them rolls out something like this.

    Noam Chomsky making a fortune on books and the lecture circuit. If this isn’t parody, someone needs to rush medication to the troll.

    And to Mr Pee, aka AVGVSTVS , who proves once again that he’s even stupider than the stupidest troll, which is a physical impossibility — yet there he is.

    Noam Chomsky is a genius, a patriot, and one of America’s best. Mr Pee, on the other hand, is a fool. I’d call him a derivative thinker, but that would imply the ability to “think”, which is clearly another impossibility.

    Mr Pee, you truly are not worthy to scrub Noam’s underwear out with your chin.


  52. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Pat Tillman was a true American hero. The republicans co-opted his sacrifice for political theatrics. The Republicans know neither shame nor patriotism.


  53. Tom3 Says:

    These trolls are real scumbags.

    Hijacking my nick just shows how desperate they are.


  54. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Mr. Monkey,

    Aren’t you banned from TP?


  55. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Don’t flatter yourself Tom3, you’re not worth name-jacking!


  56. Zooey Says:

    Mr Pee, you truly are not worthy to scrub Noam’s underwear out with your chin.
    Comment by gummitch — August 22, 2007 @ 10:57 pm

    Ugh.


  57. Zooey Says:

    Aren’t you banned from TP?
    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    Aren’t you?


  58. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Aren’t you banned from TP?
    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    Aren’t you?

    Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:01 pm

    Aren’t you?


  59. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    AVGVSTVS sez:

    Mr. Monkey,

    Aren’t you banned from TP?

    Gonna rat me out, Mr. Pee?


  60. Tom3 Says:

    Who gave the order to murder Pat Tillman?


  61. AVGVSTVS Says:

    Mr. Monkey,

    Nah, I’m not gonna rat you out. I like you.


  62. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Don’t flatter yourself Tom3, you’re not worth name-jacking!

    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    I’ll bet you dream of jacking his name.


  63. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    AVGVSTVS sez:

    Mr. Monkey,

    Nah, I’m not gonna rat you out. I like you.

    Funny, then, how originally how you went on and on about how I was “subverting TP’s will” by finding ways around their ban, and repeatedly called for admin intervention to silence me.

    You’re not fooling anyone, Mr. Pee…,but even you must know that by now…


  64. Frank J Says:

    Another endorsement for Fred Thompson!

    Better Fred than Dead.


  65. Glenda Beck Says:

    “Another endorsement for Fred Thompson! ”

    Mrs.Tillman said “authentic”, not a bald blowhard actor.


  66. Tom3 Says:

    Fred Thompsoon IS dead.

    He’s a fukcing corpse.

    And his campaign is dead and it hasn’t even started.


  67. gummitch Says:


    Another endorsement for Fred Thompson!

    Better Fred than Dead.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:10 pm

    So, do you smoke this stuff or inject it?


  68. Zooey Says:

    Aren’t you?
    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:02 pm

    Exactly.


  69. Makarios Says:

    You’re not fooling anyone, Mr. Pee…,but even you must know that by now…

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
    —————

    Fooling anyone about what?


  70. Zooey Says:

    Fooling anyone about what?
    Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

    Anything.

    Just my opinion….


  71. Tom3 Says:

    Don’t flatter yourself Tom3, “you’re not worth name-jacking!
    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    I’ll bet you dream of jacking his name.”

    I’ll bet he dreams of jacking me off.

    These Repuke trolls are all cum-guzzling closet cases.

    Just like their beloved Chimp


  72. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    Don’t flatter yourself Tom3, “you’re not worth name-jacking!
    Comment by AVGVSTVS — August 22, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    I’ll bet you dream of jacking his name.”

    I’ll bet he dreams of jacking me off.

    These Repuke trolls are all cum-guzzling closet cases.

    Just like their beloved Chimp

    Comment by Tom3 — August 22, 2007 @ 11:16 pm

    Don’t hold back, bro.


  73. Makarios Says:

    Anything.

    Just my opinion….

    Comment by Zooey — August 22, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
    ——-

    Good. Because I don’t intend to.

    I’m an honest guy.


  74. Zooey Says:

    Good. Because I don’t intend to.
    I’m an honest guy.
    Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

    No, you’re not.



  75. gummitch Says:

    Sure I am!

    Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

    No, really, you’re not. You even lie to yourself.



  76. Jay Randal Says:

    Funny the press never mentioned Pat Tillman had a wife. Now she steps forward, but still avoids the fact her husband was murdered.


  77. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    Jay Randall sez:

    Funny the press never mentioned Pat Tillman had a wife. Now she steps forward, but still avoids the fact her husband was murdered.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this corrupt and criminal administration made it clear to Mrs. Tillman that the continued well-being of her children and herself depended upon her “playing ball” with these disgusting murderers…


  78. Frank J Says:

    Oh boy another idiotic conspiracy theory. A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome.


  79. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    I always lie.

    Comment by Makarios — August 22, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

    Wow… you must confuse yourself so badly. You really gotta be careful about that sort of thing. People who lie all the time get better and better at it, until it becomes automatic, and even THEY can’t tell when they’re lying or not. Seriously…


  80. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Oh boy another idiotic conspiracy theory. A symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:34 pm

    Why don’ you give us an articulated, meaningful explanation of that?


  81. Frank J Says:

    As soon as I hear this “theory”.


  82. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > are you the AIDS guy on the thread above?


  83. Zooey Says:

    As soon as I hear this “theory”.
    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    Looks like it’s all laid out in black & white, Frankie.


  84. Frank J Says:

    Then it should be easy to explain. Let’s hear it.


  85. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    Frank J sez:

    As soon as I hear this “theory”.

    So…you’re ridiculing a theory you haven’t even heard yet?

    A more complete encapsulation of the idiocy of our resident trolls simply could not be asked for.


  86. gummitch Says:

    As soon as I hear this “theory”.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    Yo, pinhead, you’re the one who said it was a theory.

    Can you really lick your own balls?


  87. Frank J Says:

    Educate me on this theory so that I may bow down to the all mighty knowledge of those who suffer from BDS.


  88. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    As soon as I hear this “theory”.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    You’ve already labeled it “an idiotic conspiracy theory”. Surely you understand your own words, Frank. Please explain.

    And “Bush Derangement Syndrome”… does this have to do w/ thinking God is talking to you? Bush did claim “God told me to smite [Saddam Hussein]. And I smote him.” Did God really talk to George? Or did George lie? Or is he delusional?


  89. Frank J Says:

    Ah so there is a consensus among law enforcement and the military that Tillman was murdered. I must have been out of the country at the time.

    Then link the appropriate news stories.


  90. Frank J Says:

    While you are at it please link the story where Bush said God told him to remove Saddam.


  91. joe cantwell Says:

    Comment by DISTURBIA

    woa pal, you misunderstood my satire…


  92. chingebush Says:

    So Frank J, explain your theory about why Bush claims EP in Tillman’s death?

    Any rational explanation? It smells like a dead fish from here.

    You defend Bush at every opportunity, knock yourself out.


  93. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Then link the appropriate news stories.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:45 pm

    You aksed for it, you got it, Frankie! Anything for you, Bubbie!

    Was Tillman Murdered? AP Gets New Documents

    Published: July 26, 2007 11:30 PM ET

    SAN FRANCISCO Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

    “The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ eandp/ news/ article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003617692


  94. Frank J Says:

    chirp…..chirp….chirp……


  95. chingebush Says:

    And Francine, I have posted many times the links to Jesus and Bush blowing in each other’s ears. Google it you lazy sh*t.

    You smaglicking “Bush is My God” sycophants are sick f*cks.


  96. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    Frank J sez:

    While you are at it please link the story where Bush said God told him to remove Saddam.

    Here are Chimpy’s own words, dolt:

    “God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”

    Always happy to help, idiot.


  97. Frank J Says:

    Jay said he was murdered. The story says he “may” have been murdered and then by his own men if at all. The investigators say otherwise. But if this is the theory then great, it is sad if he was “fragged” by his own men. Though there is no evidence of either other than the opinion given in this report. But nice try.

    This does help explain how another side effect of BDS is that people try and read Bush into everything that goes on.


  98. VerbalKint Says:

    These must be hard times for Frank J. Glug, glug, Frank, the ship is going down.


  99. Frank J Says:

    So you don’t have a news story just another BDS victim?


  100. pete Says:

    I really wish TP would stop running Tillman stories. It just provides an opportunity for the trolls to sh!t on his memory. Very sick.


  101. chingebush Says:

    Three holes in a tight pattern? Probably needs to be investigated, but Bush won’t stand for that.

    Why not?

    Come on Francine, why not? why EP.

    chirp…chirp…slurp


  102. Frank J Says:

    Bush, Bush everywhere…

    This summer—in between weekly encounters on radio and in print exchanges with those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome—I tried to get away, by climbing as many peaks in the Kaiser wilderness as possible, and marveled over the relative emptiness of that part of the central Sierra.

    Recently I went up on the so-called Kaiser Loop, a 15-mile round-about hike to Kaiser Peak (about 10,300 feet). Lo and behold!—there were three hikers on the summit in that rarified atmosphere. And after exchanging pleasantries about the beauties of the empty wilderness, one well spoken and nice person remarked about the exploitation of the forests (yet not a house, road, or human to be seen), and the greed of developers (the nearest road hasn’t been improved since the 1940s).

    Then Presto!—out came Katrina, Iraq, Bush this, Bush that. The clear air, the panoramic vista, the Sierra junipers—none of that could stop the onset of this paroxysm, this fit of madness. I hiked down, unsure whether I should have called the paramedics to copter him to Fresno.


  103. gummitch Says:

    So you don’t have a news story just another BDS victim?

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    I’m sorry, Frank, but Mr Pee has the award tonight. You can try again tomorrow.

    Stupidest Troll in the World!!!!


  104. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    No reply, huh, Frankie? Can’t say I’m surprised…


  105. Jay Randal Says:

    LOL Frank > I said Pat was murdered, but I did not say Bush shot him. You trolls always try to insinuate things into what we post on here.


  106. Frank J Says:

    So Bush didn’t murder Tillman?


  107. VerbalKint Says:

    So Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    Is this freak dense or what?


  108. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > there needs to be an investigation to find out who murdered Tillman and if a conspiracy was involved.


  109. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    While you are at it please link the story where Bush said God told him to remove Saddam.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:46 pm

    Anything for you, Frank, anything.

    http://www.haaretz.com/ hasen/ pages/ ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y


  110. chingebush Says:

    Do you have a shrine to your God Bush Francine? Do you pray for little George to keep you safe?

    He is infallible you know.


  111. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Glug, glug, Frank, the ship is going down.

    Comment by VerbalKint — August 22, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    That’s “glub… glub… glub…”


  112. gummitch Says:

    So Bush didn’t murder Tillman?

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    You mean, did Bush show up in Iraq in a combat zone?

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Daamn, boy, you funny.


  113. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    But nice try.

    This does help explain how another side effect of BDS is that people try and read Bush into everything that goes on.

    Comment by Frank J — August 22, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

    I asked you to define this BDS, but you won’t. Is it because you can’t?

    You asked for links, you got ‘em, but you just offer up snide empty insults.

    Whatsamatta, Frankie, ain’t got no facts???


  114. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Am I the only one who just now, by reading this, learned the Pat Tillman had a wife????”

    It was news to me too. First I heard of her. I wonder why she has been silent for so long and is now speaking up.


  115. TripMaster Monkey Says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 23, 2007 @ 12:04 am

    Sorry, TRoS, but I hit Frank with that back in my earlier post…seeing as how he’s been ignoring me ever since, I doubt he’ll have the courage to reply to you


  116. chingebush Says:

    Francine is offering her version of Executive Privilege. Don’t answer any questions, don’t provide any facts or reason.

    Trolls are proof that you can live on a diet of smag and dingleberries. And KKKarl makes sure they are well fed.


  117. Wayne Says:

    So Bush didn’t murder Tillman?
    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    Bush is attempting to use executive privilege to cover up details of the murder.
    Personally, I would call that accessory to conspiracy to commit murder.


  118. Frank J Says:

    The facts are that the Tillman death was investigated and it was found he was killed by friendly fire.

    The other fact is that Abbas said Bush said God told him to take out Saddam so I consider the source and the jumping on by the BDS sites though it is more likely he took out Al Qaeda because they attacked us and Saddam because he agreed with Clinton, Gore and Kerry on the topic. Did he pray about it? Certainly. Does he as a Christian want to do God’s will of course. Does that mean that he heard the voice of God on this subject, of course not.

    Any facts I’m missing?


  119. bilbogaggins Says:

    “His books sales are up as a result of the war in Iraq and he had a chance to end the war and didn’t.
    That makes him a war profiteer.
    Comment by Thinkaboutit”

    Are you really delusional enough to think that if Norm Chomsky had told the world that Pat Tillman was anti war it would have ended the war? What kind of drugs are you taking? Is this some new right wing talking point? If it is, it’s a pretty stupid talking point.


  120. VerbalKint Says:

    Maybe Frank can share with us how much it hurts to be a Republican these days. The pain of seeing his party in its death throes must be exquisite.


  121. Jay Randal Says:

    If Bush fired a gun, then he would shoot his own foot off. Cheney just knows how to pepper hunting buddies with birdshot pellets.


  122. pete Says:

    I wonder why she has been silent for so long and is now speaking up.

    Comment by bilbogaggins — August 23, 2007 @ 12:09 am

    I seem to recall something about her “going into seclusion”. My guess is the poor woman had a nervous breakdown. Or has just been grieving.


  123. Wayne Says:

    Any facts I’m missing?

    Comment by Frank J

    A cluster of 3 to the noggin.


  124. Frank J Says:

    An Example of BDS.

    Bush, Bush everywhere…

    This summer—in between weekly encounters on radio and in print exchanges with those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome—I tried to get away, by climbing as many peaks in the Kaiser wilderness as possible, and marveled over the relative emptiness of that part of the central Sierra.

    Recently I went up on the so-called Kaiser Loop, a 15-mile round-about hike to Kaiser Peak (about 10,300 feet). Lo and behold!—there were three hikers on the summit in that rarified atmosphere. And after exchanging pleasantries about the beauties of the empty wilderness, one well spoken and nice person remarked about the exploitation of the forests (yet not a house, road, or human to be seen), and the greed of developers (the nearest road hasn’t been improved since the 1940s).

    Then Presto!—out came Katrina, Iraq, Bush this, Bush that. The clear air, the panoramic vista, the Sierra junipers—none of that could stop the onset of this paroxysm, this fit of madness. I hiked down, unsure whether I should have called the paramedics to copter him to Fresno.


  125. Zooey Says:

    Personally, I would call that accessory to conspiracy to commit murder.
    Comment by Wayne — August 23, 2007 @ 12:12 am

    Or accessory after the fact, at a minimum. That’s what claiming EP could get him.

    Hey Wayne, how many times did you jump out of perfectly good airplanes today?


  126. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:17 am

    How many times are you going to post that crap?


  127. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > a phony investigation was done. REAL investigation is needed.


  128. Wayne Says:

    Hey Wayne, how many times did you jump out of perfectly good airplanes today?
    Comment by Zooey

    None today, too many nasty looking clouds.
    Twice yesterday =)


  129. Frank J Says:

    So it is phony until you get the results you want?


  130. gummitch Says:

    So it is phony until you get the results you want?

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:23 am

    Oooooh, a quiz!

    Why do trolls imagine they’re Socratic geniuses?

    Uh, uh, I give up! I wanna be a republicoid!


  131. Zooey Says:

    None today, too many nasty looking clouds.
    Twice yesterday =)
    Comment by Wayne — August 23, 2007 @ 12:19 am

    Cool. I hope you’re having fun on your vacation!


  132. Wayne Says:

    So it is phony until you get the results you want?

    Comment by Frank J

    Every story of the Tillman Murder told by the Bush Whitehouse has proven out to be a lie. The true story has yet to be told.


  133. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Jay said he was murdered. The story says he “may” have been murdered and then by his own men if at all. The investigators say otherwise.”

    You are right Francine, all the investigators that participated in the coverup say that he was not murdered. But, we can’t know the truth because Congress can’t get to his medical records because Bush has claimed Executive Privilege in releasing them. This I find rather strange because EP is supposed to apply to things that the President is involved in. And Bush says he had nothing to do with the cover-up of Tillman’s death. So, if he has nothing to hide, why won’t he allow the Army to release Pat Tillman’s medical records to Congress who wants to do an independent investigation. You know what independent means don’t you Frankie. An investigation not by the people who have a lot to lose if it turns out that Pat Tillman was, in fact murdered.


  134. Frank J Says:

    Again, that feeds the BDS. The military is guilty of stupidity in not coming out and saying what happened because it would have been a PR nightmare..which of course by not telling what happened it became anyway.

    That is a far cry from the BDS that leads to the belief that he was murdered by the administration. For reasons I’m sure BDS can easily provide.


  135. Jay Randal Says:

    No Frank > REAL investigation is done by impartial team of experts.


  136. chingebush Says:

    Some other relevant facts:

    Tillman’s uniform and protective gear were burned on the spot, pre-investigation.

    The soldiers with him were told to not tell the truth to Tillman’s brother.

    There was no evidence of enemy fire.

    The doctors who did the investigation recommended a crimninal investigation, but it didn’t happen.

    And Wyne’s point, which ios entirely lost on non-shooters, the three round burst to the forehead.

    Any other facts we should ignore to keep the shit off our diety?


  137. bilbogaggins Says:

    “The facts are that the Tillman death was investigated and it was found he was killed by friendly fire.”

    Ok Francine, if that’s all there is to it, then why is Bush trying to keep Congress from seeing his medical records? Why has Bush declared EP if it was simply “friendly fire”?

    Anyone besides me notice that Francine likes to ask questions, but does not answer questions. That’s why I call him Francine, because he doesn’t have the balls to answer questions.


  138. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Careful, boys… you’re going after Frankie w/ “facts” and “meaningful questions”. Don’t wanna overwhelm him, do ya?

    Indeed, why do “facts” and “meaningful questions” hate America so?

    Hey, Frankie’s gonna treat the whole thread to Freedom Fries! Git’em while they’re pipin’ hot, folks! Yum!!!


  139. Frank J Says:

    Congress independent investigation is an oxymoron. The BDS crowd could careless about Tillman. They want to use a military man’s death to further their sick BDS wishful thinking.


  140. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Any other facts we should ignore to keep the shit off our diety?
    Comment by chingebush”

    One other relevant fact. They burned his diary. Now why would they do that? Why would they burn his uniform? Why have they never identified who was the soldier that fired the fatal shot? Why did they refuse to have an impartial investigation.

    So Francine, you are so good at asking questions. Why don’t you take a stab at answering these questions. Go on, maybe you can win your balls back.


  141. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > if Bush has nothing to hide, then REAL investigation would exonerate him.


  142. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Congress independent investigation is an oxymoron. The BDS crowd could careless about Tillman. They want to use a military man’s death to further their sick BDS wishful thinking.

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:35 am

    Wow!!! Talk about empty calories. You just said a whole lot of NOTHING!Try again.


  143. bilbogaggins Says:

    Come on everyone. From this day forward “Frank J” is not Francine. He is an empty suit, a straw man with no substance. He asks questions which we answer. But, whenever we ask him questions, he lacks the balls to answer the questions. All he does is change the subject or throw out another straw man.

    So, from this day forward Think Progress posters will call Frank J Francine in honor of his lack of balls.


  144. bilbogaggins Says:

    oops… Should have said “now Francine”, not “not Francine”. I hate it when I do that.


  145. Jay Randal Says:

    Funny that the GOPers were allowed to dig through every trash pile on Clinton, but Bush is supposed to be treated special huh?


  146. chingebush Says:

    This Tillman issue is beyond partisan. We could disagree on the budget for welfare, we could even disagree about to what extent Bush lied to drag us into his war, but to defend the cover up of a possible murder of a fine soldier is beyond belief.

    These “people” are sickening, disgusting losers that shoudn’t be suffered.


  147. Jay Randal Says:

    It is very reasonable to want the killer of Tillman to be found out. That soldier would need to explain the 3 shots to Pat’s forehead at close range.


  148. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    So, from this day forward Think Progress posters will call Frank J Francine in honor of his lack of balls.

    Comment by bilbogaggins — August 23, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    Frank could always try a pair of Neuticlesâ„¢

    http://www.neuticles.com

    Isn’t he friends w/ Dr. Dog? Tha Dawg’s been sportin’ a pair after he got “tutored” here. Frankie should just ask Dawg “How’re they hangin’, Doggie?”


  149. Frank J Says:

    BDS of course makes everything into a conspiracy. In this case EP in the Tillman case. The military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records. What Congress wants is the internal discussion about the spin put on the story. For political reasons of course. The WH says no. They shouldn’t they should give the moonbats what they want and then talk about how they are using a military man’s death for political purposes.

    Next.


  150. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    For political reasons of course. The WH says no. They shouldn’t they should give the moonbats what they want and then talk about how they are using a military man’s death for political purposes.

    Proof, or, GASP!!! It’s just… a CONSPIRACY THEORY!!! OMG!!! ;-D!!!

    Jes funsin’ wid ya, Francie. How they hangin’??


  151. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    No, it’s like this, Francie…

    NEXT!!!!!!


  152. pete Says:

    A couple more facts. The Pentagon invented a rather involved fantasy about enemy action and presented it to his family as truth. The White House confirmed.

    Then, when word got out, they invented another fantasy about an “accidental” shooting at long range. A supposition that directly contradicts published, official, documents. The White House confirmed this second lie.

    The military did investigate but, there was no criminal investigation despite the coroner’s request.


  153. Jay Randal Says:

    Last press article I saw on Tillman mentioned a cargo humvee following behind caravan of military vehicles and mercenary snipers in the humvee. If Bush is covering for Blackwater assassins, then he is in deep poop if it comes out.


  154. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    The military did investigate but, there was no criminal investigation despite the coroner’s request.

    Comment by pete — August 23, 2007 @ 12:46 am

    Well, damn those facts, pete. Thank God George didn’t have to fly home from another vacation in Crwford to issue emergency pardons!


  155. Frank J Says:

    In most cases friendly fire is not a crime.


  156. VerbalKint Says:

    I get it: Frank has BDS-DS.


  157. Frank J Says:

    They investigated the incident and found no criminal acts a death caused by friendly fire..damn those facts pete.


  158. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    In most cases friendly fire is not a crime.

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    Three tighly grouped shots in forehead? And you’re NOT upset and suspicious? You need to be tested for drugs, Francie!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


  159. bilbogaggins Says:

    “The military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records.”

    Proof Francine. You are always asking us to prove what we say, now you prove what you said. Give us a link to any reputable source that says that the military turned over 10,000 documents including the medical records.


  160. Frank J Says:

    I’m sure the moonbats have a motive for Tillman’s “murder”?


  161. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Frank has BDS-DS.

    Comment by VerbalKint — August 23, 2007 @ 12:50 am

    Appears to be somewhat more severe.


  162. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > Pat had 3 bullet holes in his forehead. Kind of hard to make that an accident. Seems somebody wanted Tillman positively dead.



  163. bilbogaggins Says:

    So Francine says that Bush has declared EP because he thinks that the Democrats are on a witch hunt.

    Well, Francine, if he has nothing to hide why is he hiding behind EP?


  164. Jay Randal Says:

    It might end up that a Blackwater mercenary sniper just wanted a thrill and plugged Tillman in the head for fun.


  165. bilbogaggins Says:

    “papers do not include critical documents that would show communications between senior administration officials and top military officers shortly after Tillman was killed in Afghanistan in 2004.”

    From the article that Francine linked to. So Francine, why would Bush not want Congress to have the documents that told about communications between senior administration officials and top military officers shortly after he was killed? What do they have to hide?


  166. Frank J Says:

    Come on Jay I know you have a motive.


  167. bilbogaggins Says:

    One last try.

    FRANCINE: What is Bush hiding? If he and his administration did nothing wrong then why are they withholding the requested documents?


  168. Jay Randal Says:

    Mercenaries have been filmed in Iraq shooting old men, women, and children for sport, so maybe one of them did Tillman in Afghanistan.


  169. Frank J Says:

    Going out on a limb here…but I would say….politics.


  170. Jay Randal Says:

    Frank > motive is found out when the killer is revealed. He will have to say WHY he shot Pat in forehead 3 times.


  171. bilbogaggins Says:

    The one question I would like to see answered is “Who shot Pat Tillman”. With todays forensics, it would have been very easy for the military to identify the gun that fired the fatal bullets. Why have they never done that? Aren’t they interested in who shot him? If not, why not? They have admitted that there was no enemy fire anywhere around where Pat Tillman and his unit were, so why did someone shoot him 3 times in the head?


  172. bilbogaggins Says:

    “Going out on a limb here…but I would say….politics.
    Comment by Frank J “

    Is that an answer to the questions I asked you? If so, it makes no sense.

    Why can’t you answer the questions people are posing to you?


  173. Frank J Says:

    No motive eh?


  174. Jay Randal Says:

    Mercenary assassin might claim he disliked Tillman being a football star, and wanted a thrill to blow his brains out, or that he was paid to kill him.


  175. Frank J Says:

    You not liking the answer is not the same as me not answering.


  176. michael Says:

    “Marie Tillman, wife of NFL athlete-turned-Army Ranger Pat Tillman, said that the nation needs real leaders”

    Who? The wife of an ex president who ignored intelligence that led to 9/11? A muslim? An ex Vice President who wants to rebuild New Orleans even though he predicts sea levels will rise 20 feet? An ambulance chaser?


  177. Frank J Says:

    Not only BDS but an imagination as well…impressive.


  178. bilbogaggins Says:

    “You not liking the answer is not the same as me not answering.
    Comment by Frank J “

    Oh, you answered the questions. Where? I must have missed it. All I saw was your saying that Bush has the right to EP because he thinks that Congress is on a witch hunt.

    The important question that you refuse to answer is:

    What does Bush have to hide. Why is he refusing to turn over the documents? If he has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to hide, does he?


  179. michael Says:

    How come TP hasn’t started a post about the latest intelligence report that lays the neglect of bin laden’s attack on us right at clinton’s feet? TP, we are waiting?


  180. bilbogaggins Says:

    I’m off to bed. Trying to get an answer out of Francine is like beating your head against a stone wall.

    Sorry Francine, you didn’t earn your balls back.


  181. michael Says:

    Tillman died because clinton ignored intelligence!


  182. Jay Randal Says:

    I have to go to bed too > bye all and take care.


  183. ronjazz Says:

    Any facts I’m missing?

    Comment by Frank J — August 23, 2007 @ 12:13 am

    Nice of you to rewrite the story to fit your Bush Derangement Syndrome. that’s right, Frank, you have BDS worse than any liberal. We hate Bush because of what he’s done; you love bush because of what you THINK he’s done. BDS, by all rights, belongs to the Bush-fellating whores like you, frank. BDS is all yours. it must just suck out loud to be a Republican.


  184. michael Says:

    “Comment by ronjazz — August 23, 2007″

    Hey ron! I’m still waiting for you to produce the lie I made with wayne!



  185. michael Says:

    Ron, everyones waiting?


  186. michael Says:

    Ron, are you hiding under your bed?


  187. ronjazz Says:

    Geez, mikey, Clinton was still president on 9/11? How did everybody miss that? Bush failed to secure the USA, Bush ran away and hid, Bush failed to stop the anthrax attacks, Bush failed to secure iraq, bush let Osama get away twice AFTER 9/11. Your BDS is acting up again, like Frank J’s little fantasy. I can easily imagine Bush ordering tillman killed to avoid the embarrassment of an honest appraisal of Bush’s Disaster In The desert by someone who would be listened to closely by the whole country. Easily. Bush has proves since he was a child that he has no respect or regard for human life, so until he lets the records be seen by the public, I have to assume he set up Tillman. If he’s not guilty, what’s he hiding?


  188. Zooey Says:

    Jesus, michael. Try not to be so f*cking pathetic.


  189. Juan C Says:

    Tillman died because clinton ignored intelligence!
    Comment by michael

    I think the Intelligence being Ignored is possessed by a person who cant define sovereignity.


  190. Frank J Says:

    More facts:

    Tillman, a former National Football League player, died when fellow soldiers accidentally shot and killed him near the Afghan-Pakistani border April 22, 2004. Initial reports, however, incorrectly stated the soldier was killed by enemy fire.

    One week after Tillman’s death, Army Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, then the Joint Staf