“Army Secretary Pete Geren on Thursday ruled out extending troop deployments beyond the current 15 months, saying that longer tours in Iraq put stress on soldiers and their families, and have contributed to an increase in suicides.“
15 months with how much out of theater time? I’m glad to see it’s not any longer but 15 months is already too long.
Our military is at the breaking point with it’s personnel and it’s equipment. The Guard and Reserves have had their equipment diminished by the tours they have spent in Iraq and their isn’t any coherent plan to replenish the equipment.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 23, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Not to worry, I’m sure Mr. P or mackeral and his little friend (butt buddy) CT are holding hands on the way to the recruiting office as we speak. And they’re both so tough they can handle the insurgents by themselves. And when I say “handle” I mean “handle”.
Yes sir, you are right. Probably within 6-12 months, I figure. So does anybody out there at TP want their son or daughter thrown to the wolves in Iraq? Anybody, Bueller? Frye? Anybody. Wait I hear the sound of crickets – just listen.
I guess Bush was right about one thing. This is certainly a new war. One where our own soldiers are killing themselves as fast as the enemy can blow themselves up. I’m glad Nimitz wasn’t so much an incompetent as to allow us to end up with dead crews manning empty aircraft carriers for the Japanese to fly into.
Getting the troops home quicker is always good news for the libs; more targets for their ridicule, condescension and spitwads.
Comment by Liberalism Causes AIDS
If you really want to help your country, why not enlist right now? Whats the problem? You are very good at spewing crap for all of us to read, but are you patriotic enough to do the ‘dirty work’? I didn’t think so. So what is your excuse: cheney had his excuses, W had his excuses, addington had his excuses, abu gonzales had his excuses, etc…All you nutjobs want death – as long as it is not you in the crosshairs. yeah, that sounds like bravery to me /snarkoff.
Everybody knows it was the RATwingers spitting on troops returning from VietNam, rather than enlisting to try to win it. Same then as now, wingnuts only love the troops when they return home anonymously, in body bags under cover of darkness. Conservatives support terrorism, and hate America, that’s been made abundantly clear.
One solution to this problem is the immediate draft of all College Republicans.
And Phred Phelps and his numerous incestuous offspring should be sent to drive fuel trucks back and forth from Kuwait.
If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios
Yeah I get it. If we had a neocon clown as president and a whole bunch of cabinet members who never wore a uniform, if we had a russion scholar as sec of state, yeah if we only had the run of the treasury for the last 5+ yrs, only if we labled anybody who questions the war as traitors, only if we could spy on americans, only if we could rendition people to black holes somewhere, only if we never admint any mistake, only if we gave any job to a ‘loyal bushie’ no matter their competence, etc…Yeah, if we only let you nutjobs fight the war everything would be going swimmingly, wouldn’t it?
If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
If conservatives would help out instead of hiding under their beds, we’d still lose, but there would be fewer conservatives. America would be somewhat bette off.
If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Dumb fu*k, the problem we have is that the democrats keep allowing Bush to do what ever he wants with the military. It is George W Bush who can’t figure out how to lead our military towards victory.
Hint #1: Don’t try and occupy a sovereign country.
Hint #2: Send enough troops to do the job if you decide to ignore Hint #1.
Hint #3: Send your more than 145k troops into battle with the proper equipment.
Hint #4: THE HUMVEE I A PIECE OF SH!T AND HAS BEEN SINCE DESERT STORM.
Hint #5: Rally real brave Americans behind you, not a bunch of chicken sh!t pussy trolls who are scared to serve in the Army or Marines.
Hint #6: Don’t allow an AWOL piece of sh!t to pretend he is a war president.
Hint #7: Did I mention the piece of shit pussy trolls?
The fact that Army Secretary Pete Geren even had to make such a statement tells me that he is getting pressure to continue the surge past April.
The NIE says that if we pull back, for whatever reason, the limited and uneven gains will evaporate because there is no political framework to preserve them.
So the limited and uneven gains of the surge will be lost unless we continue surging.
This leaves two options
1. Betray our troops and extend their tours once again.
2. Sacrifice the limited and uneven gains of the surge because there are no more troops to send.
It seems Army Secretary Pete Geren has made his choice.
The fact that Army Secretary Pete Geren even had to make such a statement tells me that he is getting pressure to continue the surge past April.
Or he could have seen some of the recent reports on the matter.
The NIE says that if we pull back, for whatever reason, the limited and uneven gains will evaporate because there is no political framework to preserve them.
So the limited and uneven gains of the surge will be lost unless we continue surging.
There is a difference between “not extending tours” and “pulling back.” You don’t make the distinction. So all of this:
This leaves two options
1. Betray our troops and extend their tours once again.
2. Sacrifice the limited and uneven gains of the surge because there are no more troops to send.
It seems Army Secretary Pete Geren has made his choice.
Wow!! Shane’s PMSing!!!
(oh wait, she’s already gone through menopause)
HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Sign up or shut up and get the hell out of here, coward. My daughter will end up getting drafted because fat f*ck like you and your lover are to chicken shit to sign up for the war you espouse daily.
Name one thing that bush has wanted for his occupation in Iraq or his war on terror that he has not gotten? One thing.
Comment by bobwurst — August 23, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
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I’m not going to go find one thing that Bush has wanted but has not gotten. I didn’t say “Bush” did I? No, that’s what I thought.
I said “If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.”
Bush is limited by you libs in everything that he does, I’ll tell you one thing, I know things would be very different if we had someone who wasn’t so PC in the White House.
There wouldn’t even be a war if it weren’t for liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
It was liberals that started the war? You are a bigger jackass every day. Why aren’t you back at college? Oh that’s right, junior college starts later.
Libs care too much about our enemy, that’s what’s holding us back. That’s why the war is going on.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
YOU are the enemy. YOUR PEOPLE have brought fascism to the USA. And we couldn’t care less about you. Bushco and its loyal bootstepping followers are the one destroying this country. Get a f*cking clue punk.
So Makarios, you’re talking genocide, right? Just kill them all and let God sort it out? You want extend the Viet Nam analogy that Bush brought up yesterday to have Bush playing the part of Pol Pot? We “let the military do what needs to be done” and leave only enough troops to secure the oil fields. Is that your definition of victory?
YOU are the enemy. YOUR PEOPLE have brought fascism to the USA. And we couldn’t care less about you. Bushco and its loyal bootstepping followers are the one destroying this country. Get a f*cking clue punk.
Comment by shane
Correct. Bush is a Saudi OIL WHOR and a TRAITOR to the USA.
His buddies the Saudis are the MAJOR FUNDER of Al Queda.
No doubt the “private funding” of Ari Fleischer are these MURDERERS
And the Bin Ladens were the financiers of Bush’s failed oil businesses.
Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK who needs to be in Gitmo.
What does that have to do with being a “serial killer,†though?
Unless KKoKz is trying to pin the 44 other OC murders this year on the same guy!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Did you ask me a question traitor?
Here is an idea. Print out that question, dip the paper in sulfuric acid, then shove it up your Neo Nazi a$$. Then come back and let me know how it goes. Other than that, fu*k off and die twice.
While you’re formulating your response to me Makarios, I have a few more questions.
Are 2 million deaths enough for you? Or maybe we could just kill 800,000 like in Rwanda. Although, it’s estimated that number of civilians or possibly up to 1 million already have died with at least 1.5 million refugees. So how many would satisfy your blood lust in an effort to “do what needs to be done”?
And what about those refugees? What should we do about them? Did you ever see the Godfather? Even the mafia knows you don’t leave family behind because they grow up and come after you so I’d think we’d have to “do what needs to be done” to all those refugees too, don’t you?
But what I just can’t come to grips with is how this can be considered liberating Iraq and bringing them democracy like we’re supposed to be doing. Perhaps you can explain that contradiction to me Makarios.
No, I’m Dora. You don’t want to admit that you’re advocating genocide? Well, I can understand that. But really, what else can you mean when you say the military should “do what needs to be done”. If it’s not genocide, then exactly what is it you’re advocating?
So Makarios, you’re talking genocide, right? Just kill them all and let God sort it out? You want extend the Viet Nam analogy that Bush brought up yesterday to have Bush playing the part of Pol Pot? We “let the military do what needs to be done†and leave only enough troops to secure the oil fields. Is that your definition of victory?
Comment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
As I said in # 63, if you’re not advocating genocide by saying let the military “do what needs to be done” then what exactly do you mean when you say that?
” Mathematics is a branch of philosophy, so is logic.
Comment by Makarios ”
Well it was 4000 years ago, when it was acceptable for grown ment to have sex with little boys, which explains why you pine for those lost days of wine and roses.
Good job, P. You and your boyfriend are going to get the registration for us here just like we wanted. Did you notice how often you have to change your name, because we all just paste your discgusting posts and send them to the administrators. You are such a dunce.
Does this happen often around here? now it’s back.
anyway, Makarios, what is it that you mean when you say the military should “do what needs to be done”? Why don’t you try answering the questions at 59 too? Or do you prefer just to hurl insults back and forth?
I may be a dumass liberal, but your use of the adjective “dumass” proves that you know that there are smart liberals out there. You’re just a republican, to call you dumass would be redundant.
“Getting the troops home quicker is always good news for the libs; more targets for their ridicule, condescension and spitwads.
Comment by Liberalism Causes AIDS”
Do you care to show proof where this ever happened? No??? You’re just another moronic troll who throws out lies and actually thinks that people are going to believe you.
Ok folks. Let’s stop responding to Makaros. I know I did it and I”m sorry. Nothing is gained by responding to him. All he is doing is heaping a pile of shit in the middle of this thread and too many of us are walking through it. How about we walk around it and pretend it isn’t there.
I’d love to, Dora, and thank you for not resorting to the level of these pathetic libs. I have suggested in the past an extensive, psychological and educational supplement to the surge. This would mean teaching and instilling Iraqis (of all ages) some of the basic values required for a civilization to thrive (such as NO KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, etc., etc.).
This administration has broken our fighting forces.
Other nations see this, and know we are not in any position to back up any other threats.
We are weakened geopolitically, like we’ve never before been in our country’s history.
Let’s hope Russia and China don’t get any ideas of taking advantage of that.
I’d love to, Dora, and thank you for not resorting to the level of these pathetic libs. I have suggested in the past an extensive, psychological and educational supplement to the surge. This would mean teaching and instilling Iraqis (of all ages) some of the basic values required for a civilization to thrive (such as NO KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, etc., etc.).
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Oh you want reeducation camps, the kind Bush is crying about in Viet Nam. It’s okay as long as you reeducate people to christianity, right.
Oh you want reeducation camps, the kind Bush is crying about in Viet Nam. It’s okay as long as you reeducate people to christianity, right.
Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Not to mention the irony of Mr Pee proposing a massive education project involving millions of people when our government apparently hasn’t been able to teach Mr Pee to formulate a coherent thought. Assuming, of course, that Mr Pee’s stories about attending community college are not just more lies and that his mom isn’t entirely responsible for his “education.”
I want to get everyones attention attention for this one! Its quite fun!
There is an organization, freedom.org, which has a toll free number, 877-222-8001, who’s purpose is to connect constituents with their members of congress to urge them to “stay the course” in Iraq (probably not many “real” calls).
My friends and I had a great time with the call in line at happy hour today!
When you call there is a whole diatribe about how if the US leaves Iraq the terrorists will “follow us home”! When the operator gets on the line he/she asks do you agree that if the US “cuts and runs” from Iraq that the terrorists will follow us home.
I said sure, I believe that is the case.
I was then transfered to my representative, Jim Wash (r) NY. When the staffer answered the phone I explained that I was transferred by freedom.org and that they were concerned that the terrorists would follow us home if we “cut and run” from Iraq. I told him that I absolutely thought it true because I had a “terrorist” under my bed at the very moment and asked what I should do to get rid of him! I urge everyone to have a bit of fun with this one, jamming the switchboard, and making them see the ridiculousness of their assumption!
Some of my friends asked how they could get the terrorist out of his trunk, out of the dishwasher etc…
Have fun! Jam the switch boards!
No. But freedom.org may be keeping a tally of how many calls they get, so they can use those stats in the future.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
The point is that nearly everyone in the country sees this for what it is.. a ridiculous ploy to keep us involved in a war that no one wants. Even the majority of the folks who believed the original lies no longer support the war built on lies.
I’ve heard that the budget for this particular campaign of connecting citizens with their members of congress is $25M. I say lets spend it all in pointing out how absurd they all are!
Fear mongering only works for so long. Smart people at some point wake up to smell the coffee. We have now reached “morning in America”! Everyone smells the coffee and we’re now about to start the work of the day to correct the errors that occurred durring our slumber!
Our troops are paying too high a price in Iraq. The policy in Iraq has not been worthy of their immense sacrifice. Bush must change course and set a date for troop withdrawal.
>I have suggested in the past an extensive,
>psychological and educational supplement
>to the surge. -Phister Pee Mee
hahahah! Mr. P, Mr. P..just when I thought you couldnt say anything more stupid…
What country would these teachers come from? Who would transport them around and keep them safe from insurgents? How much would they get paid for this exceedingly high risk work? Do you really expect that people who have to risk thier lives just to go get food or gasoline are going to endanger themselves further just to go sit in on a glass intited “allah sez bombs arent cool” and “how to love your occupation 101″.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Wow….I don’t think I’ve heard a more ridiculous proposal my entire life..
At the risk of putting this thread back on topic, I am pleased to see that Geren is exhibiting common sense as far as the troops are concerned. My worry is that he will eventually be overruled by Bush and Cheney (who fancy themselves military experts), and deployments will be extended anyway.
The only other way to continue the supply of troops needed to sustain the surge (not to mention the invasion of Iran that Cheney and the other neocons want) is to reinstate the draft. This, of course, would be political suicide, so it will be avoided at all costs. The biggest cost, of course, being the erosion of our existing military.
Well, Pete just signed his walking papers.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmWatch him get overruled by Cheney in 3, 2, 1…
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmI’m glad the Army is staying on top of things.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmHere comes the draft, here comes the draft.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:06 pm15 months with how much out of theater time? I’m glad to see it’s not any longer but 15 months is already too long.
Our military is at the breaking point with it’s personnel and it’s equipment. The Guard and Reserves have had their equipment diminished by the tours they have spent in Iraq and their isn’t any coherent plan to replenish the equipment.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmI’m glad the Army is staying on top of things.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Hey lardass, you better start losing weight before some drill sargeant gets hold of you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmNew plan: give them only 1 month off time between deployments. Voila. problem solved. Bet cheney’s writing it up right now.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmOh so he finally figured that out huh. Do Bush stooge brain’s function slow?
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmComment by hellinabucket — August 23, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Not to worry, I’m sure Mr. P or mackeral and his little friend (butt buddy) CT are holding hands on the way to the recruiting office as we speak. And they’re both so tough they can handle the insurgents by themselves. And when I say “handle” I mean “handle”.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmCheney’s plan will be to give them time off to be spent in Iran.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmshane > if you told the trolls that Iraqi males are kinky for sex, then they might join up > lol.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:11 pmshane > if you told the trolls that Iraqi males are kinky for sex, then they might join up > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — August 23, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Mr. P and CT are so busy stroking each other, and they’re such cowards, I don’t think they’d go even for the kinky sex.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmHere comes the draft, here comes the draft.
Comment by shane
Yes sir, you are right. Probably within 6-12 months, I figure. So does anybody out there at TP want their son or daughter thrown to the wolves in Iraq? Anybody, Bueller? Frye? Anybody. Wait I hear the sound of crickets – just listen.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmC’mon, make it 84 months like my car battery. After all, they volunteered.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:16 pmGetting the troops home quicker is always good news for the libs; more targets for their ridicule, condescension and spitwads.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmHere comes the draft, here comes the draft.
Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Lucky you, another use for your lighter other than the crack-pipe.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:26 pm“…longer tours in Iraq put stress on soldiers and their families, and have contributed to an increase in suicides.â€
That’s a small price to pay for purple fingers, goddammmit!
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pmWell, Pete just signed his walking papers.
Comment by bobwurst — August 23, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
If youre lucky the local paper will publish the unit return dates so you will have time to gather dog-shit.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pmSwiftboaters, assemble! Why does Pete Geren hate America?
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmIf youre lucky the local paper will publish the unit return dates so you will have time to gather dog-shit -LCA
We hear your full of it, now we just need your address to come scoop some out and show the world what a troop hater you are!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmThat’s a small price to pay for purple fingers, goddammmit!
Comment by LiberAIDS
But you love them terrorists and the welfare queen state, remember?
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmComment by Liberalism Causes AIDS — August 23, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Fred Phelps, is that you?
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 pmBut you love them terrorists and the welfare queen state, remember?
Comment by Conpervative — August 23, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Yes and I also love dining on aborted fetuses.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmI guess Bush was right about one thing. This is certainly a new war. One where our own soldiers are killing themselves as fast as the enemy can blow themselves up. I’m glad Nimitz wasn’t so much an incompetent as to allow us to end up with dead crews manning empty aircraft carriers for the Japanese to fly into.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:41 pmGetting the troops home quicker is always good news for the libs; more targets for their ridicule, condescension and spitwads.
Comment by Liberalism Causes AIDS
If you really want to help your country, why not enlist right now? Whats the problem? You are very good at spewing crap for all of us to read, but are you patriotic enough to do the ‘dirty work’? I didn’t think so. So what is your excuse: cheney had his excuses, W had his excuses, addington had his excuses, abu gonzales had his excuses, etc…All you nutjobs want death – as long as it is not you in the crosshairs. yeah, that sounds like bravery to me /snarkoff.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:41 pmEverybody knows it was the RATwingers spitting on troops returning from VietNam, rather than enlisting to try to win it. Same then as now, wingnuts only love the troops when they return home anonymously, in body bags under cover of darkness. Conservatives support terrorism, and hate America, that’s been made abundantly clear.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmWow!! Shane’s PMSing!!!
(oh wait, she’s already gone through menopause)
HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmHEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
there’s malarkios, doing the monkey-liar dance, with his own mother-hating misogyny for good measure. excellent job, m, keep on dancing.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmOne solution to this problem is the immediate draft of all College Republicans.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pmAnd Phred Phelps and his numerous incestuous offspring should be sent to drive fuel trucks back and forth from Kuwait.
If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmIs GOP strategist Rafael Gonzalez a serial killer?
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmComment by ccokz — August 23, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
No.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmIf liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios
Yeah I get it. If we had a neocon clown as president and a whole bunch of cabinet members who never wore a uniform, if we had a russion scholar as sec of state, yeah if we only had the run of the treasury for the last 5+ yrs, only if we labled anybody who questions the war as traitors, only if we could spy on americans, only if we could rendition people to black holes somewhere, only if we never admint any mistake, only if we gave any job to a ‘loyal bushie’ no matter their competence, etc…Yeah, if we only let you nutjobs fight the war everything would be going swimmingly, wouldn’t it?
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmYeah, if we only let you nutjobs fight the war everything would be going swimmingly, wouldn’t it?
Comment by Tom — August 23, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
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There wouldn’t even be a war if it weren’t for liberals.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:23 pmQ. How does a troll tell it’s roommate is gay?
A. It’s dick tastes like sh!t!
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmIf liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
If conservatives would help out instead of hiding under their beds, we’d still lose, but there would be fewer conservatives. America would be somewhat bette off.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmThere wouldn’t even be a war if it weren’t for liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Prove it, or shut up.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pmDumb fu*k, the problem we have is that the democrats keep allowing Bush to do what ever he wants with the military. It is George W Bush who can’t figure out how to lead our military towards victory.
Hint #1: Don’t try and occupy a sovereign country.
Hint #2: Send enough troops to do the job if you decide to ignore Hint #1.
Hint #3: Send your more than 145k troops into battle with the proper equipment.
Hint #4: THE HUMVEE I A PIECE OF SH!T AND HAS BEEN SINCE DESERT STORM.
Hint #5: Rally real brave Americans behind you, not a bunch of chicken sh!t pussy trolls who are scared to serve in the Army or Marines.
Hint #6: Don’t allow an AWOL piece of sh!t to pretend he is a war president.
Hint #7: Did I mention the piece of shit pussy trolls?
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmMaybe, maybe not. But, two grown men living together, smells like another closeted gay couple.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmTRANSLATION: TROOPS WILL BE EXTENDED ANOTHER 3 – 6 MONTHS…… ironic.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:43 pmLibs care too much about our enemy, that’s what’s holding us back. That’s why the war is going on.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:48 pmMaybe, maybe not. But, two grown men living together, smells like another closeted gay couple.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 23, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
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What does that have to do with being a “serial killer,” though?
Unless KKoKz is trying to pin the 44 other OC murders this year on the same guy!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmThe fact that Army Secretary Pete Geren even had to make such a statement tells me that he is getting pressure to continue the surge past April.
The NIE says that if we pull back, for whatever reason, the limited and uneven gains will evaporate because there is no political framework to preserve them.
So the limited and uneven gains of the surge will be lost unless we continue surging.
This leaves two options
1. Betray our troops and extend their tours once again.
2. Sacrifice the limited and uneven gains of the surge because there are no more troops to send.
It seems Army Secretary Pete Geren has made his choice.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmThe fact that Army Secretary Pete Geren even had to make such a statement tells me that he is getting pressure to continue the surge past April.
Or he could have seen some of the recent reports on the matter.
The NIE says that if we pull back, for whatever reason, the limited and uneven gains will evaporate because there is no political framework to preserve them.
So the limited and uneven gains of the surge will be lost unless we continue surging.
There is a difference between “not extending tours” and “pulling back.” You don’t make the distinction. So all of this:
This leaves two options
1. Betray our troops and extend their tours once again.
2. Sacrifice the limited and uneven gains of the surge because there are no more troops to send.
It seems Army Secretary Pete Geren has made his choice.
Comment by Samsara — August 23, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Is absolute rubbish.
Nice try.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:58 pm.
“If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios”
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:58 pmName one thing that bush has wanted for his occupation in Iraq or his war on terror that he has not gotten? One thing.
Wow!! Shane’s PMSing!!!
(oh wait, she’s already gone through menopause)
HEyOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Sign up or shut up and get the hell out of here, coward. My daughter will end up getting drafted because fat f*ck like you and your lover are to chicken shit to sign up for the war you espouse daily.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 pmName one thing that bush has wanted for his occupation in Iraq or his war on terror that he has not gotten? One thing.
Comment by bobwurst — August 23, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
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I’m not going to go find one thing that Bush has wanted but has not gotten. I didn’t say “Bush” did I? No, that’s what I thought.
I said “If liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.”
Bush is limited by you libs in everything that he does, I’ll tell you one thing, I know things would be very different if we had someone who wasn’t so PC in the White House.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pmIf liberals would let the military do what needs to be done, the war against Islamofascism would be over.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
And if conservatives would enlist and support their country instead of parking their lard asses behind a keyboard … sign up or shut up.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pm“Whaaaaaa, whaaa, whaaa, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA” – shane
Stop your whining, liberal.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:02 pmThere wouldn’t even be a war if it weren’t for liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
It was liberals that started the war? You are a bigger jackass every day. Why aren’t you back at college? Oh that’s right, junior college starts later.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 pmQ. How does a troll tell it’s roommate is gay?
A. It’s dick tastes like sh!t!
Comment by pete — August 23, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
a2. If he wasn’t gay the troll wouldn’t have him as a roommate.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmComment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
The Clinton adm. let OBL get away.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:07 pmLibs care too much about our enemy, that’s what’s holding us back. That’s why the war is going on.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
YOU are the enemy. YOUR PEOPLE have brought fascism to the USA. And we couldn’t care less about you. Bushco and its loyal bootstepping followers are the one destroying this country. Get a f*cking clue punk.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmSo Makarios, you’re talking genocide, right? Just kill them all and let God sort it out? You want extend the Viet Nam analogy that Bush brought up yesterday to have Bush playing the part of Pol Pot? We “let the military do what needs to be done” and leave only enough troops to secure the oil fields. Is that your definition of victory?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmThe Clinton adm. let OBL get away.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Based on the abc mocumentary, idiot. Philosophy won’t help your sorry ass. Try Logic or Statistics or maybe some history dumbass.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmYOU are the enemy. YOUR PEOPLE have brought fascism to the USA. And we couldn’t care less about you. Bushco and its loyal bootstepping followers are the one destroying this country. Get a f*cking clue punk.
Comment by shane
Correct. Bush is a Saudi OIL WHOR and a TRAITOR to the USA.
His buddies the Saudis are the MAJOR FUNDER of Al Queda.
No doubt the “private funding” of Ari Fleischer are these MURDERERS
And the Bin Ladens were the financiers of Bush’s failed oil businesses.
Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK who needs to be in Gitmo.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:18 pm“PC” as applied to Bush.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:18 pm1) Probable Criminal
2) Poor Choice
3) Pussy Coward
Did you ask me a question traitor?
Here is an idea. Print out that question, dip the paper in sulfuric acid, then shove it up your Neo Nazi a$$. Then come back and let me know how it goes. Other than that, fu*k off and die twice.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:22 pmWhile you’re formulating your response to me Makarios, I have a few more questions.
Are 2 million deaths enough for you? Or maybe we could just kill 800,000 like in Rwanda. Although, it’s estimated that number of civilians or possibly up to 1 million already have died with at least 1.5 million refugees. So how many would satisfy your blood lust in an effort to “do what needs to be done”?
And what about those refugees? What should we do about them? Did you ever see the Godfather? Even the mafia knows you don’t leave family behind because they grow up and come after you so I’d think we’d have to “do what needs to be done” to all those refugees too, don’t you?
But what I just can’t come to grips with is how this can be considered liberating Iraq and bringing them democracy like we’re supposed to be doing. Perhaps you can explain that contradiction to me Makarios.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhile you’re formulating your response to me Makarios…
Comment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Who are you, and what did you originally ask?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmScroll up to #54 Makarios.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:37 pmComment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
You’re shane?
Well, I’ll have you know, whoever you are, that Mathematics is a branch of philosophy, so is logic.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 pmNo, I’m Dora. You don’t want to admit that you’re advocating genocide? Well, I can understand that. But really, what else can you mean when you say the military should “do what needs to be done”. If it’s not genocide, then exactly what is it you’re advocating?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 23, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
I like the way you think.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:46 pm#54
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Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
But if you have a question go ahead and ask.
By the way, I never advocated genocide.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmMakarios,
isn’t it time for you to sodomize your mother’s corpse again?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmWho are you, and what did you originally ask?
Comment by Makarios
She asked WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 commission??
i.e. WHY did they REFUSE TO SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH to the 9/11 Commission about their involvement in 9/11 and the Bin Ladens?
The ones who financed Bush’s failed oil companies…
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:48 pmWhile you’re formulating your response to me Makarios…
Comment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Don’t hold your breath Dora. Malarky doesn’t know whow to formulate a response. They don’t use big words like that at his community colleges.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:48 pmWell, I’ll have you know, whoever you are, that Mathematics is a branch of philosophy, so is logic.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Maybe you should take the statistic and logic not associated with philosophy, because you are very confused.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmNo, comment 54 is comment by Dora.
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So Makarios, you’re talking genocide, right? Just kill them all and let God sort it out? You want extend the Viet Nam analogy that Bush brought up yesterday to have Bush playing the part of Pol Pot? We “let the military do what needs to be done†and leave only enough troops to secure the oil fields. Is that your definition of victory?
Comment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
As I said in # 63, if you’re not advocating genocide by saying let the military “do what needs to be done” then what exactly do you mean when you say that?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmBy the way, I never advocated genocide.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Sure you do. You think every “raghead” should die? Your words not mine.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhat’s the matter, shane? Did the batteries in your vibe die?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmThey don’t use big words like that at his community colleges.
Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
You give Mr. Pus too much credit. Definitely a home school victim.
Sad really, the outside world can be so beautiful.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmWell, I see my comment at 54 has now disappeared.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmWell, I’ll have you know, whoever you are, that Mathematics is a branch of philosophy, so is logic.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Any connection between Mr Pee/Makarios and logic is hallucinatory at best.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmpete, you piece of shit!!! You posted at the same time I did and all of my information went blank!!!
F*ck you, liberal.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pm” Mathematics is a branch of philosophy, so is logic.
Comment by Makarios ”
Well it was 4000 years ago, when it was acceptable for grown ment to have sex with little boys, which explains why you pine for those lost days of wine and roses.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmThere’s too many libtrolls in here, f*cking sh*t up. My comments are being censored because they are too TRUE!!!!
F*ck you, liberals.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:55 pmGood job, P. You and your boyfriend are going to get the registration for us here just like we wanted. Did you notice how often you have to change your name, because we all just paste your discgusting posts and send them to the administrators. You are such a dunce.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:56 pmmakarios,
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:56 pmComment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Heh. Looks like the vibe comment hit a little too close to home for ya!
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:57 pmDoes this happen often around here? now it’s back.
anyway, Makarios, what is it that you mean when you say the military should “do what needs to be done”? Why don’t you try answering the questions at 59 too? Or do you prefer just to hurl insults back and forth?
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmOr do you prefer just to hurl insults back and forth?
Comment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
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Hey, you libs started it, and I have explained what I would do plenty of times.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmI may be a dumass liberal, but your use of the adjective “dumass” proves that you know that there are smart liberals out there. You’re just a republican, to call you dumass would be redundant.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmThere’s too many libtrolls in here, f*cking sh*t up. My comments are being censored because they are too TRUE!!!!
F*ck you, liberals.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Nope, they’re being censored because you are SWINE. This is not meant to be an insult to pigs, sorry pigs.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmGo F*ck Yourself, dumba$$ liberal.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
Go google yourself, you whiney little coward. You are a repulsive piece of pond scum. Get lost.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:01 pm“Getting the troops home quicker is always good news for the libs; more targets for their ridicule, condescension and spitwads.
Comment by Liberalism Causes AIDS”
Do you care to show proof where this ever happened? No??? You’re just another moronic troll who throws out lies and actually thinks that people are going to believe you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:02 pmHeh. Looks like the vibe comment hit a little too close to home for ya!
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
You couldn’t hit your crotch with both hands dumbass. You’re confusing me with your mother, again.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmF*ck you, liberal.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Wrong again.
DISCREDITED. NEXT ALIAS PLEASE!
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmWell I am sorry Makarios. I haven’t seen those previous posts. So please enlighten me. And I’ve not insulted you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:04 pmOk folks. Let’s stop responding to Makaros. I know I did it and I”m sorry. Nothing is gained by responding to him. All he is doing is heaping a pile of shit in the middle of this thread and too many of us are walking through it. How about we walk around it and pretend it isn’t there.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:05 pmComment by Dora — August 23, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
I’d love to, Dora, and thank you for not resorting to the level of these pathetic libs. I have suggested in the past an extensive, psychological and educational supplement to the surge. This would mean teaching and instilling Iraqis (of all ages) some of the basic values required for a civilization to thrive (such as NO KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, etc., etc.).
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by bilbogaggins — August 23, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Wrong, liberal. You dumba$$ liberal friends did that, not me.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 pmThis administration has broken our fighting forces.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 pmOther nations see this, and know we are not in any position to back up any other threats.
We are weakened geopolitically, like we’ve never before been in our country’s history.
Let’s hope Russia and China don’t get any ideas of taking advantage of that.
I’d love to, Dora, and thank you for not resorting to the level of these pathetic libs. I have suggested in the past an extensive, psychological and educational supplement to the surge. This would mean teaching and instilling Iraqis (of all ages) some of the basic values required for a civilization to thrive (such as NO KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, etc., etc.).
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Oh you want reeducation camps, the kind Bush is crying about in Viet Nam. It’s okay as long as you reeducate people to christianity, right.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pmThat’s quaint, mr. p. You’re a quaint little fellow.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pmComment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
No. I didn’t say anything about Christianity. YOU ADDED THAT YOURSELF, liberal.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:13 pmOh you want reeducation camps, the kind Bush is crying about in Viet Nam. It’s okay as long as you reeducate people to christianity, right.
Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Not to mention the irony of Mr Pee proposing a massive education project involving millions of people when our government apparently hasn’t been able to teach Mr Pee to formulate a coherent thought. Assuming, of course, that Mr Pee’s stories about attending community college are not just more lies and that his mom isn’t entirely responsible for his “education.”
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:15 pmSee, Dora.
This is the problem, these “liberals” aren’t open to new ideas so a conversation is impossible.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:17 pmwell, I responded but it doesn’t seem to be posting.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 pm“See, Dora.
This is the problem, these “liberals†aren’t open to new ideas so a conversation is impossible.
Comment by Makario”
WAHHHHHHHHHHH!
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 pmsay, mak.
do we need to re-post all of your insanity? it will take some work, but
for you, it’s worth it.
mr. p, you’re wrong, you’ve never been right…. and you’re not even old enough to fight your own battles.
So, why should we listen to you, p?
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:24 pmSo, why should we listen to you, p?
Comment by alp3 — August 23, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
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Alf3,
I don’t care if you listen to me or not.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:26 pmWAH!!!!
I’ve been exposed TIME AND TIME again that I am a mere fraud, a puppet if you will, a shill for the GOP smear machine!!!!!
wHERE’S mY cHEK, BEOTCHES??!!??!?!?!??!?!??!!??
HeyOOOOoooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:59 pmI want to get everyones attention attention for this one! Its quite fun!
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 pmThere is an organization, freedom.org, which has a toll free number, 877-222-8001, who’s purpose is to connect constituents with their members of congress to urge them to “stay the course” in Iraq (probably not many “real” calls).
My friends and I had a great time with the call in line at happy hour today!
When you call there is a whole diatribe about how if the US leaves Iraq the terrorists will “follow us home”! When the operator gets on the line he/she asks do you agree that if the US “cuts and runs” from Iraq that the terrorists will follow us home.
I said sure, I believe that is the case.
I was then transfered to my representative, Jim Wash (r) NY. When the staffer answered the phone I explained that I was transferred by freedom.org and that they were concerned that the terrorists would follow us home if we “cut and run” from Iraq. I told him that I absolutely thought it true because I had a “terrorist” under my bed at the very moment and asked what I should do to get rid of him!
I urge everyone to have a bit of fun with this one, jamming the switchboard, and making them see the ridiculousness of their assumption!
Some of my friends asked how they could get the terrorist out of his trunk, out of the dishwasher etc…
Have fun! Jam the switch boards!
Have fun! Jam the switch boards!
Comment by Richard Cowen — August 23, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
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You’re not too bright.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:26 pmNot too bright Makarios???
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmNot sure what you mean. Will the gestapo come to take me away?
“No. But freedom.org may be keeping a tally of how many calls they get, so they can use those stats in the future.”
Comment by Makarios
Big deal. They’re nothing but astroturfers, so any “stats” they produce will be instantly suspect.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 pmhey, mak.
if i was to call away, how does that affect you? personally?
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmNo. But freedom.org may be keeping a tally of how many calls they get, so they can use those stats in the future.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
The point is that nearly everyone in the country sees this for what it is.. a ridiculous ploy to keep us involved in a war that no one wants. Even the majority of the folks who believed the original lies no longer support the war built on lies.
I’ve heard that the budget for this particular campaign of connecting citizens with their members of congress is $25M. I say lets spend it all in pointing out how absurd they all are!
Fear mongering only works for so long. Smart people at some point wake up to smell the coffee. We have now reached “morning in America”! Everyone smells the coffee and we’re now about to start the work of the day to correct the errors that occurred durring our slumber!
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmOur troops are paying too high a price in Iraq. The policy in Iraq has not been worthy of their immense sacrifice. Bush must change course and set a date for troop withdrawal.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:33 am>I have suggested in the past an extensive,
>psychological and educational supplement
>to the surge. -Phister Pee Mee
hahahah! Mr. P, Mr. P..just when I thought you couldnt say anything more stupid…
What country would these teachers come from? Who would transport them around and keep them safe from insurgents? How much would they get paid for this exceedingly high risk work? Do you really expect that people who have to risk thier lives just to go get food or gasoline are going to endanger themselves further just to go sit in on a glass intited “allah sez bombs arent cool” and “how to love your occupation 101″.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Wow….I don’t think I’ve heard a more ridiculous proposal my entire life..
August 24th, 2007 at 7:29 amAt the risk of putting this thread back on topic, I am pleased to see that Geren is exhibiting common sense as far as the troops are concerned. My worry is that he will eventually be overruled by Bush and Cheney (who fancy themselves military experts), and deployments will be extended anyway.
The only other way to continue the supply of troops needed to sustain the surge (not to mention the invasion of Iran that Cheney and the other neocons want) is to reinstate the draft. This, of course, would be political suicide, so it will be avoided at all costs. The biggest cost, of course, being the erosion of our existing military.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:58 amWhat country would these teachers come from? – lefty
Umm… Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:22 pm