Family loses second son in Iraq due to Blackhawk crash.
The downing of a Blackhawk helicopter in Iraq this week that killed 14 U.S. soldiers was especially devastating for the Hubbard family. The death of Spc. Nathan Hubbard, 21, “was the second tragedy for his family, who lost another son to the war three years ago, family friends said.”
Hubbard’s family was taking his death “very, very hard,” said Clovis police spokeswoman Janet Stoll-Lee, who spoke on behalf of the Hubbards. The soldier’s father, Jeff Hubbard, is a retired 30-year veteran of the police department.
The Hubbards lost Nathan’s older brother, Marine Lance Cpl. Jared Hubbard, to a roadside bomb in downtown Ramadi in 2004. A third brother, Jason, will be returning home from Iraq to be with his family, Stoll-Lee said.
USA Today offers more details on some of the other soldiers.
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Somebody get Spielberg on the horn.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 pmYou are a piece of excrement. I can only hope that by the law of averages, or the hand of god - if that’s how you believe - you get what’s coming to you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmThe progressives here despise this dead soldier, unfortunately. This is a fact beyond the shadow of a doubt. While progressives will lie through their teeth that they “care” about US soldiers in Iraq–which they impotently try to show by overriding Bush’s CiC role and bringing them home before their mission is finished successfully–they really don’t. Their ideology and policy positions really implicate progressives as cursing US soldiers. In fact, I’m betting that many Toilet Paper hate-site readers think Nathan Hubbard deserved to die and is burning in hell (progs only acknowledge a hell when they hope that US soldiers are burning in it). Here is proof that libs hate US soldiers: Obama accuses US soldiers of bombing civilian villages in Afghanistan; Murtha publicly condemned US soldiers for committing “atrocities” in Iraq; and John Kerry charged that US soldiers were “terrorizing” Iraqi women and children. The progressives here feel the same way.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmI can only hope that by the law of averages, or the hand of god - if that’s how you believe - you get what’s coming to you.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Dont you worry. Universe is known for its sense of irony.
Karma is a b*tch.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 pmMy codolences to the family. I’m glad the third son will soon be out of harms way.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 pmYou trolls should willingly shoulder much of the blame for this tragedy.
MrParagraphofNonsensicalRanting really doesn’t have much to say.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:14 pmWhat a horrible thing to post in a political forum. The libs want to use this death to support their anti-war agenda, causing pain to the man’s family. I pray for this man’s family.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 pmHow dare you speak for this Marine or to tell anyone here what they think, you vile piece of crap. You are a coward of the first order, hiding behind a computer terminal to make your wiseass cracks. I suggest you confront a progressive - any progressive - in person and make the same statement to them. Before you do, I suggest that you get a magic marker and number your teeth so that you’ll know where each one goes when you have them put back in your mouth. You coward.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 pmI pray for this man’s family.
Comment by Johnny Sausage
Hmmm….sausage prayers. Smells like roasted flesh.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmI suggest that you get a magic marker and number your teeth so that you’ll know where each one goes when you have them put back in your mouth. You coward.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Empty threat, from an empty liberal.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmIf our anti-war agenda had been followed, this young man would be alive right now. You are a cowardly right-wing pussy.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:19 pmSmells like roasted flesh.
Comment by dlet
Here’s another lib who “supports” the troops. How dare you refer to that soldier like this.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine
Response by: RepublicansaretheonesthatputtheMarineinthegrave
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pmYou’re a pussy.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pmIf our anti-war agenda had been followed, this young man would be alive right now. You are a cowardly right-wing pussy.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
You’re a tough guy from behind a computer. I just reported you to TP for abusive remarks.
Most Dems voted for the Iraqi war.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:21 pmYou’re a pussy.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
5th grade name calling. It’s all you’re capable of.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhat a horrible thing to post in a political forum. The libs want to use this death to support their anti-war agenda, causing pain to the man’s family. I pray for this man’s family.
Comment by Johnny Sausage — August 23, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
IF this man’s family is here it’s because they are against the war. And WE are the ones who wanted the war ended and this young soldier home safely. One dead soldier is too many for a war fought for oil revenues of the rich. You are the scum here pushing your political agenda on a progressive site and using the death of a soldier to make your sick point.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmMarcus,
Exactly what makes him a coward?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 pmSmells like roasted flesh.
Comment by dlet
Here’s another lib who “supports†the troops. How dare you refer to that soldier like this.
Comment by Johnny Sausage — August 23, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
He was talking to you sausagebreath, god you people are stupid.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 pmMy condolences to the family. I can’t even imagine their pain.
Support the Troops — Bring Them Home Now.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 pmThere is nothing progressive about supporting defeat and surrender in Iraq.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 pm#4, obviously you are a very angry person of very limited intellectual capacity. You make a wonderful cowardly sheep, right along the rest in your party and your president, the worst in the history of this country.
You probably took quite a long time to write that post, unfortunately it is full of lies and other right-wing talking points.
It’s really a shame that you and your ilk are such cowards. Typical Archie Bunker types, waving flags and hiding under your bed every time someone shouts “terrorist.” Dude, they’ve beaten you! HA!
You don’t know the first thing about patriotism but I bet you have all of Rush’s books. You wouldn’t know true freedom if it bit your ass. I’d love to hear your views on the constitution, the founding fathers, the system of checks and balances and maybe even the concept of liberty, unfortunately you’ve proven in one post that you know nothing about any of these things.
It’s really sad that you come here to attack REAL Americans who care enough about this country to want to see it live on.
“The progressives here despise this dead soldier…” Dignifying this asinine statement with an answer would be almost as disrespectful as you are.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 pmCan we please not respond to the bloodthirsty trolls on this type of thread? Let THEM be the sick f*cks.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 pmIt is just sad that people here think there is value in throwing garbage over the memory of this person and the pain of his family. What do you expect to gain from you anonymous slanders?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 pmHe was talking to you sausagebreath, god you people are stupid.
Comment by shane
No.
He was referring to the dead soldier as smelling like roasted flesh. It’s sick and I reported him to TP.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 pmNo one has a right to mock any of our honorable soldiers who dies for this country. Doesn’t matter what you think of the war, Bush, the right or the left or the center.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 pmSupport the Troops — Bring Them Home Now.
Comment by Zooey
You’re using their deaths to promote your narrow viewpoint.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 pmSupport the troops, not the mission. The failed war-of-choice mission is what got this young man killed and brought a terrible tragedy upon a family. Those who continue to support the ego-driven mission of a fool like Bush are the ones who oppose the troops. They are simply putting their desire for Bush and his twisted ideology to succeed ahead of the lives of young men like Nathan Hubbard. You simply cannot support the troops by supporting a mission based upon lie-after-lie, deceit, and distortion by Bush and his ilk. In fact, the more this mission of deceit is supported, the less the troops are being supported. They are the ones paying the ultimate price for Bush’s lies.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmExactly what makes him a coward?
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Cowards are people like you who dance on the graves of dead soldiers. People like you who pretend to be the criminal officer that ordered the code red on his own man. You probably laugh at the death of Pat Tillman too, don’t you?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmTime to get out of Iraq.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmyour president, the worst in the history of this country.
Comment by thoughtcriminal
Jimmy Carter is probably the worst in history.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmNo more death.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 pmNo more death for the politicians and ruling class.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 pmNo more death for Mr. P.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 pmShane,
Actually I have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t dance on anyone’s grave. I’m just trying to understand why people use the arguement that if you support the war then you should enlist, and if not you are a coward. By that reasoning, if you are against deforestation, you should spend your whole life chained to a tree.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 pmDamn, that sucks. Those helicopters can be dangerous I guess.
Comment by Makarios
My condolences to the families.
Sand is hard on Helicopters Makarios.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 pmtest
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 pmI believe we can blame a sand storm on why those copters crashed during the Iranian Hostage crisis.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:35 pmRudy Giuliani is going to be the next president of the united states! I would like to reach out to progressives here who would like to support his run.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 pmHiding behind a blog.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmbelieve we can blame a sand storm on why those copters crashed during the Iranian Hostage crisis.
Comment by ForTruth
Yes, that and a lack of parts to repair them correctly as is probably the case in Iraq today.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmHere is proof that libs hate US soldiers: Obama accuses US soldiers of bombing civilian villages in Afghanistan;
Comment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine #4
Please provide proof…
…that he said it…
…(and if he did)…
…that he’s lying…
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmthose “copters crashed during the hostage crisis” because Carter was given WRONG information by his military commanders so that they could discredit him and get their war-monger buddy Reagan into office. Theres a whole history of this country that you should really learn about.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmBy that reasoning, if you are against deforestation, you should spend your whole life chained to a tree.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Any proof you really served? The trolls that come here have ben known to, uh, make up stuff like crazy.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 pmMarcus,
Then you can accuse everyone of being a coward on here.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 pmThoughtcriminal,
You are out to lunch dude.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 pm“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else”
- Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 pmThen you can accuse everyone of being a coward on here.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
How so?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 pmRepublic,
I was with the 82nd Airborne both times, Afghanistan in 2003, Iraq 2003-2004. Short of posting my records on here, that’s about the best I can do for ya.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 pmActually I have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t dance on anyone’s grave. I’m just trying to understand why people use the arguement that if you support the war then you should enlist, and if not you are a coward. By that reasoning, if you are against deforestation, you should spend your whole life chained to a tree.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
I believe if you are young, and believe in the war you should go fight it. And by that reasoning if you are against deforestation you don’t chop down trees, you plant them. I don’t know how your reasoning works but I doubt that is your real name and most posters who have served in the military believe that the war mongers here, who are in their twenties but don’t serve, should serve.
Since you are not using your real name why would you take the name of an officer who had his own soldier killed. You are no Jack Nicholson.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmRepublic,
You can accuse everyone of being a coward, because we are all blogging. If one person is “hiding” behind a blog, we all are. There’s no way to tell the difference.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmShort of posting my records on here, that’s about the best I can do for ya.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
We have a Ranger that comes here to post. maybe you’ll be lucky enough to cross paths w/ him. It’s easy to say you served and not offer up concrete proof.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmWhat exactly is a “chickenhawk”? According to The New Hampshire Gazette, “a “chickenhawk” has three qualities: bellicosity (a warlike manner or temperament), public prominence, and a curious lack of wartime service when others their age had no trouble finding the fight
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmkernel, maybe do a little research, “dude”. start with iran-contra, admiral john poindexter, ollie north, etc.. work your way back.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmThere’s no way to tell the difference.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
I don’t agree w/ you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:46 pmYou can accuse everyone of being a coward, because we are all blogging. If one person is “hiding†behind a blog, we all are. There’s no way to tell the difference.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
So you believe it is appropriate for an officer to order a code red on one of his men?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:48 pmShane,
No I am no Jack Nicholson, but Col. Jessep is a great character cause he doesn’t stand for people who have no idea what it means to do his job, try and tell him how to do it.
As for my reasoning, I believe you can support a cause and not be at the forefront of that cause. IE, you can support a nation at war and not fight.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmSomething I posted at the end of an earlier thread. I hope its not too repetitive. Forgive me if it is. I just want everyone to call!
I want to get everyones attention attention for this one! Its quite fun!
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmThere is an organization, freedom.org, which has a toll free number, 877-222-8001, who’s purpose is to connect constituents with their members of congress to urge them to “stay the course†in Iraq (probably not many “real†calls).
My friends and I had a great time with the call in line at happy hour today!
When you call there is a whole diatribe about how if the US leaves Iraq the terrorists will “follow us homeâ€! When the operator gets on the line he/she asks do you agree that if the US “cuts and runs†from Iraq that the terrorists will follow us home.
I said sure, I believe that is the case.
I was then transfered to my representative, Jim Wash (r) NY. When the staffer answered the phone I explained that I was transferred by freedom.org and that they were concerned that the terrorists would follow us home if we “cut and run†from Iraq. I told him that I absolutely thought it true because I had a “terrorist†under my bed at the very moment and asked what I should do to get rid of him!
I urge everyone to have a bit of fun with this one, jamming the switchboard, and making them see the ridiculousness of their assumption!
Some of my friends asked how they could get the terrorist out of his trunk, out of the dishwasher etc…
Have fun! Jam the switch boards!
Shane,
It was a movie, let’s move on.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmWhy did the family allow all 3 of their sons to go to Iraq? How come NONE of Romney’s 5 sons are NOT in Iraq?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 pmIt was a movie, let’s move on.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
I get this feeling Shane nailed ya.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 pmThoughtcriminal,
All I know is the Army trained the unit which eventually became Delta for two years for just such a mission as the Iranian Hostage Crisis. I highly doubt those leaders on the ground that night would have given false ino and endangered the lives of their men, in the off chance Reagan MIGHT get elected.
That;s where I think you are out to lunch.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 pmComment by Richard Cowen — August 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Hey Dick, you’re showing some real class posting that on this thread. Pull your head out, ok?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 pmIt was a movie, let’s move on.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
And the topic is the death of soldiers. And you are using the name of a character that ordered the death of one of his men. Since the death of Pat Tillman and the ensuing coverup, I don’t find it very amusing.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmHow so Republic?
Do I believe in fratricide? Of course not. He’s using a movie to make his point. Why not using something real?
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmAs for my reasoning, I believe you can support a cause and not be at the forefront of that cause. IE, you can support a nation at war and not fight. -Col Jessep
Well, you would have to stick around a while to find out that we have some particularily heinous folks that come here talking about how torture is a good thing, and how all muslims should be killed etc. etc. Thats who the coward remarks are directed to Col. Jessep they go far beyond just supporting America.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmyou can support a nation at war and not fight.
Comment by Col. Jessep #49
…now THAT’S definitely…
…cowardice…
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 pmComment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Hey “Col,”
When are you going to offer your condolences to this young man’s family?
Trolls usually out themselves by their lack of empathy.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 pmShane,
Since you keep brining up A Few Good Men, if you remember, they never intended to kill him in that code red. He died of a heart condition bought on by the stress of the incident and sock in his mouth. Go rent it!
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 pmBig papa,
So my 93 year old grandma is a coward cause she supports me and doesn’t fight? Nice
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmOperation Eagle Claw, ColJ. google it.
It was some of the worst military advice ever given, but Carter trusted the generals who planned it. They TRICKED him into agreeing to it though they knew it would fail. They USED soldiers to further political gains, just like they’re doing now, get it?? There was much more evidence in the 70s but it was covered up by the same traitorous scum that filled body bags with cocaine and shipped them to America and then funneled the cash to the Ayatollah. Iran held the hostages until the day Reagan took over, do you think Iran was scared of Ronnie and that’s why they released them? No, it was because they’d been greased by criminals like ollie north and john poindexter. Do some freaking research before you come here and start trying to prove your intellect on matters you obviously have no clue about. I appreciate your career choices and the political ramifications that must be considered in such a field, but this is America we’re talking about, a great country that is on a very, very horrible path.
Just because we don’t support illegal, immoral wars does NOT mean that we love our sons and daughters any less that you.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 pmSince the death of Pat Tillman and the ensuing coverup, I don’t find it very amusing.
Comment by shane — August 23, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
I agree w/ you, Shane. Considering the topic of the thread and the choice of the name, it’s hard to believe that’s not meant to be provocative.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 pmZooey,
If I thought the family would read this I would. Trust me, I feel for this family. I have been to military funerals before. I have presented a folded American Flag to families.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 pmNice
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
“Colonel”, I suspect you’re a fraud.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:00 amThat;s where I think you are out to lunch.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
It seems unlikely that Pat Tillman would be killed by friendly fire and then the military would allow the administration to lie to his family but it happened. Supposedly. Of course we’ll never know exactly what happened with the President claiming executive privilege on this subject. But we’re still waiting for one of Pat Tillmans fellow soldiers to come forward and tell us exactly what happened. If they won’t come forward, what makes you think anybody involved in those earlier blackhawk crashes would. George Bush Sr. was the man behind the curtain then as he is now.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:00 amHe died of a heart condition bought on by the stress of the incident and sock in his mouth. Go rent it!
Comment by Col. Jessep
Because Jessep ordered those men to put that sock with some chemical substance in his mouth. Thats called murder.
And, on topic, if you think this conflict in Iraq is a fight for survival and you dont enlist, then yeah, it is cowardice not to fight it.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:02 amComment by Col. Jessep
And you post from your Mother’s basement, with Glen Beck.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:02 amSo my 93 year old grandma is a coward cause she supports me and doesn’t fight? Nice
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
You’re being deliberately obtuse, Colonel. These punks who post on TP are actively calling for the deaths of all Muslims, oppose any redeployment, and brag about being college students, or having a family as a reason why they shouldn’t serve.
That’s sick. You’re grandmother has nothing to do with it, and you know it.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:02 amMy condolences to the family coping with yet another loss.
President Bush’s recent remarks before the Veterans’ of Foreign Wars Group caused a few to raise their eyebrows. The President drew some parallels between the current situation in Iraq and the Vietnam War.
It’s not surprising that reactions to the comparison were mixed. There are those who agree with the President and those who don’t.
What a great opportunity this dialog affords us to look back. Fortunately, the Vietnam War was well-chronicled. We have primary sources. To be sure some could be called biased, a good adjective if you happen to disagree. But through these sources, we still may arrive at personal conclusions today.
I looked into some sources concurrent with the war in Vietnam, and I present for your consideration– Vietnam or Iraq?
I present this as a question, not a conclusion. Discerning viewers must decide for themselves. Whether one agrees with the President or not, a national dialog about our history as a nation is a good thing.
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com/Vietnam_or_Iraq.htm
If you have any viewing problems, just download one of the plugins linked to on the page.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:02 amRepublic,
Your right I’m not a real Colonel. If you had been paying attention you would know it’s already been established I took the name from jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:03 amJuan,
It’s a volunteer military and I respect that. Many of my friends have not enlisted and I have no problem with that.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:04 amSince you keep brining up A Few Good Men, if you remember, they never intended to kill him in that code red. He died of a heart condition bought on by the stress of the incident and sock in his mouth. Go rent it!
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
I own it. That didn’t make him any less dead, did it. Your compassion for dead troops is underwhelming. I’m having trouble believing you actually served.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:04 amHi Frank.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:05 amZooey,
Your right, but I am tired of the arguement that your a coward if you support the war and not fight. It’s a weak arguement.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:06 amAs for my reasoning, I believe you can support a cause and not be at the forefront of that cause. IE, you can support a nation at war and not fight.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
So you can send other people off to die without ever having the conviction to put your own life at risk?
It’s the classic chickenhawk and this administration and the Republican party has chickenhawks coming out their ears already. Virtually all of the neocons are chickenhawks because, after all, they’re the elite smart people and elite smart people don’t risk their lives. That’s what cannon fodder is for.
We have a significant number of keyboard commandos here, as well, people like Mr Pee who claims to be 24 years of age and is rabid to send “Islamofacists” to paradise but somehow never managed to get his butt down to the recruiting office. Better to let the cannon fodder take care of his obsession.
I’ve been listening to this crap since the 60s and the same people who eagerly used deferments to avoid service while calling us Dirty F&cking Hippies for opposing the Vietnam War have provided the core for today’s Republicans. Y’all sicken me.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:06 amExactly. And well said.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:07 amSo my 93 year old grandma is a coward cause she supports me and doesn’t fight? Nice
Comment by Col. Jessep #62
key phrase…
…(grandma) supports “YOU”…
…implying…
…an unconditional support for, love for and devotion to…
…YOU…
QUESTIONS:
“Do YOU believe that YOUR western civilization/way of life is threatened by these “terrorists?”
and if so…
…”shouldn’t YOU be defending it PHYSICALLY?”
August 24th, 2007 at 12:08 amComment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Thanks for managing to squeak out a few words of condolence. You don’t know the family won’t read this. I really hope they don’t.
Do you support this war? You’re using a false name and rank, don’t pull the “I’m not allowed to criticize the CIC” crap.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:09 amShane,
SPC Marshall L. Egerton KIA Dec 11, 2003 Ramadi, Iraq 82nd Signal BN, 82nd Airborne. Car Bomb exploded on our base. He was INSIDE it. I was there. All the windows in the buildign I worked in were completely blown out. i’m still amazed to this day I ddin’t get it with flying glass.
Don’t question whether I served!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:09 amI took the name from jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:03 am
And why are you afraid to use your own name?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:11 amHe’s a neocon posting inflammatory comments under a pseudonym on a progressive site. He’s an instigator, and he’s a coward. Neocons are afraid of everything, especially military service. They are by nature, cowardly.
So, why are you here?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:14 amT e s t
August 24th, 2007 at 12:15 amThe progressives here despise this dead soldier, unfortunately. This is a fact beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Comment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine
Yeah, and you’re an equally wonderful human being for politicizing such a matter.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:16 amYour right I’m not a real Colonel. If you had been paying attention you would know it’s already been established I took the name from jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Lied about your name, lied about your rank, and have the confrontational attitude of a neocon troll. What are we to believe.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:19 amT e s t Comment by Makarios
got nulled again my little submissive lemming?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:19 amThis is a fact beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Comment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine
Its your obscene opinion, it is not a truth, it is not a fact, and you cannot ever prove it to be one.
Now, get a new game, this Coulteresque idiocy is older than corprolite.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:21 amZooey,
Yes I support this war. 5 or 10 years down the road I might look back and feel different. But for right now I support it for better or for worse. I might find myself there again someday, and I would probably not but able to function as a soldier if I thought it was all for nothing.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:22 amComment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 12:06 am
Exactly. And well said.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 24, 2007 @ 12:07 am
A(f*cking)men to you both.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:23 amShane,
Why are so worried about the name I am posting under? I doubt that is the real Marcus Aurelius posting tonight. Is you name really Shane?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:24 amYes I support this war. 5 or 10 years down the road. Comment by Col. Jessep
George Bush said while debating Al Gore that our troops should not be used for nation building. Do you agree?
And as I recall Col. this was never declared a war. It is the result of a UN/US resolution to use force. It is, in effect, a police action. It was sold to the American people as a freedom operation.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:25 amT e s t
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Awe, did da widdle baby get banned, again?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:25 amIf you had been paying attention you would know it’s already been established I took the name from jack Nicholson’s character in A Few Good Men.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Hijacking names from movies is a favorite of trolls. I’ve never seen “A Few Good men”. Paying attention? Stick a sock in it. You’re a phony. YOU’VE ALREADY ADMITTED THAT!!! Do you really think anyone here is going to believe anything you say?
GO!!! AWAY!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:26 amAwe, did da widdle baby get banned, again?
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 12:25 am
It was probably that **Squirt Squirt** routine. Say, didn’t he direct that comment at you, Shane? maybe we should ask him what he meant. Let’s hear the explanation right from Makarios’ mouth.
Speak up, m’boy!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:29 amthis Coulteresque idiocy is older than corprolite.
Comment by Frank Burns — August 24, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Love the reference, many of the trolls DO resemble dinosaur dung but they smell much worse.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:29 amWeak argument for support of the war. Self-delusion, especially by someone capable of thoughtful analysis, is intellectual dishonesty. In 5 or 10 years, you will know that the war and the deaths on both sides was for nothing - because you already know it. Facts are - this war is based on lies, for reasons other than those stated by the business interests that started it. There are no natrional interests being served. There is no patriotic goal. There is no political goal. You can’t have “victory”, because you can’t define what “victory” means. I’m sorry you’re in the position you are.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:30 amFrank,
To an extent, troops serve a purpose in nation building. Mostly in building and training military, police force, security force areas. I do wish we had more help from other department in the government. Justice Department to help with the cour system etc. Not sure we are best suited for that even though we do have similar departments in the military.
Ya it’s not offically a WAR, but I still call it that and will continue to do so. Sorry.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:30 amWhy are so worried about the name I am posting under? I doubt that is the real Marcus Aurelius posting tonight. Is you name really Shane?
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Yes it is. And I would proudly refuse to serve this President in this war.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:30 am….I would probably not but able to function as a soldier if I thought it was all for nothing.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:22 am
Thanks for your honesty, Mr whatever your rank is.
This was is for nothing. I hope you survive your next trip over there.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:31 amDo you really think anyone here is going to believe anything you say?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
…don’t forget ROS…
…you’re corresponding with someone…
…who “BELIEVES” in Bushiva and L’il Dick’s war…
August 24th, 2007 at 12:32 amDon’t doubt who I am and what I did!
Isn’t that your shtick?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:34 amSpeak up, m’boy!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 24, 2007 @ 12:29 am
And then he referenced my husband. Now that ticked me off. But I don’t get mad, I get even. Everytime he posts something to me distasteful like that I copy it and send it to the administrators. So we can all enjoy it. Could be why the twerp is having trouble posting since he was quite off color on a previous thread.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:34 amMarcus,
In 5 to 10 years we will have a much better idea if Iraq will be a success or not. That’s why I might feel differently then.
I define victory as standing up a government and military force capble of serving the needs of the people of Iraq and denying uninhabited areas as training/staging areas for terrorists.
Also restoring the civil infrastructure and being able to provide basic services to the people.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:34 amCould be why the twerp is having trouble posting since he was quite off color on a previous thread.
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Excellent!!! Cyber High-five!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:35 amExcellent!!! Cyber High-five!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 24, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Delicious, isn’t it?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:36 amAlso restoring the civil infrastructure and being able to provide basic services to the people.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Gee, that’ll only take ten, fifteen years and trillions of dollars. This country will be bankrupt by then.
Hey, “restoring the civil infrastructure and being able to provide basic services to the people” - why aren’t we doing that here?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:37 amDelicious, isn’t it?
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Yeeeeaahh…. sweeeeet….
August 24th, 2007 at 12:38 amAlthough I constantly encourage people not to encourage the trolls by responding to their pointless distractions, I want to commend Marcus Aurelius for their comment at #9.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:38 amI define victory as standing up a government and military force capble of serving the needs of the people of Iraq and denying uninhabited areas as training/staging areas for terrorists.
Also restoring the civil infrastructure and being able to provide basic services to the people.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am
You do understand that there were no terrorists in Iraq before our occupation don’t you. In addition, the infrastructure was perfectly sound before we got there.
Maybe you can answer, what exactly are the 100,000 Blackwater personnel doing there.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:39 amRepublic,
Over the past 6 months a number of countries have written off most of not all of the debt that Iraq owed them as well as providing aid and loans to help rebuild, so we not in this alone.
As for why we aren’t doing that here, I can’t answer that. I don’t know. Will we ever solve all teh problems this country has domesticly? I hope so, but probably not.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:42 amI want to commend Marcus Aurelius for their comment at #9.
Comment by sponson — August 24, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Agreed, Sponson, but 2 points. One, Marcus assumed the troll could count. Two, he assumed the troll still had some teeth left. Outside of that, it was indeed an excellent post.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:43 amAwe, did da widdle baby get banned, again?
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Nah. Just testing the water.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:43 amMarcus,
In 5 to 10 years we will have a much better idea if Iraq will be a success or not. That’s why I might feel differently then.
I define victory as standing up a government and military force capble of serving the needs of the people of Iraq and denying uninhabited areas as training/staging areas for terrorists.
Not gonna happen, and you know it. An occupying army can’t “win the hearts and minds” of the occupied population. Never happened in the history of the world, and never will.
Also restoring the civil infrastructure and being able to provide basic services to the people.
You think the military is going to do that? Have they been feeding you drugs? That’s Halliburton’s job to pretend to be doing. You aren’t there for an altruistic purpose - you’re there so that the BA puts up a good front - and each soldier who dies makes it more difficult to leave (we stepped dead into it, and the only thing we can do now id to step more deeply into it. Bad logic). Do not delude yourself. Do you actually think that our Armed forces are providing “basic services” to the people of Iraq? Don’t. Delude. Yourself. It’s dishonest.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:44 amComment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Comment by Col. Jessep #103
…How are you planning on PAYING for all of this benevolence…
…especially when you run with the “I HATE taxes crowd”?…
August 24th, 2007 at 12:44 amThank you.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:47 amShane,
I disagree with the asertion that there were no terrorists in Iraq prior to our arrival. I believe there was.
Ask the Shitte’s how they liked their infrastructure after Saddam damed the Tigres and darned all the swamps in the south.
I haven’t interacted with Blackwater personnel so I’m not sure what they, I would only be speculating
August 24th, 2007 at 12:47 amdomesticly?
Comment by Col. Jessep #113
“An Army of ONE”…
…’er more like…
“An Army of Dumb!”
August 24th, 2007 at 12:47 amI think this is the next wave in troll technology here, folks - “The Reasonable Troll”.
We’ve had an endless supply of Mr. Ps. We’ve had the concern trolls. And now we have the “friendly, reasonable, experienced troll”, here to gently explain why George and the GOOPers are right ,and we’re wrong fron not supporting the war.
The “Colonel” has already admitted he lied. Is there really any point in talking w/ him, or her, as the case may be?
Two movie Colonels in one night? Where’s Colonel Klink? Colonel Blimp? Colonel Colonel?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:47 amI didn’t leave the building, son. I was just paying your mamma a visit.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:48 amNot gonna happen, and you know it. An occupying army can’t “win the hearts and minds†of the occupied population. Never happened in the history of the world, and never will.
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That isn’t necessary. The Iraqis have to maintain the gov’t and military force eventually.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:49 amThere is a real Col. Jessep. I found records. Whether he is the same person who is in our thread or not is immaterial. Service in Iraq was in the records.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:50 amMarcus Aurelius - actual dead Roman Emperor
No… really?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:50 amI would only be speculating
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Troll’s batteries seem to be running down. Grammar and spelling goin’ to hell.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:50 amMarcus,
We may not have to win the hearts and minds totally. We might just have to present ourselves as the leser of two evils. It’s already startign to happen in Western Iraq. Tribes are standing up for themselves against AQ. They are asking us and teh Iraq government for help. You should haev watched the Daily SHow tonight. Great interview with an Army officer who served there in the past and talked about what is happening now.
We are restoring infrastructure. The Army Corp of Engineers has projects all over the country.
And they Army tests regularly for drugs so no I’m not on them.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:52 am“Eventually,” like when they sign their oil over to us? How about yesterday?
Dude, I thought you got banned. Don’t make me whup your sexually deviant little ass again.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:52 amThe polite, patient, almost paternalistic tone, gently pushing the pro-war viewpoint.
SHILL!!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:53 amThose helicopters can be dangerous I guess.
Comment by Makarios — August 23, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Yes, a coward like you would have to “guess”, but it’s alright, we know how much the right hates the troops. There’s another for your belt.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:54 amMarcus,
Even the Dems know that Iraq is not a lost cause. It’s just you far left fringe moonbats that have the doubts.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:54 amNo Republic, it’s just that someone is finally on here who can make an arguement and combat some of the crap that flies on this site!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:55 amThe progressives here despise this dead soldier, unfortunately. This is a fact beyond the shadow of a doubt. While progressives will lie through their teeth that they “care†about US soldiers in Iraq–which they impotently try to show by overriding Bush’s CiC role and bringing them home before their mission is finished successfully–they really don’t. Their ideology and policy positions really implicate progressives as cursing US soldiers. In fact, I’m betting that many Toilet Paper hate-site readers think Nathan Hubbard deserved to die and is burning in hell (progs only acknowledge a hell when they hope that US soldiers are burning in it). Here is proof that libs hate US soldiers: Obama accuses US soldiers of bombing civilian villages in Afghanistan; Murtha publicly condemned US soldiers for committing “atrocities†in Iraq; and John Kerry charged that US soldiers were “terrorizing†Iraqi women and children. The progressives here feel the same way.
Comment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine — August 23, 2007 @ 11:07 pm”
Amen, brother.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:55 amHas anyone ever heard of a progressive, liberal, democrat or any one that opposes the invasion/massacre ever make a nasty comment towards those in the military? Post #9 - that is one hideous lie, a lie I have heard all too often. Perhaps it is made to distract from the fact those like you are too cowardice to fight in this evil cause you believe in. This is a lie fabricated by hate America because they need something to talk about - can’t be the truth.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:57 amNo Republic, it’s just that someone is finally on here who can make an arguement and combat some of the crap that flies on this site!
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:55 am
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Hey buddy, I hate to break it to you… but these liberals don’t care about logical arguments. If you aren’t appealing to their emotions, they don’t care.
Remember how Zooey was furious because you didn’t “say nice about the family,” because you never know if they will read this or not?
August 24th, 2007 at 12:58 amNo Republic, it’s just that someone is finally on here who can make an arguement and combat some of the crap that flies on this site!
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Told ya so, folks! Paid Repuke shill!!!!
We’ll probably going to get more and more of this here. The nasty fools like Makarios and Bigfoot weren’t gittin’ the job done. Ole KKKarl weren’t gittin’ enough bang for your buck, so now we got the kindly, concerned Ole Colonel here, ’splainin’ patiently why we’re all wrong.
The Surge is working!
August 24th, 2007 at 12:58 amComment by Progressivesblahblah August 23, 2007 @ 11:07 pmâ€Amen, brother. Comment by O. Bigfoo
I see Sybil is talking to itself again. Big old Yawn.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:59 amHas anyone ever heard of a progressive, liberal, democrat or any one that opposes the invasion/massacre ever make a nasty comment towards those in the military?
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Umm… yeah. All the time.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:59 amComment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Mister, you are wishful thinkin’, and lives and treasure are being wasted in the meantime. I could look it all up, but we’ve exhausted all of the talking points here before. I disagree, and I have the facts - not the Daily Show, on my side. The problem is that people like you are wasting my countrymen and my tax money. You might be in the military and you might get wasted - I hope not - but the kid at the top of this post didn’t have to die for some misbegotten oil grab. If you believe you are doing the right thing, i can’t change your mind. I can speak the truth.
BTW: there has never been a soldier who, at one point, didn’t think he was doing the right thing.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:59 amWe are restoring infrastructure. The Army Corp of Engineers has projects all over the country.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Well that would explain why people in Baghdad have no water and virtually no electricity.
Not to mention the buildings constructed by American contractors which literally leaked sh!t through the ceilings.
Ah, we’re doing a heck of a job.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:00 amThese liberals don’t care about logical arguments. If you aren’t appealing to their emotions, they don’t care.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 12:58
Riiiight… “The Saudis aren’t Molsems!”
**SQUIRT SQUIRT**
Care to explain your own words?
August 24th, 2007 at 1:00 amAs for my reasoning, I believe you can support a cause and not be at the forefront of that cause. IE, you can support a nation at war and not fight.
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 23, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Yes, but that makes you a coward and a chickenhawk, unless you are ineligible. Especially an unnecessary war against a country that was no threat. You are not and have never been in service.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:00 amthe kid at the top of this post didn’t have to die for some misbegotten oil grab
The crash was caused by “mechanical problems,†the same kind that happen here. You can’t blame this on Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:02 amAll the time.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Whatever fantasies you have about yourself, Makarios, you’re not “military”.
Care to explain what **Squirt Squirt** is supposed to mean?
August 24th, 2007 at 1:02 amI see your true colors coming through. Pathetic. Here we go, y’all - just post around my answers.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:02 amHere is some violence and infrastructure metrics from the Brookings institution on Drums blog.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
August 24th, 2007 at 1:02 amI love it whan you talk like that.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:04 amComment by Frank Burns — August 24, 2007 @ 1:02 am
You link to a site with a quote from Clinton at the top…
Well done, liberal.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:05 amShane did her thing.
Comment by Col. Frank Slade — August 24, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Sorry!!! Not even in the same neighborhood as an “answer”. That was the Mackerel’s comment, and the Mackerel’s alone. Only he knows what he meant. I’m beginning to think he’s arfraid to explain his own words!
You’re a big boy, Mackerel… speak up!
August 24th, 2007 at 1:06 amDepending on your approach, bathing your Sasquatch can be a pleasant or a traumatic experience for all involved. Some Bigfoot species are natural water lovers, while others not only hate the process, they prove the theories about Yeti ESP by uncannily disappearing at bath time. Either way, by following a few simple guidelines, you’ll be able to clean up your canine companion faster than you can say, “Neocon Troll!”
August 24th, 2007 at 1:06 amHey Jessep!
…I’m still waiting for an answer to my ??? about…
…fiscal responsibility and taxes…
August 24th, 2007 at 1:06 amUmm… yeah. All the time.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 12:59 am
and malarkey takes up the monkey-liar’s dance again. Spin, little liar, get that tutu whirling! dance with your liar buddy jessep, and the perverted bigfoot, do the liar’s chacha, slug the GOP koolaid, dance, dance, don’t stop or a thought might enter y8our empty heads!
August 24th, 2007 at 1:07 amThe deaths of the Hubbard brothers is indeed a tragedy, the type of tragedy which has a long history in the defense of our nation.
The fact that liberals will use those deaths to politicize our War on Terror, when both brothers obviously felt that serving their country was an honorable duty, is shameful.
Gravity works both inside, and outside, of Iraq. A helicopter can crash anywhere.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:07 amOkay, now the lunatic libs are starting to come out of the woodwork!
August 24th, 2007 at 1:08 amHey Frank…
…you finished eating your parents’ corpses in the basement I see…
August 24th, 2007 at 1:08 amEven though we disagree, can I still sex you up?
August 24th, 2007 at 1:08 amt’s just you far left fringe moonbats that have the doubts.
Comment by Makarios
So what was supposed to be shock and awe, a 6 month campaign, according to Rumsfeld, that has gone on much longer than expected is the cause of the doubt. Not the noonbats [you would think someone who knows about greeks would know about astronomy such as Saronic cycles] The doubt comes not from porgressives but from the poor planning and execution of the looney tune freedom operation party.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:08 amHere is proof that libs hate US soldiers: Obama accuses US soldiers of bombing civilian villages in Afghanistan; Murtha publicly condemned US soldiers for committing “atrocities†in Iraq; and John Kerry charged that US soldiers were “terrorizing†Iraqi women and children. The progressives here feel the same way.
Comment by ProgressiveswillspitongraveofMarine
Leave it to Bush supporters that have black hearts and evil thinking as you do.
We all understand, as Murtha understands and Obama understands that those in the military are going to follow orders, it is illegal for them not to. What is so sad about this evil massacre/invasion is many of the soldiers STILL believe they are going after those that struck us on 9/11.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:09 amDon’t distract the real truth with this lie… you evil doers who are just fine watching soldiers die over oil. Think you gas price will go down.. think again.
No Republic, it’s just that someone is finally on here who can make an arguement and combat some of the crap that flies on this site!
Comment by Col. Jessep — August 24, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Who’s that? Not you! I hope you don’t think that anyone here besides the Dancing Liar’s Club of wingnuts believes any of your bullshit! You’ve never seen service, that’s the only sure thing about you.
August 24th, 2007 at 1:09 amOkay, now the lunatic libs are starting to come out of the woodwork!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 1:08 am
And STILL it won’t explain its own words…
August 24th, 2007 at 1:10 amComment by O. Bigfoot #150
Hey BigMouth…
…my conscience is clear…
…I asked ‘em NOT to go…
…many times…
…is YOUR house insured against…
…falling helicopters?
August 24th, 2007 at 1:11 amThere is a real Col. Jessep. I found records. Whether he is the same person who is in our