Sen. Warner Calls On President Bush To Begin Iraq Withdrawal In September
Sen. Warner Calls On President Bush To Begin Iraq Withdrawal In September
Sen. John Warner (R-VA), a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, recently returned from a visit to Iraq. Today, he held a press conference to discuss his impressions from that trip.
Frustrated with the lack of political progress in Iraq, Warner said it is time to put some “meaningful teeth” into Bush’s claim that the U.S. commitment to Iraq “is not open-ended.” Warner said he is calling on President Bush to announce on Sept. 15 that he will “initiate the first step in a withdrawal”:
I say to the President, respectfully, pick whatever number you wish. You do not want to lose the momentum. But certainly, in the 160,000 plus — say 5,000 — could begin to redeploy and be home to their families and loved ones no later than Christmas of this year.
While Warner called for a timetable, he argued it was not the role of Congress to mandate it. “Let the President establish the timetable of withdrawal, not the Congress,” he said. Bush need not lay out the “totality of the timetable,” Warner argued. But he must announce at least “a single redeployment of some several thousand” soldiers.
Watch it:
After the first redeployment from Iraq, Warner said a second contingent should be withdrawn at a later date “at the President’s discretion.” Such a move, Warner argued, “would get everyone’s attention.”
“We simply cannot as a nation stand and continue to put our troops at continuous risk of loss of life and limb without beginning to take some decisive action,” he said.
UPDATE: CNN reports that Warner met with White House “war czar” Gen. Doug Lute today at the White House to convey his recommendations.
UPDATE II: Asked to respond to Warner earlier today, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, “I think it’s inappropriate for me to say from here right now what the president will or will not consider.” A reporter followed up:
QUESTION: The president has frequently said a timetable would be a disastrous course of action.
JOHNDROE: Yes, and I don’t think that the president feels any differently about setting a specific timetable for withdrawl.
UPDATE III: Brad Woodhouse, President of Americans United for Change: “His call for withdrawing a mere 5,000 troops by Christmas just to send a message to the Iraqi’s just doesn’t cut it — it doesn’t meet the standard of safely ending the war or responsibly redeploying our troops out of harm’s way. The time for ’sending messages’ has passed. The time for folks like Senator Warner, who criticize the conduct of the war and the failure of the surge, to take a stand and vote to safely end the war has arrived.”
Transcript:
WARNER: It seems to me the time has come to put some meaningful teeth into those comments, to back them up with some clear, decisive action to show that we mean business when those statements and others like it have been made.
And so, therefore, I make a recommendation to the president. I respectfully say to them in his consultation with the military here in the coming weeks — actually, that consultation is going along quite steadily.
Excuse me, I’ve got a bit of a cold.
That consultation is ongoing. Take into consideration the need to send a sharp and clear message throughout the region, to the United States, and one that people can understand.
I think no clearer form of that than if the president were to announce on the 15th that, in consultation with our senior military commanders, he’s decided to initiate the first step in a withdrawl of our forces.
I say to the president, respectfully, pick what ever number you wish. You do not want to lose the momentum, but certainly in 160,000- plus, say, 5,000 could begin to redeploy and be home to their families and loved ones no later than Christmas of this year.
That’s the first step.
Let the president establish the timetable of withdrawal, not the Congress. Under the Constitution, as commander in chief, he has that authority.
He need not lay out a totality of a timetable. I would advise against it. Take each step at a time, then make an evaluation of the impact of that step, that it did not lessen the momentum, did not lessen the ability of our forces to continue to supply a greater degree — provide a greater degree of security, be it Baghdad or where else we can do it, and to determine what is the reaction of the neighboring countries and the region. Perhaps they’ve all been sitting there, waiting to see what we would do.
And given the NIE, which says, Mr. President, it’s up to 12 months before we can expect any particular degree of reconciliation, we simply cannot, as a nation, stand and put our troops at continuous risk of loss of life and limb without beginning to take some decisive action which will get everybody’s attention.
That simple announcement of a single redeployment of some several thousand individuals under the military tradition — first-come, first-served in Iraq, first to depart — you’ve got to be careful how those selections — they can pick them from various units; put together a group and send them back. Then evaluate, re-evaluate how successful it has been. Then perhaps, at the president’s discretion, select a second date and time for a contingent to be redeployed.
Now, in my humble judgment, that will get everybody’s attention — the attention which is not being given to us at this time.
I got on the airplane, and I picked up the Jordan Times. This is the type of thing that’s written in periodicals, and each and every one of you has read it. And they say in the Jordan Times, The Iraqis hold the key to any U.S. withdrawals.
That’s got to be dispelled. Our president holds the key to any U.S. withdrawal. And I think a step as I’ve outlined will make that eminently clear.
And from that point, we’ll just have to evaluate each and every decision the president makes with regard to further withdrawals.
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Dream on, Warner!
And welcome to the club.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmOff-topic, but this is too good not to share — see, a Repub would have kept this to himself:
Ronald Reagan on Dubya
‘A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his ne’re-do-well son
around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the
political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all
the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40
and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New
Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or
something. That looks like easy work.’
From the just published REAGAN DIARIES. The entry is dated May 17, 1986. Courtesy of RockRap
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmShorter Warner: Dammit, we need to look like we’re doing something!
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pmWill the senator vote to cut funds if there is no draw down offered in Sept?
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pmShorter Warner: I’d like to get re-elected, please. Could you just throw me a bone, here, Georgie?
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmhows about 150,000 troops come home for christmas and 5000 stay in the green zone
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmGeorge’s response:
“Petraus will be here by the 15th, can he count as the withdrawal?”
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmThe poor deluded old fool. Bush is not going to draw down troops until next Spring, when deployment realities absolutely force him into it. But don’t worry about it Senator, several thousand troops will be sent home before Christmas. Unfortunetly, some of them will be missing limbs, or be suffering brain truama, the rest will be in a casket.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmIf Warner thinks this is going to save him from the gallows, he can think again.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmThat would be a no.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmNoOneYouKnow
In this case, Reagan was right.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmbad news nooneyouknow
looks like the quote isn’t real.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=6580
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmWarner may call for “meaningful teeth”, but I remain skeptical as long as he and all the other Republican senators vote in lockstep with the Bushney agenda.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmMy bad! Apparently the Reagan quote is false. Never mind.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmHowever, Warner’s still a tool.
Another tactic with the same Dem goal: Defeat, and the sooner the better!
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmhows about 150,000 troops come home for christmas and 5000 stay in the green zone
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 23, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Unfortunately, we now need those 150,000 troops there to keep the 5,000 from getting massacred. And the current security situation doesn’t really allow us to get any large numbers out unless we somehow invent the teleporter.
Nice little quagmire we’re in, eh?
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pm#2…does that really sound like Reagan? I totally can’t imagine him writing that way. Bogus.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmwarner must have visited the *other* iraq.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmnot the one vitter, alexander and corker visited.
one year ago almost the Iraq study group said redeploy the troops
then everybody could be home for christmas
all the troops would be happy
congress would be happy
Iraqis would be happy
I would be happy
Just because 1 megalomaniac would not be
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmWarner just wants a token number of troops returned home to help the GOP in Congress next year. Both parties are acting like criminals on Iraq.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmFor those interested in a psychological analysis of warmongering, I have recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.†It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives–concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq–or an attack on Iran–will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pm“say 5,000 — could begin to redeploy and be home to their families and loved ones no later than Christmas of this year.”
Excuse me, bring home 5,000 of our troops by Christmas. Nice try Warner. You are trying to convince your constituents you have seen the light but bringing home 5,000 troops won’t do a thing to stop this war. If you truly think that it is time to withdraw from Iraq, then sit down with the Democrats and work out a timetable of a real withdrawal of troops, not just a token gesture.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by NoOneYouKnow — August 23, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
That Reagan quote has already been debunked. The problem is that I felt that it was believable when I first saw it a while back.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmOff-topic, but this is too good not to share — see, a Repub would have kept this to himself:
Ronald Reagan on Dubya
Even thought I would love to think that Reagan said that about Bush, that quote has been proven to be another “urban myth” at:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/kinsley.asp
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmEven if he hadn’t said it out loud about George,
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmI’m sure he thought pretty much the same…
just throw in a ‘golly’ or two…
If you start in September and leave a quick as the Danes did ( they even left early)- all the troops could be home for Xmas
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmAnother tactic with the same Dem goal: Defeat, and the sooner the better!
Comment by JT — August 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Shut up, minority.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pm.
Warner’s timetable is to withdrawal 5,000 troops, every 6 months, so by election day next year about 10,000 to 15,000 removed. That would leave approximately 150,000 troops. Hillary Clinton said she wants to keep 50,000 in Iraq for her 4 to 8 years in office as president. So she can remove 100,000 troops and claim she pulled the troops out. Just do not notice the 50,000 left behind to guard the OIL fields with 100,000 mercenary soldiers.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmIt sounds like “darned if we do, and darned if we don’t†scenario for us in the U. S.!
http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmDisasterous for him, his cronies, and Halliburton shareholders.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmThat’s right, JT; we’re going to defeat Bushco, and the sooner the better.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmWarner’s timetable is to withdrawal 5,000 troops, every 6 months, so by election day next year about 10,000 to 15,000 removed. That would leave approximately 150,000 troops. Hillary Clinton said she wants to keep 50,000 in Iraq for her 4 to 8 years in office as president. So she can remove 100,000 troops and claim she pulled the troops out. Just do not notice the 50,000 left behind to guard the OIL fields with 100,000 mercenary soldiers.
Comment by Jay Randal
Then vote for Ron Paul. Go read what he means by the things he says then vote for him if you agree…
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmI,m not buying it. This feels like some sort of setup to protect the repugs for the upcoming election.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmDidn’t Sen. Warner hear Bush’s Kansas City speech? Does he want the blood of a million Iraqi’s on his hands from the Iraq killing fields?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmWhat do the republicans think of the over 100,000 mercanaries that we pay for in Iraq?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmFrom the just published REAGAN DIARIES. The entry is dated May 17, 1986. Courtesy of RockRap
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — August 23, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Completely fabricated, but its an honor to both the current and former President. W is his greatest successor.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmWarner and Timetable in the same sentence? One wonders what else the GOPrs are scheming to ram through Congress this time by the appearance of John Warner ‘give’-ing a little.
Personally, I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 footer. I think it is suspect.
Remember early August before Congress went for their summer break?
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmThank you, Senator Warner.
It’s about time a CONSERVATIVE with Military credentials speaks up.
Other than the generals that Bush fired for not being his “yes-men”.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmEven if that quote from the Diaries was true, who gives a f*ck what Reagan thought of GWB. I don’t need a second opinion to determine that he’s a complete moron who has no use for the American people or the Constitution.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmNot going to happen. There will be another surge in the Fall.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmCompletely fabricated, but its an honor to both the current and former President. W is his greatest successor.
Comment by m12 — August 23, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Guess that confirms what we always thought about your grasp of reality.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmyou are correct, reagen was indeed completely fabricated
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmW is his greatest successor.
He’s got a point, there. The Republicans’ candidates are even worse than Bush.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:24 pm.
Does he want the blood of a million Iraqi’s on his hands from the Iraq killing fields?
Comment by DallasNE — August 23, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
No one can take that away from Bush.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:25 pm.
Is the military covenant broken?
the Military Covenant, which says soldiers should expect fair treatment from the state for putting their lives in danger, is not being upheld.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/ news/ archives/ 2007/ 08/ 15/ is_the_military_covenant_broken.html
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmDoes he want the blood of a million Iraqi’s on his hands from the Iraq killing fields?
Comment by DallasNE — August 23, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
No one can take that away from Bush.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 23, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
But Dubya is trying his damnest to pass that “honor” on to the Dems. Watch how this plays out.
“I was against calling Iraq another Vietnam before I was for it because it will be my way to sneak out the back door, Heh Heh!”
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmI blame Senator Warner for much of the mess in Iraq. He was Chairman of the Armed Services Committe when it mattered. He did not assure that our troops had body armor. He rolled over and gave the Whitehouse everything they ever wanted. Warner clearly puts Party above our Constitution and the best interst of the United States. He make me ill. He has blood on his greedy little hands.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmBingo! #46. I say his action is suspect. I wouldn’t trust him.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pm5000?
What a fu*king crock.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:36 pm“We simply cannot as a nation stand and continue to put our troops at continuous risk of loss of life and limb without beginning to take some decisive action,†he said.
May I try to translate that into what it really means?
“We simply cannot as a party stand and continue to put our congressmen, senators and governors at continuous risk of loss of job and reputation without beginning to take some decisive action, “he said.
May their decisive action be redeploying Mr Bush to Crawford!
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pmafterthought to #49:
Oh and let the successor bring the troops home not in a trickle, but in a surge!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 pmBush will make sure the history books show that it was the War Czar that caused the illegal invasion of Iraq. Yes the thousands of soldiers that died based on lies was the fault of the War Czar not the President. The National Debt is Bill Clinton’s fault as for the past 6 years Bill has been wasting US money as President Bush has fought to save the United States. Future generations will never know the voters put an idiot, drunk, druggie in the Oval Office Twice. Even Daddy Bush can’t fix this problem his son is in. You would think Americans would have looked a little closer at who we have as President. Baby George has failed at each business his Daddy gave him so what would make anyone think things would change with that track record.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:43 pmThat may have worked 1000 years ago when most people couldn’t even breathe, but not in this day and age. Bush and his gang won’t be able to stop the free flow of truth. It is why we haven’t already slid into a full blown dictatorship. While the NeoCons have tried to resurrect the way Hitler came to be a dictator, the free flow of information has put too many blockades in their way.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmWTF? Oy!
That should be:
“That may have worked 1000 years ago when most people couldn’t even read,”
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:49 pmWhats this? The wingnuts want to SURRENDER!!!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmAnother tactic with the same Dem goal: Defeat, and the sooner the better!
Comment by JT — August 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Yes, by that stauch Dem, Warner.
wingnuts are stupid.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:59 pmSince the surge has maxed out our armed forces, a withdrawl is inevitable whether Bush wants it or not. It would have been called simply “a reduction in forces”. Warner merely asked for what was already coming. The result? Repubs get credit for needling Bush, and Bush gets cover by returning a few troops and everyone goes away happy. The coporate media covers the astounding partial withdrawl of troops, home in time for Xmas.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pmShortest Warner:
Gentlemen, we’ve got these phoney baloney jobs to protect!
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmI blame Senator Warner for much of the mess in Iraq. He was Chairman of the Armed Services Committe when it mattered. He did not assure that our troops had body armor. He rolled over and gave the Whitehouse everything they ever wanted. Warner clearly puts Party above our Constitution and the best interst of the United States. He make me ill. He has blood on his greedy little hands.
Comment by ProudIowaLib — August 23, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
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Bingo! #46. I say his action is suspect. I wouldn’t trust him.
Comment by L. Frederick Yonas
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmMaybe. But then OBVIOUSLY we shouldnt trust the BIG TRAITORS like Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rummy, etc. AT ALL…
Even Daddy Bush can’t fix this problem his son is in. You would think Americans would have looked a little closer at who we have as President. Baby George has failed at each business his Daddy gave him so what would make anyone think things would change with that track record.
Comment by Jackie
More amazing is the fact that the Bin Ladens were the FUNDERS for his failed businesses!!
LOL!!
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmElizebeth Taylor said Warner was her dumbest husband and she is right.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmHarry Belafonte called Bush “The BIGGEST Terrorist” and he is RIGHT.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pm#52
Good post. History will also show that Ronnie Reagan did his best to fu(k up this country too. He was always given waaay to much credit. Hell the jelly beans he ate had more sense than he had those last four years in office. Nancy was probably wiping his ass for him as early as 1985.
You chimpy leg humpers put that in your pipe and smoke it.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:31 pmMy first thought when I heard Sen. Warner’s, R-VA, statement (But he must announce at least “a single redeployment of some several thousand†soldiers.) was how many soldiers from Virginia are over in Iraq?
You see, there are now over 150,000 of our troops in Iraq, both regular, national guard and “called-up” reservists…and…there are 50 states, so by my estimate there are probably “several thousand” soldiers in Iraq from Virginia.
Just curious.
You can draw your own conclusions.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pmA couple thousand? WHY?!?!
That’s utterly stupid. 99% of them. Need to leave. ASAP.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:14 pmits an honor to both the current and former President. W is his greatest successor.
Comment by m12 — August 23, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
I agree that Bush was Reagans greatest successor.
Dumb and dumber.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 pmwhat is wrong with Warner? Does he really think he’s dealing with someone rational when he offers suggestions to bush…or is he just making political theater?
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:38 pm.
Oh, Warner was against torture before he voted for it. His words are meaningless, when it comes time to vote, he’ll do his part in rubber stamping whatever Bush wants.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:06 pmJeffersonian Democracy didn’t even work in the US - we had to switch to Hamiltonian Federalism, as Iraq should do.
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 pm…subtle…
…clever…
…devious…
…capitulation…
…GOP “politics” as usual…
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:48 pmFrom the just published REAGAN DIARIES. The entry is dated May 17, 1986. Courtesy of RockRap
Comment by NoOneYouKnow #2
…sounds about right…
August 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 pmNo troop withdrawal until victory in Iraq. Period.
And that is how it will be.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by O. Bigfoot #71
…offering a blood sacrifice (your child) to your gods bushiva and L’il Dick…
…will not make it so…
…you worship false idols…
…and are cursed among men…
August 24th, 2007 at 1:39 amBush is hopefully nervous now about his failed invasion. Great move by Warner, the end is near now hopefully.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:05 am.The time has passed when withdrawing 5000 troops would have sent a strong message to Maliki. It is now time for Bush and the GOP to admit their policy in Iraq has failed. The only option is to remove all troops from this quagmire. The surge has not worked. It has made the violence worse. It was a poor policy.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:38 amThe only way to stop the war is to keep yelling the truth: Bush is trying to prolong it for another 18 months so someone else will get blamed for his catastrophe. He doesn’t care how many die so he can try to avoid blame for what he has done. For further comment see my blog
randomabsurdities.wordpress.com
Don’t let him get away with it. Keep yelling the truth.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 am>Jeffersonian Democracy didn’t even work in the US.
> We had to switch to
>Hamiltonian Federalism, which Iraq should do.
We don’t live in a democracy?
We don’t vote for our elected leaders? You crack me up..
I’m not going to waste time debating the definitions of different forms of representative government with you, your arent worth it..
the iraqis will NEVER, EVER pick leaders who are Pro-American. Ever. Not under any form of representative government. We supported Saddam for years because we knew this to be true.
I think its funny watching you idiots try to packpedal from the whole idea of letting iraqis pick their leaders, which was one of your few remaining “talking points†about why this war is so important..
August 24th, 2007 at 2:58 amHe can read the handwritting on the wall which says “get out while you can”,otherwise another Vietnam is a fact waiting to happen.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:22 amHmmmm, not one troll has yet denounced Warner as a “surrender monkey”.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:18 amNo troop withdrawal until victory in Iraq. Period.
And that is how it will be.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 24, 2007 @ 12:32 am
Could you please define “victory” as it applies to Iraq? Right now, because the “mission” keeps changing, it’s quite murky. You would be performing a great public service by clearing this up.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:05 amI got kinda lost after meaningful teeth. I think the gist of Warner’s appeal is that if these folks (the Iraqi parliamentarians) who don’t want us there, don’t get their act together - whatever that means - we’ll leave. The nature of the Warner threat is “If you don’t do what we want you to do, we will do what you want us to do!”
August 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmGreat election year (close enough) politics Sen Warner.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:42 pmWhere have you been for the past 5 years? Pull them out
for political gain, and then accuse the Democrats of trying
to politicize the War. The mission changes each time the
previous excuse fails. The meaning of Victory to the
republicans, is a complete prostrate Iraq, with the Oil Rights
signed away to Western Oil Oligarchs for the next 50 years.,
with Iraq required to use only the Dollar in all transactions.
As if Warner would break wind without permission from the
Whitehouse. Warner’s position hasn’t changed a single
millimeter. Keep the slaughter going until the US is in complete
control of all of the Iraqi oilfields. As it has been since day one.
Army Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the Multi-National Division-Center, was asked to comment on Republican Sen. John Warner’s recommendation that President Bush start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq by Christmas.
Speaking to Pentagon reporters on Friday via teleconference from Iraq, Lynch said, “Only when the Iraqi security forces come forward and say ‘OK, here I am, I’m trained and equipped, I’m ready, I’m the Iraqi Army or I’m the Iraqi police,’ can I turn those sanctuaries over, and that’s not going to happen between now and Christmas.”
August 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmFIX YOUR EFFING SITE TP!
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThe #2 Comment by NoOneYouKnow is an urban legend and is not true. Although it sounds so believable.
Readers here please do not spread this error–no matter how much you hate Bush and Reagan like I do.
Also see #12 Comment by CD: looks like the quote isn’t real.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=6580
August 25th, 2007 at 2:32 pm