Right-Wing Launches Assault Against Warner, Claims He ‘Hurts The Cause Of Freedom’
Right-Wing Launches Assault Against Warner, Claims He ‘Hurts The Cause Of Freedom’
Yesterday, Sen. John Warner (R-VA), a senior and respected member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, called on President Bush to begin a troop withdrawal from Iraq. Warner said Bush should announce in September that a few thousand U.S. troops will return home by the end of the year.
Despite the fact that Warner’s call for withdrawal was very tepid, the Senator came under heavy assault today from the right. The White House, concerned that the media was reporting that Warner had broken with Bush, “reached out to Warner’s staff and asked him” to back away from his position. But Warner would do no such thing:
Warner said Friday he stands by his remarks and that he took no issue with how his views have been characterized.
“I’m not going to issue any clarification,” Warner, R-Va., said in an interview with The Associated Press. “I don’t think any clarification is needed. […]
When asked whether he had indeed split with Bush on Iraq, he declined to say and noted his remarks speak for themselves.
“You have to surmise that on your own,” he said.
Freedom’s Watch — a new White House front group whose mission is to maintain the escalation — attacked Warner. Appearing on PBS Newshour, Freedom’s Watch spokesman Brad Blakeman claimed Warner’s call for redeployment “hurts the cause of freedom.” (Blakeman refused to appear on the program with MoveOn’s Tom Matzzie and was called out for it by host Judy Woodruff. Blakeman comically suggested MoveOn was “not a credible group” like Freedom’s Watch.) Watch it:
Even colleagues of Warner’s took a shot at him. Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) said efforts to pre-empt the September White House report were ”premature and irresponsible.” Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said, ”It’s a little curious to me that people are proposing a change in strategy when in fact the current strategy appears now to be working.”
Additionally, Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch said that embracing Warner’s call of a redeployment before the end of the year would be “a giant step backward.”
UPDATE: Online Newshour has the full transcript.
UPDATE II: This morning on NBC’s Today Show, Bill Kristol said of Warner’s call: “I don’t think that’s based on serious military analysis. “
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oppose the president and you MUST hate America. Call for a reduction in killing and you’re “with the terrorists.” Demand an end to war and you’re part of the cut and run, blame America first crowd.
Or whatever other garbage these people decide to spew.
But, the reality is quite different, isn’t it. It’s those who keep pushing for more war and more killing who are acting with hatred towards everything America should stand for.
They’re willing to throw away everything to quench their thirst for power, profits and war.
Read on if you’d like:
“The America-Haters Strike Again”
August 24th, 2007 at 7:51 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ the_america_haters_strike_again
So PBS went with the wingnuts, and the left was shut out yet again. big surprise.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:54 pmThe nutso branch of the GOP wants to eat the moderate pragmatic wing?
Knock yerselves out, idiots.
Oh, and say goodbye to an electoral majority for the next 20 years.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:55 pm“To announce there must be no criticism of the President, and to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, it is morally treasonous to the American public.â€
– President Theodore Roosevelt
August 24th, 2007 at 7:56 pmMark (#2),
Tom Matzzie did appear on the show later. He appeared solo because Freedom’s Watch refused to go on with him.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:56 pmThis article proves that progtards such as those who frequent this hate-site are absolutely cursed with something called a thin skin. These progressives are so fanatical that they’re actually imagining and falsifying that some harmless-sounding comments by other GOPers, one major general and some WH officials amount to an “assault by the right-wing!” The last time I checked, Maj. Gen. Lynch was not in a political role, so if he chastised Warner’s premature call for some redeployments, he obviously has greater credibility than Warner. Next, this “assault” by the right-wing is nothing but a truth-telling rebuttal to Warner’s comments from yesterday. Only the most anti-war and pro-terrorist progtards on TP would deny the fact that ANY withdrawal will equal an irresponsible change in a policy that’s working. Moreover, Warner’s comments weren’t as dangerous as Demoncrat proposals because Warner only wanted to withdraw 5000 and allow Bush to still set his own policy.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:56 pmNice to see how well the Republicans support the differing opinions of their Party… Such a Big Tent, that all with alternative ideas and opinions are welcome.
BTW, Republicans. Are you sure that your own party is not wiretapping YOU to see what you have to hide?You can be pretty sure they are wiretapping the Dems, what you might not realize, they are wiretapping you just to keep you in line. Welcome to the new AmeriKa.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pmMaybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll form a circular firing squad.
August 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI like the way you think. Is it a natural talent, or are you educated?
August 24th, 2007 at 8:00 pmGuys; Wanna have some fun? Call freedom watch at1-(877)222-8001 or go to their website @ http://www.freedomwatch.org. It is a White House front group posing as a grassroots group asking you to contact Congress not to “cut and run” from Iraq. Tie up their phone lines and web site. Tell them you support the terrorists in trying to free their country from foreign invaders. Have fun. (:-D)
August 24th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThe Iraqi Govt. has made NO substantial progress towards a Political Solution.
The American military has been unable to find a solution to the IED”S, which are cheap , deadly, and made form the 500 MILLION TONS of explosives left unguarded and looted after Sadaam was toppled.
The Military can NOT sustain the surge, due to lack of volunteers for the military, regardless of Republican Rhetoric.
The Republican strategy : Claim that America is turning the corner, making “Modest Security Gains” and the democrats are trying to pull the rug out from under Bush just as we are starting to win in Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThis is the exact same strategy they used after the Viet Nam War…. Turn an unmittigated foreign policy disaster into a political windfall.
Cannibalism is not a positive sign for GOP unity.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by TPprogressivesturnedmetowardsconservatism — August 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
Everything in your post is insane and inane including your moniker.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pm#6 Troll unhinged. Really, really weird stuff.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:13 pmAt least some journamalists find the Prez’ revisionist take on history “interesting” and “brave”:
http://www.economist.com/ world/ na/ displaystory.cfm?story_id=9706736
GEORGE BUSH elicited predictable howls of outrage this week when he drew parallels between the catastrophes in Indochina (re-education camps, boat people and the killing fields) that followed America’s withdrawal from Vietnam after 1973 and what might happen in Iraq if American troops were abruptly pulled out—something that he has promised will not happen on his watch, but which all of the Democratic presidential contenders and the congressional leadership are committed to bringing about.
John Kerry, who served with the navy in Vietnam while Mr Bush served with the Air National Guard in Texas, and who was defeated by Mr Bush in 2004, called the comparison irresponsible and ignorant. In fact, it was rather brave and rather interesting.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:13 pmFreedom watch, phony bought and paid for shill organization afraid to appear with legitimate grass roots (we the people) organization, Moveon. Talk about cut and run….GOP nothing but a bunch of wimps, elitists and spoiled trust funders.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:13 pmkill! kill! kill! is a strategy?
August 24th, 2007 at 8:14 pmAttacking John Warner really signals the end for the GOP. The party is coming completely unglued. There will be a viscious intra-party backlash soon, and when it happens the circle protecting Bush will lose its grip. After that it is only a matter of time before the indictments begin to flow.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThis presumably the same Brad Blakeman who served as lead advance man for the Bush-Cheney 2000 Presidential campaign.
I wonder, how much credibilty does a bootlicking gasbag like that have with the troops?
August 24th, 2007 at 8:19 pm“So PBS went with the wingnuts, and the left was shut out yet again. big surprise.
Comment by Mark Centz”
Well, at least the interviewer called him on it. That’s more than most would do. You have to look upon these people with wonder. This guy thinks his outfit is “credible” but move-on isn’t. Anyone want to bet how many more people move-on.org represents than his outfit? I’d be willing to bet that there are a lot more move-on supporters than there are “Freedom Watch” supporters. I’d be willing to bet that the supporters of “Freedom Watch” consist solely of the Bush Crime Family.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:19 pmThis is quite interesting, watching the Repugs attack each other like a bunch of Piranhas in a feeding frenzy.
Too bad it has taken 4 years of BushCo BS to kill and maim 0ver 3700 brave men and women while they sit in their big chairs on their fat chickenhawk white asses making millions in war profiteering.
Any other time in our history and we would have 100s of war crime trials going on.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“I like the way you think. Is it a natural talent, or are you educated?
Comment by Marcus Aurelius”
I like the way he posts, with the long moniker and one big paragraph. It makes it very easy to skip his posts. I can’t imagine that anyone bothers to read him after the first time they read one of his posts.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:21 pmFirst they call it a freedom operation for the poor oppressed Iraqis then two seconds later its a war against the caliphate!
Talk about your mixed signals, no wonder they are coming unglued, people don’t know wtf is going on.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:22 pm“Guys; Wanna have some fun? Call freedom watch at1-(877)222-8001 or go to their website @ http://www.freedomwatch.org. ”
August 24th, 2007 at 8:24 pmI think that maybe they are under attack. I went there and timed out. Woo Hoo, score one for us evil libtards.
Where are the Trolls?
August 24th, 2007 at 8:24 pmHmm, Dems won’t debate on Fox & the Reps say they’re cowards. Freedom’s Watch won’t debate/appear with Moveon and they’re victors. Strange logic. Hardly the fair & balanced type of thinking I’ve come to expect from the right.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:24 pmWhere are the Trolls?
They heard Foley was having a victory party tonight so they’re home getting into their schoolboy unis & applying lipstick to their asses.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:26 pmThe only Freedom there is to Watch in Iraq is the Freedom to get the H*ll out of there if you have the Means.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmWhere are the Trolls?
Gettin’ a diaper change.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmFrom the absurd video: “Why prejudge what he’s going to say on Sept. 11th”
So, Political Patraeus is going to deliver the White House’s report on 9/11? These sacks of shite have no shame.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmThat’s what I suspected.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:28 pmThese war advocates keep saying:”.Just give us more time…and more check$ also,and victory is near”.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pmAfter over 5 years,billions of dollars spent, thousands killed and injured..the Iraqi government still cannot stand on its own feet,yet the word of ‘progress’ is marketed again for the purpose of getting more time and money.
In fact, it was rather brave and rather interesting.
Comment by Troll Hater
Yeh admitting Iraq is a quagmire like Vietnam is a pretty brave and interesting thing for a (R) to do.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:30 pmFreedomwatch is nothing but GOP propaganda operatives. Attack one of the few GOP with the small bit of sense to see a lost cause and the courage to speak so to the public. The GOP bubble of BS is beginning to rupture. They will not contain the truth much longer. There will be a rude awakening in this country.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:32 pm“Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said, â€It’s a little curious to me that people are proposing a change in strategy when in fact the current strategy appears now to be working.â€
You really have to wonder if these people really believe the crap that they come up with. The NIE basically says that there is no way that the escalation can help. Even if they were able to quell all the violence in one part of Iraq, how long could it possibly last? And when they lie and say that the escalation has helped in Anbar, please be sure to remind them that there are no escalation troops in Anbar.
I find Hillary very disappointing when she said that the escalation was working in Anbar. Didn’t she know that there were no escalation troops there? And if she didn’t know, why not. That’s not very presidential to be so ill informed.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:33 pmGettin’ a diaper change.
Comment by Arthur C.
Actually we had just one AB troll with Sybil derangement syndrome.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:34 pmbilbogaggins; I must have called them some 20 times today- telling them that like Reagan’s adopt-a-Contra program, there should be an adopt-a-terrorist program(same difference). Or that we should leave Baghdad just like we left Saigon. Tell them that the terrorists are trying to free their country from foreign invaders(us).
August 24th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI wonder what Warner’s next move will be.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:39 pmWarner will probably cave, and it wasn’t as if he made any real committment to to the right thing. While there are many republicans who have mouthed the right words, they like the democrats have failed to do the right thing. Politics as usual, they only worry about their own hides and not those of the soldiers who die for them.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:41 pm“I wonder what Warner’s next move will be.”
Probably quietly fall back into line with the GOP masters. Surprised he spoke out of line at all. Maybe he is tired of trying to wash the blood from his hands.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmI wonder what Warner’s next move will be.
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
My bet is that after 29 years in the Senate, he will announce that he will not seek reelection. We’ll see if I’m right.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmThe only straegy that looks successful is the media fairytail acceptence which contradicts the truth.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:43 pmIf that’s not clear enough: this new fw org sells lies.
How would reasonable people with any brain cells working accept statements from a group established for the single purpose of continuing insanity?
How did fw org even enter in the discussion?
Why does this fw org get any attention?
When a dog makes a steamy mess on your lawn do all your neighbors come ove to stand around it and gossip about the look, feel and stink??
No.So what is the attraction here?
> Reagan’s adopt-a-Contra program
There was such a thing?
“To fight back World Communism, adapt your little Killer Contra today!”
August 24th, 2007 at 8:45 pmI was always told, “If you step in a dog pile, it’s best to keep stepping. It does no good to fall down and roll around”. It’s way past time that we stepped out of Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI hope Warner is true to his word and this is not some re-election agitprop.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:48 pmTroll Hater; You bet your sweet ass there REALLY was such a program. Read about the Boland Amendment passed by Congress which cut off funding for the Nicaraguan Contras who were trying to overthrow the Sandinista government of Manual Ortega in Nicaragua in the 1980s.
To get around the Boland Amendment, Reagan set up a source of private funding by citizens to donate money, etc to the Contras as well as the trade weapons for hostages to Iran & send the money to the Contras(the Iran-Contra scandal) headed by John Poindexter and Oliver North.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:52 pmMr. Death Squad Negreponte was also involved, I believe.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pmjb; You are 100% correct, John-boy was in it up to his beady little eyeballs.
August 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pmWarner getting smeared? Saw that one coming.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:02 pmHiya Zooey; glad you made it. What college are you attending? My alma mater is Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. (in the lower peninsula-west side of the state-about 60 miles North of Grand Rapids).
August 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pmHi, Uncle Ho.
I’m going to the University of Idaho in Moscow, ID. Most liberal town in the northern part of the state!!
August 24th, 2007 at 9:12 pmWarner’s become a cautionary tale…either by accident or by design.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:20 pmI find Hillary very disappointing when she said that the escalation was working in Anbar. Didn’t she know that there were no escalation troops there? And if she didn’t know, why not. That’s not very presidential to be so ill informed.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 24, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think she said the escalation was working. I believe she said that the change in tactics was working……
Not being disrespectful, but isn’t there a difference?
August 24th, 2007 at 9:31 pmWatch out all you GOP….speak the truth like I just tried to do and you will get blasted by the GOP propaganda machine….OK the press plays along, but the public is catching on to these tricks…lets hope he keeps talking.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:33 pmComment by redstateblueheart — August 24, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
You’re right–I think that MediaMatters had something about the way Senator Clinton’s comment was “framed” by the right-wing-noise-machine” to make it appear that she said that the “surge” was working, when she actually did say “change in tactics.”
August 24th, 2007 at 9:43 pmooops. my bad- link should be http://www.freedomswatch.org taunt them
tie up their phone line at 1(877)222-8001 .. enjoy (;-D)
August 24th, 2007 at 9:43 pmI’m sure it is an oversight that we have not seen a TP story of Democrat Congressman Brian Baird who calls for the troops to stay because the surge is working.
I will wait a little longer.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pmAnyone who has voted with Bush that consistently has hurt the cause of freedom, the Warner bashers are not wrong, they just don’t realize why they are right.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI’m sure it is an oversight that we have not seen a TP story of Democrat Congressman Brian Baird who calls for the troops to stay because the surge is working.
Comment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
It’s about time we had a little oversight.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI’m sure it is an oversight that we have not seen a TP story of Democrat Congressman Brian Baird who calls for the troops to stay because the surge is working.
Give ‘em a chance to put together a nice presentation, Frank. Running a blog can be hard sometimes.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“It’s a little curious to me that people are proposing a change in strategy when in fact the current strategy appears now to be working.â€
Even Senator Cornyn, Republican robot that he is, couldn’t bring himself to say “is working”. Yes Senator, let’s invest at least another thousand lives in what appears to be working. Now that we are arming both sides in the civil war, victory can’t be far off.
“The current strategy appears to be working”. Wow, that’s great.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:48 pmThen there is the moonbat outrage at Democrats Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack, military analysts at Washington’s liberal Brookings Institute for daring to go counter to moonbat orthodoxy.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:49 pmGive ‘em a chance to put together a nice presentation, Frank. Running a blog can be hard sometimes.
We’ve given you a chance to come up with a coherent thought & all we get are bleats & snorts.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pmConsidering that the Right wing is made up of liars, superstitionists, and pedophiles - it’s no surprise when the act politically.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pmRunning a blog can be hard sometimes.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
But it makes you feel like a big man.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI am tired of getting lectured by some asswipe, George W. Bush, who is literally learning historical facts in the speeches that were written for him.
This clown spent the most of his life drunk, stoned or blowing other peoples’ money. Now he is H.G. Wells or Plato or some other great mind.
Not.
Get back to reading The Pet Goat.
-GSD
August 24th, 2007 at 9:55 pmFrom friend to foe in one interview? Wow, didn’t you just know he would be swift-boated?
The Bush administrative is nothing if not predictable and uni-dimensional.
August 24th, 2007 at 9:58 pmMore from Congressman Baird:
Our soldiers are reclaiming ground and capturing or killing high-priority targets on a daily basis. Sheiks and tribal groups are uniting to fight against the extremists and have virtually eliminated al-Qaida from certain areas. The Iraqi military and police are making progress in their training, taking more responsibility for bringing the fight to the insurgents and realizing important victories. Businesses and factories that were once closed are being reopened and people are working again. The infrastructure is gradually being repaired and markets are returning to life.
Without question, these gains are still precarious and there are very real and troubling problems with the current Iraqi political regime and parliament at the national level.
The Iraqis are addressing these problems along with our own State Department but these issues will not easily be resolved and could, if not solved, throw the success of the entire endeavor into jeopardy.
Those problems notwithstanding, to walk away now from the recent gains would be to lose all the progress that has been purchased at such a dear price in lives and dollars. As one soldier said to me, “We have lost so many good people and invested so much, It just doesn’t make sense to quit now when we’re finally making progress. I want to go home as much as anyone else, but I want this mission to succeed and I’m willing to do what it takes. I just want to know the people back home know we’re making progress and support us.â€
August 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pmFrank, we’ve lost the war. Its time to bring the Troops home. Get over it.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:04 pmHarry Reid is here.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:04 pmFrank, we’ve lost the war. Its time to bring the Troops home. Get over it.
Comment by Jim Wolf359 — August 24, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Harry Reid is here.
Comment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
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Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
Hey, darling.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:11 pmI am tired of getting lectured by some asswipe, George W. Bush, who is literally learning historical facts in the speeches that were written for him.
I know. I really hate hearing him talk. It is painful. He makes a simple statement (as in talking to a grade school), and then he breaks that down into even simpler ‘clarifying’ statements - like maybe he is using too big of words. Who writes his speeches anyway..?
August 24th, 2007 at 10:13 pmSometimes the only way out of quicksand is a step backwards. Unless of course you’re intent on suicide.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmI just want to know the people back home know we’re making progress and support us.â€
Comment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
All this means is that adults are finally realizing they have to step in and clean up the Toy Emperor’s mess for him.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmG*d damn it. If a few words spoken by anyone against this war is enough to hurt the cause of freedom, then this pussy of a country isn’t worth saving.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pmWho writes his speeches anyway..?
Comment by JG — August 24, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
Probably the same writers that wrote Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood on PBS.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:32 pmthen this pussy of a country isn’t worth saving.
Comment by WC — August 24, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
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If you don’t like it, YOU CAN GET OUT!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 10:33 pmOf course the smearandfear campaign attacks Warner. They are SOOOOOOOOOOO AFEEEEEEEEEEERED of anything that challenges their war profiteering machine.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:35 pmComment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Yes, and George W. “F*ck up” Bush himself could have won this “war” early on had he listened to people like Shinseki. But Bush didn’t want to win the war…he wanted to draw it out so that his buddies could make billions in profits on no-bid contracts, plus the “war” would pretty much guarantee him a second term should he f*ck up anything else during his first term.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:36 pmIf you don’t like it, YOU CAN GET OUT!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Didn’t say I didn’t like it. The point is, if this country and the people in it are so damned weak that the “war” supporters think freedom will be damaged if someone speaks out against the “war,” then this country is in pretty damned bad shape.
As a matter of fact, the same goes for these ignorant fools who think burning a few hundred American flags (if that many) in public over the course of 100 years is going to destroy America and all it stands for. If burning these relatively few flags is going to destroy us and we cannot survive it, as flag-burning amendment proponents would have us believe, then we are a pussy of a country. It doesn’t get much simpler than that.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pm‘Hurts The Cause Of Freedom’ What freedom? Whose freedom… you mean GE. the Carlyle group and others profiteering from this invasion/massacre/occupation the thugs like to call war?
August 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pmComment by had enough — August 24, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
It’s more of the same “Oh dear! You are emboldening the terrorists!” bullsh*t.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:46 pmIf you don’t like it, YOU CAN GET OUT!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Better idea…YOU get out. We don’t need the likes of you, who support invading any country that is not a threat to us; who supports a President and VP who want unlimited, unchecked, unsupervised power to do whatever the hell they want to do, to whomever the hell they want to, which is in direct violation of the Constitution.
August 24th, 2007 at 10:49 pmGuys, I think Makarios doesn’t need to get out–he just needs to get his gung-ho, pro-war butt over to the frontlines so some poor serviceman can come home for some well-deserved rest (that the effin’ chickenhawks-in-command don’t think is needed, unless their last name is Bush or Cheney).
August 24th, 2007 at 11:05 pmDeep.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:09 pmLOL the far-right GOPers eat their own now.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pmLet’s see. Add 30,000 troops for the so-called “surge” and then “courageously” call for 5,000 of them to be returned home by the end of the year (that is, if Chimpy feels like it). What a man!
A parallel story might proceed as follows…
The crime boss who employs me decides that he wants me to take $30,000 from you without your permission and against your wishes. I come out several months later, and suggest that perhaps the crime boss, if and when he might feel like it, could rebate you $5,000 of the $30,000 that was taken from you (or rather, the amount was added to your credit card balance). Wouldn’t you feel grateful?
If you’re one of those who’d give thanks, there are millions of telemarketers who’d give their right arm for your address and phone number.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:11 pmWho writes his speeches anyway..?
Comment by JG — August 24, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
Probably the same writers that wrote Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood on PBS.
Comment by WC — August 24, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
You sure about that? I remember Mr Rogers, and I don’t remember him saying anything like, “Can you say ‘Islamic Fundamentalist’? I knew that you could.” :)
August 24th, 2007 at 11:20 pmThe crime boss who employs me decides that he wants me to take $30,000 from you without your permission and against your wishes. I come out several months later, and suggest that perhaps the crime boss, if and when he might feel like it, could rebate you $5,000 of the $30,000 that was taken from you (or rather, the amount was added to your credit card balance). Wouldn’t you feel grateful?
Excellent definition of the failed liberal welfare state. Congrats.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI’m really tired of getting nulled and my comments not appearing. I’ll look in from time to time to see if this site ever works properly again.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:26 pmAssuming that Al Qaeda actually exists, the United States is most likely providing them with the best of both worlds — 1) a safe, protected sanctuary for recruiting and training with the boundaries of a country claimed to be an ally of the U. S. (i.e., Pakistan) and 2) a live theatre where some of their trainees can become battle hardened, learning everything there is to know about this country’s most advanced weapons systems, and periodically taking this information back to their training grounds.
Again, assuming that Al Qaeda actually exists, the aforementioned conditions literally ensure that, should they decide to attack this country, whenever and wherever that might be, they will be extremely well prepared.
Think the Neocons would be disappointed if such an attack occurred? Think again. Try checking some of the recent stories about the Chair of the Arkansas Republican Party and the deposed Rick Santorum wishing for September 11th, Part 2.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI will wait a little longer.
Comment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
why would TP want to give any credence to a rank opportunist and uninformed clown like Baird? He’s entitled to his opinion, wrong as it is, and TP is entitled to ignore him, like we are entitled to call you an idiot and a coward.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:46 pmI’m really tired of getting nulled and my comments not appearing. I’ll look in from time to time to see if this site ever works properly again.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 24, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
Same here. Last week I downloaded Firefox to this relatively new laptop, and posts seemed to work much better; at least I could again use the HTML buttons at the top of the comments section. But during the last couple of days, it’s gotten crappy again.
Are you cruising and/or posting on any other blogs in the meantime?
August 24th, 2007 at 11:47 pmDeep.
Comment by Frank J — August 24, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
yes, Frank, the shit you’re standing in is deep. In fact, you appear to have swallowed quite a bit of it, from the crap you’re puking up on this blog. it’s nice that you compared Bush and his war to the Mafia, though. That was a smart move.
idiot.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:51 pmYou sure about that? I remember Mr Rogers, and I don’t remember him saying anything like, “Can you say ‘Islamic Fundamentalist’? I knew that you could.†:)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — August 24, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
OK…I take it back. The writers on MRN wouldn’t stoop so low as to write for Bush, I think. But it did seem fitting seeing as how Bush, most of the time, speaks like he is talking to a bunch of children, as mentioned earlier by JG as well.
Oh, and your comment reminded me of Eddie Murphy doing “Mr. Robinson’s Neighborhood” on SNL. Some really good comedy.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:52 pmOh it is so much fun watching the thugs of the crime family eating their own…and it going to get better!
August 24th, 2007 at 11:55 pm#89 — The money figures were offered for the purposes of providing an understandable analogy.
To be more concrete, perhaps you could consider this scenario. You have six sons, all of whom you love dearly. Your government decides to invade a country which posed no threat toward us, but proceeded with an expensive, bloody pre-emptive war. Your government decides to take all six of your sons to serve in the battlefront during an augmentation of this conflict for which there is no discernable end in sight (unless the endgame is bludgeoning the Iraqis into turning over their oil resources to the multinational oil companies which rob us blind and continue to bankroll those who are currently in power).
After several months, someone suggests that perhaps, if the country’s dictator feels like it, they might be able to send one of your children home by the end of the year, you should be feeling grateful–and judging by your response, perhaps you might be one of those people.
If you truly hate living in a country that taxes its people, you might want to take a serious look at Saudi Arabia. From the Heritage Foundation’s website, “Saudi Arabia has high levels of fiscal freedom, labor freedom, property rights, and monetary freedom. Except for a mandatory Islamic 2.5 percent Zakat charitable contribution, the government imposes no taxes on personal or corporate income. Saudi Arabia’s labor market is flexible, as the government imposes few costs on employing or firing workers. Inflation is less than 1 percent, and the government maintains no direct price supports.†Under a system like that, the quality of life would have to be light years better than it is, or ever will be in this country, do you think?
August 24th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI know. I really hate hearing him talk. It is painful. He makes a simple statement (as in talking to a grade school), and then he breaks that down into even simpler ‘clarifying’ statements - like maybe he is using too big of words. Who writes his speeches anyway..?
Comment by JG — August 24, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
My bet is on Laura the Librarian or Barney. Maybe a dual collaboration effort.
August 25th, 2007 at 12:11 amSorry, Johnnie, but it’s your party….
August 25th, 2007 at 12:20 amSorry, Johnnie, but it’s your party….
Comment by Adam Selene — August 25, 2007 @ 12:20 am
and he’ll cry if he wants to, cry if he wants to…
August 25th, 2007 at 12:28 amI say let republicans brutally attack anyone who opposes the war. L:et them spew their rage & hate. The majority of American voters are anti-war and want the troops home. If the GOP wants to further alienate voters, I say more power to them!
They are the ones who stupidly think they’ll have different results in 08 with a platform that lost them 06. They are digging their own graves. Why obstruct it?
Everything they say or do ensures President Hillary next year.
August 25th, 2007 at 12:46 am“Prejudge what Petraus says on September 11th” September 11th, September 11th, 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th, September 11th … God how they LOVE September 11th.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:06 amOne white house official said “we envision a robust troop presence past this Pres.” Unending war. Thanks alot you freakin spineless Dems that got elected on a platform of change and the only change in your eight full months in power is that there are more troops in Iraq than before. Nice job cowards. Impeach BUsh and Cheney or kiss the democracy that is on life support goodbye.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:39 amSen. John Warner can take it; this is the guy that wingnuts tried to boot out of office after he refused to endorse felon Ollie North.
The more the batwings attack their own, the more they’re gonna piss them off.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:22 amGood morning TP!
I just got home and have only skimmed the comments but I haven’t seen a mention that they finally got Tom Matzzie on.
Here’s the odd thing. I was in St. Paul Mn. all afternoon/evening. There were no thunderstorms to interrupt Tom’s interview. Curious huh?
August 25th, 2007 at 2:46 amThe more the batwings attack their own, the more they’re gonna piss them off.
Comment by Mimi Schaeffer — August 25, 2007 @ 2:22 am
It is satisfying to watch them “eat their own” isn’t it?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:02 amPathetic that PBS allowed Brad Blakeman to dictate the interview format.
Mattzie spent 1/2 of his time defending against whatever Blakeman felt like throwing out there.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:34 amThe only credible option left is to withdraw troops. Staying in Iraq will further involve us in a quagmire. Warner is right to suggest withdrawal. The escalation has hurt our troops, suicide rates are up. PTSD rates are up even though they are underreported. Getting out of Iraq will further the “cause of freedom”. Staying there will hurt it.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:31 amYou’re ready to buy whatever the idiot left is selling.
Congratulations, Probus. You’re a grade A a$$fuker!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:40 amIraq is Bush’s Vietnam, he should start caring about our tired troops and bring them home. He can no longer win this war.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:45 amBush will bring the troops home when the War is over, Probus. Anything less would be a sign of cowardice.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:46 amBush is a coward because he can’t admit that he has given America its second loss in war.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:48 amBush is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!!
He has gone after terrorists and murdered members of Alkaida!!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:50 amBush failed to catch bin Laden at Tora Bora. We are less safe because of it.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:53 amClinton had the chance to prevent 911, but he failed because he was getting a blow job!!!
Clinton caused 911!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:55 amBush failed to prevent 9-11. He read to children for 7 minutes as Americans died.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:59 amIf Clinton would have killed OBL when he had the chance the would never have been an attack on 911, when Bush was reading to the kids, it was already too late. Clinton had already failed.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:00 amBush failed as president on 9-11 because he was too focused on Iraq.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:02 amBush was hunting terrorists and alkaida in Afganistan and Pakistan before he even went into Iraq!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 6:04 amBin Laden is still a threat to us. Bush failed to catch him.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:07 amBush is hunting terrorists and alkaida as we speak!!!!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 6:09 amAll Bush cares about is protecting the oil fields. Finding bin Laden was never a priority.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:38 amThe Right must be exhausted from “launching attacks” on everybody. Don’t the poor sods notice they’re attacking pretty much the whole world by now?
August 25th, 2007 at 7:50 amFrank keep cut n pasting your triumphant story about Baird all you want..
hes one guy, who was there like,,,,what? 10 days? did he get to see how the iraqi governmetn is run by iranian backed shia?
honestly someone is probably bribing him to have a sudden change of heart.
im still waiting for any of you fools to answer my question.. if iraq democratically transforms into an islamic theocracy, allies itself with iran and syria, and support groups like hezbollah and hamas with their tax dollars, would you consider that a “victory”?
August 25th, 2007 at 8:18 amBin Laden is probably sitting poolside at the family mans in Saudi Arabia. 80% of the hijackers of 9-11 were Saudi. Immediately after, 20,000 of our troops there were shown the door. Voinovich, Ohio’s GoP senator, a party loyalist if there ever was is breaking ranks. Hard to say if it is because he loves his country more than he can stomach this little turd that is destroying his party or if he is in fear of his senate seat. We pretentious hillbillys here in Ohio are catching on. We threw out our silver spoon, do-nothing governor and put a working man in the office. Sooner or later a few of you trolls are just going to have to love your country more than you hate being wrong. This isn’t football; your team didn’t win the superbowl. Everyone lost, some more than others. Check out the story over on MSN about what happens to whistle-blowers on war profiteers. Guess when you’re making stacks, n stacks, n stacks it just doesn’t matter how many of somebody elses limbs get blown off.
August 25th, 2007 at 8:39 amWarner is a nitwit, probably in initial stages of Alzheimers. Wittingly or not, he IS hurting the cause of freedom and democracy. I applaud Mr. Blakemen and his organization of patriotic Americans and he is perfectly justified in refusing to appear along with someone from moveon. PBS, a taxpayer-funded organization, should be condemned in the harshest possible terms for giving a platform for domestic enablers of our terrorist enemies to spew their venom.
August 25th, 2007 at 8:45 amPBS is not Pravda, yet. Not for lack of trying. PBS belongs to ALL taxpayers, it should be fair and balanced. NO! I mean REALLY, REALLY fair and balanced. Remember the good old days when good old fashioned republicans stood for balanced budgets, fiscal conservatism? When the end all and be all was not weasling out of paying your fair share of taxes and keeping your kid from serving in the service? When Bob Dole thought ONE divorce disqualified him for higher office? When America was considered the beacon of hope and freedom around the world? When our President and First Lady blew the French away with their class act? When sexual deviancy (premarital sex!!!!) was for us dirty hippies? Oh, the times they are a’changing!!
August 25th, 2007 at 9:00 amBlakeman had the nerve to compare his brand-new White House front group with the well established MoveOn (3.4 million members) and would not appear with Matzzie on NewsHour.
On the same show, Mark Shields hit the nail on the head. He warned that the White House’s “Freedom Watch” group and other supporters of Bush’s War know that there is no hope for victory in Iraq, but they will try to convince gullible Americans that the “cut and run” Democrats, the “liberals,” the anti-war groups, MoveOn, etc. are to blame for the disaster in Iraq.
We have no more troops and Shields is right — we will be forced to withdraw from Iraq. Do not let Blakeman spin his tale that the defeat in Iraq is our fault. Be ready for this charge from the White House.
August 25th, 2007 at 9:09 amIf you want to know what Petraeus is going to say in Sept just look at the BS he was spreading in 2005.
http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2007/ 07/ 19/ petraeus/ index.html
August 25th, 2007 at 9:24 amInteresting how the GOP behaves like a cult when dealing with members who contradict the gospel.
August 25th, 2007 at 9:53 amWe’ve seen this dog & pony show before. Warner acts really concerned. Wants to withdrawal (drum roll) 5,000 troops over five months. Leaving over 300,000 troops and contractor in Iraq. Over the next few weeks, he will become convinced this precipitous withdrawal is dangerous and will rubber stamp whatever Bush wants. In short he pretends to offer serious oversight and then approves of whatever Bush wants done.
Americans can then rest easy that the situation was seriously considered and the best option decided on. But of course in the back rooms the deal has already been struck to stay until Iraq sign the hydrocarbon law, turning over control of their oil the US petro industries.
And of course Republican can hit the talk shows explaining why it is so important to stay and Warner can pretend he is opposed but comes around and argues for staying on the senate floor.
August 25th, 2007 at 10:47 amBush will bring the troops home when the War is over, Probus. Anything less would be a sign of cowardice.
Comment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 5:46 am
Yet he (and Powell, and Bremer) said that we’d leave Iraq if the Iraqi government asked us to go. But when a Democrat or anti-war person asks Bush to bring the troops home? Oh…only the generals on the ground will make that decision. Bush is a g*d damned hypocrite and you know it.
Tell us, Makarios, when the “war” will be over? Bush says that the war on terror cannot be won like a conventional war can be won. “There won’t be any signing ceremonies” he said, like the one marking the surrender of Japan in WWII. Will the world have won the “war” on terror when all the terrorists have been killed? With new generations of terrorists being bred every day, you think that will ever happen?
August 25th, 2007 at 10:56 amFreedom Watch is more than likely, just like the Freedom Alliance/Wounded Veterans scam, Hannity is running on concerts he puts on across the country!
August 25th, 2007 at 11:10 amTop heavy in salaries,expenses, etc….. with a few pennies on the dollar thrown to the Wounded Vets themselves!
Google: “Hannity, concert scams,” read any of them from Daily Kos, or Newshounds! You’ll get the idea then!
Jesus H Christ, Bush’s administration becomes more like Earth Dome in the old Babylon 5 series with every passing week. This “Freedom” Watch is just like the Night Watch in that series, willing to beat up anybody who disagrees with the policies of the high command. Our so-called “free” press’s willingness to go along with these people unquestioningly depresses me even more. The media has become a “free pass” for this administration.
August 25th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by aus — August 25, 2007 @ 9:53 am
“Interesting how the GOP behaves like a cult when dealing with members who contradict the gospel.”
It’s a cult of personality, the way Stalin, Mao, and Hitler had their own worshipful followers. It seems that the extreme right wing owes their allegiance to George W. Bush and his demented policies instead of to the United States. If anyone dares to question Bush, even previously loyal Republicans, they get strongly condemned as being anti-American. However, what they really are is anti-Bush. The extreme Bushites should just call themselves Bushicans and rename the country to which they give their allegiance as the United States of Bushica. Let them wave a Bush flag with Bush’s charming simian likeness on it. These people are for protecting Bush and his enormous childish ego and not the United States or anything it stands for.
August 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pmGIVE US FREEDOM FRIES, OR GIVE US DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pmIt was stuff like moveon’s “call up the swing state voters” program that got the Dem majorities in, which is the backdrop to why Warner feels like he has the political cover to tepidly change, and Smith, Collins, etc. I think that flak dude’s attitude towards moveon is really irrelevant.. be my guest and dismiss them. Just watch out that the avalanche doesn’t hit you in the ass.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:28 pma google search shows no such assault? is this another made up “assault”?
August 25th, 2007 at 6:33 pmhmmm, checked excite, yahoo, and msn. still nothing
August 25th, 2007 at 6:41 pmTo those still worry about Clinton’s blowjob grow up! The simple facts are Bush hurt this country more than Bill Clinton or Al Qaeda has ever done. When a man cannot express his opinion without being called a traitor then this country is no longer the country our founding fathers fought and die for.
August 25th, 2007 at 7:23 pmterry, so much bs. grow up, oh and u may want to get a job
August 25th, 2007 at 7:50 pmYou really don’t understand what is going on do you?? You must be younger and fed all this liberal crap in high shool and college (?). The GOP has notyhing to do with this.. It is a private organization with no ties to the government to counteract all the lies and garbage that the left wing media have been spewing for years. It is about time that an great organization such as this was created.
We are there now, no matter how you feel, and we cannot cut and run leaving the job undone! When nations do that they are following in the footsteps of the French who get into situations, and then pick up and leave when the going gets tough!
It is necessary to stay the course in Iraq, and get the Saudis, Dubai, Dahran,Oman and the small nations to erradicate the fanatics. Whern it is safe to do so, yes, our guys will be coming home, but until they do we stay. To cut and run now would be an insult to all the brave Americans who died over there.
If you don’t like US policies, then go somewhere else.!!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThis article proves that progtards such as those who frequent this hate-site are absolutely cursed with something called a thin skin. These progressives are so fanatical that they’re actually imagining and falsifying that some harmless-sounding comments by other GOPers, one major general and some WH officials amount to an “assault by the right-wing!†The last time I checked, Maj. Gen. Lynch was not in a political role, so if he chastised Warner’s premature call for some redeployments, he obviously has greater credibility than Warner. Next, this “assault†by the right-wing is nothing but a truth-telling rebuttal to Warner’s comments from yesterday. Only the most anti-war and pro-terrorist progtards on TP would deny the fact that ANY withdrawal will equal an irresponsible change in a policy that’s working. Moreover, Warner’s comments weren’t as dangerous as Demoncrat proposals because Warner only wanted to withdraw 5000 and allow Bush to still set his own policy.
Comment by TPprogressivesturnedmetowardsconservatism — August 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
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Plus, all Warner said, in referrence to the legislation was:
“I’m going to have to evaluate it, I don’t say that as a threat. I say that as an option we’ll all have to consider.”
He’s not necessarily calling for a withdrawal at all.
August 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pmComment by Jonathan — August 26, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
August 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmWhat a fool you are..sycophants of the right unite in a grand miasma of ignorance, while our country is stolen from all of us by a group of people who care not a whit about you.
Are you freakin fascists on the insane left that blind to the dangers that leaving Iraq now would entail? All you useless hippy pieces of shit obviously don’t know how read, and I can’t blame you as you’ve been steeping in your own bullshit so long it must be hard to see out of it. BOTH parties are useless and un-American, but at least the GOP actually cares about the survival of America! Follow your hypocritical peace loving terrorist backing traitors like Obama or Edwards into power and watch what happens. Best advice would be to buy as many guns as possible, that will be the only defense against the suicide bombers in our schools & shopping malls. Oh no, wait, I forgot, you liberal idiots think we can make peace with them, just sit down and have a heart-to-heart and maybe they will stop. So kudos to the liberal left for trying to run up the surrender flag AGAIN. Luckily, those of us out here in “fly-over country” will fight you as long as it takes to keep you from your fascist goal of America’s destruction. Keep telling yourself everything will get better if we abandon Iraq, I almost wish I could see your faces when you realize how wrong you all really were. Luckily mainstream America takes you registered with the dumb-o-crats as the fascist terrorists you are and you guys will soon be an afterthought of history. Enjoy your “majoirty” while you can. Funny how the poll numbers of Chairman Pelosi and Comrade Reid are lower than GWB’s…
August 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pmFreedom’s Watch — a new White House front group
“a new White House front group” ???
(Blakeman refused to appear on the program with MoveOn’s Tom Matzzie
” a known left wing liberal FRONT group”
host Judy Woodruff
September 4th, 2007 at 9:52 pm” a known left wing liberal FRONT host”
Bush doesn’t want to go out as the worst president this country ever had, but is true. Let’s end this war now. America wants this war stopped.
Disabled American Veteran
September 5th, 2007 at 7:34 pm