White House Moving The Goal Posts On Escalation, Drops Demands For Iraqi Political Reconciliation
White House Moving The Goal Posts On Escalation, Drops Demands For Iraqi Political Reconciliation
When President Bush announced the escalation on January 10, 2007, he claimed the purpose of adding more troops into Iraq’s civil war was to enable political reconciliation:
When this happens, daily life will improve, Iraqis will gain confidence in their leaders, and the government will have the breathing space it needs to make progress in other critical areas. Most of Iraq’s Sunni and Shia want to live together in peace — and reducing the violence in Baghdad will help make reconciliation possible.
More than seven months later, the Bush’s predictions have flopped. Political reconciliation has not occurred, and its prospects look bleak. As a result, the White House is now in the process of moving the goal posts, dropping its prior demands that Iraqi leaders meet certain political benchmarks in order to sustain the escalation.
In a press briefing today, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe disingenuously claimed that the purpose of the surge was simply “to help bring security to Iraq”:
QUESTION: Is it still administration policy that the U.S. commitment in Iraq is not open-ended?
JOHNDROE: I think the president has made it clear that he would eventually like to see the United States in a different configuration in Iraq. There’s no doubt about that. The surge was designed, as we have said repeatedly, to help bring security to Iraq.
That’s not what the White House was saying back in January. Tony Snow, discussing the purpose of the escalation, said it was to achieve the “important business of political reconciliation“:
Surge is not a term I’ve ever used. But the point is you’re trying to add strength to the forces in Iraq so that they’re going to be successful in taking out sectarian violence and also al Qaeda violence, so that you have the conditions under which people can pursue the important business of political reconciliation and economic development.
As old justifications for staying in Iraq are tossed aside and new ones are proffered, the White House reveals its motives for what they truly are — a desire to establish a long-term occupation of Iraq.
UPDATE: D-Day has more.
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… it’s all about the Production Stealing Agreements…
August 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pmthat’s all…
The goal posts haven’t moved. The propaganda used to hide the goal posts has been in a constant state of flux.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThe only propaganda is being used by the liberal leftists.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmFirst we kill and get killed to get terrorists, then it’s to get saddam, then it’s to protect resources, have safe elections, train the military, prevent them from following us home, political reconciliation too? I’m sure there’s plenty more…
But, it’s all a farce. We fight for power, profits and ….probably the joy of murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents…who knows.
Here’s some additional reading:
August 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pm“The Metamorphosis of the War in Iraq”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ the_metamorphosis_of_the_iraqi_war
Lefties prevent drilling for much-needed oil. I blame Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pmIt’s not a farce. You are. We are going after the terrorists.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by yikes — August 24, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Yikes. I blame Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmthe administration really doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about security, reconciliation or economic development in iraq… they can and do say anything they want about why we went there, what we want to accomplish there, why we’re staying there, why the surge must be continued, and none of it - absolutely NONE of it - has any basis… the only thing they WON’T say - altho’ they’ve come damn close - is that it doesn’t make a hill of beans difference what the hell happens to the iraqi government or the iraqi people as long as our bases stay, the embassy complex stays, and the u.s. controls the resources…
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
The lower the bar becomes, the more likely we will be able to “suceed”
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmBush only cares about one thing in Iraq > OIL.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by stopthecons — August 24, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
It’s all koolio, just blame Bush.
Please don’t hesitate.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAugust: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
September: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
October: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
November: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
December: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
January: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
March: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
April: “Just six more months, and we’ll see improvement.”
etc., etc., etc…
August 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmLefties prevent drilling for much-needed oil. I blame Bush.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Clearly, going back to school has done nothing to increase CT’s cognitive ability or provide him with a social life. Normal guys would be hanging out with friends or even (gasp!) meeting young women, but we can rely on our trolls to spend their days posting moronic and pointless comments here at TP.
I guess the upside is we don’t have to worry that they’ll be breeding.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCaption contest:
“My IQ is this many”
or
“Live long and prosper…dang it, my figures are all wrong again”
August 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmTomorrow, Tony Snow plans to announce that the purpose of the Surgeâ„¢ is to bring about a reunion tour of the Bangles.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWhat is Bush doing in the pic? Is he waving or showing the press the Iraqi blood on his hands?
August 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBush only cares about one thing in Iraq > OIL.
Comment by Jay Randal — August 24, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
And that is the GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAL Post
August 24th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Hey Mom. Over here. I’m over here”
August 24th, 2007 at 2:51 pmIt’s funny, but one of the trolls used a similiar photo of HRC to suggest she was making a N**i salute. I wonder where that troll is now?
August 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pm> Normal guys would be hanging out with friends or even (gasp!) meeting young
> women
That’s a good Plan. I’m outta here. After having read up about Salamis and its interpretation by the moonbattery regiment as having something to do with “Western Civilization”…
August 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Clearly, you’re too much a political hack for words.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI wonder where that troll is now?
Comment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
August 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pm—————————
Burning ants with a magnifying glass would be my guess.
gummitch
It’s funny, but one of the trolls used a similiar photo of HRC to suggest she was making a N**i salute. I wonder where that troll is now?
Goose stepping around a print out of this photo?
August 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAs old justifications for staying in Iraq are tossed aside and new ones are proffered, the White House reveals its motives for what they truly are — a desire to establish a long-term occupation of Iraq.
Right on the mark. That IS what this is all about. These guys just keep changing the story, rewriting history, moving those shells around while they do what they planned to do all along. Long-term occupation has ALWAYS been the plan.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmYou know, you tell so MANY lies and different versions of the story, pretty soon people stop paying attention because it is too confusing or discouraging. I am guessing that is what they are banking on. Why the HELL don’t people demand accountability and answers to what the REAL plan IS!
I love how TPers are so distracted by the photo that it is all they can talk about. Rather than trying to muster up the intellectual strength needed to make a semi-coherent point, TPers start a “Caption Contest.”
Too funny!
August 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmAh. Remember:
August 24th, 2007 at 2:57 pmThe President. That’s a great question. Our mission is clear in
Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament.
In order to disarm, it will mean regime change. I’m confident we’ll be
able to achieve that objective in a way that minimizes the loss of life.
No doubt there’s risks in any military operation; I know that. But it’s
very clear what we intend to do. And our mission won’t change. Our
mission is precisely what I just stated. We have got a plan that will
achieve that mission, should we need to send forces in.
March 6, 2003
If Bush in that pic had continued to concentrate on waving, and forgetting he was on a plane step ramp, then he could have fallen and broke his neck. Oh well.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI love how TPers are so distracted by the photo that it is all they can talk about. Rather than trying to muster up the intellectual strength needed to make a semi-coherent point, TPers start a “Caption Contest.â€
Too funny!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Yet you think your friend CT is hysterical with his “blame bush” comments. You really are an idiot, Pee.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmMarkarios > Rove called to say you are needed on AmericaBlog today.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmCaption:
Mr Pee, please don’t drop your pants in public! Wait until we get back to the ranch!
August 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
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Try to form a real argument, jack@ss. What percent of TP posts are related to funny caption contests? Compare that the the percent of troll posts that are nothing but garbage meant to disrupt the thread.
No go join the Army and be the man you wish you were!
August 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pmBUT Iraqi Political Reconciliation is the uttermost important thing in Iraq , nothing else matters
thats why its unimportant to Bush wacko
August 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmComment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Really?!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmNo go join the Army and be the man you wish you were!
Comment by Vet — August 24, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
He’s waiting for an invitation from The Elite People to join them in ruling the New Constitution-Free America. No time to enlist when Bill Kristol could be phoning at any moment!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmSqueal, lefties, squeal! I’m glad to see all of you expend your jokes on your own commander-in-chief. No shame on the irresponsible Iraqis, I see.
Yep, “Caption Contest”
Good point, Mak.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmJust keep lowering the bar for Bush and the gang. How low can it go? Nobody knows. The Bush cultists don’t care.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmI don’t just blame Bush. I blame those who follow him.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmDisrupting the thread
Whatever you do, don’t disrupt the all holy thread -
But, if you do disrupt the thread, you must disrupt it in a most offensive way - cursing, insults, mother references are acceptable and preferable
But quoting HC or mentioning piece cores - not tolerated.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThe photo shows Bush trying to stop a bullet with his right hand.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI have to agree with Dermot. Starting to wonder if this site isn’t just as bad as the circus on the tv “news” channels. Apparently it’s okay to throw insults around forever, but heaven forbid anything of any real importance gets discussed.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pm>Rather than trying to muster up the intellectual strength needed to make >a semi-coherent point
ahahaahahaha. why don’t you redeploy some of your education commandos to give them some book learnin from your wise private school educated brain?.. oh wait I forgot they are too busy trying to educate iraqis on how not to kill each other and us in the name of allah…. whahahahahaha
August 24th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThe photo shows Bush trying to stop a projectile being emitted from a trigger apparatus with his right hand.
The word b.u.l.l.e.t was just censored.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Don’t you have some more Beano ™ tablets to pick up? I blame Bush for you not heading over to CVS.
I blame Bush for lowering the IQs of you lefties when I thought you all couldn’t become more inbred in your thinking.
I blame Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMargaret -
Normally there are blogging censors like hellinabucket who do the dirty work of getting rid of any one who wishes to discuss topics , but today it appears all the blogger defenders must be a meeting learning new tactics perhaps.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pmI really feel sorry for most decent Americans , unfortunately you seem to have the biggest Moron ever known in the entire history of Morons running America and IT does put pressure on this side of the pond and all over the frickin world having such a moron as a president. may we all get shot of the stupidest pig the world ever seen
August 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pmI blame Bush.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
You’ve made your point — even though I’m not quite sure what point that is. Now, are you just a one-trick pony, or can you move on and find something else? Your posts are littering this thread without saying anything useful.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:09 pmBetter known as any excuse to stay in Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThe “Goal Post” has been moving since day
1 of the Invasion. The republicans are wading
near knee deep in Iraqi blood at this point. It
seems they are obsessed with a continuation
of the slaughter. The only thing that will bring
reconciliation between the political parties in
Iraq, is an American pullout. Of course, we
know that will not happen until the Iraqi’s
sign away their Oil Rights, lock stock and barrel.
The reason for the invasion, and occupation can
still be boiled down to one word. OIL. That is
all too obvious. Maliki asked the US to pull out
months ago. Good luck with that.
Some will argue that Iraq was full of terrorists before we went in. Others will argue that Saddam was no real threat to us and no terrorists were in Iraq. Either way, all can agree that the terrorists now residing in that country are much better armed than they were before our little adventure.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmand we bought the weapons.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmand we bought them.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:11 pmI stand corrected. My bullet comment eventually got through even though it originally got the null treatment.
Now they are nulling my Name field as I begin writing. Are they peering into my computer. Perhaps. Or maybe someone else entirely is censoring unbeknownst to TP.
It is a strange situation. Or perhaps I am just becoming paranoid. If so, I guess they’ve achieved their objective.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAmerica’s economy is resilient. I blame Bush. Unemployment remains low. I blame Bush. There’s nothing to complain about, so I blame Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by Dermot — August 24, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
TP is censoring your lefty drivel? There’s a cure for that, don’t worry.
Blame Bush. It’s simple.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThere’s nothing to complain about, so I blame Bush.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Move along, everyone.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmDid anyone watch Jon Stewart a couple of nights ago? It was the best I have seen in a while. He put Bush’s war in iraq in perspective as well as I have seen it:
August 24th, 2007 at 3:15 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 08/ 23/ daily-show-three-generations-of-america-to-the-rescue/
and we bought the weapons
Bought the weapons? We make the weapons. We give weapons manufacturers billions of taxpayer dollars and the govt sells the weapons around the world to keep war going, and we the people don’t see a dime of that profit. War has been privatized. We have a standing army, something the founders would cringe at. In fact prior to WWII a standing army was considered a sin in the US. Not now. It’s big money and everyone is on the take - Dems and Repubs
August 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmLefties prevent drilling for much-needed oil. I blame Bush.
Comment by Blame Bush
Ask yourself why that didn’t change for years under a rubber stamp Republican congress.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmBush invaded a country and I blame the citizens of that country.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmBush bankrupted our military and National Treasury.
I support Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWe don’t need oil. The cabal needs oil. It’s their life blood - for both Dems and Repubs.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI am the commander of the Lefty Blame Bush Brigade.
Follow me, our “force” could never be stretched.
Did your car give out? Did you suffer from indigestion after dinner last night? Do you think your computer’s fan made some kind of farting noise?
Tell us what YOU think, right here at the Blame Bush Brigade.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe military isn’t bankrupt believe me. There’s trillions hanging around in the Pentagon’s coffers.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThe fact that our money is becoming worthless has the money guys worried. Hence the Federal Reserve (which is a private bank and NOT part of the US govt by the way) pours billions to prop up the money guys. Keep the ponzi scheme going a few more months until? we attack Iran. Then they hope to drop the big one and everyone will forget about credit crunches.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBush kills terrorists and alkaida!!!!
Bush is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!!!!!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBush invaded a country and I blame the citizens of that country.
Comment by Support Bush
I don’t think the citizens have much control over a dictatorship. Remember it was not to invade but free the citizens of that country.
What I blame the BUSH ADMINISTRATION for is using our troops for nation building when they said they shouldn’t be used for nation building.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:21 pmBlame Bush for what he is responsible for. Act like an assh@le is what you like to do.
Ain’t this a great country. Take a picture though because the current leader is pushing us over the edge.
You don’t see it is sad. But it’s still there.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:21 pmClearly, going back to school has done nothing to increase CT’s cognitive ability or provide him with a social life. Normal guys would be hanging out with friends or even (gasp!) meeting young women, but we can rely on our trolls to spend their days posting moronic and pointless comments here at TP.
I guess the upside is we don’t have to worry that they’ll be breeding.
Comment by gummitch — August 24, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
He can’t meet young women, he’s hearing impaired. Don’t you remember, the doctor at his military physical told him so.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:21 pmmoving the goal posts emboldens the trolls
August 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIf our money does become worthless can we count on the Israelis to give back some of the billions they’ve taken and then dribbled out to our pols - Bush, HC, et al. Heck will the pols give us back the money they got from AIPAC which got the money from us?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmIt’s easy for Bush to drop demands he doesn’t care about.
Near as I can tell, his sole objective is to stay in Iraq until he leaves office so he can blame the disaster on whoever leaves. This is the only way to explain his bizarre Vietnam pronouncements. Leaving = losing.
Bush’s ego matters. The troops don’t.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pm.
It reminds me of all the spinning by ChimpCo when we first invaded. At first, it was because of WMD. When no WMD were found, the reason morphed overnight into “it was because of WMD Programs”. When no WMD Programs were found, the excuse became “because Saddam was thinking about starting WMD programs at some future date”. After that, the reason for the war was transformed into “bringing democracy” to Iraq. Now that the democracy angle has been abandoned by the loonies in the Chimp Fluffer Corps, the reason has become to bring about political reconciliation. No wait, now that one has been abandoned too by Spin City in Chimp Land. Now the latest excuse for the continuation of this war and its reason for being is to bring about security, through the use of our troops who are now performing as Security Guards, Traffic Cops, and Human Shields protecting two types of Islam from killing each other in a civil war.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
August 24th, 2007 at 3:22 pmTypical Lefto-Defeatists Negative-Nancy.
Bush kills terrorists and alkaida!!!!
Bush is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Bush funds terrorists and Al Queda he just approved 30 billion in weapons spending to Saudi Arabia, home of 80% of the 9/11 hijackers and 50% of the insurgents in Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmMakarios, then why hasn’t he gone after the #1 terrorist? Why doesn’t Bush keep his word and go after Pakistan for harboring OBL?
Bush is not a true american hero.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmAnd if HC is elected will she drop the big one on Iran? If so where’s the diff
August 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmthey got from A***C which got the money from us?
Comment by Dermot — August 24, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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You just f-ed up, big time!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhy doesn’t Bush keep his word and go after Pakistan for harboring OBL?
Comment by hellinabucket — August 24, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
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Umm… he has!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhat I blame the BUSH ADMINISTRATION for is using our troops for nation building when they said they shouldn’t be used for nation building.
Comment by Mutt WrongKnee — August 24, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
What nation are we building again? So far I have only seen nations destroyed.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmUmm… he has!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Really how with a squirt gun?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmmakarios
You can spell out AIPAC. It’s not censored. At least not yet.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe Iraq disaster is tattooed on Bush’ forehead and he will always be remembered as the President who lost his way (and almost destroyed the country in the process).
Betrayed US Here.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmIt’s the oil, stupid.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBush/chenney promised the Iraqi oil reserves to the big multinational oil companies during closed door meetings in 2001. When they get their man in the form of a prime minister to sign over those reserves , well we will be half way there. Then the troops will have to protect those reserves for the next century.
So the troops will have to remain. And when things get tough on them, they will be asked to stay for 2 year rotations.
And the DLC democrats will play right along. Ask Hillary.
childish Makrios. Your Greek historians would be dissappointed in you.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmJust as the reason why we invaded Iraq has changed numerous times, the reason why we escalated our military engagement has changed and will continue to change until such time as the American people buy it (not likely) or Bush leaves office and dumps the whole mess on the next President.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmBush kills terrorists and alkaida!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Which explains why there are so many fewer terrorists these days.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmNo shame on the irresponsible Iraqis, I see.
Yep, “Caption Contestâ€
Good point, Mak.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Why did Iraq invade itself? Did we get an urgent plea from the Iraqis to save them from Sadam, if so show us the proof. You and P spend all day heyoooing each other and all kinds of crap so don’t try and take the high road now.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBush kills and/or tortures innocent women, children and men and calls them “terrorists”.
I support Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Chattie-Kathie just got finished feeding her corns to her husband and soon-to-be-rebelious daughter. Oh well, I blame Bush for forgetting to throw the FBI on her.
I’m sorry, did I say ‘her?’ I meant ‘it.’
August 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“Why doesn’t Bush keep his word and go after Pakistan for harboring OBL?
Comment by hellinabucket — August 24, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
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Umm… he has!!!
Comment by Makarios”
Oh really? When did he do this? Why is it that you are the only person on the planet that knows that Bush has gone after OBL?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWhat nation are we building again? So far I have only seen nations destroyed. Comment by Egreggious
Bechtel/Halliburtons.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:28 pmReally how with a squirt gun?
Comment by chad — August 24, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
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Lefties,
Don’t tell me that you ONLY get news that has been filtered through TP!
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ world/ 2007-08-23-pakistan-engagement_N.htm
August 24th, 2007 at 3:29 pmBB doesn’t have any desire to discuss or show proof of any stance. BB brain is just engaging in his own version of mental masturbati@n.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI would guess that the war machine in this country has armed both sides in conflicts for a long time. War = big business and lots of money. They don’t care who wins or what its about, just that they make a huge profit. Wars are much easier to get into that to get out of.. It would not even surprise me in the least if the war machine has its hand in getting wars started in order to feed itself.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI read a very interesting book last year called “Captains and the Kings” by Taylor Caldwell. It was recommended to me by a friend who told me I would have a better understanding about who really controls things on this planet and how things work. This book was originally supposed to be sold as non-fiction but no publisher would touch it. She changed some things and sold it as fiction. It is pretty clear who she was writing about. Another interesting tidbit, she earned herself a pretty extensive secret FBI file for her writing.
Comment by Support Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
In other words, you’re speaking ill of brave U.S. troops. Ever hear of bomb-strapping Iraqis?
You’d be the same nut even if Bush wasn’t in office. In hibernation? Yes, but still a nut.
You can always continue to blame Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pmchildish Makrios. Your Greek historians would be dissappointed in you.
Comment by hellinabucket
Markarios should post what ended his Greek rule, and apply that lesson to today.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pmMakrios, that was 3 years ago. Anything lately? any status update? any success?
You follow a fool.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmthat was 3 years ago.
True. But it was also 2 years ago, and 1 year ago, and… dare I say it…
TODAY!!!
Read the article.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Here’s the lefty forthcoming response: “Could you give me a source of the official source? Provide a supporting link, like the Nutmeg blog. Yeah, that’s the ticket.”
August 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
You spend your entire day and evening on ThiPro. What you are gliding over is what (R)Scowcroft said about Iraq, that it would undermine the war on terror.
Pakistan is your proof of that.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe word b.u.l.l.e.t was just censored.
Comment by Dermot — August 24, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Your previous post is up there.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmMakarios manages, as most trolls, to shoot their own toes off with rapid regularity.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmBush cares more about Oil than American people, Iraqi people, and infact cares more about Oil than everything in the world in fact the moron is infatuated about the stuff
August 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThat’s not moving the goalposts.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmThat’s taking the stadium and moving it to another continent.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
The thing these lefties don’t understand is, the military isn’t going to make all of the alkaida hunting details public. These Leftoenians would snitch to terrorists in a heart beat!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmThey are censoring again. Not clear what the offensive words are - Repubs and Dems maybe mentioned in same sentence. Implications that Repubs and Dems aren’t much different could be the problem. Or mentioning LBJ.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmThese Leftoenians would snitch to terrorists in a heart beat!!!
Would you please describe them to me so I know what they look like when I see them? Do they have a special hand signal or something? If I am going to snitch I want to make sure it is to the right person..
August 24th, 2007 at 3:37 pmThe thing these lefties don’t understand is, the military isn’t going to make all of the alkaida hunting details public. These Leftoenians would snitch to terrorists in a heart beat!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
But, in their wisdom, they tell you.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:37 pmBush has shown the way to all politicians - public opinion is against you - just ignore it. You’ve slaughterd millions directly or indirectly - ignore it. There will be no punishment, no judgment. The courts have been taken care of. There will be no sound coming from that quarter. The Congress has been bought and sold, no problems there. The corporate media will protect your flank and the official religionists will guard your rear.
So carry on politicians. Speak platitudes and shibboleths. Pander, lie, deceive. It makes no difference. You can do what you’ve been paid to do and the rest is history.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
And you know what those details are?
As for the rest of your drivel its unreadable as its more of your assinine opinion your masquerading as some truth.
Its troll plop.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAt the beginning of July,
23 out of the 37 members of the Iraqi cabinet voted to approve a draft oil law, sending it to parliament for approval.
August 12th, 2007
Democrats Say Leaving Iraq Might Take Years
PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER
August 24th, 2007 at 3:39 pmThat’s taking the stadium and moving it to another continent.
Comment by RUCerious — August 24, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
They’re moving SHAY’s stadium. That’s why he’s so grumpy today.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:39 pmBush kills terrorists and alkaida!!!!
Bush is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Where’s Osama Bin Laden?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Then they wonder why rational people don’t buy their quarterly “we don’t support the terrorists” lip-service. “No, not that enemy, but this one.” “Iraq’s not the enemy, but I say that only after the war starts.”
August 24th, 2007 at 3:39 pmThe thing these Americans don’t understand is, the military isn’t going to make all of the alkaida hunting details public -MAcurios
So you admit your flying blind? Heh. Thanks Curios.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThey’re moving SHAY’s stadium. That’s why he’s so grumpy today.
Comment by Egreggious — August 24, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Arrrgggh, matey!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pmCaption Contest:
“I licked the soldier’s blood from my hands, did I get it all?”
Forget Patreus’ report, it doesn’t matter what it says or who wrote it. Bush is such a pathetically weak little man that he will never admit his mistake.
We need to grab the reins from this developmentally retarded shit and the sooner the better. Impeach, coup, 150 grain Nozzler through the sternum….
For the sake of our country we need to get rid of that vile piece of shit.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pmWould you please describe them to me so I know what they look like when I see them?
First of all, I explained that they were not made public. The only reason we know that our military is hunting alkaida in Pakistan, is because of some documents that were included in the 1100 pages concerning the Tillman investigation.
Secondly… you’re a Leftonite, forget it.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pmThey’re moving SHAY’s stadium. That’s why he’s so grumpy today.
Who is they? Shays and Waxman were handed a script this morning and they are performing as directed.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by Blame Bush - August 24, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
US troops? No, I don’t support them. I don’t support them ever coming home and therefore I surely don’t support giving them a goal or strategy and the tools they need to fulfill it properly and surely don’t support giving them the proper medical care they deserve for the “lucky” ones that do come back.
I only support Bush and blame the troops while hiding behind them when anyone criticizes “the Decider”.
I Support Bush.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThe Archbishop of Urine is once again completely off track.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThe military already laid out its plans, both strategic and tactical. You just have to read the news. Oh, right, not just Fock Snooze…
Comment by Dermot — August 24, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Careful, you’re going to shatter the Leftonese fantasy world here at TP!!!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmNew concept for a TV series - “Congressional Soap”
They sell all kinds of soap. They stand on soap boxes and speak with soap in their mouths.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:43 pmTypical Lefto-Defeatists Negative-Nancy.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Defending CT? Why don’t you try defending your country instead of your president some time. Because the country will be here long after Bush is gone. Fascist.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmBush’s support should be about four feet long, made out of hemp or nylon. And strong enough to support him for about two feet.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pmThe Archbishop of Urine is once again completely off track.
He’s a featured charactor on Congressional Soap - making appearances from helicopter doorways with right hand raised to stop any incoming.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmMarkie Mark, that decision is over 3 years old also ” Bush wouldn’t say whether he would consult with Pakistan before ordering U.S. forces to act inside that country. “With real actionable intelligence, we will get the job done,” Bush said. Isn’t that exactly what Obama said but he was blasted for that statement?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by nanlichi — August 24, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
I was hoping for something a little more barbed wirey…
August 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by Dermot — August 24, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
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You just f-ed up, big time!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Is this a threat?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmactionable intelligence
Good one. Has a nice ring. Sounds like action.
Sound and fury signifying nothing.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmMakarios, I asked you this awhile ago.
Why doesn’t Bush keep his word and go after Pakistan for harboring OBL?
Comment by hellinabucket — August 24, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
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Umm… he has!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Show me where Bush has gone after Pakistan for harboring OBL. You failed to show this.
You show a blurb in USA Today that some groups have gone in hot pursuit across a border but don’t show anywhere that Bush is keeping his word.
You follow a fool
August 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmShane
It’s not a threat. Makarios is referring to my mention of AIPAC. Thinks I’ll get attacked. But alas AIPAC is ok to say today on TP. HC quotes are verboten as are the words Piece Core - mispelled in order to pass the censor.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIn other words, you’re speaking ill of brave U.S. troops. Ever hear of bomb-strapping Iraqis?
You’d be the same nut even if Bush wasn’t in office. In hibernation? Yes, but still a nut.
You can always continue to blame Bush.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 24, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
No suicide bombers or car bombers in Iraq until we got there. You are an idiot.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:51 pmRUCerious,
Barbed is good. 120 volts would be good.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmMain Entry: 2surge
Function: noun
1 : a swelling, rolling, or sweeping forward like that of a wave or series of waves
2 a : a large wave or billow : SWELL b (1) : a series of such swells or billows (2) : the resulting elevation of water level
3 a : a movement (as a slipping or slackening) of a rope or cable b : a sudden jerk or strain caused by such a movement
4 : a transient sudden rise of current or voltage in an electrical circuit
Pick the one that most closely resembles the “surge” in Iraq.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pm130 / actually Chalabi was in exile from Iraq and let many CIA car bombs off in Iraq
look it up
August 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmLet’s go on a little research expedition –
Where did the IRaqis get those bombs you make mention of BlameBush?
From Iran you say.
ANd where did Iran get those bombs?
From the mullahs you say
And why did the mullahs get those bombs?
To fight the Shah you would say had you any knowledge of history
And why did they fight the Shah?
Because he was a vicious and cruel dictator, as bad if not worse than Saddam you would say had you any knowledge of history
And how did the Shah come to power?
The US overthrew the democratically elected government of IRan and put the Shah in power, you would say had you any knowledge of history.
And why did the US overthrow the Iranian govt?
Because they were going to take control of the oil production in Iran - take it away from the foreign oil companies - you would say had you any knowledge of history.
And who were those oil companies - Bush’s family amongst others.
SO you see how it goes around circles.
August 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmSo, the beatings will continue until morale improves???
August 24th, 2007 at 3:57 pmCaption: “I seen Obi-wan hurt people with this maneuver in one of the star wars movies.”
August 24th, 2007 at 3:57 pmRe Pix:
Damn, is that vulcan hi there thingy like this? Or is this the mind meld, damn, where’s Karl when the important shit happens?
August 24th, 2007 at 3:59 pmMakarios? Where is the proof that Bush has kept his word and is holding Pakistan responsible for harboring OBL?
You can’t even see how you are being played by a fool.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWe are all being played for fools by both sides of the aisle.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pmMoving the goal posts? It’s not like they have done that before.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIs this a threat?
Comment by shane — August 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
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No. It’s a warning, as TP does not usually allow such language.
For example, the word:
“Z!0nism”
is strictly off limits.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:06 pmClillary Hinton is a blue female dog democrat who won’t get us out of Iraq within her first and only term. - test -
August 24th, 2007 at 4:08 pmSee - y’all just need to get creative with your wordsmithying to get around the sensory deprived censors.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:09 pmMakarios, Stand by your man and show me where Bush has kept his word and is holding Pakistan accountable for harboring OBL.
If you can then you have a spine. If you can’t you stand behind a fool and are spineless.
Back up your words or open your eyes.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pmTP taboo topics
Hilury quotes
Zyanizm
Piece core
Lyndin Jonsin
mispellings intentional to get by censors
August 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pmBush has never kept his word. Men who keep their word are not ‘manly.’
Manly men go back on their word without batting an eye. They reserve batting their eyes for more intimate situations.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pmBlame Bush? Where did you go, you Pinko-Commie-Fascist-Terrorist Sympathizing-Heart Bleeder?
And we were having such a splendid time.
P.S. Here’s a hint: Maybe people would stop blaming Bush for “everything” if he would ever take the time to accept it where appropriate.
Well, here’s to unconditional Support!!
August 24th, 2007 at 4:17 pmMakarios, Stand by your man and show me…
I’ve already explained to you why I can’t do that. Please, reread the thread.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“I’ve already explained to you why I can’t do that. Please, reread the thread.”
Known Unknowns? Priceless!
August 24th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWe know why Bush never found Osama —
Osama is a CIA agent and is not supposed to be found. He’s an operative working for us. Don’t you get it yet. Black is white, up is down, Alice is looking through the looking glass.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“It’s a horrible prospect to ask yourself, ‘What if? What if?’ But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world,” Clinton told supporters in Concord.
“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that,” she added. ”
http://www.nypost.com/ seven/ 08242007/ news/ nationalnews/ hill__terror_would_be_gop_boos.htm
HC must be studying the Bush Manual on Pranks and Other Political Tools
Chapter 2 “How to Use the Fear of Terror to Win Votes Without Directly Using Terror”
August 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pmMaybe Rove did quite Bush to go work for Hil after all.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:28 pmThis Colbert Report is priceless..
August 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHoly Crap. Beware of the monkeys
August 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmthe 1100 pages concerning the Tillman investigation.
Secondly… you’re a Leftonite, forget it.
Comment by Makarios — August 24, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Yep. Investigated - nothing to see here. DON’T ask why the Chimperor is claiming executive privilege - it’s unpatriotic to question the Chimp. Don’t ask why three American bullets were grouped tightly in Pat’s forehead - it might reflect poorly on the Great Leader.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pmYou know TP… It only makes it even more suspicious when you filter stuff like that.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:35 pmWhy are we in Iraq?
August 24th, 2007 at 4:36 pmInteresting perspective on reality you have there, Blame Bush. It’s like it’s so myopic it actually has a negative FOV.
Makarios, who on earth are you trying to kid? Don’t try and BS anyone that Bush has waged any kind of successful anti-terror campaign.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:39 pmDon’t ask why three American bullets were grouped tightly in Pat’s forehead - it might reflect poorly on the Great Leader.
Don’t forget from an M-16 approximately 10 yards away. Wouldn’t want to ask how that could happen..
August 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWouldn’t want to ask why they immediately burned all his clothing and his diary.. Why the story kept changing..
Why are we in Iraq?
Comment by J — August 24, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
What is the meaning of life?
August 24th, 2007 at 4:48 pmPresident Squint, nice photo
August 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMakarios is a spineless gutter tripe. Your words aren’t worthy of you stating them a 2nd time but say your answer is somewhere above. You haven’t explained why Bush hasn’t held Pakistan accountable.
Your words are hollow. You stand behind a fool.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmJ, I’d like to know that as well.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:59 pm“Talk the hand Warner”
August 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pmWait, I thought the surge was about finding the WMDs at last.
Am I mistaken?
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August 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pmLooks like Mr. Pus is in a full meltdown already. It’s gonna be a long weekend.
August 24th, 2007 at 5:36 pmCaption:
“ooga booga”
August 24th, 2007 at 5:56 pm“Don’t tell me that you ONLY get news that has been filtered through TP!
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ world/ 2007-08-23-pakistan-engagement_N.htm
Comment by Makarios “
You see little troll. This is again an example of how your critical thinking skills fail you. You said “Umm… he has!!!” That is not what the article you linked to says. Here is what it says:
So tell me pinhead, where does that say that Bush has gone into Pakistan to get OBL?
Also, what this article says that Bush has authorized is exactly what you Rethug talking heads and trolls criticized Obama for saying. Sometimes your hypocracy is breathtaking.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:43 pm“Now they are nulling my Name field as I begin writing. Are they peering into my computer. Perhaps. Or maybe someone else entirely is censoring unbeknownst to TP.
It is a strange situation. Or perhaps I am just becoming paranoid. If so, I guess they’ve achieved their objective.
Comment by Dermot”
Sorry Dermot, you are not special. It happens to all of us, except maybe the particularly objectionable trolls. They seem to have an easy time of it here.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:48 pmDermot ~ it’s a cookie managment thingy that TP doesn’t seem to get a handle on.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:50 pm“Near as I can tell, his sole objective is to stay in Iraq until he leaves office so he can blame the disaster on whoever leaves. This is the only way to explain his bizarre Vietnam pronouncements. Leaving = losing.
Bush’s ego matters. The troops don’t.”
Bush’s original goal was to steal Iraq’s oil. Now that he sees the handwriting on the wall, instead of doing the sensible and human thing (bringing our troops home), he instead is looking for a way to extend his occupation (therefore insuring more deaths), until he can dump it in the lap of the next president.
I can’t, for the life of me, understand why anyone would want to be our next President. They will have to spend the first four years in office digging all the shit out of our government and then maybe in the next four years they may be able to put us back on the right path.
August 24th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBush is moving the goal posts because he now realizes the surge can’t achieve the political progress he promised in January. Improving security in some areas will do nothing to end the civil war in Iraq. We couldn’t end it in Vietnam and won’t be able to end it here.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:02 amThe longer we stay in Iraq the more unsafe we will be as a nation. Iraq is not part of the war on terror or the fight against al Qaeda. Bush has provided no proof that al Qaeda in Iraq has any connection to bin Laden or al Qaeda in Afghanistan. There is no financial relationship or sharing of resources.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:06 am…and being the fine upstanding boosters of the cult of republicanism that they are, the pundits and US corporate media will do and say NOTHING about this latest OUTRAGE.
August 25th, 2007 at 7:46 pm.
Considering the original artical:
remember people always want to save face when backtracking - hat’s one reason for dropping original aims by supporters.
Well, no doubt the main protagonists of this illegal war wanted to ’stay’ in Iraq - but what does that mean, military occupation? I don’t think so, except under conditions of perpetual civil war. That’s clearly untenable, because no decent people will have that: so then they want to have a puppet government, also untenable in Iraq, as sectarian opposition suggests, there is a power struggle. Then there is the armed sunni and shi’ite freedom fighters, who wait in the wings, and may unite, but are all against American occupation.
The desired stay in Iraq, is for control of oil and revenues, and more, their banking system, and government, to weaken Islamic culture etc. The reason a speedy withdrawal is not wanted by them, is because they do not want to lose a grip on these, and it seems they will right now. Yet, all the indications are that their presence cannot help by any benchmarks: they are not wanted or needed - never were.
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pm