U.S. soldiers disdainful of WH ‘happy talk’ on Iraq.
U.S. soldiers disdainful of WH ‘happy talk’ on Iraq.
Soldiers in Iraq “are increasingly disdainful of the happy talk that they say commanders on the ground and White House officials are using in their discussions about the war” and “becoming vocal about their frustration over longer deployments and a taxing mission.” The LA Times writes:
Some say two wars are being fought here: the one the enlisted men see, and the one that senior officers and politicians want the world to see.
“I don’t see any progress. Just us getting killed,” said Spc. Yvenson Tertulien, one of those in the dining hall in Yousifiya, 10 miles south of Baghdad, as Bush’s speech aired last month. “I don’t want to be here anymore.” [...]
The signs of frustration and of flagging morale are unmistakable, including blunt comments, online rants and the findings of surveys on military morale and suicides.
Sometimes the signs are to be found even in latrines. In the stalls at Baghdad’s Camp Liberty, someone had posted Army help cards listing “nine signs of suicide.” On one card, seven of the boxes had been checked.
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As USUAL, Toilet Paper misrepresents the point of even millitary-hating, far-left piecs of propaganda disguised as articles in the LAT (continually dropping in readership exactly due to such articles of military demoralization). In the article (if the intellectually lazy sheeple who call themselves progtards would even read it!), the LAT bastard actually spoke to only three or four soldiers, only one of whom directly stated what libtarded defeatists wanted to hear: that the war has no progress. Mentally ill progressives assume this lone serviceman speaks for the whole 160000 US soldiers in Iraq at the moment, but that’s as absurd as progressives thinking they have a monopoly on the truth. In order for this article to be balanced, the LAT writer would’ve to take a much broader sample accurately reflecting the views of the 160000 soldiers. He didn’t, of course, because the vast majority would have affirmed that they believe in Bush’s surge since it was working.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:44 pmFrom last night…
More than 4000 American families who have lost loved ones in Iraq would disagree with you.
Comment by Probus — August 25, 2007 @ 6:21 am
I couldn’t give less of a shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRAN WILL BE GONE SOON, MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU FILTHY LIBERAL, TREE-HUGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 6:23 am
The pride of America speaks the truth as he sees it. And he argues that Republicans support the troops. I hope they continue to speak up.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOur troops would be in much better spirits if if weren’t for lefty negativism and insurgent bomb-strapping Iraqis.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI know, Dave C. It’s kind of astonishing, isn’t it?
Here’s another classic from one of our little righy friends.
You folks really need to stop masturbating every time a US soldier dies in Iraq.
Comment by muckdog — August 8, 2007 @ 2:23 am
Really elevated level of thought, huh???
August 25th, 2007 at 1:49 pmLefties are for unleashing Iraqi insurgents and Iranian conspirators to terrorize the sanity of our troops. They are sham Americans.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:49 pmOur troops would be in much better spirits if if weren’t for lefty negativism and insurgent bomb-strapping Iraqis.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
well, that’s not true. They would be in much better spirits if they weren’t being used to enrich Dick Cheney at the expense of their lives and freedom. And the bomb-strapping Iraqi insurgents are merely defending their country, something you rightards know absolutely nothing about, if 9/11 is any evidence. And it is.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:50 pmW makes happy talk like Barney, not the dog, but the purple dinosaur. Troops aren’t buying it. Surprise….not.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:50 pmNice try, “Blame Yourself”. Now we’re on par w/ terrorists while a blood-thirsty coward like yourself just hides in Mom’s Basement hurling junior high insults.
Keep it up. You are doing far more damage to your side than you’ll ever understand.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:51 pmToilet Paper misrepresents the point of military-hating, far-left piecs of propaganda disguised as articles in the LAT (continually dropping in readership exactly due to such articles of military demoralization). In the article (if the intellectually lazy sheeple who call themselves progtards would even read it!), the LAT bastard actually spoke to only three or four soldiers, only one of whom directly stated what libtarded defeatists wanted to hear: that the war has no progress. Mentally ill progressives assume this lone serviceman speaks for the whole 160000 US soldiers in Iraq at the moment, but that’s as absurd as progressives thinking they have a monopoly on the truth. In order for this article to be balanced, the LAT writer would’ve to take a much broader sample accurately reflecting the views of the 160000 soldiers. He didn’t, of course, because the vast majority would have affirmed that they believe in Bush’s surge since it was working.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:51 pmIRAN WILL BE GONE SOON, MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU FILTHY LIBERAL, TREE-HUGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 6:23 am
This weak-willed puppet of the darkness continues his descent into total madness. It’s kind of fun to watch…
August 25th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThey are sham Americans.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Freedom Fries comin’ up!!!! The Taste of Liberty On The March!!!
Chow down!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 1:52 pmp is in meltdown more-or-less permanently now, as his favorite fake Texan coward manages to lose three wars simultaneously, including one on a NOUN! pathetic wingnut cowards, sitting on the sidelines blaming the soldiers for Bush’s losing policies.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:52 pmHe didn’t, of course, because the vast majority would have affirmed that they believe in Bush’s surge since it was working.
Comment by SendallprogressivestoNorthKorea — August 25, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Dude, there’s no need to suffer like this, but you have to ask for help first.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:52 pmComment by ronjazz — August 25, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Well, you’re absolutely wrong. Lefties have deflated the motivation of our troops by always presuming their loss. Next, you lefties tell them to look away from the source of that frustration by pointing to Republicans.
Thanks for misleading the troops, lefties. You dems are willing to admit to none of your disasterous mistakes.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHe didn’t, of course, because the vast majority would have affirmed that they believe in Bush’s surge since it was working.
Comment by SendallprogressivestoNorthKorea — August 25, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Dream on, coward. Your hatred of America is justified by your leaders’ losing policies. I dont blame you for being so pissed off that you can’t think straight; you’ve been ratf*cked by KKKarl Rove, lied to by Cheney, and laughed at by Bush. Too bad y8ou don’t have the courage to do anything about it, while we wipe the floor with the GOP and then flush it next year. Say bye bye, you’re finished. Don’t forgte to tell momma to wipe you!
August 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pm#4: Lefties are for unleashing Iraqi insurgents and Iranian conspirators to terrorize the sanity of our troops.
Actually, I’m for bringing the troops home. I’m for taking action to reduce the bloodshed that’s currently happening in Iraq. I’m for ending the string of lies coming out of the White House. I’m for telling the world that propagandists like you are full of crap.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThanks for misleading the troops, lefties. You dems are willing to admit to none of your disasterous mistakes.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Totally delusional. No doubt this individual argues w/ his own reflection daily.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThe comment by Sendall just demonstrates how well they’ve been programmed. The LA Times is owned and operated by the conservative Chicago Trib., and recently went so far right as to hire Jonah Goldberg, Doughy Pantload Extraordinaire.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThanks for misleading the troops, lefties. You dems are willing to admit to none of your disasterous mistakes.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Nice delusions; the meth’s taking ahold of yur little tiny brainstem. Republicans started this, and then ran away. lefties have one fault: we’re always right about Republican politicians; it’s tough to handle for rightards, but easy for we patriots to understand. You haven’t been right about anything since the theft of the government in 2000, and you haven’t demonstrated a speck of patriotism or understanding of freedom and democracy. of course you’re losing, it was a given from day one. No coalition, no leadership, no reason, no planning. It’s over, and you lost, as usual. Again.
August 25th, 2007 at 1:58 pm#12: Thanks for misleading the troops, lefties. You dems are willing to admit to none of your disasterous mistakes.
Are you for real?
The last time I checked, the disastrous Iraq War was started by the Republican-led Bush administration and its allies in Congress. And I can’t seem to recall any Republicans saying, “Oops, sorry. I made a mistake when I voted for this foolish and indefensible war.” At least a few Democrats have had the guts to say that.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:00 pmLefties have deflated the motivation of our troops
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Even if this had a shred of reality assoicated with it, I think these folks are trained professionals. Why do you treat your troops as if they can’t do what they have been trained to do if somebody questions it. Seems disrespectful
August 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pm“You haven’t been right about anything since the theft of the government in 2000, and you haven’t demonstrated a speck of patriotism or understanding of freedom and democracy.”
Pssstt… it’s been going on since Larry Walsh allowed Reagan to slide…
August 25th, 2007 at 2:04 pmPssstt… it’s been going on since Larry Walsh allowed Reagan to slide…
Comment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Oh, I think keeping the hostages captive in Iran until inauguration day precedes that little trick. Republicans hate Americans.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAnyone who knows a soldier that is fighting Iraq has known for years that there is great regret for joining the military.
Most signed up after 911 thinking they were doing the right thing. The regret is horrendous.
Of course, there are a few that wear the uniform that enjoy the slaughter, the ones that had to go or do jail time.
Everyone I know that is fighting or has fought in Iraq regret their decision to join Bubbleboys war on America.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by Blame Bush
CAUTION: BUSHTARD ON BOARD!!
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August 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pmI think someone on this thread has been playing with their Chinese-made toys with lead paint and sucking on their Barbie and Tanner playset figures. We all know who that is.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pmThe rightards are the real owners of BDS, or Bush Derangement Syndrome. They are so fatally disappointed in the Codpiece-In-Chief’s utter failures that they have become lunatics and fellow travelers of the neocon antiAmerican treason movement. I can’t think of a reason that Bill Kristol and the rest of that gand shouldn’t be done away with by hanging or electrocution, after full and fair trials, which would lead, of course, to the same fate for Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld Then we could get back to being America, instead of a cheap copy of the 3rd Reich.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmtest
August 25th, 2007 at 2:18 pmTP playing at show and hide posts again
August 25th, 2007 at 2:19 pmhttp://www.newspress.com/Top/Article/article.jsp?Section=NATIONAL&ID=565074540867487317
August 25th, 2007 at 2:20 pmNo matter how many times you call a kumquat a grape – doesn’t make it so. The need for soldiers to speak out against the positive spin on this is very telling in deed. bush may not ‘read the polls’ or care what the average citizen has to say, but he most assuredly needs to heed the words of those in the midst of fighting this mess (the troops) .
August 25th, 2007 at 2:20 pmSorry to wander off-topic, but, this all can be laid at Reagan’s (and Walsh’s) feet.
If Walsh had held Reagan responsible for his actions, there would have been an inpeachment investigation so rigorous that we would have found out if Bush Sr. had in fact been “out of the loop,” or if he had been more involved than he claimed. In either case, he would have been seriously damaged in the ensuing media feeding frenzy, Dukakis would have used any revealed involvement of Bush Sr. as political ammo, and the election would have then been about the competing images of Willie Horton vs. Arming Terrorists for Political Gain. If Bush Sr. hadn’t won, we wouldn’t have told Saddam that his invasion of Kuwait was OK, and he wouldn’t have invaded, knowing the Americans wouldn’t allow him to invade without paying a huge price. No invasion of Kuwait, no UN sanctions to violate, no connection to the terrorists. And we wouldn’t be stuck in a quagmire.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“In the CIA, they are calling what the Iranians are doing to us in Iraq as the slow cook — where we get cooked there for the next 10 years and then we give up completely and leave.”
August 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pm‘They fire first and think later,’ say British soldiers
August 25th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“They have a different approach to us, if we get in an ambush we pull back and assess the situation,” said another. “They try and shoot their way through it and kill as many people as possible.†privately British soldiers expressed concern and anger at their “gung-ho” approach.”They have a different approach to us, they fire first and think later,†said another.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmcowboys eh ??
August 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pm‘They fire first and think later,’ say British soldiers
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 25, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Well, the fish rots from the head. the military takes its cues fromn the leadership, and since when has Bush been capable of thought, either before or after “firing”? Bush is the Coward-In-Chief, the buck stops there.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmEditor of LA Times to reprorter: Lets find 1 whinning jack@ss who enlisted in the reserves for the college tutition benefits without knowing that soldiers fight wars and interview him. Totally disregard and ignore 140000 soldiers that understand what it means to be in the ARMED FORCES.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pmLATimes: GIs’ morale dips as Iraq war drags on
With tours extended, multiple deployments and new tactics that put them in bare posts in greater danger, they feel leaders are out of touch with reality.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmEditor of LA Times to reprorter: Lets find 1 whinning jack@ss who enlisted in the reserves for the college tutition benefits without knowing that soldiers fight wars and interview him. Totally disregard and ignore 140000 soldiers that understand what it means to be in the ARMED FORCES.
Comment by kenny — August 25, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
The rightwing LA Times, employer of rightard traitor Jonah Goldberg? Even you don’t believe that, kenny. You look like an real ass, though, posting that nonsense. Why aren’t you one of the 140,000, by the way?
August 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI was feb 2003 thru oct 2004. Now say thank you.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:38 pmComment by kenny —
You didn’t bother to read the article, or you’d have noticed this:
Plenty of troops remain upbeat about their mission in Iraq. At Patrol Base Shanghai, flanking the town of Rushdi Mullah south of Baghdad, Army Capt. Matt Dawson said residents used to shoot at troops but now visit them and offer ideas on improving security.
“For the 20-year-old kids here who have been shot at for 10 months in a row, the change is a tremendous feeling,” Dawson said last week.
What’s the matter Kenny? Is that jerking knee still bothering you?
August 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmToilet Paper…..
Comment by SendallprogressivestoNorthKorea — August 25, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Thanks for reminding me. I’ll put it on the list.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmThanks for misleading the troops, lefties. You dems are willing to admit to none of your disasterous mistakes.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Thanks for thinking the troops are so f*cking stupid that they can’t understand what’s going on in front of their own eyes.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI was feb 2003 thru oct 2004. Now say thank you.
Comment by kenny
Prove it.
Most trolls have better things to do than serve, and most military folk have better things to do than post on a “troop-hatin’” website.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pmComment by Zooey — August 25, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
You lefties claim that about the American voter that put George W. Bush, our President, into office.
The troops know what you lefties are up to, but I’m sure it still weighs on them. That’s the point.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:43 pmCongressman, Rep. Brian Baird, is holding a Town Hall meeting on Monday. Now is the opportunity to express your concern about his recent comments on Iraq.
He told The Associated Press last week that we should stay in Iraq for “as long as it takes.”1 Just yesterday he wrote an Op-Ed in the Seattle Times defending the White House’s failed strategy in Iraq.2
Last March, Rep. Baird voted with the Democrats to force Bush to bring our troops home. Now he says he’ll oppose timelines to bring our troops home from the unwinnable civil war in Iraq.
This Monday, you have the chance to ask him what changed his mind. Can you join other MoveOn members to ask Rep. Baird the tough questions about his new pro-war views?
What: Town Hall meeting with Rep. Baird
August 25th, 2007 at 2:44 pmWhere: Fort Vancouver High School Auditorium
5700 E. 18th St., Vancouver, WA
When: 7:00 pm on Monday, August 27th
Comment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Of course, he wouldn’t have to prove anything if he agreed with every lefty word out of your lefty mouth.
Now shut up.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe troops know what you lefties are up to, but I’m sure it still weighs on them. That’s the point.
Comment by Blame Bush
That we’re trying to get them out of a civil war? Yeah, I’ll bet they just hate us for that.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDear Barfly, that would be a shattered knee but i knew what I was getting into when I joined up. Ironically I’m a orthopedic surgeon so I don’t have to use the VA for rehab. P.S. you are the last person I have to PROVE anything to.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pmNow shut up.
Comment by Blame Bush
Now there’s the constitution-hating neo-troll, in all his glory. Notice the red ass-feathers…
August 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmP.S. you are the last person I have to PROVE anything to.
Comment by kenny —
As I thought. You should be ashamed of hiding behind the patriotic sacrifices of those, whose shoes you aren’t fit to clean. You’re a fake.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmTo those who still support our naked emperor:
August 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWho’s the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?
It continues to amaze me how those who support the Bush War will not help the military and join the war effort. They are cowards, everyone of them. They hate our troops. They hate our country. They have no trouble letting Bush send over an 18 year old to war, but it would never occur the them to join the 18 year old in battle. None of their statements have any credibility whatsoever. Their leader-in-charge Bill Kristol is just like them, a coward. Spend 15 months in hell, not once but in multiple deployments, going back 2,3 or 4 times. then comeback a re-evaluate your views on the war. but until then shut up about the war. You don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAmerica, you ride on the backs of orphans,
And terrorize them daily.
Bush beware.
The world recognizes an arrogant liar.
The poets of Guantanamo
August 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pmhttp://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/632EBEAB-3476-4052-86B4-88AD207910ED.htm
Dear Barfly,…
Comment by kenny — August 25, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
that would be the mightyaphro/valiantvenus trooll’s m.o.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:51 pmmaybe it’s her “husband”…
…
I was feb 2003 thru oct 2004. Now say thank you.
Comment by kenny —
You’re a fake, who should apologize for trying to wear the mantle of those who’ve actually served. Aren’t you ashamed of this behavior?
August 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by katy —
It’s disgusting behavior, and it belittles the sacrifices of those who’ve truly served.
Beneath contempt.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Ever inquire proof from Wayne, others? Not that I don’t believe Wayne, but you lefty commenters seem obsessed with proof (as if official documents, etc. will be signed over to you..) from political opponents.
Is this all an insinuation that only lefties could serve in the military? How is that possible with a party that has a history of seeking to dismantle our military?
August 25th, 2007 at 2:55 pmSo, another Kenny tucks tail and hides.
No surprise there – except for how these childish trolls think it will work, using a fake service record to make a fake point.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDear Barfly Why must you automatically go to name calling and such hateful talk? If someone disagrees with you, debate on fact or even opinion. When you use such language you do a disservice to your argument. I know when and where I served. Giving you specifics still would not make your hateful mind beleive.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pmComment by katy — August 25, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
OoooOOOooOOo Katy….so ~kewl~
What a drag.
katy……..katy……..katy ……..katy ……..katy …….katy …….katy………
August 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pmIt’s disgusting behavior, and it belittles the sacrifices of those who’ve truly served.
Beneath contempt.
Comment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
You’re posturing, plain and simple.
August 25th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI can’t think of a reason that Bill Kristol and the rest of that gand shouldn’t be done away with by hanging or electrocution, after full and fair trials, which would lead, of course, to the same fate for Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld Then we could get back to being America, instead of a cheap copy of the 3rd Reich.
Comment by ronjazz — August 25, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
I wonder if we sent Dubya, Darth, Rummy, SecofShoes Rice, Bremer, Kristol, Boner and a few others to have a war crimes trial in Iraq and it was held by the Iraqi people, the result would be as fair and would have a similar result to Saddam’s?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:02 pm“Ever inquire proof from Wayne, others? Not that I don’t believe Wayne, but you lefty commenters seem obsessed with proof (as if official documents, etc. will be signed over to you..) from political opponents.
Is this all an insinuation that only lefties could serve in the military? How is that possible with a party that has a history of seeking to dismantle our military?”
Comment by Blame Bush
Well, Mr. P, since Wayne’s not the one coming here to argue for a war of choice, his bona fides aren’t as important as someone who advocates war (and the inevitable bloodshed that results), and who bolsters the argument with his supposed military experience. But I can depend on you to be willfully ignorant of anything which doesn’t conform to your carefully-constructed stereotypical template.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:03 pmTime to start thinking about reparations to the Iraqi people.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:03 pmI’d vote for sentencing these trolls to indentured servitude, they can be used for repairing infrastructure, menial labor, and a host of other uses.
My guess is one month per dumbass comment on this site would be just fine.
barfly
Also, I seem to remember Wayne supplying them at a point.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:05 pm#52 Comment by Vietvet68 — August 25, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
Exactly! This has been an ongoing issue ever since this illegal Clusterf@ck started. They all have the brass balls behind their M-79 Keyboard/Grenade Launcher but don’t have the big ones to fight “THEIR” war.
BTW, Thanks for your service! You beat me by a year, was there in 69-70.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pmComment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
That’s not an answer. You want military veterans to come home believing that the war effort isn’t worth it. And if they don’t, they need to “prove their service” to those who have openly stated that the U.S. “can’t win.”
Military service, buddy, is an American tradition. You like to think it’s a prop for the left, but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“Giving you specifics still would not make your hateful mind beleive.”
Comment by kenny
It’s that when anyone claiming to have served to bolster an argument on the Internet, is just trying to sell snakeoil. I could claim to be a brain surgeon, and for a time I will be able to pull it off, with a little help from google – but in the end, it will be revealed. The same goes for claims of military service. Any “experiences” one can lay claim to is automatically suspect, as it cannot be proven conclusively – so why bring it into the debate, if you can’t prove it? It’s a weal attempt to steamroll others with, in essence, nothing. So I’m not going to thank you for your service – because you cannot prove it.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pmBlame Bush –
You’ve managed to use 5 straw men and countless false comparisons in order to make your (superbly) illogical argument. Perhaps you should take a critical thinking class at “Your Home Town CC” before putting fingers to keys.
Good luck.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“Also, I seem to remember Wayne supplying them at a point.”
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Read my last post. Exactly what does bringing in unproveable assertions do for an argument, other than detract from it?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmBlame Bush, when you get OBL and those WMDs you will have an ounce of credibility. You have not. ssshhhhhh.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pm“You want military veterans to come home believing that the war effort isn’t worth it.”
Strawman arguments aren’t too effective…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by ben — August 25, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Coming from a lefty, your advice means absolutely s*it.
Go post elsewhere. And while your at it, shut up.
There’s nothing wrong with my posts. Put away your “strawman” talking point. You lefties overuse it.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmThat’s not an answer. You want military veterans to come home believing that the war effort isn’t worth it. And if they don’t, they need to “prove their service†to those who have openly stated that the U.S. “can’t win.Military service, buddy, is an American tradition. You like to think it’s a prop for the left, but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
You and a few of the Rightie trolls are always challenging people to prove their service. All some of us ask, is that if you are so gung ho, go fight YOUR war. we don’t need any proof, because those who served, know they did.
It sounds like you wish you could go and do it, but lack the necessary male anatomy to make it happen.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmMilitary service, buddy, is an American tradition. You like to think it’s a prop for the left, but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
This sounds like CT, a troll who was totally punked here for shirking the military. Being a coward, he returns as Blame Bush, still dumber than he is deaf.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmComment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Lefties hate the military. Plain and simple. They’re more worried about YouTube than advocating that the U.S. succeed.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmGo post elsewhere? I’m not sure if that is an effective way to resolve conflicts. It smacks of immaturity.
I would be happy to put it away if you can post an argument without using one.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmYou lefties overuse it.
Comment by Blame Bush
Well what do you expect, when all you do is construct them?
And saying “shut up” means you admit defeat…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmbarfly
It shows that Wayne’s asertions weren’t entirely unproven – and that there isn’t a double standard exerted here when we ask for proof of the military service of one of the board’s trolls, particularly if that troll is claiming personal knowledge of an issue.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmThey’re more worried about YouTube than advocating that the U.S. succeed.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Succeed at what? Please identify what success means. If a bank is robbed and the robbers get away, they have succeeded but I would not say what they had done was right would you. Troops do what their leaders ask which requires that the leaders make intelligent use of troops
August 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by Blame Bush
Yup, lefties hate. They hate lies, and incompetance. And they really hate those who arm terrorists: that’s republicans.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmLefties hate the military. Plain and simple. They’re more worried about YouTube than advocating that the U.S. succeed.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
You slimey ball-less scumbag! Nobody here hates the military! We, unlike you, respect their service as well as their LIVES!! That is hwere we differ. We see the sick part of this war, and want them home, like you are right now.
But to you and the rest of the NeoCon BushCO’s, the military is just another tool that you borrow from your neighbor to misuse and return it broken or lose it and don’t give a sh!t, you just go borrow another one from your other neighbor.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by Juan C — August 25, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
The WMDs no longer matter. Objectives change. Why do you feel it’s still credible for you to bring that up? It’s in the past, priorities change, so drop it.
Also, what if the U.S. is already in Pakistan going after OBL? If the government wants to keep it secret to achieve their objective, that’s a-ok. But no, you lefties need it to be out and open on YouTube for it to count as anything.
Nice way to support America, lefties!
August 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThis administration relies on Happy talk and tweaked intelligence (known the world over as propaganda) while the exhausted troops try to survive.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pmLefties hate the military. Plain and simple.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
An assertion that you cannot prove. More strawmen arguments.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#76: Lefties hate the military. Plain and simple.
I don’t know a single “Lefty” who hates the military. I, along with countless other progressives, want the troops to come home, so that they won’t be killed in a foolish and unnecessary war. That is not hatred–that is patriotism.
So yes, your “argument” consists of nothing but straw men and ad hominem attacks.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmGeorge W. Bush and the Happy Talk Express.
Remember when the Republicans complained about Democrats and liberals being “do gooders”.
Now they want the US military to be a pack of glorified social workers.
Pathetic that the US troops are paying for Republican social programs in Iraq with their lives.
-GSD
August 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe WMDs no longer matter.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Of course WMDs no longer matter; the objective of the Bush admin. has long ago been met, and that is using the fear of WMDs to launch an attack on a country that was of no threat to America.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#83: The WMDs no longer matter. Objectives change. Why do you feel it’s still credible for you to bring that up? It’s in the past, priorities change, so drop it.
So we’re supposed to pretend that the Iraq War was NOT built on falsehoods? Why would that be in anyone’s interest–other than George W. Bush’s?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWhat does it mean to support America. The Left says support the troops bring them home. Take the billions spent on the Bush War, and spend it on rebuilidng higways, bridges, insurance for children who have none, while the right says send troops to the Bush War, get them killed, and by the way kill 100,000 Iraqis and invade Iran and start another Bush war while you are at it. As for OBL, Bush said he didnt think about him anyway. For my vote, give me the left any day. The necon right only wants to destroy America anyway.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmComment by upside00 — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Well, I don’t ask for proof from anybody, so that’s where I’m coming from. Unlike lefties, I don’t question the legitimacy of someone’s military service according to which political wing they fall under. Perhaps ‘Dr. Dog’ or ‘Michael’ does, but I don’t.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmBlame Bush
It is clear to me that:
1: You have never served.
2: That you confuse opposition to your president, who is a total failure on several fronts, with opposition to the military. The military serves, whoever is in power. It swears an oath to the constitution, not the sitting president. You might not respect this, but I for one do as that covenent, that sacrifice whereby the military is supposed to remain neutral in politics, means that America remains free of a dictatorship.
Of course, keeping America free of a dictatorship is strikingly low on the average Republican troll’s agenda, given your reaction to secret rendition, illegal wiretaps, and the use of torture by your government.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pmBlame Bush is a spineless gutter tripe. Offering the same nothing as his fearmonger leader. This dirty little war couldn’t be fought at all without the 120,000 or more hired guns that don’t follow the same rules that our brave soldiers and marines do.
I love the military. I served in the military. I will defend the military from the likes of the spineless chickenhawks that drop their republodung and run.
spineless.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMilitary service, buddy, is an American tradition. You like to think it’s a prop for the left, but you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
that’s right, military service is an American tradition, even though the founders didn’t want it, and knew what kind of abuses it would lead to. Now, perhaps kenny served in Iraq or Afghanistan, and wants me to thank him, but I don’t thank knee-jerk gung-ho reactionaries who jump when a deserter and his 5-deferment puppetmaster allow an enemy to attack, do nothing about it, and then invade the wrong country for oil profits. Nobody should volunteer for the militay when Republicans are in office; it leads to death and destruction to enrich a few fatcats. America was in no danger from Saddam or iraq, none whatsoever, and that’s been proven time and again since the shower of lies turned into a storm of crap. Supporting the troops means letting them live and see their families again, now. Anything else is supporting Bush’s treason.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI question the legitimacy of Bush’s military service. More holes in that story than the guy who was shot in the head by Cheney.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
I’m confused. Are we arguing something? While your point about Wayne’s service in cogent, the larger point I was making was about the unproveability of any claims of military service to make a point on the internet. And it isn’t necessary for a well-crafted assertion, made with the three most effective debate tactics: acknowledgment, accomodation, and rebuttal. Empirical assertions are subjective, and can be rebutted by other’s experiences to the contrary.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Jim — August 25, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
If Sadaam, a man who has a destructive history as a brutal dictator, invites concern from a post-9/11 U.S. (even if he didn’t directly attack us), that’s not a stretch. Perhaps we shouldn’t be there now, but the right decision was made to go in and rid the world of that man to ensure that he wouldn’t act on anything to follow 9/11.
Mistakes happen. Why do you expect the U.S. to dwell in the past?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBlame Bush for not having any friends
August 25th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#91: I don’t question the legitimacy of someone’s military service according to which political wing they fall under.
How big of you. I mean, you think it’s OK for Democrats to serve in the military? Wow–I mean, how open-minded of you!
August 25th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#94 got it right. Impeach Bush, Cheney and all the other necons who support Bushs illegal war.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:32 pmLefties hate the military. Plain and simple.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
On the other hand, we’ve got plenty of proof to assert that Republicans hate the military.
Like sending the troops into battle without proper protection.
Like allowing Halliburton to provide tainted water to our troops and the Republicans in Congress refusing to investigate. I personally know of a man who ingested this supposedly “clean” water after Halliburton told his superiors that the water was clean, and nearly died from it. He has to take about 20 types of medication EVERY DAY for the rest of his life just to survive.
So don’t even start with the “lefties hate the military.”
August 25th, 2007 at 3:33 pmBlame Bush for being in a bubble with no outside influence
August 25th, 2007 at 3:33 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — August 25, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
There’s a worse status than one whose never served….A lefty who’s never served.
You’re no expert, Brucie. You don’t get to speak for the military, so run along.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“There’s a worse status than one whose never served….A lefty who’s never served.”
Actually there is: a war-happy wingnut, who’s never fired a shot.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRe: WMDs, priorities & objectives haven’t changed. It’s just that the lies of GWB/Cheney have been displayed to the world so the GWB administration had to change the justification for their illegal war. It became “Iraq’s ties to al Qaeda”. That was disproven as well but still hoisted up the flagpole by GWB & Cheney each week. They have decided that lies are just as good as the truth, even better when the truth isn’t going to support your actions. And the funny thing is the Rep voters know that they’re being lied to. They want to be lied to because it makes it easier to support these criminals. So they buy into the lies to absolve themselves of blame for the deaths going on out of their sight. The parallel between the American Republican public and the people of Nazi Germany is astoundingly similar. I’m thinking there will be decades of apologies & many movies made trying to explain how a country bought into a criminal regime.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pm#103: You don’t get to speak for the military, so run along.
So who speaks for the military? You? George W. Bush? I think not.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmronjazz
Well said.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmVietvet, Bruce, Hellina, etc,
Notice how Blame Bush will call us all for being “defeatists” and “not supporting the troops” but always deflects any question of his service? I don;t care if he says he won;t serve or can’t or already has, just be a man and own up one way or another. I even have more respect for Romney and his brood of Yuppie kids for sacking up and saying “I support the war but not with my own kids” At least he is honest about it.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmso run along.
Comment by Blame Bush
Grade school…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:37 pmbarfly
True enough, but this stopped being a rational argument when the troll posted:
Our troops would be in much better spirits if if weren’t for lefty negativism and insurgent bomb-strapping Iraqis.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Pure, 100% unadulterated ad-hominem.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:37 pmYou’re no expert, Brucie. You don’t get to speak for the military, so run along.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
and you aren’t speaking for Americans, just the handful of treasonous idiots left who will continue to believe proven liars. You are lower than scum, go back to your gutter. the fact is, we all get to wpeak for the military. this is not Nazi Germany, as much as you would like that, and we speak for freedom and democracy. the military has been hijacked for profits. By the right, not the left. So go back to jerking off to Soldier Of Fortune, you useless, America-hating coward.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThere’s a worse status than one whose never served….A lefty who’s never served.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
There you go CT, a rationalization that allows you to console yourself… maybe you’re not the worst piece of shit on the planet after all…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:38 pm“Pure, 100% unadulterated ad-hominem.”
Comment by Bruce Gorton
And the inevitable whining about the nasty liberals.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmYou don’t get to speak for the military, so run along.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Do you?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmthe world is scandering money on the military when we all set up the UN to stop all this mad spending on arms
more money is spent on arms in 1 years that could educate,feed and house the whole planet for 5 years
The thing is the UN was set up to recognise sovereign countries and to stop goverments from invading other countries ,
why are we spending massive amounts of money on military buildups when we could do a lot of good with all that money……..
after all having 50,000 nuclear bombs worldwide is just lunacy …….there useless
August 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pmblame Bush
What is your military service? Just curious.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI thought Bolton was supposed to fix the U.N.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pmComment by Jim — August 25, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
LOL. Of course he speaks for the military. He is the commander-in-chief, a rank higher than that of a General.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pm“Just a little patience” with your civil war? Gee, where have we heard that before? Let JP count the ways…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#
blame Bush
What is your military service? Just curious.
Comment by Vietvet68 — August 25, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Good Luck on that one! We have tried for a long time to get some kind of answer, but no luck. Always a another strawman or a deflecting response.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pmActually, the military has spoken for itself….see the comments in the article as well as the article from “boots on the ground” 82nd airborn troops.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBlame Bush
You have never served. It doesn’t take an expert to spot a bullshitter, and you sir are a bullshitter. You came onto this thread spouting ad-hominem nonsense, and then tried to make as if you knew what you were talking about.
It is pretty clear to me that anything you say, is instantly suspect, and any claims of service, instantly dismissable.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI suspect the Blame Bush has no military experience. He is trying to avoid the quesiton.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:44 pmActually, the military has spoken for itself….see the comments in the article as well as the article from “boots on the ground†82nd airborn troops.
Comment by jb — August 25, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
As have 9 retired generals, Sen. Webb, Warner, Votevet.org and a lot of us veterans of Vietnam. But the Repug response is to call all of us traitors, troop-haters, etc.
What a bunch of sick chickenhawk scumbags the Repugs have become! Will be so good to see them circling the drain after the Big Flush in ‘09.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:45 pmExactly upside! Why do these wing nuts hate the troops?
August 25th, 2007 at 3:47 pmafter all having 50,000 nuclear bombs worldwide is just lunacy …….there useless
Comment by Tobey Tall — August 25, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Well, that’s how the Founders felt as well. They knew full well that a standing military would eat up valuable resources, and that the weak-minded psychopaths like George Bush would come along and use it as a toy, or a substitute penis, if you will. Anybody who has evolved into a full human being is anti-military, although aware of the dangers around us. We could easily take care of our citizenry in much more humane fashion, and have a land of bounty and beauty if we spent 10% of what we do on the military currently, and still be strong enough to take care of any real threat. Now, instead, we spend more than most all the rest of the world combined, and then we lose wars left and right. This is because the right is less evolved, less human, less intelligent and less courageous than the left. They live in a fake past where everything was great for the top 2%, and who cares about the other 98%? History shows that they lose their heads, their power and their fortunes whenver they overeach, and it’s going to happen again. If we don’t destroy the GOP, they will destroy America. That’s just a sad fact.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmThere’s a worse status than one whose never served….A lefty who’s never served.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
———
Indeed. Leftonites hate the US military… hell, Leftonians HATE the United States of America!
HATE!!!! HATE!!!!!! HATE!!!!!!! = The Leftonese
August 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by Vietvet68 — August 25, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
I agree. In my experience vets either happily offer info about their proud service or sadly in other cases choose not to even discuss it. I have never met a vet who throws their service into conversation but them deflects any follow up. I never served but respect all who have.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmjb
Its not so much that they hate the troops, as that they hate the living.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThey hate the troops because they are in lockstep with Bush. THis is typcial Repub thinking. Read John Deans book Conscience of a conservice and you will learn what make a Repub so bad.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmFrom the TP archives:
Number of rationales the Bush administration used for invading Iraq, according to Press Secretary Tony Snow: 1.
A University of Illinois study, however, identified 23 different rationales for invading Iraq advanced by the Bush administration.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmExactly upside! Why do these wing nuts hate the troops?
Comment by jb — August 25, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Maybe they don’t hate them, they just have testosterone envy and actually hate themselves. It is a major projection issue.
Like Dubya being a cheerleader at Yale cause he couldn’t make the football team (but maybe dated some of the team) or Cheney starting a war in Iraq because he is ashamed of his 5 deferments or RUDEE having to wear dresses because of his male inadequacies.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pmAnything to keep the rich fat and lazy.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmor RUDEE having to wear dresses because of his male inadequacies.
Comment by upside00 — August 25, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
or Mitt’s pride in his 5 sissies cowardice. That’s a good one.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmComment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 6:23 am
Man, talk about your Republican haters. I thought they were the party of love, values and morals. Oh thats right,my bad, we dedbunked that a long time ago.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHATE!!!! HATE!!!!!! HATE!!!!!!!
Comment by Makaka-rios — August 25, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Yeah, that about sums you up…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pmA University of Illinois study, however, identified 23 different rationales for invading Iraq advanced by the Bush administration.
Comment by WC — August 25, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Let ‘em keep trying. Eventually they’ll find one that works.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#133 What do you expect when you come to a progressive website and spew your trash. I guess if you dont like you can leave the site.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmThis is so sad… and goes to show the true ones that do not support the troops.. the ones LYING to keep this mess going for political reasons and those profiteering from it. And these are the very ones claiming liberals do not support the troops… imagine that.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 6:23 am
Man, talk about your Republican haters. I thought they were the party of love, values and morals. Oh thats right,my bad, we dedbunked that a long time ago.
Comment by Mutt Wrongknee — August 25, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
And the other issue is their fear of the coming changes in 09. When the rover leaves and the Codpiece Commander Guy is hiding out in Paraguay, they will have no “heroes” left to worship …. except for Ann Coultergeist and the rusher.
How sad their world will be!
August 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmVietvet68
I am not too sure he wasn’t calling the Republicans haters.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmGOP-HATE, WILLIAM-KRISTOL-HATE, FAIR-AND-BALANCED-REPORTING-HATE, FAMILY-VALUES-HATE, STANDING-UP-WHEN-YOU-PEE-(IF-YOU’RE-A-DUDE)-HATE, FRED-THOMPSON-HATE, ANN-COULTER-HATE, KARL-ROVE-HATE, AMERICA-HATE, LIBERALS ARE FILLED WITH HATE!!!! HATE!!!!! HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by Vietvet68 — August 25, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Vietvet… I think Mutt was referring to a nasty comment Makarios made earlier in the thread.
August 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pmLIBERALS ARE FILLED WITH HATE!!!! HATE!!!!! HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Mental illness is not pretty.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmVietvet,
where were you in ‘68?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmtest
August 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmCurious. Do these Bush supporters really believe the Bush Administration or are they just egging us on?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI suspect every single one is a troll. They parrot the most irritating right wing talking points, with not an original thought among them.
Years ago there were some willing to engage in debate. They seem to have either changed their minds or they don’t comment anymore.
Please help up make these boards more interesting, don’t feed the trolls.
Upside
base camp in Anke. 6th Bn 84th Arty.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhere were you?
How sad their world will be!
Comment by upside00
I don’t think they are ever happy. I read quite a few blogs and they always start off with ad-hominem attacks. They are like Coulter clones that seem to think hate speak is a winning formula.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmComment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
CLASSIC!!!!!!!
Keep that title! Mr. Monkey should be proud.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmTripMaster Makarios
Nobody does hysteria quite like a Republican does hysteria…
August 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmLeftonians HATE the United States of America!
HATE!!!! HATE!!!!!! HATE!!!!!!! = The Leftonese
Comment by Makarios
Yeah, that’s why I’ve been paying taxes for thirty years: because I hate the govenment so much, I have them withhold an extra ten bucks a paycheck over what I actually owe. I figure it will bring them to their knees any day now…
August 25th, 2007 at 4:04 pmBlame Bush sez
Thanks, Blame Bush. I think I will.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:04 pmComment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Wow, a full blown lay on your tummy, flay your arms, kick the floor hissy fit. How professional, Did you learn that from Ann?
But I love you Markarios!
August 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIt just could’nt be any clearer. Any soldier who comes to see this occupation as the lying, murderous farce that it is, instantly transforms into a lefty troop hater.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:06 pmUpside
base camp in Anke. 6th Bn 84th Arty.
Where were you?
Comment by Vietvet68 — August 25, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Was at Pleiku and Cam Ranh,
483rd and 12th TAC, Air/Sea Rescue
August 25th, 2007 at 4:06 pmYeah, that’s why I’ve been paying taxes for thirty years: because I hate the govenment so much, I have them withhold an extra ten bucks a paycheck over what I actually owe. I figure it will bring them to their knees any day now…
Comment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
How come all the antitax nuts like the Brown’s cooped up in NH claiming to only go out in a blazing firefight with the big bad government are always right of center at best?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:08 pmhttp://www.newshounds.us/2005/07/14/ann_coulters_fog_of_lies_about_karl_rove.php
Heres how to flail your arms when having a full blown hissy fit Markarios.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pmhttp://www.armchairsubversive.org/coulter.gif
oops pasted wrong link, here ya go Markie.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmComment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Wow, a full blown lay on your tummy, flay your arms, kick the floor hissy fit. How professional, Did you learn that from Ann?
But I love you Markarios!
Comment by Mutt Wrongknee — August 25, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
You are just witnessing mr. p’s multiple personality meltdown. It usually starts later but he must have stocked up on his Cheetos and Mountain Dew in the Dorm Basement Bunker. Might be a bit of meth-mouth going on as well.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmComment by barfly — August 25, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
So charitable of you. Actually, if you enjoy an income, you must pay taxes on them. What do you think this is, a Holiday Inn?
Oh, and there’s a difference between America and it’s Government. It’s the job for this democrat majority to get off it’s fat a*ss and do something for America, like, you know, helping us defeat Islamofacism.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:13 pmSo charitable of you. Actually, if you enjoy an income, you must pay taxes on them. What do you think this is, a Holiday Inn?
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Could you please cc Grover Norquist on this?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmIt’s the job for this democrat majority to get off it’s fat a*ss and do something for America, like, you know, helping us defeat Islamofacism.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
I get it. You’re working on your stand-up routine. You want to be the next Dennis Miller. Don’t quit your day job, if you have one.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI dont hate any of those things you listed Markarios. What I dislike is hypocrites, child predators, pedophiles and perverts. Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having
sex with a mule. Like this friend, oops, team mate of yours.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
August 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmAs if the Democrats have funded Bushs off the books supplements.
And besides, you GOP types should have thought about the ramifications of funding these Islamofascists when they were GOP Freedom Fighters
“like, you know, helping us defeat Islamofacism.”
Comment by Blame Bush
Well since Islamofacism is a fiction, perhaps we could get The Legion of Superheroes, or the X-men to fight them?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmWhat do you think this is, a Holiday Inn?Comment by Blame Bush
I am an investment banker please bail me out to the tune of 250 billion Mr Holiday Inn!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThe WMDs no longer matter. Objectives change.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
There you have it – the neocon ideology in a nutshell: Dear Leader’s mistakes do not matter. It’s in the past. Move along. Sorry about that soldiers, NOLA, Consitution, Iraqis, Iranians, etc., etc., etc.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe WMDs no longer matter. Objectives change.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
There you have it – the neocon ideology in a nutshell: Dear Leader’s mistakes do not matter. It’s in the past. Move along. Sorry about that soldiers, NOLA, Consitution, Iraqis, Iranians, etc., etc., etc.
Comment by robbez_92107 — August 25, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Come on now. It’s not like we are talking about something that really matters say like blowjobs
August 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmCome on now. It’s not like we are talking about something that really matters say like blowjobs
Comment by dbadass — August 25, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
How did Mark Foley and Jeff Gannon get into this discussion?
August 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmOur troops would be in much better spirits if if weren’t for lefty negativism and insurgent bomb-strapping Iraqis.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
They would be in much better spirits if they were out of Iraq.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by dbadass — August 25, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Grover’s a furry bear, just the way the Democrat in me likes it.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Nat — August 25, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Why leave Iraq? I couldn’t imagine life without something to complain about, as a desperate democrat and all.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 25, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Yer funny. And an inspira-moron, too. Just like me.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pmWe will simply talk past the trolls – the attraction they have for TP must be because TP does not ban idiots, morons and imbeciles.
This thread makes me very sad. Democrats want the soldiers to come home, but war hawks want to keep the battle going despite the agonizing frustration and continuously rising death toll.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:54 pmMy heart goes out to those soldiers who find themselves trapped in Iraq.
As for the war hawks, may they join the trolls here and go to hell, the sooner the better.
We will simply talk past the trolls – the attraction they have for TP must be because TP does not ban idiots, morons and imbeciles. Comment by Marie — August 25, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
It is like stepping over animal feces on a trail, just have to watch where you step.
And it is only one troll here today, mr. p, in all his demented personalities.
And to your point about the tropps, the Repugs have never shown any sense of humanity to our troops, the rest of the US citizens or to the world. And it is getting worse!!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmupside sez
What’s a “tropp”?
August 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThe rest of your post is not worth a response.^_^
The rest of your post is not worth a response.^_^
Comment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
And yet it responds, nonetheless… :-D!!!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:28 pmYer funny. And an inspira-moron, too. Just like me.
Comment by The Democrat of Insanity — August 25, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
You’ll never make the Half Hour News Hour w/ material like this. You simply must try harder!!! And why the need for insults? I’m just trying to help ya!! ;-D!! ;-D!!
August 25th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThis war has had a very heavy toll on our troops. The extended deployments which have never happened before put a very high burden on them. Bush is forcing our troops to fight a war they can no longer win militarily. Increasing the number of troops will do nothing to effect political progress. The high rates of suicide and PTSD which is underreported indicate our soldiers are paying a heavy price for a failed policy.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmBush and the GOP must do right by our troops and tell the truth about the failure of the surge to effect any political progress.
August 25th, 2007 at 5:43 pmI see that #178 and #179 never make typos, do they? Perfect ones that they are.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:03 pmJerks.
Lefties hate the military. Plain and simple.
Comment by Blame Bush — August 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
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Exactly right!
August 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pm#176: This thread makes me very sad. Democrats want the soldiers to come home, but war hawks want to keep the battle going despite the agonizing frustration and continuously rising death toll.
Yes, exactly. And intelligent people, even people who used to vote Republican, are coming to understand that opposing the war and supporting the troops are one and the same.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:33 pmJerks.
Comment by Marie — August 25, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Huh??? What did I do?
August 25th, 2007 at 6:33 pmExactly right!
Comment by Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Having 2 idiots agree that an irrational statement is “right” doesn’t change anything, boys. It’s still a meaningless, irrational comment.
August 25th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHaving 2 idiots agree that an irrational statement is “right†doesn’t change anything, boys. It’s still a meaningless, irrational comment.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 25, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Actually it is one idiot with many personalities and a bad meth habit.
August 25th, 2007 at 7:08 pm#185
August 25th, 2007 at 7:27 pmSorry ROS
I misread your post. :(
#177 Do you mean that the lunatic who is posting here is one and the same nutcase? OMG he crossed over into the deep end didn’t he? Someone should call for medical help.
August 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pmMr. Pus (that’s my pet name for it) is prone to psychotic breaks. Very Sad.
August 25th, 2007 at 7:41 pmSomeone should call for medical help.
Comment by Marie — August 25, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Thas’ okay. It happens. As for “seeking medical” help, I think it’s the same poster, over and over again, too. Very creepy, no?
August 25th, 2007 at 7:52 pmanyone got the name and address of this specalist? id really like to have it, ten miles south of bagdad? not a combat unit.
August 25th, 2007 at 8:07 pmSo by reading this post I assume the writing on the latrine wall is true? By reading this post a lowely spc is a mastermine of military strategy? And by reading this post “most people are happy” that bad things are happening to our military?
August 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pmAnd by reading this post “most people are happy†that bad things are happening to our military?
Comment by umbra — August 25, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
Huh??? Pretzel logic!!! Go for it!!
August 25th, 2007 at 8:30 pmumbra sez
No. Not “most people,” umbra, just the progtards here at TP. ^_^
August 25th, 2007 at 8:48 pmNo. Not “most people,†umbra, just the progtards here at TP. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Makarios — August 25, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
So desperate…
August 25th, 2007 at 9:38 pmIt is time for the low life trolls who are left in their mommies basment pretending to be aremchair heros to get their scrawny asses to the recruiter and put their kildee asses on the line. Their heros, Dubya and Shooter are cowards and they are the same class of worthless crap. Get the hell off this board, you are doing nothing to change any thinking 82%ers mind, you low life, knuckle dragging, bottom feeding 28%ers. I am a veteran and you know nothing of what the guys under fire think of the war. You are repeating lies of cowards on the reichwing. Go to hell, morons.
August 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pmThe worst part of this is that I saw an interview with an embedded reporter on Bill Maher’s show the other night–and a large percentage of our enlisted men & women there STILL THINK THAT IRAQ HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:28 amThey are continuing to be fed the propaganda that we rejected years ago….these are not our best & brightest–these are young, naiive US citizens who NEED OUR PROTECTION!
#194: And by reading this post “most people are happy†that bad things are happening to our military?
Huh?
August 26th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy does it always seem that the wing-nut trolls have never in their lives spoken with service members, veterans or their families? Oh yeah that’s right, it’s because they’re all rethug loyalist elitists that dodged ever serving their country.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPosters like Blame Bush remind me of a scab: If you don’t stop picking it, it never goes away. Stop feeding the troll. You’re never going to convince him of anything.
We need to bring our troops home. This war is the biggest lie this administration has ever perpetuated, and they’ve told some whoppers. Look at what we’ve become! We’re abusing our troops, we’re sodomizing other human beings in Guantanimo, we’re even torturing our own military personnel when they blow the whistle on corruption from American companies embezzling millions of dollars from Iraqi reconstruction contracts. Al Qaeda is just as strong now as they were on 9-11 and the new recruits are pouring in.
And for God’s sake, we need to stop watching Fox News!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:05 pmRon Paul 2008.
Just Come Home, and End the Middle East Empire
(Hint: We supported Osama, Hussein, and the Shaw not too long ago. We don’t give a shit about democracy over there. Just look at Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.)
August 27th, 2007 at 2:04 pm