On Friday August 17, PBS’s Bill Moyers criticized Karl Rove for cynically invoking God and Christianity for political purposes while telling others that he is an agnostic, calling him “a skeptic, a secular manipulator.”
Two days later, when Rove appeared on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked him to take on Moyers’ criticism. “I’m a Christian. I go to church. I’m an Episcopalian,” responded Rove. “You know, Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit better research before he does another drive-by slander.”
Earlier this week, Moyers argued that Wallace shouldn’t have taken Rove’s “every word as gospel,” but instead, should have challenged Rove’s assertion with other sources who report that he is an agnostic. On Fox News Sunday this morning, Wallace responded to Moyers’ rebuke, saying Moyers failed to do “reporting 101″:
Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church. Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Watch it:
While taking Rove’s “word as gospel,” Wallace completely disregards the numerous contradictory reports that justify Moyers’ claims:
1) “The White House will miss his indubitable political acumen. What other agnostic could have mobilized hundreds of thousands of conservative Christians behind a political banner?” - San Antonio Express News, [8/14/07]
2) “I could be wrong here, but I distinctly recall conversations with Rove friends who’ve told me that his struggles with faith did not lead him to Jesus Christ. Yet he knew and understood how to interact with (and manipulate, at times) the standard-bearers of the evangelical Right and the Catholic conservative intellectual elite…..” - The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder, [8/13/07]
3) “[Rove] told his friend Bill Israel years ago that he was agnostic and that ‘he wished he could believe, but he cannot.’” - James Moore, co-author of Rove bio, Bush’s Brain, [8/13/07]
4) “Rove once told a colleague that he had no religious affiliation and was ‘not a Christian.’” - James Moore and Wayne Slater in Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential.
Additionally, journalist Christopher Hitchens has said he’s learned that “Karl Rove is not a believer.”
Moyers has not said whether he attempted to contact Rove. Still, there is a solid basis for his claims. Wallace never challenged Rove with any of the contradictory accounts of his faith, instead just blindly accepting what he said. As any reporter knows, healthy skepticism is also part of “reporting 101.”
Transcript:
CHRIS WALLACE: Time for some mail, one letter from liberal commentator Bill Moyers. You may remember in my interview with Karl Rove last Sunday, I asked him about a Moyers statement that Rove is an agnostic who manipulated the Christian right for political gain. Moyers quotes he ought to do better research. Bill Moyers sent me this letter which he posted on his website. He quoted four print stories for his contention that Rove is agnostic. None of which offer any proof other than what Rove supposedly told colleagues over the years. Moyers wrote this:BILL MOYERS: Obviously, Rove wanted to blow smoke because his version of reality is undermined by his own previous statements and by the reporting and analysis of journalists who have done their home work and don’t take his every word as gospel — no pun intended.
CHRIS WALLACE: Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church. Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Moyers makes a profit off his tv programs.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThat was hilarious!!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFox Comedy Channel is the best.
if rove reads a devotional every day then i am jesus christ.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:17 pmI apologize to all agnostics/atheists that have to share air / beliefs with this thing. I join you in my mourning.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:18 pmMoyers’ production company, Public Affairs Television, gets paid by PBS, but it is unclear how much since PBS will not say. In return for the compensation, he does a weekly commentary program and some documentaries.
But here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,” Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
http://www.townhall.com/ columnists/ billoreilly/ bo20021123.shtml
August 26th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAs a devout agnostic, I apologize to the entire planet for the existence of Rove amongst us.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Well, you are the one who works for Fox “News”, Chris. You should know how easy it is to “report” when you have little or no use for facts.
That accusation, coming from you, almost sounds like a bad joke.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:25 pmMaybe Bush is KKKarl’s god.
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August 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pmArrrrghhhhh!!!! TP won’t let me comment!
This one says absolutely NOTHING, so it will go through.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou cannot win a debate with a man like Rove arguing over this issue.
Not because he is right or wrong, but because he is accustomed to inject politics in every word he uses…Whether Moyer right or wrong,Rove is not going to say or admit on a major television network that he was ‘agnostic’.
He will argue with Moyer ’till the end of time…because he is a political strategist..and he knows how to play the media very well. Playing the media well is an asset, not just to Rove, but all these so called political strategists.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhat would have been the value of asking Rove anything? Either he would lie or he would have forgotten the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:33 pmProvide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:34 pmStupid blog software!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:34 pmJim Webb, Clare McKaskal, Jon Tester and Bob Casey are all conservative Republicans. And I welcome them to our team.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by tarazan — August 26, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
I agree that you won’t win in a debate with Rove, but only because of the formats in which he agrees to do it. I do not believe, for example, that you will ever get him for an unlimited amount of time to sit and pry at him until you eventually get him to admit somethign he didn’t want to admit. You’re not going to get him for three hours so you can air an eight-minute segment. He would never allow that, because he knows how such an interview could get manipulated. But, go on a talk-show where you’re there for seven or eight minutes to fill six-and-a-half or seven minutes, and you can stall and brush off what you don’t want to slip on. Rove may have been raised as an Episcopalian, but that doesn’t mean he still is one today. And if he does go to church, I’m sure it’s with the president.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pmMATT, FIX THIS DAMN BLOG!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pmRose, pull in those talons.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:42 pmStupid blog software!
Comment by gummitch
We should all stop posting until TP gets this posting problem fixed. Let the trolls chew on each other; if that’s what TP wants (which seems apparent, since they haven’t fixed it after months of complaints). We should let the threads get choked with troll ad hominems until TP fixes it for real.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pmYeah. Matt. I want to hear what Rose Tyler has to say! Can anybody at TP explain why our name fields go null all the time and we lose posts for no reason? It’s puts your site on the “undesireable list” when that kind of thing continues to happen. Do you even know WHY it happens? Or are we just going to keep being asked for one more Friedman Unit to see improvement?
August 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pmTest
August 26th, 2007 at 12:50 pmKarl Rove is the perfect example for the word hypocrite.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIt isn’t possible to compare the journalistic skills of Bill Moyers and those on Fox Noise because Moyers is the only one in this discussion who has any. He is the only person in this discussion with any intelligence, credibility and character.
So a Fox News hack criticizes one of the greatest journalists of our time. What a pathetic loser.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI seem to remember a call for name/alias registration. Would that not prove useful for everyone? Those of us loyal to this site, who bring substance to the dialogue would certainly prefer it, and perhaps the obstructionist trolls cowering behind multiple names would search for greener pastures elsewhere. Those with authentic disagreement and a civil tongue would, I suspect, have no objection to registration.
I submit that the need for registration is more urgent than ever. Please consider it, TP.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pmActually, it is a tossup between Karl Rove and George Bush who is the better example of the word “Hypocrite”. They both take it to a new, much higher level.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pmFAUX Noise Channel
August 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pm\
Enough said!!
Reporting 101 is now an option for journalism. Required courses are Etiquette 1A, maximizing unnamed sources, Etiquette 1B, Dining on your sources buck and Cost/Benefit Analysis 101,, using administration talking points as reporting allowing more free time for applying what you learned from Etiquette 1B.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMatthews thinks Rove would never lie about something like this? He doesn’t know Rove very well.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHo hum,
August 26th, 2007 at 1:11 pmAnother Christian that goes to church on Sunday and sells used cars, worthless insurance and preemptive war Monday thru Saturday.
i mean what situation is bush in? hes with the back against the wall and is loosing. now rove just jumped off the bandwagon.So its pretty plain to see that rove cant lead the republicans into another election with bushes back against the wall in a very bad - iraq - situation. So hes agnostic. I mean u dont have to be einstein to maintain this.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:13 pmExpecting a Fox News “journalist” to challenge a right wing interviewee’s assertions with other sources?
You might as well expect an elephant to fly. It’s just never going to happen.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI don’t understand why my post are being filtered. No curses, no harassing anyone, and am actually on topic for a change.
Maybe I need to go on psychotic, insulting, baboon-like screeches (a la Mr. P) for my posts to make it through and stay up.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:17 pmRove probably selected the “religious cover” of Epsicopalian http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America
August 26th, 2007 at 1:18 pmsince it meshes so cleanly with a human supreme just like the Unitary Executive.
Bush as potentate is what Rove wants. So, Episcopalian is the closest thing. Maybe someone should ask Rove to take the Oath of citizenship for the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Oath_of_citizenship_%28United_States%29
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
I loved hearing Max Cleland on CNN this morning respond to something that Karl Rove had said by saying he knew Rove was lying because ‘his lips were moving’ with a big smile on his face. It was priceless. There was a big pause and Blitzer asked again if he wanted to respond further and Cleland said no, he didn’t need to say more.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBrassmask,
I have no problem with it whatsoever. Of all of our money being spent by our government whatever we spend for one small slice of non-spinned truth is worth every penny.
The Bush crime family has rotted and corrupted our country far better than our enemies could ever have hoped to, thank God someone is telling the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:20 pmThe second part doesn’t matter. You should always contact sources, especially the subject of your paper/show. Human sources trump second hand information any day. Unless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYeah, I too would take offence at the suggestion that Rove has lied.
/sarcasm off
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmI’ll go with my instincts on this one:
Nobody can work with others to:
participate in the planned wholesale slaughter of up to a million people
argue war based on lies
displace millions of people from their homes
orchestrate the smearing of war heros to win an election
put out the welcome mat at the White House door for male whores
…and be a believer in anything except power and money.
I look forward to the day when this pathetic, lying mass of fat becomes worm meat.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmChris Wallace…Journalism school…WTF?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Moyers has not said whether he attempted to contact Rove. Still, there is still a solid basis for his claims.
The second part doesn’t matter. You should always contact sources, especially the subject of your paper/show. Human sources trump second hand information any day. Unless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
Comment by Lesly — August 26, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Rove has made public statements as to his religiosity, no contact was needed. Moyers was making a clean journalistic summation from the OTHER sources, no need to re-hash what Rove has lied to already. The point is that Rove is out of the equation, now we need objective measures of religiosity, not more of Rove’s lies.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:25 pmUnless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
What would be the value of asking a pathological liar anything? He might as well start the interview by asking Rove if he’s a pathological liar.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI like Moyers. But I don’t like talking about other people’s faith or lack thereof. He should have expected this.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pmAs for Rove? Wasn’t he dropped off on the side of the road by his parents? Something like that? Rove is hardly a role model.
TEST
August 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pmBut here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,†Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
The illogic of this post is bizarre. Bill Moyers earns money from his work. So what? Do you hate capitalism, Brassmask?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:29 pmProvide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Looks like we have Karl Rove’s publicist on board.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pmTesting….GRRRRRR. .Great post G Whiz and all…Blessings
August 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pmAh yes, Chris Wallace. Coming from the son of an adulterous tv cue card reader, that’s rich.
If Chrissy hadn’t had pappy Mike (like Georgy W) paving the way for him, he might have had to actually work for a change. As it is, he still ended up on Faux News.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pmRove doesn’t lie:
“I didn’t know her name. I didn’t leak her name,” Rove told CNN last year when asked if he had anything to do with the Plame leak.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pmchris wallace once asked me about my royal lineage. i told him i was the king of poland. for some reason MY word wasnt good enough.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pmGuido, Lover, OBGYN,
A persons faith is fair game when you are beaten over the head with it daily as an explanation of why their cause is “just”, it’s total horsesh*t and in fact anti-Christian… that whole bearing false witness thing. There should be more light shed on the supreme hypocrisy of their evil, not less.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pmBrassmask, your time is over. I suggest you start getting used to it. Karl Rove has caused enormous damage to the longterm prospects of the Republican party. You can spew all the propaganda and lies you want here and it won’t make any difference. Your party won’t be protecting Rove after the devastation of the GOP in the coming elections. Rove will be a persona non grata, and the chances of him going to prison are high. I have no doubt whatsoever that many decent conservative Republicans working at DOJ are biding their time to reestablish the rule of law with a vengeance, and they will be gunning for Rove’s head when the Bush crime family loses control.
By the way, Stephen Hayes and the rest of the gang at The Weekly Standard are psychotic nuts and sociopathic liars.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:36 pmRove telling the truth about relegion….This from a lier’s brain.. The war monging, pig…..Ah yes, this is the rove we remember saying the base he wooed and got to join these insane one’s in the adminitration were “lunatic’s, fundies and crack pot’s “when laughing about the people that supported him and his drunk druggie pupett….Unbelievable insanety….Or believable satenism…..Blessings
August 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmDidn’t Mike Wallace finally get fed up with his son Chris and disown him? I remember something like that over the last year or so..
August 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmBut here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,†Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Did you hate the Barney revolution too. They got PBS money and made billions off of Barney. And Sesame Street? In your eff’d up world, the government is only allowed to set the stage for whorporations to make money off the sick, injured and dying.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#52
Didn’t Mike Wallace finally get fed up with his son Chris and disown him? I remember something like that over the last year or so..
Comment by JG — August 26, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 10/ fox-news-personality-chris-wallace.html
It was a joke website.
“Chris Wallace had no comment. However, a spokesperson for Fox News said that Rupert Murdoch has agreed to adopt the younger Wallace who will now be spending the holidays with the Murdoch family.”
August 26th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSo when separate investigative journalism report similar quotes and items from the source, they are to be disregarded in favor of the latest shill who asked the question and was lied to, unchallenged.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmYeah, that’s journalism all right — Fox style.
Karl said he was an Episcopalian (like Poppy Bush) and he would never tell a lie, would he?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTexas Democrat I’d rather cut one of my fingers off than play the holier than though game. I don’t like evangelists knocking on my door telling me to come to their church because it implies there is something wrong with me. And I most certainly don’t want anyone trying to define evil to me. So why would I do the same?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmJust be a better person and beat them on their record. EZ
NOW, I finally see what happened to the Republicans…
http://altair44.blogspot.com/
But for real, here is a great BBC 3 part report that explains the TRUE Neocon movement, and its subversion of rational thought regarding human behavior and how this led them to their wacko Negative Freedom BS.
THE TRAP: WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DREAM OF FREEDOM?
http://freedocumentaries.org/
August 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pmPart 1 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=152
Part 2 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=153
Part 3 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=154
Rove is a devout believer in his god. The problem is: Rove’s god is Political Power. So the result is that ANYTHING he does in the pusuit of Political Power is, to him, not merely acceptable, but praiseworthy. Killing thousands of American soldiers along the way is, at a minimum, irrelevant.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThe one thing Karl Rove and I share, we both don’t believe in any gods.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:06 pmBut…but…but… I’m a Christian©! You have to forgive me!
It’s in the rules!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:07 pmHave we not learned anything?
August 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWhy are we even listening to the liars at FOX?
Cris Wallace smeared Bill Moyers. That’s what he gets paid to do.
Besides, when the right-wing has no facts with which to respond, they attack on a personal level.
Whenever we sensationalize another FOX lie, we play into their hands.
Ignore them. Stop watching them. They will go away.
I just finished watching this Bill Moyers Journal segment that aired August 24th. It is about news on Iraq that has fallen through the cracks of the avalanche of stuff the that hits us everday.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:10 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ 08242007/ watch3.html
It is worth watching. Powerful.
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER do an interview with Chris Wallace….well…….um….NO!
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER allow himself to be interviewed by Bill O’Reilly…..well…..um…NO!
What is the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER call Rove and ask a direct question….well…um…NO!
Where does the great Bill Moyer’s get his information from….well…he just MAKES IT UP.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:11 pmChris Wallace has trashed and smeared his own dad on the Fox Noise channel. He knows no shame.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:13 pmhttp://archive.newsmax.com/ archives/ ic/ 2005/ 12/ 11/ 100751.shtml
Guido, Lover, OBGYN,
I appreciate your stance. I believe in live and let live but when I’m clobbered over the head with religion by a government that uses it as justification for actions that are contrary to the very tenets of their supposed beliefs I cant sit Idly by. They frame the argument, I’m merely joining the dialog and calling bullsh*t.
Insofar as defining evil, that is just the conclusion I have come to when I subject this groups actions to my belief system, which coincidentally is supposed to be their belief system, but being as I am a Christian I am not persecuting them just calling for the exposure of their hypocrisy. Satan is the great deceiver.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmFor journalistic contact with Rove see Jeff Gannon. Seriously, I would like to see law enforcement and prosecutors making contact with Rove. Christian or whatever, he should be doing hard time. Criminal.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmA man met another, who was handsome, intelligent, and elegant.He asked him who he was. The other said “I am the Devil.”
“But you cannot be,” said the first man, “for the Devil is evil and ugly.”
“My friend,” said Satan, “you have been listening to my detractors.”
Idries Shah
August 26th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#64 Moyers is a JOURNALIST, and he uses FACTS.
O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric, and are as removed from journalism as anyone in REAL NEWS knows…
And Rove has committed TREASON, and TRAITOR Buxh won’t LET him testify UNDER OATH, just like TRAITOR Bush wouldn’t go UNDER OATH…
August 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIn the same interview with Rove, Rove said it has not yet been determined that Valerie Plame was covert. If he could lie about something so obviously wrong, why would we not suspect he is lying about his religion. Wallace just accepts his word as gospel, no pun intended.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmNo, you guys are repeating the error that Wallace points out. You’re using 3 of 4 dubious sources. PBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmO’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric, and are as removed from journalism as anyone in REAL NEWS knows…
And Rove has committed TREASON, and TRAITOR Buxh won’t LET him testify UNDER OATH, just like TRAITOR Bush wouldn’t go UNDER OATH…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
YOU MAKE MY POINT………..MOYERS SHOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FACE THEM DIRECTLY AND CORRECT THE RECORD….set them straight! Again….whats the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????????
August 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmPBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
Comment by Ken — August 26, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Correct! As I said Moyer’s has been caught any number of times JUST MAKING SHYT UP…………BY HIS OWN PEOPLE NO LESS!
Why is it so hard to accept the truth???????????
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmIf you accept the premise that O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric then you wouldn’t ask the question of why Moyers won’t face them. Why would he? What credibility do they have? And since they have none there’s no reason to meet them. The record has been set straight, they are oblivious to facts & truth & would be in any meeting. O’Reilly will boldly lie about things he said the day before, even when confronted with the lies. To meet with know liars is to act as if their words have meaning.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmDidn’t take “Reporting 101″, but I think journalists actually try to confirm facts by going to multiple sources. Given that Rove is always telling the truth, there would be no need to ask any other questions.
Great reporting Chris!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmPBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
Can you imagine if this kind of thing happened at Fox? If every time Hannity, O’Reilly, Wallace said something that was less then correct were called on it by Fox there would be more time spent backtracking then they spend on the air. You should admire PBS for having an Ombudsman who critiques what PBS airs.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmYOU MAKE MY POINT………..MOYERS SHOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FACE THEM DIRECTLY AND CORRECT THE RECORD….set them straight! Again….whats the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????????
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
O’Reilly, Wallace and Rove would TURN TAIL rather that be interviewed by or debate a man who uses FACTS.
Tell you what, YOU set up the debates, and I’m sure MOYERS will show.
The other three are COWARDS.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmAnd WHY is the “great” TRAITOR Rove afraid of testifying UNDER OATH and subject to PENALTY OF PERJURY??
Rove is an enemy combatant and deserves no defense from anyone. Off to Gitmo with this Traitor.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmZed Lefflin,
There is no correcting the record, it’s all spin all the time to wrap up those who would try to find truth in constant contradictions. There is a cardiac rhythm that is called A-Fib which is characterized by irregular irregularity, the method employed to diagnose it is to rule out all other possibilities. The current administration is no different, they are consistently inconsistent and cannot be nailed down because other possibilities cannot be eliminated, they rule from the murk, and that is the intention.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhy contact someone (Rove) that you know for an absolute fact is going to look you right in the eyes and LIE?
The only way to acquire anything resembling truth about such a criminal is from several other sources.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmIsn’t that cute? Little Chris Wallace, thinking he’s a — wait for it! — journalist! Heh heh. Beating those little hands in their air railing against one of the great ones. Kissing that flabby pasty horse patoot, front AND back, of Unca Karl! Look at meeee! He says. I AM TOO a journalist! Yes I am! heh heh.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmIf you accept the premise that O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric then you wouldn’t ask the question of why Moyer’s won’t face them. Why would he? What credibility do they have? And since they have none there’s no reason to meet them. Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmO’Reilly, Wallace and Rove would TURN TAIL rather that be interviewed by or debate a man who uses FACTS.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
WRONG AGAIN AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SINCE MOYER’S WOULD NOT APPEAR ON THE FACTOR O’REILLY SENT HIS PRODUCER TO FIND HIM…..HE WAS AMBUSHED IN A PARKING LOT AND ASK WHY HE WOULD NOT APPEAR ON “THE FACTOR” TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT……………..BUT YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE HERE ENGAGING IN “INCESTUOUS AMPLIFICATION”.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWell, at least you ADMIT that O’Reilly, Wallace and Rove have NO BALLS.
Again, WHY won’t Rove TESTIFY UNDER OATH??
Because he is a LIAR and a TRAITOR to the USA?
Yup…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#82,
I don’t think Dave needs to do better than that, I think he’s hit the nail right on the head.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#83
Show us PROOF that Moyers was “invited” on O’Reilly’s show.
Better yet, if you want DEBATE, have the DEBATE in a NEUTRAL forum, certainly not on Fox PROPAGANDA, where they can then EDIT the content.
And didn’t O’Reilly RANT how the NYT didn’t put the JFK “terror plot” on the front page, while FOLDING THE NEWSPAPER, thus HIDING the article that he said they REFUSED to print on Page One???
Yup…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMoyers is a F’IN LIAR!!!! He should be tried and executed for treason. That would be taxpayers dollars well spent.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pm#87
Too retarded for words.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWallace would let Rove tea bag him.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:13 pmShow us PROOF that Moyers was “invited†on O’Reilly’s show.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
This is to easy………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqNt5BHmUIg
You people REALLY dont know whats going on……………WOW! I though you were just pretending to be ignorant.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pm#89 - stop the slander.
#87 - what is too retarded for words is that Moyers posed as an objective reporter for years at the taxpayer’s expense when he’s nothing more than mouthpiece for the radical left and now terrorist. Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmMoyers is a F’IN LIAR!!!! He should be tried and executed for treason. That would be taxpayers dollars well spent.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
That goes DOUBLE for LIARS and TRAITORS like Bush and Cheney. DEFINITELY would be taxpayer dollars WELL SPENT…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:23 pmYou people REALLY dont know whats going on……………WOW! I though you were just pretending to be ignorant.
Comment by Zed Lefflin
And about Rove’s REFUSAL to testify UNDER OATH?
I guess you just OVERLOOK the TREASON of Rove, Bush, etc…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmUnder Powell’s board of directors, Moyers had all his funding cut by PBS and he left NOW for two years. Today, his programs are entirely paid for by himself and the support of private funders. PBS or NPR contribute not a dime to his program other than broadcasting it. That is why he gets the profits, just like a good capitalist should.
Yeah..HillarywhackedVince…you know a lot. Did you know that Geo. Bush’s grandfather helped fund Hitler’s armament build up until the US government took his bank away? Did you know that Rove and his boys are part of a vast conspiracy to have gays take over the GOP? I mean, its all in black and white. Look at the headlines. And that male prostitute that Rove approved for press conferences!!! Drudge is gay, too, I read on the internet so I know its true. And so is Dick Cheney’s daughter. I am kinda suspicious of Rove’s relationship with number one, but I dont worry about it.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmAnd how about O’Reilly’s LIE about the NYT not printing the story on PAGE ONE???
August 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAgain, WHY won’t Rove TESTIFY UNDER OATH??
Because he is a LIAR and a TRAITOR to the USA?
Yup…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
AND WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DEGREE AGAIN??????????
When was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Holy crap!
Beam me up Scotty……….there is no intelligent life on this site!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pmCome on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I’d bet Moyers would debate O’Reilly if Karl Rove would testify under oath. What possible reason could Rove have for not being willing to do that? Does he lack integrity? Maybe um, Balls?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#87 - what is too retarded for words is that Moyers posed as an objective reporter for years at the taxpayer’s expense when he’s nothing more than mouthpiece for the radical left and now terrorist. Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — August 26, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Spoken like a true armchair soldier Republican coward who would gladly vote against his own best interests for the benefit of the effete and morally bankrupt Republican Power Elite.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWhen was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Remember those words the next time a Democrat is called to testify under oath. Using that logic no one would ever testify since no one would ever admit guilt.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:31 pmChris Wallace writes:
‘Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church.’
Chris Wallace’s lazy, unforgivable “journalism†reminds me of when Greg Palast tried to get CBS to help investigate GOP institutional voter fraud in Florida’s 2000 election:
‘“The next day I received a call from the (CBS) producer, who said, “I’m sorry, but your story didn’t hold up.†Well, how did the multibillion-dollar CBS network determine this? Why, “we called Jeb Bush’s office.†Oh. And that was it.â€â€™
http://www.gregpalast.com/ silence-of-the-media-lambs-the-election-story-never-told/
Chris Wallace: Just another in a long string of highly paid Corporate Media propaganda shills for the morally bankrupt Republican Party.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAND WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DEGREE AGAIN??????????
When was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Holy crap!
Beam me up Scotty……….there is no intelligent life on this site!
Comment by Zed Lefflin
Where did YOU get YOUR “law degree”?
When Congress SUBPOENAS, that is NOT an INVITATION, regardless of the “advice” of one’s attorney.
there is no intelligent life on this site
And YOU are the PROOF.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAnother fundamental lesson of Journalism 101 used to be not simply accepting a source’s assertions at face value, but checking with independent, third-party sources to confirm. Sadly, Chris Wallace is hardly the only “journalist” who has abandoned this principle. Wallace felt comfortable and righteous in expressing his pathetic indignation because his behavior is not an aberration in the news media. On the contrary, it’s the norm.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#91,
First off good effort at English, secondly O.K. he was wrong….and? It’s difficult finding the truth among constant contradictions.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmWallace is from the school of if it is said by a Rethug, it must be true and if it is said by a Democrat, it can’t be true. He drank the kool-aid a long time ago.
Just because Karl Rove told him he is religious, doesn’t necessarily make it true. He should have asked Rove which church he attends and how often. That is “reporting 101″.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmWhen was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Ha ha ha. If you read the logic of this statement again it literally smacks you in the face. What Zed Lefflin is suggesting is that someone would only allow themself to testify under oath if they were guilty. Ha ha ha. That’s how we can determine guilty/innocence in the future… those that testify under oath are clearly guilty since the innocent ones will refuse.
I thought the Republican mantra was the opposite… if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from eavesdropping/search/seizure/stuff like that. Why doesn’t that apply to Rove et al?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pm” Do you have a problem with that? I do.
http://www.townhall.com/ columnists/ billoreilly/ bo20021123.shtml
Comment by Brassmask”
What I have a problem with is your quoting something that Bill O’Reilly says and putting it forth as the truth.
I feel sorry for you and your ilk. You are going to be in a world of hurt in January 2009.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pmthe real joke here is that chris wallace is trading on his father’s name, even though he’s a legacy entrant into traditional media via his step father bill leonard, the eventual president of cbs news (leonard got him his first job as an assistant to walter kronkite).
must be nice to get a high profile slot like that when you’re just starting out in such a competitive field.
conversely, moyers worked his way up as a cub reporter.
finally,
Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
and cowardice is making hilarious and idiotic threats on a comments section of a blog.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pm#91
Moyers will always be twice the reporter Wallace is, and ten times the man you are (assuming you’re a man).
Thanks to Moyers, I’ve doubled my annual pledge to PBS and look forward to the Journal every Friday to learn more about my country in an hour than I could get from six years of watching Faux News.
Personally, I think Rove left because Bush needed to find himself a fresh bottom-bitch to sing his praises, such as they are.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Provide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
Comment by Brassmask”
Provide one piece of evidence that Rove has ever told the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmDave C,
Careful, you’re using logic, that is to conserv666atives as garlic is to vampires.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:41 pmRemember those words the next time a Democrat is called to testify under oath. Using that logic no one would ever testify since no one would ever admit guilt.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Oh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat” can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat” that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
Understand?
If Rove has committed a crime he should be charged……
To date that has not happened………
If you have information that a crime has been committed and you can PROVE it then lets here it……………Im sure the Democrats at the justice department will be all ears…………….
August 26th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBrassmask:
Stephen Hayes? Are you kidding me? He is Leni Reifenstahl in a Brooks Brothers suit. I think you can literally get his book about the Sadam al Qaeda connection for 2 cents on e-bay.
I think Bill Moyers is a blessing — and I am a non beleiver just like Rove.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:46 pmLeo Strauss, the Godfather of the Neo-con movement, expoused an inner and outer church. The leadership are athiest and give orders to the mass followers, who are expected to be devout religious adherents.
This is just Rove bleating reassurance to the dupes that make up the second-tier drones of the movement. Being a true believer in any religion would be contrary to Struassian teachings.
He is lying, which isn’t news.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmactually, it is now known that rove has been directly involved in violations of the hatch act, which is a federal crime.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmHa ha ha. If you read the logic of this statement again it literally smacks you in the face. What Zed Lefflin is suggesting is that someone would only allow themself to testify under oath if they were guilty. Ha ha ha. That’s how we can determine guilty/innocence in the future… those that testify under oath are clearly guilty since the innocent ones will refuse.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
What was the name of your firm again…..?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat†can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat†that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
I have no idea why you do this? Each post only confirms that you don’t have a clue. I imagine that you could (and YOU would) make the case that every time the opposition calls you to testify that they’re doing it solely for political motives. So you would never testify. So in your world a politician would & should never testify under oath. Karl won’t testify because he’s guilty. And you support that as a reason not to testify. That’s the political motive… to prove his guilt.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pmWhat was the name of your firm again…..?
One doesn’t need to be a lawyer to shoot massive holes in your logic. You don’t believe an innocent person should testify under oath. Since everyone is innocent until proven guilty you accept that no one would ever testify under oath.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:53 pmOh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat†can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat†that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
Understand?
If Rove has committed a crime he should be charged……
To date that has not happened………
If you have information that a crime has been committed and you can PROVE it then lets here it……………Im sure the Democrats at the justice department will be all ears…………….
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007
Really?? So, if Congress SUBPOENAS any citizen, he or she can just REFUSE, right?
Of course, doing so means they can be held in Contempt of Congress.
By the way, the Hatch Act was violated, but again Bush CRIMINALS are REFUSING to turn over the emails.
And Rove was ONE OF SEVEN of the TRAITORS, along with Libby and Armitage who exposed our WMD spy, Valerie Plame Wilson, thus SABOTAGING OUR NATIONAL SECRUITY. Libby’s trial showed this.
So, TREASON, Contempt of Congress, and Obstruction of Justice as a start…
So, again, WHERE did YOU get YOUR “law degree”??
And Bush suxx the dixx of Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS of Al Queda.
TREASON is the way of the Bush family, starting with Grampa Prescott.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin?
So Zed, you know for a fact that Bill Moyers has refused to debate these people? And how do you know that.
I am quite sure that if someone set up an independent setting where Bill Moyers could debate any of these known liars, Mr. Moyers would be more than happy to oblige them and annialiate them.
But, I expect you want him to go on O’Lielly’s show so that Bill can control the setting, shout him down and when he can’t shout him down turn off his mike. That is, I am sure, what you would consider to be a “fair and balanced” setting for a debate.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmChris Wallace, you’ve turned out to be an even bigger dick-head than Tony Snow!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmYeah, Wallace is the shining example of “I’ll take your word for it” journalism. What a Hack!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:56 pmFox’s Chris Wallace says”If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. ”
It is interesting how Chris Wallace is so eager to take Karl Rove’s words as the gospel truth while attacking others who are not as right wing…reporting ala Fox’s style.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:57 pmit’s really funny how the new republican standard for whether someone should remain in a public service or appointee post is, ‘well, no crime was committed.’
try that with your boss sometime. most employers want a higher standard for their employees than simply not a criminal. and we as american voters and taxpayers should demand only the best and the brightest.
sorry, but the best and the brightest aren’t trying to pass the level of criminality test. that shouldn’t even come up.
quit arguing for mediocrity as the bar.
next time anyone accuses liberals of moral relativism i’m throwing karl rove, alberto gonzales and scooter libby in their faces.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“Yeah, Wallace is the shining example of “I’ll take your word for it†journalism. What a Hack!
Comment by candideinn”
The problem is he will only take your word for it if you are a Rethug. If you are a Democrat, he will question your integrity and your patriotism.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
TP, idiots, fools that run this website, Karl Rove gave an answer, he is an Episcopelian. Moyers didn’t go to the source! Karl Rove!
Your problem is that you believe other sources, LIberal news papers, who never spoke directly to Karl Rove!!!!
how pathetic, small, stupid, and ridiculous of TP and its Liberal wingnuts
August 26th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI have no idea why you do this? Each post only confirms that you don’t have a clue. I imagine that you could (and YOU would) make the case that every time the opposition calls you to testify that they’re doing it solely for political motives. So you would never testify. So in your world a politician would & should never testify under oath. Karl won’t testify because he’s guilty. And you support that as a reason not to testify. That’s the political motive… to prove his guilt.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
You are using Keith Olbermanns favorite method of lying…..lying by omission.
I said “depending on the circumstances” guilt or innocence has nothing to do with testifying since congress can not CHARGE ANYONE WITH A CRIME.
NOW…TELL ME WHAT THE WORD USED BY CONGRESS IS WHEN THEY THINK A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED AND WANTS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ACTION.
If you do not know you have no clue what you are talking about or how the process works.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:02 pmI don’t mind if someone is a Christian. Everybody has their own personal take on God and religion. What I do mind is someone saying that they read the Bible or pray ceremoniously to prove their devotion. I’d rather see someone prove it by following the principles of Christianity. Rove does not and has never.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmBill Moyers is not a journalist.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmActions speak louder than words. What Rove and Bush has done to this country will take years to recover.M.L.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
Only 26%-er azz-likkers of WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Bush believe LIARS like O’Reilly, Chris Wallace, Rush, Coulter, etc…
They are not even “journalists”, just propaganda-and-hate spewers….
August 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#125,
Man, you are really accomplished at name calling, take anybodys lunch money today? What are you eight years old?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pm“Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin?
So Zed, you know for a fact that Bill Moyers has refused to debate these people? And how do you know that.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 26, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
#90 Watch!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:07 pmgeonorth,
Bingo!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe moonbats here at TP listen to whatever their Leftarded masters tell them. In other words, TP moonbats can not think for themselves. This means that one anti-American propaganda artist drags the moonbats here at TP with treasonous lies. In other words, TP moonbats are brain-dead dittoheads.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
Only 26%-er azz-likkers of WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Bush believe LIARS like O’Reilly, Chris Wallace, Rush, Coulter, etc…
They are not even “journalistsâ€, just propaganda-and-hate spewers….
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
As I said, only the lunatic left wing moonbats believe TP-(a bunch of crazed out left wing youngens) and Moyers and a small minded left wing fool.
Poor Liberals, Karl Rove gave an answer that proves Moyers is a pathetic liar and the left goes crazy. Poor little, pathetic liberals.
Hey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
stupid blind left wing lunatic. I pity the left, a bunch of hate-america, hateful little ignorant rats.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#125,
Man, you are really accomplished at name calling, take anybodys lunch money today? What are you eight years old?
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
There is not point in debating with Left wing lunatics that believe anyone and everything as long as it bashes Bush, bashes Rove, bashes anything right-wing.
the best thing you can do with left wing lunatics as yourself and others is make fun of them, call them names and get them all upset. You know, play with their tiny little minds with IQs below 80.
why waste valuable debating time on irrational left wing moonbats, right? better to have fun and belittle left wing rats.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
Hey TRAITOR azz-likker, did YOU know that YOUR TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of a “president” is DESPISED throughout the WORLD?
With the exception of the Saudi TERRORIST financiers of Al Queda, who LOVE this PUNK coxucker TRAITOR to the USA??
And how about O’Reilly, eh?? HIDES the FRONT-PAGE story about the JFK “terrorist attacks” and then RANTS that the NYT didn’t print it?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIt comes to a simple….
who do I believe, Moyers and the left wing liberal newspapers that are out to destroy Karl Rove and the Bush administration, or Karl Rove.
I think I rather take my chances with Karl Rove when he claims he is an Episcopelian and records shows that his biggest charity contributions go to the church he attends.
Don’t worry, I expect it from Liberal small minded fools to not follow up on anything and to hate with a deep passion anyone that doesn’t agree with left wing pathetic, stupid, small minded ideology.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIt comes to a simple….
who do I believe, Moyers and the left wing liberal newspapers that are out to destroy Karl Rove and the Bush administration, or Karl Rove.
Of COURSE you would believe a TRAITOR like Rove!!
Because YOU are a TRAITOR who likks the azhole of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
TRAITORS like YOU and Bush and Rove and Cheney and Gonzo
August 26th, 2007 at 4:17 pmare all alike.
the discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
Hey TRAITOR azz-likker, did YOU know that YOUR TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of a “president†is DESPISED throughout the WORLD?
With the exception of the Saudi TERRORIST financiers of Al Queda, who LOVE this PUNK coxucker TRAITOR to the USA??
And how about O’Reilly, eh?? HIDES the FRONT-PAGE story about the JFK “terrorist attacks†and then RANTS that the NYT didn’t print it?
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
As I said, left wing moonbats are not worth debating with. Just point at them and laugh at their immense stupidity and hate. How small minded of Liberals.
Poor little aRn Gunnutes, so much hate, so much ignorance, such a small brain with such a tiny IQ.
Careful ARn Gunnutes, Karl Rove is out to get you!! better keep that tin foil hat on! Bush will read your mind and put you in a concentration camp if you take your tin foil hat off….AHHHHHH!!!!!!!
run, the Repuiblicans are going to get you!!!! run, run, run!!!!! NO, NO!! the other way, O’REilly is waiting for you there and he will get you!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
it is so fun to play with the tiny minds of Liberals……
BOO!!!!! Rightwinger behind you!!! hahahahaha!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmBut, I expect you want him to go on O’Lielly’s show so that Bill can control the setting, shout him down and when he can’t shout him down turn off his mike. That is, I am sure, what you would consider to be a “fair and balanced†setting for a debate.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 26, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Wow! Your clairvoyance is amazing…..have you used it for financial gain at anytime? Oh, didn’t I see you on professional poker tour last week?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmSettle down Arn…………your losing it again……………..
August 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmAugust 26th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
the discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Send them back to Freeperville and Hotair where they belong…don’t feed these trolls.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pmthe discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! poor idiotic Liberals, how they cry and whine when they are treated with the same contempt that they treat anyone from the right!
hey, I am only using left wing tactics, if you don’t like it, ask your retarded left wing rats to respect those they disagree with, I mean since supposedly left wingers are such open minded, tolerant people, right?
If you are going to speak about lowering the discourse and the level of hate, look at your party, left wing ideology first, starting with this entry from TP who rather believe Moyers and left wing newspapers than Karl Rove when it comes to his personal life.
how pathetic and small of the left, they always cry and whine when they are treated the same way that they treat people they disagree with.
what a bunch of sad, very sad hypocrites.
just remember left wingers, you get what you give. You hateful, small minded rats treat people from the right with contempt and hate, don’t cry when you are treated the same way. YOu want respect, give it!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pmthere’s really something embarrassing about supporting someone you know is wrong. that would pretty much explain the low congress ratings: we elected them to do a job and they haven’t gotten it done.
deomcrats expect their leaders to be accountable. the low ratings reflect the disappointment dems have in their leaders.
now bush, on the other hand, gets loyal support from republicans no matter what law he breaks or what new failure he has accomplished. that’s embarrassing. it must be humiliating to have to hold your nose and still act like you support a complete failure.
don’t worry, i’m sure you’ll just lash out angrily and call us names.
it’s ok, really. we know why you’re so angry.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pmthe discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
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You might be confused, as the leftist moonbats here are incoherent. It is the TPers who are calling names, not the conservatives.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pm136,
Man don’t you have everyone pigeonholed. I’m a 46 year old male Firefighter/Medic for twenty years, prior to that served in the military. Have an IQ of 120+ and you don’t get me “all upset”.
How have you served your country? Obviously not as an English teacher.
I really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI think Lewnsky is Malkin…she’s trollin’ again. LOL
August 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmi believe we’ve found the new spokesperson for the gop.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pmUmmm, because the nation wants us out of Iraq, but the GOP refuses to listen. They will finally get it come the next election - the obstructionists will learn a hard learned lesson.
Why are you trolling here, board with your lunatic comrades over at HotAir? LOL
Comment by Ash — August 26, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe AirHeadAmericas rants and Keith Olbermann’s rants and believe that the REpublican party is so powerful, believe it little Ash….
all I have to do is point at you and laugh at how the left wingers use small minded rats like you to push their agenda.
Amazing how Liberals never talked about the Democratic party being an obstructionist party while the GOP was the majority. Now that the Democratic party doesn’t have the guts, balls, and leadership to get their job done they cry about obstruction.
man, the sad part is that you left wingers swallow the left wing propaganda faster than Lewinsky swallowed Clinton’s c….m.
I am embarrased for you, I truly am.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
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You can feel however you want. Just know this, your god “Allah” and his “prophet” Mohammad lied to you. Your savage Islamic religion is doomed to fail.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmi believe we’ve found the new spokesperson for the gop.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
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TP,
It made me a Republican!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pm136,
Man don’t you have everyone pigeonholed. I’m a 46 year old male Firefighter/Medic for twenty years, prior to that served in the military. Have an IQ of 120+ and you don’t get me “all upsetâ€.
How have you served your country? Obviously not as an English teacher.
I really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Ahhh….didn’t upset you? I got under your skin enough for you to reveal personal crap about yourself, which more likely than not, you have made it up. Don’t worry, most Liberals like you love making crap up. You do know that playing with yoru GI JOes is not being in the military, right? and pushing around your mommy’s firefighter toy truck doesn’t make you a fireman, right? Just making sure, you LIbtards get quite confused sometimes.
oh and about my writing here, i write in a manner that matches the IQ level of the left wing tards that post on here. If i write any better, the left wing tards won’t understand.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:27 pm152,
Up your dose.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:27 pmman, the sad part is that you left wingers swallow the left wing propaganda faster than Lewinsky swallowed Clinton’s c….m.
I am embarrased for you, I truly am.
Comment by Lewnsky
The REALLY SAD PART is that you azlickers of TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK
swallow Rove’s and Rush’s propaganda
FASTER THAN TRAITOR Bush swallowed “Jeff Gannon”’s c..m
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmAnd why should we or any real American even bother to believe anything Karl Rove says about his personal life…the guy is a liar, plain and simple. LOL
The fact that you believe he is honest and would tell the truth about his faith is hilarious, LOL.
Can you really be that stupid? Instaed of trolling here you should be taking a fearless inventory of your ignorance…LOL.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmYou might be confused, as the leftist moonbats here are incoherent. It is the TPers who are calling names, not the conservatives.
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican — August 26, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Well, I am calling these poor souls names, which really aren’t names. When you speak the truth about someone, it is not name calling, right?
Poor left wingers, they go on a hate rant against any right winger that posts on here and then they cry when they are treated the same way.
poor little left wingers…..how sad of them. poor hypocrites. Not name calling, just speaking the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pm154,
Live anywhere near Dallas, you can come visit me at the fire station, a good neutral place.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmChris Wallace, you aren’t qualified to lick Bill Moyers shoes. What an idiot! You are probably too dumb to be embarassed when you find out reporting 101 says you have verify your sources. And there is plenty of evidence that the only source you relied on is a verified liar.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmTPmademeaRepublican,
so wallace can go after moyers for claiming rove is agnostic without asking him, and here on this very thread you can baselessly accuse someone of worshiping allah without asking them.
that’s what they call hypocrisy.
oh, i forgot iokiyar.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pm154,
Bring your clock, I’ll clean it.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmDavid Vitter, the “family values” expert,
bought LOTS OF NEW DIAPERS and DILDOS in the Baghdad Market.
He was SO EXCITED!!
Vitter: Allahu Akbar, y’all!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pm