Claiming He Failed ‘Reporting 101,’ Wallace Attacks Moyers To Defend Rove
Claiming He Failed ‘Reporting 101,’ Wallace Attacks Moyers To Defend Rove
On Friday August 17, PBS’s Bill Moyers criticized Karl Rove for cynically invoking God and Christianity for political purposes while telling others that he is an agnostic, calling him “a skeptic, a secular manipulator.”
Two days later, when Rove appeared on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked him to take on Moyers’ criticism. “I’m a Christian. I go to church. I’m an Episcopalian,” responded Rove. “You know, Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit better research before he does another drive-by slander.”
Earlier this week, Moyers argued that Wallace shouldn’t have taken Rove’s “every word as gospel,” but instead, should have challenged Rove’s assertion with other sources who report that he is an agnostic. On Fox News Sunday this morning, Wallace responded to Moyers’ rebuke, saying Moyers failed to do “reporting 101″:
Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church. Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Watch it:
While taking Rove’s “word as gospel,” Wallace completely disregards the numerous contradictory reports that justify Moyers’ claims:
1) “The White House will miss his indubitable political acumen. What other agnostic could have mobilized hundreds of thousands of conservative Christians behind a political banner?” – San Antonio Express News, [8/14/07]
2) “I could be wrong here, but I distinctly recall conversations with Rove friends who’ve told me that his struggles with faith did not lead him to Jesus Christ. Yet he knew and understood how to interact with (and manipulate, at times) the standard-bearers of the evangelical Right and the Catholic conservative intellectual elite…..” – The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder, [8/13/07]
3) “[Rove] told his friend Bill Israel years ago that he was agnostic and that ‘he wished he could believe, but he cannot.’” – James Moore, co-author of Rove bio, Bush’s Brain, [8/13/07]
4) “Rove once told a colleague that he had no religious affiliation and was ‘not a Christian.’” – James Moore and Wayne Slater in Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential.
Additionally, journalist Christopher Hitchens has said he’s learned that “Karl Rove is not a believer.”
Moyers has not said whether he attempted to contact Rove. Still, there is a solid basis for his claims. Wallace never challenged Rove with any of the contradictory accounts of his faith, instead just blindly accepting what he said. As any reporter knows, healthy skepticism is also part of “reporting 101.”
Transcript:
CHRIS WALLACE: Time for some mail, one letter from liberal commentator Bill Moyers. You may remember in my interview with Karl Rove last Sunday, I asked him about a Moyers statement that Rove is an agnostic who manipulated the Christian right for political gain. Moyers quotes he ought to do better research. Bill Moyers sent me this letter which he posted on his website. He quoted four print stories for his contention that Rove is agnostic. None of which offer any proof other than what Rove supposedly told colleagues over the years. Moyers wrote this:BILL MOYERS: Obviously, Rove wanted to blow smoke because his version of reality is undermined by his own previous statements and by the reporting and analysis of journalists who have done their home work and don’t take his every word as gospel — no pun intended.
CHRIS WALLACE: Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church. Of course, you never called Rove. That’s reporting 101, but it would have gotten in the way of a tasty story line about a non-believer flimflamming the Christian right. I guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
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August 26th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThat was hilarious!!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pmFox Comedy Channel is the best.
if rove reads a devotional every day then i am jesus christ.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:17 pmI apologize to all agnostics/atheists that have to share air / beliefs with this thing. I join you in my mourning.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:18 pmMoyers’ production company, Public Affairs Television, gets paid by PBS, but it is unclear how much since PBS will not say. In return for the compensation, he does a weekly commentary program and some documentaries.
But here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,” Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/billoreilly/bo20021123.shtml
August 26th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAs a devout agnostic, I apologize to the entire planet for the existence of Rove amongst us.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI guess, Bill, reporting is easier when you don’t worry about the facts.
Well, you are the one who works for Fox “News”, Chris. You should know how easy it is to “report” when you have little or no use for facts.
That accusation, coming from you, almost sounds like a bad joke.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:25 pmMaybe Bush is KKKarl’s god.
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August 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pmArrrrghhhhh!!!! TP won’t let me comment!
This one says absolutely NOTHING, so it will go through.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou cannot win a debate with a man like Rove arguing over this issue.
Not because he is right or wrong, but because he is accustomed to inject politics in every word he uses…Whether Moyer right or wrong,Rove is not going to say or admit on a major television network that he was ‘agnostic’.
He will argue with Moyer ’till the end of time…because he is a political strategist..and he knows how to play the media very well. Playing the media well is an asset, not just to Rove, but all these so called political strategists.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhat would have been the value of asking Rove anything? Either he would lie or he would have forgotten the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:33 pmProvide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:34 pmStupid blog software!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:34 pmJim Webb, Clare McKaskal, Jon Tester and Bob Casey are all conservative Republicans. And I welcome them to our team.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by tarazan — August 26, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
I agree that you won’t win in a debate with Rove, but only because of the formats in which he agrees to do it. I do not believe, for example, that you will ever get him for an unlimited amount of time to sit and pry at him until you eventually get him to admit somethign he didn’t want to admit. You’re not going to get him for three hours so you can air an eight-minute segment. He would never allow that, because he knows how such an interview could get manipulated. But, go on a talk-show where you’re there for seven or eight minutes to fill six-and-a-half or seven minutes, and you can stall and brush off what you don’t want to slip on. Rove may have been raised as an Episcopalian, but that doesn’t mean he still is one today. And if he does go to church, I’m sure it’s with the president.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pmMATT, FIX THIS DAMN BLOG!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pmRose, pull in those talons.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:42 pmStupid blog software!
Comment by gummitch
We should all stop posting until TP gets this posting problem fixed. Let the trolls chew on each other; if that’s what TP wants (which seems apparent, since they haven’t fixed it after months of complaints). We should let the threads get choked with troll ad hominems until TP fixes it for real.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pmYeah. Matt. I want to hear what Rose Tyler has to say! Can anybody at TP explain why our name fields go null all the time and we lose posts for no reason? It’s puts your site on the “undesireable list” when that kind of thing continues to happen. Do you even know WHY it happens? Or are we just going to keep being asked for one more Friedman Unit to see improvement?
August 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pmTest
August 26th, 2007 at 12:50 pmKarl Rove is the perfect example for the word hypocrite.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIt isn’t possible to compare the journalistic skills of Bill Moyers and those on Fox Noise because Moyers is the only one in this discussion who has any. He is the only person in this discussion with any intelligence, credibility and character.
So a Fox News hack criticizes one of the greatest journalists of our time. What a pathetic loser.
August 26th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI seem to remember a call for name/alias registration. Would that not prove useful for everyone? Those of us loyal to this site, who bring substance to the dialogue would certainly prefer it, and perhaps the obstructionist trolls cowering behind multiple names would search for greener pastures elsewhere. Those with authentic disagreement and a civil tongue would, I suspect, have no objection to registration.
I submit that the need for registration is more urgent than ever. Please consider it, TP.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pmActually, it is a tossup between Karl Rove and George Bush who is the better example of the word “Hypocrite”. They both take it to a new, much higher level.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:05 pmFAUX Noise Channel
August 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pm\
Enough said!!
Reporting 101 is now an option for journalism. Required courses are Etiquette 1A, maximizing unnamed sources, Etiquette 1B, Dining on your sources buck and Cost/Benefit Analysis 101,, using administration talking points as reporting allowing more free time for applying what you learned from Etiquette 1B.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMatthews thinks Rove would never lie about something like this? He doesn’t know Rove very well.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHo hum,
August 26th, 2007 at 1:11 pmAnother Christian that goes to church on Sunday and sells used cars, worthless insurance and preemptive war Monday thru Saturday.
i mean what situation is bush in? hes with the back against the wall and is loosing. now rove just jumped off the bandwagon.So its pretty plain to see that rove cant lead the republicans into another election with bushes back against the wall in a very bad – iraq – situation. So hes agnostic. I mean u dont have to be einstein to maintain this.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:13 pmExpecting a Fox News “journalist” to challenge a right wing interviewee’s assertions with other sources?
You might as well expect an elephant to fly. It’s just never going to happen.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI don’t understand why my post are being filtered. No curses, no harassing anyone, and am actually on topic for a change.
Maybe I need to go on psychotic, insulting, baboon-like screeches (a la Mr. P) for my posts to make it through and stay up.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:17 pmRove probably selected the “religious cover” of Epsicopalian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America
August 26th, 2007 at 1:18 pmsince it meshes so cleanly with a human supreme just like the Unitary Executive.
Bush as potentate is what Rove wants. So, Episcopalian is the closest thing. Maybe someone should ask Rove to take the Oath of citizenship for the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_citizenship_%28United_States%29
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
I loved hearing Max Cleland on CNN this morning respond to something that Karl Rove had said by saying he knew Rove was lying because ‘his lips were moving’ with a big smile on his face. It was priceless. There was a big pause and Blitzer asked again if he wanted to respond further and Cleland said no, he didn’t need to say more.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBrassmask,
I have no problem with it whatsoever. Of all of our money being spent by our government whatever we spend for one small slice of non-spinned truth is worth every penny.
The Bush crime family has rotted and corrupted our country far better than our enemies could ever have hoped to, thank God someone is telling the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:20 pmThe second part doesn’t matter. You should always contact sources, especially the subject of your paper/show. Human sources trump second hand information any day. Unless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYeah, I too would take offence at the suggestion that Rove has lied.
/sarcasm off
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmI’ll go with my instincts on this one:
Nobody can work with others to:
participate in the planned wholesale slaughter of up to a million people
argue war based on lies
displace millions of people from their homes
orchestrate the smearing of war heros to win an election
put out the welcome mat at the White House door for male whores
…and be a believer in anything except power and money.
I look forward to the day when this pathetic, lying mass of fat becomes worm meat.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmChris Wallace…Journalism school…WTF?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Moyers has not said whether he attempted to contact Rove. Still, there is still a solid basis for his claims.
The second part doesn’t matter. You should always contact sources, especially the subject of your paper/show. Human sources trump second hand information any day. Unless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
Comment by Lesly — August 26, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Rove has made public statements as to his religiosity, no contact was needed. Moyers was making a clean journalistic summation from the OTHER sources, no need to re-hash what Rove has lied to already. The point is that Rove is out of the equation, now we need objective measures of religiosity, not more of Rove’s lies.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:25 pmUnless Moyers was speaking about these articles he should’ve called Rove.
What would be the value of asking a pathological liar anything? He might as well start the interview by asking Rove if he’s a pathological liar.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI like Moyers. But I don’t like talking about other people’s faith or lack thereof. He should have expected this.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pmAs for Rove? Wasn’t he dropped off on the side of the road by his parents? Something like that? Rove is hardly a role model.
TEST
August 26th, 2007 at 1:27 pmBut here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,†Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
The illogic of this post is bizarre. Bill Moyers earns money from his work. So what? Do you hate capitalism, Brassmask?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:29 pmProvide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Looks like we have Karl Rove’s publicist on board.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:30 pmTesting….GRRRRRR. .Great post G Whiz and all…Blessings
August 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pmAh yes, Chris Wallace. Coming from the son of an adulterous tv cue card reader, that’s rich.
If Chrissy hadn’t had pappy Mike (like Georgy W) paving the way for him, he might have had to actually work for a change. As it is, he still ended up on Faux News.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pmRove doesn’t lie:
“I didn’t know her name. I didn’t leak her name,” Rove told CNN last year when asked if he had anything to do with the Plame leak.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pmchris wallace once asked me about my royal lineage. i told him i was the king of poland. for some reason MY word wasnt good enough.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pmGuido, Lover, OBGYN,
A persons faith is fair game when you are beaten over the head with it daily as an explanation of why their cause is “just”, it’s total horsesh*t and in fact anti-Christian… that whole bearing false witness thing. There should be more light shed on the supreme hypocrisy of their evil, not less.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pmBrassmask, your time is over. I suggest you start getting used to it. Karl Rove has caused enormous damage to the longterm prospects of the Republican party. You can spew all the propaganda and lies you want here and it won’t make any difference. Your party won’t be protecting Rove after the devastation of the GOP in the coming elections. Rove will be a persona non grata, and the chances of him going to prison are high. I have no doubt whatsoever that many decent conservative Republicans working at DOJ are biding their time to reestablish the rule of law with a vengeance, and they will be gunning for Rove’s head when the Bush crime family loses control.
By the way, Stephen Hayes and the rest of the gang at The Weekly Standard are psychotic nuts and sociopathic liars.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:36 pmRove telling the truth about relegion….This from a lier’s brain.. The war monging, pig…..Ah yes, this is the rove we remember saying the base he wooed and got to join these insane one’s in the adminitration were “lunatic’s, fundies and crack pot’s “when laughing about the people that supported him and his drunk druggie pupett….Unbelievable insanety….Or believable satenism…..Blessings
August 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmDidn’t Mike Wallace finally get fed up with his son Chris and disown him? I remember something like that over the last year or so..
August 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmBut here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,†Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Did you hate the Barney revolution too. They got PBS money and made billions off of Barney. And Sesame Street? In your eff’d up world, the government is only allowed to set the stage for whorporations to make money off the sick, injured and dying.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#52
Didn’t Mike Wallace finally get fed up with his son Chris and disown him? I remember something like that over the last year or so..
Comment by JG — August 26, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/2006/10/fox-news-personality-chris-wallace.html
It was a joke website.
“Chris Wallace had no comment. However, a spokesperson for Fox News said that Rupert Murdoch has agreed to adopt the younger Wallace who will now be spending the holidays with the Murdoch family.”
August 26th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSo when separate investigative journalism report similar quotes and items from the source, they are to be disregarded in favor of the latest shill who asked the question and was lied to, unchallenged.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmYeah, that’s journalism all right — Fox style.
Karl said he was an Episcopalian (like Poppy Bush) and he would never tell a lie, would he?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTexas Democrat I’d rather cut one of my fingers off than play the holier than though game. I don’t like evangelists knocking on my door telling me to come to their church because it implies there is something wrong with me. And I most certainly don’t want anyone trying to define evil to me. So why would I do the same?
August 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmJust be a better person and beat them on their record. EZ
NOW, I finally see what happened to the Republicans…
http://altair44.blogspot.com/
But for real, here is a great BBC 3 part report that explains the TRUE Neocon movement, and its subversion of rational thought regarding human behavior and how this led them to their wacko Negative Freedom BS.
THE TRAP: WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR DREAM OF FREEDOM?
http://freedocumentaries.org/
August 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pmPart 1 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=152
Part 2 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=153
Part 3 http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=154
Rove is a devout believer in his god. The problem is: Rove’s god is Political Power. So the result is that ANYTHING he does in the pusuit of Political Power is, to him, not merely acceptable, but praiseworthy. Killing thousands of American soldiers along the way is, at a minimum, irrelevant.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThe one thing Karl Rove and I share, we both don’t believe in any gods.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:06 pmBut…but…but… I’m a Christian©! You have to forgive me!
It’s in the rules!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:07 pmHave we not learned anything?
August 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWhy are we even listening to the liars at FOX?
Cris Wallace smeared Bill Moyers. That’s what he gets paid to do.
Besides, when the right-wing has no facts with which to respond, they attack on a personal level.
Whenever we sensationalize another FOX lie, we play into their hands.
Ignore them. Stop watching them. They will go away.
I just finished watching this Bill Moyers Journal segment that aired August 24th. It is about news on Iraq that has fallen through the cracks of the avalanche of stuff the that hits us everday.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:10 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08242007/watch3.html
It is worth watching. Powerful.
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER do an interview with Chris Wallace….well…….um….NO!
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER allow himself to be interviewed by Bill O’Reilly…..well…..um…NO!
What is the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????
Will the great Bill Moyer’s EVER call Rove and ask a direct question….well…um…NO!
Where does the great Bill Moyer’s get his information from….well…he just MAKES IT UP.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:11 pmChris Wallace has trashed and smeared his own dad on the Fox Noise channel. He knows no shame.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:13 pmhttp://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/11/100751.shtml
Guido, Lover, OBGYN,
I appreciate your stance. I believe in live and let live but when I’m clobbered over the head with religion by a government that uses it as justification for actions that are contrary to the very tenets of their supposed beliefs I cant sit Idly by. They frame the argument, I’m merely joining the dialog and calling bullsh*t.
Insofar as defining evil, that is just the conclusion I have come to when I subject this groups actions to my belief system, which coincidentally is supposed to be their belief system, but being as I am a Christian I am not persecuting them just calling for the exposure of their hypocrisy. Satan is the great deceiver.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmFor journalistic contact with Rove see Jeff Gannon. Seriously, I would like to see law enforcement and prosecutors making contact with Rove. Christian or whatever, he should be doing hard time. Criminal.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmA man met another, who was handsome, intelligent, and elegant.He asked him who he was. The other said “I am the Devil.”
“But you cannot be,” said the first man, “for the Devil is evil and ugly.”
“My friend,” said Satan, “you have been listening to my detractors.”
Idries Shah
August 26th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#64 Moyers is a JOURNALIST, and he uses FACTS.
O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric, and are as removed from journalism as anyone in REAL NEWS knows…
And Rove has committed TREASON, and TRAITOR Buxh won’t LET him testify UNDER OATH, just like TRAITOR Bush wouldn’t go UNDER OATH…
August 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIn the same interview with Rove, Rove said it has not yet been determined that Valerie Plame was covert. If he could lie about something so obviously wrong, why would we not suspect he is lying about his religion. Wallace just accepts his word as gospel, no pun intended.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmNo, you guys are repeating the error that Wallace points out. You’re using 3 of 4 dubious sources. PBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmO’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric, and are as removed from journalism as anyone in REAL NEWS knows…
And Rove has committed TREASON, and TRAITOR Buxh won’t LET him testify UNDER OATH, just like TRAITOR Bush wouldn’t go UNDER OATH…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
YOU MAKE MY POINT………..MOYERS SHOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FACE THEM DIRECTLY AND CORRECT THE RECORD….set them straight! Again….whats the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????????
August 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmPBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
Comment by Ken — August 26, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Correct! As I said Moyer’s has been caught any number of times JUST MAKING SHYT UP…………BY HIS OWN PEOPLE NO LESS!
Why is it so hard to accept the truth???????????
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmIf you accept the premise that O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric then you wouldn’t ask the question of why Moyers won’t face them. Why would he? What credibility do they have? And since they have none there’s no reason to meet them. The record has been set straight, they are oblivious to facts & truth & would be in any meeting. O’Reilly will boldly lie about things he said the day before, even when confronted with the lies. To meet with know liars is to act as if their words have meaning.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmDidn’t take “Reporting 101″, but I think journalists actually try to confirm facts by going to multiple sources. Given that Rove is always telling the truth, there would be no need to ask any other questions.
Great reporting Chris!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmPBS’s own ombudsman has wacked Moyers twice in the past two weeks for getting it wrong.
Can you imagine if this kind of thing happened at Fox? If every time Hannity, O’Reilly, Wallace said something that was less then correct were called on it by Fox there would be more time spent backtracking then they spend on the air. You should admire PBS for having an Ombudsman who critiques what PBS airs.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmYOU MAKE MY POINT………..MOYERS SHOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FACE THEM DIRECTLY AND CORRECT THE RECORD….set them straight! Again….whats the great Moyer’s afraid of??????????????????
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
O’Reilly, Wallace and Rove would TURN TAIL rather that be interviewed by or debate a man who uses FACTS.
Tell you what, YOU set up the debates, and I’m sure MOYERS will show.
The other three are COWARDS.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmAnd WHY is the “great” TRAITOR Rove afraid of testifying UNDER OATH and subject to PENALTY OF PERJURY??
Rove is an enemy combatant and deserves no defense from anyone. Off to Gitmo with this Traitor.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmZed Lefflin,
There is no correcting the record, it’s all spin all the time to wrap up those who would try to find truth in constant contradictions. There is a cardiac rhythm that is called A-Fib which is characterized by irregular irregularity, the method employed to diagnose it is to rule out all other possibilities. The current administration is no different, they are consistently inconsistent and cannot be nailed down because other possibilities cannot be eliminated, they rule from the murk, and that is the intention.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhy contact someone (Rove) that you know for an absolute fact is going to look you right in the eyes and LIE?
The only way to acquire anything resembling truth about such a criminal is from several other sources.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmIsn’t that cute? Little Chris Wallace, thinking he’s a — wait for it! — journalist! Heh heh. Beating those little hands in their air railing against one of the great ones. Kissing that flabby pasty horse patoot, front AND back, of Unca Karl! Look at meeee! He says. I AM TOO a journalist! Yes I am! heh heh.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmIf you accept the premise that O’Reilly and Wallace use lies, half-truths, innuendo and rhetoric then you wouldn’t ask the question of why Moyer’s won’t face them. Why would he? What credibility do they have? And since they have none there’s no reason to meet them. Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmO’Reilly, Wallace and Rove would TURN TAIL rather that be interviewed by or debate a man who uses FACTS.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
WRONG AGAIN AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SINCE MOYER’S WOULD NOT APPEAR ON THE FACTOR O’REILLY SENT HIS PRODUCER TO FIND HIM…..HE WAS AMBUSHED IN A PARKING LOT AND ASK WHY HE WOULD NOT APPEAR ON “THE FACTOR” TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT……………..BUT YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE HERE ENGAGING IN “INCESTUOUS AMPLIFICATION”.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWell, at least you ADMIT that O’Reilly, Wallace and Rove have NO BALLS.
Again, WHY won’t Rove TESTIFY UNDER OATH??
Because he is a LIAR and a TRAITOR to the USA?
Yup…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#82,
I don’t think Dave needs to do better than that, I think he’s hit the nail right on the head.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#83
Show us PROOF that Moyers was “invited” on O’Reilly’s show.
Better yet, if you want DEBATE, have the DEBATE in a NEUTRAL forum, certainly not on Fox PROPAGANDA, where they can then EDIT the content.
And didn’t O’Reilly RANT how the NYT didn’t put the JFK “terror plot” on the front page, while FOLDING THE NEWSPAPER, thus HIDING the article that he said they REFUSED to print on Page One???
Yup…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMoyers is a F’IN LIAR!!!! He should be tried and executed for treason. That would be taxpayers dollars well spent.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pm#87
Too retarded for words.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWallace would let Rove tea bag him.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:13 pmShow us PROOF that Moyers was “invited†on O’Reilly’s show.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
This is to easy………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqNt5BHmUIg
You people REALLY dont know whats going on……………WOW! I though you were just pretending to be ignorant.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pm#89 – stop the slander.
#87 – what is too retarded for words is that Moyers posed as an objective reporter for years at the taxpayer’s expense when he’s nothing more than mouthpiece for the radical left and now terrorist. Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmMoyers is a F’IN LIAR!!!! He should be tried and executed for treason. That would be taxpayers dollars well spent.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince
That goes DOUBLE for LIARS and TRAITORS like Bush and Cheney. DEFINITELY would be taxpayer dollars WELL SPENT…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:23 pmYou people REALLY dont know whats going on……………WOW! I though you were just pretending to be ignorant.
Comment by Zed Lefflin
And about Rove’s REFUSAL to testify UNDER OATH?
I guess you just OVERLOOK the TREASON of Rove, Bush, etc…
August 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmUnder Powell’s board of directors, Moyers had all his funding cut by PBS and he left NOW for two years. Today, his programs are entirely paid for by himself and the support of private funders. PBS or NPR contribute not a dime to his program other than broadcasting it. That is why he gets the profits, just like a good capitalist should.
Yeah..HillarywhackedVince…you know a lot. Did you know that Geo. Bush’s grandfather helped fund Hitler’s armament build up until the US government took his bank away? Did you know that Rove and his boys are part of a vast conspiracy to have gays take over the GOP? I mean, its all in black and white. Look at the headlines. And that male prostitute that Rove approved for press conferences!!! Drudge is gay, too, I read on the internet so I know its true. And so is Dick Cheney’s daughter. I am kinda suspicious of Rove’s relationship with number one, but I dont worry about it.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmAnd how about O’Reilly’s LIE about the NYT not printing the story on PAGE ONE???
August 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAgain, WHY won’t Rove TESTIFY UNDER OATH??
Because he is a LIAR and a TRAITOR to the USA?
Yup…
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
AND WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DEGREE AGAIN??????????
When was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Holy crap!
Beam me up Scotty……….there is no intelligent life on this site!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pmCome on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I’d bet Moyers would debate O’Reilly if Karl Rove would testify under oath. What possible reason could Rove have for not being willing to do that? Does he lack integrity? Maybe um, Balls?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#87 – what is too retarded for words is that Moyers posed as an objective reporter for years at the taxpayer’s expense when he’s nothing more than mouthpiece for the radical left and now terrorist. Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
Comment by Hillary Whacked Vince — August 26, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Spoken like a true armchair soldier Republican coward who would gladly vote against his own best interests for the benefit of the effete and morally bankrupt Republican Power Elite.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pmWhen was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Remember those words the next time a Democrat is called to testify under oath. Using that logic no one would ever testify since no one would ever admit guilt.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:31 pmChris Wallace writes:
‘Well, to save on postage, Bill, here’s my response. If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. If you had talked to Rove as I did, you would have found out he reads a devotional every day and the biggest charitable contribution he ever made was to his church.’
Chris Wallace’s lazy, unforgivable “journalism†reminds me of when Greg Palast tried to get CBS to help investigate GOP institutional voter fraud in Florida’s 2000 election:
‘“The next day I received a call from the (CBS) producer, who said, “I’m sorry, but your story didn’t hold up.†Well, how did the multibillion-dollar CBS network determine this? Why, “we called Jeb Bush’s office.†Oh. And that was it.â€â€™
http://www.gregpalast.com/silence-of-the-media-lambs-the-election-story-never-told/
Chris Wallace: Just another in a long string of highly paid Corporate Media propaganda shills for the morally bankrupt Republican Party.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAND WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DEGREE AGAIN??????????
When was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Holy crap!
Beam me up Scotty……….there is no intelligent life on this site!
Comment by Zed Lefflin
Where did YOU get YOUR “law degree”?
When Congress SUBPOENAS, that is NOT an INVITATION, regardless of the “advice” of one’s attorney.
there is no intelligent life on this site
And YOU are the PROOF.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmAnother fundamental lesson of Journalism 101 used to be not simply accepting a source’s assertions at face value, but checking with independent, third-party sources to confirm. Sadly, Chris Wallace is hardly the only “journalist” who has abandoned this principle. Wallace felt comfortable and righteous in expressing his pathetic indignation because his behavior is not an aberration in the news media. On the contrary, it’s the norm.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pm#91,
First off good effort at English, secondly O.K. he was wrong….and? It’s difficult finding the truth among constant contradictions.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmWallace is from the school of if it is said by a Rethug, it must be true and if it is said by a Democrat, it can’t be true. He drank the kool-aid a long time ago.
Just because Karl Rove told him he is religious, doesn’t necessarily make it true. He should have asked Rove which church he attends and how often. That is “reporting 101″.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmWhen was the last time you allowed yourself to be deposed for a crime you did not commit OR was never charged AND against the advice of you attorney?
Ha ha ha. If you read the logic of this statement again it literally smacks you in the face. What Zed Lefflin is suggesting is that someone would only allow themself to testify under oath if they were guilty. Ha ha ha. That’s how we can determine guilty/innocence in the future… those that testify under oath are clearly guilty since the innocent ones will refuse.
I thought the Republican mantra was the opposite… if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from eavesdropping/search/seizure/stuff like that. Why doesn’t that apply to Rove et al?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pm” Do you have a problem with that? I do.
http://www.townhall.com/ columnists/ billoreilly/ bo20021123.shtml
Comment by Brassmask”
What I have a problem with is your quoting something that Bill O’Reilly says and putting it forth as the truth.
I feel sorry for you and your ilk. You are going to be in a world of hurt in January 2009.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pmthe real joke here is that chris wallace is trading on his father’s name, even though he’s a legacy entrant into traditional media via his step father bill leonard, the eventual president of cbs news (leonard got him his first job as an assistant to walter kronkite).
must be nice to get a high profile slot like that when you’re just starting out in such a competitive field.
conversely, moyers worked his way up as a cub reporter.
finally,
Treason is aiding the enemy in war and he should be killed for it.
and cowardice is making hilarious and idiotic threats on a comments section of a blog.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pm#91
Moyers will always be twice the reporter Wallace is, and ten times the man you are (assuming you’re a man).
Thanks to Moyers, I’ve doubled my annual pledge to PBS and look forward to the Journal every Friday to learn more about my country in an hour than I could get from six years of watching Faux News.
Personally, I think Rove left because Bush needed to find himself a fresh bottom-bitch to sing his praises, such as they are.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pm“Provide one piece of evidence that Rove ever lied, Dave C.
Comment by Brassmask”
Provide one piece of evidence that Rove has ever told the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmDave C,
Careful, you’re using logic, that is to conserv666atives as garlic is to vampires.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:41 pmRemember those words the next time a Democrat is called to testify under oath. Using that logic no one would ever testify since no one would ever admit guilt.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Oh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat” can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat” that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
Understand?
If Rove has committed a crime he should be charged……
To date that has not happened………
If you have information that a crime has been committed and you can PROVE it then lets here it……………Im sure the Democrats at the justice department will be all ears…………….
August 26th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBrassmask:
Stephen Hayes? Are you kidding me? He is Leni Reifenstahl in a Brooks Brothers suit. I think you can literally get his book about the Sadam al Qaeda connection for 2 cents on e-bay.
I think Bill Moyers is a blessing — and I am a non beleiver just like Rove.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:46 pmLeo Strauss, the Godfather of the Neo-con movement, expoused an inner and outer church. The leadership are athiest and give orders to the mass followers, who are expected to be devout religious adherents.
This is just Rove bleating reassurance to the dupes that make up the second-tier drones of the movement. Being a true believer in any religion would be contrary to Struassian teachings.
He is lying, which isn’t news.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmactually, it is now known that rove has been directly involved in violations of the hatch act, which is a federal crime.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmHa ha ha. If you read the logic of this statement again it literally smacks you in the face. What Zed Lefflin is suggesting is that someone would only allow themself to testify under oath if they were guilty. Ha ha ha. That’s how we can determine guilty/innocence in the future… those that testify under oath are clearly guilty since the innocent ones will refuse.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
What was the name of your firm again…..?
August 26th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat†can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat†that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
I have no idea why you do this? Each post only confirms that you don’t have a clue. I imagine that you could (and YOU would) make the case that every time the opposition calls you to testify that they’re doing it solely for political motives. So you would never testify. So in your world a politician would & should never testify under oath. Karl won’t testify because he’s guilty. And you support that as a reason not to testify. That’s the political motive… to prove his guilt.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:52 pmWhat was the name of your firm again…..?
One doesn’t need to be a lawyer to shoot massive holes in your logic. You don’t believe an innocent person should testify under oath. Since everyone is innocent until proven guilty you accept that no one would ever testify under oath.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:53 pmOh man…….why do I do this…….that “Democrat†can chose NOT to testify. His attorney or counsel will advise him to testify or not depending on the circumstances. If it was known by your little “Democrat†that the sole purpose he is being called is purely political he should not unless he has a point to make of some kind.
Understand?
If Rove has committed a crime he should be charged……
To date that has not happened………
If you have information that a crime has been committed and you can PROVE it then lets here it……………Im sure the Democrats at the justice department will be all ears…………….
Comment by Zed Lefflin — August 26, 2007
Really?? So, if Congress SUBPOENAS any citizen, he or she can just REFUSE, right?
Of course, doing so means they can be held in Contempt of Congress.
By the way, the Hatch Act was violated, but again Bush CRIMINALS are REFUSING to turn over the emails.
And Rove was ONE OF SEVEN of the TRAITORS, along with Libby and Armitage who exposed our WMD spy, Valerie Plame Wilson, thus SABOTAGING OUR NATIONAL SECRUITY. Libby’s trial showed this.
So, TREASON, Contempt of Congress, and Obstruction of Justice as a start…
So, again, WHERE did YOU get YOUR “law degree”??
And Bush suxx the dixx of Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS of Al Queda.
TREASON is the way of the Bush family, starting with Grampa Prescott.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pm“Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin?
So Zed, you know for a fact that Bill Moyers has refused to debate these people? And how do you know that.
I am quite sure that if someone set up an independent setting where Bill Moyers could debate any of these known liars, Mr. Moyers would be more than happy to oblige them and annialiate them.
But, I expect you want him to go on O’Lielly’s show so that Bill can control the setting, shout him down and when he can’t shout him down turn off his mike. That is, I am sure, what you would consider to be a “fair and balanced” setting for a debate.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmChris Wallace, you’ve turned out to be an even bigger dick-head than Tony Snow!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmYeah, Wallace is the shining example of “I’ll take your word for it” journalism. What a Hack!
August 26th, 2007 at 3:56 pmFox’s Chris Wallace says”If you want to find out about someone’s religious beliefs, a good first step might be to ask him. ”
It is interesting how Chris Wallace is so eager to take Karl Rove’s words as the gospel truth while attacking others who are not as right wing…reporting ala Fox’s style.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:57 pmit’s really funny how the new republican standard for whether someone should remain in a public service or appointee post is, ‘well, no crime was committed.’
try that with your boss sometime. most employers want a higher standard for their employees than simply not a criminal. and we as american voters and taxpayers should demand only the best and the brightest.
sorry, but the best and the brightest aren’t trying to pass the level of criminality test. that shouldn’t even come up.
quit arguing for mediocrity as the bar.
next time anyone accuses liberals of moral relativism i’m throwing karl rove, alberto gonzales and scooter libby in their faces.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“Yeah, Wallace is the shining example of “I’ll take your word for it†journalism. What a Hack!
Comment by candideinn”
The problem is he will only take your word for it if you are a Rethug. If you are a Democrat, he will question your integrity and your patriotism.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
TP, idiots, fools that run this website, Karl Rove gave an answer, he is an Episcopelian. Moyers didn’t go to the source! Karl Rove!
Your problem is that you believe other sources, LIberal news papers, who never spoke directly to Karl Rove!!!!
how pathetic, small, stupid, and ridiculous of TP and its Liberal wingnuts
August 26th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI have no idea why you do this? Each post only confirms that you don’t have a clue. I imagine that you could (and YOU would) make the case that every time the opposition calls you to testify that they’re doing it solely for political motives. So you would never testify. So in your world a politician would & should never testify under oath. Karl won’t testify because he’s guilty. And you support that as a reason not to testify. That’s the political motive… to prove his guilt.
Comment by Dave C — August 26, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
You are using Keith Olbermanns favorite method of lying…..lying by omission.
I said “depending on the circumstances” guilt or innocence has nothing to do with testifying since congress can not CHARGE ANYONE WITH A CRIME.
NOW…TELL ME WHAT THE WORD USED BY CONGRESS IS WHEN THEY THINK A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED AND WANTS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ACTION.
If you do not know you have no clue what you are talking about or how the process works.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:02 pmI don’t mind if someone is a Christian. Everybody has their own personal take on God and religion. What I do mind is someone saying that they read the Bible or pray ceremoniously to prove their devotion. I’d rather see someone prove it by following the principles of Christianity. Rove does not and has never.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmBill Moyers is not a journalist.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmActions speak louder than words. What Rove and Bush has done to this country will take years to recover.M.L.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
Only 26%-er azz-likkers of WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Bush believe LIARS like O’Reilly, Chris Wallace, Rush, Coulter, etc…
They are not even “journalists”, just propaganda-and-hate spewers….
August 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#125,
Man, you are really accomplished at name calling, take anybodys lunch money today? What are you eight years old?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pm“Come on Dave…..you can do better than that…….
Why should he?…..oh….. um….. maybe RATINGS!
….maybe……um… Journalistic integrity!
maybe…..um….BALLS!
Comment by Zed Lefflin?
So Zed, you know for a fact that Bill Moyers has refused to debate these people? And how do you know that.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 26, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
#90 Watch!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:07 pmgeonorth,
Bingo!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe moonbats here at TP listen to whatever their Leftarded masters tell them. In other words, TP moonbats can not think for themselves. This means that one anti-American propaganda artist drags the moonbats here at TP with treasonous lies. In other words, TP moonbats are brain-dead dittoheads.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOnly TP and the lunatic left wing moonbats believe a pathetic fool like Moyers.
Only 26%-er azz-likkers of WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Bush believe LIARS like O’Reilly, Chris Wallace, Rush, Coulter, etc…
They are not even “journalistsâ€, just propaganda-and-hate spewers….
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
As I said, only the lunatic left wing moonbats believe TP-(a bunch of crazed out left wing youngens) and Moyers and a small minded left wing fool.
Poor Liberals, Karl Rove gave an answer that proves Moyers is a pathetic liar and the left goes crazy. Poor little, pathetic liberals.
Hey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
stupid blind left wing lunatic. I pity the left, a bunch of hate-america, hateful little ignorant rats.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#125,
Man, you are really accomplished at name calling, take anybodys lunch money today? What are you eight years old?
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
There is not point in debating with Left wing lunatics that believe anyone and everything as long as it bashes Bush, bashes Rove, bashes anything right-wing.
the best thing you can do with left wing lunatics as yourself and others is make fun of them, call them names and get them all upset. You know, play with their tiny little minds with IQs below 80.
why waste valuable debating time on irrational left wing moonbats, right? better to have fun and belittle left wing rats.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
Hey TRAITOR azz-likker, did YOU know that YOUR TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of a “president” is DESPISED throughout the WORLD?
With the exception of the Saudi TERRORIST financiers of Al Queda, who LOVE this PUNK coxucker TRAITOR to the USA??
And how about O’Reilly, eh?? HIDES the FRONT-PAGE story about the JFK “terrorist attacks” and then RANTS that the NYT didn’t print it?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pmIt comes to a simple….
who do I believe, Moyers and the left wing liberal newspapers that are out to destroy Karl Rove and the Bush administration, or Karl Rove.
I think I rather take my chances with Karl Rove when he claims he is an Episcopelian and records shows that his biggest charity contributions go to the church he attends.
Don’t worry, I expect it from Liberal small minded fools to not follow up on anything and to hate with a deep passion anyone that doesn’t agree with left wing pathetic, stupid, small minded ideology.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIt comes to a simple….
who do I believe, Moyers and the left wing liberal newspapers that are out to destroy Karl Rove and the Bush administration, or Karl Rove.
Of COURSE you would believe a TRAITOR like Rove!!
Because YOU are a TRAITOR who likks the azhole of MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
TRAITORS like YOU and Bush and Rove and Cheney and Gonzo
August 26th, 2007 at 4:17 pmare all alike.
the discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmHey idiot, Arn Gunnutes, you do know that YOUR Democratic led Congress has a 18% approval rating, right? Much lower than President Bush’s approval rating.
Hey TRAITOR azz-likker, did YOU know that YOUR TRAITOR coxucker PUNK of a “president†is DESPISED throughout the WORLD?
With the exception of the Saudi TERRORIST financiers of Al Queda, who LOVE this PUNK coxucker TRAITOR to the USA??
And how about O’Reilly, eh?? HIDES the FRONT-PAGE story about the JFK “terrorist attacks†and then RANTS that the NYT didn’t print it?
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
As I said, left wing moonbats are not worth debating with. Just point at them and laugh at their immense stupidity and hate. How small minded of Liberals.
Poor little aRn Gunnutes, so much hate, so much ignorance, such a small brain with such a tiny IQ.
Careful ARn Gunnutes, Karl Rove is out to get you!! better keep that tin foil hat on! Bush will read your mind and put you in a concentration camp if you take your tin foil hat off….AHHHHHH!!!!!!!
run, the Repuiblicans are going to get you!!!! run, run, run!!!!! NO, NO!! the other way, O’REilly is waiting for you there and he will get you!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
it is so fun to play with the tiny minds of Liberals……
BOO!!!!! Rightwinger behind you!!! hahahahaha!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmBut, I expect you want him to go on O’Lielly’s show so that Bill can control the setting, shout him down and when he can’t shout him down turn off his mike. That is, I am sure, what you would consider to be a “fair and balanced†setting for a debate.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 26, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Wow! Your clairvoyance is amazing…..have you used it for financial gain at anytime? Oh, didn’t I see you on professional poker tour last week?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmSettle down Arn…………your losing it again……………..
August 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmAugust 26th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
the discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Send them back to Freeperville and Hotair where they belong…don’t feed these trolls.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pmthe discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! poor idiotic Liberals, how they cry and whine when they are treated with the same contempt that they treat anyone from the right!
hey, I am only using left wing tactics, if you don’t like it, ask your retarded left wing rats to respect those they disagree with, I mean since supposedly left wingers are such open minded, tolerant people, right?
If you are going to speak about lowering the discourse and the level of hate, look at your party, left wing ideology first, starting with this entry from TP who rather believe Moyers and left wing newspapers than Karl Rove when it comes to his personal life.
how pathetic and small of the left, they always cry and whine when they are treated the same way that they treat people they disagree with.
what a bunch of sad, very sad hypocrites.
just remember left wingers, you get what you give. You hateful, small minded rats treat people from the right with contempt and hate, don’t cry when you are treated the same way. YOu want respect, give it!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pmthere’s really something embarrassing about supporting someone you know is wrong. that would pretty much explain the low congress ratings: we elected them to do a job and they haven’t gotten it done.
deomcrats expect their leaders to be accountable. the low ratings reflect the disappointment dems have in their leaders.
now bush, on the other hand, gets loyal support from republicans no matter what law he breaks or what new failure he has accomplished. that’s embarrassing. it must be humiliating to have to hold your nose and still act like you support a complete failure.
don’t worry, i’m sure you’ll just lash out angrily and call us names.
it’s ok, really. we know why you’re so angry.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pmthe discourse here has really elevated. the name-calling and hatred really says more than we ever could about the fear the right wingers have of becoming totally irrelevant.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
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You might be confused, as the leftist moonbats here are incoherent. It is the TPers who are calling names, not the conservatives.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pm136,
Man don’t you have everyone pigeonholed. I’m a 46 year old male Firefighter/Medic for twenty years, prior to that served in the military. Have an IQ of 120+ and you don’t get me “all upset”.
How have you served your country? Obviously not as an English teacher.
I really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI think Lewnsky is Malkin…she’s trollin’ again. LOL
August 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmi believe we’ve found the new spokesperson for the gop.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pmUmmm, because the nation wants us out of Iraq, but the GOP refuses to listen. They will finally get it come the next election – the obstructionists will learn a hard learned lesson.
Why are you trolling here, board with your lunatic comrades over at HotAir? LOL
Comment by Ash — August 26, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe AirHeadAmericas rants and Keith Olbermann’s rants and believe that the REpublican party is so powerful, believe it little Ash….
all I have to do is point at you and laugh at how the left wingers use small minded rats like you to push their agenda.
Amazing how Liberals never talked about the Democratic party being an obstructionist party while the GOP was the majority. Now that the Democratic party doesn’t have the guts, balls, and leadership to get their job done they cry about obstruction.
man, the sad part is that you left wingers swallow the left wing propaganda faster than Lewinsky swallowed Clinton’s c….m.
I am embarrased for you, I truly am.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
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You can feel however you want. Just know this, your god “Allah” and his “prophet” Mohammad lied to you. Your savage Islamic religion is doomed to fail.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmi believe we’ve found the new spokesperson for the gop.
Comment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
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TP,
It made me a Republican!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pm136,
Man don’t you have everyone pigeonholed. I’m a 46 year old male Firefighter/Medic for twenty years, prior to that served in the military. Have an IQ of 120+ and you don’t get me “all upsetâ€.
How have you served your country? Obviously not as an English teacher.
I really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Ahhh….didn’t upset you? I got under your skin enough for you to reveal personal crap about yourself, which more likely than not, you have made it up. Don’t worry, most Liberals like you love making crap up. You do know that playing with yoru GI JOes is not being in the military, right? and pushing around your mommy’s firefighter toy truck doesn’t make you a fireman, right? Just making sure, you LIbtards get quite confused sometimes.
oh and about my writing here, i write in a manner that matches the IQ level of the left wing tards that post on here. If i write any better, the left wing tards won’t understand.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:27 pm152,
Up your dose.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:27 pmman, the sad part is that you left wingers swallow the left wing propaganda faster than Lewinsky swallowed Clinton’s c….m.
I am embarrased for you, I truly am.
Comment by Lewnsky
The REALLY SAD PART is that you azlickers of TRAITOR Bush the MURDERER coxucker PUNK
swallow Rove’s and Rush’s propaganda
FASTER THAN TRAITOR Bush swallowed “Jeff Gannon”’s c..m
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmAnd why should we or any real American even bother to believe anything Karl Rove says about his personal life…the guy is a liar, plain and simple. LOL
The fact that you believe he is honest and would tell the truth about his faith is hilarious, LOL.
Can you really be that stupid? Instaed of trolling here you should be taking a fearless inventory of your ignorance…LOL.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmYou might be confused, as the leftist moonbats here are incoherent. It is the TPers who are calling names, not the conservatives.
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican — August 26, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Well, I am calling these poor souls names, which really aren’t names. When you speak the truth about someone, it is not name calling, right?
Poor left wingers, they go on a hate rant against any right winger that posts on here and then they cry when they are treated the same way.
poor little left wingers…..how sad of them. poor hypocrites. Not name calling, just speaking the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pm154,
Live anywhere near Dallas, you can come visit me at the fire station, a good neutral place.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmChris Wallace, you aren’t qualified to lick Bill Moyers shoes. What an idiot! You are probably too dumb to be embarassed when you find out reporting 101 says you have verify your sources. And there is plenty of evidence that the only source you relied on is a verified liar.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmTPmademeaRepublican,
so wallace can go after moyers for claiming rove is agnostic without asking him, and here on this very thread you can baselessly accuse someone of worshiping allah without asking them.
that’s what they call hypocrisy.
oh, i forgot iokiyar.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pm154,
Bring your clock, I’ll clean it.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmDavid Vitter, the “family values” expert,
bought LOTS OF NEW DIAPERS and DILDOS in the Baghdad Market.
He was SO EXCITED!!
Vitter: Allahu Akbar, y’all!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmYes it’s clear that the anti-American, slanderous, liars here at TP serve but one purpose… to persuade people to vote Republican.
Insulting our military by calling them failures, lying about the Presidents well managed response to terrorism after 9-1-1, and out right hatred for the United States, all this and more can be seen daily in the comments and posts here at TP.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pm154,
Live anywhere near Dallas, you can come visit me at the fire station, a good neutral place.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
HAHAHAHAHA!!! poor little “firefighter” I am telling you son, pushing around the toy firefighter truck that your mommy gave you doesn’t make you a firefighter. Putting our your grills fire also doens’t make you a firefighter.
stop embarrasing yourself….man, you Libtards have ZERO shame.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:32 pm“well-managed response”
was that before or after ‘my pet goat’?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pmComment by lonesomerobot — August 26, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
See:
The difference is, I’m right. Moyers lied.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pm165,
Yeah, thats what I thought, p*ssy.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pmMoyers is nothing more than a liberal hack
August 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmHet retard,
Was “Putting our your grills fire” supposed to make sense? Just asking.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmp*ssy.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
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More hatred from the left for everyone to see.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmDavid Vitter, the “family values†expert,
bought LOTS OF NEW DIAPERS and DILDOS in the Baghdad Market.
He was SO EXCITED!!
Vitter: Allahu Akbar, y’all!!!
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
So, where are the “fair” and “balanced” left wingers who cry about right wing hatred? They do seem to enjoy hatred coming from the left thrown at the right….
what a bunch of small minded, stupid hypocrites. They love to condemn the right for what they embrace on the left.
how pathetic and small of the left.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmInsulting our military by calling them failures, lying about the Presidents well managed response to terrorism after 9-1-1
No, the MILITARY are not the failures. The LIAR who SENT THEM is.
“well managed response to terrorism after 9-1-1″
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And that’s why Osama is STILL FREE.
And our soldiers are DYING for the LIES of Bush.
And the lack of equipment, such as armored vehicles, is STILL HAPPENING.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmEasiest fact check in the world, Which church is he a member of and has anyone there ever seen karl rove? Is he on their membership roster? What is the minister’s name?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmChris Wallace says Rove reads “a devotional” every day…. What “devotional”? I would love to know what devotional material leads him to believe his political behavior has been ethical. The gospel according to Machiavelli?
Chris also says the biggest charitable donation he ever made was to his church. I would like to know: what church and how much? I would also like to see the canceled check. Note to Mr. Rove: the RNC is not a church.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHet retard..
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
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I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean! But an admitted Democrat (traitor) said it, so it must be an insult.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pmDavid Vitter, the “family values†expert,
bought LOTS OF NEW DIAPERS and DILDOS in the Baghdad Market.
He was SO EXCITED!!
Vitter: Allahu Akbar, y’all!!!
Comment by Arn Gunnutes
I can top that, Arn:
Fallen Pastor Seeks Financial Support
Saturday August 25, 2007 5:01 AM
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) – The Rev. Ted Haggard, who left the megachurch he founded after admitting to “sexual immorality,” has asked supporters for financial assistance while he and his wife pursue their studies.
The former New Life Church pastor plans to seek a master’s degree in counseling at the University of Phoenix while his wife studies psychology, he said in an e-mail sent this week to KRDO-TV in Colorado Springs.
The couple and two of their sons planned to move Oct. 1 to the Phoenix Dream Center, a faith-based halfway house in Phoenix, where Haggard and his wife would provide counseling, the e-mail said.
“It looks as though it will take two years for us to have adequate earning power again, so we are looking for people who will help us monthly for two years,” the e-mail said. “During that time we will continue as full-time students, and then, when I graduate, we won’t need outside support any longer.”
Haggard left the 10,000-member New Life Church late last year and resigned as head of the National Association of Evangelicals after a former male escort accused Haggard of paying him for sex.
Mike Ware, an overseer for New Life Church, told The Gazette of Colorado Springs on Friday that it was premature of Haggard to release the statement without first consulting the overseers.
A New Life spokesman did not immediately return a phone message left late Friday by The Associated Press.
Haggard received a salary of $115,000 for the 10 months he worked in 2006 and an $85,000 anniversary bonus before the scandal broke, The Gazette reported. Haggard’s severance package included a year’s salary of $138,000, and he collects royalties on his book titles, the newspaper reported.
El Paso County records show Haggard’s home, which has been up for sale, has a market value of $715,051.
Rev. Ted’s got his hand out; let’s see how many of his fundy buddies actually practice what they preach – ’cause Rev. Ted is spitting on their beloved “just ask God for it” philosophy by asking for a secular handout instead of divine intervention.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pm171,
No man I love p*ssy
August 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHet retard,
Was “Putting our your grills fire†supposed to make sense? Just asking.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
hahahaha!!! so this is the best you go little boy wonder? poor little firefighter……
hurry, hurry, turn of your mommy’s stove, she turned on a fire to boil your bottle. hahahaha!!!
my poor little Libtards. I can only pat you on the head and send you on your merry way.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pm176,
Darn fat fingers…O.K. ya got me there…
August 26th, 2007 at 4:37 pmp*ssy.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
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More hatred from the left for everyone to see.
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican — August 26, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
wait, wait, didn’t you know TPmademeaRepublican….only is the right full of hate.
Left wingers are such “compassionate” souls, right? hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pm179
Yawn.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pmNo man I love p*ssy
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
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As usual, a Democrat is flip-flopping. Dems don’t have values at all, they just follow their lying masters, blindly.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pmwell “firefighter” it has been fun, but I have to go turn on my grill….I will make sure to give you a call so you can come and throw a glass of water to turn it of!
GI JOE GO!!!!
hahahahahahahahaha!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pmThe MILITARY are not the failures. The LIAR who SENT THEM is.
“well managed response to terrorism after 9-1-1″
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And that’s why Osama is STILL FREE.
And our soldiers are DYING for the LIES of Bush.
And the lack of equipment, such as armored vehicles, is STILL HAPPENING.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYawn.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
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It looks like it’s time for someone’s afternoon nap.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIf Karl Rove is still an Episcopalian, I have to wonder why he stayed after we consecrated Gene Robinson as Bishop of New Hampshire. The Karl Rove-loving types at my church, St. Luke’s Episcopal, bailed out when that happened. It sounds like a lot of horse manure, but I avoid Fox News as much as possible. Anyway, the Christians that Rove and Bush have so assiduously courted have driven me 95 percent of the way down the road to agnosticism. I do relish, however, the image of Karl standing before the throne on the Day of Judgment. It’s mean of me, I know, but I can’t help myself.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:41 pmComment by Horatius — August 26, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
That’s because you were never a Christian, but rather, you have always been a dirty, Godless, liberal.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:43 pmMan don’t you have everyone pigeonholed. I’m a 46 year old male Firefighter/Medic for twenty years, prior to that served in the military. Have an IQ of 120+ and you don’t get me “all upsetâ€.
How have you served your country? Obviously not as an English teacher.
I really feel sorry for you, you poor pathetic soul.
Comment by Texas Democrat — August 26, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
I don’t have a “dog in this fight” but your “firefighter” and “IQ” statement is of interest.
Many times on the tube I have seen firemen jump up on the roofs of burning buildings with axes and proceed to chop holes in them then all fall through into the burning building…..do you do that?
August 26th, 2007 at 4:43 pm“… I do relish, however, the image of Karl standing before the throne on the Day of Judgment. It’s mean of me, I know, but I can’t help myself.”
Comment by Horatius —
With Kansas’ Dust in the Wind, playing somewhere in the background…
August 26th, 2007 at 4:45 pm“..you have always been a dirty, Godless, liberal.”
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican
And proud of it.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“Many times on the tube I have seen firemen jump up on the roofs of burning buildings with axes and proceed to chop holes in them then all fall through into the burning building…..do you do that?”
Comment by Zed Lefflin
As TP’s resident drunk, believe me when I say it’s time for you to put the bottle down. You’re way past “lit,” and quickly descending into Red-Assed Baboon territory.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:49 pmRed-Assed Baboon territory.
Comment by barfly — August 26, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
More hatred from the left for everyone to see.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pmMore hatred from the left for everyone to see.
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican
I didn’t say he was there yet. More jump-to-false-conclusion neocon thinking: just what got us stuck in Iraq.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:53 pmI have jsut beganan to drnik……thanks u vrey musch.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:54 pm“I have jsut beganan to drnik……thanks u vrey musch.”
Comment by Zed Lefflin
“More hatred from the left for everyone to see.”
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican
I apologize. He IS there already!
August 26th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by barfly — August 26, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
You were the one who thought that you could predict the future.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThe left is notorious for trying to place blame on others.
Red-Assed Baboon territory.
Comment by barfly — August 26, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
More hatred from the left for everyone to see.
Comment by TPmademeaRepublican — August 26, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
More love from a clean, god-fearing conservative. This conversation bores me. Go back under your stone.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pmStanding in a church doesn’t make you a Christian anymore then standing in a garage makes you a car.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:58 pmAny “devotional” Rove reads is read at the altar of the almighty dollar
August 26th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThis is for comment # 1 who stated that, ‘
Moyers makes a profit off his tv programs’.
Are we to understand that Wallace shows up at faux news as a hobby? If so, he really sucks at it! Maybe he should go get a real job. BTW, his dad was/is a real reporter.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“You were the one who thought that you could predict the future.
The left is notorious for trying to place blame on others.”
Comment by TPmademeaRepublicanweinerdog
And now he’s picking nits off Zed’s backside.
Congratulations, on having achieved such a Zen-like plateau of inconsequential irrelevance.
You are now god-like in my eyes.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:02 pmAnyway, the Christians that Rove and Bush have so assiduously courted have driven me 95 percent of the way down the road to agnosticism. I do relish, however, the image of Karl standing before the throne on the Day of Judgment. It’s mean of me, I know, but I can’t help myself.
Comment by Horatius — August 26, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
If the actions of men can drive you away from God, your faith wasn’t terribly strong to begin with, now was it?
I don’t know whether Rove is a Christian or not, but I find it interesting that the only first hand source in TP’s list against him is a drunk who hates God, Rove and probably most of humanity. Probably not a fair and balanced source! Second or third hand information doesn’t usually fly around here. Must be different when the information goes in your favor. ;)
August 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pmRay from Compton #1 ment that Moyers, the mega millionare he is, could do some chairity work for PBS now and again.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pmAn earlier post suggested a falling out between Chris and his dad, Mike over at CBS. Chris, indeed, holds his father’s views on the war in contempt and vice versa. Mike Wallace is a very outspoken opponent of the war and says so in the STRONGEST words. His son thinks he has “lost it” in his advanced years. The Newsmax 2005 on-line piece on Chris’s comments about his dad’s views on the war are at http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/11/100751.shtml.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThere are multiple sources of Rove claiming not to be a believer. However, the real test is how someone lives their life. It is clear from Mr. Roves disgraceful deeds that he is not a believer. No follower of Christ would engage in the smears and lies and unethical conduct year after year after year without a shread of remorse.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmThere are multiple sources of Rove claiming not to be a believer. However, the real test is how someone lives their life. It is clear from Mr. Roves disgraceful deeds that he is not a believer. No follower of Christ would engage in the smears and lies and unethical conduct year after year after year without a shread of remorse.
Comment by xargaw
The same is true of Bush and Cheney. They may SAY they are “christians”, but their ACTIONS show they do NOT follow Jesus’s Word.
LIES, HATRED and MURDER of their fellow man are their ACTIONS.
Their ACTIONS of GENOCIDe speak LOUDER than their WORDS of Jesus.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:17 pmIsn’t the beauty of being agnostic and sitting on the religious fence, is that you can be on either side, at any given time?
August 26th, 2007 at 5:17 pmChristopher Hitchens doesn’t “hate God” — he simply doesn’t believe in him. Hitchens hates the terrible things people do in the name of God. I concur with both of his positions.
However, Rove is ready proof that regardless of your faith (or lack thereof) you can be an agent for evil — for promoting tribalism, separatism, fear and hatred in the service of your own shallow myopic political ends. The only thing worse would be if you were, oh say homophobic while simultaneously having a lesbian daughter, but there’s no one in the Bush administration as cynically repugnant as that, is there?
August 26th, 2007 at 5:28 pmRove caught in his lies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-117479673532029351
http://mediamatters.org/items/200708160006
http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articles/bush_rove_leak_quotes_mcclellan.htm
Why would anyone believe a habitual liar?
- Tom
August 26th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIf the actions of men can drive you away from God, your faith wasn’t terribly strong to begin with, now was it?
I don’t know whether Rove is a Christian or not, but I find it interesting that the only first hand source in TP’s list against him is a drunk who hates God, Rove and probably most of humanity. Probably not a fair and balanced source! Second or third hand information doesn’t usually fly around here. Must be different when the information goes in your favor. ;)
Comment by upright left — August 26, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
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Amen.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:34 pmRove caught in his lies:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=-117479673532029351
http://mediamatters.org/items/200708160006
http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/ articles/ bush_rove_leak_quotes_mcclellan.htm
Why would anyone believe a habitual liar?
- Tom
Comment by TomR
Yup. Rove and Bush are LIARS, MURDERERS and TRAITORS to the USA.
Who do NOT follow the Word of Jesus…
August 26th, 2007 at 5:39 pmLot’s of agnostics attend church, belong to a Congregation, give money. Rove’s answer to Wallace’s query was a classic dodge — he responded, but did not answer the question.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:43 pmOf course Karl Rove is religious. HaHaaha ha. He worships the Child-eating godd MOLOCH and the BEAST OF THE APOCALYPSE! HA HA HA HA HA HA!
August 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmUnfortunately, many naive christians confused the election of g.w. bush with the Second Coming. Now, after six years of incompetence, corruption and blood-stained blunders, even those sheep who so easily had their own wool pulled over their eyes are being awakened by the stench of the rotting corpse that is this vile, lying administation. Maybe, finally, even *they* will see this perverted presidency for the sick, traitorous thing it has always been.
How could anyone be so gullible as to believe anyone associated with this president is capable of telling the truth? Faux news? Could anyone with half-a-brain call Faux a credible news organization, and keep a straight face while doing so?
August 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pmRove is a closet gay. Leave him alone with his demons.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI guess it must be hard to be a believer when you’re actually gay and in love with the President.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pmwhat a joke! Fox ‘Fake’ News giving a lesson in ‘Reporting 101′ ! ha, ha, ha!
Fox News is the most biased, lying, deceitful, hateful, bigoted, Republican BS spin show ever.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThink Progress gives aid and comfort to Al-Qaeda!
August 26th, 2007 at 5:53 pmoh little Chris grow up! When you have as many years as Bill (or your daddy) as a reporter then, little Chris, talk about Repoting 101…in the meantime, listen to the pro’s (like them) and learn
August 26th, 2007 at 5:54 pmGEORGE W. Bush gives aid and comfort to Al-Qaeda!
His Saudi buddies are FINANCING Al Queda in Iraq.
The Bin Ladens were the FUNDERS of his failed oil ventures.
Of which he profited by insider trading while the companies went BK.
And then didn’t report the stock sale for LONG PAST the deadline.
He blamed his “lawyer”.
Yup. “personal responsibility”!
not…
August 26th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThat’s pretty funny: Wallace of Faux News slamming Moyers for his “failure” to get the facts. Yeah, Fox News is known the land over for it’s even-handed, balanced reporting, it’s journalistic integrity, and it’s rigorous fact-checking.
Wallace, as a Fox News clone, is doing what Fox News does best. Propaganda comes off closer to the truth.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:00 pmLet me get this prefectly straight. Wallace says “That’s reporting 101″ to Moyers after the rove told Wallace he was a “Christian” and that’s all is needed according to Wallace!
Think I got it, Wallace apparently never attended the classrm, i.e. Reporting 101.
Was he even enrolled?
August 26th, 2007 at 6:03 pmOh little Chris grow up! When you have as many years as a repoter like Bill and your daddy then talk about Reporting 101…In the meantime, little Chris, be quite and learn from the pros.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmUnbelievable! Do you trolls really think that anyone owes Bill O’Reilly an appearance on his show? O’Reilly is a dick. Like anyone with half a brain would go on his show and legitimize a guy who calls his guests “pinheads” and cuts off their mikes. That’s really bright. BillO says about anyone who wont come on “we tried to get him on the show and he doesn’t want to sit in the no-spin zone” as if it’s mandatory that anyone he wants to have on should capitulate. Moyers has far too much class to enter into a shouting match with a jackass like O’Reilly. Nobody owes Fox News an appearance, ever.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:19 pmWallace’s idea of reporting is bending over for whatever the administration is pushing.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:24 pmChris Wallace appeared with his father Mike Wallace on C-span when Mike openly criticized the press for shutting down prior to the invasion of IRAQ and not investigating the way they should have and in general is not the MEDIA that we knew in the past.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:32 pmChris avoided the question altogether and said it was because he wanted a LONGER career than his father had. Apparently scared of his job— Chris didn’t have the courage to speak out and why I don’t think he could be hired by anyone except FOX because he follows their rules
Bill Moyers isn’t afraid to speak out for what he believes —because he’s a true American.
Ignorance here is absolutely pervasive……….if Moyer’s wanted more than 10-15 viewers of his rants he would make an appearance on the highest rated cable news show and their 2 million plus viewers and pitch his crap, in the process he could also tell why he has a hard on for Fox and lies so much……..DUH!
Weed…….have you ever encountered the pleasures of a Succubus in one of those nightmares ?
August 26th, 2007 at 6:40 pmMan, I detest Republicans. And the reason I detest them is that they’ve made me detest them so much.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThe point here, I think, is that Rove is a manipulator. He manipulated the press, he manipulated prosecutors to go after his foes, he manipulated the justice department and I have no doubt that he would and did manipulate peoples faith for his political agenda.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:45 pmAccording to Wallace, I suppose, Reporting 101 would have required that Moyers ask Nixon if he was a crook.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:47 pmMan that hypnosis seminar held by the RNC that Rove and the rest of us attended a few years ago sure is paying off. We can make the press, Nancy, Harry and the Democrats in DC do what ever we want.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:49 pmComment by Onelunglarry — August 26, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Well better get our your pocketwatch and dangle it in front of Warner and Hoekstra, they are doing what you want. And their jumping ship at a prodigous rate.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:58 pmMwah.
We can make the press, Nancy, Harry and the Democrats in DC do what ever we want.
Comment by Onelunglarry — August 26, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Kind of silly and meaningless. Try harder.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI know Im late to the party but did Wallace stuff Moyers head in the crapper or what………HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Thats the best bitchslap since Wallace did Olbermann.
August 26th, 2007 at 6:58 pmMy take on this is that Rove’s “faith” is just a conversion of convenience, in response to critics who’ve outed him as a manipulator. He obviously went around almost bragging about his agnosticism for a long while, until his own words and deeds caught up with him. How easy it is now to go through the motions, read devotionals, attend Episcopal services, and do other things that would indicate he was a believer all along.
It appears it’s not just the Religious Right which is being flim-flammed by this confidence man, but now, the media and the American public.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWell better get our your pocketwatch and dangle it in front of Warner and Hoekstra, they are doing what you want. And their jumping ship at a prodigious rate.
Mwah.
Comment by Gen Kaye Hoss — August 26, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Its the front end of a Right Wing Conspericy……….shhhhhh……just watch it play out……..
August 26th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWheeeeeeeeee.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Democrat Slapping Machine — August 26, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
What is it about righties and facts. Wallace basically said I believe whatever Rove tells me, I don’t need to look at any facts word of mouth is just fine for me.
Its no wonder these guys are losing the country to those of us who actually think.
_
August 26th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“I said “depending on the circumstances†guilt or innocence has nothing to do with testifying since congress can not CHARGE ANYONE WITH A CRIME.
NOW…TELL ME WHAT THE WORD USED BY CONGRESS IS WHEN THEY THINK A CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED AND WANTS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ACTION.
If you do not know you have no clue what you are talking about or how the process works.
Comment by Zed Lefflin”
Sorry, but you are wrong. Congress can find someone in Inherent Contempt of Congress and they can hold a trial in Congress. Look it up.
It is the Justice Department that normally tries people who commit crimes in government. The problem is that it is the Republicans who are committing the crimes and the Justice Department has been converted into an arm of the Republican party by the Bush Crime Family.
If they have done nothing wrong, then why do they hide behind EP. If they have done nothing wrong, then why don’t they appoint a special prosecutor to investigate.
Lest we remind you that Bill Clinton allowed the Justice Department to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate HIM! Imagine Bush having that kind of integrity or courage.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:06 pmThis whole Rove and faith issue made me think of a quote from the Simpsons.
Prayer, the last refuge of a scoundrel
Lisa actually misquoted Samuel Johnson who said “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”.
Both pretty much fit Rove…
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August 26th, 2007 at 7:10 pm“There is not point in debating with Left wing lunatics that believe anyone and everything as long as it bashes Bush, bashes Rove, bashes anything right-wing.
Comment by Lewnsky”
There is no point in debating with Right wing lunatics that believe anyone and everything as long as it supports Bush, supports Rove, supports anything right-wing.
There I fixed it for you, even the spelling errors.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:12 pmThe ‘NEOCONS’, who Walace kisses ass for, are all ethical whores, and always will be. Moyers should be prowd to be the target of their venom. It is the ultimate Validation of Righteousness!
Walace is a LOSER!
August 26th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSorry, but you are wrong. Congress can find someone in Inherent Contempt of Congress and they can hold a trial in Congress. Look it up.
Comment by bilbogaggins — August 26, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
And what was the sentence, penalty, fine or other punishment handed down by congress to the last person found in contempt?
August 26th, 2007 at 7:14 pmWhat is it about righties and facts. Wallace basically said I believe whatever Rove tells me, I don’t need to look at any facts word of mouth is just fine for me.
Its no wonder these guys are losing the country to those of us who actually think.
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Comment by Not Dick but Richard — August 26, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Y shoot Dick….lots of people make large donations to charitable organizations that they don’t believe in………PFFFFTT.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThere is no way that a morally corrupt, ethically bankrupt person could read devotionals every day with any absorption.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:18 pmDevotionals are christian prayers, homilies and moralities — christian: derived from christ. Even a non-believer cannot fathom jesus christ ever approving of the likes of Rove (or Bush&Co et al.).
Rove is lying through his teeth about his religion because he was confronted on the air – so lying is always the first option. Were he to have been pressed further by Wallace, or anyone for that matter, he would have deflected, waffled, ducked and avoided any direct reply.
Its the front end of a Right Wing Conspericy……….shhhhhh……just watch it play out……..Comment by Onelunglarry — August 26, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Its not left or right, its corporate and really not a hidden secret. It will however end up as most empires, in the crapper.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:18 pm#146 lonesome robot
Nicely said.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIts not left or right, its corporate and really not a hidden secret. It will however end up as most empires, in the crapper.
Comment by Gen Kaye Hoss — August 26, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
I know………..I have one hand on the flusher handle and the other on my 50 cal.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by Democrat Slapping Machine — August 26, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Things that make you go Huh?
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August 26th, 2007 at 7:25 pmI think I rather take my chances with Karl Rove when he claims he is an Episcopelian and records shows that his biggest charity contributions go to the church he attends
Yep – $1.09 (life-long cumulative).
Freedom is free! It costs a Buck-O-Nine!
August 26th, 2007 at 7:25 pmEven as a child Rove new politics was about appearances, rumors, smear and manipulation are tools of his shady trade.
This whole silly argument is just more Rove smoke and mirrors. Wallace is a fool or a knowing shill. Take your pick.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:25 pmLoL Harry (Urban Dictionary link)
August 26th, 2007 at 7:29 pmComment by Democrat Slapping Machine — August 26, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Things that make you go Huh?
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Comment by Not Dick but Richard — August 26, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Didn’t watch the video did you? If you had you would have learned that Roves largest donation he ever made was to his church……..now you see it all makes sense.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:30 pmBlogger writes: “…[Bill Moyer's] TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.”
No. Why should I?
Free market economy, open society.
It’s OK to make money, as long as it is not through oppression of anyone through any form.
I’m allowed to make a profit, Rupert Murdoch is allowed to make a profit…
Bill Moyers is not –because he is a commentary journalist?
Makes absolutely no sense at all.
(This coming from a green, “left-leaning” artist from southern Vermont, I might add).
August 26th, 2007 at 7:32 pmRove just manipulates the religious suckers in the Republican party to get his good ole boy network in office. While they rail about morals, republican senators like the guy from Louisiana are getting BJ’s in D.C. hotel suites. Meanwhile they put our country into uninmaginable debt, helped destroy our middle class, and started a B.S. war that they wrap in phony patriotism. You deserve what you get Republicans.
So what he goes to church. I went to an episcopol church for 5 years as an atheist because my wife wanted to go. Now we stay home on Sundays and do something productive with our time. Keep praying to the fairy tale in the sky. I look forward to seeing him come down my chimney come December.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pmSpinoza…..if your wrong your in pretty bad shape huh?
August 26th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Democrat Slapping Machine — August 26, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
You can’t be that simple. The man is just putting up a front, its just like Bill Clinton and many other politicians making a photo op of attending church.
Also if his liftime contribution is truly a buck “o” nine, I think you better think again.
You should measure a person by their actions and Rove’s actions have never been those of a Christian person. While many people argue over Jimmy Carter’s effectiveness as president, no one can argue that he is not a truly Christian person.
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August 26th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIs it or is it not Reporting 101 to contact your subject and get their response, even to published reports, which are often wrong or misleading (because other reporters don’t know or follow Reporting 101, either), before going to press? Yes, it is. Did Moyers do that? Apparently not, so his reporting gets an F.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:37 pmFurther more Slappy, you’re only relying on what Rove said about his contributions, do you have a link to back that up?
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August 26th, 2007 at 7:40 pmDick….I prefer not to judge you, Karl or Jimmy as to their spiritual beliefs so I’m leaving that one alone…………… I just meant that I have never heard of a person making the largest donation of their life to something that is not dear to them…………
August 26th, 2007 at 7:40 pmComment by Democrat Slapping Machine — August 26, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Again, you miss the point. I’m not juding people on believes I am judging them by actions. Just because Rove says he donated, does not make it so, but we have seen Carter performing many Christian tasks.
Facts are akin to actions
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August 26th, 2007 at 7:42 pmbeliefs even
August 26th, 2007 at 7:43 pmDont know if Karl has to make his 1040 available to the public or not…….dont care either……….you seem to think I am carrying Rovers water……….wrong…….just making observations and wasting time here for a few more minutes………… Oh, and I have never slapped a Democrat in my life either…………
August 26th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI just meant that I have never heard of a person making the largest donation of their life to something that is not dear to them.
Rove made that back in spades, I think, to him, it was a political investment. Lets not forget he also backed the faith based initiative.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
And this is why, I think, Moyers and Rove are dueling about Roves privately admitted agnostic stance.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:52 pmDEATH TO ISLAMO-STALINISM!!!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 7:54 pmGOD BLESS The UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOWN WITH The DEFEATIST, ANTI-AMERICAN, DemocRATS!!!!!!!
Did Moyers do that? Apparently not, so his reporting gets an F.
Comment by ShopRight
Maybe Rove refused his calls? Anyway he used direct quotes made by Rove. Besides that Moyers wrote a letter, whichi is not really reporting.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:56 pmComment by VA HU$TLER — August 26, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Back to your old Temper Tantrums and Ad-hominem attacks Mr P? What about those defeatist Republicans? Oddly you leave them out of your partisan diatribe.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:59 pmRove reads a devotional every morning to glean exactly how NOT to act through the rest of the day.
The man is a classic sociopath with no love for the America described in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and the Bill of Rights. In fact he clearly hates all of those as blindly as he hates everything Jesus ACTUALLY represents.
Then again, I just described the vast majority of all Republicans.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI think that those who still believe ANYTHING coming from ANYONE in this administration are absolutely delusional. I’m 62 years old and am appalled that there are still supporters of this administration. Why aren’t those critical thinking skills kicking in?
August 26th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIt should be completely apparent to all Americans that this president, vice president, karl rove, and all of this administration followed the handbook of propaganda techniques in taking us to war in Iraq and continue using those techniques to keep us there.
why do people care if bill moyers makes a profit? probably the same people who defend corporations and billionaires by saying “who cares if corporations make a profit?!” more right wing hypocracy.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI find AVGVTVS Mr Ps Greek site odd as Jesus was saved by those three Persians {Iran or Aryan} [Zoroastrian] Kings and was trained in sacred geometry. Greek History, Federalist papers…rather odd mix Mr P.
Shouldn’t you be saying Zeus Bless America?
August 26th, 2007 at 8:16 pm—-
Is it or is it not Reporting 101 to contact your subject and get their response, even to published reports, which are often wrong or misleading (because other reporters don’t know or follow Reporting 101, either), before going to press? Yes, it is. Did Moyers do that? Apparently not, so his reporting gets an F.
Comment by ShopRight — August 26, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
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So that’s how it works. The next time Fox News recycles a quote about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, they’ll be sure to ask him directly about it, WON’T THEY? Otherwise, they’re just not following Reporting 101.
Thanks for clearing that up. Can’t wait to see Fox invite Ahmadinejad on their shows. Bill Kristol is gonna love it!
- Tom
August 26th, 2007 at 8:20 pmA couple of people point out that not only does Bill Moyers earn money for doing his job…but that he owns the programs after PBS runs them.
So what? I have no idea what their point is, unless they think that any person holding a liberal viewpoint shouldn’t get paid for his work.
And, considering the way they attack any liberal politician who has been financially successful, I assume that’s why they take umbrage at Moyers earning money for producing television programming.
Wackos, indeed.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“And what was the sentence, penalty, fine or other punishment handed down by congress to the last person found in contempt?
Comment by Zed Lefflin “
What difference does that make? If the last sentence, penalty, fine or other punishment for rape had been 10 days in jail does that make it OK to rape someone.
You totally lack critical thinking skills and your logic is non-existent. You do nothing here except for take up space and stink up the place.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:24 pm“And, considering the way they attack any liberal politician who has been financially successful, I assume that’s why they take umbrage at Moyers earning money for producing television programming.
Wackos, indeed.
Comment by alex milstein”
Whats the matter with you man. Didn’t you know that only Republicans are allowed to make money. Only Republicans are allowed to be rich politicians. If a Democrat is a rich politician, they are somehow suspect. You can’t possibly believe in democratic values, helping those less fortunate or even the constitution if you are rich and a Democrat. That’s just how it works in their pea brains.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:27 pmPretty much anyone questioning Mr. Moyer’s integrity, or methodology, serves only to discredit themselves. Lump them in with the trolls and disregard.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:33 pmrove is an episcopalian?? – i thought that was one of the bounty hunters from star wars – well,who cares what rove is – episcoplalian or pissed up testicosticle or whatever….aren’t there other more important things to worry about?
August 26th, 2007 at 8:34 pmyes…but what is the name of Rove’s religious community he supposedly gave this contribution to? It seems that if this was a big issue to Christ Wallace, and he “spoke to Rove”, why wasn’t this asked so that it could be confirmed? Why isn’t the faith community leader stepping up to tell the world that Rove is a regular attender at this chruch? If Rove is a big contributor, then obviously, he has attended more than not.
And…on top of that, no one has called Moyers a liar, and no one has proven that Rove is telling the truth. So, where does that leave you thinking?
August 26th, 2007 at 8:36 pmThinking is not the strong suit of Bushco supporters. All thoughts leave them where they started. Dead wrong.
August 26th, 2007 at 8:46 pmSince Mr Rove is such a good christian maybe he’ll enroll in seminary. It
August 26th, 2007 at 8:55 pmwould be nice after all these years if he would earn a college degree. Maybe he could even room with Sean Hannity of Fox news who lacks an earned degree.
Show us PROOF that Moyers was “invited†on O’Reilly’s show.
Comment by Arn Gunnutes — August 26, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
This is to easy………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqNt5BHmUIg
You people REALLY dont know whats going on……………WOW! I though you were just pretending to be ignorant.
Tell us when O’Liley will debate Clooney without being able to turn off his mic. Were still waiting two years later? Too easy exposing your gimmicks!
August 26th, 2007 at 8:57 pmWhat’s an agnostic?
August 26th, 2007 at 8:58 pmThank God we have Fox News around. Without them, how would we ever learn about “journalism”? I mean, all real journalists know that simply allowing a liar to lie about his faith is all you need to prove he is religious. So why didn’t they just ask the liar straight up?
If they had just ASKED Rove, I’m sure he would have also told us about all those WMD in Iraq. He’d explain how Saddam was behind 9/11. He’d then point out how Saddam was getting nukes from Africa at the time we invaded. Real journalists, like the ones from Fox, would just accept the proven liars’ word about these things, then move on to other propaganda.
August 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmI don’t quite understand why Mr. Moyers making his living from television programs he has produced makes his work suspect. Journalists, even independent ones, need to eat. Is there some problem, in a capitalist society, with someone expressing a contrary opinion and being paid for it? Are the only opinions from the left that count those that are unfunded? Are left of center political commentators only allow to hold their opinions if they receive no compensation for them?
Please, tell me why Mr. Moyers making money from his programming is a problem. If you don’t like the fact that Bill Moyers’ programs on DVD and casette make money for Mr. Moyers, don’t buy a copy of his programs.
August 26th, 2007 at 9:14 pmRove is the dirty wrestler with the foreign object in his tights. He uses it when the ref (justice) isn’t looking and then begs for mercy (on Fox) when the good guy wrestler (Dems) has him cornered and is about pound his head in. Ever notice that you never see Rove and Bobby “the Brain” Heenan in the same place at the same time?
August 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pmhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=qcbg72tK_ks
August 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmHil-dawg Clintoon is a criminal
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qcbg72tK_ks
August 26th, 2007 at 9:32 pmoh and about my writing here, i write in a manner that matches the IQ level of the left wing tards that post on here. If i write any better, the left wing tards won’t understand.
Comment by Lewnsky — August 26, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Poor excuse, valiantthehater/Lewnsky (and several other names). You never could write well. But you are great at pulling the Rovian tactic of accusing those to the left of you of being hateful when, in fact, almost all the hate here has been spewed by you and your alter ego, TPmademearepublican.
August 26th, 2007 at 10:13 pmHow convenient for Rove that Wallace — like the majority of “reporters” and “journalists” at FOX — is only a pansy for this White House.
And then, of course, he’s always got Lush LimpBalls ready and eager to spread the Rovian Gospel to His gullible congregation…
So, Rove has nothing to fear today. It’s only the history books that he won’t like — long after he’s already burned in Hell, of course.
August 26th, 2007 at 10:17 pmBut here’s the rub, according to an article by Stephen Hayes in “The Weekly Standard,†Moyers owns the documentaries, and after they are broadcast on PBS, he sells the videocassettes, keeping the proceeds. So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.
http://www.townhall.com/ columnists/ billoreilly/ bo20021123.shtml
Comment by Brassmask — August 26, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
First, thanks for the link that doesn’t work–not that I would take anything by billoliely or printed on townhall.com very seriously, in any case.
August 26th, 2007 at 10:23 pmSecondly, I have a lot more problem with all the overcharging by Halliburton, Blackwater, etc. , which the taxpayers are completely funding.
Karl Roves Generous Contribution
Karl dies and appears before St. Peter and his assistant angel at the gates of heaven.
St. Peter: Before I can admit you, I need to verify that you did some good act during your time on earth, or at least that you gave support to some agency of good-will.
Karl: Well at the last church service I attended back in 1979 I put ten cents
on the collection plate.
St. Peter in an aside to his angel: Give him his dime back and tell him to go to hell!
August 26th, 2007 at 10:35 pm“So, in effect, you and I are partially funding Bill’s TV projects, which he is personally profiting from. Do you have a problem with that? I do.”
So if Mr. Moyers contracted with PBS through say . . . Halliburton, would the complaint be the same?
August 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pmTo all who think Moyers is not talking to Rove out of fear- Face Facts! Rove, never responded to those he felt threatened with. Why should he respond to Bill Moyers?
August 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmBURN!
Chris Wallace brought the smackdown on Moyer, who refuses to confront Karl Rove directly on his absurd assertions that Rove is an agnostic. A REAL journalist would collect up this “research” and ASK Karl Rove to comment on them, then incorporate Karl Rove’s comments into the article.
As Chris Wallace pointed out, Moyers didn’t want to include Karl’s comments, because they would have poked holes in the intended smear job that Moyers wanted to print.
THAT makes Moyers a political hack, and NOT a journalist.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:05 pm“A REAL journalist would collect up this “research†and ASK Karl Rove to comment on them, then incorporate Karl Rove’s comments into the article.”
Someone would have to be a world-class boob to think Rove would would tell the truth on this issue.
Jason, you are that boob.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pmA REAL journalist would collect up this “research†and ASK Karl Rove to comment on them, then incorporate Karl Rove’s comments into the article.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 26, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
And a real Stanford U. (or Ivy League) graduate would know that Stanford isn’t in the Ivy League, Jason No Credibility
August 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmKarl Rove does the Devil’s Work (i.e., electing George W. Bush, declaring a preemptive War on Iraq, and declaring that anyone who opposes Bush – or him- is somehow unpatriotic?).
That, my friends, is the mark of Satan — which Karl Rove will carry to the grave and beyond.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:32 pmJust because Rove said to Chris Wallace that he is a Christian, doesn’t mean that he’s a good and a godly person. When someone like Rove slanders others, lies or makes troubles for others isn’t what I’d call a good Christian. How would God rate those kinds of people? It’s easy to say “I believe in God” one day and screw others on the other six days. It’s these Christians that don’t understand cause and effect at all.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:34 pm#300, Kari,
Be that as it may, one should give the subject of their article an opportunity to address the points the “journalist” is trying to make. It is the journalist’s obligation to ask the subject to comment, print the comments, then the journalist can characterize those comments any way they please. To not even bother asking is plainly unethical, but typical of a political hack, and not a true journalist.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:41 pmKarl Rove does the Devil’s Work (i.e., electing George W. Bush, declaring a preemptive War on Iraq, and declaring that anyone who opposes Bush – or him- is somehow unpatriotic?).
That, my friends, is the mark of Satan — which Karl Rove will carry to the grave and beyond.
P.S. And that’s whether he calls himself an Episcopalian or not.
Karl Rove is not the anti-Christ, but he works for him.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:43 pm“Christopher Hitchens doesn’t “hate God†— he simply doesn’t believe in him.”
If Hitchens simply didn’t believe in God, he would just say that and move on.
“However, Rove is ready proof that regardless of your faith (or lack thereof) you can be an agent for evil — for promoting tribalism, separatism, fear and hatred in the service of your own shallow myopic political ends. The only thing worse would be if you were, oh say homophobic while simultaneously having a lesbian daughter, but there’s no one in the Bush administration as cynically repugnant as that, is there”?
Comment by Brian S. — August 26, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
I assume you have proof that Cheney has an irrational fear of homosexuals rather than simply disapproving of their lifestyle? He can love his daughter and disapprove her lifestyle. Many parents find themselves in this position when their children go against their moral values in various ways. Are you suggesting that Cheney turn his back on his daughter or give up his principals and say that her lifestyle is ok even though he believes it is morally wrong? Either choice would be cynically repugnant, eh? ;)
August 26th, 2007 at 11:52 pmuptight left sez:
Apparently,. you failed to read (or comprehend) THE very next sentence in the post you were quoting:
Given this, it’s easy to see why someone would not simply ‘move on’ after denying the existence of God. But I guess it’s easier to refute someone’s reasoning if you only refer to half of what they say, isn’t it?
August 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amStill wonder how the Bush followers find the nerve to post anything about the democrats , should be hiding their heads in shame.
August 27th, 2007 at 12:18 amThese last 6 years this administration has shown corruption to be their main goal ; contract kickbacks , stealing tax dollars that has ear marks for helping our soldiers with the war with Iraq , stealing funds designed for meals for the troops , charging them $1 more for the gas they use in the Iraq war , giving them sewer water to bathe , cook their food and drink , cut their health benefits after they are wounded and back in the states , not giving them the best of armor and equipment that we have.
In doing this they have given their family , friends and war contractors billion of tax dollars with there has be no accountablity which billions have been stolen , vanished , stolen and miss used.
episcoplalian or pissed up testicosticle or whatever….
Comment by ipod — August 26, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
“Higher level of discourse.” ;)
August 27th, 2007 at 12:18 amCan’t say I know what a Mormon is but they tithe 10% so you can’t call the man a piker. Can’t say I know what Episcopalian is except it’s probably traditional for a Bush. Can’t say what the decider decided on for his listed demonation. What say, if I can’t say I know, do that make me agnostic?
August 27th, 2007 at 12:24 am“uptight left sez:”
Heh, heh, good one, monkey. ;)
“Apparently,. you failed to read (or comprehend) THE very next sentence in the post you were quoting:
Hitchens hates the terrible things people do in the name of God.”
“Given this, it’s easy to see why someone would not simply ‘move on’ after denying the existence of God. But I guess it’s easier to refute someone’s reasoning if you only refer to half of what they say, isn’t it?”
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
If that’s the case, monkey, Hitch wouldn’t need to slam God anymore, now would he? He’d only need to slam the people that he decides are guilty. ;)
August 27th, 2007 at 12:39 am“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE.” — Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
August 27th, 2007 at 12:46 am“The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of an eye: the more light you pour on it, the more it contracts.”
Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, U.S. Supreme Court
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.†-Sinclair Lewis
Ho hum,
Another Christian that goes to church on Sunday and sells used cars, worthless insurance and preemptive war Monday thru Saturday.
Comment by Kevin Good — August 26, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
AMEN, Brother! Rove and about 99.9% of the rest of the Klavern that runs the country.
August 27th, 2007 at 12:59 amBrassMask, you’ve been unvieled trolly!
although, we all know that fox and weekly standard are certainly, they themselves, non-profit organizations (biting tongue) we also know they are hardcore neo-con propagandists that create their very own reality to advance an anti-american agenda.
therefore, for you to quote the weekly stabdard as a source of critique against anyone deivering a fact-based presentation exposes you as a simple troll who has yet to ubderstand that the only people foolish enough to take the bait are already faithful 25%ers and your efforts are a waste of energy.
stop making a fool of yourself and go back to pressing your “end times” and “surge is working” and “obama is a muslim” t-shirts.. because those create true blievers. WHEW!
August 27th, 2007 at 1:13 amLibs have a chubby for Rove.
He got away – no indictments – nada.
Sorry Libs no more wet dreams:)
August 27th, 2007 at 1:35 amBill Moyers makes his livin’ at the public money trough.
Grab as much as you can gourge yourself with Bill.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:41 amNot in the least.
I don’t see any attribution to your claims. If it is true, and given that there is a (broken) link with billo’s name in it I would seriously doubt the veracity, it is fine with me. That man has done more good in his life than the whole mr.bush administration and Faux news put together.
And Chris is no Mike Wallace. Poor Mike, I bet this is one father who wished his son didn’t go into the family business.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:45 amHe must be so proud. not.
Chris Wallace is not the right person to criticize Moyers. If Chris ever amounts to even half of Bill Moyers’ stature as a professional, it will come as a shock to a lot of us, especially Wallace’s own father. Mike Wallace does not think much of his son’s professional skills. While Mike has his own share of detractors, Chris talks so fast his brain can’t keep up with the nonsense that queues in his mouth.
Regardless of Rove’s affiliation or lack of it with religion of any kind, it has long been known that Rove actively courted the religious right for its money, but privately referred to them in very derogatory terms. Rove’s inclination treat people like dirt is likely to be one of the things Americans remember most about him.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:46 amMaggie, good post: “I think that those who still believe ANYTHING coming from ANYONE in this administration are absolutely delusional.”
The frightening part of it is that I’m not sure the Democrats are capable of doing enough, or that they are capable of doing better. That’s one of the problems with a two-party system. We put one party in office until they begin to smell, so then we vote in a new party just to change the video and sound bites. We only have two choices if we care if our vote counts. What we need is more power for citizens to change the top when they’ve clearly lost their way. Congress won’t do it, but American voters will if given the chance.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:57 amWhat’s that old, vulgar expression about the best part of Chris Wallace having run down his distinguished father’s leg?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:03 amRove seems strange to me, for someone who stated he resigned because he wanted to spend more time with his family, he’s spending a lot of time hitting the media circuit. At least when Clinton lied nobody died.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:06 am#307 – aleph i am with you – i can’t say i know what any of them are – but an escapalalian could be a terrorist
August 27th, 2007 at 4:06 amAttending a church service doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to a garage makes you a car. Rove’s forte is drive-by slander.
August 27th, 2007 at 7:04 amWhy didn’t Mike Wallace b-slap his kid long ago when he decided to work for the Fake News Combany? Couldn’t Mike get his kid a job at CBS? Or was he an apple that fell a mile from the tree and not skilled enough to do good journalistic work?
As for Rove – heh – he is loved by the 19% crowd, those fat cats that have for almost 7 years benefitted from his pulling of the social, economic and classist strings of the chump in charge. He is teflon. He is also a liar when he claims devotion to anything besides money and power. He will now work for the Hillary Haters to attempt to dislodge her from the trust of the middle class.
When will somone do something to help the middle class? When and if Hillary is elected we will find out. It’s our best chance.
Beware the Hillary Haters. Believe nothing you hear from them. Return disdain to them. Get Jeffersonian on them.
August 27th, 2007 at 8:07 amI endorse Bill Moyers making a “profit” on his work. He does not take money from the same corporate clowns that Chris Wallace, Bill O’Reilley or any of the other TV and radio broadcasters do… by making his own deal directly with his listeners and viewers he maintains his integrity. That’s Great! I hope he makes millions! (at the very least I know he’ll invest it in revealing even more of what scumbags like Rove are doing to this country)…
Bravo Bill!
August 27th, 2007 at 8:13 amFox News making partisanship so easy even a caveman will understand it.
August 27th, 2007 at 8:33 amWhy the hell would anyone watch Chris Wallace anyway, that PRAT.
August 27th, 2007 at 9:14 amChris Wallace, did you forget to take your medication again? You naughty boy. You can not keep going on like that. Tell Mr. Moyers you are sorry for what you did and don’t forget, take you meds always.
August 27th, 2007 at 9:36 amThis is why the Puddin’Face Fox Dough-Boy works for Fox !! He is willing to stoop so low as to defend TURD-BLOSSOM !!! Of course his Dad was pretty quick to sell out also when it came to $$$$$–I.E. Big Tobacco !
August 27th, 2007 at 9:55 amAll Turd Blossom really did was to break the unwritten Commandment–THOU SHALT NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE IGNORANT–as in all the RED STATE BILLIES He convinced to vote for the Saintly Bush !!!!!
August 27th, 2007 at 10:03 amAnyone working for fox relinquishes the right to call themselves a journalist. Its really a babysitting channel for angry geriatrics.
August 27th, 2007 at 10:09 amSooner or later they will fade into oblivion, where they belong.
Too much to post just google
August 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amclarence swinney
+ bush waffles
+ bush lies
+ goofus
+ how to identify a republican
+ econovomits
+ moogumboo
+ king richard
I just read where – with Alberto (lying kiss-ass) GOnzales already having submitted his resignation, and while he was at Crawford with “w” discussing the resignation – the White House press spokesman said they “had no indication” that gonzo was planning to resign. So – with the facts staring them – and America – in the face…this administration LIED TO US. Shame on them! This administration needs to be removed and IMPEACHED TODAY. God Damn this administration, God Bless America!
August 27th, 2007 at 10:52 amRove is first class scum.
August 27th, 2007 at 11:00 amI endorse Bill Moyers making a “profit†on his work. He does not take money from the same corporate clowns that Chris Wallace, Bill O’Reilley or any of the other TV and radio broadcasters do… by making his own deal directly with his listeners and viewers he maintains his integrity. Comment by btchakir — August 27, 2007 @ 8:13 am
No deal with viewers. Just taking money directly from the federal govt. Try and stop your part of the money from going to him once. See how that works for ya, then say you made a deal with him. ;)
August 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amRove is a religious camelion. If we were prdominantly Jewish populated country, guess what religion he’d be?
A true agnostic/atheist is not ashamed of his belief. If he’s truly “found” religion (many quotes from his past state otherwise), then congratulations to him. whoop-dee-fricking-do. I’m skeptical about his assertation because I know that the Fox viewership (Wallace is a great example) take his word at face value. It’s that easy. Look at Bush. He says he’s Christian but where does it show? I’m trying to remember how many wars Jesus started and who he said we should hate instead of love. And that line where Jesus said “be rich and greedy, for it is good” where was that again? But the fact is he just says he’s Christian, invokes the words “god” and “jesus” and then all the sudden he the masses at Fox think he is a Good Man (TM). But if an atheist came on Fox, even if he lived in poverty and donated millions to helping the poor, he’d be chastised as the devil.
Fun stuff!
August 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pm…Huh. So believing what the White House tells you without question is part of reporting 101?
That…explains an awful lot, actually.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOh please…so good sources are the kind that say “…I distinctly recall…” or “…told his friend…” or “…told a colleague. Correct me if I’m wrong but where I come from we call this type of sourcing hearsay. You know, the kind of sourcing that gets thrown out of court. The kind of sourcing that is unverified or unofficial information. Oh hell lets call it what it really is…rumor mongering.
To avoid rumor mongering Mr. Moyer could have gone to the source. I’m sure Mr. Rove would have been glad to talk to him. However, Mr. Moyer instead chose the lazy route. He chose the cut and paste route. He chose the type of reporting one does when one cannot get beyond their own biases.
An unbiased reporter/investigator would go to Mr. Rove and request an interview. An unbiased reporter/investigator would most certainly make attempts to find out what church/s Mr. Rove frequented and perhaps even question some members of the congregation. An unbiased reporter would most certainly check sources quoted by others. Mr. Moyer did none of these things. Instead what Mr. Moyer did do was show us his utter lack of neutrality.
Moreover, by not questioning Mr. Rove directly, Mr. Moyer also showed us his utter lack of balls. Really…he doesn’t have any I heard it from a friend who was talking to his sister who knows………
August 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pmAn objective journalist writing about another person’s faith would have included an actual interview with the subject instead of just basing their article on hearsay.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pmSorry Chris baby. You are not even fit to walk on the same path as Bill Moyers.
You talk about Journalism 101…shit!
Moyer’s has forgotten more about journalism than you will EVER know.
Why don’t you go back to your daddy and ask him to explain the real world to you.
For you to even make comments about Bill Moyer is outrageous!
On your best day, you couldn’t come up to his knee. Creep.
Go back to Fox Noise where you belong. At least there no one will attirbute your blathering with reality.
Didn’t you learn anything when Clinton knocked you on your ass on nationwide television?
Just go away and leave the reporting to real JOURNALISTS!
August 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pmChris Matthews has insulted Moyers and his own father by not practicing “Reporting 101.” How stupid can he be.
Chris, llearn to respect your elders and the work they left behind before and after you were in diapers.
August 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pmWallace is right. Using hearsay without checking with the man you’re accusing is unprofessional, incompetent and cowardly.
He’s pwned but will never know it because he’s so used to PBS and it’s “never an opposing viewpoint” NOW program.
Just last month he had two guys on both screaming for impeachment, even though most democrats know what an idiotic idea it is. Unbury your head Bill while you’re still breathing. This is the same clown who trumpeted LBJs war and now says he was always against it.
August 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pmIf you want to know if a politician believes in God, just ask him. And, if you want to know if O.J. Simpson killed Nicole, just ask him. And if you want to know if Bill Clinton has sex with ‘that woman,’ just ask him. No need for investigative journalism. If you want the truth, just go to the source and ask them.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:48 amThe whole point of Moyers comments is that Rove is a liar and a hypocrit that prays upon the faithful.
You can’t counter that argument by “asking” Rove if he’s a liar and a hypocrit.
The WHOLE point is that Rove can’t be relied on to provide a straight answer…THAT’s why the statments of other people is relevent.
Sheesh.
~Foo Fighter~
August 28th, 2007 at 11:35 am