‘Hearts and minds’ campaign insults Afghans.
By on Aug 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
‘Hearts and minds’ campaign insults Afghans.
On Friday, the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan distributed footballs as part of its “hearts and minds” campaign to win over “support from the local population.” But the footballs instead “kicked off a storm of protest” because they were illustrated with the flags of several nations, including bearing “Koranic verses as part of the flag of Saudi Arabia.” Protestors said it was “insulting for texts from the Koran to be put on the ground and kicked.”
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The US really, REALLY needs to begin studying these countries before they take any more action. Everything we try seems to be done without any knowledge.
And the Afghans need to lighten the f*ck up. The US was just trying to help, chill out! So the US made (yet another) mistake. Let us apologize, and don’t freak out. The US meant well.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pmYou know, if you guys delved into the problems they’re having with the opium production, you could find things to write about which aren’t silly and meaningless.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:10 pmOMG!! Another example of the intelligence this BushCo Keystone Kop Klan possesses. At least they didn’t put Mohamed’s picture on the soccer balls!
This may even too much for Jon Stewart to report with a straight face.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI think middle easterners have a particular aversion to having shoes touch anything they value. Shoes touching flags or verses from the Koran are probably particularly offensive. Who is making these decisions I wonder and what are their qualifications?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pmThe Bush administration is completely and utterly incompetent.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:15 pmIt’s obvious (to us, anyway) that the U.S. was well-meaning and meant no harm. But this isn’t just common ignorance, it has to be blamed on a brain fart on somebody’s part. After all, would we put Jesus on a football and then kick it around?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmJust to be clear, this isn’t American style footballs then?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmmissmolly
After all, would we put Jesus on a football and then kick it around?
Democrats, if I’m reading my talking point right.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmMore outrageous f’in incompetence. My interpretation? The people behind this kind of thing are simply too arrogant to learn about and develop respect for other cultures. In short, it is a manifestation of racism.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmWho is making these decisions
Incompetent idiots.
I wonder and what are their qualifications?
A law degree from Regent “University”.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pmDoes anybody EVER do any research into the local taboos before distributing propoganda trying to get them to like us?
oh that’s right, they did have some employees like that, but they were gay so they had to leave.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pmSounds like Karen Hughes is behind this. It’s gotta be another dumbf@ck from Texas. (sorry to the few enlightened ones)
August 27th, 2007 at 1:20 pmJust to be clear, this isn’t American style footballs then?
Comment by squegeeboo — August 27, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
The link said they were soccer balls.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThis is what you get when you have Karen Hughes and the Midland, Texas Junior Chamber of Commerce design your international outreach efforts.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmsquegeeboo
Actually not squegee. Democrats have no interest in putting Jesus on a football and kicking it around.
You have gotten us confused with Christians. Jesus on a keychain, shot glass, t-shirt, hat, etc. Any number of things. In case you think I am mistaken, go into any Christian Bookstore.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmThis can’t be an honest mistake. Even Comedy Central knew better than to do something so stupid.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pmI have an Image of Bush on my toilet paper
August 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pmJust get standard-issue footballs and give them out fer chrissakes! Why do bureaucrats have to overthink everything–gee, wouldn’t in be empowering if we put the flags of other Middle-Eastern countries on the balls? That would make them special! The reality is the kids won’t care one way or another and we should know by now that Islam can be sensitive about things that we have no clue about. Just because we put our flag anywhere and everywhere doesn’t mean other cultures do.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWell there’s just no pleasing these “savages”, now is there… Why can’t they just let Cheney build his trans-Caspian oil pipeline in peace?
Let them eat cake… or play soccer.. or whatever!
August 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pm/sarcasm yikes
August 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmObama talks to Jebsus too just like GW….
(CNN) — Speaking to Sunday church congregants in New Orleans, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama invoked Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount days before the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
“Getting ready to talk to you today, I recall what Jesus said at the end of the Sermon on the Mount,” Obama said at New Orleans’ First Emmanuel Baptist Church. “He said, whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock.”
“The rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. But it did not fall, because it was founded on the rock,” he continued.
Barack (promise them everything Jebsus) Obama 2008!
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comment by RM
The wise man may build his house on a rock, but the foolish man builds his house 16′ below sea level in an area surrounded by lakes and rivers, and is then greatly astonished when a hurricane floods the city.
There’s not enough government in the world to fix dumb.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIt’s obvious (to us, anyway) that the U.S. was well-meaning and meant no harm. But this isn’t just common ignorance, it has to be blamed on a brain fart on somebody’s part. After all, would we put Jesus on a football and then kick it around?
Comment by missmolly — August 27, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Just another example of how this regime had no clue before, during or after the invasion or Iraq and the effort in Afghanistan. Don’t know the language, culture, history, religion, etc. What douchebags!
August 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmU.S. officials say the story is “not accurate”.
Because everyone knows that “football” is not “soccer”.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pmCitizenX
You have gotten us confused with Christians. Jesus on a keychain, shot glass, t-shirt, hat, etc. Any number of things. In case you think I am mistaken, go into any Christian Bookstore.
Don’t forget the dashboard suction cup Jesus, he’s my favorite.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:33 pmI think the ignorance stems from a couple of things. The problem was the Saudi Arabian flag, which contains the Islamic declaration of faith — “there is no god but God, and Muhammed is His messenger”. An average American who doesn’t know the Arabic alphabet or language might not even recognize that those squiggles in the middle of the flag actually mean something.
Two — we might plaster words from our scripture all over the place (the ten commandments, the Lord’s Prayer, the 23rd Psalm, John 3:16, etc.) and don’t think twice about how the object it’s printed on is treated.
The average American also tends to assume that what doesn’t offend us wouldn’t offend anyone else. Yet we DO have standards for our flag. We object to it being burned in protest, to being dragged on the ground, to being sat on, stepped on, etc. (yet, oddly, we have no problem with it being put on a football and kicked). So if we have rules of how to treat our flag with respect, why is it such a stretch to believe that other countries have standards as well?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:34 pmYou can’t win unless you understand the battlefield.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSometime you can’t win for trying.
The soccer balls in question were made for last year’s World Cup and have the flag of each country that participated in the event printed on the ball.
They were donated as a gift for the children of Afghanistan and distributed by the US military.
Here is a picture of the ball:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-1375808.html
….which ,BTW, also has the image of Israel’s flag
August 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmDoes ANYONE ever check with people of different cultures before launching a new “hearts and minds” program?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmNo one seems to have an interest in learning the history, sociology, culture or religion of another country — it’s like they just assume everyone is like the U.S. Provincial idiots.
They should put a picture of GW Bush on some soccer balls and pass them ou tin the ME. See how much kickin’ would be done then. They would have riots due to a short supply and high demand.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSqueege,
One mans graven image is another mans trinket. No doubt.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThe wise man may build his house on a rock, but the foolish man builds his house 16′ below sea level in an area surrounded by lakes and rivers, and is then greatly astonished when a hurricane floods the city.
There’s not enough government in the world to fix dumb.
Comment by Obama Girl — August 27, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
There are no houses in New Orleans 16′ below sea level.
The astonishment came not with the flooding by the hurricane. The astonishment has at least these two parts: 1. that the levees built by the United States Army Corps of Engineers were so shoddy that they failed under far lower stress than the design called for, and 2. that the United States of America has made so little effort to help Americans get their lives back together.
Perhaps you seek to prove your last point by your own example.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI wonder why no one complained about the balls last year during the World Cup, when thousands of them were sold around the world?
August 27th, 2007 at 1:42 pmThere’s not enough government in the world to fix dumb.
Comment by Obama Girl
I know. All those hicks in Indiana and Ohio that got flooded out because they live in a river plain. What idiots. Then they expected the government to come rescue them from their rooftops. Probably now they want some assistance and have the insurance companies pay them…what morons.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmI wonder why no one complained about the balls last year during the World Cup, when thousands of them were sold around the world?
Comment by Ringo
Probably because some idiot religious fanatic wants to stir up trouble. THose kind can’t help themselves. Words of Allah this….Must prepare the world for the coming of Jesus that….they are all the same.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pmLOL! Koranic verses on footballs!! What’s next? Star & Stripes burkas for the ladies? Allah popsicles for the kids? And it wouldn’t surprise in the least if there’s some politically connected, college-aged GOP intern sitting in a jacuzzi somewhere inside the green zone planning the very first annual Fallujah Family get-together pork chop BBQ and beer bust. Good lord these people are effing stupid.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pmthey are all the same.
Comment by dlet
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No, they’re not the same:
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/subcontinent/2007/August/subcontinent_August1082.xml§ion=subcontinent
August 27th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI sure hope we didn’t do something stupid like send them pointy “footballs” instead of the international round football.
August 27th, 2007 at 1:55 pmStick football in mouth, kick hard.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWhat is it about the US state dept? Are they just plain stupid?
would we put Jesus on a football and then kick it around?
Comment by missmolly — August 27, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
I’d love to! Where can I get my kick Jeebus football? Ebay? Daryll’s website?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pmComment by Ringo
Please. Sad story but beheaded, bombed from a mile in the sky, shot, get cancer from depleted uranium, etc…..it’s all the same. You’re dead.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:06 pmNo, they’re not the same:
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/ DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/ subcontinent/ 2007/ August/ subcontinent_August1082.xml§ion=subcontinent
Comment by Ringo — August 27, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Ummm so we have kids walking into their high school and shooting 11 classmates, we have mothers driving their children into lakes, drowning them in bathtubs. Us Americans hold no moral high standing.
Grow up Ringo.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI wonder why no one complained about the balls last year during the World Cup, when thousands of them were sold around the world?
Comment by Ringo — August 27, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
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They did. According to Wikipedia:
“Saudi Arabia protested against its inclusion on a planned football to be issued by FIFA, bearing all the flags of the participants of the 2002 Football World Cup. Saudi officials said that kicking the creed with the foot was completely unacceptable.”
So it isn’t just a new rule meant to diss Americans.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI think the real scandal here is that we are encouraging children to play that dullest and most inane “sports,” soccer.
Give them a REAL football!
August 27th, 2007 at 2:10 pmGive them a REAL football!
Comment by Exley — August 27, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
And real American values like Vick has huh?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe US meant well.
Comment by AnonymousByChoice
Forget the footballs. They are invading their country.
I guess you will be so “Lighten up” when a foreign military force strolls around your neighborhood.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pmGive them a REAL football!
Comment by Exley
Yeah, lets pump everybody with steroids and watch them die becuz of “heat” waves.
Wanna be tough? Play rugby.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pmGive them a REAL football!
Comment by Exley
Of course you don’t mention any protective padding for them. Why do you want kids to hurt themselves? Do you hate them? Beacause they are Iraqis?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pmOooops.
State dept didn’t get the objection to ball memo and Obama didn’t get the “dems are Christophobic” memo.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“OMG!! Another example of the intelligence this BushCo Keystone Kop Klan possesses. At least they didn’t put Mohamed’s picture on the soccer balls!”
Mohamed’s picture on soccer balls? Heck, that might sell over here in the U.S.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pmDo you hate them? Beacause they are Iraqis?
Comment by dlet
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They’re Afghans, actually.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI guess you will be so “Lighten up†when a foreign military force strolls around your neighborhood.
Comment by Juan C
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I guess you’d prefer the Taliban?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThis is a BS story. No doubt, I’m sure it happened, but it was probably instigated from within not-so-friendly elements in Khost. Case in point is that Khost is a big place and 100 people turning out for a piss-off-rally isn’t a big deal. Second, I know exactly how these programs work and what it involved was someone going through a supplier in the region (ie probably in Pakistan or Kuwait) to acquire them. It wasn’t USACAPOC at Ft.Bragg designing special soccer balls and someone missing the cultural outrage equation. These soccer balls have probably been used throughout the region and not pissed people off until now. It’s probably a manufactured outrage, in my opinion.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI guess you’d prefer the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo
Exactly the point!! I have no say in what that people´s regime should or should not have.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmSo it isn’t just a new rule meant to diss Americans.
Comment by missmolly
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Thanks for the update.
At least let’s uderstand that these balls were printed by the World Cup assoc. and donated the the children of Afghanistan…..If there was a controversy over the inclusion of the Saudi flag, then the World Cup should have know better and donated the balls the the poor children of Haiti or Peru.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmbe…should or should not be. Sorry.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmBTW, Afghanistan is the largest manufacturer in soccer balls.
And opium… just saying.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThey’re Afghans, actually.
Comment by Ringo
Thanks for the correction. Did you ever do that…ya know…thank someone for correcting your erroneous statements?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIf you’ve got enough time and energy to complain about something as stupid as having your religious screed or icon “kicked” because it’s on a football of some-sorts, you really, REALLY need to find something better to do with your time.
Perhaps it’s time to look outside of religion for the answers to your “problems”?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pmComment by Juan C — August 27, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Shouldn’t we have an interest in the well being of our fellow humans and thus a say in the “regime” which rules their country, or do you advocate nationalism and selfish isolationism?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:34 pmExactly the point!! I have no say in what that people´s regime should or should not have.
Comment by Juan C
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I guess as someone who’s mind has been rotted away by moral and cultural relativism, the Taliban, with their public executions of women, their destrction of ancient art, and their harboring of al-Qaeda, is no better or worse than, say, the government of Canada or Costa Rica.
None of our business, right?
You make me sick.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:37 pmI guess you’d prefer the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo
Furthermore, Taliban represses its own people.
US represses other people economically, politically and with the use of force.
To be fair not just the US: Rich countries.
So whats really the difference between a woman stoned to death by the Taliban, than a Bangladesh 7 y/o prostitute forced by their relatives to earn some money because the greatness of free trade is just for some few people?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThanks for the correction. Did you ever do that…ya know…thank someone for correcting your erroneous statements?
Comment by dlet
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Yes…See #54.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:38 pmFurthermore, Taliban represses its own people.
US represses other people economically, politically and with the use of force.
To be fair not just the US: Rich countries.
So whats really the difference between a woman stoned to death by the Taliban, than a Bangladesh 7 y/o prostitute forced by their relatives to earn some money because the greatness of free trade is just for some few people?
Comment by Juan C
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Your Marxism has ruined your mind.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:40 pmMaybe we could send them Frisbees with the Saudi flag, that way the words of Allah could float on the winds.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:40 pmSomeone please tell me that these were at least Soccer balls – at least then it would be a sport the people there play as opposed to us trying to impose “Westernization” (knowing how much other countries love us trying to make them into our clones).
And if an American Football – please tell me that they’re not printing the Koran on an object and then referring to it as “pig skin”
This is bad, even for us.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYes…See #54.
Comment by Ringo
Doesn’t count. You asked a question and someone answered it. There was no correction made. But that’s ok…my question was more rhetorical than anything.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmFurthermore, Taliban represses its own people.
US represses other people economically, politically and with the use of force.
Comment by Juan C
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So, in your estimation, the United States is worse than the Taliban?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmwhich rules their country, or do you advocate nationalism and selfish isolationism?
Comment by Troll
Sovereignity. Look it up.
None of our business, right?
You make me sick.
Comment by Ringo
Could you explain me your business in Granada, Vietnam, NIcaragua, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Panama, Cuba, East Timor, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Indonesia, Philippines, etc, etc? Oh, so many businesses!!
You have been played like a cheap violin. All your invasions/intwerventions and landings were just to support economic interests of american corporations. And even your own people admit that, just read the Wall Street Journal Ed.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmDoesn’t count.
Comment by dlet
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Alright.
You’re welcome.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pmSo, in your estimation, the United States is worse than the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo
What a stupid question. Oh, I like better Uruguay than Luxemburgo…take that Luxemburgo!!! WTF is that?
Better or worse in which sense? How old are you? Is this just a pissing game for you? Which one is better? The West is better and the other ones suck.
But just to try to answer your kindergarten question:
Lets see:
US = 180 landings in foreign countries.
Taliban = 0.
?????????
August 27th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYour Marxism has ruined your mind.
Comment by Ringo
I forgot that you drivel when cornered.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI guess as someone who’s mind has been rotted away by moral and cultural relativism, the Taliban, with their public executions of women, their destrction of ancient art, and their harboring of al-Qaeda, is no better or worse than, say, the government of Canada or Costa Rica.
None of our business, right?
You make me sick.
Comment by Ringo — August 27, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Yah in America we execute (men &) women in private, our 12th century technique of killing is much better than 11th century public killings. All other advanced societies have moved past execution period, let god sort them out.
And only in America (and other overly religious) countries do you deny science so adamantly. We’re so much more advanced, we know what’s better because JESUS SAID SO!!! And if you don’t believe it we’ll bomb you with a 500lb’er which is so much more “civil” than blowing you up with a car bomb.
You right wingers are so stupid. Let’s no forget who trained Al Qadea and supported them for many years. Yup USA/CIA…
Harboring Al Qaeda == Pakistan, why are we in Iraq?
Did I say right wingers were stupid…..
August 27th, 2007 at 2:47 pmSo, in your estimation, the United States is worse than the Taliban?
Comment by Ringo
Depends on the data used I guess. If you asked how many innocent civilians have been killed within the past 7 years between the two groups then you wouldn’t like the answer. Even if you asked which group produces the largest amount of illegal narcotics you still wouldn’t like the answer. Or how many of its own “citizens” it has executed. We still have the freedoms edge though.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:47 pmDid I say right wingers were stupid…..
Comment by Troll Lover — August 27, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
No need…. that would just be restating the obvious.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:51 pmWe still have the freedoms edge though.
Comment by dlet — August 27, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
But idiots like Ringo are ready to give them all up if it means defeating the terrorists… In the NEVER ending battle. Rinse – Repeat
Have I said right wingers are stupid today?
August 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmJaun C,
I usually ignore your comments because you are clearly a brain-fried old Marx-cultist.
There is no arguing with someone whose entire worldview is based on false presumptions and blind-faith in a system that has been dicredited a thousand times over at a cost of tens of millions of lives lost and hundreds of millions enslaved.
In fact, your mind is so far gone that you can’t even see the difference
August 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmbetween freedom and slavery.
Comment by RepublicansAreFascists — August 27, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Congratulations — you just managed to totally disrespect a major religion by implying that one of their major practices is “stupid”. Way to go.
I won’t go into WHY kicking their affirmation of faith is offensive, or why they have a “thing” about shoes, or why they like to keep all things having to do with God (”Allah” in Arabic) holy and respected — as I doubt you would understand.
However, if you have any religious beliefs of your own, you might — if others did something that disrespected the way you worship, intentional or not.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYeah, Ringo, my Marxists mind (whatever the hell that is to you) told me Saddam had no WMDs.
You must feel like an idiot after 6 years.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pmOh, before I forget…you havent answered to any of my “lunacies” with some of your reality-based mind. Im sure you can find some facts against my ranting.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI usually ignore your comments because you are clearly a brain-fried old Marx-cultist.
Comment by Ringo
There really is nothing horrible with Marxism. It was the people that got into power that drove the collapse of the societies that used it as a form of government. They were corrupt…the ideas weren’t.
August 27th, 2007 at 2:59 pmComment by Juan C — August 27, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
To be sure Juan 7 y/os should not be forced into prostitution and if the gov of Bangladesh were the culprit in this crime then the civilized world should act. As it is that gov is not the culprit nor is “free trade”. The grand leap to implicate free trade for this woe indicates how severely your critical thinking skills have been effected by the indoctrination and reeducation of marxist ideology.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pmJaun C,
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/wp-content/images/taliban-woman-tn.jpg
http://www.texasdrivesafe.com/images/happy-woman.jpg
What’s better?….Who are we to judge?
Right?
So long Jaun C.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pmJaun C,
I usually ignore your comments because you are clearly a brain-fried old Marx-cultist.
There is no arguing with someone whose entire worldview is based on false presumptions and blind-faith in a system that has been dicredited a thousand times over at a cost of tens of millions of lives lost and hundreds of millions enslaved.
In fact, your mind is so far gone that you can’t even see the difference
between freedom and slavery.
Comment by Ringo
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Bingo Ringo!
August 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmComment by Ringo — August 27, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
WTF is that all about? Are you showing where some of the missing weapons have gone in picture 1 and a caffeined-up person with an eating disorder and a sense of humor on the second?
August 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmHey Jaun,
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Marxist loser
Hey Juanny,
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Marxist loser
Ringo is good at getting disturbing pictures. I wonder if he can find one of a woman being executed in a “civilized” way like we do in the US. And I wish someone had a camera for this one…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/09/AR2007080900417.html
August 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIt was the people that got into power that drove the collapse of the societies that used it as a form of government. They were corrupt…the ideas weren’t.
Comment by dlet
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No…It is the system itself. Most Communists/ Marxists / Socialists are idealists but the system is flawed at it’s core and so everytime it is inflicted on a society you get the same resault; gulags, re-education camps, oppression, the crushing of dissent and mass-murder.
Marxism can only be forced onto a people where as capitalism is what people do when allowed to be free under a constitutional framework.
Read FA Hayek’s, The Road to Serfdom or The Fatal Conciet:
http://www.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-Fiftieth-Anniversary/dp/0226320618/ref=sr_1_3/102-5992094-6230547?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188242005&sr=1-3
http://amazon.com/dp/0226320669/ref=s9_asin_image_1-1966_p/102-5992094-6230547?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0W7MEN2KPX42ECN0MT53&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=288448501&pf_rd_i=507846
August 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pmRingo is good at getting disturbing pictures. I wonder if he can find one of a woman being executed in a “civilized†way like we do in the US. And I wish someone had a camera for this one…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 08/ 09/ AR2007080900417.html
Comment by dlet
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In the US we execute people for murder not for allowing the sun to shine on a woman’s face.
I’m sorry that you cannot see the difference.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pmYou pick a posed, fake, not real, advertising image, stock photo for the US women? You are a fu*king joke.
Why didn’t you pick the picture of the retarded women that was executed in Texas after Bush joked about it?
Because you can’t come to terms with that facts.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI can see the difference in the reasons why someone is killed but dead is dead and its taken by those in authority….acting like they have the right to take your life for reasons they see fit. No one should have that power. And to sit there and parse reasons for killing someone is sad.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmAnd to sit there and parse reasons for killing someone is sad.
Comment by dlet — August 27, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
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Like I said before, I’m sad that you cannot see the difference between executing a murderer and executing a teenage girl for showing her face.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by Juan C — August 27, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
No person with a mind and a heart would justify the abuse of a population with a defense of “Sovereignity” any more than we would overlook the child being forced into prostitution because the family is sovereign. That child should be helped and anyone with a ounce of humanity would do what they could to prevent the abuse. So too we reach out to the oppressed on a national level and do what we can. Sometimes unfortunately that is not enough.
At times our political leaders have manipulated the citizens of the US to act in ways which would benifit corporate America but most often the minds and hearts of the people of the US are in solidarity with their brethren whom they seek to aid.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:23 pmI’m sure this brilliant idea came from the razor-sharp mind of Karen Hughes.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:23 pmHer job is to quell the rising anti-americanism in the Muslim world.
“Ambassador” Hughes couldn’t have failed greater at that job if she tried.
But she’s not trying, of course. Follow the money and you’ll find probably that
some big Bush donor is a Texas football manufacturer.
I can see the difference thanks. So you can stop saying that. There are murders everyday in the US because someone looked at someone wrong at a party. They were black, they were white, they had money, they took my parking spot, homeless are killed for fun, Federal buildings are blown up, doctors are killed because some religious freak think killing is bad(duh), so please I get it…
August 27th, 2007 at 3:26 pm….some big Bush donor is a Texas football manufacturer.
Comment by xegar
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The balls were made for last year’s World Cup and were donated as a gift to the children of Afghanistan.
…and how exactly would a Texas ball manufacturer make any money by giving away free balls in Afghanistan?
Your BDS is getting the better of you.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pmso please I get it…
Comment by dlet — August 27, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
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No you don’t.
I’m out.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmNo you don’t.
Comment by Ringo
Yes I do. It’s called selective hate and you have it bad.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:30 pmGood, then go sign up to fight the “war” then. We are going to need over 600,000 troops according to Dick Cheney to get the job done and yo would just be blowing smoke would you. I mean you do want to finish the job and not let it go on forever right?
August 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Comment by Bob — August 27, 2007 @ 3:11 pm”
Please, please check with your health care professional for medication that may help with the affliction from which you suffer.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pmJuan C. has cogent posts. Your ‘art work’ is certainly uncalled for and only points out your immaturity.
Wow, your brain will only allow to think back one step.
You do realize that somebody sold them to the World Cup Org right? I mean you can think back farther than one step can’t you?
August 27th, 2007 at 3:33 pmNo one should have that power. And to sit there and parse reasons for killing someone is sad.
Comment by dlet — August 27, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
dlet
August 27th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI too am oppossed to the death penalty in the US but I would disagree that this power should never be used. Under certain conditions the death penalty is the only option for the physical security of a populace. Women showing their faces is not a physical threat to anyone. Be careful you dont take extremist positions or everyone will think your retarded like Juan.
If someone had distributed soccer balls with Bush’ puss on them to be kicked around, some people would laugh, and some would be highly offended. If they came from a foreign nation, (let’s say Iran) what do you think the reaction would be?
August 27th, 2007 at 3:35 pmMore importnantly, if they are going to post some lame ass ASCII art, he could at least come up with his own instead copying and pasting the same old tired middle finger ASCII art I used to post 20 years ago on BBS forums before he was even born.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWow, your brain will only allow to think back one step.
You do realize that somebody sold them to the World Cup Org right? I mean you can think back farther than one step can’t you?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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You are an imbecile.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:36 pmBut, you are okay with red neck republicans tying a gay guy to a fence post and beating him to death? I know many of the trolls here are fine with it. Be careful which side you take in an argument or you might fall onto the side of the extremists.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Spudge can always be counted on to say “go sign up then”. Its getting old bud try to think of something clever to say.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:39 pmKeep trying retard. I only pointed out the issue you have with your brain and this is the best you can come up with. Weak sauce there chief.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBut, you are okay with red neck republicans tying a gay guy to a fence post and beating him to death? I know many of the trolls here are fine with it. Be careful which side you take in an argument or you might fall onto the side of the extremists.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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The people who killed Matthew Sheppard should be executed for their horrible crime.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pmUnder certain conditions the death penalty is the only option for the physical security of a populace. Women showing their faces is not a physical threat to anyone.
Comment by Troll
Well I linked a story of some people killing othere execution style in the US along with the use of capital punishment. So my argument wasn’t just based on that. The point I am making is that killing by thugs who think they have the power to do so is not limited to those in Afghanistan. Ringo just can’t see that it is in every society including our own but he uses a story such as that to find hatred for a religion as a whole. The Taliban are cruel and thugs. Agreed.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBut, you left off the most important part:
This would be the most important part. Why, because there are still lots of red necks who think the killers did the right thing and they are backed up by their religion, just like the people you hate.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by Spudge_Boy
Or chaining a black man the bumper of a pick-up and going for a drive…
August 27th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBut, you are okay with red neck republicans tying a gay guy to a fence post and beating him to death? I know many of the trolls here are fine with it. Be careful which side you take in an argument or you might fall onto the side of the extremists.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Spudge
August 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI know reading comprehension is not your forte so go back and read what I wrote, if you can find were I condoned tying a gay guy to a fence post and beating him to death Ill admit to being an extremist if not you admit you are retarded like Juan.
THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY POST. YOU DIN’T DENOUNCE IT. GO BACK AND READ MY POST YOU PIECE OF SH!T.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAre you getting sick of being reminded of what a panty waste pu$$y you are? Truth hurts don’t it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
That was not clever it was juvenile.
We have been down that road I am too old to sign up. When I was young enough I was a liberal (aka panty waste pu$$y) and a pacifist. Now I understand that we have certain obligations to our fellow man. Not to wipe his butt for him but to not allow others to prohibit him from wiping his butt.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:53 pmNot to wipe his butt for him but to not allow others to prohibit him from wiping his butt.
Comment by Troll — August 27, 2007
So what part of that statement does Iraq fall into? How many other countries are we going to invade where there are people who are prevented from wiping their own butts by dictator thugs or abusive royal families?
August 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmNaw, you are just a pu$$y. You have already told us your age and we know you are younger than 42. Next excuse for the pu$$y that won’t serve his country. I will keep saying “go sign-up” because I already have served during a war that I supported, because that is what real men do. They don’t come up with excuses to allow his fellow Americans to die for a cause he wouldn’t fight himself. Pu$$y.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pmWhen I was young enough I was a liberal (aka panty waste pu$$y) and a pacifist. Now I understand that we have certain obligations to our fellow man.
Comment by Troll
I love this explanation. I got older and my brain started to lose cognitive thought, I lose my keys more often, kids started playing on my lawn, I wear a diaper again and then I turned a Republican. Nice.
August 27th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Of coarse I denounce that? Do you really have to ask such a retarded question when I have given absolutely no indication that I would would condone such an act? You folks like to try to pigeon hold anyone who might slightly disagree with your allegedly “progressive” ideology as a red neck republican and it shows truly how narrow minded you are. It would be like going up to a black and assuming he like the stereotypical water mellon and friiiiied chicken. Bigots!!!!
August 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI shouldn’t have to ask. It should have been part of your original statement.
Okay, once and for all: WHO DOESN’T LIKE FIRED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON YOU STUPID FU*K?
August 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmMarxism can only be forced onto a people where as capitalism is what people do when allowed to be free under a constitutional framework.
Read FA Hayek’s, The Road to Serfdom or The Fatal Conciet:
http://www.amazon.com/ Road-Serfdom-Fiftieth-Anniversary/ dp/ 0226320618/ ref=sr_1_3/ 102-5992094-6230547?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188242005&sr=1-3
http://amazon.com/ dp/ 0226320669/ ref=s9_asin_image_1-1966_p/ 102-5992094-6230547?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0W7MEN2KPX42ECN0MT53&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=288448501&pf_rd_i=507846
Comment by Ringo
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Libs do not read stuff other than Chomsky bullsh*t
August 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmSpudster is needs to be whacked, he is out of control as usual.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmSpudgster is a “family values” type.
He is has been inbred twice already.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:16 pmspuddie boy can u spell?
August 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmIs that the best you can come up with Bob? Weak.
Try again. Never read any of that stuff. Unlike you republican trolls, I think for myself. I just watch you fu*kers break the law and then I do the opposite, while pointing out that you are breaking the law at which point you come up with some drivel about bullsh!t nobody cares about while you break more laws. Rinse and repeat.
Keep it up, you make my job easy. Little b!tch.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI shouldn’t have to ask. It should have been part of your original statement.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
So I am supposed to list in each post those atrocities which you might ascribe to the right that I am opposed to even though I am not a republican or a “red neck” but you think I am?
Think about what an idiotic statement you made.
Btw I hate fried chicken.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:19 pmSpelling is near to be the last important thing on a web forum. Only stupid fu*ks like you would focus on a misspelled word when it is the substance of a post that is what really counts. Dip sh!t.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pmNope, just the ones that relate to the subject at hand.
ANd anti-American at the same time. Imagine that.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSpudge_Boy,
“Dip shit” is usually spelled with a dash, like this: dip-shit.
You’re welcome.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:22 pmSorry, I usually spell it “Ringo” my bad.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:25 pmRingo
Hayek’s, “The Road to Serfdom” is certainly the best defenses of freedom and the best critique of socialism and national socialism I have ever read. It should be required reading in public high school.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:25 pmUnlike you republican trolls, I think for myself.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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And it’s apparent.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:26 pmThanks!
August 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI shouldn’t have to ask. It should have been part of your original statement.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Why are you telling people what they HAVE to say?
I think it was clear in he original post that he denounces beating/killing homosexuals. If he thinks :
“The people who killed Matthew Sheppard should be executed for their horrible crime.
Comment by Ringo — August 27, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Then it is pretty obvious that he is against the practice. Did you really expect it to read “The people that killed Matthew Sheppard should be executed for their crime, but for others it is OK”?
August 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmNope, just the ones that relate to the subject at hand.
ANd anti-American at the same time. Imagine that.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 27, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Torturing gays was no were near to the subject being discussed.
and spudge thinks vgans are anti-American.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI don’t tell anybody to do anything, unlike you people. What I am suggesting is that if you don’t want people to assume the worst of you 1) show that you actually give a fu*k about people and 2) change you stupid fu*king screen name or be treated like a troll. Like I am doing to you and we have already been over.
Ringo didn’t state this until I called him out on it.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:34 pmNope torturing gays has nothing to do with it. What IT is is that you guys like to talk about how bad Muslims are for what they do, while ignoring your own Christian red neck republicans. Nice blinders.
And I don’t think vegans are anything other than people. some right wing, some left wing. Who cares. Just like gays, who cares, just like immigrants, who cares.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:37 pmNow I understand that we have certain obligations to our fellow man.
Comment by Troll
It is this kind of stupidity and false altruism that is so laughable about you.
Iraq has been bombed since 1991, thousands of civilians have been starved and more than a million have died since Gulf War I. Where was your outrage for those poor people?
Dozens of Myskitos indians were killed by Sandinistas in Nicaragua, therefore Nicaragua was invaded by Reagan killing over 700,000 peasants!!! Where was your outrage? Oh, you didnt know cuz your media never showed what was really happening there until the Iran-Contras broke loose…
Obligations??? You think your govt invades countries because of the moral obligations…then why dont you invade China? Huh? It is as laughable as France saying the war in IRaq is immoral…well, of course it is immoral, but France had signed contracts with Saddam, therefore they didnt support the invasion just like Germany. You think govts care about other people…come on, take a look around in this world where the vast majority lives in poverty.
And yes, Marx was a freaking genius that put math in economics and so far has been right about almost everything. Give it a shot, you Friedman loser.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:40 pmya know, if they hadn’t kicked all those gay interpreters out fo the military, they would have known that putting religious text on a football wa s dumb-a$$ thing to do.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pmyou know if someone put a biblical verse on a soccer ball, fundies would have a fit.
Spudge
I dont think what particular muslims or christians do is relevant (because most people dont really have much of a choice what religion they are raised) what the religion teaches is relevant. Islam teaches violence and Christianity teaches peace and love. So it’s not blinders but filters using critical thought which I employ.
You contridicted yourself. You said that because I don’t like chicken I was anti-American. It follows that you then think all vgans are anti-American.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmMiddle East Sports are Complicated
August 27th, 2007 at 4:50 pm.
I’ve been trying to imagine the Iraq situation as a football game.
Start with Shia on one side of the ball and Sunnis on the other. The Yanks are the Officials.
Embedded in both side are criminal elements who from time to time shoot somebody in the huddle or kidnap a prominent son or daughter, demanding a first down as payment.
Also playing are a number of foreign Jihadists who plant explosives in the football just when one side appears poised to score. They, to date, have been so efficient that the goal line areas have all but disappeared.
The field is surrounded by US tanks because the stands empty in violent protest after close calls bring cries of favoritism. For cheers, “Satan’s Lackeys†and “Give us back our Oil†seem to be crowd favorites.
The Mullahs, of course, declared a fatwa regarding the use of pigskin which was particularly dicey but had the cheering side effect of seeing all participants line up on the same side for a mercurial moment.
The Mullahs also pointed out that the “Hail Mary†pass was forbidden eleven centuries prior to the invention of the game of football which speaks volumes about the locals’ concept of time.
The part of the game that is most dispiriting however are the cheerleaders. First of all there are one hundred and six different cheerleader contingents representing each of the religious, familial and tribal loyalties with feuding interests. Then there’s the fact that they’re covered from head to toe which gives one the sense of how oxy-islamic the whole concept of organized competition here truly is.
The fact that the stands keep disintegrating, which requires additional kickbacks to Halliburton and KBR, who somehow have all the concessions, doesn’t help in the slightest.
Well, to quote Rummy, “it’s complicated.â€
To quote John Madden, “Geez, these guys play for keeps.”
Spudge_Boy,
Do you live in a 24/7 state of rage?
Just wondering, because everytime I stop in at this site – day or night – there you are with all your anger, profanity and incoherance, blathering at every decent person who posts anything that might be seen as even remotely pro-American.
Are you aware that harboring such intense hatred can dangerous to your health?
August 27th, 2007 at 4:54 pmIslam teaches violence and Christianity teaches peace and love.
Comment by Troll
Errr…you might wanna go to your nearest Mosque before you post such an ignorant statement.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:57 pmSpuddie needs to come out of the closet.
Be true to yourself spuddie and start livin’ as a gay man.
August 27th, 2007 at 4:58 pmHey Juanny boy,
August 27th, 2007 at 4:59 pmread any new outdated Marxist trash?
And spuudie stop yellin’ and beatin’ your little wifey.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:02 pmShe is not a punchin’ bag.
Bob, wanna refute any Marx statement?
Please, discuss.
Oh, I forgot…you are the one that posted the middle finger
mmm…guess not a college boy.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Where was your outrage for those poor people?”
The starvation of so many in Iraq was part of the reason why so many on the left and the right initially supported the war.
“Dozens of Myskitos indians were killed by Sandinistas in Nicaragua, therefore Nicaragua was invaded by Reagan killing over 700,000 peasants!!! Where was your outrage? Oh, you didnt know cuz your media never showed what was really happening there until the Iran-Contras broke loose…”
and we were supposed to be outraged by that which we knew nothing of?
“You think your govt invades countries because of the moral obligations…”
No, I think the people support invasions for moral reasons.
…then why dont you invade China? Huh?”
Because we can’t. Unfortunately 1 billion human beings must remain brutally oppressed because of socialism. But we can slowly influence its culture through trade and hopefully one day the people will rise up and demand liberty.
“You think govts care about other people…”
Overall no they dont but in America the people do.
“…come on, take a look around in this world where the vast majority lives in poverty.”
I realize that and I realize that free trade and capitalism are their only hope for lasting prosperity.
“And yes, Marx was a freaking genius that put math in economics and so far has been right about almost everything. Give it a shot, you Friedman loser.”
Hitler was a “freaking genius” too, that did not make him or his ideas good.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pmLike I said outdated Marxist crap.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pmJuanny likes livin’ in tha past.
hahahaha. China…socialist. Hahahhaha.
That made me laugh very hard.
When 20 million people have the richness of a country of 1.3 billion people, you can hardly talk about socialism. It is more like…mmmm…well, capitalism. You know…accumulation of wealth.
Hey, dont blame me. I didnt make the rules. Im just telling you how it works.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by Juan C — August 27, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
I don’t need to go be lied to by some imam. History books and the quran speak well the truth of islams violent teaching and history.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:19 pmMarx explained why owners got richer and richer and why workers got poorer and poorer.
Next time you want to talk sh*t about that, remember that you have 8 hours of work per day thanks to the working class…the workers…and not the owners that wanted children working in their factories.
And just to clarify. If you think the Soviet Union was “communist” as Marx described communism, how it is that Stalin ordered a military and govt cleansing without consulting the whole russian people?
August 27th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHistory books and the quran speak well the truth of islams violent teaching and history.
Comment by Troll
I can say the same thing about Christians.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSorry, I was raised Christian and that is just a bold faced lie.
I did n’t say you were anti-American because you don’t like chicken. Only a stupid fu*king troll like you would say something so dumb. I said you didn’t like chicken AND you are anti-American.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWhat paradise utopian country you live in Juanny?
August 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pmJaun C,
Are you one of those stinky old Spartacus League geezers who still show up at anti-war rallies with hammer and sickle banners and big frowns on their faces?
August 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pmJuan C is talking about Christian suicide bombers kinda like the Palestinian kiddies.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:39 pmOnly with dealing with the traitors that walk amongst us and yes, I mean you.
And stress only affects those that hold it in and lets it eat at them. I don’t have that problem and I am in perfect health. Except for that one toenail I have. But, thanks for caring about my health.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:41 pmJuan you really need to read some newer stuff.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI know I was once where you are.
Renew that library card.
I also notice that Ringo doesn’t say a fu*king thing about the hatred that Bob is spewing. He is all for that, but when I say something he gets all offended. Hypocrite much Ringo?
August 27th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI would love to see a picture of this Juanny Marxist living in his own little utopian Marxist Country. Peace Love and Tranquility all around him.
Not!
August 27th, 2007 at 5:44 pmNot kinda, exactly like them. Exactly like the Saudis that flew planes into the WTC. Exactly like the al Qaida terrorists who are being harbored by the Pakistanis. Exactly. A terrorist is a terrorist, no matter what color there skin is or what glowy man i n the sky they worship.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmmmmm…no debate yet.
Im gonna laugh at the lewd conduct thread, then.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSpudge,
I’m not offended; just having a laugh.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSpuddie, chill out man before you blow a gasket.
Take care of your family. Stop beating yourself and your wifey.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI would love to see a picture of this Juanny Marxist…
Comment by Bob
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Why here he is with his mommy:
http://spartacus.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/spartacist_league.jpg
August 27th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSpuddie you sound like a terrorist yourself. Were you in the service? Rifles, bombs, tanks, planes all sound like WMDs to me?
August 27th, 2007 at 5:51 pmTrained to kill and terrorize by BushCO maybe?
Ringo, nice visual there:)
August 27th, 2007 at 5:52 pmThen I will just ignore your concern troll tactics then.
You already know the answer to that Bob. And again, you don’t need to worry about my health, unless you know a way to fix that one bad toenail I got. Not sure what you can do, it comes from it getting smashed, when I was in the military.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:55 pmHere’s picture I found of Ringo’s mom.
August 27th, 2007 at 5:56 pmWhy does TP always defend Muslims?
August 27th, 2007 at 10:00 pmWhy does TP always defend Muslims?
Comment by Humpty — August 27, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Why are all the thugs in the crime family and the rethuglican party, hypocrites?
Who Would Jesus Bomb?
Where does the Bible say to take from those who need the most to those who need the least?
Hypocrites, liars, thugs, and morons make up the reichwing.
August 27th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWhat are they going to say? That Muslims should kick around the name of god and his prophet?
August 28th, 2007 at 9:51 am