Brownback on Craig: It’s ‘not good,’ ‘very odd.’
Brownback on Craig: It’s ‘not good,’ ‘very odd.’
Today, on MSNBC, Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) was asked to respond to the news that his colleague, Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID), had pled guilty to a misdemeanor involving ‘lewd conduct’ in a public restroom. “It is not good,” said Brownback. “There is a guilty plea involved in this. But I think we ought to look and see what the facts actually are.” “This seems like a very odd thing that takes place. And so what is actually going on here?” Watch it:
Transcript:
QUESTION: Well, let me also ask you then about the scandal of today, at least, that came down last night involving Senator Larry Craig. He stepped down from his role in the Romney presidential campaign.
How big of a setback do you believe this is — Not only for Mr. Craig, but also, again, for the GOP?
BROWNBACK: Well, I want to see what the factual basis actually is. I read the news accounts this morning. I’ve been briefed on those. I want to see what the actual, factual setting of this is.
It is not good. There is a guilty plea involved in this. But I think we ought to look and see what the facts actually are and then build and move forward off of that.
QUESTION: What more than the police report facts are you waiting for?
Are you waiting to hear something more specific from Senator Craig?
BROWNBACK: I am. Larry’s a colleague. He is somebody that I know. I want to hear what he has to say. I want to read, if we can, more in depth on the police report and what the police say actually took place at this. I want to know: Why did he plead guilty if he did not feel like this was actually what took place; that there was lewd conduct that took place?
I want to hear the actual settings — and I think most Americans probably do — of this. This seems like a very odd thing that takes place. And so what is actually going on here?
Let’s see this develop some more and I think we should.
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I want to read, if we can, more in depth on the police report and what the police say actually took place at this. I want to know: Why did he plead guilty if he did not feel like this was actually what took place; that there was lewd conduct that took place?
I want to hear the actual settings — and I think most Americans probably do — of this. This seems like a very odd thing that takes place. And so what is actually going on here?
Here comes the swift boating of the police, in 3, 2, 1,...
and not the swifty boating, or dufus dhowing...
August 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pmOdd? Then you and Craig are Even, Mr. Brownback.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:54 pmallow me, lemmings:
August 28th, 2007 at 1:55 pmyeah, but what about clinton?
Article in today's Idaho Statesman about the many accusations against Senator Craig over the years about his homosexuality, going back to his college days. There are allegations of previous sexual activities with men in public restrooms. And there's Craig's involvement in the pedophile scandal in the Reagan White House in the 1980s concerning Congressional Pages. Craig apparently married his wife just after that pedophile scandal broke into the news:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/eyepiece/story/143801.html
August 28th, 2007 at 1:56 pmQuote: "He's a Bad Boy, a Naughty Boy,... probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy."
Meet The Press, January 24, 1999 Larry Craig, referring to Bill Clinton.
Oh, the irony of it all.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pmComment by nuQler ostrich — August 28, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Not only did that chicken come home to roost, it bit him square on his exposed buttocks.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI want to know: Why did he plead guilty if he did not feel like this was actually what took place; that there was lewd conduct that took place?
It's a common problem in most large cities. Closeted, perverted homosexuals go onto the internet and find places to "hook-up". Usually public restrooms, public parks etc.
Apparently, there's a protocol that's adhered to which is the mark of "guilt" among law enforcement. Sad really.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:02 pm...also known in the Black community as "keepin' it on the D.L. (down-low)...
August 28th, 2007 at 2:03 pmI'm laughing so hard I can't breathe well. Oh boy. Resign you ass. And tell your butt boy Vitter to take the same way out. or do Republicans only resign if they can be guaranteed a republican will be appointed in their place?
August 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe Repugs aren't going to sweat over this one. Another repug will be appointed to the position, so they can pontificate all they want.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBrownback, you are an idiot. What more do you want? Are you going to try to say that the police set him up? If that's true, then why did he plead guilty (two months after the arrest)? Was he pressured to plead guilty? If so, why did it take two months for him to enter the plea? And what pressure could anyone have put on him to plead guilty.
I expect what happened is that he tried to negotiate a deal where he plead guilty and that case was sealed so that no one would ever know what he did. But then someone leaked it to the press and now he is trying to say "I didn't do it, I was pressured into pleading guilty". Too bad, so sad. He got caught, he plead guilty, end of story.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmIt's those stress positions and interrogation techniques those awful police officers used! They threatened to flush my Bible down the toilet unless I confessed! And those awful police dogs! The officer said he would stomp on all my Bette Midler cds unless I signed the confession.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:06 pmQuote: “He’s a Bad Boy, a Naughty Boy,… probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.â€
I think gay people are cool. I consider myself pretty liberal when it comes to sex. It takes a lot to creep me out.
But, I think this story has done it.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhat would be really interesting is if Craig resigned and when they held a special election, a Democrat won. That would really be sending a message to the Republicans if a Democrat won in Idaho.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:08 pmAnd what facts are those? Ones he is gonna make up? Are his lawyers and advisers making up crap excuses for him? You betcha, they are. After all he is a Repukian closet gay hypocrit. So many perverts are Repukes that it is laughable. Explains alot about the troll repukian scum on this site...makes you wonder.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:10 pmCraig was probably water-boarded to force his confession. Are you listening, Darth Cheney? See. This is the kind of false information that is obtained through torture.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWhat's a gay Republican to do?
August 28th, 2007 at 2:11 pmholy crap... ed is using his one-time platform on c-span to do a MAJOR call-out of hannity... called him a liar and again challenged hannity to put him on his show... c-span should have the video... it was cool...
sorry 'bout the OT ... carry on...
August 28th, 2007 at 2:12 pm.
Sounds like Brownback wants to watch.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pmi just switched over, katy. Thanks for the heads up.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pmC'mon, now....if Craig just goes into therapy or announces that he is "born again" this will all go away. I see an approval rating soaring to 66% any minute now!
August 28th, 2007 at 2:16 pmbtw -
the THOMM HARTMANN show will be on c-span on FRIDAY...
talk about your constitutional scholars!
August 28th, 2007 at 2:17 pmtry to catch his show!
.
#18 - by Ed, do your mean Ed Schultz? I would love to see Hannity debate him. I would love to see him debate Randi Rhodes even more. Hannity wouldn't last 5 minutes with any of the progressive radio hosts.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:18 pmyou can read the police report here...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/28/report-details-craigs-disorderly-conduct/
it's not odd, its just another self-loathing gay hypocrite republican.. BUSTED by the police....
August 28th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWhat's behind the right's different response to David Vitter's call girls and Larry Craig's boy trouble? In a nutshell, the boys.
For the details, see:
August 28th, 2007 at 2:20 pm"Behind the Right's Double Standard on Craig and Vitter."
This will be remembered as the week another republican candidate dropped out of the race.
Senator Brownback is ignoring the police report, ignoring the guilty plea and wants to hear Craig's story.
Evidence be damned, the republicans need to stand by republicans.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“When Clinton lied, no one diedâ€.
“When Larry tapped, I was takin’ a crapâ€.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:25 pmSenator Sam need more details. And more explicit details. And what was going thru the Senator's mind, his every nuance of sexual fantasy. More, and more and ...oops. Cleanup on Brownback's slacks!
August 28th, 2007 at 2:25 pmyes, bilbo - ed schultz...
from what i just heard, it would be real tough for hannity to
back out of ed's challenge...
now, randi does not like ed much... and she really is very shy...
i can't see those two debating... besides, they are on the same side...
it's taking me a while to take to listening to ed schultz... but it's more convenient to leave on the XM than switch to streaming AAR at this time slot... and since XM has started rebroadcasting hartmann in the evenings i don't have to...
August 28th, 2007 at 2:27 pm...
wait, does that mean a pardon from Bush is forthcoming?
August 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThat would really be sending a message to the Republicans if a Democrat won in Idaho.
Comment by bilbobaggins — August 28, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
A Democrat winning a senate race in Idaho? Ha ha ha -- that would be about as likely as Massachusetts electing a Republican governor!
Oh, wait -- they did...
I guess anything's possible.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pmLibtards are still very bitter about their hero-god Clinton being exposed.
Bitterness has been a cancer to Dems.
"When Clinton got sucked, 800,000 Rwandan were fcuked."
Ah the Clinton legacy lives!
August 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmMr. Craig can't just quit! How will he pay the mortage, collect unemployment benefits?
Let's allow everyone to keep their full-time job. As long as the senator is effectively punching-in the views of the voters who put him in office, who cares if he's a hypocrite in his private time?
This was a posting from a concerned citizen.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThe Silver Lining on the Bathroom Stall
Oy. Republicans really don't need bad publicity like Senator Larry Craig right now. I'm sure the nutroots are in full gay-bashing mode right now. That whole thing is just really sad and creepy (and thus extra bad for the Romney campaign with which Craig was associated; they already had problem with the "creepy" label). I guess Republicans can at least take solace in the face that when this sort of thing happens, we tend to get them out of office.
That's why we shouldn't stand for Democrats to say a word about this, because who do they have in office right now? There a globular, drunken mass that drove a car into a river and left a woman to die while he ran for his lawyer. There the guy who had a male prostitution ring ran out of his apartment. More recently, there's the guy with bribe money in his freezer. And which party has a former Klansman as Senator?
See, at least we can say about the Republicans is that, when one of them does lewd conduct in a public restroom, it's news. With Democrats, that's a dog bites man story right there. Really, no one can be a Democrat politician and have any morals because then they wouldn't be able to work with most of their colleagues. The only criticism Democrats can say to Republicans is, "That's what you get for having morals! You should all be freaks like us! Freeeeeaks!"
Maybe that could be made into a new slogan:
"The Republican Party: We get rid of our weirdos."
August 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou gotta have really big balls to have a wide stance.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmSen Ted Kennedy yea a perfect liberal example...
August 28th, 2007 at 2:35 pmwait, does that mean a pardon from Bush is forthcoming?
Comment by grover nerdqquist — August 28, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
No -- Idaho is a safe Republican state. If Craig goes, the governor will appoint a Republican to replace him, and any special election would likely produce a Republican replacement.
If Craig was from a state where he was likely to be replaced by a Democrat, it would be a different story.
Bush only cares about the Dem/Repub balance in the Senate -- I doubt that he cares about any particular Senator (except maybe one who owes him a lot of political favors).
August 28th, 2007 at 2:35 pmSen. Robert KKK Byrd another fine example of....liberal virtue
August 28th, 2007 at 2:36 pmGood thing Kennedy and Byrd never run on "family values" :)
August 28th, 2007 at 2:38 pmFrank J-
What about Vitter? Oh yeah, the Repugs ONLY get rid of weirdos when it won't cost them a seat. There's your twisted morals for you. If the Repubs got rid of all there "weirdos" there would be nothing but empty seats on that side of the floor. The bathroom wouldt be standing/kneeling room only, though.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:39 pm"I want to hear the actual settings"
I bet Brownback would like to see the actual setting as well. Maybe hang out a little while. Do some of his own research.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:40 pm"now, randi does not like ed much… and she really is very shy…
i can’t see those two debating… besides, they are on the same side…"
Hi Katy - I was talking about Randi debating Hannity. She would annihilate him.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:40 pmBob's way of defending Craig is to divert to any other subject. Direct from "Kap'n Karl's konfuse your opponent handbook".
Ignore the Republican Senator soliciting for man on man love in an airport restoom and throw any crud out about anyone else.
Family values haven't been practiced by the republicans for some time now.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWhy does everyone pretend that Craig is one bad apple. GOP sex scandals are the norm these days. For God sakes, Vitter is still in office.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:44 pmGawd you trolls are so pathetic. In order to defend your perverts you bring up every past sin in the Democratic party. Like that somehow makes what your guys are doing as right. It's like when Bush does something wrong, your response is "Clinton did it too". Well, wrong is wrong no matter who did it. And the Democrats do not defend the people in their party who do wrong. Have you seen any Democrat make excuses for Jefferson? They did everything they could except for kicking him out, and that is not within their rights. If it was, I believe they would have kicked him out already. Jefferson is an embarrassment to the Democrats and they would love to see him gone. The Republicans don't seem to find Vitter an embarrassment./ Why is that?
August 28th, 2007 at 2:45 pmHey Frank J. you must have just woken up from your 10 year hibernation??? Or do you just ignore any scandal that involves someone with an (R) after their name. And it is true about only a Repub replacing Craig, I am from Idaho and they would never appoint a Dem as replacement unless he was a good ole boy like them.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBob...you forgot to mention Woodrow Wilson's scandal involving Edith Bolling Galt. He started having an affair with her only a few months after his first wife died. Don't forget Woodrow Wilson while you're investigating ancient history. And what about David and Bathsheba's scandalous affair?
August 28th, 2007 at 2:51 pmI was wondering why we did not see a lot more of this during the first six years of the republican controlled congress. Sounds like there was a lot of covering up going on.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:52 pm"It's odd. You know, a wide stance is important in football. It helps maintain your balance. Maybe he settles onto the pot that way. I don't know." - Brownback
August 28th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWhy does such hypocrisy seem to florish in the Republican party?
The answer is simple. They Republican elite do not care about morals, philosophy or the common good. The Republican elite seeks power within government in order to subvert the government to the needs of wealthy families and corporate interests. The Republicans do not believe in law or order. They believe in a crude form of social Darwinism. The Republican elite are nothing more than cheap whores that will do whatever is necessary to serve their masters and to gain financial advantage for themselves.
The Republican elite do not believe in family values for other than political posturing. Thus it is not unusual for these amoral politicians to act as Sen. Craig. Indeed, it is an expression of their own belief that the rules do not apply to them and strokes their egos as persons above others.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pmLets not forget Larry Flint still has a bombshell to drop.
August 28th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“When Clinton got sucked, 800,000 Rwandan were fcuked.â€
Ah the Clinton legacy lives!
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August 28th, 2007 at 2:59 pmHey Larry Flint beat this Bubba guys record!
Maybe he and Craig could do a film about buddies on a "fishing" trip and call it BROWNBACK MOUNTAIN.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:02 pmComment by Bob — August 28, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
No Republicans advocated sending troops to Rwanda. When Clinton sent troops to restore democracy in Haiti or stop the 250,000 deaths that occurred in ex-Yugoslavia under GHWB, all Republicans yelled he was trying to distract from Monica and he was going to get our troops killed. Zero troops were killed.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmEisenhower banged his chauffeur.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:08 pm"I wish I knew how to quit you!" - Craig
August 28th, 2007 at 3:10 pm"Lets not forget Larry Flint still has a bombshell to drop.
Comment by michael"
That's right. I wonder what he is waiting for?
August 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmbilbo - opps! i read that wrong... randi and hannity - no contest...
you're right...
...
years of the republican controlled congress. Sounds like there was a lot of covering up going on.
Comment by michael — August 28, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
they didn't even HAVE to cover up,
cause there was no OVERSIGHT going on in that congress...
these investigations of the past 8 months are just trying
to catch up with the negligence of those many years...
but you know that...
August 28th, 2007 at 3:25 pm...
Who else does Larry Flynt have?
mmmm...well, there's my congressman, who lives in washington with his male campaign manager and--oh god--chief of staff, while his wife and family stay at home in the district. The ex male wrestling coach.
Yeah, him.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:43 pmBrownback's response is typical Repugnicunt, "I can't really comment until I know the facts" (even though the puke pleaded guilty, then after all is out on the table, they don't want to dwell on the past, let's move forward.
There is no "proper" time to discuss the issues, there is no accountability.
Hypocritical bastards.
I think there's some hypocrite virus that is spread on the bottom of collection plates. So many of the truly disgusting hypocrites are Christian. All Bush supporters are the 25% Born Agains. Born, but with a little stub on the end of the spinal cord where the brain is supposed to develop.
Chingales.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBrownback wants to wait for the facts...
Mr. Brownback : Senator Craig already admitted guilt and on record he pleaded 'guilty'.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI'm surprised not to see any links to the police report on The Smoking Gun (nice accidental double-entendre for this incident).
August 28th, 2007 at 4:02 pmGood thing Kennedy and Byrd never run on “family values†:)
Comment by Bob — August 28, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
precisely! i don't believe clinton made a big issue of it either. you see, family values are just that - a family matter. unlike you lemmings, we aren't fooled by hypocritical sacks of sh*t who campaign on "family values" or fear.
and btw, Blob, just how is clinton directly responsible for the death of 800K ruwandans?
August 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pmWell, looks like the approach taken with Scooter Libby is going to be used on Sen. Craig--defame the legal bodies involved, accept the word of the guilty against the findings of the court, and then, well, probably a presidential pardon.
Unless Craig resigns.
But 'Thugs have found that hanging tough and stonewalling (even in the light of known facts) seems to work in this current MCM* climate.
MCM--Mainstream Corporate Media, where no one is guilty unless the MCMers declare the individual to be so. MCMers--Very Serious MCM members, Accepted Insiders, and Faithful to the Wingers Wannabees
August 28th, 2007 at 4:56 pmIs it just me,or does Brownback give everybody the creeps?
He's just so...slimy.
August 28th, 2007 at 6:02 pmRepublican Repulsive Family Values Hypocrisy!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/08/memorable-quote-senator-larry-craig.html#links
August 28th, 2007 at 10:56 pmPlease, this gay GOP thing has been going on for years.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:06 amhttp://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
One superhypcrite defends another one. Guess who!
August 29th, 2007 at 8:38 amHow cynical can we be?
All I know is that we Dems/Libs are born bad and when the fascists get caught it is because the "debbil" made them do it.
So, if I change my registration to Rethug does that make me a better person?
Will I be guaranteed a place in Heaven?
It's so much fun though ain't it?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:38 amCoincidentally, the only time I've ever seen Sam Brownback up close in person was in an airport (Miami, January 2007), walking with his really hot male staff member. I wouldn't have minded pulling a "Larry Craig" with either of them in the Men's room. (Brownback sometimes looks a little odd on TV, but he's surprisingly handsome in person.)
August 29th, 2007 at 12:43 pmGuess Old Skidmark wants the juicy detals another one we'll see nailed soon love those Family values crowd un fortunately a who bunch will be in tampa for a summit time to lock up the kids folks
August 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmHuh. They ought to just rename their party the COP - Closeted Old Perverts.
August 29th, 2007 at 4:23 pmLet's not forget Eisenhower's side dish, Kay or how about Daddy Bush's sweety. At least democrats stick to the opposite sex.
I don't care one bit about who you want to do it with but don't be a hypocrite..god in your mouth , and the devil in your pants.
Clinton had consenual sex with another adult..one who told a friend she was taking her kneepads to DC with her. She most likely propositioned him or at least did a big come on. So how many of you guys would have said NO?
One wrong doesn't make a right, in case you've forgotten that old rule.
August 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI must defend my honor, my hands were under that partition due to severe gas. I was simply trying to keep from being blasted into orbit.
As for my alleged footsie gestures, the stall was out of paper & I was signaling the guy next to me in the queer Morse code to please pass some paper. After all it was all I could do to hold myself down & that blast made a real big mess.
I didn't simply ask for some paper because I thought the guy sitting next to me was stone deaf after my horrendous explosion. That can happen when one forgets to remove the butt plug.
As for my business card I thought it would help the officer to spell my name correctly. I do want to thank him for not taking my twenty or checking my bags. He might have found my cordless drill for boring glory holes.
I'm a God fearing Christian family values man & I am not gay. Really I swear that I am not gay. The gas must have clouded my judgment.
Boo hoo hoo I want to take my confession back. It didn't spin right.
I am truly a patriotic American just look at my America Flag pin on my suit in my mug shot.
Sincerely with fondest love taps,
Senator Craigpot
August 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThe sheep have such short memories - or no grey matter at all.
September 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pmcraig was named as a pedophile pervert 25+ years ago, the "Boys Town / Franklin Bank scandal in the late 80's, the "presidential limo" was noted for attending the pedophile parties (they "collected" the young boys from "Boys Town" - how clever the perverts are)
its not about being a closet gay - rather about .. the fact that...
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS BEING RULED BY A GANG OF PERVERSE, COMPRIMISED, BLACKMAILED SEXUALLY MENTALLY SICK DYNASTIES AND THEIR MINIONS
GOD HELP US