Despite Announcing His ‘Retirement,’ General Who Oversaw Walter Reed Scandal Still Serving In Army
Despite Announcing His ‘Retirement,’ General Who Oversaw Walter Reed Scandal Still Serving In Army
On March 12, the Pentagon announced that Army Surgeon General Lt. Gen. Kevin Kiley, who oversaw neglect at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, was resigning, effective immediately. NBC News Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski reported that it was “very likely” Kiley “would be reduced in retirement, at least one rank” and “be forced to retire at that two-star level.”
In order to retire as a three-star general, Kiley would have had to do at least three years of active-duty service in that grade. The higher the grade, the greater the retirement pay and benefits a general receives.
Kiley was appointed Army Surgeon General on Sept. 30, 2004. Therefore, as Miklaszewski noted, he retired before serving out his three-year term at the three-star level.
But ThinkProgress has learned that Kiley is still serving at the Pentagon, despite announcing his “retirement” in March. An official in the Department of the Army Public Affairs told ThinkProgress:
He [Kiley] is no longer serving as the Army Surgeon General but is in a transition status pending his retirement. … Currently Maj. Gen Kiley does not have a specific retirement date. He is no longer performing any duties related to The Surgeon General and is pending retirement.
When asked why the Army didn’t immediately ask for Kiley’s retirement in March, we were told that such information was “protected under the Privacy Act which restrict disclosure of information pertaining to administrative actions or personal communication.”
The law states that if an officer does not serve at that grade for three years, “the Secretary of Defense may authorize the Secretary of a military department to reduce such period to a period not less than two years.” Therefore, the Army may still be holding open the door to the possibility that Kiley may serve through September and retire with the pay and benefits of a three-star general.
During his time overseeing Walter Reed and serving as Army Surgeon General, Kiley ignored the neglect at Walter Reed. As far back as 2003, Kiley was told “that soldiers who were wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan were languishing and lost on the grounds.” He also ignored Beverly Young, the wife of Rep. Don Young (R-AK), when she told him about a soldier at Walter Reed “lying in urine on his mattress pad.” Even after the Washington Post investigation, Kiley claimed that the problems at Building 18 “weren’t serious.”
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Leave the man alone. He has suffered the indignities of scapegoating for the 43rd 1600-Penn.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:32 amInteresting way of showing support for the troops….
August 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amIn case anyone’s in doubt, the first and second duties of the U.S. military general staff are ass-covering and protecting their own, in that order. Protecting the Constitution comes somewhere after “having a good time on the taxpayer’s dime.”
August 28th, 2007 at 11:35 amPentagon like the Bush Regime tries to keep incompetents in positions no
August 28th, 2007 at 11:37 ammatter what happens. This General must be court-martialed.
Lt. Gen. Kiley, you disgust me.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amSend him to the front lines and make him walk beside a enlisted soldier for 3 months…… No orders allowed to be given and he must endure what our fighting men and women endure.
Then IF he survives that, he gets to come home and get booted out of the military as the loser he is……
August 28th, 2007 at 11:41 am“in a transition status pending his retirement” = “we’ve put him where he can do no harm until he qualifies for three-star retirement”
This basically means that Kiley just need to show up for work until he can get his full pension. Oh — and stay under the radar as much as possible.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amsu-prise, su-prise…
…
and, does rummy still have his desk as the pentagon?
August 28th, 2007 at 11:45 am…
What a complete waste of taxpayers dollars for this buffoon !
Then again this is defining hallmark of the Bush admin.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amLeave the man alone. He has suffered the indignities of scapegoating for the 43rd 1600-Penn.
Comment by James Saville Row — August 28, 2007 @ 11:32 am
I agree that Kiley has been a scapegoat — and that others should also be held accountable for their complacency regarding the neglect at Walter Reed. But Kiley won’t really have suffered indignity until he’s forced to lie in his own urine.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amI wouldn’t want this self absorbed egocentric pile of genetically inferior flesh to walk beside me while on patrol. Our soldiers need to know they can trust their buddy because he/she may just save your life.
This pissant hasn’t earned that distinction.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amI am sure the extra pension pay could have bought a few extra beds in Walter reed or maybe fixed some leaky pipes or cleaned up some mold, or bought some medical device or staffed a nurse or two or…well you get the point.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amCaption Contest:
“dammit — how can I fix this wedgie without anyone noticing?”
August 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amKiley’s a disgrace to the uniform many of us proudly wore.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amHe should stuff his stars where his sun don’t shine.
And Rummy still has his desk at the Pentagram too.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amthe inmates run the asylum.
August 28th, 2007 at 11:50 amWhy do liberals hate the military?
August 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhy do conservatives hate accountability?
August 28th, 2007 at 11:58 ampart of kiley’s “punishment” should have been immediate retirement
August 28th, 2007 at 11:59 amwithOUT the 3-star pay…
…
Taken to its “logical” conclusion this is all the fault of the Iraqi insurgents. If the insurgents had not attacked our troops, the troops would have never been injured, and therefor never sent to Walter Reed. With no wounded troops, Gen Kiley would have completed his service without incident.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:00 pmClearly, by placing blame on Gen Kiley, we are placing blame on the wrong person here.
Then again, Kiley can always “blame Canada”
Why do liberals hate the military?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Hey, Li’l Buddy ;-D!! Care to ’splain yer deception here?
“… The troops have drawn conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 25, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Since Little [ ] won’t link to his “sourceâ€, I found at least one of them for ya, folks. The above info is actually from a Zogby poll taken almost a yr and half ago (source below! ;-D!!). No wonder Little [ ] didn’t provide the reference. Don’t know where the rest of it comes from, but ** YAWN **, I think it’s safe to ignore Little [ ]’s “data†here.
He’s an F-ing LIAR!!!
Released: February 28, 2006
August 28th, 2007 at 12:01 pmU.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
A more fitting outcome would be to toss Kiley out of a chopper at about 25 feet.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:01 pmAfter setting his broken bones, he gets to receive all his treatment at Walter Reed, in the filthiest, most run down tenement ward we can find.
“Why do liberals hate the military?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Why do conservatives hate accountability?
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 11:58 am”
Why do liberals always answer a question with another question, thus avoiding answering the original question?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:01 pmanswering the original question?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Because the original question isn’t a question, just a loaded statement.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:02 pmComment by missmolly — August 28, 2007 @ 11:46 am
I agree, but that would be blaming anyone else for every single pain our dear country is feeling at this time. I like to keep the pressure at the doorstep of the 43rd 1600-Penn.
The greater perspective is that the overcrowding at Walter Reed is directly linked to one of the most disastrous wars in history, obstinately being perpetrated by the most disillusioned bunch of tyrannical power-hogs.
The General has a responsibility of ensuring a smooth running hospital for our returning heroes, but look who he works for, the same cadre of folks who watched over disasters like Katrina and the Iraqi war. I have always been a firm-believer that the quality of the river is best at its source. It was (lets ban the use of ‘is’ to describe the Iraqi war) their war and they should accept full responsibility instead of hiding behind someone like the General to divert attention from the escalations they introduced during the same period the scandal broke.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:03 pmSome lawmakers are probably still applauding his reports, which likely boast of all sorts of cost-cutting measures: lowered linen costs, fewer personnel salaries — the man’s a fiscal genius!!! Let’s reward him with some of that hard-earned saved money!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Care to own your lie above? No? Didn’t think so! ;-D!!!
PHONY!!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmHey, Li’l Buddy ;-D!! Care to ’splain yer deception here?
“… The troops have drawn conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work.â€
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 25, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm”
No deception to explain. You libs are big on polls. I just figured it was time to make you libs eat your words.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“… just a loaded statement.”
Comment by RUCerious — August 28, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Right. It’s a dishonest, irrational statement. It doesn’t mean anything. He’s just hoping someone will charge the red flag so he can play matador.
He’s an f-in’ phony!!! ;-D!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWhoops — I mistakingly took the “Why do liberals hate the military” comment as sarcasm.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:07 pmYou’ve got to be kidding that this man deserves any sort of puffed-up monetary support for his arrogance?
Please. This case goes way, way beyond party affiliation — it’s called lack of human decency, which — last time I checked — is not a trait of either the Republican or Democratic party.
Why is Kiley a TRAITOR to the TROOPS, just like George W. Bush??
August 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pmO. Bigfoot never let relevance, or a lack thereof, get in his way. btw, why do conservatives hate accountability? I should probably correct that, they only hate it when it’s a Republican who must account for his actions. How can you resolve that even in your own mind?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI just figured it was time to make you libs eat your words.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
It was a year and a half old. So I guess you get to eat your own, er “words” now, huh?
YOU’RE AN F-IN’ PHONY ;-D! ;-D! And a liar!
Ever figure out the difference between levy and levee? How about lie and lye?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pmComment by O. Bigfoot
Can you link those stats that you just put out?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI’ll gladly answer your loaded question O. Bigfoot.
Liberals don’t hate the military. Liberals are very concerned about the military and it’s long term health. Liberals care very much about the military.
There now, you have been answered. Now be an adult and acknowledge that you have been answered and move on to a different question.
Is that too difficult? Doesn’t your brain match the size of your foot?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWHY is Bush an azzzkisser of Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS of Al Queda?
WHY did Bush have the Bin Ladens flown out of the US after 9/11?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmEver figure out the difference between levy and levee? How about lie and lye?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 28, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Or dumbass and Dumas?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWHY did Bush have the Bin Ladens flown out of the US after 9/11?
No rep will ever answer that. Better to ask them this…
“How can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?”
Is there any Rep on this site willing to answer that? If not it can only be because you can’t justify it.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWait, wait — the one-size-fits-all response when you know you’ve done wrong: I do not recall.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWould Romney kept Craig on his campaign staff if he wasn’t caught commiting lewd conduct?
I’ll ask Mr. Bigfoot that.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIf republicans served in our military, maybe they’d care about our troops.
Republicans bluster while patriotic americans serve. That’s because rule of the many by an elite few is the republican way. They’re anti-democratic, anti-american, and support our troops in word only. They’re never been our troops, and don’t give a damn about them.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pmMr. Bigfoot, Why does Mitt Romney allow persons that commit lewd conduct on his campaign staff? The dirty deed Craig committed was more than a month ago but Romney kept him on his staff.
Is this just another example of a republican turning a blind eye and not caring until the lewd act is shown to the public?
Are republicans conflicted?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pm“It was a year and a half old. So I guess you get to eat your own, er “words†now, huh?
YOU’RE AN F-IN’ PHONY ;-D! ;-D! And a liar!
Ever figure out the difference between levy and levee? How about lie and lye?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 28, 2007 @ 12:08 pm”
Nope, no words to eat. Just like a lib, when the facts stand in your way, merely refute and disregard the facts.
I didn’t take the poll, Zogby International did, and I credited them for it in the original post.
Furthermore, show me the poll that refutes the original poll.
Fact is, 37% of the military believe those in the U.S. who want to “cut and run” are unpatriotic. And I would agree.
And you are still stuck on “levee” and “lye”? How stupid is that?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pmBigfoot, how can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:24 pmSo, you are OK with the Bin Ladens having been flown out by Bush after 9/11, before they could be questioned by the FBI?
WHY is Bigfoot a TRAITOR like George W. Bush and Kiley, and WHY do they HATE America?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007
The same poll taken in Feb 2006 showed 72% of troops wanted us out of Iraq by the end of 2006.
Your point?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pmComment by James Saville Row — August 28, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Agreed that accountability must be held higher up. The underlings get thrown under the bus and the problems continue. Kiley wasn’t the only culprit.
I would have had far more respect for Kiley if he had been sacked due to fighting hard for improvements at Walter Reed, incurring the wrath of his bosses who were content with status quo.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:27 pmFact is, 37% of the military believe those in the U.S. who want to “cut and run†are unpatriotic. And I would agree.
Um, OK, what about the other 63%?
That’s like boasting that 25% of the country still supports the president, or that 18% think Congress is doing its best.
Percentages are only helpful when presented in their entirety and in context, including the knowledge of who was asking the questions, who was funding the study and what kind of anonymity was assured (especially in the case of military who can be punished for speaking out).
August 28th, 2007 at 12:30 pmMr. Bigfoot is not interested in answering any questions. That would expose the accountability flaw in his arguments as well as who he follows.
He is, however, most entertaining in his ability to be mad at the “other side” without defending his own.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pmCareer Officers often retire from the USMilitary and never even change their desks or duties. They just start collecting their pension plus a new, larger paycheck from a military contractor. That’s just the way it works.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pmHildawg Clintoooooon makes a deal with alKaida.
If they back off until the elections, and she wins, she will be soft on terror and she will neglect Homeland security!!!
Hil is a traitor!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:32 pmSwifty!!!
Why do liberals hate the military?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 11:56 am
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Because the military protects the American people, and liberals hate America!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:33 pmHe’s an F-ing LIAR!!!
Released: February 28, 2006
U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Yeah Obigfootinmouth, care to explain the lies?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmWhy do liberals always answer a question with another question, thus avoiding answering the original question?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
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It’s one of the 911 twooooooooooooooooooooofer’s mantras:
Question everything!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmHil is in cahoots with terrorists!!!
She is a traitor to the USA!!!
Fukc Hil!!!
Swifty!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:35 pmFact is, 37% of our soldiers are being smirked at by the 63% of our military who read news papers, think for themselves, love the constitution, and are perhaps old enough to drink.
As a veteran, I couldn’t give a tinker’s damn what military personel think is patriotic. I take my cues in patriotism from Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin, not from teenagers kept in a media blackout, most of whom are just trying to make enough money to go to college. If they survive, go to college, and study american history, then I’ll consider their opinions on patriotism. Carrying a gun for Uncle Sam doesn’t make you a patriot. Defending our constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, makes someone a patriot. Putting your life on the line to defend america makes you a patriot, putting your life on the line for Haliburton makes you property. Those who wish to be patriotic in the present day have to stand up against the Bush royalists who’re so determined to destroy our constitution.
The Bush administration can no longer be considered merely inept, wrong-headed, or even moronic. We must consider this administration and all who support it to be a danger to the constitution and the republic. Their utterly failed policies were perhaps just malfeasance when first detected. Their irrational and criminal continuation of those policies at the expense of human lives and vast national resources is blatantly treasonous.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIt’s funny, how Bigfoot and the rest of the trolls are avoiding the simple question posed in post #44 like the plague.
They’d rather drink battery acid than answer that question.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pm“Mr. Bigfoot, Why does Mitt Romney allow persons that commit lewd conduct on his campaign staff? The dirty deed Craig committed was more than a month ago but Romney kept him on his staff.
Is this just another example of a republican turning a blind eye and not caring until the lewd act is shown to the public?
Are republicans conflicted?
Comment by hellinabucket — August 28, 2007 @ 12:23 pm”
Nice attempt at redirecting the thread, hellin. But I’ll answer: Mormons don’t make a habit of digging into other peoples personal lives.
The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints is a “teaching religion”, not a “preaching religion”. We don’t spend a lot of time and effort attempting to tear other people down in order to build ourselves up.
Unless Craig told Romney about the incident, there was no reason for Romney to go looking for it. Mormons state the truth, as it is known to us, and then it’s up to the other person to either accept or reject it. At that point, our job is done. It’s a life philosophy which guides our daily actions.
Furthermore, Craig resigned, Romney didn’t fire him. Mormons, while personally rejecting behaviours which they find run counter to their religious teachings, are also very accepting of others beliefs and personal behaviours.
If Larry Craig turns out to be a flamer, that’s his business. I would think you libs would be congratulating Romney on keeping a homosexual on his staff…
But then, it’s easy to defend New Jersey Governor McGreevey for living a double life…isn’t it? After all, he’s a Democrat….Craig’s a Republican, so it’s different for him…right?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — August 28, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
You’re nothing but I dumba$$ twoooooooooooooooooooofer!!!
EXPOSED!!! EXPOSED!!! EXPOSED!!!
YOU ARE TRAITOR TO THE USA!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI,am Surprised the General did not get a Medal because no matter how
August 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmmany mistakes you make you get rewarded!This is the dark side of Dem
ocracy
Comment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
THAT POLL IS OVE A YEAR OLD!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
THAT POLL IS OVER A YEAR OLD!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmCan anyone answer this? Swifty? Bigfoot? Mr. Pee?
How can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmEver figure out the difference between levy and levee? How about lie and lye?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 28, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Or dumbass and Dumas?
Comment by RUCerious — August 28, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
O. Bigmouth doesn’t let little things like facts get in his way. He’s a Republican after all.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmHil Clintooooon sends messages to alKaida in her comments regarding terrorism!!!
She says that if there are no attacks and she is elected she will be soft on Homeland security and will not fight terror!!!
Swifty!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHow can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Cuz.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
You’re nothing but I dumba$$ twoooooooooooooooooooofer!!!
EXPOSED!!! EXPOSED!!! EXPOSED!!!
YOU ARE TRAITOR TO THE USA!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmCuz.
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP)
Figured. You apparently are supportive of terrorists, as is GWB.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“It’s funny, how Bigfoot and the rest of the trolls are avoiding the simple question posed in post #44 like the plague.
They’d rather drink battery acid than answer that question.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 28, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Bigfoot, how can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:24 pm”
No avoidance, Dave C. The question is irrelevant and has been answered for several years, thus it didn’t warrant further review. Basically, I didn’t answer because I ignored it.
However, since you insist:
Binladin’s family have disowned Usama/Osama. They have rejected his actions and have publicly denounced him.
If a mob was headed for your front door, looking for the head of your friend, because of something his black-sheep brother or son had done, would you turn your friend over to that mob?
Sorry, rough question. You probably would…
August 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThat’s interesting because usually when faced with questions like that they say “Clinton did it!” whether or not former President Bill Clinton did or did not actually do anything similar.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmDone here, the trolls have been exposed & now will flood the thread with B.S.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmALBUQUERQUE, N.M. Aug 28, 2007 (AP)
A police officer accompanying President Bush’s motorcade was involved in a fatal motorcycle crash less than a year after an accident in Hawaii killed another officer accompanying the president.
Why does Bush hate people in uniform?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThe Republic of Stupidity, RUCerious, Dave C, shane, TripMaster Monkey
YOU SPEND ALL DAY TELLING LIES BACK AND FORTH!!!
YOU GIVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY WHILE INSULTING THE TROOPS!!!
YOU SHOULD ARE TRAITORS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pmHildawg Clintoooooon makes a deal with alKaida.
If they back off until the elections, and she wins, she will be soft on terror and she will neglect Homeland security!!!
Hil is a traitor!!!
Swifty!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
I thing you’re confusing Hillary with Reagan/Bush and Iran/Contra. Or with Bush/Cheney and the Saudis.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“O. Bigmouth doesn’t let little things like facts get in his way. He’s a Republican after all.
Comment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:39 pm”
I am always factual. Speeling, not so much.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWell, Dufus the Dhow shows up. Please try to make some sense today, Dhow rider.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI am always factual. Speeling, not so much.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
You’re a liar. :-D!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmBecause the military protects the American people, and liberals hate America!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
How can the military protect the American people when they are all stuck in Iraq?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pm… So the president would fly me away somewhere safe if a family member did something terrible instead of, oh I don’t know… Letting the FBI question me to find out information (however trivial) that might lead to his capture? (whether or not they think I’m involved)
I think not…
You scratch my back, I give you oil.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmYOU SPEND AWW DAY TEWWING WIES BACK AND FOWD!!! YOU GIVE AID AND COMFOWT TO DE ENEMY WHIWE INSUWTING DE TWOOPS!!! YOU SHOUWD AWE TWAITOWS AND SHOUWD BE TWEATED AS SUCH!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007
what?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pmYou apparently are as dedicated to eliminating terrorists as GWB.
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
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Well, I don’t know about that… he is in a more powerful position than I am so he can get more done. But our American Patriotism seems to be as high as can be!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pmHow stupid is that?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Not as stupid as trying to pretend ya didn’t get caught fabricatin’ facts!!!
;-D!! How STUPID is that????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pmMr. Bigfoot, thanks for answering. I didn’t care for an answer because to me it’s just another slimey politician. Didn’t realize it would hit a nerve. Nor did I think it would show your political leanings.
It was meant as sarcasm for all of the blatant redirection that occurs from the right.
You didn’t bother answering any of the other questions that pertained to this thread. In fact, your original posting was a BS non question that had no other purpose than to deflect from the thread.
Do you know for a fact that Romney didn’t know of the lewd conduct? Or you just guessing? How do you think Idaho will react to their congressman?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:48 pmBut our American Patriotism seems to be as high as can be!!!
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
You need to check the definiton of “high”.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by troqua — August 28, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
YOU SPEND ALL DAY TELLING LIES BACK AND FORTH!!!
YOU GIVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY WHILE INSULTING THE TROOPS!!!
YOU SHOULD ARE TRAITORS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmTHAT POLL IS OVER A YEAR OLD!!!!!!
NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
I heard you the first time. It was Bigmouth poll that was fabricated, talk to him.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmLet’s leave our trolls talking to themselves, they’ll implode soon enough.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:50 pmComment by missmolly — August 28, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Very beautifully done. I must however point out that you are talking about a situation whereby there is culture of dissent been silenced from the top down. Look how long pretty much the whole populace has been demanding some transparency from the white house.
An outside snowball chance? Maybe. But a whole culture is the air we breathe, our mode of behavior, our mode of thinking etc.
It is most difficult not to apportion all of the blame for the Iraq war to the ones who started the war even while realizing that there were no connections between OBL and Saddam.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pmYOU SHOULD ARE TRAITORS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Why aren’t you at the recruiting office, don’t you care about America. Your country needs you in Iraq and you sit on your ass typing. Sign up or shut up, PANSY.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“Done here, the trolls have been exposed & now will flood the thread with B.S.
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:43 pm”
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pmComment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
In other words, YOU GOT NOTHING!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pmYOU SHOULD ARE TRAITORS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Irrational and meaningless. Find a new drug dealer?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:52 pmUmmmm, getting back to the point of the article above: A man in charge turned a blind eye to the reality of what he had the power to change.
He should have lost his job. Instead, he’s allowed to stay on so that he can “earn” even more money in retirement than he would’ve if he had retired when news of his problems arose.
That is the issue at hand. No polls. No “I lied about being guilty for lewd behavior but I’m not lying now.”
Just the wink-wink among those in power to let others in power remain in power regardless of their past.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIf you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Now that you’ve “turtored” by the good folks here, if you’re feeling “uncomfortable” in public, perhaps you could ask Dr Dog about his Neuticles… he swears by ‘em!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmYOU THPEND ALL DAY TELLIN’ LIIS BACK AND FORTH!!! YOU GIVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY WHILE INTHULTIN’ THE TROOPS!!! YOU THOULD ARE TRAITORS AND THOULD BE TREATED AS THUCH!!!
Comment by Thwifty August 28, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
huh?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“I heard you the first time. It was Bigmouth poll that was fabricated, talk to him.
Comment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:49 pm”
If you feel the poll was fabricated, I suggest you take it up with John Zogby. He also does polls you libs like to quote…
August 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmYour country needs you in Iraq and you sit on your ass typing.
Comment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
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Actually, I have to go to class soon. But I knew that you liberal traitors needed a good talkin’ to, so I have decided to dedicate part of my day to doing just that.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:54 pmMy message for you is simple:
STOP INSULTING OUR TROOPS!!! STOP GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY!!!
Comment by troqua — August 28, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
YOU SPEND ALL DAY TELLING LIES BACK AND FORTH!!!
YOU GIVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY WHILE INSULTING THE TROOPS!!!
YOU SHOULD ARE TRAITORS AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH!!!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHow can you justify flying the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after 9/11?
Comment by Dave C — August 28, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Cuz.
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP) — August 28, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Cuz you got nothing peebrain. Why is Bush so soft on al Qaida. They’re Saudis and Bush kisses and holds hands with Saudis. He quit looking for Bin Laden and flew his family out of the country. Then he closed the bases OBL wanted closed thereby negotiating with terrorists. Why does Bush negotiate with terrorists? No Saudis are the second largest holder of our national debt after China. That’s what they get for attacking us. That and weapons. Why?
August 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHe followed orders and did his job. Now they have to keep him in the military so he wont tell the truth about who took the money for the soldiers health care. Yes it’s all about cover up and it started with Rummy in charge. Nothing really has changed anyway. Soldiers are still treated like trash, but now the Iraq people aren’t doing to bad with the US medial care. We noticed with the silence of the murder of Pat Tillman the orders come from the Top not below.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmWhen Americans stand up an yell for the safety of our troops and the health care of our troops like they yelled for Vick to be hung for killing dogs things will change.
That was strange Americans out cry for Vick killing dogs was more then 4000 + soldiers being killed based on lies. We see what’s more important.
Comment by shane — August 28, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
bin Laden is Saudi exile.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI am always factual. Speeling, not so much.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — August 28, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
You keep telling yourself that, but it’s still lies.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI was a liberal until I saw the traitors here at TP.
TP made me a conservative!
August 28th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTP made me a dufus!
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
August 28th, 2007 at 12:58 pmRumsfeld had an ofc. “a few blocks from the Pentagon” with a staff of 7 to write his “memoirs” said MSM immediately after his “resignation” was the stuff emitted. The grapevine said he was still at the Pentagon. Lo and behold upon that discovery, he bounced over to M Street to open his “Think Tank”! Whut, pray tell, wuz he planning to to that with? (Spelling intended”as is”!) He is so old, that he couldn’t possibly need a “tank” of that type.
I wonder if Newt still is a “consultant” with offices at the Pentagon. Last I heard he was.
None of them resign. If you pay attention, you will find they have slithered over to another position to … work for …. you got it, … the adm’s goal. How many of you believe there is no North American Union (NAU) in your future? Do you believe you are on the inside of power? Do you know who is behind the NAU?
If you wonder to what I’m referring, you should get off name calling, and research the facts! (I suspect you won’t be able to get documentation from our govt. to support anything whatsoever. If so, kindly share it with us here in the reality zone.)
August 28th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIn other words, YOU GOT NOTHING!!!
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Only a traitor would not sign up for a war they deem necessary at your age. Traitor! Sign up or shut up.
August 28th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWhy do Republicans hate reasoned argument? Why do trolls respond with pointless, factless accusations rather than truth? Why can’t we get better trolls?
August 28th, 2007 at 1:00 pmwould you turn your friend over to that mob?
Sorry, rough question. You probably would…
Comment by O. Bigfoo
Gee, NO, you wouldn’t turn over SUSPECTED TERRORISTS to the FBI “mob”, would you?
No, of course not…
Just like Bush kisses the azzzes of the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS of Al Queda.
And the Bin Ladens FUNDED Bush’s failed oil businesses.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:00 pmMy message for you is simple:
STOP INSULTING OUR TROOPS!!! STOP GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY!!!
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
You and the traitors who lied us into war are the enemy. Are we giving you comfort?
August 28th, 2007 at 1:03 pmbin Laden is Saudi exile.
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
What does that mean?
August 28th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI must have said a word trolls dislike. Too bad. I’ll say it another time so you can cover it up really fast. These trolls deserve no further response and won’t get one from me.
How many of you believe there is no North American Union (NAU) in your future? Do you believe you are on the inside of power? Do you know who is behind the NAU?
If you wonder to what I’m referring, you should get off name calling, and research the facts! (I suspect you won’t be able to get documentation from our govt. to support anything whatsoever. If so, kindly share it with us here in the reality zone.)
August 28th, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by Prudence Juris — August 28, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
btw all this is o/t,
August 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI was on the Canadian gov’t web site and I got sidetracked with a big pdf article on the bird flu and man oh man it looks like if we do get hit with a big bird flu, or some other, epidemic, not only will Rummy get even richer with his stock in the bird flu vaccine company, but they’ve got it all set up where we might as well be all one big country. It was very troubling to read.
I must have said a word trolls dislike. -Prudence Juris
Nah. I didn’t even read your post from earlier. However, now that I have read your lastest piece of garbage, I assure you, nothing you said was relevant.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by margaret — August 28, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
dumba$$’s now think that there is a bird-flu conspiracy!
FU libs!!
August 28th, 2007 at 1:28 pmMy message for you is simple:
STOP INSULTING OUR TROOPS!!! STOP GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY!!!
Comment by Swifty
You are one of the looniest, chickenhawk, POS trolls to ever post.
You are nothing but a lame coward who has no honor or concept of honor or truth.
If you gave a damn about the troops, at all, you would be up in arms over the maltreatment the wounded and veterans have received from the Bush MISadministration.
keep self-felatiating, Mr Pee-Brain, hopefully you will choke yourself to death. ( unfortunately, not likely with a small a wanker cowards like you usually have )
August 28th, 2007 at 1:32 pmComment by Wayne — August 28, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
My message for you is simple:
August 28th, 2007 at 1:36 pmSTOP INSULTING OUR TROOPS!!! STOP GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY!!!
o/t again (sorry! this thread is done anyway. obviously this guy Kiley shouldn’t still be there but these guys are all smoke and mirrors and this is no surprise)
Purdence Juris – here is the link I was talking about:
http://montebello2007.gc.ca/doc/pandemic_en.pdf
It was announced on August 21st at the recent meeting that Bush attended in Canada. Not that we read or heard about it in the news of course.
It’s called the “North American Plan” and in much smaller letters below that it continues “For Avian and Pandemic Influenza”. Obviously it’s a good idea to have a plan for such an occurrence but…when you read this “plan” it sounds like they’re using the threat of bird flu to put all sorts of measures into place that quite frankly sounded scary to me in some cases (like surveillance and “social distancing measures” which in plain english means a prohibition on community gatherings etc.)
It also bothered me that the article casually refer to the 3 countries as “SPP” countries, another subject that you NEVER read about in the MSM, which stands for Security and Properity Partnership of North America.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:38 pmdumba$$’s now think that there is a bird-flu conspiracy!
FU libs!!
Comment by Swifty — August 28, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
I hope I’m wrong dude – didn’t you say you had to get back to class?
BTW “Swifty”, why does Rummy have so much money invested in bird flu vaccine? Maybe one of your teachers know.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:39 pmAnd anyway, it’s never quite that simple. I think they’re using the threat of bird flu to enhance their “co-operation” and all that that entails.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:40 pmMy message for you is simple:
STOP INSULTING OUR TROOPS!!!
Comment by Swifty the Boat (PiP)
Then you need to stop supporting Bush, who insults the Troops and Veterans in the way he treats them.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:45 pmFscking Idiot.
As the presidential debates heat up and tensions increase, the candidates need to be reminded of the critical issues that still trouble our society today. Issue such as global poverty needs to be address by our candidates to each other and to the general public. As one of the nations that has pledge to fulfill the goals of Millennium Development Project, whose goal is the elimination of world hunger and poverty, the Bush Administration has not shown any substantial action to bring this fundamental problem to a stop. According to the Borgen Project, dedicated to fighting and ending Poverty around the world, only $19 billion dollars are needed annually to stop world wide poverty, hunger and malnutrition. However, more than $340 billion dollars has been poured into this “war on terror.†And each year, our country has a military budge of $522 billion dollars. It’s time for a new leader who will be addressing an issue that affects 1.2 billion people everyday worldwide.
August 28th, 2007 at 1:47 pmwelfare with star and stripes is still welfare -stop skimming the system and retire with the last shred of dignity you may have left sir
August 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWith bush being president , did you really expect anything different.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThere is a logic to protecting Lt. Gen. Kiley: No person in the military should have to show greater competence than his/her commander-in-chief. Only a limbo dancer could crawl under that bar.
August 28th, 2007 at 3:49 pmAbsent a court martial he probably has a legal right to serve out the end of his three years in rank. Although none of us may like it because of the disgusting way US service personnel were treated (or, perhaps, maltreated), there is generally a right to retire with full benefits if a service member reaches a point two years to eighteen months from retirement. My guess is that Army lawyers advised the Department to acknowledge this and let him serve out his three years quietly.
August 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pmIt’s beyond the point of shaking one’s head in disbelief. This administration flaunts a F**k You attitude towards the folks they supposedly work for.
August 28th, 2007 at 6:25 pmIf there isn’t at least SOME kind of a revolution in our future, I’ll be amazed. The revulsion is already at hand!
Fire the bitch.
August 28th, 2007 at 6:40 pmHe has suffered enough? Are you kidding me? What about all the soldiers who thought they were going to receive the proper medical care they deserve for fighting this point-less war. Little did they know that this Army Surgeon General was just marking off the days in his calendar until September so he can retire as a fraud 3 star general. Yeah he may be one of the many scapegoat’s this Empire has used but, doesn’t mean he isn’t responsible for what he allowed to happen in Walter Reed and facilities. He should be force out as a 2 star reduced to a 1 star and then court martialed for what he’s done.
August 28th, 2007 at 6:51 pmscum is scum is scum–the story of the arrogance of some military officers is well known
August 28th, 2007 at 6:57 pmPerhaps a role will be available for him in HMS Pinafore.
August 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYou have identified the wife of Florida Repub CW “Bill” Young, not the ear-marking Young of Alaska.
August 28th, 2007 at 10:01 pmSaddened to see all the hate comments in either direction, some of you folks need to get a grip….
August 28th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe General shows neither honor or good ethics.
He displays that quality of lust for a bit better retirement income, when in fact, he should have stood to courts martial.
His treatment of our servicemen and women; the neglect shown under his command was reprehensible.
And yet, he’ll retire at the highest paygrade possible and his buddies will make certain that happens.
I guess that’s just America, especially under the administration of GWB and his mindset. But, it’s not American!
Why don’t Conservatives enlist ?
August 29th, 2007 at 6:23 amWhat in the US ARMY does a OG/GYN GYNECOLOGIST ,have to do to be aworded the BRONZE STAR MEDAL?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pm